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Speaker 1: new year and coming back from vacation. My be Oh wow,

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Speaker 1: that see off balance from the get go. I'm Robert Evans.

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Speaker 1: This is Behind the Path Behind the Bastards podcast where

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Speaker 1: Sophie laughs at me for my foibles and we talk

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Speaker 1: about bad people. Yeah right now. I don't know when

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Speaker 1: this episode is gonna air, maybe in sometime in early February,

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Speaker 1: but this is the first episode we're recording in and

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Speaker 1: I have just come back, as has Sophie, from two

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Speaker 1: of us when I say motherfucker um. It is hard

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Speaker 1: why Garrison Davis is here today to read our episode

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Speaker 1: to me so that I get to skip out on

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Speaker 1: writing for a little while longer, and I don't know,

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Speaker 1: maybe play a fucking video game or some how. Are

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Speaker 1: you doing, Garrison great. I just woke up and I

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Speaker 1: to the podcasting lifestyle, which involves waking up at twelve

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Speaker 1: thirty five frantically getting on a zoom call because Sophie

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Speaker 1: yells at you for being late, and then reading twenty

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Speaker 1: pages about a Nazi. Yeah. Now here's my question. So

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Speaker 1: it's both. It's like this with this brand of like

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Speaker 1: dash of medical bleach, and you gotta make sure it's

427
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: medical bleach. Stealing from a hospital. Break into a hospital

428
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,160
Speaker 1: with a gun, steal some medical bleach, and a dollarp

429
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,800
Speaker 1: of that on top of the four oh nine, and

430
00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: then just a scouch of women. Don't do any of that.

431
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: I think I think it will cure the Nazi problem.

432
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,639
Speaker 1: It'll do Yeah, exactly. If we can get the Nazis

433
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: drinking highballs, we'll have less of a problem with them

434
00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,440
Speaker 1: because it make the part where people have to go

435
00:24:11,680 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: guns blazing into a You don't have to go guns.

436
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 1: That's the most American thing you can do, Sophie. If

437
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: you carry out an armed robbery in a hospital, they'll

438
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: probably let you take the bleach. Okay, this is not

439
00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 1: Batman movie. This is Behind the Bastards and it's time

440
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 1: for an ad break. Don't do any of that. Ships

441
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: that support this podcast, all right, we're back. Please continue Garrison. Ya,

442
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 1: no drugs for these Nazis, so so they say except

443
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 1: for drinking and driving, except for a lot of alcohol. Um.

444
00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:54,439
Speaker 1: But I mean, like Rundo does truly believe in the

445
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 1: straight edged thing like they like in terms of like

446
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: drugs and stuff, they really are anti drug Um. You

447
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 1: show was Hitler except for all the meth amphetamy. Yeah,

448
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 1: and also like a Tyler Tyler lob. The guy that

449
00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 1: got into a who got shot during a drunking fight

450
00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: was like was in like a Zanex club when that happened.

451
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 1: So like come on, like, come on, come on, buddy, Like, yeah,

452
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: medicinal drugs don't count, bro. Yeah. Um, but like they

453
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,760
Speaker 1: actually a series about the whole um stranger stranger thing

454
00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 1: in terms of like in terms of propaganda at least,

455
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: um yeah. Yeah, and it's definitely like that's a pretty

456
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,359
Speaker 1: common stream among Nazis, Like you have to keep yourself

457
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: pure and healthy for the race. Yeah yeah. Speaking of propaganda,

458
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: Ran themselves relied heavily on social media propaganda for recruiting.

459
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: They would often produce videos of them doing combat training

460
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 1: or working out for the SPLC, the Southern Property Law Center. Um.

461
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:55,320
Speaker 1: Their promotional media is quote targeted towards men who find

462
00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 1: the idea of a real world fight club appealing. White

463
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: supremacy supplies and justification for violence, and ultimately this group

464
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,480
Speaker 1: has been about street fighting, um, which I don't fully

465
00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 1: agree with the last part there. I spent way way

466
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: too much time reading about RAM and watching their videos

467
00:26:09,560 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 1: this past like two weeks, um, and they absolutely care

468
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 1: about wite supremacy maybe above all else. UM. But I

469
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 1: can see truth, elements of truth in this sentiment. Um.

470
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: And we'll come back to this topic later. We talk

471
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 1: about RAMS co founder Robert Runda Moore, because I think

472
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: there is definitely a little bit of that violence above

473
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,639
Speaker 1: everything in him. But I mean it is very you know,

474
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:31,919
Speaker 1: there's there is a lot of white supremacy. It's not

475
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: it's not just finding a justification for violence. It is

476
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: also they just really care about white supremacy. Back to

477
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: back to social media propaganda, um, from from from from

478
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:44,479
Speaker 1: the remem account, they would post videos, pictures, and memes

479
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: posting over the people they beat up, usually showcasing footage

480
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: or photos of the assaults. And of course this would

481
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 1: all kind of This wasn't a great idea. I mean,

482
00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,160
Speaker 1: it was good for recruiting, but this would absolutely contribute

483
00:26:57,200 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: to their um downfall um because you know, they're just

484
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: bragging about all the crimes they're doing and very explicit detail. Um.

485
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: So the ironic thing is that they stress that people quote,

486
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 1: get offline and get active and to quit NonStop meming

487
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 1: despite their incriminating, NonStop meming about the people that they've

488
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 1: beat up and they and their NonStop producing and propaganda videos,

489
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:22,560
Speaker 1: which I mean I get yeah, yeah, I know you

490
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 1: need to recruit and stuff, but you know when you

491
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: have such a such a they have such a such

492
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: a focus on, like the getting offline type of thing,

493
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: despite their heavily mostly online presence um to for for recruiting.

494
00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:41,360
Speaker 1: Another gab gab post from January says, uh, a new

495
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: year and a new direction for the alt right. Time

496
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: to leave behind the online memes and countless our ship

497
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 1: posting and act like we really do want a world

498
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,240
Speaker 1: that exists beyond discord. It's an etty websites, train organize,

499
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: get active, repeat, So I mean, I get it right

500
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,399
Speaker 1: that they want to recruit new members and to get

501
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,720
Speaker 1: away from the right. It's kind of Keyboard Warrior gamer

502
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: Gate kind of history. They're not the ones who like

503
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,120
Speaker 1: being associated with fucking pep's and ship. No, they find

504
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: it very annoying, um. And they find a lot of

505
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: people spend that too much time doing that instead of

506
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 1: beating up children in the streets or killing Jewish people

507
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,840
Speaker 1: or whatever. Um. So be like this type of propaganda

508
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 1: is the easiest way to encourage and influence people to

509
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 1: take real world action. But I still appreciate the irony

510
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: and the complete lack of security culture that they have,

511
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: UM in terms of NonStop posting about people they've beat up,

512
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: like they would they would constantly make memes about the

513
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: people that they like be beat up in the streets,

514
00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,160
Speaker 1: like NonStop. It was. It's amazing, and it's I mean,

515
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 1: part of that is like it's silly that they did that,

516
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: But it's not as unwise as I guess it might seem,

517
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: because again, the cops never went after those people for

518
00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: a long time along time, I mean the cops never did.

519
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:52,720
Speaker 1: They got in tob with the with the FBI later,

520
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:55,560
Speaker 1: but we'll let we'll let we'll talk about why. But yeah,

521
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,040
Speaker 1: it's that there's a reason in general why they're right

522
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: is so bad at security culture, and it's because the

523
00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 1: cops tend to like them. Yeah, yeah, it doesn't. Yeah.

524
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: Um So, in the vein of like moving beyond online

525
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 1: posting and into real real world action, it's time to

526
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: discuss what RAM actually did at rallies. Um and who

527
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 1: these and who these people are? Um so. Rams public

528
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:24,000
Speaker 1: debut was in March at a MAGA rally in Huntington Beach, California.

529
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: At this point they were probably about a dozen people

530
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: and they were still calling themselves the d A D

531
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: D O I Division. UM. They held a massive banner

532
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 1: that read Defend America UM. Holding above it there was

533
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: a sign that that read uh dag do i um no,

534
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: which is a variance of of that phrase or a

535
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: popular anti anti Semitic phrase among the right. Um. I'm

536
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,960
Speaker 1: not gonna explain what it means, but believe you me,

537
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:49,240
Speaker 1: it's very anti semitic. Um so. At the Huntington Beach rally,

538
00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,360
Speaker 1: RAM members were the first ones to start fights with

539
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 1: anti fascists that soon turned into a very messy brawl.

540
00:29:54,840 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 1: UM fights initially started when a RAM member later identified

541
00:29:57,960 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 1: as Tyler Lobb, the same guy who got into a

542
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: drunken UM street fight and got shot at a Xanex club. Um,

543
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 1: the same guy. Um, he's he's he started stuff by

544
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: attacking a POC journalist and punched them repeatedly in the face.

545
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: Then RAM cout co founder Robert Undo, who also leads

546
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: all like their fight training. Um. He's predominantly seen in

547
00:30:19,280 --> 00:30:22,960
Speaker 1: the pictures unmasked UM and in videos pummeling a Black

548
00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: Block protester on the ground with his fists and elbows.

549
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 1: Footage of the attack becomes a meme for the alt

550
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: right and is used heavily in recruitment propaganda. UM. At

551
00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,640
Speaker 1: this time, we have terrible nicknames being given to a

552
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: whole bunch of right wing kind of street people. So

553
00:30:38,400 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: he got nicknamed Based elbow Man, which is very stupid. UM.

554
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: But you know again this is used for meming and

555
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: propaganda and recruiting, UM, despite clear evidence. Yeah it's not

556
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: it's not fun. I mean, well, we're gonna will probably

557
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: got his nickname alongside such luminaries as Based Stickman. We

558
00:30:56,440 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 1: don't don't worry about. But we're talking about stick Man. Good.

559
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 1: I love Kyle Chapman, He's coming, don't worry. He ties

560
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 1: into RAM two. Everyone does, even even UM, even Joey

561
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:13,160
Speaker 1: Gibson ties into RAM at some point. It's great that

562
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: the names, the nicknames of all of these chudds, who

563
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: are only noteworthy for hitting people in the face and

564
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 1: not getting arrested, will be stuck in my head unto

565
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: legend of my days that I don't know the name

566
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,040
Speaker 1: of I don't know, like the sniper who tried to

567
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,280
Speaker 1: kill me. It's very, very fun. I love America. Despite

568
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: clear evidence of the assault, please do not rust, Please

569
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 1: do not arrest Rondo, nor would he ever face city

570
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: or stage charges. Um no, I would he yeah? Um. Alternatively,

571
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 1: police were quick to arrest three anti fascists and Huntington

572
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: Beach who defended themselves from them defended themselves, POC journalists

573
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,760
Speaker 1: and others from RAMS attacks. The three anti fascists were

574
00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:55,520
Speaker 1: charged with quote felony a legal use of pepper spray.

575
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: M hmmm, yeah, that'll really fun. Yet that peppers ray.

576
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:04,160
Speaker 1: They charge with the felony for music pepper spray for

577
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:10,200
Speaker 1: defending themselves against Nazis. Um thankfully, yeah, thankfully Three months later,

578
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,200
Speaker 1: the d A. The d A dropped the charges because

579
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: they were stupid. Um, yeah, because they were because it

580
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,239
Speaker 1: was lunacy. Yeah. But the police decided to arrest three.

581
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 1: I t fascists that day and let all the Nazis

582
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 1: go and charge them with their lives up with I mean,

583
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: like if it forever, if it gets dropped, but it

584
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:28,320
Speaker 1: sucks you up while those charges are on you, Like yeah,

585
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 1: I mean I just applied for citizenship, and if I

586
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: was ever charged with something it was dropped, I would

587
00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,520
Speaker 1: have to put that on my application. I was charged

588
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 1: with felony right at this one point. Cheers later dropped,

589
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,680
Speaker 1: but I still have to say that that that you

590
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: have to you have to put that in a lot

591
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 1: of stuff. It's terrible. That's why I'm glad you're much

592
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: faster than the cops. And I'm glad that I got

593
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: my stuff paper, all papers, all submitted now, um, which

594
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,600
Speaker 1: is which is good? Um? Anyway? Um. Felony illegal use

595
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: of pepper spray because maybe one of the funniest felonies

596
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,760
Speaker 1: that I've ever heard. Besides lost count of the number

597
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,360
Speaker 1: of people who have pepper sprayed me at rallies so

598
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,640
Speaker 1: many August twenty two alone, there was so much mace

599
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: in the air. Yeah, so I got I got maced

600
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: by DHS like four nights ago. They had giant they

601
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 1: had mace cannons. Yeah, yeah, they had supersokers. I would

602
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: constitute that a felody illegal use of pepper spray. But whatever. Anyway,

603
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: See it's been months since I've been maced by DHS.

604
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 1: Now you've got me jealous. It was great. Actually, the

605
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: tear gas was a little pleasant. It was a little

606
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,719
Speaker 1: nostalgic because because it was only a little bit and

607
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: it was it was it was almost fun, just just

608
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: a with So let let's flash flash forward to April fifteen.

609
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: It's like a month after this mega rally in Huntington Beach,

610
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: but April Berkeley, California. UM. This is when RAM first

611
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,719
Speaker 1: came under the eyes of anti fascist researchers. UM. This

612
00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: was the second big Berkeley rally with upwards of a

613
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: thousand people. UM. This is when RAMS started making connections

614
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: with other neo Nazi al right groups. Rammed themselves attended

615
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:08,240
Speaker 1: the rally with the neo Nazi quote race realist group

616
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Identity Europa UM and they actually like car pooled with

617
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: its leader and of an leader who is a former Marine,

618
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: Nathan Domingo. Which side note here, I always thought Domingo

619
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:21,919
Speaker 1: was like in his fourties or fifties because he looks

620
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:26,120
Speaker 1: very old, but he's like thirty four. It's shocking. I

621
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,840
Speaker 1: was so also cocaine, which they don't talk about because

622
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: they're a little too smart to usually talk about it.

623
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: But all of these guys are doing a funkload of blow,

624
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 1: especially the proud boys like it ages these motherfucker's. It's amazing.

625
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,160
Speaker 1: He was born in nineteen eighties six, which he looks

626
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 1: fifty years old. He's two years older than me. Shocking,

627
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 1: I was. I was very surprised anyway, Um ram car

628
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 1: pulled with this asshole, UM who's also who's also a

629
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,360
Speaker 1: convicted felon for doing a racist arm robbery of a

630
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: Middle Eastern cab driver, and he's also a former marine.

631
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:59,719
Speaker 1: Um Domingo got national tension on April fifteenth after footage

632
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: went viral of him sucker punching pound woman Um. This

633
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: not only turned Domingo into an alt right meme Sashiro,

634
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: it gave Identity Rope a lot of free press and

635
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:12,719
Speaker 1: led to a harassment campaign against the victim um mother

636
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: Jones reports quote. After the punching video went viral, the

637
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 1: right unleash a doxing campaign against the victim and her family,

638
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: publishing their home address, phone numbers, home address, and phone numbers. Online,

639
00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:25,839
Speaker 1: she received rape threats and other abuse and messages and

640
00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: images of pornography work that she'd done were turned into

641
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 1: memes and posted on her grandmother's Facebook page. So that's

642
00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:38,760
Speaker 1: not great that they assaulted someone and then uh harassed

643
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,960
Speaker 1: them online for a long time afterwards. Yeah. But in

644
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,839
Speaker 1: in said viral footage right behind Domingo, Um, you can

645
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 1: see a young man in a gray shirt have skull

646
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 1: mask shaved sides and black goggles with orange lenses. This

647
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 1: is Robert Bowman RAND member wearing what would become the

648
00:35:57,120 --> 00:36:01,440
Speaker 1: RAM uniform gray active where skullman ask goggles and that

649
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: Richard Spencer haircut. UM members would also usually have their

650
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 1: hands taped up m M A style. Uh. Earlier that day,

651
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 1: RAM co founder Robert Rundo attacked anti fascist demonstrators after

652
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: they insulted him about skipping leg days at the gym.

653
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: So okay, well, he's right on that you never insulted

654
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: man squads. So so some teenagers insulted him about his

655
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: leg about him him not doing leave days, and then

656
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 1: also apparently they insulted him for having a presumably small

657
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: penis um Triggered by the jokes, Rundo crossed over police

658
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 1: barricades and started attacking random people. I bet he suffered

659
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: serious legal consequences for breaking across the police arricade to

660
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: assault people. Rundo was briefly arrested and then let go

661
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: the same day, released without charges. UM, oh cool, why

662
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: would you charge? No? Like he he went over a

663
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:00,120
Speaker 1: police barricade to beat up teenagers after they insulted his leg.

664
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: I don't know how to respond to this without being petty.

665
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: So that's but I love how often police have like

666
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 1: shoved and threatened us with the rest for standing in

667
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: a street instead of a sidewalk when the street was

668
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: closed to traffic. Um, but he gets to charge across

669
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:21,239
Speaker 1: a police barricade and punch people. It's fucking rules America. Um.

670
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: If the anti racist Action article points out quote, Rundo's

671
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: actions clearly show it desired to not only escalate the

672
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 1: situation to violence, but also desired to physically provoke an

673
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 1: attack anti fascists at all costs. Um. Nathan Demingo of

674
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: Identity Europo was also never arrested or charged over his

675
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: assaulting of a very small woman. Um, despite bragging about it.

676
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 1: On like mainstream news outlets, like he bragged about his

677
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: his assault and nothing ever happened to him because again

678
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:51,720
Speaker 1: why um. Later that day, other RAND members, including Tim Gillen,

679
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 1: Robert Bellman, Spencer Curry, and co founder Benjamin Daily can

680
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 1: be seen in their M uniform assaulting various anti fascists

681
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,720
Speaker 1: and then bragging about it on social media while posting

682
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 1: pictures of the attacks. Um what what? What? What made

683
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: RAM different in these street brawls was their ability to

684
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: attack as a unit because they all trained together on

685
00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 1: a weekly basis, Like they actually you know, like they

686
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,640
Speaker 1: actually did physical combat training together. Um. So like they

687
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: they attacked not as just individuals, but they attacked as

688
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: a group. Um. They're described by ProPublica as quote fighting

689
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 1: as a pack. Whilst attacking someone. RAND member Robert Bowman

690
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: got pepper sprayed in the face with his goggles down. Um,

691
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 1: and then he was ushered a wave out. He was

692
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: ushered to safety by Joey Gibson above patriot prayers A

693
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: fun a little tie in um for people in the

694
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. That that Yeah, so Joey Gibson saved one

695
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,960
Speaker 1: of the RAM people after getting pepper sprayed, even though

696
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 1: he had goggles, they just weren't on. I guess I

697
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:52,520
Speaker 1: don't know. Um, but yeah, this whole whole fighting is

698
00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: the pack thing which made them a little bit more

699
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: formidable in combat versus like the Proud Boys, which generally

700
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: do not attack as a group and they mainly attack

701
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:03,359
Speaker 1: us intivid jewels. UM. So that that that's what made

702
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,919
Speaker 1: them a little bit more effective in combat. Um. We

703
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 1: we still have a few more Nazi crossovers to get to,

704
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: hear um. At the Berkeley rally, Ram also teamed up

705
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:17,799
Speaker 1: with white nationalist videographer and live streamer Vincent James Fox UM.

706
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 1: Vincent woodstream the ra rallies via YouTube and his website. UM.

707
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: Vincent previously was friendly with Ram at the Hunting to

708
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: Beach rally. Um he's the one that dubbed Rundo as

709
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: based elbow man. Great Vincent James would not only happily

710
00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: cover these far right tacks, he would also like incite them.

711
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:37,919
Speaker 1: He can be heard yelling get the fucking cock as

712
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: five Round members jump a Black Block protester and began

713
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: beating on them. So basically, the guy with the video

714
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: camera would like be behind Ram people you like point

715
00:39:44,840 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: out different people to attack, and then ran would attack

716
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 1: that person, and then they would go back and tack

717
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 1: someone else. Um. After after rallies, Vincent would make propaganda

718
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:56,759
Speaker 1: videos for RAM UM and he hands them all of

719
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: his footage for RAM to make their own videos and

720
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,719
Speaker 1: memes and stuff. So we had they had. They had

721
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,239
Speaker 1: like this kind of like relationship circle here for like

722
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,319
Speaker 1: they would protect him at a rally and he would

723
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: give them footage to do propaganda stuff with. Um. Yeah

724
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:13,960
Speaker 1: not not not not great again. No, none of these

725
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 1: people really got in trouble for this with the city

726
00:40:16,040 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: police or state police at all, and they would only

727
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: get in trouble like many years later after like dozens

728
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: of articles are posted about them, you know, beating up

729
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: random people, and even still their charges miniscule compared to

730
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 1: what anti fascists get. The thing that is should be

731
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,600
Speaker 1: clear to everyone about the Nazis is that, like this

732
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: current swarm of Nazis that are about to descend on

733
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,479
Speaker 1: the will have descended on d C for the third

734
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,680
Speaker 1: time by the time this this episode air's is that,

735
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:44,399
Speaker 1: like if one of two things had happened, either one

736
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 1: the first time they beat up a bunch of people,

737
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: several of them had received serious felony charges and had

738
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,839
Speaker 1: been prosecuted, or if the first time they had come

739
00:40:51,840 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 1: out to beat up a bunch of people, they had

740
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,439
Speaker 1: been surrounded by a swarm of counter demonstrators and pummeled. Um,

741
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,279
Speaker 1: they would not have kept coming out, and none of

742
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 1: this would still be a problem. It would have looked

743
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:03,279
Speaker 1: like ship for them, and they wouldn't have kept going

744
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: out into the street because it wouldn't have been there there.

745
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,479
Speaker 1: Like the fact that they were not um, the fact

746
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 1: that they were able to continue doing this and have

747
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,960
Speaker 1: positive experiences getting to beat people up, getting it on video,

748
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,759
Speaker 1: getting their fun nicknames, getting shipped go viral, and they

749
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 1: didn't suffer consequences from law enforcement, and they weren't there

750
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: just weren't enough people at a lot of these rallies

751
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: to like really beat them into the fucking ground, or

752
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: if there were, the cops stopped them from doing it.

753
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:29,600
Speaker 1: Like that's why they're still here. That's why this is

754
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: still a problem. Very frustrating. Yeah, still still a problem. Um,

755
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: it's it's going to be for for at least a while. Still. UM.

756
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: Eagle eyed anti fascists noticed ram CO founder Ben Dailey

757
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,400
Speaker 1: doing a particular salute at the Berkeley rally. UM A

758
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 1: closed fist Roman salute that moves and that moves into

759
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: an X with both arms and both fists clenched, which

760
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: is from a history NERD. Yeah, so I know, I

761
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,040
Speaker 1: mentioned Homiskins a few times already. We've I guess we

762
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 1: we've already kind of um talked about them a little bit.

763
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: But they're there. They're considered to be the largest or

764
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: most widespread Nazia skin hood organization. UM. They have numerous

765
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: ties to brutal white supremacists, assault, speedings, and murders. UM

766
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: twelve of a coach, fully patched hammer skin member, UM

767
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 1: an Army veterans. If you see a pattern here, I

768
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 1: keep mentioning all a lot of these people are in

769
00:42:22,080 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: the Marines, are in the Army because this is a

770
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: pattern here. UM, but fully patch hammer skan member and

771
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 1: an Army veteran, Wade Michael Page massacre at six people

772
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: inside a sick temple inside a Sikh temple in Wisconsin.

773
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,600
Speaker 1: UM in in a yeah, so he he what this

774
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 1: is the Yeah, twenty twelve six people died in this attack.

775
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 1: There's been about probably like a it's been like around

776
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 1: like a dozen other hammer skin murders UM. In the

777
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 1: past few decades across UH the globe, um Ben Dalien

778
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: Rams started actively recruiting hammer Skin members um Uh, Skylar,

779
00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:03,959
Speaker 1: seig Burg whatever stupid name UM, Matthew brands to letter

780
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:07,520
Speaker 1: also dumb name, and Spencer Curry. Anyway, there's three three

781
00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 1: three three noted hammerskins and anti fascists have like repeatedly

782
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 1: identified joined RAM into seen UM with Skyler and Spencer

783
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,319
Speaker 1: being part of a hammer skin band, because again, these

784
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:19,560
Speaker 1: are the type of Nazis that have like quote quote

785
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: quote unquote punk bands, which you know any punk will

786
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 1: say is actually, you know it's not punk, it's anti punk. Um, yeah,

787
00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:28,520
Speaker 1: you kind of can't be punk, and also in favor

788
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,839
Speaker 1: of the state using massive force two institute genocide that's

789
00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: not super not really punk. Yeah. Yeah. So like these

790
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,960
Speaker 1: people were in like you know, skinhead bands, and a

791
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: Matt Bronze Setter or whatever his stupid name is UM

792
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: and an accomplice beat UH beat a Jewish man unconscious

793
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: and robbed him in Orange County Park back in twenty eleven,

794
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: which was like a noted like Hammerskin attack. So like

795
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: the same guy now active in RAM and all these

796
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 1: guys are like in their twenties now, right, So this

797
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 1: this is they they're they're not like old guys. They're

798
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,399
Speaker 1: like they were doing this as teens and they're doing

799
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 1: you know, and they were doing stuff like ram in

800
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: their twenties. They're still they're still in their twenties. Um

801
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: Brand Stater or whatever his name is, was convicted of

802
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,399
Speaker 1: aggravated assault and with the hate car enhancement and sent

803
00:44:16,440 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: to prison for twenty months for beating this Jewish man

804
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 1: unconscious back again, back back in like um. The anti race,

805
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: anti racist action article notes quote many of these individuals,

806
00:44:27,600 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: such as Skylar also connected with Neonazi members of groups

807
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 1: such as the Golden State Skinheads, who estabbed six anti

808
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,200
Speaker 1: fascists and anti racist protesters in Sacramento, UM in uh

809
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: June of like under the banner of the Traditional Workers Party, UM,

810
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 1: Traditionalist Workers Party. So it's clear that, yeah, it's clear.

811
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:49,359
Speaker 1: It's clear that the Day Division, as it's known back then,

812
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: is a political collective of working hard to bridge the

813
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: gap between the more Internet based al Right brand of

814
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: white nationalism just targeted to appeal to a younger which

815
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: generally educated, upper class white man and the more traditional

816
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: boots and they ground and street violence tactics characterized by

817
00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: neo Nazi skinhead politics. So again they're trying to kind

818
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: of bridge this gap between kind of getting into the

819
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: street and doing fighting. Will also still recruiting young people online. Um,

820
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:14,880
Speaker 1: which is why I am particularly concerned with what this

821
00:45:15,120 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, what a similar organization could do in the

822
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: next few years. Um. So after this big rally in Berkeley,

823
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: um uh Ram also connected with far right figure Kyle

824
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 1: Chapman um, who I don't know. I don't know if

825
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: he deserves his own Bastard's episode because he's just incredibly stupid,

826
00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: but this is he just like he punches people a lot. Yeah,

827
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: this is basic. He was part of the Proud Boys

828
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 1: for a little bit. He started the Fraternal Order of

829
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,000
Speaker 1: the Old Nights again super nerves. Like it's like like

830
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: Ram actually hates all these people, like Ronder will talk

831
00:45:49,320 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: about this like he hates nerds, right, So it's very

832
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 1: funny to watch his videos because I'll be insulting all

833
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 1: these like idiots who are like Lar Big. It's very funny. Um.

834
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: But yeah, this Kyle did this Fraternal Order of the

835
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: Old Nights. Um. He started a resist Marxism was turning

836
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,640
Speaker 1: into super happy fun America, which did that Boston Straight

837
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,879
Speaker 1: Pride parade. All the same guy who basically was behind

838
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:15,600
Speaker 1: all these things. He's very very funny. UM, also very dangerous. UM.

839
00:46:15,640 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: And also I think more recently of Proud Boy stuff,

840
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 1: but that's a known at the moment. Um. Yeah, Couchatman

841
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:24,560
Speaker 1: all this stuff. He got connected with Ram after the

842
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:27,600
Speaker 1: Berkeley rally. UM and the next few months, Ram also

843
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: connected with various other people affiliated with the Proud Boys,

844
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: including Juan cavitid a Ka, Johnny Benneatz um and quote

845
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: Luke based Skywalker Dennis, which I find offensive as as

846
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:46,160
Speaker 1: I Luke Skywalker fan, I don't appreciate that. Um. But

847
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:48,520
Speaker 1: these are all Proud Boys noted for beating up people

848
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: in streets during the same time. UM, so they all

849
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,120
Speaker 1: they they all got acquainted. UM. In the spring and summer,

850
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:58,360
Speaker 1: Ram and the Proud Boys would put on little like

851
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 1: monthly get togethers on the different like California beaches. UM.

852
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: One of these meetups was named America First, remembering the

853
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: victims of illegals and refugees. UM. It's like they would

854
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 1: just do like basically monthly beach parties with the beach

855
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,200
Speaker 1: first of all, Like they all live at the beach,

856
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: like had like Robert Undo had, like a beachside house.

857
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 1: I mean, and there's a conversation to be said about

858
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 1: some of the intersections of fascism and surfer culture, like

859
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,320
Speaker 1: it is. It is a thing that's been written about.

860
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: Yeah that that math does add up, but I don't

861
00:47:37,719 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Very frustrating, very frustrating. Which is great because

862
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: when we had a not super Nazi, but like a

863
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:49,240
Speaker 1: noted all right figure from Portland's moved to a beach

864
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 1: town like last year, and then Andy fascists got her

865
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: fired from her job at the beaches. Yeah, and she

866
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:58,800
Speaker 1: was like working at the Safeway bakery and she got fired.

867
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: She got she got fired because she took a leave

868
00:48:02,239 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: of absence because they were giving any worker who was

869
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: scared of the coronavirus a leaf of absence, and she

870
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: took a leave of absence claiming she was scared of

871
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: the virus, and then immediately organized an anti mask rally

872
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 1: um in the same Yeah, it's it's great, it's good. Yeah,

873
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: you know what else is great and good and hopefully

874
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: helps keep us employed. Robert highball No Shot four nine

875
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:30,640
Speaker 1: in hospital Bleach with Yeah, now you want to drink

876
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: it real fast, you can get a second one in

877
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: you as quick as possible. It's the doubling up that

878
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: really makes it work. I'll take I'll take some notes. Yeah, Garrison,

879
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: you're you're a growing man. You know you need a

880
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 1: four o nine cocktails. You do not need that. You're

881
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,360
Speaker 1: particularly done my coffee, And that means it's time to

882
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,959
Speaker 1: listen to these maybe coffee ads from maybe a Oh yeah,

883
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 1: I hope we get another Black Rifle. I swear to

884
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: God if we get a nice another Black Rifle coffee, yet,

885
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: I will the only coffee company that's been repeatedly forced

886
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:06,400
Speaker 1: to disavow Kyle Rittenhouse because he likes their product, and

887
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 1: has also been attacked by its primary customers for disavow

888
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: and Kyle Rittenhouse because they made their brand fascism coffee?

889
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 1: Are you tired of masturbating with a cup of normal

890
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: coffee while watching watching Hitler speeches? In that case, by

891
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: Black Rifle coffee, the only coffee that makes sense to

892
00:49:23,760 --> 00:49:28,840
Speaker 1: masturbate to Hitler too, Thank you, Black Rifle. I resign

893
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 1: here we go. Well, that was a great coffee. Thanks

894
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: Robert for sending me my Christmas coffee. Um this year. Anyway,

895
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: we're back from the ad break and I did not

896
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 1: get black Rifle coffee because it probably seems terrible. Um,

897
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: we drink death wish coffee in this house. You have

898
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: not given us money. But who I quite like you

899
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: know what I miss? Robert is going to the beach

900
00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:00,600
Speaker 1: to look at the ocean, um, which Nazis got to

901
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:04,080
Speaker 1: do a lot with it with the Proud Boys, um.

902
00:50:04,120 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: Which is weird because you know, Graham was very like

903
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: openly Nazi at this point, and Gavin McGinnis was still

904
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: trying to get convince people that he that his gang

905
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 1: wasn't racist or fascist at this point. Um. And you

906
00:50:16,719 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 1: know McGinnis would insist neo Nazis don't exist anymore. There's

907
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:21,839
Speaker 1: a bit it's it's it's it's a bit too hard

908
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: depart when Ram was doing monthly beach hang out with

909
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: with the Proud Boys. So real interesting thing there, um.

910
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: But an observation that the antiras section article makes is

911
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 1: um quote. What's clear is that both these groups need

912
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 1: each other. The Proud Boys need the numbers and muscle

913
00:50:40,040 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 1: of the of the neo Nazis, where the neo Nazis

914
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:45,120
Speaker 1: need the cover of the pro Trump groups. I think

915
00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:48,600
Speaker 1: it's a really good UM observation at this time in

916
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:51,560
Speaker 1: you know, for for for how this was kind of

917
00:50:51,600 --> 00:50:54,320
Speaker 1: a symbiotic relationship that they kind of both needed to

918
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:59,080
Speaker 1: survive at the time. UM speaking speaking of Nazis. At

919
00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 1: the beach, um back in back in Huntington Beach and

920
00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: maybe seen Red members gathered around a beach fire at

921
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,839
Speaker 1: a at a at a at a public beach, mix

922
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: the ocean with a splastica son and rad and iron

923
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 1: cross and cultic rooms for scribble lunch of the fire

924
00:51:14,120 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: pits Huntington Beach is so nice. This is so And

925
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: they were also flying an American, a Confederate and iron

926
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:31,959
Speaker 1: cross and a black sun flag requa garrison. I can't

927
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:38,600
Speaker 1: care whatever anyway, we all we're all flying. So what

928
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 1: what do you um? So unmasked RAND members are seeing Uh,

929
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 1: Tim Gellen and Ben Dailey are seen the pictures. Um,

930
00:51:44,680 --> 00:51:47,759
Speaker 1: So what do you think these free speech crusaders are

931
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: doing near a big beach fire in the middle of

932
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: the day. What what do you what do you think?

933
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: What do you think they're They're up to I don't know,

934
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:59,240
Speaker 1: maybe burning crosses. They're doing a burning burning. Oh good, okay,

935
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: what book do you because I have the script, I

936
00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 1: am your overlord? What what book do you think that?

937
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:07,359
Speaker 1: What do you think that that? What do you think

938
00:52:07,400 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: they're burning? Oh? Geez? What book? Would then this is

939
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:15,920
Speaker 1: the game? Oh man, there's there's like five right answers.

940
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:22,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, okay, I'm I don't know. I really

941
00:52:22,719 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 1: don't know. There's too many possibilities catcher in their eye. No,

942
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 1: they probably like that book, actually, Robert More, I think

943
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:36,279
Speaker 1: more fucked. What's like looks like something that like is

944
00:52:36,360 --> 00:52:39,320
Speaker 1: really fucked. What's something that twenty year old neo Nazis

945
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:41,440
Speaker 1: are going to burn at the beach? Oh? Probably like

946
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:47,439
Speaker 1: the Torah? Maybe? But anyway, among the books being tossed

947
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: in the fire were Um and Frank's The Diary of

948
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: a Young Girl. Yeah, that makes sense. It's a novelization

949
00:52:57,040 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: of Sinless listep so the novelistation. Okay, that's creative of

950
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:08,800
Speaker 1: the Jewish. Uh, the Jewish book of why um, cultural pluralism,

951
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,879
Speaker 1: um traffon Hitler's Hell. And also they burned the nine

952
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: eleven Commission report. But wow, that makes sense, because you

953
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:20,839
Speaker 1: don't have to be a Nazi to know the jet

954
00:53:20,840 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: fuel can't melt steel beams. Uh but yeah, um, they weren't.

955
00:53:25,800 --> 00:53:28,160
Speaker 1: At least twenty other books though that they deemed culturally

956
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:32,319
Speaker 1: Marxist or Jewish enough to be burned. Um. So yeah,

957
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: they had theirselves and a little a little book burning

958
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:37,120
Speaker 1: in May on the beach, flying a black sun flag

959
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,880
Speaker 1: back when no one knew what a black sun flag was. Like,

960
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 1: I still, I'll still a lot a lot of people don't. Um,

961
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,799
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's what they were doing. Shooter put on

962
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,879
Speaker 1: his body armor. Yeah, I mean, I'll mention this later,

963
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:53,000
Speaker 1: but Robert Rundo eventually gets a black sun elbow tattoo.

964
00:53:55,239 --> 00:54:00,279
Speaker 1: Okay cool. Yeah anyway, Um, quick quick run down to

965
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:06,880
Speaker 1: some of Ram's activities pre pre AUGUSTE. UM. Well, Los Angeles,

966
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,359
Speaker 1: California May Feet members attended the May Day actions, hoping

967
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: to get into fights with left wing activists. UM. San Bernardino,

968
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: California June members participated in a quote anti Sharia law

969
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: protest in protesting a bill that would make quote property

970
00:54:24,120 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: protesting in support of a bill that would make a

971
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: quote practicing Sharia law illegal. It's just very very dumb. Um,

972
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: that's not how laws work. UM. They held signs that

973
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:41,200
Speaker 1: read rape fugees, stay away, not welcome. UM. Another sign

974
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 1: that was like defend America, Islamists out. UM. Within that

975
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,880
Speaker 1: that that that depicted a lance lance wielding crusaders on

976
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: horseback chasing away fleeing Muslims. So that's that's that's in June. UM.

977
00:54:56,520 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: So not super historically accurate because let's just say crusader

978
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: cavalry didn't have shipped on saladine. M. But I don't

979
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: think people really care about history, that about what happened

980
00:55:09,239 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 1: during the actual Yeah, not really um. Uh. Tourist California

981
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: July seen remembers hung a quote secure Borders, Secure Future

982
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:27,040
Speaker 1: banner over the UH one ten highway or freeway. I

983
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,399
Speaker 1: don't know how to say local local. You know, there's

984
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: like certain ways to say the numbers. You were you

985
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 1: were cool and hippy, dude, I know all the California

986
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:47,239
Speaker 1: highways now allowed further south than reading. UM and uh.

987
00:55:47,600 --> 00:55:52,280
Speaker 1: Finally um. And also in July seventeen in in Santa Monica,

988
00:55:52,400 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 1: remembers attempted to disrupt a Committee for Racial Justice meeting. UM.

989
00:55:57,560 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: Also at the time, a lot of remembers were working

990
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 1: at a tree trimming business that was run by Benjamin Daily,

991
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: so like they were all working at their gang. Yeah yeah,

992
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:14,520
Speaker 1: Um it's fun looking. I mean their business is currently

993
00:56:14,520 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: shut down because Benjamin Daily is currently in prison for

994
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:22,239
Speaker 1: things he will do later. Um, but um, it's fun

995
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:24,200
Speaker 1: going to you can get but his yelth page is

996
00:56:24,200 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: still up so you like read reviews of like people

997
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 1: saying hey, you're a fucking Nazi um, and he's like, oh,

998
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:35,520
Speaker 1: how rude that is. Yeah, it's real, real, stupid, real dumb. Um.

999
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 1: So anyway, this this leads up to August seen and

1000
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: the Unite the Right rally. UM. At this point, rain

1001
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: Ramp claimed to have over fifty members, although it was

1002
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 1: way more likely they had around end of fifteen guys.

1003
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: And we're just lying about their numbers to make them

1004
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,920
Speaker 1: seems seem bigger than what they actually were. Um. But

1005
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 1: due to their social media presence, UM, they had gained

1006
00:56:58,520 --> 00:57:01,840
Speaker 1: a national reputation as like an intense white supremacist street

1007
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:05,839
Speaker 1: fighter group. Uh. Tim Gellen and Ben Daily are front

1008
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 1: and center in one of the most widely circulated photos

1009
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: of the Tiki Torch rally. They're like, right, there you

1010
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 1: can see, you can see their little little faces because

1011
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: they have both have they both have very unique heads UM.

1012
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, they're they're frontal center UM. On August eleventh

1013
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: and the night before you know, the big the big

1014
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 1: day on August twelve UM, both men Gillen and Daily

1015
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: had a gun charges from actually Um and Gilan had

1016
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 1: been jailed for a legal possession of an unserialized tanggun

1017
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:38,920
Speaker 1: and Daily was arrested and convicted of illegally carrying a

1018
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 1: concealed snub nosed UH seven magnum revolver. So they both

1019
00:57:44,080 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 1: these guys here apparently had gun charges. So I don't

1020
00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: think they were carrying at this time, but a lot

1021
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,760
Speaker 1: of people made that note. So I'm like, okay, I

1022
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: guess I'll put it into sure, and a lot of people,

1023
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys who can't legally carry or

1024
00:57:57,360 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: own guns still do because again the police very rarely

1025
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,680
Speaker 1: punished them for breaking the law. Yeah, so these guys

1026
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 1: were chanting, you know, you will not replace us choos

1027
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:11,560
Speaker 1: A lot replaces Chance Um alongside fellow remember Cole White,

1028
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 1: unfortunate name for a Nazi UM and hundreds of other

1029
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 1: UM young man. So they were there was. There was

1030
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 1: at least three or four people from RAM there that night.

1031
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 1: UM of chanting UH. The RE members in Charlottesville participated

1032
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,920
Speaker 1: the attacking the anti racist, anti fascist protesters at the

1033
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: University of Virginia campus when the hundreds of Nazis surrounded

1034
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:35,640
Speaker 1: a few dozen people holding an anti racist banner. So

1035
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,880
Speaker 1: the RAM was a part of the attack on the

1036
00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:42,080
Speaker 1: people in front of the statue that night. UM. The

1037
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,880
Speaker 1: next day, August twelve, at the main Unite the Right event,

1038
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: at least four remembers were present and can be seen

1039
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 1: attacking anti fascist counter protesters starting very early on in

1040
00:58:51,080 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: the day. UM. When I was, I mean, I was

1041
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 1: looking through old footage for this for writing, and I

1042
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: was able to actually, like I was, I I've been

1043
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 1: reading enough about these guys and watching enough other videos

1044
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 1: that I was like able to like pick out people

1045
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: just like just with my own eyes without having to

1046
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 1: pause or anything. I can like track certain people throughout

1047
00:59:05,240 --> 00:59:07,840
Speaker 1: the crowd because they were very active in beating up

1048
00:59:07,840 --> 00:59:11,640
Speaker 1: a lot of people. UM on on August twelve, UM,

1049
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: Ben Daily, Tim Gellen, Um Cold White, and Michael miss Less,

1050
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: UM all these guys were attacking people this day. UM

1051
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:23,800
Speaker 1: the ladder, which is also a documented attacking people back

1052
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:27,560
Speaker 1: in Berkeley. Um. Uh, that's Michael miss Less, who is

1053
00:59:27,600 --> 00:59:30,760
Speaker 1: also a PhD student at the u c l A

1054
00:59:31,160 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: and possessed government security clearance for work on sensitive research

1055
00:59:34,560 --> 00:59:39,560
Speaker 1: at defense contractor Northrop Grunman. UM. So that's good. It's

1056
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:44,480
Speaker 1: not like that. It's not it's not it's not ideal

1057
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:47,920
Speaker 1: at least it's at least it's not our dear friends

1058
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: over at that would really break my heart. But Raytheon

1059
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:54,560
Speaker 1: is still pure and one of the best LGBT employers

1060
00:59:54,560 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: in the nation because at ray Theon, we don't care

1061
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: what you believe or who you love. We just care

1062
00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: that you will to make a missile guidance chip that

1063
01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:03,600
Speaker 1: we can use to detonate a school bus and yeomen

1064
01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,600
Speaker 1: filled with thirty three children. That's all that matters to Raytheon.

1065
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,920
Speaker 1: And I think that's beautiful. I think it's beautiful. Garrison.

1066
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe you can given a good word for Michael

1067
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: uh Misless. No, they won't hire or nazis it Raytheon? Um. Yeah.

1068
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:25,120
Speaker 1: So eventually he was fired from north gunn right what

1069
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:28,560
Speaker 1: following reporting of him, you know, being a Nazi. Um.

1070
01:00:28,600 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, kind of concerning. He had government security clearance

1071
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,080
Speaker 1: to work on like sensitive research. So that's not ideal.

1072
01:00:34,200 --> 01:00:37,480
Speaker 1: I don't like it, guys, I don't. I don't. So

1073
01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 1: after Unite the Right UM and the murder of Heather Higher,

1074
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 1: scrutinty was finally put on these new right groups. UM

1075
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 1: RAM leader interviewed by Republica stated that after August, he

1076
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: uh the group is coach trying to stay away from rallies,

1077
01:00:52,200 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: UM because you know, they killed somebody, um and beat

1078
01:00:58,880 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: up you know, dozens of other people. UM. So for

1079
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 1: over a year after Unite the Right, the only legal truggle,

1080
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: the only legal trouble RAM had gotten into was when

1081
01:01:07,400 --> 01:01:10,880
Speaker 1: uh Rob Rundo was briefly detained in Berkeley. But so

1082
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,920
Speaker 1: far they had faced no no, no actual consequences for

1083
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:17,800
Speaker 1: their assaults, despite bragging about them all over social media. Well,

1084
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,280
Speaker 1: that slowly started to change a little bit. UM. Between

1085
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:27,320
Speaker 1: October seventeen. October seventeen and August, UH pro Publica and

1086
01:01:27,320 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 1: PBS Frontline had begun reporting on RAM and their involvement

1087
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,160
Speaker 1: in the violent activities and violent attacks. UM. A lot

1088
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:39,200
Speaker 1: of the research UM done on RAM was first actually

1089
01:01:39,240 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 1: done and made public by North California Anti Racist Action

1090
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 1: UM and they're really good article that they put out

1091
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: on RAM from July twenty seventeen, which I've already quoted

1092
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:52,400
Speaker 1: from a lot UM And unfortunately, I mean ProPublica front

1093
01:01:52,440 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: Line did a good job getting this reporting out into

1094
01:01:54,440 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 1: the mainstream, but unfortunately most of their work is actually

1095
01:01:56,760 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 1: heavily plagiarized. UM between it's play drives mostly from all

1096
01:02:01,800 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 1: all the RAM stuff is played drives mostly from the

1097
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:08,240
Speaker 1: Anti Racist Action article UM and they also did stuff

1098
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: on Adam often which they played drized a lot of

1099
01:02:10,560 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: work from Jake han Ohan um on and I know,

1100
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: like a like Frontline one like Emmys for this work

1101
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 1: and stuff Perre initially left off the Yeah, it's very

1102
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:26,920
Speaker 1: frustrating and they stole most of this work actually, UM

1103
01:02:26,960 --> 01:02:30,720
Speaker 1: extremely frustrating, but it did get the reporting into like

1104
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,400
Speaker 1: the mainstream, so we got people upset about it, so

1105
01:02:33,440 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: that pressured the FBI to actually take some action. But

1106
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,320
Speaker 1: again they didn't really credit who did the actual work.

1107
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 1: And it's very very, very frustrating, but we will. Yeah,

1108
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: that's UM, I mean for for RAM North California, Anti

1109
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:49,320
Speaker 1: Anti Racist Action, UM did amazing, amazing work identifying all

1110
01:02:49,360 --> 01:02:53,880
Speaker 1: of these RAM people finding out lots of information about them. Um.

1111
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 1: They were they were like, I mean again, they all

1112
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:59,560
Speaker 1: did this like before before, like um, like before the

1113
01:03:00,560 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: Charottes VI rally, Like they did this before it was

1114
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 1: you know popular to start naming these people. Um, so great,

1115
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:12,680
Speaker 1: great work their guys. Um. So, with with a mounting

1116
01:03:12,680 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 1: evidence against RAM for multiple sources, including more and more

1117
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,760
Speaker 1: mainstream outlets, because I mean the Guardian and other you

1118
01:03:17,800 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 1: know articles from mainstream uh publications started you know, referring

1119
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: to the propublic of stuff. So like you know, it was,

1120
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: you know, it went through the cycle, Guardian, CNN, whatever. Um. So,

1121
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:33,040
Speaker 1: with meunting evidence, the FBI started to pay attention. Um.

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01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 1: On Tuesday, October two, So this is four hundred and

1123
01:03:37,800 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 1: sixteen days after the Unite the Right rally, the FBI

1124
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 1: arrested four RAND members for their rule in the violent

1125
01:03:43,720 --> 01:03:48,080
Speaker 1: August rally. So four hundred days after Unite the Right,

1126
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 1: FBI arrests for people. Um that's Ben Daily, Tim Gellen, Uh,

1127
01:03:52,840 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 1: Cole White, and Michael Misless uh propublic article uh quote

1128
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: quoting another propublic article post the attack, um quote that

1129
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: the four men were charged with having traveled to Charltsville

1130
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 1: with the aim of inciting a right and conspiracy to

1131
01:04:05,360 --> 01:04:08,360
Speaker 1: incite a riot, and prosecutors submitted an array of photographs

1132
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:11,800
Speaker 1: and videos capturing the men pummeling and choking protesters over

1133
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 1: the two days. UM. After after a few months, the

1134
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:18,960
Speaker 1: four men eventually all pleaded guilty, admitting their actions were

1135
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:21,800
Speaker 1: not in self defense. UM And in July th nineteen,

1136
01:04:22,120 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: three of the four men who pleaded guilty to federal

1137
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:27,560
Speaker 1: charges for their role in the violence UM were sent

1138
01:04:27,920 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: to prison, with terms ranging from twenty seven months to

1139
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,680
Speaker 1: thirty seven months. The fourth man, Kyle White, was let

1140
01:04:35,720 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: off easy for UM quickly cooperating with authorities and because

1141
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 1: he quote disavowed his hate Vali ideology. So he he

1142
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:49,800
Speaker 1: got to avoid federal prison for disavowing his his hate

1143
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 1: fl ideology. Yeah, only only serving seven months in like

1144
01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: a jail after his arrest, you know, but before the trial. UM.

1145
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I would disavow if I could,

1146
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:04,800
Speaker 1: if I could get me out of federal prison. But whatever. UM.

1147
01:05:04,840 --> 01:05:06,760
Speaker 1: But hey, three out of four Knatzies ain't bad. The

1148
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,240
Speaker 1: justice system prevails gay not Actually not so fast. UM.

1149
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: In late October, FBI brought charges against four other RAND members,

1150
01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:19,040
Speaker 1: including co founder Robert Rundo, Tyler Lob again, the the

1151
01:05:19,120 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 1: Zanex Drunken Fight guy, Um, Robert Bowman, and uh Aaron

1152
01:05:24,440 --> 01:05:26,000
Speaker 1: um Easan I don't know how to say his name,

1153
01:05:26,040 --> 01:05:29,760
Speaker 1: who cares Um, But the FBI brought charges against these

1154
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,280
Speaker 1: four guys for their involvement in the Mega rally in

1155
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,880
Speaker 1: Huntington's Beach. So this was like, I don't know, five

1156
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: hundred almost six hundred days after the Huntington Beach rally.

1157
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: Great work FBI, real timely. But you know, the FBI

1158
01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,880
Speaker 1: is bringing charges against teenagers with umbrellas in Portland, though

1159
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 1: at much faster rate. They're No, they're bringing charges for people,

1160
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 1: you know, in August. They brought charges for you know,

1161
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,240
Speaker 1: back in October, so it's like two months against that

1162
01:05:58,280 --> 01:06:02,560
Speaker 1: teenager with with an umbrella. So they're really on the

1163
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 1: on the on on the on the front line there.

1164
01:06:05,320 --> 01:06:07,800
Speaker 1: But it takes six hundred days to get the Nazis

1165
01:06:08,040 --> 01:06:15,840
Speaker 1: um too bright about their assaults anyway better than yah um. Yeah,

1166
01:06:15,960 --> 01:06:19,800
Speaker 1: So for for the people who got brought chargers against them, Um,

1167
01:06:20,040 --> 01:06:22,120
Speaker 1: for the for the hunting to Beach stuff, as well

1168
01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:24,560
Speaker 1: as the various others you know, events around the time

1169
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,040
Speaker 1: been daily and through the Red members were arrested in

1170
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 1: uh you know, so like the Charlotsville people were arrested

1171
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,520
Speaker 1: in like early October UM. Around the same time, Robert

1172
01:06:34,600 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 1: Rondo's house and Hunting to Beach got rated by the FBI,

1173
01:06:36,920 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: deploying flash bangs into his bedroom. But Rundall wasn't arrested

1174
01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:46,480
Speaker 1: that day. He was there, but they didn't arrest him,

1175
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 1: so they raided at his house. They're like, all right,

1176
01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,040
Speaker 1: we didn't find it. You think you're free to go? Um.

1177
01:06:52,160 --> 01:06:54,680
Speaker 1: Shortly after this, he typed to flee to He attempted

1178
01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,840
Speaker 1: to flee to Ukraine, where there's like a white national

1179
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:01,280
Speaker 1: still stronghold, but because of travel restrictions put on him

1180
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,200
Speaker 1: by American authorities, he got flagged as a Tier one

1181
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:08,440
Speaker 1: operator of domestic terrorism UM and so he was turned

1182
01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:12,080
Speaker 1: back to the US after tempt attempting to transfer flights

1183
01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,480
Speaker 1: in London. UM. Weeks later, he made his second attempt

1184
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 1: to flee. He walked across the border into Mexico and

1185
01:07:18,200 --> 01:07:20,400
Speaker 1: made his way to Al Salvador to quote take a

1186
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 1: vacation and see the beaches. UM. Late late later this month,

1187
01:07:25,160 --> 01:07:27,520
Speaker 1: while getting on a flight from Al Salvador to Argentina.

1188
01:07:27,720 --> 01:07:29,480
Speaker 1: He was arrested and sent back to the States. So

1189
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: he tried multiple times to flee to other countries UM

1190
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,640
Speaker 1: too because like he he he knew that like people

1191
01:07:35,680 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 1: were gonna come to get him eventually. UM. So he

1192
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,720
Speaker 1: tried to get away and did not do it very secesfully.

1193
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:44,920
Speaker 1: And to take a vacation. He wasn't. He wasn't fleeing.

1194
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: He was taking a vacation. Yeah, it's a good time

1195
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:55,000
Speaker 1: to take a vacation. Look, that's not bad. So three

1196
01:07:55,040 --> 01:07:57,040
Speaker 1: of the RAND members got arrested as well. This new

1197
01:07:57,120 --> 01:07:59,800
Speaker 1: group of rests follows similar charges as the previous set

1198
01:07:59,800 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: of arrests, citing felony rioting violations UM. This time, only

1199
01:08:05,600 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: one of the members pleaded guilty. This was Tyler Law.

1200
01:08:08,520 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: The other three did not plead guilty to the charges,

1201
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:14,600
Speaker 1: and in June of twenty nine, United States Drift United

1202
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:19,519
Speaker 1: States District Court Judge Cormack J. Kearney it's just a

1203
01:08:19,520 --> 01:08:22,679
Speaker 1: funny name, UM dropped all of the federal rioting charges

1204
01:08:23,360 --> 01:08:27,120
Speaker 1: UH for all of the RAND members UM in this

1205
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:30,200
Speaker 1: in this latest bout of arrests on the grounds that

1206
01:08:30,280 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 1: the statute used to prosecute the men infringed upon their

1207
01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:38,240
Speaker 1: First Timent rights to free speech. So the idea that

1208
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,760
Speaker 1: you can't assall people, UM and then brag about it,

1209
01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:46,040
Speaker 1: I guess was a violations First Amendment. UM Judge Judge Carney,

1210
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:49,000
Speaker 1: a conservative Republican appointed by George W. Bush, wrote the

1211
01:08:49,120 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 1: charges were unconstitutionally overbroad in violation of the First Amendment.

1212
01:08:52,720 --> 01:08:54,880
Speaker 1: It's easy to champion free speech when it advocates a

1213
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:57,080
Speaker 1: viewpoint in which we agree. It's much harder when the

1214
01:08:57,120 --> 01:09:00,280
Speaker 1: speech promotes ideas we find abhorrant. But an essential function

1215
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:02,479
Speaker 1: of free speech is to invite dispute. I don't care

1216
01:09:02,479 --> 01:09:04,800
Speaker 1: what idiots Antifa are. You're both young men. You don't

1217
01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:06,600
Speaker 1: want to be in custody for years. So that's just

1218
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:09,000
Speaker 1: speaking to Rundo and few other people being like, I

1219
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:10,519
Speaker 1: don't care if you want to be to Pantifa. You're

1220
01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: both young men. You should not be in prison for

1221
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: a long time. UM. So that's great that they were

1222
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:21,280
Speaker 1: let off the hook from that UM poor per court,

1223
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:25,439
Speaker 1: per court host news lawyers, UM. But Chorus is like

1224
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 1: a law website. I guess I don't know. UM. Lawyers

1225
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:33,559
Speaker 1: for RAM members stated the charges the men faced uh

1226
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: conspiracy to commit writing and travel or use of the

1227
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,439
Speaker 1: interstate commerce with intent to write do not pertain to

1228
01:09:39,439 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 1: the actual philosical fiscal violence that took place. The law

1229
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: can't go and suppress everyone's First Amendment rights, adding quote,

1230
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:48,040
Speaker 1: people who commit crimes will continue to be punished, which

1231
01:09:48,040 --> 01:09:51,959
Speaker 1: makes no sense because these people committed crimes and absolutely

1232
01:09:51,960 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: got punished in no way got let off. Um So

1233
01:09:55,640 --> 01:09:58,599
Speaker 1: in total, I guess four members of RAM got arrested

1234
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:01,080
Speaker 1: by the FBI actually got charge arged and the other

1235
01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: four did not. So yeah, I I don't I don't know.

1236
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,680
Speaker 1: So it's very stupid because these guys got arrested by

1237
01:10:08,720 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: the FBI and then a federal judge dropped the charges

1238
01:10:11,600 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: for half of them exciting First Amendment violations, I guess.

1239
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:20,040
Speaker 1: But this was about felony writing and beating people up.

1240
01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 1: So it's a weird, and it's it's very common for

1241
01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: if you know how the FBI works, they don't generally

1242
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:30,519
Speaker 1: charge people unless they are very confident. It's like weird

1243
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,919
Speaker 1: for them. It's one of the reasons why federal charges

1244
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 1: very rarely don't get convicted, right, Like it's they generally

1245
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: put stuff out when they're fairly confident. So it's weird

1246
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,439
Speaker 1: that they dropped so many charges against these guys, and

1247
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,040
Speaker 1: it kind of suggests maybe, I don't know, maybe there

1248
01:10:46,160 --> 01:10:51,760
Speaker 1: was pushed back behind the scenes to security right wing vigilantes. Yeah, yeah,

1249
01:10:51,800 --> 01:10:55,160
Speaker 1: I don't know. Not not great. So four got arrested

1250
01:10:55,240 --> 01:10:57,240
Speaker 1: and sent to prison for at least a little bit

1251
01:10:57,240 --> 01:10:59,880
Speaker 1: of time, and the other four did not. Um, But

1252
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 1: the story of RAM is not over yet. While while

1253
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,960
Speaker 1: one of their leaders, Ben Dailey, is still in federal prison,

1254
01:11:06,040 --> 01:11:09,599
Speaker 1: the other, Robert Rundo, is out frolicking around Europe trying

1255
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 1: to establish a new brand, which we will have the

1256
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:17,080
Speaker 1: not pleasure of hearing about in part two. So yeah,

1257
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:23,120
Speaker 1: more more fake brands of clothing coming up soon. Stay

1258
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:27,679
Speaker 1: stay tuned, great, stay tuned awesome. Well I feel great,

1259
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:31,479
Speaker 1: So I want to go to the beach. I would

1260
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,200
Speaker 1: love to go to the beach again sometime and not

1261
01:11:34,360 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: do a book burning, which seems like a waste of

1262
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 1: time in the beach. Go to the beach. Mason people

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Speaker 1: you know spray, Yeah, well, I only like to use

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Speaker 1: it legally, um, which is why I put on a

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Speaker 1: swastika before I pepper spray. People there you go. Great. Well,

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Speaker 1: that's that's the episode. I don't know what else to

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Speaker 1: say here. Um not to suck Garrison. Where can people

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Speaker 1: follow you? Oh yeah, this is the end of a podcast. Um. So.

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Speaker 1: I have a Twitter account that I occasionally post videos

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Speaker 1: on from protests I guess called at Hungry bow Tie. Um,

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Speaker 1: I guess. I have a YouTube page where I posted

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Speaker 1: some of the same videos but edited, edited together with

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Speaker 1: funny music now which I'm doing more of. It's more

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Speaker 1: fun and less depressing. Um yeah, And I guess I

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Speaker 1: also have a have a I work on a podcast

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Speaker 1: called Uprising a guy from Portland. If you've heard of that.

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Speaker 1: It's about the Portland's BLM uprising in that sounds fascinating.

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Speaker 1: Oh you you will love it, Robert. It's great. You

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Speaker 1: have a whole bunch of stuff about protests and makes

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Speaker 1: yeah good great fans of the show wonderful. You listen, Sophie,

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Speaker 1: that's good. Yeah yeah, but those are those are those

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Speaker 1: are the main things. That's so cool. Absolutely, but glad

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Speaker 1: to know about all that, Robert. I'm I think this

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Speaker 1: is where we bet everybody good bye. Yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I would like you all to just kind of you know,

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Speaker 1: I think, think a lot about where this nation is heading,

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Speaker 1: about kind of what we've seen since two thousands seventeen

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Speaker 1: with groups like RAM and then pick up a gun,

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Speaker 1: go to your nearby nearest hospital. Fight called I think

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Speaker 1: gets into the episode h