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Speaker 1: Welcome.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to start singing the introduction? Welcome to the.

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Speaker 3: Nick stop immediately can take it.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to the Nick, Dick and Paul Show. This week,

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Speaker 4: we're doing a part two to our wellness episode that

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Speaker 4: you will have heard a couple of weeks back, and

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Speaker 4: we are going to be talking about longevity and how

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Speaker 4: there are lots of fake doctors out there that pretend

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Speaker 4: they're real doctors and people who are trying to live forever.

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Speaker 4: And I just found a crazy cistics. I didn't know

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Speaker 4: this that the wellness industry now accounts for six trillion dollars,

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Speaker 4: six percent of the global GDP. It's and it's three

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Speaker 4: times more than pharmaceuticals.

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Speaker 3: Yes, that is growing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, by the way, grow faster, grows. Yeah, and it's projected.

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Speaker 5: I was going to say, and growing faster, and then

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Speaker 5: you guys both said it, and I was like, do

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Speaker 5: I add a.

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Speaker 2: Third and growing faster? Damn it? I wanted to say,

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Speaker 2: to go the other way?

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Speaker 1: How is that possible? Can someone explain that to me?

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Speaker 1: Nine trillion?

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Speaker 6: One?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Easy?

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Speaker 5: Literally A people don't want to die be other people

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Speaker 5: can tell you how not to die?

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Speaker 2: See profit serious?

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Speaker 5: I mean, not not too far from that, not from that,

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Speaker 5: but people are constantly looking for what's another short cut

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Speaker 5: that can allow me to be live longer, live healthier,

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Speaker 5: live better, be stronger, be more attractive, have crisper, cleaner skin,

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Speaker 5: crisper skin, what's the word.

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Speaker 3: We would work?

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Speaker 2: Who is making this smoother skin?

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Speaker 4: Trillion dollars?

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Speaker 2: Is it just?

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Speaker 4: Is it a bunch of influencers?

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Speaker 2: My uncle Phil and Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 7: There's a there's probably a dozen major supplement companies that

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Speaker 7: are among the largest of these things Nature's Choice Pure Encapsulations,

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Speaker 7: and they're doing just gigantic business.

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Speaker 5: You know, if you go go walk into Whole Foods

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Speaker 5: and go look at the pure encapsulation, pick pick, pick,

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Speaker 5: pick any one of these twelve and you know, pick

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Speaker 5: up a whatever you want to pick up Alpha, the

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Speaker 5: poc acid thirty seven, you know, thirty These things don't cost.

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Speaker 5: It's crazy how much the margins on these things are enormous.

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Speaker 5: But you know, the question people ask themselves is, you know,

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Speaker 5: what's it worth for me to be able to have

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Speaker 5: clearer skin.

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Speaker 2: And be better, you know better?

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Speaker 7: And it's also the reverse too, where it's like, well,

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Speaker 7: what's the worst thing that could happen? I mean, I

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Speaker 7: might as well try it, right, And that hundred percent

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Speaker 7: that pulls people in all the time because it's not

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Speaker 7: like they said, well, you know, I was thinking this

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Speaker 7: today of doing some chemotherapy just to see how it goes.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I got to tell you. There's an ad. There's

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Speaker 5: an ad on during the NFL games on Sundays for

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Speaker 5: some pharmaceutical product and I don't know what it is,

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Speaker 5: but all I remember because it caught my attention, is

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Speaker 5: the very end when they're going.

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Speaker 2: Through the warnings. The last warning. It's actually screenshot it.

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Speaker 2: The last warning and I'm not making this up is

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Speaker 2: may cause life threatening bacterial infection between the anis and genitals.

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Speaker 2: And I was like, I don't even know what this

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Speaker 2: product is.

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Speaker 1: Did it actually says and genitals?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 2: On TV?

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Speaker 5: And he says it, and then it's also written there

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Speaker 5: in case for the hearing and pair. And all I

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Speaker 5: thought to myself was who, whatever this thing does, who

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Speaker 5: sees that goes worth it?

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Speaker 3: Sign me up?

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Speaker 4: You know?

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Speaker 2: What the hell with it?

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Speaker 5: I'm in.

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Speaker 3: This is the thing that's been missing from what could

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Speaker 5: Where that's like, you know, so many questions, what what is.

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Speaker 1: What between your.

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Speaker 2: Also I mean everything.

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Speaker 5: I think it's the short No, Like seriously, I'm just

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Speaker 5: telling I don't know, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know anyway.

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Speaker 7: But the point being, like from these products, no, no, no,

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Speaker 7: like it's true.

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Speaker 3: But you see this on all these products. They all

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Speaker 3: have these wild disclaimers.

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Speaker 7: And my favorite always is whatever it is it's supposed secure,

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Speaker 7: it turns out also to be a side effect.

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Speaker 1: I just imagined the.

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Speaker 5: Doctor the dollar number is, you know, that's it's it's

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Speaker 5: it's a crazy number, but go but going up because

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Speaker 5: for those two, for those reasons, I want this to

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Speaker 5: be better. This proposes to fix one the aspect of it.

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Speaker 5: It's an extraordinary amount of money that doesn't make any

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Speaker 5: rational sense. But what what you know, what's the harm

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Speaker 5: in trying it? What if it does work?

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Speaker 3: Right? What if it does work?

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Speaker 7: And that's the thing across so many of these and

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Speaker 7: it's not just the therapies. It's also like you know,

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Speaker 7: cold rocks on my head or whatever, all of these things.

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Speaker 7: It's like, well, what's the worst thing they can have, right,

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Speaker 7: I mean, it's.

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Speaker 2: I might as well try it.

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Speaker 4: Do you think when people when they were doing the

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Speaker 4: drug testing for that drug.

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Speaker 1: I mean they sat down and the guy acrossed at

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Speaker 1: the researcher was like, so, jeffany studde.

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Speaker 2: Here's the deal. Obviously someone someone did.

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Speaker 3: We've lost him because I'm watching you laugh for the

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Speaker 3: first time.

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Speaker 2: Obviously someone did and it was life threatening.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the disclaimer. This is my lawyers. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 5: the disclaimer. But you know, you know, there was a

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Speaker 5: negotiation like do we have to say? I mean, do

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Speaker 5: we really do we have to say? I have three questions.

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Speaker 5: Do we have to say life threatening? And are we

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Speaker 5: allowed to say anus and generals? During Sunday at two pm?

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Speaker 5: Oh that's a good plause. You know, some kids watching

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Speaker 5: the game with his dad and I was like, Dad,

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Speaker 5: what are the anus and the genitals?

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Speaker 3: Aren't you gonna say?

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Speaker 5: Dad?

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Speaker 3: I saw this on the shelf upstairs, so I need

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Speaker 3: to know anything.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, going back, Oh man, who.

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Speaker 3: Do this was your This was your touchstone, This.

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Speaker 2: This is his waterloo. I mean I've got it on

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Speaker 2: my phone. I can show you that.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I couldn't help myself.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, rash anyway.

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Speaker 7: But that but that people are willing to take that

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Speaker 7: that people are willing to take that drug anyway, again

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Speaker 7: tells you the problem.

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Speaker 3: It doesn't seem it doesn't seem to matter what the

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Speaker 2: It doesn't.

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Speaker 5: It clearly doesn't seem to this like imagine and is there, Like,

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Speaker 5: let's play invent the worst possible disclaimer. That thing hasn't

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Speaker 5: you have been you have got the worst possible disclaimer.

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Speaker 5: They're like, let's throw it in the ass, go for it.

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Speaker 2: We're going to sell a million of these.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, they wouldn't be able to sell it with that

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Speaker 7: kind of side effect if it didn't work.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, if we didn't do something, you have to do something.

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Speaker 5: Why would they be putting that on there if it

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Speaker 5: didn't work.

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Speaker 2: But this is what people tell themselves.

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Speaker 7: The crazy thing is is like we know what works

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Speaker 7: and people don't want to do it.

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Speaker 3: That's the reverse part.

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Speaker 4: But that's why that's the craziest part, because the pharmacceutical

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Speaker 4: industry is worth the third of the wellness industry.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but no, no, no, I don't even mean that the

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Speaker 7: thing that works in terms of drugs, You.

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Speaker 5: Mean health one move, move, move a lot a little

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Speaker 5: bit differently. Every day, B get seven to eight hours

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Speaker 5: of sleep, C eat real food, D have a group

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Speaker 5: of friends who you socialize with and get some sort

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Speaker 5: of sort of fulfillment from it.

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Speaker 3: Make sure you're not paying those friends.

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Speaker 2: And make sure you're not paying those friends.

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Speaker 3: It's right, this from classic problems.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, but that's it, Like that's like eighty percent of

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Speaker 7: what we know to be the things that most influence

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Speaker 7: longevity are those four things, maybe even more like leaving

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Speaker 3: You know, if if you're bleeding out, you really should

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Speaker 3: stop moving out, that kind of thing.

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Speaker 5: And if you look at yeah, you look at physical health,

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Speaker 5: it's you know strength, you know strength and VO two

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Speaker 7: And but we know all those things, we know all

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Speaker 7: those things, and yet people don't do well do or

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Speaker 7: don't depending on them, They don't do those things.

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Speaker 3: And instead, you know the thing with the bacterial infection.

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Speaker 5: That, Well, it's GLP ones to lose weight, but then

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Speaker 5: that doesn't discriminate between muscle and fat, so people waste away.

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Speaker 3: Waste away.

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Speaker 1: I have a different I have a different feeling on

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Speaker 4: Okay, I think that I think that they're a good thing.

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Speaker 4: I think that you have I think that you have

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Speaker 4: being overweight causes.

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Speaker 2: The list is endless heart disease.

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Speaker 3: Well, we don't.

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Speaker 5: Disagree with you. I think we're saying people love a

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Speaker 5: short cut.

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Speaker 1: Yes, that I agree with.

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Speaker 5: But I could eat healthy and not do this and

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Speaker 5: not do that, or I could just do this, take

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Speaker 5: a full dose of this, and that I'll worry about

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Speaker 5: the fact that my muscle is wasting away.

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Speaker 3: Just as fast as maybe there's a drug for them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there's probably for you know, if I wait around

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Speaker 5: long enough, there'll be a drug for that too, and

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Speaker 5: I can take this drug to offset the effects of

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Speaker 4: One of the questions I have is when you look

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Speaker 4: on in Silicon Valley now where all these people are

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Speaker 4: taking this penile or rectile function drum sealis sealis and

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Speaker 4: they're because they they read somebody. Okay, it started to

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Speaker 4: be because someone a doctor on Twitter had said that

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Speaker 4: it was proven to reduce heart disease and blood pressure.

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Speaker 3: Because is that the that's right?

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Speaker 4: But and then so all these it's like everyone I

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Speaker 4: know up there is now taking it, right really.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think Brian Johnson started this.

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Speaker 5: He was like I remember he said I'm on a

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Speaker 5: two and a half milligram doss every day. Said you're

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Speaker 5: the lambs or I'm strong of boners.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, good line.

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Speaker 4: Well, but then when you actually look into the research, Yeah, it.

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Speaker 1: Turns out his own nonsense.

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Speaker 5: And then when you look at it's nonsense because it

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Speaker 5: is a vaso dilator, so I'm sure it does.

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Speaker 7: But it was like an observational study, man, only I

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Speaker 7: mean there's all these the people who most likely to

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Speaker 7: take seelis are already healthy because these are the people

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Speaker 3: Impact, and yet people don't want to do those.

448
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Speaker 4: Do you think do you think he's Do you think

449
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 4: Brian Johnson will get hit by a bus?

450
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Speaker 1: That's how he goes out.

451
00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:17,080
Speaker 3: It's like this, what was the seed?

452
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Speaker 7: It was no country for old man where he, like

453
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Speaker 7: Anton Sugar, is probably getting wet. It's like he's crossing

454
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Speaker 7: through the intersection. He gets cleaned up. Yeah, it'll be

455
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 7: a little like that, right, It's like, wow, this guy

456
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Speaker 7: kind of owns the world.

457
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Speaker 3: And then the station wagon.

458
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Speaker 1: How how old does he expect?

459
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Speaker 4: I mean, it's like, what's the point? I don't get it.

460
00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,560
Speaker 4: How old does he want to live to forever?

461
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Speaker 5: No, he doesn't want to. He wants to don't don't die.

462
00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I had, I had, I had lunch with him

463
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:47,159
Speaker 4: like ten years ago when he was normal. He was

464
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Speaker 4: normal before he was not normal, and then he he

465
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Speaker 4: don't sold his company and everything, and and then he

466
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 4: became not normal.

467
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Speaker 2: So you saying that's you, You're going to be dead

468
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Speaker 2: in a few years.

469
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 4: It'll be ejaculate now, it will be it will be

470
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Speaker 4: something between my anus and my scrotum that will kill.

471
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:10,280
Speaker 2: Me, please. You're not allowed to say scrot them. It's genitals.

472
00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 2: The word was specifically general.

473
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Speaker 3: Be a little more delicate.

474
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,679
Speaker 2: Sorry, so it wasn't gender specific.

475
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Speaker 3: But that's true.

476
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Speaker 4: But could the gender But is this is this a

477
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Speaker 4: generational thing or is this is this an everybody thing?

478
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Speaker 7: No, it's I think one of the reasons why this

479
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Speaker 7: stuff is on the rise in particular is because of

480
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Speaker 7: an aging population. Right, So you've got the boomers aging

481
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Speaker 7: out and saying, like, you know, I was told this

482
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Speaker 7: would go on for some time. I'm not ready to

483
00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 7: leave yet because my house hasn't finished appreciating.

484
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Speaker 5: And my starting to hurt, and my left knee is

485
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Speaker 5: wobbly and I got a bum ankle or whatever.

486
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Speaker 7: So that's I think one of the drivers. It's not

487
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Speaker 7: just it's not the at the younger end. It's partly

488
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Speaker 7: because of it's a boomer phenomenon where they're aging at

489
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Speaker 7: it and then it's like, well there must be more

490
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Speaker 7: I can do.

491
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Speaker 5: Right, And the falling vo two max as you get

492
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Speaker 5: older starts you start to become I mean, even when

493
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,119
Speaker 5: it's high and you start to notice it falls a

494
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,359
Speaker 5: little bit, you're like, oh, oh yeah, and you know,

495
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,880
Speaker 5: most people don't want to do four by four four

496
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Speaker 5: by four minutes sprints.

497
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Speaker 3: No, right, it's a lot of trouble.

498
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a lot of trouble, and it's it's horrible.

499
00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you'll probably just tear a hamstring anyway.

500
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Speaker 7: Yeah, right, So I got But that's and that's a

501
00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 7: big part of the problem is that the things you

502
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 7: would have to do to remedy it are just really annoying. Right,

503
00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:28,359
Speaker 7: So people don't want to do it, and they'd rather

504
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Speaker 7: find another shortcut. But I think part of it is

505
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Speaker 7: this this we're living in, you know, this demographically, this

506
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Speaker 7: aging society, and not surprisingly it becomes fixated on whatever

507
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Speaker 7: I can do to.

508
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Speaker 9: Keep the game, And does AI fix it or no?

509
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: Or makes it worse? How's it making it?

510
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,080
Speaker 2: Well, what I'll tell you what I've said this before.

511
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 5: What AI does do is it suggests a whole I mean,

512
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 5: it definitely reinforces what we're talking about. It suggests a

513
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 5: whole litany of things you should do for your daily protocol.

514
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:22,719
Speaker 2: And I think I've said this before.

515
00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 5: A friend of mine came by and said, you know,

516
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Speaker 5: I asked chat GPT what I should what vitamins?

517
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 2: I should be given.

518
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 5: You know, I'm this old and I weigh this much

519
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 5: and blah blah blah blah, and what vitamin and what

520
00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,080
Speaker 5: what supplements should it be taking every day? It's more

521
00:24:35,119 --> 00:24:37,800
Speaker 5: than happy to suggest a whole range of them to you.

522
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 5: And I said, I said that this friend, I said,

523
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Speaker 5: let me guess. I bet you it suggests you take

524
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Speaker 5: alfhaa poet ascid. It was like, it does suggest I

525
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 5: take helful of poke acid.

526
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Speaker 2: How do you know? How did you know?

527
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,639
Speaker 5: And said, because it suggests that for everybody, which is like,

528
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 5: of course, and as you might expect, he had no

529
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Speaker 5: idea what alf a poet.

530
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Speaker 3: It's just the thing that chat GIPC says I should do.

531
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Speaker 5: It's one of the eight things, ten things, eleven things

532
00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 5: that Yeah.

533
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Speaker 7: But that's and that consensus driven stuff on AI is

534
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,440
Speaker 7: where you end up, right, is because it's going to

535
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 7: make that it's a thirty seven year old guy on

536
00:25:12,280 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 7: Reddit says, and they're all.

537
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: Doing AI reads it and reads it podcast.

538
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 5: I'll tell you what I did that worked. I started

539
00:25:20,800 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 5: taking off, you know, a capsule of alphaa poeasts that

540
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 5: every day and now my owner nerve is fine, like.

541
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah. It also like recovered over.

542
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 5: The course of one hundred and eighty days, Like what

543
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,120
Speaker 5: if you didn't take alpha podcasts?

544
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Speaker 7: We were talking about this earlier, But I mean, I

545
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 7: think a lot of it also comes back to people

546
00:25:36,880 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 7: just being like enumerate, like they literally don't understand the

547
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:42,720
Speaker 7: basic math of things. And a good example is we've

548
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Speaker 7: talked about this in other context, but like mass screening

549
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,520
Speaker 7: test that's a big thing among the boomer crowd, also

550
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 7: among the tech types, that they do these screening tests

551
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:52,439
Speaker 7: with hundreds of blood tests and they look at all

552
00:25:52,440 --> 00:25:54,760
Speaker 7: these markers and it's like, Okay, this is preventive screening.

553
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Speaker 3: I'm doing something really good for myself.

554
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Speaker 7: But the problem is that most of the things you're

555
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Speaker 7: screening for have very low population incidences, right, They're not

556
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 7: very common. The things that are pretty common we have

557
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 7: terrific tests for, like colon cancer, right, right, we have

558
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:08,879
Speaker 7: really good tests for that. You don't need to do

559
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 7: something exotic, and we have a good test and we

560
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 7: can actually do in the process of testing treat it right,

561
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Speaker 7: or at least some forms treat it. But for all

562
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Speaker 7: of these much rarer diseases where you can do some

563
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,160
Speaker 7: of this population screening with blood tests and that has

564
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Speaker 7: very low incidents. The statistics of that is, if something

565
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 7: only has like a half a percent incidence in the

566
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Speaker 7: population and your test comes back as positive in all likelihood,

567
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Speaker 7: it's not right. So people are getting all of these

568
00:26:30,040 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 7: false positive results on these tests because they say to themselves,

569
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Speaker 7: I'm doing something preventive from my health. Look what I'm

570
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,480
Speaker 7: doing with all these tests. No, you're basically lead gen

571
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 7: for medical right where you're just lead gen for new procedures.

572
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:45,000
Speaker 7: Because almost every positive test, if you're otherwise healthy, the

573
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Speaker 7: odds are it's actually a false positive, which leads to

574
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Speaker 7: secondary testing, so that the system loves you because you've

575
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Speaker 7: got this your terrific source of additional testing. But it's

576
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 7: nothing to do with health. It has to do with

577
00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 7: the term that doctors it's the worried well, the worried

578
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Speaker 7: well with money, or horrific market. And these are the

579
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,040
Speaker 7: worried well with money, and they do all these mass

580
00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,280
Speaker 7: screening tests. They don't realize that if something has a

581
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 7: low incidence in the population and it comes back as positive,

582
00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 7: you still probably don't have it.

583
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: Ps When they find out they ultimately don't have it,

584
00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: they're relieved, not furious checked.

585
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, imagine if it's been positive, or they tell the

586
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 7: reverse story, which is, yeah, I know there are a

587
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 7: lot of false positives, but a friend of a friend

588
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 7: had that test done. It's like, yeah, let's say a

589
00:27:25,800 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 7: friend of a friend on the lottery. I mean, yeah,

590
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 7: everything it does periodically work out. But that's not the

591
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 7: same thing as saying that across the population this is

592
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 7: a good idea. No, it's a terrible idea because it's

593
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 7: all this follow up testing.

594
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Speaker 4: What one of the things that's so fascinating about it is,

595
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,359
Speaker 4: it's like it's the one area where people on the

596
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 4: right and the left agree.

597
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: They both know. They both think that they they both.

598
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:51,440
Speaker 4: Believe that these you know, that these things can cure

599
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 4: them of all these ailments and so on, and so

600
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 4: they may be under different names and different rubrics, but

601
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 4: they they both What was someone a neighbor of mine?

602
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Speaker 3: Is in.

603
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Speaker 5: To your specific point you're just making. Yeah, let me

604
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 5: let's hypothesize. There's doctor X out there, and doctor X

605
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 5: as a podcaster, and doctor X says, listen, well, some

606
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:17,239
Speaker 5: you know, we're taking two scoops of creatine at an

607
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 5: extra hit of cilia mus fiber and above are gonna

608
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Speaker 5: they're gonna do anything at the margins, like maybe maybe not.

609
00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 5: What you really need to do is, you know, you

610
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 5: need to do two days of zone to cardio.

611
00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 2: You should do either sprints.

612
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:36,120
Speaker 5: Or you know, four by four by four minute cardio

613
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 5: or bah blah blah blah.

614
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: One day a week.

615
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 5: You should do mobility work for ninety minutes on a

616
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,000
Speaker 5: weekend when you've got time, and you should lift three

617
00:28:44,040 --> 00:28:46,280
Speaker 5: to four days a week, making sure one day's like

618
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 5: if there was a guy that just or woman who

619
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Speaker 5: just said that, everyone would go guys a jerk, let's

620
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 5: put that one on again, who says take the thing, yeah,

621
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Speaker 5: Like yeah.

622
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Speaker 4: Well that's the thing that crazy when you watch these

623
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,880
Speaker 4: podcasts the guys that or the women do but they

624
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 4: are so emphatic about this is it and there is

625
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 4: no other thing and this is how I do it,

626
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 4: and and I feel fucking great, and it's like it's

627
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 4: so they are so alpha in there.

628
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 3: But that's survivor by us, right.

629
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Speaker 7: All the people who are like, you know, this might work,

630
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 7: this might not, well, they fall off because they get

631
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 7: out competed right by the people who are absolutely.

632
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Speaker 5: Certain sure are sure of it right, right, Because work,

633
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 5: and this might do something of the margins. But we

634
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 5: should really do is these things also stop eating garbage

635
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 5: and blah blah blah, and you know, yeah, it's too hard.

636
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 3: It's too hard for people.

637
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 7: They don't want to do any of They don't want

638
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 7: to do any of those things, and so and then

639
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 7: and then, but again it drives this at the margin.

640
00:29:43,800 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 7: All of these people with fall certainty and secret knowledge

641
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 7: because they're the that's the certainty is incredibly appealing. And

642
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 7: the idea that I know a thing that others don't

643
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 7: know and no one will listen to me is also appealing.

644
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 4: It sounds exactly like you know, when you when we've

645
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 4: talked about this before, but when you're you know, you're

646
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,840
Speaker 4: walking through New York, you drive through La and there's

647
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,479
Speaker 4: this big, long line of all these people that are

648
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 4: waiting to buy this thing because they think it's it's

649
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,000
Speaker 4: secret and no one else knows about it, and you know,

650
00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 4: at the Supreme Store, this is that the other it's

651
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 4: the health version of that.

652
00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, humans like to It's back to the synchronized fireflies

653
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 7: we talked in another episode.

654
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Speaker 3: It's his idea of.

655
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Speaker 7: As soon as we can observe each other doing a thing.

656
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:19,360
Speaker 7: We assume the other person knows something.

657
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, right, yeah, what do they know that?

658
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 3: I don't know? What do they know that? I don't know?

659
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 7: Because certainly the system can't cure my problem. So if

660
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 7: it can't cure my problem. And there's a lot of

661
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,880
Speaker 7: people's lined up for this, sign me up.

662
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Speaker 3: I'm in.

663
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Speaker 1: Do you guys do those full body scan things?

664
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Speaker 3: No, that's the ridiculous hoite Do you do it?

665
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 7: No, because the exact same reason I don't do the

666
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Speaker 7: blood panels, because they're all that's false posits le gien.

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Speaker 7: It's all legion, right, I mean, it's again, most most

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Speaker 7: of the cancers, for example, people do this thinking they're

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Speaker 7: looking for cancers. So most of the time there's other things.

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Speaker 7: But most of the cancers that kill you are very

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Speaker 7: fast moving cancers. Slow moving cancers, by definition, tend not

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Speaker 7: to be the ones that kill you. So if you're

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Speaker 7: doing an annual test or a bi annual test or

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Speaker 7: whatever else on ice, you're trying to do it weekly

675
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Speaker 7: or something insane, you probably won't pick up the thing

676
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Speaker 7: that kills you.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, except for stomach cancer.

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Speaker 7: There's exceptions across but the point is in general, you're

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Speaker 7: not going to pick up those things because most cancers

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Speaker 7: are slow moving. The ones that are fastest moving probably

681
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Speaker 7: won't get picked up on the tests anyways, because in

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Speaker 7: all likelihood between tests, you know that's probably And then

683
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Speaker 7: so the answer people give as well, I'll just test

684
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Speaker 7: more often. But now you're into the problem with false positives, right.

685
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Speaker 7: So it's like, okay, fine, I just saw something. We're

686
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Speaker 7: gonna have to go in and doing like an upper

687
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Speaker 7: end to scopy, and we're going to check and see what. Oh,

688
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Speaker 7: it turns out it was nothing. But by the way

689
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Speaker 7: on the end, you know, I perforated, blah blah blah.

690
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Speaker 7: It's like, wait a minute, this is worse than the

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Speaker 7: thing that I was worried about in the first place.

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Speaker 7: So all these invasive procedures have, leaving aside the cost,

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Speaker 7: they all have consequences. It's not nothing's perfectly safe.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 7: There's like an old line in medicine that is like,

696
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Speaker 7: no benign condition a well intentioned doctor can't make worse, right,

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Speaker 7: I mean it's exactly like that. It's well, yeah, they

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Speaker 7: wanted me to do this.

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Speaker 4: I feel like Paul could have been a really good

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Speaker 4: social media retencer.

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Speaker 1: Of course, like health person.

702
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Speaker 2: Takes with authority. That's all you need to do.

703
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Speaker 4: Take ivermectin and you'll your cold will go away.

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Speaker 1: By tuesday and good hair and good hair you're in.

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Speaker 1: You really could have pulled it off.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well that's my other podcast. It's Paul Influencer.

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Speaker 5: I think also, I'll go back to these when people

708
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Speaker 5: quote studies, they read the summary and then they say

709
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Speaker 5: that as if it's a blanket fact instead of the

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Speaker 5: data showing that in some cases but not these and

711
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Speaker 5: those and not these other ones. They don't look at

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Speaker 5: the detail, they don't study the detail. They quote a study,

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Speaker 5: they they abstract the abstract, summarize it, and generalize it.

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Speaker 5: And then everyone thinks, well, I heard on so and

715
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Speaker 5: so's podcast that doctor so and so says there was

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Speaker 5: a study and it's true five percent of the time.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and I mean science, the initial results almost always

718
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Speaker 7: fall down, like the replicability they call the replicability crisis

719
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Speaker 7: and science and it's like it's endemic. Both studies turn

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Speaker 7: out to be either no effect or weaker effect or

721
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Speaker 7: weaker effect over time. It's not that the bacteria say, oh,

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Speaker 7: look they're writing about us. Yea, you know, we're going

723
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Speaker 7: to stop doing what we were doing. It's not that

724
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Speaker 7: they were outed. It's that the original study, for whatever reason,

725
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Speaker 7: showed a larger effect than actually existed, and that's why

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Speaker 7: it got published. So subsequent follow ups almost always show

727
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Speaker 7: a smaller effects size. But it's not because we changed anything.

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Speaker 7: It's just because that's how it got published, was because

729
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Speaker 7: it found the thing in that moment that had a

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Speaker 7: higher effect size. So big surprise, it doesn't work well.

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Speaker 4: Amount of questions on this topic because it's really uh shocking,

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Speaker 4: you got anything else?

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Speaker 7: No, I think it's actually empower I think it's incredible

734
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Speaker 7: way well, because once you realize we actually know the

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Speaker 7: things that work, we.

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Speaker 5: Know what works, we know what works, and by the way,

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Speaker 5: they're very straightforward and everyone can do them. Maybe you

738
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Speaker 5: know it's hard for lots of people to get the

739
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Speaker 5: best possible clean ingredients. I get that most people can do,

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Speaker 5: you know, they just it's hard.

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Speaker 7: And so you can and you can stop paying attention

742
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Speaker 7: to all this other stuff out there, all this noise,

743
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Speaker 7: clear your mind of it because at the very at

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Speaker 7: the most it's at the very very margin a couple

745
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Speaker 7: of percent. And I know the things that make up

746
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Speaker 7: eighty or ninety percent of the health benefits. That's incredibly liberating.

747
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Speaker 7: It's like saying, I don't have to take the test.

748
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Speaker 7: I don't have to take the test anymore. I know

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Speaker 7: there's like four things, and just I'll do those things

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Speaker 7: in the call of a day. That's the thing that

751
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Speaker 7: I think is really empowering for people. And then to

752
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 7: why people get distracted and get on this rabbit hole

753
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Speaker 7: of two hundred health podcasts and thousands of dollars in

754
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Speaker 7: supplements and everything else. It's like, you need, you know,

755
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,360
Speaker 7: the cleans you need, you need like a cognitive cleans

756
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 7: to clean all that shit out of your brain because

757
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 7: that's the thing that's distracting you in taxing your time.

758
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Speaker 7: So as soon as you whenever people can be finally

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Speaker 7: realize that that's incredibly liberating.

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Speaker 1: Fun.

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Speaker 4: Fun, Now, who's the comedians that Big lea who did this?

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Speaker 1: He did a great show where.

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Speaker 4: Big Leibiglia where he got sick whatever I think it

764
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Speaker 4: was Mike and he.

765
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Speaker 1: He goes to the doctor. It's not him, actually someone else.

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Speaker 2: You are such a great story telling amazing.

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Speaker 3: I don't even know what that was. Yeah, by the way,

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Speaker 3: you know.

769
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Speaker 1: The other thing to this guy goes to the doctor.

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Speaker 1: It's it's on HBO.

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Speaker 4: It's it's this British Indian guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm mixing.

773
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Speaker 3: A British Indian guy.

774
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Speaker 1: Burbiglia has a great show he did it live.

775
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Speaker 4: I think it's now on Netflix, where he does have

776
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Speaker 4: to start exercising and he goes to the gym and

777
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Speaker 4: he sees his old guys and naked and it freaks

778
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Speaker 4: him out, and so he goes to the pool of

779
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Speaker 4: goes swimming. Anyway, this other guy says he gets sick

780
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Speaker 4: and he goes to the doctor and he's like, please

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Speaker 4: don't say it, Please don't say it, because the doctor

782
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Speaker 4: does his health panel and everything, and the doctor goes

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Speaker 4: if you know, he goes, if you eat better and exercise,

784
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Speaker 4: and he's like, fuck, he said it. But the whole

785
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Speaker 4: thing is about that, about how like all he needs

786
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Speaker 4: to do is eat better and exercise, and he wants

787
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Speaker 4: to do anything but that.

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Speaker 2: That's hilarious. Really, I think you lost something in the retelling.

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Speaker 7: But it's universally true, right, nobody wants to do nobody

790
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 7: wants to do the things, the things.

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Speaker 1: That's very funny.

792
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Speaker 3: But the other one.

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Speaker 7: Last thing I'll say is that on the podcasts, and

794
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Speaker 7: the reason why those are so successful, and we talked

795
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Speaker 7: about this the other day of a text, was that

796
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Speaker 7: this idea of audience captured. Once they start down that

797
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Speaker 7: path and the audience says, oh, I dig that, that's

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Speaker 7: really good stuff. That becomes a flywheel that goes round

799
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Speaker 7: and round, and they do more and more of it,

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Speaker 7: and they get pushed to the periphery because it's that's

801
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Speaker 7: what the audience wants. They don't want to be told

802
00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 7: to like run, lift, eat better, and stop drinking so much.

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00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 7: They want to be told there's a magic thing they

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00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 7: can do. And there's, by the way, in addition to

805
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,359
Speaker 7: that magic thing, there's four more and three of them

806
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Speaker 7: have my brand right, And that's and so this idea

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Speaker 7: of audience capture, we're increasingly in social media. People get

808
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 7: captured by their most ardent listeners, watchers, whatever. That's one

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Speaker 7: of the reasons why this stuff just goes hits escape

810
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Speaker 7: velocity and takes off into these wild corners. And so

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Speaker 7: that's a huge factor in what's going on right now.

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00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,080
Speaker 7: And I see that with all of these what's the

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Speaker 7: Glenn Doctor, Mike, the big lifter guy, Like, he's a

814
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Speaker 7: good example of this. He's a guy that really pushes

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Speaker 7: the idea of resistance training and has a very successful

816
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 7: app and everything else. And now there's a big push

817
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 7: about why, you know, maybe he's not as credible as

818
00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 7: a researcher as he people thought, and so on and

819
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 7: everything else, but he was got pushed out to the

820
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Speaker 7: edges by the lifting community and what you can do

821
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 7: to really service the lifting community. And again, audience capture

822
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 7: takes you into crazy places and the next thing you know,

823
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 7: you're like, oh my god, I can't believe this crazy

824
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 7: stuff I'm saying.

825
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Speaker 4: Well, it's also it goes, it goes. You've seen this

826
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Speaker 4: across chess and meditation and now in the health industry

827
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 4: where it goes from a podcast and the next step

828
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Speaker 4: is an app with a subscription model, and that becomes

829
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Speaker 4: successful and you're making twelve to fifteen million a year

830
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Speaker 4: off that, and now everyone else is downloading it and.

831
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Speaker 3: Sixty million apparently for doctor Mike's app.

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Speaker 1: Sixty million sixteen year.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Crazy the builder dude, Yeah yeah.

835
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Speaker 7: Renaissance periodization. This is this thirty dollars a month program

836
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Speaker 7: for getting Swoole.

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Speaker 3: That's what the kids saying?

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Speaker 4: All right, Well, that concludes our second episode on health

839
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Speaker 4: and wellness.

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Speaker 9: We'll see you all next week.

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Speaker 3: M