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Speaker 1: The John Annik and Kenny Florian Podcast.

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Speaker 2: John Annik and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 3: I love him.

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Speaker 4: I can't get enough of him.

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Speaker 3: Let's hear that both tonight.

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Speaker 2: Big job, Duffy and Breaker find out.

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Speaker 3: I believe there are a couple of absolutely self involved.

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Speaker 2: You are your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 1: Nothing else to do with Long Ago this week but

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Speaker 1: vault him to the top of the program. Good to

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Speaker 1: have everybody with us live right now on YouTube. It

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Speaker 1: is Monday, September ninth. The year is twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: It is episode five hundred and eleven of the Anakin Podcast.

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Speaker 1: No Ray Long Go minute today, Ray Long Go with

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Speaker 1: us for headlines off the top of the show, Raymond

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Speaker 1: Championship Flight week for you.

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Speaker 5: It is great to see your county face.

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Speaker 3: How we doing Save me? Save me guys. Great to

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Speaker 3: see you, beautiful morning. Let's let's do.

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Speaker 6: It all right.

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Speaker 1: We are going to dive right in ken flow. You know,

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Speaker 1: Raymond doesn't want any fluff. He wants us to get

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Speaker 1: right into the mixed martial arts. So to that end,

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Speaker 1: headlines brought to you by Cuervou. Now is a good

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Speaker 1: time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila. And we

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Speaker 1: will get Raymond's thoughts of course on Sean Brady's big

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Speaker 1: victory over Gilbert Burns. But in the nature of not

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Speaker 1: burying the lead, Morob Dwallis Willie has already descended, of

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Speaker 1: course upon Las Vegas.

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Speaker 5: He has been there for some time.

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Speaker 1: I'd imagine Raymond, you are heading out there shortly to

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Speaker 1: corner the Georgian against Sean O'Malley for the undisputed UFC

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Speaker 1: Bandway title fight this week.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I'll be going out Wednesday and very very excited,

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Speaker 3: you know. Like again, it's a huge thing for Marabi's

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Speaker 3: really worked his whole life for this, and I think

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Speaker 3: it's just great. I watched a kid go from not

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Speaker 3: being able to speak English just killing it on Instagram

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Speaker 3: or social media with all his stuff and how he

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Speaker 3: interprets things, and how funny is to get in the

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Speaker 3: biggest opportunity of his life against a very very great opponent.

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Speaker 3: So it's got all the makings for huge, huge implications, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, before I get out of the way, and let

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Speaker 1: can flow chime in. When it comes to the martial arts,

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of different questions, but when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the weight cut. I know all these athletes

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Speaker 1: approach it differently, water load bathtubs. There are a lot

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Speaker 1: of different methodologies when it comes to cutting weight.

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Speaker 5: But correct me if I'm wrong. Morob handles it differently

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Speaker 5: than some others.

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Speaker 1: And there was a recent fighter meeting, perhaps before the

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Speaker 1: Henry Zudo fight, in which his chief corner Ray Long

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Speaker 1: go shut the whole fucking thing down because morab On

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Speaker 1: that Thursday was hurting for certain Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Well, pe listen. I don't get involved with the weightcuts.

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Speaker 3: I think that's a very specific avenue of the fight,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I let the experts do their thing.

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Speaker 3: But Morob has a unique way of making way. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he wasn't feeling. I could see, like when you know

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Speaker 3: get him out of there. But yeah, everybody does it

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Speaker 3: a little differently. He's listen, everything he does is hardcore,

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Speaker 3: and his weightcut and his weightcuts no different.

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Speaker 1: Kenny, the journalist in me has to get in here

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Speaker 1: and follow up there because it's unique, it's hardcore. But

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Speaker 1: seemingly you want to stop down there, Raymond and not

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Speaker 1: give us any other details when it comes to exactly

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Speaker 1: how Morob approaches the uh.

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Speaker 3: We, Honestly, I really don't know because he won't let

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Speaker 3: I told you that story last time. I call uh,

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Speaker 3: I go, algia, what are we doing for the weightcut?

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Speaker 3: He goes down and don't you remember he threw us

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Speaker 3: I don't. I don't really don't remember that. He says no,

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Speaker 3: and he goes, don't you remember he threw us out

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Speaker 3: I really forgot all about it. But after I witnessed

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Speaker 2: He likes to suffer in peace.

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Speaker 2: So I guess what else can you tell us about?

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Speaker 7: You know, they're on fight week with Morob, you know,

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Speaker 7: because again every fighter is different, is it more of

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Speaker 6: Well, what's that like?

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Speaker 3: No, not really, he's he's I'm gonna say in that regard,

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Speaker 3: h he's low maintenance, but you know him and Al Joe.

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Speaker 3: I mean, now Joe beat a point man, I guess

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Speaker 3: for you know, doing all of those things. But he's

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Speaker 3: he's Rob's gonna do what Marob's gonna do. I mean,

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Speaker 3: that's it. You know, that's he He basically trains every

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Speaker 3: he's he's just good to go. It's not you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure John Wood tightened up a couple of things,

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Speaker 3: and uh, you know there's you know, really not much

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Speaker 3: you could do. He's you kind of know what he's

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Speaker 3: gonna do, and uh, if you can stop it, fine.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like remember Billy Jack. You ever see Billy Jack?

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Speaker 3: Anybody see Billy Jack? Nobody saw that movie?

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Speaker 2: Like in the movie like the movie, yeah, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 3: When he says I'm going to take my left foot

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Speaker 3: and smack you on your right side of your face,

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Speaker 3: and there's absolutely nothing you could do about it, and

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Speaker 3: he proceeds to do it, and I think, you know,

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Speaker 3: if you could stop him, you could stop him. But

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Speaker 3: I think right now he's in a good spot and

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Speaker 3: that's all that matters.

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Speaker 2: How would you ahead?

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Speaker 1: No, just a good sir does what Cody just did

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Speaker 1: and populates the chat with Billy Jack nineteen seventy one.

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Speaker 1: Ex Green Beret hap keto? Is it hap kaido kimpl haketo?

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Speaker 1: Expert saves wildhorses from being slaughtered for dog food and

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Speaker 1: helps protect a desert freedom school for runaway Thank you

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Speaker 1: Cody for being right there, Ray, Billy Jack, nineteen seventy one.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what you want the bulk of the

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Speaker 3: Listen, I don't care what the bulk of the viewership is,

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Speaker 3: even if you're young. Go watch that movie. It's it's

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Speaker 3: actually a great movie, and I think everybody could relate

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Speaker 2: Of the early martial arts American Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You know, but Kenny, it was such a great period

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Speaker 3: of time, Danny. There's no YouTube, there's no social media,

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Speaker 3: martial arts. It was just very, very inspiring, like they

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Speaker 7: Ray is Morob taking this fight at the perfect time

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Speaker 7: in your opinion, because you know, there seemed to be

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Speaker 7: a huge mental shift when he got by you know,

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Speaker 7: the beast that is Jose Aldo. It seemed like everything

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Speaker 7: but he's fighting with a certain confidence and an experience level.

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Speaker 7: In my opinion, that seems like it's all coming together

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Speaker 2: Would you agree with that?

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Speaker 3: I agree one hundred percent with that. He's got momentum

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Speaker 3: on his side, he's got the confidence, he's he's beaten

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Speaker 3: a couple of legends, you know, and I think, I look,

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Speaker 3: he always was confident, but this, I think we saw

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Speaker 3: he's a confident guy. And I what I like too,

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Speaker 3: is I think O'Malley's kind of in the prime of

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Speaker 3: I think Morob's coming off, like again, momentum wise. I

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Speaker 3: and then you know, O'Malley has got to win over

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Speaker 3: al Joe. I think Cheeto, you know, he kind of

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Speaker 3: I think he could do that fight all day long.

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Speaker 3: So we'll see. But I think I think O'Malley's at

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Speaker 3: guy's forty years old and he was good and you know,

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Speaker 1: live on the Anakin Floran podcast Today, I am in

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Speaker 1: of blurriness. I don't know what the fuck to say

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Speaker 1: and this is ultimately what punch Morob's ticket to the UFC.

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Speaker 1: You were dressed to the nines in the locker room

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Speaker 1: after the fact, which which suggested me that you were

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Speaker 5: Or did you corner him in that fight?

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Speaker 3: One cornered him in that fight. Yeah, no, And then you.

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Speaker 1: Change that quickly before Dana came in. You had this

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Speaker 1: unbelievable sports blazer on. You look like a movie star.

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Speaker 1: Do you not recall?

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Speaker 3: Uh? I mean, I definitely changed after the fight, but

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Speaker 3: I'll wait, the whole thing went down. I was a

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Speaker 3: little apprehensive of the fight, but he thought he could

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Speaker 3: Statts right UFC and then he upset the.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh so the spin backfist and we'll get back

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Speaker 1: to your jacket and all of that stuff. But uh,

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Speaker 1: the spinning backfist. Was that something that was discussed that

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Speaker 3: Or no, no, no, But he does that. He does

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Speaker 3: I really he was. I don't know. Yeah, certain people

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Speaker 1: Knock Around Guy is the perfect moniker for him, and

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Speaker 3: All right, so make a big ron Pellegrino to point

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Speaker 3: On. Is it possible it's the camera that's doing this.

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Speaker 3: I don't feel like my teeth are that band in person.

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Speaker 2: In person, you look like a million dollars hell.

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Speaker 3: This camera sucks.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll get you in camera.

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Speaker 2: Hey, I got to talk to you real quickly if

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Speaker 2: I could.

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Speaker 1: We wish you all the best this weekend, trying to

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Speaker 1: secure another world championship and bringing the honsputed of the

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Speaker 1: UFC Bandonweight Championship in some part back to Gordon City,

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Speaker 1: New York. But let me talk about Philadelphia. Sean Brady

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Speaker 1: and his went over Lbragerino Burns over the weekend fifty

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Speaker 1: to forty five times to forty nine forty six from

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Speaker 1: the dissenting judge. Your thoughts on the now seemingly top

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Speaker 1: five welterweight contender Sean Brickhouse Brady Raymond.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, beautiful performance by a really good guy. Those guys,

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Speaker 3: you know East Coast guys. Philadelphia another small school like me,

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Speaker 3: So I always support that. You know, we were talking

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Speaker 3: about coaches. I want to make a big thing, a

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Speaker 3: big deal. But Al Joe mentioned something the other day

454
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Speaker 3: on the podcast. The gym is five thousand square feet

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Speaker 3: fifty five hundred. We're going up against billionaires with thirty

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Speaker 3: thousand square foot gyms. And that's what I love about

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Speaker 3: the Brady fight, you know. And I love Gilbert Burns,

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Speaker 3: love you know, Henry Hoof obviously, but you know they

459
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Speaker 3: got you ever see the gym that they're working with. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's the size of the whole block I'm on, and

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Speaker 3: it's big. They got everything at the disposal. So for

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Speaker 3: a guy like Sean Brady to come in out of

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Speaker 3: a gym in Philadelphia, love it. And I thought he

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Speaker 3: was absolutely spot on, perfect, took everything away and loved

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Speaker 3: the way he punched his way into the clinch toow.

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Speaker 3: He backed him up and you know, got what he wanted.

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Speaker 3: But good dudes over there wish him nothing, the best

468
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Speaker 3: piper and the rest of the crew. And look, I'm

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Speaker 3: always going to root for the guys with the small

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Speaker 3: gyms and just sticking together, neighborhood guys, you know, knock around.

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Speaker 5: Guys, Knock around guys. The theme of the program today.

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Speaker 1: If we titled our episodes, this might have been episode

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Speaker 1: five eleven, knock around guys. But that's why you like

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Speaker 1: the Annicamploran podcast, right, the little engine that could right

475
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Speaker 1: now in the category of best MMA programming against Dana

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Speaker 1: White's Contender series, right with one hundred thousand times the

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Speaker 1: budget and staff.

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Speaker 5: So there's a parallel to there.

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Speaker 3: There is. You're right, I can't believe they got that

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Speaker 3: ship show even in the talkings for podcast or whatever.

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Speaker 3: The heck? What we what do we represent?

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Speaker 1: That's a great plug for our show, Thanks Ray, Right,

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Speaker 1: all right, I think it. No, I mean, we have

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Speaker 1: six more minutes, but you.

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Speaker 5: Know we like to end on a.

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Speaker 3: Note, on a positive note.

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Speaker 5: All right, let me ask you this, Okay, one more question.

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Speaker 1: So, and Ray doesn't necessarily like this framework, but if

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Speaker 1: Morob Dwallis Willie wins this fight and becomes the undisputed

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Speaker 1: UFC Bantamway championship. He will have gone from zero to

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Speaker 1: two in the UFC to world champion with eleven straight wins.

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Speaker 5: One thing he will have done really well in this

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Speaker 5: fight as well.

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Speaker 3: Avoid avoid the counter strikes and get the takedown over

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Speaker 3: and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: So Drake is duplus c sleeps like this and if

497
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Speaker 1: you're not watching right, he just sleeps with his hands

498
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Speaker 1: up by it. You know, we talk about running backs

499
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Speaker 1: back in the day in the NFL sleeping with a

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Speaker 1: football right to not fumble it. And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I think if I'm morob right, it's like he's constantly

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Speaker 1: pushing offense right. But yeah, yeah, defensive responsibility I think

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Speaker 1: should be on the uh, on the blackboard in the

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Speaker 1: locker room.

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Speaker 3: But out of that look, he brought in good, good

506
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Speaker 3: tools spot you know, people to spat with. So hopefully

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Speaker 3: he's got the range down with that, because like again,

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Speaker 3: O'Malley does bring something unique. Right, He's got the height,

509
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Speaker 3: he's got the length, he knows how to uses footwork

510
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Speaker 3: is fantastic. So uh, it's gonna be an interesting puzzle.

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Speaker 3: But that's what makes the fight great.

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Speaker 5: All right, Well, I can't wait to give you a hug.

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Speaker 5: In a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: I'll be there tomorrow and uh wow early exciting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: more rehearsal than I think I will do for any

516
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Speaker 1: pay per view. They're two four so yeah, it's gonna

517
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Speaker 1: be a lot.

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Speaker 3: Look, I'm excited. That's the unknown too. Does does the

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Speaker 3: venue have any effect on anything? Everybody? It's new territory

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Speaker 3: for everybody.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I see myself up in the big screen. I'm

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Speaker 3: just in ore of how I look, and I just

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Speaker 3: full of pot.

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Speaker 5: I don't know well as Craig Bor. Sorry, my boss

526
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Speaker 5: was a good man through some.

527
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Speaker 1: Things, a great man, the AFROBA good Man, that guy.

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Speaker 1: He was sort of talking about Rogan in d C

529
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Speaker 1: and we were talking collectively about them maybe seeing some

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Speaker 1: of these visuals for the first time and it's going

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Speaker 1: to effectively blow their mind.

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Speaker 6: Now.

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Speaker 1: I was hoping to maybe not go into sphere until

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Speaker 1: Saturday night, but I'm gonna be there for rehearsal. I

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Speaker 1: think at least Thursday and all day Friday. It's a

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Speaker 1: massive undertaking. Dana White's said, I think the budget initially

537
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Speaker 1: was going to be four times a USC pay per view,

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Speaker 1: which would be maybe eight or nine million, And now

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Speaker 1: it's already north of twenty million dollars spent, and part

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Speaker 1: of that, I can assure you is to make sure

541
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Speaker 1: that for the audience at home this delivers because much

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Speaker 1: has been made of the fight card, and the last

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Speaker 1: three fights are as good as it could possibly be.

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Speaker 1: But maybe people were expecting, you know, UFC three hundred

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Speaker 1: type stuff one through ten, and I think the focus

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Speaker 1: maybe is on some other things and not necessarily, you know,

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Speaker 1: every single matchup being you know, the highest profile fighters

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Speaker 1: in the world.

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Speaker 5: But we're going to bring it like you've never seen before.

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Speaker 5: Of that, I can assure you.

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Speaker 3: So very exciting, very very exciting.

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Speaker 1: All right, Raymond, Well we'll see in a couple of days.

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Speaker 1: Have a great day in a better evening any parting

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Speaker 1: shop before we let you fly. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: it's just the lighting. Your teeth are fine. Don't get

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Speaker 1: a complex obviously.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I don't even want to open my mouth

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Speaker 3: to anybody.

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Speaker 6: Cool.

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Speaker 5: I'm like this, Hey, we love you, we'll see us soon.

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Speaker 3: Love you guys. I'll talk to cool. You want to

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Speaker 3: get Let's go right, let's.

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Speaker 5: Go Maro menally when I hit the fight capital of

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Speaker 5: the world. And don't worry.

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Speaker 1: We'll get Kempflo's thoughts on Sean Brady at some point

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Speaker 1: in the not too distant future. Today's Antaki Floring podcast

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Speaker 1: is presented by Draft Kings. Stay tuned because you hear

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Speaker 1: more about DraftKings and all this has to offer throughout

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Speaker 1: the show.

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Speaker 5: DraftKings.

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Speaker 1: The Crown is yours all right now with us on

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Speaker 1: the guest line. And I knew this man would be here.

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Speaker 5: Right on the screws.

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Speaker 1: He's actually early a true mixed martial artist, mixed martial

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Speaker 1: arts pioneer, still making mature.

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Speaker 5: Contributions to the sport that he so loves.

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Speaker 1: Former on Disputed Strikeforce lightweight champion, commentator analyst podcast host

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Speaker 1: Josh the Punk Thompson is with us. A love Josh,

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Speaker 1: appreciate a few minutes today, brother, Great to see your

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Speaker 1: handsome face.

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Speaker 2: How we doing, Oh man, it's a pleasure to beyond man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks guys. Man, Kenny, miss your man, haven't talked ten years,

583
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Speaker 2: but I've been thinking about you a lot lately, man,

584
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 2: just figuring out how you've been, what you've been up to.

585
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 2: And it's funny because as the older guy start to

586
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: trickle out like ourselves, we trickled out. We start seeing like, okay,

587
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 2: who's still there, who's not there, and and then you

588
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:02,320
Speaker 2: kind of wonder what they're doing, how they're doing, what's

589
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,840
Speaker 2: been going on. And so, you know, I reached out

590
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Speaker 2: to you a couple of times on some gigs that

591
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 2: people were asking about and I was like, hey man,

592
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Speaker 2: let me get you in contact with Ken Flow. And

593
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Speaker 2: I've reached out to you a couple of times. I

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Speaker 2: don't know how those all worked out because I didn't

595
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Speaker 2: follow up, but you know, hey, I just I was

596
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Speaker 2: just thinking about you, and we had ANAK on the

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Speaker 2: other day, and I know we want to get you

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Speaker 2: on too. That's another conversation, you know, But hey man,

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Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to getting some chats with you guys here. Awesome.

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Speaker 1: All right, So there's so much to peel back, and

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Speaker 1: I'm going to go back in time a little bit

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Speaker 1: if I could, and Kem Flow can take this in

603
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Speaker 1: any direction he wants. But your pro Mma debut was

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Speaker 1: in two thousand and one, UFC debut two years later,

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Speaker 1: you FC forty four and two thousand and three, so

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you get asked this a lot. But for

607
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Speaker 1: my own personal curiosity, I'm I'm curious to know what

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Speaker 1: your expectations were competitively as an athlete in terms of

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Speaker 1: maybe how far you could take it, and then also monetarily,

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Speaker 1: I'd imagine that was a part of it too, how

611
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Speaker 1: much money maybe you thought you could make with this

612
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Speaker 1: particular endeavor at that point in time.

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Speaker 2: You know, I guess I don't know about Kenny, But

614
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,360
Speaker 2: for myself, I had my first fight in ninety seven

615
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Speaker 2: and so, and I paid twenty five bucks to fight.

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Speaker 2: It was probably no more than like a smoker, is

617
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Speaker 2: what we would say. Right. We didn't wear head gear.

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Speaker 2: We just had the shin guards on. We had the

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Speaker 2: MMA cloves on, no head gear. They didn't even care

620
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Speaker 2: if we wore mouthpieces, you know. And then and then

621
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Speaker 2: the second one, I actually got paid. So it's just

622
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Speaker 2: funny because I don't know what do you consider a

623
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Speaker 2: pro back then, I mean, I got paid one hundred

624
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Speaker 2: fifty bucks. Then I got paid my next fight three hundred.

625
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Speaker 2: Then I got paid three hundred, three hundred for a while,

626
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Speaker 2: and then five hundred came and I felt like I

627
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Speaker 2: was rich man. I was a broke college kid, you know,

628
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Speaker 2: trying to basically fight on the weekends to make some money.

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Speaker 2: So is that really when when I turned pro? Is

630
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Speaker 2: it because the websites went around to and cameras and

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Speaker 2: phones went around then, Like I mean, I had I

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Speaker 2: had probably close to ten fights, maybe a little bit more.

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Speaker 2: I'd say closer to fourteen fights before the Shirt Dogs

634
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Speaker 2: and all the other MMA websites were around really covering

635
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Speaker 2: the sport. I mean, when guys would call and say, hey,

636
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Speaker 2: I heard you guys got a fifty five pounder. I

637
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Speaker 2: think his name is Josh. You know, they call the gym.

638
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Speaker 2: They wouldn't call their cell phones. They called the gym

639
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Speaker 2: and they'd say, hey, do you have guys that can

640
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Speaker 2: make it? You know, we're four hours away, or we're

641
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Speaker 2: in Seattle, or we're in Oregon, we're in Montana, can

642
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Speaker 2: you guys drive here? Because I was living in Quartoline

643
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Speaker 2: at the time, and sure enough, we'd all drive, you know.

644
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Speaker 2: And that's how that's how I became good friends with

645
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Speaker 2: like Dennis Holman, Benji Radic Rest in Peace and you know,

646
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Speaker 2: Misha Tate and all of them, like we are all

647
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Speaker 2: kind of in the same kind of atmosphere that we

648
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Speaker 2: all traveled to the same venues and stuff. So I

649
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Speaker 2: guess I could say, like my real MMA pro debut

650
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Speaker 2: was then, But I mean I had probably close to

651
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Speaker 2: ten to fourteen fights before then that I can't keep

652
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: track of, because then I was making a hundred frety bucks.

653
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: That was a lot of money to me atick. That

654
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 2: was a lot of money to this poor kid, so

655
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 2: you know, and then it jumped to three hundred, and

656
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,840
Speaker 2: it was it was great in terms of expectations. You know,

657
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: I didn't really have any at the time. I was

658
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 2: literally living fight to fight, paycheck to paycheck. That's really

659
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,400
Speaker 2: what I was doing. I had, you know, my uh,

660
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 2: you know, my dad worked so much. I lived with

661
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 2: my dad. My mom lived on the East Coast in Jersey.

662
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: My brother and sister lived over there with with her,

663
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: and my dad worked so much so I could, you know,

664
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 2: play sports and travel for wrestling tournaments and soccer tournaments

665
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 2: and so he worked so much. If the game wasn't

666
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:19,920
Speaker 2: on a Sunday, man, he couldn't make it because he

667
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: was working. So when I had time off from wrestling

668
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,200
Speaker 2: and soccerman, I was fighting as many times as I

669
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 2: could in college just so I can make some money.

670
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 6: I was.

671
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: I was making like pretty much three hundred dollars as

672
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,720
Speaker 2: a as a prep cook and a dishwasher and a

673
00:31:33,800 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 2: host and everything at restaurants. And I was like, why

674
00:31:36,080 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 2: I can make three hundred dollars a weekend. So I

675
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,280
Speaker 2: was fighting every weekend for three hundred bucks, you know.

676
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 2: I mean they said, hey, I can't afford that. I'm like,

677
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 2: what could you? What can you afford? Like because because

678
00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: I'm just being honest, And you never leave any money

679
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 2: on the table, right like if you if you don't

680
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: have the money, like, hey, whatever you can afford, but

681
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 2: you got to pay me when I get there, because

682
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to fight. And so I had I had

683
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,640
Speaker 2: deals with a lot of local promotions like you call me,

684
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 2: you know, three hundreds my my base, you know. But

685
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,160
Speaker 2: if we're having a problem here, like hey, I'll take

686
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: two fifty if you need. So I was doing whatever

687
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: I could to make the money. That's wild, man.

688
00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got paid for my first fight. It's like

689
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 7: technical must have been nice. It was like it was

690
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 7: technically an amateur fight.

691
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 3: It's not.

692
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: It doesn't count on my pro record somehow, but uh,

693
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 2: I don't want to brag.

694
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 7: I was like Scrooge McDuff, dude, I made a thousand

695
00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 7: dollars for my first fight. So I was just killing

696
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 7: the game at a thousand dollars my first fight, rich

697
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 7: as hell.

698
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, so do so what brought you to AKA?

699
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 7: So how'd you go from you know, go and fight

700
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 7: to fight to then going out to one of the

701
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 7: best gyms in the world at the time.

702
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:36,600
Speaker 2: You know, It's funny. I was born and raised in

703
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: San Jose, Okay, and uh I moved away with my

704
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:42,520
Speaker 2: parents divorced, and uh, I wasn't. I wasn't. It just

705
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 2: wasn't a good fit for me in San Jose anymore.

706
00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 4: At the time.

707
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 2: It was the gang's a lot of violence, crips and

708
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: bloods were real heavy in that area. I grew up

709
00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,840
Speaker 2: on the east side of San Jose and uh my,

710
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: it just was time, you know, my mom and I

711
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: weren't receive nine to I was, you know, I was

712
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 2: eleven twelve years old at the time, going hey, man,

713
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 2: I want to live with my dad. So it just

714
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: kind of worked out that way. My dad then shortly

715
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 2: after his father had moved up to Quarterlane to retire,

716
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: and he had passed shortly after he had moved there,

717
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: and his uh, his mother was up there by herself

718
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 2: and she didn't want to move back to California. So

719
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: my dad's like, how do you feel out moving? I'm like,

720
00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,720
Speaker 2: let's go, you know I was. I was a flop

721
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 2: out of the seat of my pants kind of guy,

722
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 2: you know, just like, let's wherever you want to go, Pops,

723
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 2: I'm with you, man, We ride or die together. So

724
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: it was a great It was a great Uh, it's

725
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 2: a great experience, man. And I got to be honest,

726
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,920
Speaker 2: it was something completely changed my life. You know, I

727
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 2: live in Texas now. I went back to California to training. AKA,

728
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 2: you know, spend a lot of time there obviously after

729
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,280
Speaker 2: I moved from Idaho to California. But you know, getting

730
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 2: my kids out here, be having a relationship out here, developing,

731
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 2: like understanding what it's like to have kids come knock

732
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 2: on the door. I had that in Idaho. You know,

733
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:46,959
Speaker 2: through high school, I had people friends, you know, Hey,

734
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,400
Speaker 2: let's go, let's go camping. Let's on the weekends, let's

735
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 2: go camping, Let's go bonfire. Let's go let's go put

736
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 2: a bonfire out in the woods and hang out by

737
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,479
Speaker 2: the lake and fish, you know, in the morning at

738
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,720
Speaker 2: six am. I grew up that way, and it was

739
00:33:58,800 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: something I want to make sure that like my kids

740
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,239
Speaker 2: have here. So it's a it's been a blessing man,

741
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: and I just I feel like when I when I

742
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: got done with high school, when I was wrestling in college,

743
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 2: and I like, I was kind of having to make

744
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,239
Speaker 2: that decision. I'm making five hundred dollars a weekend, I'm

745
00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: fighting twice a week. I'm making a thousand dollars. I

746
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 2: thought it was a lot of money, but I didn't

747
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: spend a lot, you know, I didn't eat out. I

748
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 2: didn't do that because I couldn't afford it. But I

749
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:21,520
Speaker 2: had just I was like, you know, what can I

750
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:23,560
Speaker 2: do now? I was kind of beaten. I was winning

751
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: everyone in the in the circuit that was in the

752
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:29,600
Speaker 2: in Seattle, in Oregon, in Montana, you know Utah. We

753
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,400
Speaker 2: kind of fought, you know, all around those areas we

754
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,200
Speaker 2: could drive to because that's the only way we could

755
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 2: get there. We'd always get going a group of like

756
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 2: four or five of our guys, Trevor Pringley being my

757
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: best friend. Him and I just wrestled in college together

758
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 2: and then we both started training and fighting. And as

759
00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 2: he went to go wrestle, uh, in Missouri Valley. In

760
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 2: Missouri Valley, I went to California and I started training

761
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: at AKA and went back down there to basically go

762
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 2: to college first, and then I started training with Frank

763
00:34:54,719 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 2: Shamrock at AKA and I met Bob Cook, who then

764
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 2: became my manager. And after about a year and a half,

765
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 2: I was like, I can't afford to live here anymore.

766
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: I had to leave because at the time, Ultimate Athlete

767
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,520
Speaker 2: was around, King of the Cage was around, the Gladiator

768
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 2: Challenge was around, w C was around. But they couldn't

769
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 2: they couldn't pay me anymore, like five hundred seven fifty,

770
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 2: you know, in case, I got offered a thousand. But

771
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 2: it was against guys like Antonio McKee. And I'm like, okay,

772
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: well I'm not fighting Antonio because I know how good

773
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,719
Speaker 2: Antonio is. That's one two is once you lose to him,

774
00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 2: you never getting into the UFC. So everyone knew that, like,

775
00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 2: you fight Antonio McKie, you're not gonna you're gonna get

776
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 2: taken down. You're gonna get held down. And no disrespect

777
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 2: to Antonio, but guy could fight the way. He could

778
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 2: fight really good, really well. But that was his style.

779
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 2: And I was like look, I'm not fighting that guy

780
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 2: and taking my chances away from me getting to the UFC.

781
00:35:44,160 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: So everyone else though I had the open option was

782
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 2: to fight, but they just couldn't pay enough, so I

783
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: had to move back to Idaho. I got in some

784
00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:54,600
Speaker 2: big I got in some serious trouble out there, and

785
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 2: I was looking in a long time in in in

786
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 2: prison basically, and they had I had already signed with

787
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: the UFC, and they were like, hey, you know you

788
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: need to you need to come back down here. So

789
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: Bob Cook called me up because look, I need to

790
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,359
Speaker 2: get you back down here. So I'd gotten a lot

791
00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:12,799
Speaker 2: of trouble and I was like, look, I came back

792
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 2: down and just started training AK full time, didn't get

793
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: another job, and just was training the full time. And

794
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 2: as you know, I got in the I was back

795
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 2: in the UFC, or offered the UFC fights and just

796
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: they hit the ground running. Man did the best I could.

797
00:36:26,520 --> 00:36:31,040
Speaker 7: Josh in your prime, like when you're in peak UFC mode, right,

798
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 7: do you see a huge technical difference between the fighting

799
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 7: that you were experiencing and that you had compared to

800
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 7: what you see now in twenty twenty four? Is there

801
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 7: a huge difference in your opinion, Have we evolved that

802
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 7: much on a technical level?

803
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 3: Oh?

804
00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely. That's like trying to compare, like, you know,

805
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: the Super Bowl is one, two and three compared to now,

806
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 2: and these guys are gunsling and now getting the ball

807
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 2: down the field. I mean, these guys are so much

808
00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 2: more athletic. It's just in saying and no disrespect to

809
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 2: my myself and obviously to you, Kenny, because you're in

810
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 2: the kind of that same era. Let's not pretend that

811
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: you're young. Okay, So it's like the two of us,

812
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:10,919
Speaker 2: I don't know what you see? What do you see?

813
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 2: I mean, I see like I've trained with Abib, I've

814
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 2: trained with Islam, I've trained with Umar and a Marga

815
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 2: Matov and and Usman, and those guys they're just there athleticism,

816
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: They're relentless to stay in shape and.

817
00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 6: Just be well.

818
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 7: My question is more on a technical level. I think

819
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 7: there's way better athletes, There's no question about that. But

820
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:32,680
Speaker 7: on a technical level is when we're talking about like

821
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,480
Speaker 7: technique for technique, are the guys significantly better?

822
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:41,719
Speaker 2: Are we seeing different stuff than we did back then?

823
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:42,080
Speaker 6: You think?

824
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 3: I do believe.

825
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 2: I do believe that as well. There's just you know,

826
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:49,720
Speaker 2: look at the figure fouring of the legs, you know, controlling.

827
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 2: I was one of the first guys that did that,

828
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 2: you know. And then Habib I don't want to take

829
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 2: like full credit, but like he just mastered it. Man,

830
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 2: Like he was. I was doing that, you know in

831
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,360
Speaker 2: the early Strikeforce days of just gathering the legs together

832
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 2: and you know, and just controlling. But man, this guy

833
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 2: took it to a whole other level. It's just we

834
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 2: may do something really well, we may do it right,

835
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:10,680
Speaker 2: but doesn't mean that we're doing it the best. And

836
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 2: these guys are just taking it to the next level.

837
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:14,960
Speaker 2: Hebi being the guy with the figure four and just

838
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: to control the heavy hit pressure. His ability to control

839
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,640
Speaker 2: people is phenomenal, you know. And then you got the

840
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: other fighters. You know, you take Usman who just defended

841
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 2: his Belt Tour title the other night, Umar who just

842
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 2: beat Corey Sandhagen. Those two guys didn't come from a

843
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: real wrestling background. They just started wrestling just I mean,

844
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 2: they've wrestled their whole life, but they weren't at the

845
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 2: level of saying like a Habib or an Islam. They

846
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 2: came from a taekwondo style background. More of that kickboxing style.

847
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,680
Speaker 2: You saw it when they first came into the sport,

848
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: and how much more they've evolved since then. And now

849
00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: the night the fight he had the other night against

850
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:52,320
Speaker 2: Alexander Shavley, who I have trained with and sparred with

851
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: and wrestled with. That guy is phenomenal as well. And

852
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:58,319
Speaker 2: to see the way that those two guys handled each

853
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 2: other in the cage just I'm gonna fight so technical.

854
00:39:02,640 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 2: The striking was on point, the kickboxing was on point,

855
00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: the way that Usman was changing levels threatening the takedown.

856
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 2: I mean it just a young age at twenty seven

857
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: years old is what Usman is. He looked outstanding and

858
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: sharply did everything to avoid every single takedown. You know,

859
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 2: I think he got taken down once or twice, but

860
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 2: he was able to pop right back up to his feet.

861
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: These guys are at a different level right now, Ken

862
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 2: And it's uh and I'm okay with saying that. I

863
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 2: don't know, is it something that kind of gets see

864
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 2: it like, Hey, I was good this. What do you

865
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 2: think about it?

866
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 6: Or what is it? Oh?

867
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:40,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, No, I think there's significantly better technical fighters than

868
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,879
Speaker 7: there were back then. The information is so much better,

869
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 7: right I mean, the sports evolved, They've learned from all

870
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,400
Speaker 7: of our dumb mistakes over the years, and they're much

871
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 7: better as a result.

872
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:50,880
Speaker 2: In the fights are much better result.

873
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:53,840
Speaker 7: I mean, to get to the championship belt now is

874
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 7: significantly harder than it was when I was doing it.

875
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 2: No quick absolutely, But what you just said better, But

876
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,960
Speaker 2: that's just a matter of of opinion. What is your

877
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 2: idea of a better fight, Because when I look at

878
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: fights like Yuri Petroska and Glover, that was a phenomenal fight,

879
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,320
Speaker 2: but it was just littered with mistakes, which is what

880
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,160
Speaker 2: made it such a great fight, Just mistake after a

881
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 2: mistake because they were exhausted, they were tired. But it

882
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:17,600
Speaker 2: was probably one of the best fights I've ever seen,

883
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 2: especially in a championship fight. But it was, like I said,

884
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: literal with mistakes of oh I lost position because I

885
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 2: got carried away with striking. It wasn't technically sound. So

886
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: that's I guess where I'm going is what is considered

887
00:40:29,160 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 2: to be better. Like I feel like the best fights

888
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 2: I've ever seen have just been mistake after mistake but

889
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: ends up being just a great fight. But then I

890
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 2: go and I take Yo Wanna Young j Check and

891
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:43,719
Speaker 2: Whaley probably one of the most technical, one of the

892
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,400
Speaker 2: best fights I've seen, not a lot of mistakes, just

893
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 2: the ability for them to just be better at something

894
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: or catching on to what the what they were doing

895
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 2: inside the cage. Yohanna was overreaching and Whale was able

896
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 2: to start striking and landing clean shot. It was just

897
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 2: and then as the as she started slowing down, you

898
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 2: want to just dug deep and was able to put

899
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 2: it more on her and just utilizing her striking, her

900
00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 2: speed and your reach and her rain. I mean, that

901
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 2: was one of the most technical fights I've ever seen

902
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:12,919
Speaker 2: that can be considered a better fight.

903
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh Thompson with us here live on the anakinp

904
00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: Flooring podcast at the Real Punk on social media. So,

905
00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: when you were in your prime year so to speak,

906
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: two thousand and six to twenty ten or so, win

907
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 1: in the world title, Kenny and I were launching a

908
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 1: show and covering your fights for ESPN MMA Live, and

909
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,839
Speaker 1: Kenny at that time, as you know, was also one

910
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: of the best lightweights in the world. So we launched

911
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 1: that show in April of two thousand and eight, and

912
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: then in June of that year, you beat Gilbert Melendez

913
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: to win the Strikeforce title, so we were covering the

914
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:42,839
Speaker 1: hell out of your career at that point in time.

915
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 1: I'm curious, Josh, if you ever felt like Kenny was

916
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: going to show up in your bracket at any point

917
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,839
Speaker 1: in time, given that you guys, at least for a time,

918
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 1: were two of the best lightweights.

919
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 6: In the world.

920
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 2: Kenny almost had me show up in his bracket right

921
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: after I had won the title. I know there was

922
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:01,320
Speaker 2: some conversation, and I think between the UFC and I

923
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,440
Speaker 2: because I was coming up on a contract negotiation period,

924
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,320
Speaker 2: and uh, we just couldn't. I couldn't get it with

925
00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:10,840
Speaker 2: Cocher seeing eye to eye on things, and and you know,

926
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,399
Speaker 2: I definitely didn't want to leave. I loved the fact

927
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: that Coker was in San Jose. I wanted to stay

928
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: with Strikeforce. I felt like I was one obviously one

929
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 2: of the first four guys he ever signed. It was

930
00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 2: Frank Shamrock, Hung Lea, gild Malennez, and myself. We were

931
00:42:22,719 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: the first four guys he signed. He sat us at

932
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 2: the table and said, hey, we want to sign you.

933
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 2: You know, you four and eventually you four are gonna

934
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:30,319
Speaker 2: or not you four, but you and Gil are going

935
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,239
Speaker 2: to fight, and Kung and Frank are going to fight,

936
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 2: and that was the whole game plan when we first started,

937
00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,759
Speaker 2: you know, and then to see what happened after that.

938
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:41,600
Speaker 2: But ah, there was some there was some some chances

939
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 2: that I was gonna end up going to the back

940
00:42:43,200 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 2: to the UFC, and it just it ended up coming

941
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 2: out where I actually did pretty well financially with signing

942
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: with Strikeforce. And I had already obviously with Josh Costchick,

943
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 2: Mike Swick, uh, you know, and John Fitch and those guys,

944
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 2: Bobby you know, and Bobby Southworth and those guys all

945
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,400
Speaker 2: being in the UFCL at the time, I kind of

946
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,480
Speaker 2: knew what the structure of their contracts were and a

947
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,520
Speaker 2: lot of it at the time was based on the

948
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: back room bonuses, and I didn't want to rely on

949
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 2: backroom bonuses to take care of myself, and so I

950
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 2: know it was good money. It wasn't the best money

951
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: that we had talked about, but it was. It was

952
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 2: one of those things where I knew there was money

953
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:21,879
Speaker 2: to be to meet in both organizations. I just chose

954
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 2: to stay because I knew there was more fights in

955
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:27,279
Speaker 2: San Jose and I enjoyed fighting at home. It really did.

956
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,560
Speaker 2: After my first loss there against Claig Guida, I really

957
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: started finding my stride and waking up in my own

958
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: bed and showing up at the venue and just filling

959
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,400
Speaker 2: feeling really good about fighting in the sap arena.

960
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,839
Speaker 1: All right, well, let's talk about San Jose and stay

961
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:43,680
Speaker 1: on that. I want to go back to your four

962
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:45,839
Speaker 1: to twenty win over Nathan Ds. So if you don't

963
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 1: know the story, April twentieth, twenty thirteen, you're beginning your

964
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:53,440
Speaker 1: second UFC stint, and you do so with about as

965
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: many style points as you can produce. I mean, I

966
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: think seeing your body after the wind sort of flail

967
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: around the octagon in Victor Re celebration is a visual

968
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: that has been seen by me myriad times, that has been.

969
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 5: Repurposed a lot. So I don't know what the best

970
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:08,400
Speaker 5: night of your career was.

971
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 1: I'd imagine it's getting belted with a world championship at

972
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,760
Speaker 1: that night April twenty, twenty thirteen, returning to the UFC

973
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: had to be right up there in pretty damn special.

974
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is it was one of the

975
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,040
Speaker 2: more special moments in my career. Not my top moment,

976
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 2: not even winning the title was my top moment for me.

977
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 2: One of my top moments in the in ever was

978
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,920
Speaker 2: the Hermes Francas fight because I always want to know

979
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: if I was a quitter. I wanted to know if

980
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:33,520
Speaker 2: I was just a good fighter when I was the

981
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 2: hammer or not the nail, you know what I mean? Like,

982
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 2: I wanted to know if I could take the damage

983
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: and come back and try to win. So the Hermes

984
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,800
Speaker 2: fight was one of and the Tony Ferguson fight is

985
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: even at an old age, I was like, Hey, is

986
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 2: this who I am?

987
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 8: Like?

988
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 2: Do you still have that dog in you? Can you

989
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: fight through it? I got into fighting because I loved it,

990
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 2: the passion of it all, and just say who wins?

991
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 2: Who's the better man that night? Well, I mean I

992
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 2: was the better man that night against Hermes, but he

993
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 2: dropped me in the third and I had to come

994
00:44:58,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 2: back with Tony. I tried to come back in the third.

995
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 2: It just it wasn't my night, you know. And to

996
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 2: be like, you asked me a question on our show

997
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 2: when you came on, and I said, look, bottom line

998
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 2: is he's the guy man, He's the guy that I

999
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:11,759
Speaker 2: don't want to take anything away from him. He's a stud.

1000
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:13,799
Speaker 2: He took it. He beat me that night. I can't

1001
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: make any changes. John and I were talking about it

1002
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: as well. He's an amazing fighter. But yeah, I just

1003
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: I think in terms of San Jose four to twenty

1004
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 2: Nate Dias. For me, the most exciting part of that

1005
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:29,240
Speaker 2: night was the fact that forever, every time he lights

1006
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:31,319
Speaker 2: a blunt on four to twenty, he'll have to think

1007
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:31,719
Speaker 2: about me.

1008
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 6: That's it.

1009
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: That's the only thing that I really thought about on

1010
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:37,880
Speaker 2: that that night. I was like, it was his supposed

1011
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 2: to be his night. Everyone kept saying, oh, for sure,

1012
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 2: he's gonna beat you, And I didn't even think about

1013
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,200
Speaker 2: the fact that he had never been like finished by

1014
00:45:45,239 --> 00:45:47,120
Speaker 2: strikes or any of that stuff. I didn't think about

1015
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,239
Speaker 2: any of that. That didn't come to my mind the

1016
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:51,759
Speaker 2: whole night. I was just thinking every time on four

1017
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,240
Speaker 2: to twenty when it rolls around, when that date rolls around,

1018
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: okay and he goes to Spark one, he'll be like, man,

1019
00:45:57,080 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: this is the night I lost to Josh.

1020
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 5: That's a funny way to look at it.

1021
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,919
Speaker 1: So in terms of quitting on yourself, and I guess

1022
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: for me retrospectively as an athlete, I feel like I

1023
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: probably did have that quitter in me as a high

1024
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: school basketball player, and I'm not afraid to admit it.

1025
00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 1: Sean Brady not afraid to admit to the world that

1026
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 1: he quit on himself in the Balah Muhammad fight after

1027
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,560
Speaker 1: he beat Gilbert Burns this weekend, And I know he

1028
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: has admitted to as much in the past, but it

1029
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: just made me thinking because you mentioned that. And I

1030
00:46:28,680 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 1: don't know if in college, when you're fighting for two

1031
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty three hundred dollars, if you knew then

1032
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: you didn't.

1033
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 5: Have that quitter.

1034
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 1: But is it okay right to have the experience that

1035
00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: Sean Brady did admitting that maybe you did quit on

1036
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 1: yourself in that moment and still maybe not be a

1037
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: quitter moving forward.

1038
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,399
Speaker 2: Are you trying to compare me and Sean in terms

1039
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 2: of what I thought I wasn't a quitter in him?

1040
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,279
Speaker 1: Or is it just never had the quitter in there

1041
00:46:53,320 --> 00:46:56,120
Speaker 1: and he's acknowledging that he quit on himself in what

1042
00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: at the time was the biggest fight of his career.

1043
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:00,400
Speaker 2: I really believe that you can beat the qui out

1044
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 2: of yourself. I really believe that. And what I mean

1045
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: by that is not just by taking more damage. I

1046
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 2: don't think that way at all. I think by if

1047
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 2: you train and prepare every single day, you don't have

1048
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,560
Speaker 2: to worry about being a quitter because you'll pretty much

1049
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: always be the hammer. And that's that's what it came

1050
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:17,839
Speaker 2: down to. Is like for me physically, I always want

1051
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 2: to know when I got tired, if I would quit

1052
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: and I was taking damage, I would quit. I don't

1053
00:47:22,080 --> 00:47:25,280
Speaker 2: know what Seawn's circumstances were on the Balah Mohammed situation,

1054
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 2: how he was coming into camp, if he was injured

1055
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,879
Speaker 2: coming into the fight, if it just wasn't his night.

1056
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 2: You know how many times I've heard fighters and myself too,

1057
00:47:32,120 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: show up and go, man, you wake up and you know,

1058
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 2: just oh my ankle hurts, what's going on? I slept wrong?

1059
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 2: And then you show up to the venue. It just

1060
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,400
Speaker 2: doesn't feel the same. And you get out there and

1061
00:47:41,440 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 2: you just feel like blah, the warm up is blah,

1062
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 2: everything is. You know, you didn't eat well, whatever it was.

1063
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:49,320
Speaker 2: There's just reasons you can give yourself, you know, to

1064
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 2: give up on yourself. But the bottom line is, look

1065
00:47:53,160 --> 00:47:56,359
Speaker 2: Sean having a conversation with himself in the mirror and saying, hey,

1066
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,120
Speaker 2: you know you're better than this. That's the first step

1067
00:47:59,160 --> 00:48:01,440
Speaker 2: in the right direction. And we've had Sean on our podcast,

1068
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: Our Way and In, and he is an outstanding human being,

1069
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 2: one of my probably all time favors to actually sit

1070
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 2: down and have a conversation with. And the reason why

1071
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 2: we got him on our show was he called me

1072
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 2: out one day and was like, hey, cause, I said, hey,

1073
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: your cardio looks a little suspectius. What are you talking about.

1074
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,520
Speaker 2: I'm one of the most in shape fighters ever, you know.

1075
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:19,880
Speaker 2: And then he had the ball all fight and I

1076
00:48:19,960 --> 00:48:21,759
Speaker 2: was like, you looked a little tired and so but

1077
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: he made those adjustments and that's really what it comes

1078
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,759
Speaker 2: down to. I've learned so much more. And I know

1079
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 2: it's cliche to say this, I've learned so much more

1080
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: from my losses. What did you do that was wrong?

1081
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: The Clay Guido fight? You know, I met him, I

1082
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 2: met him, but I talked to him recently. I say

1083
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 2: recently about two years ago, because that was the last

1084
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,000
Speaker 2: time we were face to face and I said, you

1085
00:48:42,040 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 2: know what, man, I owe you a lot, and he's like,

1086
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 2: what do you mean. He's like, you know, I thought

1087
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: you hated me. I was like, yeah, I did kind

1088
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 2: of hate you for a bit because you had you

1089
00:48:48,719 --> 00:48:50,800
Speaker 2: had hair gel in your hair and you were slippery,

1090
00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:52,759
Speaker 2: and it's pissed me off because I felt like you

1091
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: were cheating on purpose. And he's like, I know, I

1092
00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: just always had, you know. I was like, yea, you

1093
00:48:57,239 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 2: don't got to explain, man, Okay, you know it's just

1094
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,120
Speaker 2: but he is. I owed him a lot because he

1095
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 2: let me know that I couldn't take anyone for granted.

1096
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: I couldn't take anybody in my conditioning, my cardio. I

1097
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,919
Speaker 2: remember in that camp by going, I gotta do thirty

1098
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 2: minutes today. No, no, no, you still got to do

1099
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 2: the forty five. Yeah, you know, I don't got to

1100
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 2: do sprints that day. It's Saturday. I'm gonna rest today

1101
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:17,920
Speaker 2: and tomorrow, and no, no, you got to do it

1102
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 2: all I had to think of because I made my

1103
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 2: title run after that loss, and it was because of him,

1104
00:49:22,080 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: because I didn't like losing to someone who I didn't

1105
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 2: feel was on my level. And I learned a lot

1106
00:49:26,560 --> 00:49:28,799
Speaker 2: from those and so Sean's learned a lot, I think

1107
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: from that fight with Belaw and now the fact that

1108
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 2: Belaw is the champion at walter Way and and now,

1109
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:36,399
Speaker 2: got to be honest, made it look easy. It lets

1110
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,880
Speaker 2: Sean know like, hey, it could have been me, but

1111
00:49:39,080 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 2: I didn't do whatever it was, or I had a

1112
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 2: bad night, whatever it is.

1113
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:43,440
Speaker 6: But that quit. Now.

1114
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be there anymore for it,

1115
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 2: and he can he can trade it out of him

1116
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 2: if he needs to.

1117
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that's well put and still a

1118
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:52,680
Speaker 1: lesson to be learned from this fight against Gilbert Burns

1119
00:49:52,719 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: because there's levels still that he can get to cardiovestrily,

1120
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: he said on a hot mic after this fight. You know,

1121
00:49:57,760 --> 00:50:00,120
Speaker 1: five rounds in here different than in the gym. And

1122
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: if he was rating his own cardio at the end

1123
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: of this fight and wants it to be a ten,

1124
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it was an eight. All right, Before

1125
00:50:06,560 --> 00:50:07,759
Speaker 1: we let you go, I just want to ask you,

1126
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:11,640
Speaker 1: I'd imagine overall level of satisfaction with your career, Josh,

1127
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 1: is pretty high right as I.

1128
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: Go through it.

1129
00:50:14,040 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 1: You know, A third and final meeting with Gilbert Melendez

1130
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: May of twenty twelve, on the wrong side of a

1131
00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,359
Speaker 1: split decision. There there was the Benson Henderson fight. Many

1132
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,400
Speaker 1: people thought you won that fight. You were supposed to

1133
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: fight Anthony Pettison, a matchup that you probably loved, and

1134
00:50:26,520 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 1: what was going to be overall?

1135
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 5: I mean, you got the major.

1136
00:50:30,920 --> 00:50:33,960
Speaker 1: World championship, You're more handsome than any other man in

1137
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,799
Speaker 1: this room, you have commentating gigs. I'd imagine you're at

1138
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,239
Speaker 1: a pretty good place overall with your body of work

1139
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 1: on paper and how you've sort of transitioned into this

1140
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 1: next phase of you know, actually.

1141
00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 2: I really am. But there was one thing I wanted

1142
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:47,880
Speaker 2: to kind of I'll leave you with this based on

1143
00:50:48,040 --> 00:50:50,320
Speaker 2: what you're talking about and wrapping this up, is that

1144
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: there was a kid that I think he was dying

1145
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 2: from cancer. And I think I've told this story on

1146
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:57,719
Speaker 2: our show a couple of times, and I said he

1147
00:50:57,840 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 2: was laying there and he was about to pass and

1148
00:50:59,840 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 2: he just grabbed his mother and he pulled her in

1149
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 2: and he's like, it's all so easy. It's also simple. Sorry,

1150
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 2: he said, it's also simple. And this kid's ten eleven

1151
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:10,719
Speaker 2: years old when he's about to pass from cancer, and

1152
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,000
Speaker 2: then he, you know, he obviously passes. I look at

1153
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: my career, man, I had so much fun. I don't,

1154
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,359
Speaker 2: I don't. I was so happy with everything that I did.

1155
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:21,040
Speaker 2: Of course I could have done it. I could have

1156
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,319
Speaker 2: made it way better by taking things a little bit

1157
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 2: more serious. But man, it was so simple. I loved

1158
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 2: going to the gym every day. I loved being around

1159
00:51:29,120 --> 00:51:31,000
Speaker 2: the guys, you know, even the guys I hated. I

1160
00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 2: look back at him now and I'm like, man, it

1161
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:33,680
Speaker 2: was so fun to be in the gym with you

1162
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 2: because you drove me to be better, because you would

1163
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: talk trash every time I got beaten sparring by somebody,

1164
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like they drove me to

1165
00:51:39,640 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 2: be better. I mean, like, I don't know, there's just

1166
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 2: I look at my career and I had the traveling

1167
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 2: from place to place with a group of guys in

1168
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 2: the car so we could all make three hundred bucks.

1169
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:51,439
Speaker 4: That was fun.

1170
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 2: I mean I remember showing up and the guys like, yeah,

1171
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 2: I got a hotel for you. We show up and

1172
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:56,560
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, the camp site's right there. So we

1173
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: had to camp in our cars and fight the next day.

1174
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 2: So we went to the campsite and he booked us

1175
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 2: a campsite. I mean, those are all experiences you would

1176
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 2: never get if I didn't live this life, I would

1177
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 2: have would, you know, just been living in college doing whatever,

1178
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:09,799
Speaker 2: you know, and who knows where I would have ended

1179
00:52:09,840 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 2: up after, you know, with the degree I probably never

1180
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,400
Speaker 2: would have used and would have probably joined the military

1181
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 2: because I had I had inspiray.

1182
00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,360
Speaker 4: I had kind of thought.

1183
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: About joining the military, you know, and being in the

1184
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 2: Air Force and trying to fly planes or helicopters. I've

1185
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 2: thought about that. That was a severe that was a

1186
00:52:24,600 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: serious thing, especially my first stint in the UFC when

1187
00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: I was twenty five, twenty six years old. I was like,

1188
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: if this doesn't work out, man, just join the military.

1189
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 2: Like I love working out, I love being part of this.

1190
00:52:34,280 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 2: I think having a family in the military would have

1191
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 2: been great. But overall, look, I experienced it all. I went.

1192
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 2: I went where I felt like I would be appreciated

1193
00:52:42,520 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 2: the most. I fought in Pride, I fought in dream

1194
00:52:44,920 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 2: I fought, you know, I fought in Japan. I was

1195
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:49,759
Speaker 2: the comin event on New Year's Eve. I can't wrap

1196
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:50,879
Speaker 2: up my career any better.

1197
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: Man.

1198
00:52:51,320 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: I fought, Delator fought and Strikeforce became a world champion.

1199
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 4: I'm blessed.

1200
00:52:55,880 --> 00:52:57,839
Speaker 2: That's all I can say. That's all I can say, man,

1201
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:58,360
Speaker 2: I'm blessed.

1202
00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:01,279
Speaker 1: You absolutely are, and I'm checking out your show on

1203
00:53:01,360 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 1: the weekly weighing in with Big John McCarthy. If you

1204
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 1: want to track this man's every move, and why would

1205
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 1: you not at the real punk Josh Thompson. We appreciate

1206
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: the time, I man, and don't be a stranger. Maybe

1207
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:11,600
Speaker 1: we'll do it again in a not too distant future,

1208
00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: but keep up the great work. Congrats on a great

1209
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 1: career and we'll be tracking you, buddy.

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00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 5: Thanks for the time.

1211
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: I appreciate the time. And Kenny, we got to get

1212
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 2: you on. So I'm gonna get your number from Ana

1213
00:53:20,600 --> 00:53:22,680
Speaker 2: care down. Dude, let's do it. But I can't wait, man,

1214
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 2: I'm looking forward to brother. All right, guys, thanks for

1215
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 2: having me on. Man, I appreciate the time.

1216
00:53:25,920 --> 00:53:26,640
Speaker 5: Appreciate you brother.

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00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,319
Speaker 1: Yep, we got to get Ken phone Josh Thompson together.

1218
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: That man wants your sell your telephone. And I don't

1219
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 1: give out Joe Rogan's cell phone number a lot. I

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00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: don't give out Nny Floory and cell phone number. I

1221
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 1: think I have permission to give it to Josh Thompson.

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00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: Was he ever on your radar, Kenny as a possible

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00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 1: opponent for sure? Listen, I was watching all of them

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00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:47,239
Speaker 1: and May when I was coming up just to learn

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00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 1: and to see who could be a potential opponent. I

1226
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:52,279
Speaker 1: was pretty hyper vigilant in that way.

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Speaker 7: So yeah, I wanted to make sure my skills were

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Speaker 7: going to be up to part of beat guys like

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Speaker 7: Josh Thompson because he was definitely elite back in the day,

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Speaker 7: no question.

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Speaker 6: All right.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to Josh Thompson for joining us, and you can

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Speaker 1: check out his podcast with Big John McCarthy weighing in.

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Speaker 1: Sean Brady, I feel like he is a really hard

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Speaker 1: the fellow welterweight contenders. I thought this was a great performance,

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Speaker 1: really Bell to Bell. I love the offense, especially in

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Speaker 7: I think we answered a lot of questions. You know,

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Speaker 7: for me, it was can he, you know, be better

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Speaker 7: than the experience of Gilbert Burns? And the answer was yes.

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Speaker 7: I think he looked fresher on the feet. I think

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Speaker 7: he was able to be very successful in rounds four

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Speaker 7: and five, which were going to be some question marks.

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Speaker 7: I think that, you know, he just state strong throughout

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Speaker 7: the fight and any issues, any adversity that he did

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Speaker 7: experience in that fight against Burns, he was able to

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Speaker 7: come back from. I think where he really was successful

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Speaker 7: ultimately was with his takedown game.

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Speaker 2: He was able to put Gilbert on his back, was successful.

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00:56:46,960 --> 00:56:50,280
Speaker 7: There was able to scramble out of some nice sweet

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Speaker 7: attempts and attacks from Gilbert Burns, and overall was the

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Speaker 7: better striker. And I wasn't sure who was going to

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Speaker 7: be the better striker there. I think he was a

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00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 7: little bit more success and he was able to take

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Speaker 7: advantage of the lack of volume from Gilbert Burns, and

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Speaker 7: Gilbert wasn't able to put together the same kind of

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00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 7: high volume that Balaon Mohammad was able to put on

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Speaker 7: Sean Brady.

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Speaker 2: And because of that, I think Brady was pretty much

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Speaker 2: in control that whole fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think he nailed at Gilbert Burns did

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00:57:21,200 --> 00:57:24,360
Speaker 1: have some singular striking moments I think in my notes

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00:57:24,440 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: round two for sure. Round four one judge I think

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00:57:27,320 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 1: did give him a round, and I think that was

1306
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,600
Speaker 1: round two. But yes, those signature moments for Gilbert Burns

1307
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:34,520
Speaker 1: in the fight were few and far between. And we

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00:57:34,600 --> 00:57:37,360
Speaker 1: all have buckets of respect for Gilbert Burns and his legacy,

1309
00:57:37,480 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 1: and this is certainly a tough pill for him to

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00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:42,400
Speaker 1: swallow when it comes to as sending back to any

1311
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: sort of world championship picture. But yeah, I mean the

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00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 1: story here is Sean Brady, Kenny, and before we sort

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00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 1: of spin it forward as far as he is concerned,

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Speaker 1: I want to get back to the value of that

1315
00:57:52,280 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: Muhammad loss in Abu Dhabi a couple of years ago

1316
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 1: for Sean Brady, because you know, I do believe in

1317
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 1: that moment, not at all trying to take anything away

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Speaker 1: from our dear friend and the world champion Ballao Muhammad,

1319
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,440
Speaker 1: but you did visually see a little bit of quitting

1320
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 1: Sean Brady. And not to suggest that had he returned

1321
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,120
Speaker 1: fire with a bunch of volume in that moment, maybe

1322
00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: the knockout against Blaal wouldn't have been on the feet

1323
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: and it would have been far worse, and maybe he

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00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 1: would have been concussed. Right, But you know, now that

1325
00:58:18,760 --> 00:58:21,560
Speaker 1: he got that out of his system, you know, I

1326
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 1: think the ceiling is world championship for Sean Brady, and

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00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to see the assent.

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00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 7: I agree that you know, there's so much that we

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00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 7: prepare for and hope to be ready for, but a

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00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 7: lot of those tests we can only experience in an

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00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:40,240
Speaker 7: actual fight, and it's only then that we understand those things.

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00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 7: I can can communicate to you all day long of

1333
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 7: what you may experience, but when you experience it for yourself,

1334
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 7: those are the best lessons and you will certainly remember it.

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00:58:51,480 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 7: You have two choices. You can run away from it

1336
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 7: or you can run towards it. And clearly we've seen

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00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,240
Speaker 7: Sean Brady address a lot of these issues because uz

1338
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:03,760
Speaker 7: his chin was tested, his conditioning was tested in this

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00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 7: fight against Gilbert Burns, and he was able to come

1340
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:08,480
Speaker 7: back and answer a lot of those things and show

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00:59:08,560 --> 00:59:12,440
Speaker 7: everybody that he is a better fighter than he was before.

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00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: So he called out Ian Mashato Gary and Ian Mashadow.

1343
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: Gary has the same manager, and so interesting that fight

1344
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,600
Speaker 1: seemingly would be able to come together. Now, Jack Della

1345
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: Madelena is on the Men and he said at a

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00:59:29,080 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 1: Q and A that I hosted in Perth that he

1347
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 1: was offered Shavcott Rochmanov in Perth. But obviously Jack Delama

1348
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 1: Matdelena was injured. So we're going to get back to

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00:59:37,480 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: this in a second, but we want to bring in

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Speaker 1: one of our special guests on the program today, a

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00:59:42,360 --> 00:59:43,680
Speaker 1: man who needs no introduction.

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Speaker 5: We'll try to get the shot right.

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00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:49,000
Speaker 1: Nineteen time you have see veterans everywhere time you have

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00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:52,960
Speaker 1: to veteran former interim title challenger, the Motown phenom himself,

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00:59:53,080 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: Kevin Lee.

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Speaker 5: Happy belated birthday, my man, is nice to see. How

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00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 5: are we doing?

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00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,920
Speaker 6: Thank you, Thank you. I appreciate this as birthday gift too.

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01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 6: I'm excited to talk to you, guys.

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Speaker 2: Well, we're excited to talk to you.

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01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: I know Ken Flo was excited this message about this,

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01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,600
Speaker 1: and it made my day to get a text from

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01:00:09,600 --> 01:00:11,040
Speaker 1: you last week on your birthday.

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Speaker 2: So you're here in South Florida.

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01:00:12,800 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: But I guess for those that haven't been tracking your

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01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: every move, what has the last year been like?

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Speaker 6: My man, I've been recovering from this knee surgery.

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01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 8: You know, I had knee surgery on September twelfth, so

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01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 8: I'm almost a year out, and all the doctors say,

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01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,120
Speaker 8: after a year you're you're fully good to go. The

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01:00:31,240 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 8: risk of retearing it is just as much as if

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01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 8: I never had the surgery. So I've been recovering from

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01:00:36,440 --> 01:00:39,360
Speaker 8: this knee surgery and it's been a little bit of hell,

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01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 8: but now I feel ten times stronger. I think I've

1375
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,720
Speaker 8: had three knee surgeries right starting from twenty twenty, and

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01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 8: the first two all I focused on was strength, and

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01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,200
Speaker 8: I think that's part of the reason why it retore

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01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,360
Speaker 8: this last year. Especially these last few months, I've really

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01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 8: been focusing on my mobility and my dexterity in certain positions,

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Speaker 8: and I can feel myself when I'm moving around in

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01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,080
Speaker 8: the gym with these guys. I feel the level that

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01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 8: I'm at is back to where I wasn't in twenty

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01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 8: twenty or twenty nineteen. I'm able to compete with the

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01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 8: with the top, with the elite of the elite, especially

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01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 8: when you talk about at one fifty five.

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Speaker 6: So that's why I'm really excited to make this comeback.

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Speaker 7: So so your plan is to basically come back at

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01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:26,640
Speaker 7: one fifty five, right, you want to compete back at

1389
01:01:26,720 --> 01:01:27,800
Speaker 7: lightweight like you were before.

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01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:29,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 8: I've made it known to all the managers, to all

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01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 8: the promoters, to everybody that I'm back in the pool.

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Speaker 8: I've really been looking for a fight since July can flow.

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01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,960
Speaker 8: And you know, when you get to a certain level,

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01:01:42,080 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 8: guys don't want to fight because it is because of that.

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01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,680
Speaker 8: Promoters don't want to do this, they want to do that.

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Speaker 6: But I have an established history in this sport.

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Speaker 8: You know, I feel like everybody that I've that I've

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01:01:56,600 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 8: worked with they always I haven't fucked over anybody at all.

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Speaker 6: If anything, I feel like I've elevated people.

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01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 8: And you know, any promotion that I'm going to be

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01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:10,400
Speaker 8: a part of is going to get a really huge asset,

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01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 8: especially me at one fifty five. Me on one seventy,

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01:02:13,840 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 8: you know, I could be one of the guys, but

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01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,680
Speaker 8: at one fifty five, I'll stand out amongst the elite again.

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01:02:18,440 --> 01:02:20,720
Speaker 7: Kevin, So, where are you training right now and what's

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01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,439
Speaker 7: your timeline looking for your your next fight?

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01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm I'm in Kilcliff FC. Uh and honestly, I'm

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01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:32,640
Speaker 8: ready for whatever happens. I'll tell you something. There was

1410
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 8: a guy that pulled out of one championship last week.

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01:02:36,240 --> 01:02:39,680
Speaker 8: He was getting ready to fight in Denver. I got

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01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 8: the call on Tuesday that they needed somebody to fill

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01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 8: in for the lightweight. I may have called to Tatre

1414
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 8: and I told him I'm ready. You know, we were

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01:02:47,040 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 8: in negotiations. They were wanting to put me in, but uh,

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01:02:51,080 --> 01:02:52,760
Speaker 8: they didn't want to go with it. I said that

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01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 8: I was ready. I'm still willing and able. If somebody

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01:02:56,040 --> 01:02:59,160
Speaker 8: pulls off this weekend, I'm willing and able to take

1419
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 8: a fight anytime. So as far as the timeline that's

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01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 8: gonna be, whatever promotion comes first is I'm signing that deal.

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Speaker 1: Kevin Lee with us here live on the anticin floor

1422
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: and podcast. You can follow him at Motown Phenom. More

1423
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,080
Speaker 1: on your future in a second, but I have to

1424
01:03:16,600 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: parken back some moments from your past. Bro, the Gregor

1425
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:24,120
Speaker 1: Gillespie headkick knockout in twenty nineteen at UFC two forty four.

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01:03:24,160 --> 01:03:26,960
Speaker 1: If you don't know Madison Square Garden, we've had a

1427
01:03:27,040 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 1: lot of special moments in that broadcast booth, Me and

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01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,840
Speaker 1: Joe and DC. But Bro and I don't even know

1429
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:33,520
Speaker 1: if it was DC on the call that night, but

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01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,880
Speaker 1: it was right in front of us. I visually have

1431
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,840
Speaker 1: not seen very many knockouts like that. I started seeing

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01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,400
Speaker 1: stars after the call because I didn't use my diaphragm properly.

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01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 5: I think come to passing out on the air.

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01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:51,560
Speaker 1: What was it like for you to land what I

1435
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:53,760
Speaker 1: think is one of the more vicious head kick knockouts

1436
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: we've ever seen in UFC history.

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Speaker 7: You kick so hard, you rock John, That's what happened.

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01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,360
Speaker 6: Yes, uh yeah, that was insane. That was an insane moment.

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01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:08,040
Speaker 6: You know, you go through this sport for so long and.

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01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 8: Some real moments that I look back on and being like, man,

1441
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:15,120
Speaker 8: that was fucking cool, Like in regardless of how this

1442
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:18,439
Speaker 8: whole thing plays out, that that's what it is really about,

1443
01:04:18,560 --> 01:04:21,840
Speaker 8: is the experiences, and that experience alone kind of trumps

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01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:25,479
Speaker 8: all of the other ones that I've ever had, being

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01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 8: on that stage at that.

1446
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:30,320
Speaker 6: Time, fighting that opponent in front of that crowd.

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01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:35,360
Speaker 8: Uh, It's it's very hard to duplicate that, but I'm

1448
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 8: looking to return to that form. You know that, I

1449
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 8: think that time period was the best and I'm looking

1450
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 8: to return to that. Right after that, I fought Charles

1451
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 8: Alavera and I haven't thought that at one fifty five since,

1452
01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 8: So it's time for me to make my return at

1453
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:53,080
Speaker 8: at one fifty five and show I'm still a contender.

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01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: That's a great answer, dude. That was some of the

1455
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:57,560
Speaker 1: sickest shit that I've ever seen. I'm trying to cuss

1456
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,560
Speaker 1: less on the podcast, but that was absolutely There was.

1457
01:05:01,640 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 6: A match and more to come.

1458
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:06,000
Speaker 5: No, I can't wait.

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01:05:06,080 --> 01:05:07,760
Speaker 1: I can't wait for the return Kevin Lee with us

1460
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 1: live here on the Anna Comploring podcast. So there was

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01:05:09,600 --> 01:05:13,400
Speaker 1: a grappling match with Chad Mendez that maybe was tentatively

1462
01:05:13,480 --> 01:05:15,200
Speaker 1: scheduled Abu Dhabi that went away.

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01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:16,000
Speaker 2: Is that accurate?

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01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:21,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's true. Uh yeah that that was August sixth.

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01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 8: We were supposed to do it a grappling match, uh

1466
01:05:23,720 --> 01:05:26,440
Speaker 8: and I was unable to to to make it to

1467
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,160
Speaker 8: Abu Dhabi, so unfortunately that one fell through. I mean,

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01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 8: I'm interested in doing more grappling matches and things of

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01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:36,320
Speaker 8: that nature, but my my real love is is for

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01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 8: mm A. You know, I want to compete again and

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Speaker 8: just to show you how serious I am. I even

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01:05:41,920 --> 01:05:44,720
Speaker 8: told Sean Shelby that I'm willing to go on Danner

1473
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:49,720
Speaker 8: White's Contender Series again to show, uh, how serious I

1474
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,800
Speaker 8: am about competing that at a high level. This next

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01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,880
Speaker 8: fight will be not about money or or or anything else,

1476
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 8: but to show that I'm that I can compete in

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01:05:58,520 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 8: in in my body can hold up amongst the tension

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01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:02,439
Speaker 8: that I'm putting in under.

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01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,160
Speaker 1: That is incredible to think that a former world title

1480
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,680
Speaker 1: challenger would compete on Dana White's Contender Series.

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01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 2: It would be great.

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01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:09,520
Speaker 6: I think.

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01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:11,800
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean I think it.

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01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 6: Would He said no, but you know I was willing

1485
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:16,560
Speaker 6: to do it.

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01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 8: They said it's five thousand flat, right, that's all you get.

1487
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,440
Speaker 8: And for five thousand bucks, we're losing money, but I'm

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01:06:23,480 --> 01:06:24,320
Speaker 8: still willing to do it.

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Speaker 5: That's really cool.

1490
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 1: No, but it's good to know that your relationship with

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01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,600
Speaker 1: the UFC is still intact. And it seems like from

1492
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,919
Speaker 1: Afar you've always had a pretty good relationship with Sean

1493
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,240
Speaker 1: and with Hunter Campbell and that's what allowed me to

1494
01:06:35,320 --> 01:06:38,320
Speaker 1: have that second UFC stint. So selfishly, I think for

1495
01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 1: me that I hope it is in the UFC. In

1496
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: terms of what your corner would look like. I know

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01:06:44,120 --> 01:06:46,720
Speaker 1: you're at Kilcliff FC dear Field Beach, Florida. It's hard

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01:06:46,800 --> 01:06:49,160
Speaker 1: to do much better than that, But who are the

1499
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:51,920
Speaker 1: primary coaches and bodies that you have been working with

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01:06:52,120 --> 01:06:55,000
Speaker 1: and who is going to be that chief corner whenever

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01:06:55,080 --> 01:06:55,880
Speaker 1: you're back in the fold.

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01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,840
Speaker 8: I'm always gonna have Dewey Cooper in my corner. You know,

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01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:02,760
Speaker 8: he was with me from the very onset of my

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01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:06,120
Speaker 8: career and I told him, I think this was maybe

1505
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 8: twenty fifteen, I said, I'll never fight without you in

1506
01:07:09,400 --> 01:07:11,800
Speaker 8: my corner. So even though I'm not training with him

1507
01:07:11,840 --> 01:07:13,880
Speaker 8: on a day to day basis, Dewey Cooper will still

1508
01:07:13,920 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 8: be there obviously. Henry Hoof is massive, he's a great

1509
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 8: mind for the sport. And then we got Greg Jones,

1510
01:07:23,320 --> 01:07:26,520
Speaker 8: who's one of the biggest invest wrestlers in the world,

1511
01:07:27,040 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 8: and he's really reignited my wrestling I think, and again,

1512
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 8: especially at one fifty five, the top wrestler is usually

1513
01:07:35,080 --> 01:07:35,800
Speaker 8: the one that's winning.

1514
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 6: I'm looking at guys like Armin.

1515
01:07:39,040 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 8: He's a great wrestler in his own right, but I

1516
01:07:41,360 --> 01:07:44,160
Speaker 8: think I can definitely go out there and compete at

1517
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:47,120
Speaker 8: that level with those same level of grapplers, especially with

1518
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 8: Greg Jones at our corner.

1519
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,360
Speaker 1: We got a couple more minutes here with Kevin Lee

1520
01:07:50,400 --> 01:07:53,040
Speaker 1: on the Attica Florian podcast. So there was a fight

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01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: against Rena Fokardinov last July. Ten days later, you announced

1522
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,960
Speaker 1: your retirement from MMA, and you said there's more to

1523
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:02,440
Speaker 1: life than fighting. You're not the first fighter, obviously to

1524
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:05,360
Speaker 1: step away for a time, So I'm curious where your

1525
01:08:05,400 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: mentality is relative to that point in time, because honestly,

1526
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: you sound phenomenal today.

1527
01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:13,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, some of that was fake news. You know, I

1528
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:14,560
Speaker 6: never really retired.

1529
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 8: You know that that's just the feeling in the moment,

1530
01:08:17,360 --> 01:08:19,880
Speaker 8: and I think, uh, I think Kim Flow can can

1531
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 8: kind of relate to this a little bit. You know,

1532
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 8: when when you step up and you fight a guy

1533
01:08:25,720 --> 01:08:30,960
Speaker 8: that was a former middleweight right undefeated in the UFC. Uh,

1534
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 8: and I took it on one one leg. My my

1535
01:08:34,120 --> 01:08:36,200
Speaker 8: a c O was was torn to shreds going into

1536
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:40,240
Speaker 8: that fight. Afterwards, I was a little bit bitter, and

1537
01:08:40,880 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 8: even walking out of the cage, I was.

1538
01:08:42,360 --> 01:08:45,280
Speaker 6: Like, man, I'm not doing this again, like there's no way.

1539
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 1: Uh.

1540
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Speaker 8: And it was mostly because of the surgery. And it

1541
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 8: was mostly because of the recovery. And and I've had

1542
01:08:51,280 --> 01:08:54,400
Speaker 8: these surgeries before, so I knew that long road was

1543
01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 8: was ahead of me. But after a few months and

1544
01:08:57,840 --> 01:09:00,880
Speaker 8: after a little bit of rehab, uh Uh, that fire

1545
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 8: is still gone.

1546
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,160
Speaker 6: And and this is the thing that I love the most.

1547
01:09:05,320 --> 01:09:10,280
Speaker 6: You know, my brother has gotten massively and all of

1548
01:09:10,320 --> 01:09:10,759
Speaker 6: this stuff.

1549
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 3: Uh.

1550
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 8: And I think even even even me like I'm more

1551
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,040
Speaker 8: I feel more famous now than before.

1552
01:09:17,479 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 6: If that sounds kind of crazy.

1553
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:19,439
Speaker 4: Uh.

1554
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,639
Speaker 8: People come up to me more now on a regular

1555
01:09:21,720 --> 01:09:24,519
Speaker 8: basis than than they ever did, even at the peak

1556
01:09:24,560 --> 01:09:28,000
Speaker 8: of my UFC career. And he asked me, He's like,

1557
01:09:28,040 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 8: what what are you doing it for? And it's obvious

1558
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 8: I'm not doing it just for the money. There's a

1559
01:09:32,439 --> 01:09:35,479
Speaker 8: lot more uh for me to learn about myself in

1560
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 8: this sport. And and that's the level that I that

1561
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 8: I want to get to.

1562
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:41,799
Speaker 6: I just want to find.

1563
01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,960
Speaker 8: Help people how serious I am about fighting again, uh,

1564
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,920
Speaker 8: and how dedicated that I am willing to put myself

1565
01:09:50,040 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 8: in for this sport.

1566
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:53,479
Speaker 5: Well, dude, you're an asset to the sport.

1567
01:09:53,560 --> 01:09:56,320
Speaker 1: You've articulated yourself really well today, and I love sort

1568
01:09:56,360 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: of what you led with in terms of just being

1569
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,400
Speaker 1: a soldier for all that these promoters wherever you have

1570
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 1: been throughout your career. I hope it's the UFC, my man.

1571
01:10:04,320 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 1: Obviously we've been tracking Keith and everything.

1572
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:11,200
Speaker 5: I hope, Yeah, I hope so man, Sorry.

1573
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:12,800
Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean to cut you off, but I hope

1574
01:10:12,840 --> 01:10:14,840
Speaker 8: it's the UFC too. They need a little bit of

1575
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:19,120
Speaker 8: of injection back into the lightweight division. I'm not saying

1576
01:10:19,200 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 8: that that Trevor Peak sucks, right, I'm not saying that.

1577
01:10:23,280 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that Trevor Peak sucks. I'm not saying

1578
01:10:25,880 --> 01:10:28,920
Speaker 8: that that Jordan Levey sucks. I'm saying that the guys

1579
01:10:28,960 --> 01:10:31,080
Speaker 8: that they beat aren't very good.

1580
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 4: Uh.

1581
01:10:32,600 --> 01:10:35,960
Speaker 8: You know, Kim Flow took on Jose Although the scarface

1582
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,519
Speaker 8: and you got this guy in there on standing hammer fist,

1583
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 8: and it's like, what the fuck are we doing? What

1584
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:43,439
Speaker 8: the fuck is going on?

1585
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:44,400
Speaker 1: Is this?

1586
01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:47,679
Speaker 8: Is this where I'm not allowed back in. I gotta

1587
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 8: sit on the sidelines and watch the ship. Uh, I've

1588
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,559
Speaker 8: got twenty UFC fights. Come on, what are we doing here?

1589
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,880
Speaker 8: We're throwing standing standing hammer fist now?

1590
01:10:57,600 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 4: Uh?

1591
01:10:58,160 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 6: You know, I just I just hope, you know again,

1592
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 6: I hope that it is back in the uf I'm

1593
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:03,720
Speaker 6: right along with.

1594
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:04,960
Speaker 5: You, dude.

1595
01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:08,479
Speaker 2: Bro, you absolutely deserve to be in the UFC. And

1596
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: I'll be honest with you.

1597
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: You know, when I text Ken Flow about fighters coming

1598
01:11:11,560 --> 01:11:14,280
Speaker 1: on the show, he doesn't get very excited all the time,

1599
01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:16,000
Speaker 1: and he got really excited to hear what you were

1600
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 1: up to.

1601
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:19,680
Speaker 5: And Uh, you absolutely are not only UFC level, but

1602
01:11:19,800 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 5: I have no doubt that if.

1603
01:11:22,240 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 1: You get back into the fold, you can realize greatness

1604
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,479
Speaker 1: again and at least get back into that top fifteen

1605
01:11:26,479 --> 01:11:28,080
Speaker 1: to one to fifty five. And then who knows, my man,

1606
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:30,000
Speaker 1: you got the name, you got the following, and uh

1607
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 1: sounds like you got the determination to get back there,

1608
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 1: so you'll always have a spot here.

1609
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:37,680
Speaker 5: He's the motown phoenom Kevin Lee. We appreciate the time.

1610
01:11:37,720 --> 01:11:39,759
Speaker 1: Man, don't be a stranger and uh we'll see assume

1611
01:11:39,800 --> 01:11:40,920
Speaker 1: man trained, hard, trains safer.

1612
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 6: I'm gonna get back into this gym, finish p work,

1613
01:11:43,680 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 6: got se all right, thanks.

1614
01:11:45,880 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 1: Boys, The motown Phoenom Kevin Lee live from Kilcliff FC

1615
01:11:49,479 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: today here on the Anakin Florian Podcast. So yeah, he's

1616
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,360
Speaker 1: a good dude and hopefully it is back in the

1617
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 1: UFC for Kevin Lee. And when I think about that

1618
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,799
Speaker 1: moment against Gregor Lesbie, and he answered the question beautifully.

1619
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 5: When you think about that venue, that opponent, that time

1620
01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:09,000
Speaker 5: in his career, that's it. Man doesn't get a whole

1621
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:09,600
Speaker 5: lot better than that.

1622
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: I think for every UFC fighter, for every mixed martial

1623
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:14,240
Speaker 1: arts athlete, to have one moment like that where you

1624
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,599
Speaker 1: turn another elite contender into frozen pizza on the grandest

1625
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: stage in the sport, doesn't get any better.

1626
01:12:21,160 --> 01:12:21,639
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

1627
01:12:21,640 --> 01:12:23,800
Speaker 7: You know, Kevin has always been a charismatic guy, and

1628
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,679
Speaker 7: you know, I actually really didn't know about how bad

1629
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,120
Speaker 7: his knee really was. And to hear that he's on

1630
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:32,280
Speaker 7: the end and getting better once back in. That's pretty cool, man.

1631
01:12:32,320 --> 01:12:34,200
Speaker 7: I hope he gets a shot all right.

1632
01:12:34,240 --> 01:12:36,800
Speaker 1: So our great executive producer Cody Merrow has found the

1633
01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: footage of that Kevin Lee knockout in my reaction, you know,

1634
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:41,959
Speaker 1: Vitor Belfort messed.

1635
01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 5: With oh my gosh, yeah, oh.

1636
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,160
Speaker 2: My goodness, and if your audio.

1637
01:12:54,960 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: Only, we just rolled in that Kevin Lee left head

1638
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 1: kick knockout of Gregor Gillespie, folding him up right there,

1639
01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 1: sitting down like almost doing not a wall sit.

1640
01:13:07,200 --> 01:13:09,760
Speaker 5: But right up against the atdu that was fucking in.

1641
01:13:10,120 --> 01:13:11,680
Speaker 2: It looked like you were going to take off into

1642
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,120
Speaker 2: outer space, is what happened. I mean, you were shocked.

1643
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 3: You know.

1644
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:18,519
Speaker 1: One thing we didn't get to today, our annual award

1645
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:23,599
Speaker 1: for Cornerman of the Year is the Robert Fallis Coach

1646
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: or Cornerman of the Year, and he was in Kevin

1647
01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:29,759
Speaker 1: Lee's corner for much of his career, and Dewey Cooper

1648
01:13:29,800 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 1: obviously has been a stabilizing force from day one, but

1649
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,160
Speaker 1: shout out to Robert Fallis, who was never far from

1650
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,200
Speaker 1: the mind of Kevin Lee nor us. Here on the

1651
01:13:37,240 --> 01:13:39,479
Speaker 1: Antican Floran podcast, so Ken Flow, as we spin it

1652
01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 1: forward for Sean Brady. I like the call out of

1653
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,720
Speaker 1: Ian Mashadogary essentially what I was saying in terms of

1654
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:46,240
Speaker 1: this welterweight pecking order, they tried to put together Jack

1655
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: Dela Madelane against Shotcott rock monob it would appear to

1656
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:50,120
Speaker 1: me like Shavcott is going.

1657
01:13:50,120 --> 01:13:52,040
Speaker 5: To be next in line for Balao Mohammed.

1658
01:13:52,600 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: What is your relative appetite for Sean Brady versus Ian

1659
01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,080
Speaker 1: mashado'gary in theory in the main event, I.

1660
01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:59,960
Speaker 2: Think it's a fight that makes a lot of sense,

1661
01:14:00,320 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 2: you know.

1662
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,640
Speaker 7: I think that this would be Sean Brady's chance to

1663
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:07,920
Speaker 7: go against a guy in Ian mashad o'gary who is

1664
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:11,120
Speaker 7: at a higher ranking. He's fought a lot of really

1665
01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:14,080
Speaker 7: good guys, obviously a lot of hype behind him right now.

1666
01:14:14,160 --> 01:14:16,080
Speaker 7: If you were to beat Ian, I think it would

1667
01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,280
Speaker 7: be huge for him, and I think for Ian mischatdo'gary,

1668
01:14:19,320 --> 01:14:22,439
Speaker 7: it's a great test for him as well, and a

1669
01:14:22,520 --> 01:14:24,479
Speaker 7: way for him to prove to other guys that he

1670
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 7: can defeat someone who is I guess you can call

1671
01:14:28,400 --> 01:14:30,680
Speaker 7: Brady a specialist when it comes to grappling. If you

1672
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,760
Speaker 7: could beat someone like that, I think that would be

1673
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:35,960
Speaker 7: huge and would add that much more fuel to him

1674
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 7: to ascend into that division. So I think it's a

1675
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,120
Speaker 7: good fight. I think it's a fight that makes sense.

1676
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:43,920
Speaker 7: I'm not sure Ian Mischadogary's going to take it, but

1677
01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 7: why not. I think it's a good fight.

1678
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:48,960
Speaker 2: There's no way to.

1679
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:53,280
Speaker 1: Really protect these welterweight contenders from each other, right But

1680
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 1: if you were, and we've talked about this promotionally trying

1681
01:14:57,000 --> 01:15:00,479
Speaker 1: to protect Ian Mashadow Gary, you certainly we don't give

1682
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,240
Speaker 1: him Michael Venom page ranked below him. It was a

1683
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 1: pick'm fight on paper, I thought a very challenging matchup.

1684
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: Perhaps you and others may disagree this Sean Brady matchup.

1685
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,120
Speaker 1: I would think for Ian Maschado, Gary Kenny is as

1686
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:17,760
Speaker 1: difficult as anyone on paper, including the welterweight champion Blab Muhammad,

1687
01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 1: And yet I still think Ian would take it. But

1688
01:15:21,200 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 1: man not doing Ian Gary any favors in my humble opinion,

1689
01:15:24,040 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: if Sean Brady is the guy who shows up in

1690
01:15:25,560 --> 01:15:26,599
Speaker 1: his bracket next.

1691
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:29,160
Speaker 2: It's a tough fight for both. Absolutely yep.

1692
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:32,759
Speaker 1: But of course, when you talk about Shafcott Rochmanov fighting

1693
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:35,559
Speaker 1: Jack Dela, Matt Alena right, They're not trying to protect

1694
01:15:35,600 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 1: any of these guys. We will see what happens in

1695
01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:41,840
Speaker 1: this welterweight division, and certainly Sean Brady with that win,

1696
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:45,880
Speaker 1: factors prominently in it. And again we have always mentioned

1697
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 1: his name leading into this main event against Gilbert Burns

1698
01:15:50,240 --> 01:15:52,679
Speaker 1: and after the Kamora against Kelvin Gaslin. We have always

1699
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:56,040
Speaker 1: mentioned Sean Brady's name in this mix of guys. Jack Dela,

1700
01:15:56,080 --> 01:16:00,240
Speaker 1: Mattelena Shavcott, Rock Monoviyamashadow, Gary who are now chasing I'll

1701
01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 1: remember the name Muhammad all Right now joining us on

1702
01:16:04,600 --> 01:16:07,120
Speaker 1: the guest line. This is probably I mean, he's one

1703
01:16:07,120 --> 01:16:09,320
Speaker 1: of the best people I have met in mixed martial arts,

1704
01:16:09,680 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: and I'm getting very excited for everything that is happening

1705
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,440
Speaker 1: in his mixed martial arts life. Right now, combat sports journalists,

1706
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:20,160
Speaker 1: aspiring mixed martial arts and boxer the MAC life guy

1707
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: Oscar Willis is joining us live.

1708
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:24,360
Speaker 5: It's nice to see a buddy. How we doing.

1709
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,280
Speaker 4: I'm good man, very good on this big fight week

1710
01:16:27,320 --> 01:16:28,680
Speaker 4: at the sphere, a bit of a unique one, so

1711
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:31,120
Speaker 4: I'm kind of excited for it. And then obviously got

1712
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:33,280
Speaker 4: my own stuff going on I'm going actually having to

1713
01:16:33,320 --> 01:16:35,800
Speaker 4: tell people, yeah, I'm training today, so you know, I'm

1714
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:36,320
Speaker 4: kind of busy.

1715
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:36,800
Speaker 8: Yeah.

1716
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 1: Well, if you don't know, October twelfth, in Marbella, Spain,

1717
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 1: you will compete in a bare knuckle boxing match against

1718
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,600
Speaker 1: Ben the Bain Davis. So a week prior it is

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Speaker 1: October fifth, UFC three to zero seven, I'd imagine you

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Speaker 1: will be boots on the ground in Salt Lake City, Utah,

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Speaker 1: just sort of working your training around your full time

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Speaker 1: job or is that not accurate?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 4: In fact, so it's what better opportunity than to go

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01:17:01,720 --> 01:17:03,799
Speaker 4: to Salt Lake and get that final week at elevation.

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Speaker 4: You know it really you did it for me, so yeah,

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Speaker 4: I will be there. It's a bit tricky bouncing it around,

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01:17:09,840 --> 01:17:11,920
Speaker 4: like obviously, you know, you've got press conferences and media

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01:17:12,000 --> 01:17:13,519
Speaker 4: days to sort of fit it all in. But that's

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Speaker 4: part of the challenging, part of the fun. And I

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01:17:15,240 --> 01:17:18,040
Speaker 4: will say, like, you know, flying straight from Salt Lake

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Speaker 4: to Spain and actually having to deal with jet lag

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01:17:21,120 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 4: ahead of a fight is an experience I've not been

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Speaker 4: used to before, so I'm really hyped on that. But yeah,

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01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,280
Speaker 4: fitting in around to everything else that's your standard.

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Speaker 1: All right, well, we're very excited to talk to Oscar

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01:17:30,600 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 1: Willis today. Certainly we'll get to the noche UFC stuff.

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01:17:33,280 --> 01:17:35,200
Speaker 1: But I am absolutely fascinated by.

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Speaker 2: This endeavor.

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01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 1: I was pretty fascinated in late twenty twenty two when

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01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,640
Speaker 1: you won your amateur MMA debut against Jeremiah Benavidez.

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Speaker 5: What was that experience like relative to your expectations.

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01:17:47,439 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 4: Uh, it was cool. It was really cool. It was

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01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 4: a bit of a weird one, right. That was under

1745
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 4: the train Alta program which used to be wint to Warrior,

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01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,479
Speaker 4: and so I actually trained alongside that guy for like

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01:17:56,640 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 4: twenty weeks before that fight, so it was a bit

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01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:00,560
Speaker 4: of a unique one where it was sort of you

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01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 4: fighting a guy that you were kind of used to.

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Speaker 4: I remember it being much more tiring, believe it or

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01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:07,160
Speaker 4: not that I thought it was going to be. I

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01:18:07,240 --> 01:18:09,880
Speaker 4: remember after the first two minutes being like, ah, it

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01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,600
Speaker 4: does suck, but being able to sort of power for

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01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:15,959
Speaker 4: you that and you know, I also got heavily concussed

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01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 4: in the first round, but we came back swinging and winning,

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01:18:18,160 --> 01:18:20,160
Speaker 4: so I'll take that. It was a great experience, to

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01:18:20,200 --> 01:18:21,759
Speaker 4: be honest, I did say as I left the cage

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01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:24,599
Speaker 4: that I would never ever do it again. And then

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01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 4: I guess I go bored. I thought, I don't know,

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01:18:27,080 --> 01:18:29,000
Speaker 4: let's up the stakes, let's take gloves off. It'll be

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01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,320
Speaker 4: even better. So well, I don't know why I have

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01:18:31,439 --> 01:18:33,760
Speaker 4: bad impulse control. Maybe it's from being hit in the head,

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01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,120
Speaker 4: but yeah, we're making it work.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 1: I can say, as somebody who has watched you work

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01:18:38,280 --> 01:18:40,720
Speaker 1: for the last however many years, you have so much

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01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,599
Speaker 1: respect from these athletes and this roster, and a lot

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01:18:43,680 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: of that respect predated you actually competed, and I think

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01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:49,640
Speaker 1: that only heightens how much everybody in the sport respects you.

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01:18:49,760 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 1: But yeah, now it's going to be no gloves of

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01:18:52,479 --> 01:18:55,640
Speaker 1: bullfighting arena, and I would think you're the betting favorite here.

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Speaker 1: So how are we going to take care of business?

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01:18:58,200 --> 01:18:59,880
Speaker 1: On October twelfth? And I guess how did this whole

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01:19:00,040 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: and come together?

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Speaker 5: You sick?

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01:19:01,240 --> 01:19:05,760
Speaker 4: Fuck? Well, basically I just was like, you know, John,

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01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:08,080
Speaker 4: I like a drink, and then I was like, fuck,

1778
01:19:08,120 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 4: I should probably stop drinking at some point in my life.

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01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,560
Speaker 4: I wonder what would help me get sober. I was like,

1780
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 4: maybe I'll have another fight that's like six weeks sober.

1781
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:18,360
Speaker 4: And then I was like, if I do may, I'll

1782
01:19:18,400 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 4: never say. So, I just drinking the camp and then

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01:19:20,200 --> 01:19:23,519
Speaker 4: I was like, but bare knuckle, that's scary. I'll definitely

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01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 4: stop then, so I sort of obviously the congragred connection

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01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:28,559
Speaker 4: with BKFC was there, So then I sort of started

1786
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:31,400
Speaker 4: having conversations. I was looking around at the landscape of

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01:19:31,479 --> 01:19:33,479
Speaker 4: which media people I'd like to hit, and the list

1788
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:35,240
Speaker 4: was too long, and then I started looking at people

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01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 4: I quite liked, and then sort of made sense. He's

1790
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:39,200
Speaker 4: like a kid that sort of gets to promote it.

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01:19:39,439 --> 01:19:41,880
Speaker 4: So we sort of came to a deal and then

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01:19:42,040 --> 01:19:44,920
Speaker 4: uh yeah, man, Like it's it's in terms of getting

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01:19:44,920 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 4: the job done. In my head, I'm like, wow, fuck,

1794
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:49,800
Speaker 4: if I hit him hard enough, no one wants to

1795
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 4: get hit with bare knuckles, Eventually one of us will quit.

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01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,680
Speaker 4: And they even said they were like, oh, look it's

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Speaker 4: three rounds, but there's a sudden death round. If it's

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01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,479
Speaker 4: a tire, I said, neither one of us will be

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01:19:59,560 --> 01:20:01,880
Speaker 4: going into on death round. You can call it a

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01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:04,360
Speaker 4: tie right then and there. So yeah, I'm just gonna

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01:20:04,400 --> 01:20:07,120
Speaker 4: go out wind mill in I hope for the best.

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01:20:08,520 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 7: Amazing, amazing John. First of all, it's Mark beya, it's

1803
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 7: not Mark Bella.

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01:20:14,280 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 6: John.

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01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:17,840
Speaker 7: This is the first time he's ever made a pronunciation

1806
01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:21,200
Speaker 7: mistake on the podcast since like what twenty fifteen, So

1807
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:25,639
Speaker 7: we have to Oh my gosh, this guy all right,

1808
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,080
Speaker 7: so tell me about this. So you're you're fighting him

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01:20:28,120 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 7: in Spain? How serious are you taking this? Like, what's

1810
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Speaker 7: your training schedule looking.

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Speaker 4: For I'm doing two a day. He's obviously extreme catoul.

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01:20:35,479 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 4: I am taking it seriously, like obviously it's it's a

1813
01:20:37,760 --> 01:20:40,360
Speaker 4: bit of a weird one, right people is like people saying, oh,

1814
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 4: you need to hit wood for twenty minutes a day,

1815
01:20:42,280 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 4: you need to put your hands in buckets of sand

1816
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:47,800
Speaker 4: and stuff like that. My strategy is, don't think about it,

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01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,040
Speaker 4: assumeing it'll be fine, and worry about it when you

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01:20:50,120 --> 01:20:52,080
Speaker 4: punch him in your handbrakes and then figure it out

1819
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,000
Speaker 4: from there. But I am doing two a days and

1820
01:20:54,160 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 4: I think it's three two minute rounds, right, So it's

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01:20:56,720 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 4: basically a sprint and ben ukho anyway is it feels

1822
01:20:59,880 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 4: like putting two things in a blender and turning it

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01:21:01,880 --> 01:21:03,840
Speaker 4: on and seeing sort of what happens. So I'm just

1824
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:07,280
Speaker 4: basically working on sprint, cardio and boxing. But even when

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01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 4: you watch bennuckle with it's not like traditional boxing. A

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01:21:10,240 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 4: lot of it is we'll say, less technical looping punches

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01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:16,519
Speaker 4: by some of the athletes. So I think you kind

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01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:18,080
Speaker 4: of just have to get in your head that like

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01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,080
Speaker 4: it's gonna hurt, but if you can sort of outlast

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01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:22,760
Speaker 4: the other guy, that's the way to do it. Say,

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01:21:23,000 --> 01:21:26,200
Speaker 4: lots of sparring, lots of like two minute rounds with

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01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:28,840
Speaker 4: thirty second breaks, trying to get used to the recovery stuff.

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01:21:28,840 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 4: And yeah, so I'm taking it as seriously as someone

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01:21:31,320 --> 01:21:32,920
Speaker 4: as un serious as I can take it.

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01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:35,720
Speaker 2: All right, you're taking it seriously. Are you concerned for

1836
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,520
Speaker 2: Ben Davis's health? Is is he in trouble.

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01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:40,400
Speaker 4: For my health?

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01:21:40,760 --> 01:21:40,920
Speaker 6: Oh?

1839
01:21:41,479 --> 01:21:42,960
Speaker 4: I don't know about his health at all.

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01:21:43,479 --> 01:21:46,160
Speaker 2: So are you watching tape on bet? Are you watching

1841
01:21:46,240 --> 01:21:47,720
Speaker 2: his last fight? And be like, what do I need

1842
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 2: to be worried about?

1843
01:21:49,439 --> 01:21:51,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's the problem. Right. So he's had one

1844
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 4: boxing fight where he got knocked out, uh, and then

1845
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:57,280
Speaker 4: he had a karate combat fight, which is all kicks basically.

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01:21:57,439 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 4: So I just basically watched I watch his tape and go, God,

1847
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:03,600
Speaker 4: he sucks. And then I watched my own tape and

1848
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 4: I go, man, I suck too, Like, this is the

1849
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:08,200
Speaker 4: first two minutes of this is going to be really exciting.

1850
01:22:08,280 --> 01:22:11,679
Speaker 4: The next four minutes potentially quite upsetting for the viewer,

1851
01:22:11,800 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 4: So you know, we got to get it done early.

1852
01:22:13,640 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 4: But yeah, I mean I try. And just we actually

1853
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,400
Speaker 4: met in Vegas for a face to face interview to

1854
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 4: discuss the fight last week. I mean, he was a

1855
01:22:21,320 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 4: little smaller than I asis bated, so I felt even

1856
01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 4: better after that. But yeah, I think, you know, I

1857
01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:29,400
Speaker 4: just kind of got to assume that if listen, if

1858
01:22:29,439 --> 01:22:31,519
Speaker 4: I went to the pub on Friday and got attacked

1859
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 4: by someone, I'd take it, you know, definitely serious. So

1860
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:34,519
Speaker 4: I've got to treat this one.

1861
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,360
Speaker 5: I'm saying, that's a good analogy.

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Speaker 1: Oscar with Us Oscar Willis with Us live on the

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Speaker 1: Anconflorming podcast. You can follow him on both social channels

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Speaker 1: X and Instagram at Oscar s Willis.

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Speaker 5: There will be betting odds on this fight.

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01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,760
Speaker 1: I would imagine it's an amateur boxing match, but there

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01:22:49,800 --> 01:22:50,599
Speaker 1: will be betting ods.

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01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:51,799
Speaker 5: Does that sound correct?

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01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 4: I believe? Sorry, man, I mean, listen, they're taking betting

1870
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 4: odds on like everything these days, They're taking betting ods

1871
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:58,920
Speaker 4: on like the Journalist of the Year award at the

1872
01:22:59,080 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 4: m May Awards. If you bet on Matt, you can

1873
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:02,599
Speaker 4: bet on these two have to punch up right.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm very excited for you.

1875
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:08,439
Speaker 1: You have a lot of great relationships with a lot

1876
01:23:08,520 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 1: of high level, high profile fighters pub talk of course

1877
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,960
Speaker 1: with Dan Hooker. You guys have a tremendous kinship. Tom

1878
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,560
Speaker 1: Aspinall is one of your best friends. I'm curious in

1879
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:20,200
Speaker 1: terms of your family and your friends, their relative level

1880
01:23:20,240 --> 01:23:22,760
Speaker 1: of excitement and if they knew that this sort of

1881
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,360
Speaker 1: desire to compete was somewhere in there.

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01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,479
Speaker 4: No, it's funny you say that. Tom Asminal actually told

1883
01:23:28,520 --> 01:23:30,280
Speaker 4: my mum that I was doing this. That's how she

1884
01:23:30,360 --> 01:23:35,040
Speaker 4: found out. We were at Tom's party after he won

1885
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 4: in Manchester and he said to her like, oh, what

1886
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:38,840
Speaker 4: do you think about his bed? A whole thing then

1887
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:42,200
Speaker 4: and then obviously she she didn't love it, and in fact,

1888
01:23:42,240 --> 01:23:44,560
Speaker 4: she texted me two days ago saying I'm thinking of

1889
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 4: coming to Spain to pick up the pieces, which I

1890
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,599
Speaker 4: thought was very supportive. I was like, wow, you know, so, yeah,

1891
01:23:51,680 --> 01:23:56,720
Speaker 4: they're typically you know, unexcited about it. But Dan is

1892
01:23:56,800 --> 01:23:59,439
Speaker 4: flying from New Zealand to Cornomie, which is very nice

1893
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,800
Speaker 4: of him. Craig Jones is also flying over because he

1894
01:24:02,880 --> 01:24:04,600
Speaker 4: heard the after party was going to be good. I

1895
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:06,080
Speaker 4: don't know how much advice he can give me in

1896
01:24:06,120 --> 01:24:08,519
Speaker 4: a boxing match. Yeah, it's actually going to be quite

1897
01:24:08,520 --> 01:24:12,240
Speaker 4: an eclectic group of people. Yeah. So it's also just

1898
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:13,880
Speaker 4: about like if they all get there the day before,

1899
01:24:13,920 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 4: it's about not getting distracted the night of. I think

1900
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,280
Speaker 4: I kind of got to lock myself in a room

1901
01:24:18,320 --> 01:24:19,519
Speaker 4: and they can't get at me.

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01:24:20,160 --> 01:24:22,599
Speaker 5: Yeah, that is a power corner, but man, they'll keep

1903
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:23,160
Speaker 5: you up at night.

1904
01:24:23,800 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 1: So of your own career, how do you determine which

1905
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 1: live events you are going to cover?

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01:24:30,360 --> 01:24:31,439
Speaker 5: You're based in Las Vegas.

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01:24:31,479 --> 01:24:35,320
Speaker 1: The apex seemingly is not far, but it's all pay

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01:24:35,320 --> 01:24:37,200
Speaker 1: per views to be sure, and then you sort of

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Speaker 1: build off of that.

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Speaker 3: Is that right?

1911
01:24:39,000 --> 01:24:40,920
Speaker 4: Well? Sort of the pay per views are guarantee, like

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01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 4: when there's a paperw I'll be there and then I

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01:24:43,840 --> 01:24:45,799
Speaker 4: try and do as much as I can, right, If

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01:24:45,920 --> 01:24:47,240
Speaker 4: you know, you kind of go a lot that This

1915
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 4: is a bit people don't really like this, but you

1916
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:50,800
Speaker 4: gotta look at the dollars and cents of the industry, right,

1917
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,800
Speaker 4: Like if it's a certain headline that I would have

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01:24:52,880 --> 01:24:55,519
Speaker 4: to fly to Monkton to go cover and it wouldn't

1919
01:24:55,560 --> 01:24:57,680
Speaker 4: sort of get us the ad revenue back. You kind

1920
01:24:57,720 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 4: of got to look at that and sort of think twice.

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01:24:59,240 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 4: But we've the eight And then also, as you're well aware, John,

1922
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:05,560
Speaker 4: you know, the schedule is so relentless that I feel like,

1923
01:25:05,720 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 4: if you go and attend every single thing because you

1924
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:11,679
Speaker 4: feel obligated to do so, you're going to get burnout

1925
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:13,880
Speaker 4: a lot. More So, with all the best will in

1926
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 4: the world, there are some of those APEX shows that

1927
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:17,760
Speaker 4: even though it's five minutes down the road, I'm going

1928
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:19,519
Speaker 4: to give myself the night off for that one, you

1929
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:21,960
Speaker 4: know what I mean. So I try and cover. I

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Speaker 4: think I cover about eighty to ninety percent of all

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Speaker 4: the cards, but I'm trying to get a bit better

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Speaker 4: about what they're being like, Okay, you don't need to

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Speaker 4: cover this particular fight. This is like not an overwhelming

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Speaker 4: audience for this particular fight, and it's not going to

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Speaker 4: get you the revenue that would overcome that lack of audience, right,

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Speaker 4: So trying to get better about choosing it. But nine

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Speaker 4: times out of ten, I'll be there.

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Speaker 5: So in terms of Sphere this weekend in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 1: You've covered all these big pay per views for i'd

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Speaker 1: imagine the better part of a half decade, if not longer.

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Speaker 5: When did you launch and start with the maclif twenty sixteen?

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Speaker 4: UFC two hundred was my first event, and I started

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Speaker 4: as a writer, and then we started covering events in

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Speaker 4: person shortly after Diaz two, and then there's this thing

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Speaker 4: in Brooklyn, so we stopped for a little bit, and

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Speaker 4: then we got restarted after that, and then it's been

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Speaker 4: since September of that year. I think since basically Kabede Fight,

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Speaker 4: we've been here at every event.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you built a tremendous following and a tremendous

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Speaker 1: website and the YouTube channel is fantastic. So what are

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Speaker 1: your expectations and have you seen anything in terms of

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Speaker 1: what is happening at sphere this weekend.

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Speaker 4: No, they're very, very very very locked down on this one.

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Speaker 4: Which is almost funny, right because I think I'm sure

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Speaker 4: everyone's seen the narrative of like, oh, they can't sell tickets,

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Speaker 4: blah blah blah. It's like if you released a couple

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Speaker 4: of stills of what it would look like. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: that would help shift it. But there you are so

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Speaker 4: determined to keep it private, but they're not doing that.

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Speaker 4: Much more power to them. I think anyone who's been

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Speaker 4: in the sphere, which I have, I got to U two,

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Speaker 4: knows that this is going to be unbelievable. I think

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Speaker 4: anyone who's at home or he's not seen the sphere

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Speaker 4: kind of like, well, what does it matter to me

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Speaker 4: where the venue is. So I'm actually expecting I don't

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Speaker 4: know if it's going to be the greatest sporting event

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Speaker 4: of all time my Dane has been saying, but certainly

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Speaker 4: I'm expecting something special. And obviously, John, you and I

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Speaker 4: go to all these shows. The production is amazing, but

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Speaker 4: it's the same sort of thing every time, right, it's

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Speaker 4: the same diled in machine. For this one, it's meant

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Speaker 4: to be a completely different show and a completely different experience.

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Speaker 4: So even just as a fan of technology and production,

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Speaker 4: I'm really excited about that. And then in terms of

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Speaker 4: like the card, I see some people sort of critiquing

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Speaker 4: the card a little bit, as again, I've been in

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Speaker 4: the sphere. You could have me fighting in there. It'll

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Speaker 4: look unbelievable. So I think I'm really excited for this one.

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Speaker 4: You could have got a if it's a one and done,

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Speaker 4: I don't know. I kind of hope it's not. I

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Speaker 4: still let the sphere could be so cool, like for

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Speaker 4: other sort of themes, but if it is, as well,

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Speaker 4: save it, right, So I plan on savoring as much

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Speaker 4: of the Sphere experience this week as I can.

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Speaker 1: I would think of another athlete came along that necessitated

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Speaker 1: this type of stage, not even on econnor McGregor level,

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Speaker 1: but at least six tenths of what he was then

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Speaker 1: maybe again, but at least given the extent to which

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Speaker 1: the curtain's been peeled back for me, and given what

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Speaker 1: an endeavor this is, it's hard for me to believe

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Speaker 1: that they would do it again. And even in terms

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Speaker 1: of the tight lipped nature of it, like the features

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Speaker 1: and things that I have to throw to, they won't

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Speaker 1: even send them to me, right, I have to be

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Speaker 1: in a specific room with a specific audience to actually

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Speaker 1: get to see that. So all right, before we let

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Speaker 1: you fly and it's at Oscar s willis on all

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Speaker 1: of your social channels? Are you required to make picks

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Speaker 1: in any of your media work?

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Speaker 4: Required?

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Speaker 6: No?

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Speaker 4: Not, luckily, because it does upset certain people, but I'm

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Speaker 4: also quite happy to do some. Yeah, it doesn't bother me.

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Speaker 4: I'ms not required.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I could ask you about Shaan O'Malley

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Speaker 1: and Morab, and I could ask you what your expectations

2007
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Speaker 1: are for the fight. I could say to you that

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Speaker 1: Shaun O'Malley was plus one sixty four at one point

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Speaker 1: in time, and now he's the betting favorite. Do you

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Speaker 1: have any lean in either of the two title fights

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Speaker 1: that are pretty close on paper?

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Speaker 4: It interests me that he saw it as the underdog

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Speaker 4: and then switch because it's not like either one of

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Speaker 4: those guys have a fighting style that's going to radically evolve,

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Speaker 4: you know, like you'd sort of think if they set

2016
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Speaker 4: the line at something, why would it change. I guess

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Speaker 4: obviously the betting action has been towards sure, But for me,

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Speaker 4: I think it's you'll know, it's one of those fights

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Speaker 4: that you'll sort of know how it's gonna go within

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Speaker 4: the first round, maybe round and a half, Like if

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Speaker 4: Mirab can get him down or can just like you know,

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Speaker 4: spam those takedowns have him against the cage. Maybe Sean

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Speaker 4: stops the takedown and gets him off. But it just

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Speaker 4: keeps happening after a while. Sean's the one is gonna

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Speaker 4: get tired, right, Mirab is not going to get tired.

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Speaker 4: So if that's happening for the first round and a half,

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Speaker 4: I think Sean will lose the knockout ability that we

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Speaker 4: kind of have. But I also see a world where

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Speaker 4: this is the Aljamin fight again, where Sean just has

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Speaker 4: great distance. I think Marab gets hit by the same

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Speaker 4: left hook in a lot of his fights, so Hudo

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Speaker 4: got in with it, Mariah's got in with it. If

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Speaker 4: they can hit him with it, then Sean definitely can.

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Speaker 4: So I sort of see a fight where it could

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Speaker 4: go either way, but it could be dominant in either direction.

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Speaker 4: I don't really see a back and forth war here.

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Speaker 4: I think whoever wins is going to have like a

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Speaker 4: lot of momentum towards the end. I'm leaning Sean just

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Speaker 4: because I think his ability to control distance is pretty impressive.

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Speaker 4: But it wouldn't surprise me if Morob has another showcase

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Speaker 4: throwing him around and God knows.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, fascinating fight. We'll get picks from ken

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Speaker 1: Fel later in the week. The Mac Life's Oscar willis

2044
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Speaker 1: just great stuff. Across the board. Buddy's so happy for

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Speaker 1: everything that's going on in your life at Oscar s

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Speaker 1: Willis on both Instagram and x and it all goes

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Speaker 1: down bare knuckle boxing October twelfth, The One the Only

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Speaker 1: Oscar Willis Is.

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Speaker 5: They're gonna be merchandise, bro, I will fucking buy it.

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Speaker 4: I mean, may or may not be working with Craig

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Speaker 4: Jones and putting some stuff together. I mean, I don't

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Speaker 4: know how family friendly that match guys will be, but

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Speaker 4: we're sort of you know, we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 2: Dude.

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Speaker 1: I just need your face on a shirt that says

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Speaker 1: the One the Only or Team Willis. Dude, I'm a

2057
01:30:39,160 --> 01:30:41,280
Speaker 1: simple man. I'll make my own if it's not clean,

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Speaker 1: but with respect.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you, just for you, I will create some stuff.

2060
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Speaker 4: Maybe I'll have it. I'll get it to you this week.

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Speaker 4: It can be like thirty more sleeps or something. I

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Speaker 4: think that's about where we're at for this one.

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Speaker 1: Well, hey, I like Ben Davis, he's a friend of mine,

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Speaker 1: but I've made it clear my allegiances with Team Willis.

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Speaker 1: On October twelfth, there it is in a few days,

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Speaker 1: brother in Vegas, and congratulations on the fight. We look

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Speaker 1: forward to it on October Twelfthuddy, thanks for coming on.

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Speaker 4: Thank you very much, Guys, thank you very much for

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Speaker 4: having me.

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Speaker 1: Thanks there is Oscar Willis from the Back Life with

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Speaker 1: Us Live on the Anakin Flooring Podcast.

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Speaker 5: I don't believe we have booked him on the show prior.

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Speaker 1: My memory isn't great, and I somewhat regret having not

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Speaker 1: booked him prior to him getting this fight because I'm

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Speaker 1: wildly interested in obviously this initiative for him on October twelve.

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Speaker 5: But he brings a lot to the table when it

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Speaker 5: comes to just covering this fine sport too.

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Speaker 2: He's a good bloke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a good bloke, and it looks like he's

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Speaker 1: in fine federal right now. It looks like he's in

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Speaker 1: pretty good shape. So we'll see how it goes against

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Speaker 1: another good egg, Ben Davis.

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Speaker 3: You know I love you.

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Speaker 5: Bang coming up on October twelfth.

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Speaker 2: All right, we're going to.

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Speaker 1: Bang on out of here. Thanks to everybody for indulging

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Speaker 1: us live. Thanks to our guest Ray Longgo, Josh Thompson,

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Speaker 1: Kevin Lee, Oscar Willis, We're right back with you. I

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Speaker 1: think it'll come out Wednesday night. It'll be a complete

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Speaker 1: preview with predictions for not cha UFC UFC three oh six.

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Speaker 1: My prediction is that n flow will will pick Sean O'Malley.

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Speaker 1: We'll see if I end up being accurate on that.

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Speaker 1: continue this festive no cha UFC fight week. Thanks for

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