WEBVTT - Part One: RAM: Nazi Fight Club 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:08.640 What's really having some motherfucking trouble getting adjusted to the 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.920 new year and coming back from vacation. My be Oh wow, 0:00:13.000 --> 0:00:18.000 that see off balance from the get go. I'm Robert Evans. 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.720 This is Behind the Path Behind the Bastards podcast where 0:00:21.760 --> 0:00:24.800 Sophie laughs at me for my foibles and we talk 0:00:24.840 --> 0:00:29.960 about bad people. Yeah right now. I don't know when 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:32.839 this episode is gonna air, maybe in sometime in early February, 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.640 but this is the first episode we're recording in and 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:39.040 I have just come back, as has Sophie, from two 0:00:39.120 --> 0:00:42.479 weeks of vacation, and I think I speak for both 0:00:42.640 --> 0:00:46.880 of us when I say motherfucker um. It is hard 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:48.640 to get back into the swing of things, which is 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:52.800 why Garrison Davis is here today to read our episode 0:00:53.040 --> 0:00:55.920 to me so that I get to skip out on 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.600 writing for a little while longer, and I don't know, 0:00:58.640 --> 0:01:00.720 maybe play a fucking video game or some how. Are 0:01:00.720 --> 0:01:03.960 you doing, Garrison great. I just woke up and I 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:08.319 have coffee in one hand and scrolling through my twenty 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:12.600 page monster essay. An the other hand. You've truly adapted 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:15.720 to the podcasting lifestyle, which involves waking up at twelve 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:18.479 thirty five frantically getting on a zoom call because Sophie 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:21.000 yells at you for being late, and then reading twenty 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:24.240 pages about a Nazi. Yeah. Now here's my question. So 0:01:24.319 --> 0:01:26.680 you have the coffee you have? Do you have a 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:31.880 secret weapon near your podcast being station? I have about 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.480 twenties scream of sticks to my right and about I 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:40.520 don't know five bladed weapons to my left. Yar is 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:44.200 so so much better, it's so cool. I don't have 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:48.160 the machete. Roberts at me. Oh, I I have that 0:01:48.280 --> 0:01:50.800 machete too. It's a it's a good one. It's a 0:01:50.800 --> 0:01:55.040 good one. Yeah. Yeah, we need to get you a 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:58.240 get you a rifle garrison. But first let's talk about 0:01:58.280 --> 0:02:01.440 the reason you might need a rifle. These Nazis you 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:06.840 wrote about today? Yeah not okay. Um, so I'm getting 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:10.560 I'm getting a little tired with Nazis, I'll be honest, Um, 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.520 all are That's kind of their thing. They just they 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:17.280 just keep being a problem. Um like this this should 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.239 have ended, I don't know, in the forties or something, 0:02:19.400 --> 0:02:22.680 but no, um, we have we have so many other 0:02:22.919 --> 0:02:28.119 kind of world ending problems to deal with, like common change, hunger, evictions, pandemic. 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.720 But the fascist just keep popping up and they're adding 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:33.320 on to all of these problems. And I am really 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:37.799 not excited about eco fascism. Yeah, that's the one I'm 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:40.440 most not excited about. Yeah, that's the thing I see 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:43.040 coming of the most. Um. We're not actually going to 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.799 be explicitly talking about eco fascism today, although it will 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.160 it'll probably come up towards the end because of some 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.960 of the influences that we'll be talking about. But we're 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.799 we're we're gonna be more focusing on good old fashioned 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:01.760 Nazi street fighting gangs. But we have we have a 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:04.160 fun we have a fun twist where it's not it's 0:03:04.160 --> 0:03:07.160 not just street fighting gangs, it's also a weird kind 0:03:07.200 --> 0:03:12.440 of active where lifestyle brand. Great. Hell yeah that's my 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:17.080 ship right there. Yoga pants, ethnic cleansing. Yeah, let's do 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:19.560 it's both. It's like this with this brand of like 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:25.160 lifestyle fascism with also street fights. It's great. Yeah, capitalize everything, 0:03:25.320 --> 0:03:29.320 even genocide. Yes, So of course this means we're talking 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.079 about the not so fine folks at ram Or also 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:36.920 known as the Rise Above movement. Um. If if you've 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:41.160 ever seen protest footage, especially like a right wing versus Antifa. 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.760 Footage from like pre um you've you've probably seen RAND 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.360 members beating up people on the ground. Um. If you 0:03:49.400 --> 0:03:55.680 saw footage from you probably saw RAND members beating up children. Um, 0:03:55.720 --> 0:03:57.600 that's because that's kind of what they were doing for 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:01.360 a lot a lot of seen, especially on the West coast. 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:04.320 UM people who we now know to be a part 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.480 of RAM. We're popping up all all over. So today 0:04:08.640 --> 0:04:11.080 we are going to look into the rise and the 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.440 fall and the sort of kind of grift resurgence of 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:18.640 the rise above movement. Um. Let this is just another 0:04:18.800 --> 0:04:21.719 it's just a side note for me. Um. You know, 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.400 I know Robert, you talked about this, you talk about 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:24.800 this a little bit too. But when we try to 0:04:24.920 --> 0:04:27.640 like cover these groups, there's always kind of a line 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.640 to want a draw between like giving them advertising and 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:33.240 like covering them in a responsible way so people know 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:36.840 it's like people have information about them and about what 0:04:36.920 --> 0:04:39.440 threats they pose and how to oppose it. Right. So 0:04:40.200 --> 0:04:41.719 I had a bit of I had a bit of 0:04:41.720 --> 0:04:44.680 trouble on this one trying to find this line of 0:04:45.279 --> 0:04:47.880 you know, what is too much information that's like making 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:51.200 it to advertise the versus you know, I think this 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:53.960 group is. I think that this group's ideology specifically could 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:56.320 be a real problem in America. UM. So we call 0:04:56.360 --> 0:04:59.160 it the severe tri Devi paradox of like, Okay, how 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:01.360 how deep do you get into this thing that people 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:03.200 need to know about, but you really don't want to 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:07.440 just be platforming? Yeah? Yeah, and so it's it's it's this. 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:09.320 It was. This one was a bit tricky because I 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.160 think there's gonna be a lot of American youth that's 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:13.559 very susceptible to what this type of what this type 0:05:13.560 --> 0:05:17.360 of group puts out. UM. So I'm going to get 0:05:17.400 --> 0:05:19.039 into maybe a little little bit more detail than I 0:05:19.040 --> 0:05:21.160 would usually want to for this group, but I'm gonna 0:05:21.200 --> 0:05:23.279 try to keep it in context for you know, informing 0:05:23.279 --> 0:05:26.080 people about what to look out for. Um, because I 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:27.880 think you know, this like is that this type of 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.400 group has never actually gotten a very good stronghold in America, 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:34.359 and I think they very well could, um because of 0:05:34.400 --> 0:05:38.599 the weird kind of macho, kind of masculine lifestyle activism 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:41.159 with like athletics, the kind of thing that we'll we'll 0:05:41.200 --> 0:05:45.920 be talking all all about that more later. Um. Um. First, First, 0:05:45.960 --> 0:05:48.320 the kind of the origins of this group what what 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:51.479 we know as the Rise Above Movement, which I'll just 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:54.480 be calling RAM from now on. UM first first pop 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.640 onto the scene short shortly after Donald Trump's selection, alongside 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:00.320 a handful of other like all right groups, so late 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:05.039 late is when they first first formed kind of alongside 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:08.600 Richard Spencer in the Traditionalist Worker Party and like those 0:06:08.640 --> 0:06:13.360 other first wave groups. Yeah, they initially so to tell 0:06:13.400 --> 0:06:15.080 you kind of this, to get a little peak about 0:06:15.080 --> 0:06:17.760 what these people actually believe, they initially referred to themselves 0:06:17.839 --> 0:06:23.400 as the d I Y Division so nerds so division 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:29.120 hack into that two thousand twelve relevant stream, Yeah, but 0:06:29.160 --> 0:06:33.280 also like division obviously being referenced in UM uh so. 0:06:33.400 --> 0:06:35.960 But they quickly changed their name, realizing this was probably 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:39.200 a terrible name um so in in early in spring 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:42.200 of seventeen, they quickly changed their branding to RAM or 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:47.000 Rise Above Movement UM. They had about probably a few 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:51.200 dozen members who lived mostly around southern California. The most 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:54.800 efficient way to describe them is basically a white supremacist 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.200 street gang that exists to get into fiscal contents fiscal 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:01.280 combat with all of their ideological enemies. So that's really 0:07:01.320 --> 0:07:03.960 anyone that isn't them or anyone they see as Antifa, 0:07:04.000 --> 0:07:06.159 but it was it was very explicitly to get into 0:07:06.200 --> 0:07:08.640 fights with people. This was like their main there, This 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.679 was their main focus. UM right RAM has two people 0:07:12.760 --> 0:07:16.520 usually credited as leaders or co co founders, Benjamin Daily 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:20.600 and Robert Rundo. Uh. The inspirations for the group is 0:07:20.600 --> 0:07:23.360 a mix of kind of Nazi skinheads like the Hammerskins 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:28.800 UM and UH, European Eastern European street fighting white identity movements, 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:31.000 which we'll get into more in the next episode a lot. 0:07:31.520 --> 0:07:33.880 But I'm i kind of I'm gonna be kind of 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:36.440 calling that lifestyle brand fascism because of the kind of 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:40.720 weird the weird white identity mixed in with like this 0:07:41.640 --> 0:07:45.000 like selling athletics equipment and stuff. It's also a real 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:46.760 good example of one of the things that Burt oh 0:07:46.800 --> 0:07:50.840 Echo talked about in Our Fascism, his essay trying to 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:54.000 kind of explain what fascism is syncretism right, Like, fascism 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:58.960 in in the United States has particularly um spread in 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:02.280 like by kind of co opting aspects of consumerist culture 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.520 and like, like that's why you'll see a lot of 0:08:04.520 --> 0:08:07.720 these like lifestyle brands that focus on like beards and 0:08:07.840 --> 0:08:11.600 tactical gear and like coffee and ship like that, because 0:08:11.600 --> 0:08:13.960 it's all part of this. It's an aesthetic as much 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:17.320 as it is an ideology. Yes, and they are very 0:08:17.360 --> 0:08:20.920 into aesthetics. Um, they are a various aesthetically focused This 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:23.440 was you know, one of their actually on Runda. We'll 0:08:23.440 --> 0:08:25.480 talk about this later, actually he'll he'll bring up this 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.160 kind of topic when he gives advice for how to 0:08:27.160 --> 0:08:29.320 start these groups. And it's not like the o G 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.360 Nazis weren't snappy dressers, you know, have always been a 0:08:32.400 --> 0:08:36.280 big part of fascism. Aesthetic, it's always been a giant part. Yeah. Um, 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:38.880 so the group is if you look at like if 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.920 you look back in, the group is kind of notable 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.520 for where it falls in the conservative to rights to 0:08:44.600 --> 0:08:48.079 neo Nazi spectrum um. Online, they were much more open 0:08:48.080 --> 0:08:51.880 about their whites fremasis views than say the Proud Boys Um, 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.440 but they weren't quite at like Adam Waffin levels. They 0:08:54.480 --> 0:08:57.600 they're kind of this little in between between being like 0:08:57.760 --> 0:09:01.560 super openly Nazi all the time, but also they're they're 0:09:01.600 --> 0:09:04.360 beyond just doing dog whistles like you know, like they 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.680 would they would post Hitler memes on social media. Um, 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:11.520 and they would like share Daily Stormer articles. Um. But 0:09:11.800 --> 0:09:14.480 when they're in like in the streets, um, they they 0:09:14.640 --> 0:09:17.559 they fell back and hid behind the anti immigrant, pro 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:21.440 free speech, pro traditional masculinity thing, while also using a 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:25.640 myriad of anti Semitic dog whistles. Um. In an interview, 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:30.160 I think uh Rundo said that someone asked him about 0:09:30.200 --> 0:09:32.720 quote the fourteen words, and one I was like, oh 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.560 ha ha, well, um, uh, I'll say I'm a fan 0:09:36.640 --> 0:09:39.800 of the fourteen words. It's like he's it's like so 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:44.480 they were they were they were more we must secure 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:46.640 a future for it's a thing about how like we 0:09:46.679 --> 0:09:48.839 have to make the world safe for white children. And yeah, 0:09:48.840 --> 0:09:51.920 it's it's a phrase that's fourteen words. That's it's just 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:54.800 it's kind of a just a simple it's like it's 0:09:54.840 --> 0:09:56.559 it's like it's it's it's almost almost like a code 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:00.640 that people was back and forth to signal their ideology. Yeah, 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:02.760 we've gone into detail with it about it in the 0:10:02.760 --> 0:10:05.640 War on Everyone, in the the Rockwell episodes and a 0:10:05.640 --> 0:10:08.440 few other places. Yeah. Continue, but yeah, so they're a 0:10:08.440 --> 0:10:11.320 little bit more dogwistiley in the streets, more open online. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.600 So there. It's kind of they fall into this weird 0:10:13.679 --> 0:10:16.120 kind of in between. Um. I mean, the Proud Boys 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:18.480 are more open now than what they weren't play seventeen, 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:20.679 but even still, you know, they have it's it's it's 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:22.800 it's a little different because like ramed wouldn't allow people 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:26.120 of color inside inside RAM, whereas the Proud Boys do 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:31.040 UM for you know, whatever propaganda reasons. Um. Here's here's 0:10:31.040 --> 0:10:33.800 how RAM described their group on an Instagram post from 0:10:34.280 --> 0:10:37.560 seventeen in a in June quote. We want to rise 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:40.640 above all of today's destructive culture and see the rebirth 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.240 of our people strong and mental and fiscal capabilities as 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.839 our forefathers were. In a time when you can be 0:10:46.920 --> 0:10:49.760 harmed for your political beliefs or shamed for your heritage, 0:10:49.920 --> 0:10:53.440 we are here to defend our identity and shared goals. 0:10:54.000 --> 0:10:55.960 So like that's the kind of that's the kind of 0:10:55.960 --> 0:10:58.080 propaganda they put out in that kind of like the 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:02.120 phrasing that they use. Um, there's there's there's a little 0:11:02.160 --> 0:11:04.600 bit of identity Europa kind of stuff, and this this 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.920 group ties into the Europa a little bit later on. Um. 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.880 But they're they're they're, they're they're more more more openly 0:11:11.880 --> 0:11:14.960 by supremacists than than than the Proud Boys at this point, 0:11:15.040 --> 0:11:21.920 definitely UM North California Anti Racist Action, which is like 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:25.320 an anti fascist information collective. UM. They put together a 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.000 really good piece on the early days of RAM back 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.920 in July, way way before the mainstream media started paying 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:35.520 attention UM, in the wake of the violence at Charlottesville. UH. 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:39.000 The Anti Racist Act Anti Racist Action article describes RAM 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.520 like this UM. Note they use some loaded terms here 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.960 that will try to kind of define later UM. But 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:49.560 here's how Anti Racist Action describes RAMS as as you know, 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.679 as a as an organization, UM. Rise Above movement is 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:55.280 a loose collective of violent neo Nazis and fascists from 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:59.040 southern California. That's or that organizes and trains primarily to 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:02.240 engage and fighting and violence at political rallies. They've been 0:12:02.240 --> 0:12:04.679 a central participant in the recent wave of far right 0:12:04.679 --> 0:12:08.600 protest movements in California during the first half of which 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:10.880 have attempted to mobilize a broad range of right wing 0:12:10.920 --> 0:12:14.040 constituents under the banner of protecting so called free speech, 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:18.559 yielding on un yielding support for Trump, and apathy towards Muslims, immigrants, 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.240 and other oppressed groups. So you know, when like Berkeley 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.120 was happening and all these other things, you know, this 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.640 group was was right there in California trying to capitalize 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:30.240 on the new popularity that this kind of you know, 0:12:31.160 --> 0:12:34.520 quote activism was doing with these you know, lots of 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.679 different right wing kind of rallies at this time. UM 0:12:38.720 --> 0:12:41.640 back back back to the anti racist action kind of definition. Uh, 0:12:41.880 --> 0:12:45.120 the group's ideology comes appears to be a mishmash mostly 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:50.200 equal parts of identity Europa's flaccid identitarian discourse inspired itself 0:12:50.200 --> 0:12:54.680 by fascist organizations like Generation Identity from France and the 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:58.280 fetisisty and the fetishization of masculinity, physical fitness, and violence, 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:02.240 mixed in with shallow anti corporate, anti consumers themes like 0:13:02.320 --> 0:13:06.000 in the film Fight Club. Propaganda by the overwhelmingly, but 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:10.079 propaganda by the group overwhelmingly contains the usual fascistic themes 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:13.679 of emasculated young men needing to reclaim their identities through 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:17.120 learning to fight and engaging and puring a purifying violence 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:21.520 so very theyre they basically are just a Nazi fight club. 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:25.000 One of the things that's really interesting about not just 0:13:25.240 --> 0:13:28.800 ram but about kind of the way in which American fascism, 0:13:29.040 --> 0:13:31.960 you know, starting like not starting in but ramping up 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.520 in sen and up through the Trump years. Is it 0:13:34.640 --> 0:13:39.199 kind of recreated the process that we saw happen in 0:13:39.240 --> 0:13:42.120 the early chunk of the twentieth century, like and and 0:13:42.240 --> 0:13:44.839 ram is specifically that we talked about Gabrielle Benunzio in 0:13:44.880 --> 0:13:47.880 an earlier episode, like that he's all about the aesthetics, 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.479 he's about manliness, he's about like like like the purifying 0:13:51.600 --> 0:13:55.079 nature of violence, the sacredness of action for actions sake, 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.480 like they were at that stage of it. And obviously, 0:13:58.559 --> 0:14:01.480 like the kind of mainstream of American fascism has moved 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.400 on and gotten much larger and more dangerous. But it's 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:06.840 interesting to me that the same pattern has kind of 0:14:06.880 --> 0:14:10.959 repeated itself here. Yeah, and it was this was this 0:14:11.040 --> 0:14:13.560 was all very intentional. Like, um, if you look at 0:14:13.559 --> 0:14:16.040 like the anti racist action kind of brief definition or 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:21.080 not not suprief definition, Um, then compare that to like, so, um, 0:14:21.080 --> 0:14:23.440 this was a ram. I'm gonna real A RAM post 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:28.160 from a GAB circa December to seventeen. Robert, did you 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:29.840 want to want to explain what GAB is to the 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:32.000 listeners that have a better life than we do. Yeah. 0:14:32.120 --> 0:14:36.080 Gab was the first Twitter for Nazis before Parlor was 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:40.640 popular as Twitter for Nazis, and gab largely became defunct 0:14:40.680 --> 0:14:44.040 after someone who had repeatedly talked about killing Jewish people 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:46.960 on Gab shot eleven Jewish people to death at the 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:50.200 Tree of Life Synagogue. Yeah, so here's here's here's the 0:14:50.240 --> 0:14:53.720 post from RAM from from from gab um kind of 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:56.400 echoing some sentiments that the Anti Racis Anti Racist Action 0:14:56.480 --> 0:14:59.360 article kind of laid out. The Rise About Movement is 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.600 the premier m M, a fight club of the altar 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:05.320 right representing the United States. Their dedication is to promote 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:08.280 an active lifestyle and common values among young people and 0:15:08.320 --> 0:15:11.520 a future for European people. This is achieved through training, 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.640 creative thinking, and activism. The main task of RAM is 0:15:14.680 --> 0:15:18.040 to revive the spirit of a warrior and see the 0:15:18.120 --> 0:15:26.480 rebirth of the values of the Western civilization's forefathers warrior. So, yeah, 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:28.880 the warrior spirit is going to be a big reoccurring 0:15:28.920 --> 0:15:33.000 theme here. Um I I was I. I've been familiar 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:35.440 with the warrior spirit kind of concept for a while 0:15:35.480 --> 0:15:38.880 because actually that there's there's a sector of the Parker 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:41.760 community that talks about that. So like I've been and 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:44.240 I was always weary of that, even before I really 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.320 knew what fascism was. I always just felt weird to 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:51.480 me and felt a little problematic. Yeah. Um, but we'll 0:15:51.480 --> 0:15:54.680 actually we'll be talking about warrior spirit later on, probably 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:57.880 more in in part two. Um, because there's a you know, 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.200 a whole bunch of fascist writing about the warriors bear 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:03.280 to the warrior lifestyle, warrior mentality or whatever. Of course, 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.560 this also ties into police training, which I'm sure is 0:16:05.600 --> 0:16:11.080 just a coincidence. Um, I'm sure there's a correlation. I'm 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:14.560 sure there's no correlation between the aesthetics, the aesthetics of 0:16:14.680 --> 0:16:19.680 violence and the warrior culture that Ram appropriated and capitalized on, 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.800 and the aesthetics of violence and warrior culture that is 0:16:22.880 --> 0:16:27.280 hugely popular among law enforcement law enforcement trainers like Grossman. Um, 0:16:27.320 --> 0:16:31.720 I'm sure there's there's absolutely no comparisons between any any 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:35.240 of those things. It is fun though, because Ram does 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:39.640 hate law enforcement, which is gonna be very funny later. Well. Yeah, 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:42.600 because and that's the like you've got the two chunks 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.840 of the right that are currently like the there's like 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:49.040 the hates cops because I'm an actual Nazi chunk of 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:50.720 the right, and then there's the back the blue chunk 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:53.200 of the right. And at the moment one we seem 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:55.720 to be watching the hates cops chunk of the right 0:16:55.760 --> 0:16:59.000 eating the back of the blue type, which is which 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:05.040 is very fun. Yeah. Anyway, Yeah, we we will talk. No, 0:17:05.280 --> 0:17:09.199 I'm fin was just watching from the sidelines. Um. Anyway. 0:17:09.280 --> 0:17:13.560 So in late late seventen Pro Publica interviewed a quote 0:17:13.680 --> 0:17:16.359 leader of RAM. So this is probably either Ben Daily 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.760 or Robert Rundo, but it doesn't identify who UM. And 0:17:19.800 --> 0:17:22.359 here's what the article says on the actual origin of 0:17:22.359 --> 0:17:27.400 the group UM. Quote RAM, the leader said, came together organically. 0:17:27.440 --> 0:17:29.800 It started when he encountered a few other guys with 0:17:29.800 --> 0:17:33.240 similar political beliefs, including two active duty U. S. Marines, 0:17:33.760 --> 0:17:37.040 while exercising at different gyms in southern California. They all 0:17:37.080 --> 0:17:39.680 liked Trump but didn't think his agenda went far enough. 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.560 The men began hanging out. Their numbers grew. Many came 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:45.280 from rough backgrounds. They've been strung out on drugs or 0:17:45.320 --> 0:17:48.280 spent time behind bars, and currently labored at tough blue 0:17:48.280 --> 0:17:51.080 collar jobs. Soon they had a name and a mission. 0:17:51.280 --> 0:17:54.040 They would physically take on the foes of the far right. 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.520 So that's that's that's how they're kind of origin is 0:17:58.600 --> 0:18:01.320 described in that article based on the interview they did, 0:18:01.800 --> 0:18:04.520 just some dudes hanging out in gym's talking about politics 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.800 and realizing that they're all kind of Nazis um, which 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:09.960 they were. There's a lot of actually ties, there's lots 0:18:09.960 --> 0:18:12.479 of ties to the to the actual Hammer Skins Um 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:14.399 which we'll talk more about later, which again are like 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:18.640 one of the first big Nazi skin head um gangs. Yeah, 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:21.679 and we're talking like nineties, early two thousand's. Actually the 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:25.240 first named US Antifa group, ro City Antifa form to 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.439 oppose a hammer Skin rally, and I think two dozens 0:18:27.520 --> 0:18:31.480 six in Portland. Yeah, we Hammer Skins will will come 0:18:31.480 --> 0:18:36.520 back here um very soon. Um. Rams combination of influences 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.440 makes it pretty makes it a pretty unique group inside 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:42.040 the States, and one I think that young men can 0:18:42.040 --> 0:18:45.560 be especially susceptible to under the right conditions. UM in 0:18:45.600 --> 0:18:48.560 their prime. Ram just utilized the same kind of meme 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:51.440 centric social media outreach common among the ault right, the 0:18:51.520 --> 0:18:54.920 joke filled posts about white identity, victimhood, and heritage, while 0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.680 also being very lifestyle focused and emphasizing the importance of 0:18:57.680 --> 0:19:02.520 physical fitness, mascaline athleticism, and street combat training, drawing from 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.440 Skinheads in particular the hammer skin Nation um who who 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:07.680 also did combat training. Um. And actually they did combat 0:19:07.680 --> 0:19:13.560 training alongside Ram and Ram and Hammerskins shared a few members. Um. 0:19:13.600 --> 0:19:16.359 I know. One one thing Wonder talks about when like 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.080 he's when like now, when he's talking about, you know, 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.040 advice for how to start groups and why he started 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:23.760 this group is like he was upset that the al 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.800 right fell into a few kind of factions and feel 0:19:26.840 --> 0:19:29.199 like he felt like his faction wasn't really represented. There 0:19:29.280 --> 0:19:31.520 was like the whole like there was a total like 0:19:31.560 --> 0:19:35.840 you know, the Richard Spencer kind of smart intellectual people 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:39.880 in suits doing debates type thing, um, And there was 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.240 like the very Mimi right, and then there was the 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:45.359 very kind of Larpe right where you know, dressed up 0:19:45.359 --> 0:19:47.520 in in like tactical gear and ghost stand in front 0:19:47.560 --> 0:19:50.960 of a building. And Runda thought all these were stupid. Um. 0:19:51.000 --> 0:19:54.440 He's like, he's like kids, kids don't usually go dress 0:19:54.520 --> 0:19:57.040 up in suits and do debates. That's not really what 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.000 That's not really what a lot of young kids do. 0:19:59.240 --> 0:20:02.679 But you do watch UFC. So this so this is, 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:04.400 this is this is what his kind of big thing 0:20:04.560 --> 0:20:06.479 was was like, if I can get the kids that 0:20:06.520 --> 0:20:09.040 watch UFC, like, if I get like the young teens 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:11.000 that do that, I think that's going to be more 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:13.959 of a breeding ground than like the Richard Spencer dressing 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.879 up in suits trying to look all like cool. Um, 0:20:17.440 --> 0:20:20.119 I mean, fucking Joe Rogan proves them right and that 0:20:20.119 --> 0:20:22.399 that's not a dumb tactic. No, it's not, which is 0:20:22.400 --> 0:20:23.800 why I want to talk about this and we need 0:20:23.840 --> 0:20:26.080 to like watch out for this in the next few years, 0:20:26.560 --> 0:20:29.760 because he is right about that. I mean I would 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:32.840 dress up in suits and do debates, but that I'm 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:37.840 I'm me. Yeah, So it's it's I'm I'm a little 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:43.880 different there. Um yeah, yeah, that's that's that's that's where 0:20:43.880 --> 0:20:49.240 it comes from, you know. Um. Anyway, um, let's see. 0:20:50.560 --> 0:20:53.280 Oh yeah, here in in a in a in a 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:55.920 YouTube video which we'll talk more about his rundo's YouTube 0:20:55.960 --> 0:21:00.119 videos later, but here's here. Uh. This is uh, this 0:21:00.160 --> 0:21:03.640 is a quote from one of his YouTube videos. Um. 0:21:03.680 --> 0:21:06.200 I can't remember what chapter it is in mind Comps, 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.240 but the one that he says that we needed we 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:10.919 need more people to take a boxing than we need intellectuals. 0:21:12.560 --> 0:21:19.240 Uh yeah, so I mean and kind of perfectly embodying 0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.800 that by saying, I don't remember where in mind comfit was, 0:21:22.160 --> 0:21:26.239 but somewhere somewhere that there's a quotes apparently when when 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:28.960 Runda was in jail, he was like allowed a copy 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:33.199 of mine. Compea not a not a good not a 0:21:33.200 --> 0:21:36.479 good idea. But people can't have dice to play dungeons 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:41.480 and dragons. That's satanic, Robert, it might use it to gamble. 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:46.320 Oh and that yeah. Um so. One one key element 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:50.840 that separates RAM from skinheads is their aesthetic. Um, instead 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:53.560 of shaved heads, bomber jackets and boots, they have you know, 0:21:53.640 --> 0:21:57.680 taper and fashion haircuts that became a common among half 0:21:57.720 --> 0:22:01.680 skull masks, populized by popularized by him often and um 0:22:01.720 --> 0:22:05.520 as California or Anti racist Action perfectly puts it. Quote 0:22:05.680 --> 0:22:09.400 Richard Spencer in activewear kind of look, which does does 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:12.119 really kind of describe what these guys look like. I 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.919 just hate that. That's a sentence somebody wrote. Yeah, and 0:22:15.960 --> 0:22:20.359 it's it's frustrating how accurate it is. Um, the active 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:22.680