Speaker 1: What us up. Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode
Speaker 1: of the Mets Stuff podcast series went out of the
Speaker 1: All Star Break in Philly, first time since twenty twenty two,
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Speaker 1: appreciate it. Without further Ado James talk about this nice
Speaker 1: little series. Honestly, out of the All Star break.
Speaker 2: This was a great series. This was a nice moment
Speaker 2: to kind of appreciate where like the positive parts this
Speaker 2: Mets team are. We saw a great scar from Christian Scott,
Speaker 2: saw a great star from Miillan McLain. On Sunday specifically,
Speaker 2: we saw the lineup really lean on Alan Ronhelle as
Speaker 2: now we get that name correct, and we saw the
Speaker 2: top of the other guy on base at will. We
Speaker 2: saw Francisco Lindor go a triple away from the cycle.
Speaker 2: Don't say too loud, don't say too loud. We saw
Speaker 2: Tyron Taylor, Luis Terrenz, the bombing other get in on
Speaker 2: the action as well, Francisco Alvarez, every single person set.
Speaker 2: Marcus Emian had at least moments of a very good
Speaker 2: series in Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean ending the series with what an over
Speaker 1: five and four ks on today, little Golden Sombrero, a.
Speaker 2: Couple of runs competitions as well.
Speaker 1: I do feel like we're probably gonna see less and
Speaker 1: less of him as the season goes on. He's just
Speaker 1: He's really not any better than Brett Bady, and Brett
Speaker 1: Batty's not particularly good right now either.
Speaker 2: At least it's worth giving Brett bay At back to
Speaker 2: see what you have. I was almost shocked that Semion
Speaker 2: came off the injured list to start games this weekend.
Speaker 1: I could did we get told six to eight weeks
Speaker 1: with it is what it is. Let's talk about positive things.
Speaker 1: Positive Christian Scott. Let's start with him.
Speaker 2: Oh, Christian Scott's so good. Christian Scott is a I'm
Speaker 2: gonna start calling him. I'm gonna start doing this for
Speaker 2: a couple of pitchers in the league who I have
Speaker 2: this distinction for.
Speaker 1: He's a rocket ship pitcher. Okay, rocket ship explain.
Speaker 2: He's very good. He has a very solid foundation. But
Speaker 2: he has a clear thing that's still stopping him from
Speaker 2: getting to the next level, and that's having weapons for
Speaker 2: left handed batters. We saw in this game as effective
Speaker 2: as he was just breezing through the first five innings,
Speaker 2: running into trouble in the sixth the kyleege Schwarber double left.
Speaker 2: He's coming up. You take him out, you bring lefty
Speaker 2: in to face the lefties. Christian Scott to me is
Speaker 2: a rocket ship pitcher because once there are enough weapons
Speaker 2: to actually get the lefties, and it seems like based
Speaker 2: on what he has and the kind of pitcher he
Speaker 2: is and just the way that he pitches, those will come.
Speaker 1: The color look good.
Speaker 2: The curve ball had some moments of flashing. We haven't
Speaker 2: seen the splither really ever in a while, but I
Speaker 2: think all these things have a chance of coming together eventually.
Speaker 2: Once he has two pitches to get lefties out, he's
Speaker 2: to me, he's closing in up being close to a
Speaker 2: front line like top two to three pitcher instead of
Speaker 2: right now still stuck out of four or five.
Speaker 1: I mean, the whole thing about it is that that
Speaker 1: fastball is so ridiculously good. It's an awesome fastball, and
Speaker 1: the fact that he throws it so much up in
Speaker 1: the zone and we're now seeing Nolan McClain do that,
Speaker 1: which is something Nolan McLain out a lot love to
Speaker 1: see that. And the sweeper is unbelievable from him. Like,
Speaker 1: those two pitches are absolute dynamite. Blake, you said that
Speaker 1: is against righty's. If he can get that pitch against
Speaker 1: the lefties, you're right, he does just become a frontline starter.
Speaker 1: That is the difference. But here's the great thing about
Speaker 1: Christian Scott is that the difference between those two I
Speaker 1: feel like is not crazy. Where Like he still has
Speaker 1: a two point eight seven era and he still doesn't
Speaker 1: have that pitch like it's crazy. That's what's nuts about
Speaker 1: this is that I feel like the version that we're
Speaker 1: seeing of him right now, while there can be improvement.
Speaker 1: If you told me that Christian Scott was like this
Speaker 1: for the Mets, for the rest of his career in
Speaker 1: his time here, I'd be thrilled. I'd be over the moon.
Speaker 3: Dude.
Speaker 2: We open the season a lot of time ago, a
Speaker 2: lot of the very different thoughts that are my the
Speaker 2: go and Christian Scott wasn't even a guaranteed part of
Speaker 2: this rotation. We didn't even see him as that. And
Speaker 2: now we're through this part of the season catastrophe as
Speaker 2: it may be, and he's been the second most consistent
Speaker 2: pitcher in this entire staff. Like even this game, like
Speaker 2: shrouded in smoke in a game that probably shouldn't have
Speaker 2: been played. Whoever, ESPN was like, we have to play
Speaker 2: this game.
Speaker 1: Whatever. Friday night was worse than Philly. Did you see
Speaker 1: that there there's smoke levels higher on Friday. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: the next day was actually worse. All right, credit to them.
Speaker 1: Then back to that.
Speaker 2: But like he he was nasty, Like that fastball was
Speaker 2: in the zone, it was missing bats unstoppably. The sweeper
Speaker 2: he had perfect command of it. Think like the frisbee
Speaker 2: and I think this start more than the last few.
Speaker 2: Like he got that color and on the lefties really
Speaker 2: really well, Like he got a really ugly swing and
Speaker 2: missed some Schwarber, he got a couple of uncomfortable swings
Speaker 2: from Marsh like it was just he got it to
Speaker 2: a point where it was close enough where those guys
Speaker 2: were offering at it, and then by the time it
Speaker 2: got to them, they were looking ugly swinging at it.
Speaker 2: Like he he has everything, Like when I watched Christian
Speaker 2: Scott and just filled with joy of him one being
Speaker 2: back on the mound and two seeing the weapons that
Speaker 2: are there. They're ready to take the next step forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, if he gets that next pitch, it's gonna be crazy.
Speaker 1: Just he looked. He's a very very fun pitcher to watch,
Speaker 1: something that you know, like you said, coming into the season,
Speaker 1: the expectations were pretty low. Absolutely, whatever he gets is great. Well,
Speaker 1: low expectations are just like pitch health. That was kind
Speaker 1: of what we had coming into the year. Be healthy.
Speaker 1: Still is. But with the performances that he's giving us
Speaker 1: and the fact that the Mets seemingly win every time
Speaker 1: he's on the mound, that's his role this year. It
Speaker 1: is nice to watch.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's nice to watch and he's amazing and that
Speaker 2: game as well, Francis Guilfors two home runs off the
Speaker 2: break just gets to see him get confidence. Things we
Speaker 2: have to hold on to.
Speaker 1: Only hit him ninety only. He plays so much better
Speaker 1: anecdotally hitting ninth than when they hit him up in
Speaker 1: the order. And I do think a possible theory behind
Speaker 1: that is because the top of the order for the Mets,
Speaker 1: whether Mets fans at home want to believe it or not,
Speaker 1: it's very strong right now. It's a strong top of
Speaker 1: the order. Shockingly, Francisco Alvarez has to get pitches in
Speaker 1: the zone. One of the things that's sold him down
Speaker 1: a little bit this year is he's chasing, He's doing
Speaker 1: some of that stuff. He's getting pitches in the zone
Speaker 1: now because the guys behind him can hit, they want
Speaker 1: to face him instead, and he's absolutely doing damage, which
Speaker 1: I love to.
Speaker 2: Say, again, this is very small sample bullshit. I'll tell
Speaker 2: you guys to play the appearances as I read out
Speaker 2: the ops plus of Francisco Alvarez in different spots in
Speaker 2: this in the order. So if Francisc galvers hits thirds
Speaker 2: happened five games, twenty one play appearances, it is where's
Speaker 2: ops so one ninety five ops?
Speaker 1: Like just ops, not ops plus? No, it was TP.
Speaker 2: I didn't realize it was advanced all Baseball Reference stuffs
Speaker 2: one ninety five ops, fourth, two fifty eight and twelve
Speaker 2: twelve play appearance still nothing, fifth thirty four play appearances
Speaker 2: eight fifty six great five all good spot for him.
Speaker 2: Sixth forty three, five forty three, seventh, uh yeah, seventh
Speaker 2: twenty eight played appearances. That's nine to seventy again great
Speaker 2: for some reason. Eight thirty three played appearance is six
Speaker 2: forty six, ninth sixty eight played appearances over eleven hundred.
Speaker 1: I knew it was so good. I knew it anecdotically, right,
Speaker 1: I love it. But it's just there is something with him,
Speaker 1: I believe though, Like when he gets lower in the order,
Speaker 1: because we've talked about it before, when you get moved up,
Speaker 1: he gets very very very aggressive, Like you're aggressive than
Speaker 1: he ever is. He tries to hit the twelve twelve
Speaker 1: run home run every single time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that, like that's kind of adorable
Speaker 2: and when you're a first, second, third year player, But
Speaker 2: like now it's like it's time for to become a
Speaker 2: piece of the corps. And I still think with the
Speaker 2: bat specifically, he will be and can be a piece
Speaker 2: of the corps. But yeah, continuing struggling defensively, continuing to
Speaker 2: basically split time there with Luis Torenz because he's so
Speaker 2: poor there.
Speaker 1: You have to hit your you have to hit a lot.
Speaker 2: Yes, become worth it now because there was discourse of
Speaker 2: Bant francisc whoever is changing his position this weekend and
Speaker 2: went around I don't know mes's played. They had the
Speaker 2: day off on Friday, and then there was a lot
Speaker 2: the ranked de lan on Saturday. The conversations began. We'll
Speaker 2: get some more of those conversations like this. They got
Speaker 2: out of control. But he doesn't really have another position
Speaker 2: because he's like five ft ten.
Speaker 1: I don't think he'd be particularly good at first base,
Speaker 1: if there's anywhere he's gonna play. I'm not even kidding.
Speaker 1: Based on our interview all those years back with the
Speaker 1: cycle and he's talking about his youth days, I think
Speaker 1: his best options are playing second base or Maurfield.
Speaker 2: Third base like that.
Speaker 1: That is really it.
Speaker 2: But realistically, if you want to be a really, really
Speaker 2: good defensive team in this league, he probably will not
Speaker 2: do that. So a lot of the rest of the
Speaker 2: season will be about him taking strides on both sides
Speaker 2: of the ball. WI have to watch defensively, but nice
Speaker 2: out of the break, starting the right foot, starting style.
Speaker 1: Two big home runs. Yes, that's kind of it right
Speaker 1: for this game. Shout out Bret Baty hitting well again. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he's still as well. I just wish you.
Speaker 2: Could play more instead of other guys who are getting
Speaker 2: those reps.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Game two was not particularly great. Sham and I
Speaker 1: on the mound just kind of got smacked around. Didn't
Speaker 1: really have his best stuff. Mets couldn't touch Hazes, Sozardo
Speaker 1: really wasn't much of this game. It was kind of
Speaker 1: a quick breeze over and of course Code I Sanga
Speaker 1: came in and stunk it up again. I floated this
Speaker 1: on my channel, James, let me get your opinion. Two
Speaker 1: guys that we think got nothing left, nothing left in
Speaker 1: the tank. Would you make a Code I sangle for
Speaker 1: Christian Javier swap just? I mean, just change it. Why not.
Speaker 1: We'll take your bag guy, you take our bad guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but definitely, but I feel like Code I feel
Speaker 2: the money, do more money, so the Astros would never
Speaker 2: do that.
Speaker 1: Look at Javier's contract right now, he like, weirdly, I
Speaker 1: think signed one of those extensions. I think he's due,
Speaker 1: like I think Senga probably is due a little bit
Speaker 1: more money, So okay, you even it out, you pay
Speaker 1: whatever it would be to even it out. Would you
Speaker 1: make that switch? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Probably, But I also feel like at that point, oh
Speaker 2: my god, Christian, yeah the big he got sixty four
Speaker 2: million guarantee. Christian Xavier is making twenty one million this year,
Speaker 2: in twenty one million next year.
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. I think that's a good moment.
Speaker 2: For everyone out there who always thinks those arbitration avoid
Speaker 2: their contracts always win.
Speaker 1: This one did not.
Speaker 2: No, there's a good few that do not, So it's
Speaker 2: a good reminder right there. I actually would not do that.
Speaker 2: I would not pick Christianavier more money next year than
Speaker 2: go that Saanga.
Speaker 1: What if they evened it with they what if they
Speaker 1: gave us money?
Speaker 2: The astros are giving us money?
Speaker 1: Yeah, in this fairy tale world.
Speaker 2: Theoretically, yeah, sure, why not? Because I feel like it's
Speaker 2: just so broken here, but there's no way that would
Speaker 2: ever happen.
Speaker 1: All right, just worth the shop, that's worth the shop.
Speaker 2: That's I can't believe he's making twenty one million dollars
Speaker 2: next year.
Speaker 1: I know when I was doing my one player for
Speaker 1: every team that's going to get traded. I was like,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, they've got to be dying to get
Speaker 1: rid of him at any cost.
Speaker 2: No this, but uh sad they Manaya has a very
Speaker 2: unique opportunity against the Phillies. That's a very left handed
Speaker 2: heavy lineup that doesn't platoon as much as most teams
Speaker 2: of baseball, where you can't pitch well. And I feel
Speaker 2: like the first time and a half around the lineup
Speaker 2: like he actually was on top of it. I thought
Speaker 2: the sweeper looked nasty.
Speaker 1: Early.
Speaker 2: He started missing a lot with the sinker late, especially
Speaker 2: against the Riighties, and the Philly started scoring runs this
Speaker 2: and that happens.
Speaker 1: You're not We weren't gonna sweep them. We could win
Speaker 1: a series in Philadelphia and we sweep them.
Speaker 2: But the issues again came and came into this game
Speaker 2: because the guy has nothing like that. He got Manaia
Speaker 2: out of the fifth inning, and then he came up
Speaker 2: in the sixth. The first pitch of the inning, Bryson
Speaker 2: Scott hits a laser beam off the wall first.
Speaker 1: Which says a lot because that guy doesn't hit laser
Speaker 1: beams off of anybody almost.
Speaker 2: I think it more so said, and Ron and Gary
Speaker 2: were talking about this in the booth that it seemed
Speaker 2: like it really got in Code's head. It seemed like
Speaker 2: he got tried to be much more precise after that,
Speaker 2: I tried to be a little bit more just careful
Speaker 2: of about the way he was pitching. And then when
Speaker 2: that was happening afterwards, everything fell apart. Like directly after
Speaker 2: that triple, it was two consecutive walks to Trey Turner
Speaker 2: and kyleesh Warburn. In those two consecutive walks, neither of
Speaker 2: them swunk the bat. They were both very ready to
Speaker 2: get pitches out of the strikes from Code, I Sanga
Speaker 2: and then after that Bress Harper hit a single and
Speaker 2: then Koli and the Mets events did well besides for
Speaker 2: an error from the door to actually keep more runs
Speaker 2: off the board. But like you could just see it
Speaker 2: in his eyes, in his body language, once that triple
Speaker 2: was hit, he didn't really have anything to get through that.
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Speaker 1: No, he's He pitches like a skittish cat, which I
Speaker 1: guess is just every cat. They're skittish. They like they
Speaker 1: see what they can do. If it doesn't work, they
Speaker 1: back away again, like they just completely get away from it.
Speaker 1: They stay disted. It feels like code is Sanga is
Speaker 1: just he's scared to be on the mound. It doesn't
Speaker 1: feel like he's a guy who wants the ball, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, like bullshit speak, but it also feels evident.
Speaker 2: I think it could be bullshit speak sometimes when it's
Speaker 2: about the bullshit situation, but I think this situation where
Speaker 2: it's complete fucking correct, like he might even.
Speaker 1: Tell you that.
Speaker 2: I feel it like he threw forty five pitches, he
Speaker 2: got four outs.
Speaker 1: That's like difficult to do well.
Speaker 2: And again in the middle of the Phillies line up
Speaker 2: good lineup right there, tough to get through them all.
Speaker 2: But it was a complete slog watching him in that
Speaker 2: sixth inning, and it just felt like he didn't really
Speaker 2: trust any of the stuff in the zone. He kept
Speaker 2: trying to throw ghost forks to get guys to chase
Speaker 2: they weren't chasing, and then he kind of don't have
Speaker 2: anything less after that.
Speaker 1: If you know that the pitches aren't going to be
Speaker 1: in the zone to begin with, it's really easy to
Speaker 1: not swing at those pitches when they're not in the zone.
Speaker 2: And it's a shame, Like he's one of the guys
Speaker 2: that I feel like is an interesting conversation this trade deadline,
Speaker 2: maybe just for us, because maybe every single other team
Speaker 2: in the league circled him like we're not trading for
Speaker 2: him as possible, but it's it's just unbelievable to watch
Speaker 2: where this has devolved to in the last three years.
Speaker 2: That's the guy, how how incredible he was with philosophy
Speaker 2: and cothers in the zone and ripping the ghost fork
Speaker 2: off of that, whether it was just the league getting
Speaker 2: used to one of the most unique pitches in it,
Speaker 2: he's so far away from being effective right now. It's
Speaker 2: a horrible to watch.
Speaker 1: The drop off is faster than I could have ever predicted.
Speaker 1: For a guy who looked like he was getting better
Speaker 1: as the year went on, which is not something that
Speaker 1: you normally see. He is an absolute shell of himself.
Speaker 1: And again, if the Mets were playing any sort of
Speaker 1: competitive possible postseason baseball, there's a zero percent chance he'd
Speaker 1: be on this roster.
Speaker 2: He'd be in Syracuse. No, And I think this was
Speaker 2: a moment. Again, these have happened over the last few months,
Speaker 2: but Gary keithan Ron doing this weekend together, it's almost
Speaker 2: sad when these guys are in the booth together now
Speaker 2: for such a bad team. It is because they just
Speaker 2: feel a little slugs isn't the word, but they just
Speaker 2: feel a little downtrodden because of how much the team
Speaker 2: has destroyed them over the year, and there he happened.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, they just seemed really tired
Speaker 2: of watching not even this guy pitched this team play.
Speaker 2: Lindor made another few errors in this game, Like it
Speaker 2: just was a it was a bad vibe watching this
Speaker 2: team on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've seen this before with this team. There's
Speaker 1: there's bad vibes in many of games throughout the entire season,
Speaker 1: throughout last year. I don't want to say body language
Speaker 1: is not the right word, but the energy sometimes is
Speaker 1: just so lacking, and the focus is so lacking. And
Speaker 1: I do think part of it is like when you
Speaker 1: see a guy like code I Sanga go on the
Speaker 1: mound and that dude doesn't have any focus. How do
Speaker 1: you stay sharp in the game when you know the
Speaker 1: picture on the mound is not even giving you an
Speaker 1: opportunity to do anything. It's like it's a little like
Speaker 1: basic what I'm saying here, but like when you see
Speaker 1: shit on the field, it kind of causes you to
Speaker 1: also lose focus. And also the situation where.
Speaker 2: The Mets made more errors in this game, benchmin and
Speaker 2: Error Semi made a misplay that wasn't ruled to error
Speaker 2: like it just was another game with it is very uneven.
Speaker 1: Was this the throw down to first base two that
Speaker 1: went past and the throw to third base so that
Speaker 1: went past and that's.
Speaker 2: Where to run the double era out of play with
Speaker 2: Bryce Sharper and.
Speaker 1: The basis it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: It's just it's just sloppy baseball. And again it's funny
Speaker 2: to I don't want to focus on this because the
Speaker 2: Mets won this series, which positive for the first you know,
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty minutes this episode, and when you came out
Speaker 2: on Sunday, the team played great, like especially fantastic, fueled
Speaker 2: by Nolan McLain, who came out ripping Francisco Lindora from
Speaker 2: his first place appearance, ripping because he's a good baseball
Speaker 2: player who hits the ball really well, and we will
Speaker 2: talk a lot more about that. He's played twenty thirty
Speaker 2: bad games this year. Oh no, can't believe that. But McClain,
Speaker 2: it's funny thing has happened to him this year, where
Speaker 2: as he's had some spurts of not trusting or having
Speaker 2: just inconsistent breaking balls, which is the thing that got
Speaker 2: him to the major League. He's got so much more confidence,
Speaker 2: so much better at blazing his fastball at the leathers, Yeah,
Speaker 2: which is something he didn't have. He probably had his
Speaker 2: whole life. But when he got to the upper miners
Speaker 2: and we got to the Major's last year, she's not
Speaker 2: a pitcher really relied us I pitched, used them as
Speaker 2: bats and watching him do that today when again the
Speaker 2: sweeper wasn't really there, the slider was kind of hit
Speaker 2: their mits, the curveball had some nice whifts, but you know,
Speaker 2: not every single time, same as last few starts, the
Speaker 2: fastball was there, and he has just he's so much
Speaker 2: ways to get guys out, Like I don't think.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a lost season, so it sucks, but I don't
Speaker 2: It's a really, really impressive rookie season we're watching right
Speaker 2: out from Nolan McLain and one that should be really
Speaker 2: really appreciated by Mets fans.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I need the Mets fans to stop doing the
Speaker 1: flip flops so quickly, because I know even on this podcast,
Speaker 1: we talked about Noel McClain struggles this season at the
Speaker 1: point where he was struggling, but we did not ever
Speaker 1: switch the thought even on the type of player that
Speaker 1: we thought Noel McClain could be, even for the rest
Speaker 1: of the year, our biggest concern was hurt. Is he
Speaker 1: hurt because the stuff just doesn't really seem to make sense.
Speaker 1: But you saw people on tour, Oh, you thought this
Speaker 1: guy was gonna be a frontline starter. You thought he
Speaker 1: was gonna be your ace. You thought this and that.
Speaker 1: It's like, I mean, you look and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: it's July nineteenth. He has a three three era as
Speaker 1: a rookie. It's gonna be he's gonna be fighting for
Speaker 1: that Rookie of Year with J. J. Weatherholt if he
Speaker 1: keeps it up on this bank. You keep saying that's crazy,
Speaker 1: but like he is ridiculously good. It might not have
Speaker 1: been the way that, you know, the simpletons that say
Speaker 1: these stupid comments had expected it. But also at the
Speaker 1: same time, that's why you're an idiot and you don't
Speaker 1: actually know baseball, Like you have to give these guys
Speaker 1: some patients. You're allowed to have bad weeks, You're allowed
Speaker 1: to have bad starts. He had what like five bad starts.
Speaker 1: If you have a thirty three start, that's a really,
Speaker 1: really good season.
Speaker 2: Of every pitcher with at least one hundred innings this season,
Speaker 2: Nolan mclaan is the twentieth lowest ERA. It's fantastic just
Speaker 2: right there, and the conversation, this is one of the
Speaker 2: few best pitchers in the league, which and he's still.
Speaker 1: A guy who's relatively new to pitching.
Speaker 2: And it's a guy that's still kind of learning started
Speaker 2: then to start out what he's doing in terms of
Speaker 2: striking minds walk right, he's the thirteenth best in terms
Speaker 2: of eight terms, Sierra, we're getting early on you guys
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: He is.
Speaker 2: I feel like he's probably pretty good. He's a fourteenth best.
Speaker 2: Like wow, he's It's a fantastic rookie season. It's one
Speaker 2: that it sucks that it's going so under the radar.
Speaker 2: I think another reason why it is because when the
Speaker 2: Mets were really flailing and totally falling apart of the seams,
Speaker 2: he was pitching poorly as well. But yes, by all accounts,
Speaker 2: in every single measure, no two ways about it, he's
Speaker 2: having an unbelievable season right now, one that in terms
Speaker 2: of rookie starting pitchers, could wind up in the pantheon
Speaker 2: rookie starting pitching seasons completely missed.
Speaker 1: What if I told you that he was doing this
Speaker 1: all in games that don't matter anymore because the Mets
Speaker 1: season's over. Does that change your opinion? What does that
Speaker 1: have to do with him? He can't hit, He actually
Speaker 1: can't hit. Maybe he should hit, but like, well, that's
Speaker 1: what I was told about Francisco Indoor today is that
Speaker 1: he got He got hits against a minor league pitcher.
Speaker 1: So I guess that's now what we're gonna start doing
Speaker 1: is we're gonna move the goldpost and talk look at
Speaker 1: quality of opponents only for him, not any other player
Speaker 1: in the league.
Speaker 2: All right, we're basically twenty minutes right now. I just
Speaker 2: I have one more comment then we'll go right to Francisco.
Speaker 1: And okay, okay, fine, fine, fine.
Speaker 2: I'll save it last comment. Like a month ago, we
Speaker 2: were doing the thing where we were just playing all
Speaker 2: of our guys and hitting him in the same spots
Speaker 2: against lefties. Right, Yes, very annoying Saturday that we called
Speaker 2: out a lefty lineup, a lefty lineup with a bunch
Speaker 2: of blatunes that have not really hit all season. I know, objectively,
Speaker 2: Eric Wagoman should be able to hit left handed pitching,
Speaker 2: and I was grateful that Mark Fiancees was not in
Speaker 2: that lineup against injured right now. So it's just that
Speaker 2: that's forever, whatever that may be. Franciscoal Indor, the lead
Speaker 2: of spot was terrible from the right side. Bobashett was
Speaker 2: terrible against left handed pitcher for Sis Squavers in the
Speaker 2: fourth spot. Like we said, just because his eyes got
Speaker 2: really big marks. Sambion makes my eyes bleed, but it
Speaker 2: just I would I'd liked for these young players to
Speaker 2: have a modicum of consent.
Speaker 1: Bench wasn't the line up.
Speaker 2: Again, he didn't hit well, But like at this point
Speaker 2: what happens game by game doesn't matter much winner loss, No,
Speaker 2: it's a getting it to given Lindora some repste off, fine, whatever,
Speaker 2: but just let these guys have a little bit more
Speaker 2: consistency in what they're doing day and day out with appletudes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I don't think we need to really
Speaker 1: force the envelope for a lot of the guys on
Speaker 1: the Mets roster to get into games, especially where they're
Speaker 1: either not gonna be a part of the future plan
Speaker 1: or shouldn't be a part of the future plan. So like,
Speaker 1: unless you want to get way.
Speaker 2: I cam in some more reps to see if he
Speaker 2: is the future.
Speaker 1: But I can tell I got an answer for you, James,
Speaker 1: I've got a good one. I don't think he is
Speaker 1: as much as I know what we're both believing in,
Speaker 1: which is those crazy high barrel rates still to this day.
Speaker 1: But I just no club can make it work. So
Speaker 1: it's probably just not gonna work. And I want to
Speaker 1: see the young kids play as much as possible. Watching
Speaker 1: Marcus in me and play on Sunday was it looked
Speaker 1: like it hurt to play.
Speaker 2: It hurt me to watch him play, like both sides
Speaker 2: of the ball. I'm like, I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 2: There were multiple strikeouts in the scoring position. It looked
Speaker 2: like he was behind on fastballs. Again tells us sign
Speaker 2: that he's old.
Speaker 1: Blown by from the Phillies bullpen. You know you had
Speaker 1: a ron Hell was his first name, Allen Alan Alan
Speaker 1: ron Hell, who is not particularly good? Tim Maza who
Speaker 1: you should hit? You're alrighty, Max Lazarre, Seth Johnson, Like
Speaker 1: these are the guys that you were struggling against. You
Speaker 1: didn't strike out against Iran, So like this, what's what's up?
Speaker 1: What's going on here. Also, why didn't he rehab?
Speaker 2: There was not at all two games right, that was
Speaker 2: a really serious injury. There was also a post I
Speaker 2: was up by Master Flip the Goat on on Twitter
Speaker 2: about how the Phillies post game guys who are electric,
Speaker 2: they are bizarro Mets like.
Speaker 1: Us and them.
Speaker 2: We're living in the same world on different sides of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's incredible to be in the Phillies situation and
Speaker 1: then see their reactions and be like, what would they
Speaker 1: do if they were Mets fans and they had to
Speaker 1: talk about the Mets every day.
Speaker 2: And a lot of very bad losing seasons executively easy
Speaker 2: to forget. But even after everything Nolan McClain de did
Speaker 2: to them last year, they were very reluctant to as
Speaker 2: Ater Flip said, give them give him his flowers after
Speaker 2: the game, which a.
Speaker 1: Really good three three. It's incredible, I know.
Speaker 2: But Price Harper at the World Baseball Classic keithrad mentioned
Speaker 2: I listened to part of this game on the radio
Speaker 2: that at that game he told Nolan McLain you're the
Speaker 2: best pitcher I saw last year.
Speaker 1: WHOA, Yes, that's a sick comment.
Speaker 2: Oh, unbelievable. Yeah, and remember that game pitched against them
Speaker 2: September that the best game still. Nolan McLain's ever pitched.
Speaker 1: Pounded my chest and the Mets were out of it.
Speaker 2: But no, that's we're so very much in it then.
Speaker 2: But those guys are basically saying the Phillies a swinging
Speaker 2: a bad pitch is they have to be more like
Speaker 2: aware of the breaking balls coming in. And he's he
Speaker 2: was completely unbelievably nasty. Again, We're gonna tell you, keep
Speaker 2: keep telling you, guys, this is Mets fans. A couple
Speaker 2: things we're gonna hold on to, giving Nolan McLain in
Speaker 2: the mound, Christian Scott Carson bench a j ewing Lindor
Speaker 2: So though.
Speaker 1: Shit, I guess, but that's just that.
Speaker 2: That's what we're Those are our guys right now, that's
Speaker 2: our core, and we're moving forward with them.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, which I guess. Now we'll talk about that core
Speaker 1: conversation code God Forbid. A day goes by where fre
Speaker 1: ciscool indoor trade conversation doesn't exist, because it feels like
Speaker 1: every single day, every single hour, after every single game,
Speaker 1: he's getting asked questions about being traded. And I mean
Speaker 1: Will Salmon and Ken Rosenthal, those of the guys that
Speaker 1: are gonna trust the most, they have no inclination that
Speaker 1: is gonna be traded at the deadline. They didn't make
Speaker 1: any sort of comment about the off season. That still
Speaker 1: seems very much up in the air, which I think
Speaker 1: would still be stupid. But we're getting to like conflicting reports,
Speaker 1: and it just it feels like there's a witch hunt
Speaker 1: out and it kind of feels like Francisco Lindor feels
Speaker 1: like there's a witch hunt out too.
Speaker 2: And it kind of feels like, with Francisco Lindor having
Speaker 2: his no trade clause as we start to have a
Speaker 2: brother conversation here, if you wanted him to be more
Speaker 2: willing to waive that, you make this more of a
Speaker 2: witch hunt. You make this uncomfortable for him, because of course,
Speaker 2: the guy's been here for six years now, who's played
Speaker 2: some of the best baseball in the history of this franchise,
Speaker 2: who's an absolute bona fide Hall of Famer.
Speaker 1: I don't think mests fans want to hear that, and
Speaker 1: he is. Yeah, I know, nobody.
Speaker 2: Wanted five best shortstops. I think in the history of
Speaker 2: the sport. Out of doubt, he's for some reason, he
Speaker 2: wants to be run out of town. I understand if
Speaker 2: you want to look at this from a purely analytical standpoint,
Speaker 2: when you look at the rest of Francisco endorsed contract, sure,
Speaker 2: he will probably give negative value for the rest of
Speaker 2: the contract, probably.
Speaker 1: And negative value meaning that when he's thirty seven years
Speaker 1: old and he's getting paid thirty four million dollars, he
Speaker 1: is not going to play to the level of a
Speaker 1: thirty four million dollar contract. But this is also that
Speaker 1: like stupid conversation that we have now in sports two
Speaker 1: where it's like, well, then you'll never have any players
Speaker 1: because you have to pay these good players these big contracts,
Speaker 1: which again not a problem for me. I don't care.
Speaker 1: It's not my fucking money. It doesn't matter to me whatsoever.
Speaker 1: But like then Francisco Indoor never would have been here,
Speaker 1: so you never would have had the good years. His
Speaker 1: best years are behind him, but that doesn't mean that
Speaker 1: he is not still one of the best shortstops in baseball.
Speaker 1: And I think that is also very much getting lost
Speaker 1: in the conversation people here that he's never gonna be
Speaker 1: as good as he once was, and that means he's
Speaker 1: bad now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean last year was basically one of the
Speaker 2: best he's in his career, and like maybe after the calf,
Speaker 2: like of course, over the last few years we've seen
Speaker 2: Francisco Indoor's defense the taser rate at a regular amount
Speaker 2: for a guy in his early thirties, Like, there's not
Speaker 2: many we say this is one.
Speaker 1: Of the best defensive short stops. To now, he is
Speaker 1: a good defensive shortstop.
Speaker 2: He had one of the best five year stretches for
Speaker 2: a defensive player in the history of the sport. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and again that's not where he is right now.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 2: We have to say that. So the agent curve for
Speaker 2: a guy who started that high usually is a little
Speaker 2: bit kinder. The agent curve is very, very It hurts,
Speaker 2: and it comes for every single person. But usually the
Speaker 2: guys who are this type of Inner Circle Hall of
Speaker 2: Famer it comes from a bit more slowly. Right now,
Speaker 2: you guys, look at for Cisco Indoor stats. He got
Speaker 2: his fifteenth RBI today. It looks bad when you look
Speaker 2: at the stats, but like he's played forty three games.
Speaker 2: He had and I was really proud of Kai Creator
Speaker 2: for matching this with Chelsea James after the game that
Speaker 2: Francisco Indoor had it with shoulder elbow surgery in the
Speaker 2: offseason and god spring training broke his handmade bone and
Speaker 2: right when he got to the season, Bold's calf muscle.
Speaker 2: He hasn't played consistent baseball, had consistent reps up until
Speaker 2: the end of last season, which was awful, and then
Speaker 2: the team traded his friends, which is a weird thing
Speaker 2: that I think a lot of people who are on
Speaker 2: the wrong side of this take that wrong side of this. However,
Speaker 2: you wanted this for some reason, they think that Francisclendor
Speaker 2: was behind trading the guys in this team.
Speaker 1: Not sure it all doesn't seem like that's true at all.
Speaker 2: I actually think probably the opposite is true. I'm sure
Speaker 2: he was actually upset about losing, especially a guy like
Speaker 2: Pio Alonso, who he's been with forever, who he very
Speaker 2: openly was really close with. Same with brand Nemo, who's
Speaker 2: been his guy since he was on the team. Neither
Speaker 2: here nor there mentioning those names, but just been tough
Speaker 2: seasons so far.
Speaker 1: Team suck.
Speaker 2: He's been hurt a lot for the last six months.
Speaker 2: It's really really unbecoming to see how sharply Mets fans
Speaker 2: have turned on a guy that is such an unbelievable player,
Speaker 2: so good in the community. Whatever you want to say
Speaker 2: about the locker room. That's probably the one thing you
Speaker 2: can actually get on him with the most. But it's honestly,
Speaker 2: it's kind of cringe what Mets fans are doing to him.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's embarrassing. It's worse. I mean, that's exactly why
Speaker 1: it is cringe, because you're now having Mets fans fighting
Speaker 1: with Mets fans. I'm fighting with people on Twitter because
Speaker 1: of course I have to defend my boy, and people
Speaker 1: are getting every day. Yeah, like I'm gonna fight for
Speaker 1: the dude. It was a year ago that people were like,
Speaker 1: borderline gonna revolt against the team because he wasn't named captain.
Speaker 1: After twenty twenty four, people were talking about retiring his number,
Speaker 1: and then those same people are now the ones who
Speaker 1: are like, ship him out. He's getting old, he's not
Speaker 1: playing well. I can't even believe that people have seen
Speaker 1: less than a COVID season sample this year and think
Speaker 1: that that's the player he is literally going to be
Speaker 1: the rest of the year. I don't know how that's
Speaker 1: even possible.
Speaker 2: No, I honestly have no idea.
Speaker 1: Is like, where's it coming from? Like how how have
Speaker 1: we gotten to this point? Because I really did think
Speaker 1: that the greater, like, we'll just talk about baseball fans
Speaker 1: as a whole. I did think we are getting smarter
Speaker 1: as a whole, like the group of baseball fans. But then,
Speaker 1: for all, for some reason, Francisco Lindor has broken certain
Speaker 1: Mets fans brains. And you look around and you try
Speaker 1: and find what the pieces are, and really none of
Speaker 1: it particularly adds up. No, it's not, it's weird.
Speaker 2: And then people bring up comments like again him and
Speaker 2: his wife got rid of the players in the locker room.
Speaker 2: Not true, why would they have that power? Obviously you
Speaker 2: have psychosas or some other deeper mental issue. Not true.
Speaker 2: Then people bring up again the thumbs down that was
Speaker 2: five years ago, and he apologized that was twenty twenty one.
Speaker 2: What were you guys doing in twenty twenty one that
Speaker 2: should be held against you right now, like, truthfully and
Speaker 2: honestly right now, and a lot the question is right
Speaker 2: now about just Francisco Indoor, purely objectively, what the next
Speaker 2: few years of Francisco Indoor look like. And for the
Speaker 2: next five years after this one, he's due thirty two
Speaker 2: million dollars a year, thirty two and a half, So
Speaker 2: it comes out to one hundred and seventy million dollars
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty hundred seventy I think it's like
Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty one hundred sixty hundred and sixty
Speaker 2: three whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, four or five years.
Speaker 2: Thirty two million, thirty two point four to.
Speaker 1: Seven yea, Yeah, that's gonna come out to like one
Speaker 1: sixty two Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, at the end of that, probably he's underwater
Speaker 2: in this contract in terms of what he's going to
Speaker 2: produce wins above replace.
Speaker 1: Probably.
Speaker 2: I think he probably has if he's a complete perfect health,
Speaker 2: which we don't know because calf injuries are fickled.
Speaker 1: They're weird.
Speaker 2: A four or five win season, then another four win season,
Speaker 2: like going down to half win a year, a five,
Speaker 2: a four and a half, a four, a three, you know,
Speaker 2: a three and a half to three, a two and
Speaker 2: a half.
Speaker 1: Like he's still gonna give us around like fifteen fifteen
Speaker 1: war in the next five years, most likely. It seems
Speaker 1: she pretty easy, pretty easy. It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: It's a good contract. It's a contract that you're really
Speaker 2: not upset paying on the back half when a guy's
Speaker 2: been so productive over the first half. And that's the
Speaker 2: best part about when we traded for Cisco Lindor and
Speaker 2: we signed Francisco Lindor. It feels like there's this combination
Speaker 2: of will Pond psychosis where Mets fancy a big contract
Speaker 2: of a player is not one of the best players
Speaker 2: in the league anymore, which is fine, and you feel
Speaker 2: like you have to trade them, but also it's the
Speaker 2: idea of the Mets didn't pay Pete, they dumped Nemo,
Speaker 2: so now you have to do the same to Lindor
Speaker 2: when he's Those two guys aren't even in the same.
Speaker 1: Stratosphere as him. If we as a baseball player, if
Speaker 1: we as a fan base can't differentiate the difference between Pete,
Speaker 1: Alonzo Brandonimo, I'll group them together as a player, those
Speaker 1: that archetype of player, or those archet types of players,
Speaker 1: and what Francisco Lindor is will be was all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. I think we've completely lost the point.
Speaker 1: It doesn't. It's like it's actually like comparing apples and oranges.
Speaker 1: They're not the same. They do very very different things.
Speaker 2: And if you had to pick one of those guys
Speaker 2: that was most similar to Lindor, especially that Nemo hasn't
Speaker 2: played center field multiple Years's probably pe Alonzo because.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy bad.
Speaker 2: Sure, and let's say at the end of this season,
Speaker 2: Francisco Lindor's contract was up and he was demanding a
Speaker 2: five year, one hundred and seventy million dollar contract, different conversation.
Speaker 2: You probably don't ink that at the moment.
Speaker 1: You probably don't ink that, and you probably see I'll
Speaker 1: be honest, you probably see close to that five for
Speaker 1: one fifty like Peede Alonso just got five for one
Speaker 1: to fifty five. And everyone in baseball knew or knows
Speaker 1: that Francisco Lindor is going to be a more valuable
Speaker 1: player over the next five years than Pete Alonzo given
Speaker 1: health and nothing.
Speaker 2: Against pi Alonzo, friend baseball. No, it's only one team
Speaker 2: was even close to offering that level of a contract.
Speaker 1: Like it's it's just crazy that we have to have
Speaker 1: these conversations, and I have a feeling we're going to
Speaker 1: have them until the trade dead and then probably even
Speaker 1: after the trade deadline, because Sason, because every fucking piece
Speaker 1: of content now is just about Francisco indoor trades except
Speaker 1: for the big names that I actually care about.
Speaker 2: Truthfully, I mean, what's your actual take on that? Why
Speaker 2: do you think this has become so pervasive in national
Speaker 2: media and within some of the small Mets media members.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's wrong.
Speaker 2: Word some of the less nationally connected Mets media members.
Speaker 1: I think there's like it's a three things have happened. One,
Speaker 1: Steve Cohen opening his mouth and saying the ship he
Speaker 1: did on the John Hayman and Joel Sherman podcast stirred
Speaker 1: all this shit back up again. The fact that he
Speaker 1: publicly acknowledged that Lindor and Soto might have had an
Speaker 1: issue last season with each other at the start of
Speaker 1: the year. That was really, really, really fucking stupid. That
Speaker 1: was like an all time Mets pr so tight. How
Speaker 1: did that happen? How does that? How does that happen?
Speaker 1: How do you not see the video and tell them
Speaker 1: to edit it out? Whatever it is. Second, I'll save
Speaker 1: my crazy theory for the end. Second, we're in the
Speaker 1: same relative, same world as all these people. Their jobs
Speaker 1: are relying on getting clicks. People clicking their articles, people
Speaker 1: clicking their videos, people clicking their tweets. Does generate revenue.
Speaker 1: The more eyes that get on something, the better it is.
Speaker 1: And there is nothing hotter right now, especially in what
Speaker 1: is a dead trade deadline than talking about one of
Speaker 1: the best shortstops in Major League Baseball history or at
Speaker 1: the absolute worst in last twenty years that didn't take steroids,
Speaker 1: being on the move from a big market team that
Speaker 1: everybody loves to absolutely dumb on. So it's a perfect
Speaker 1: storm that Steve Cohen said this. You can now have
Speaker 1: the Francisco indoor trade rumors, bring up all the other bullshit,
Speaker 1: lie to the people that you're talking about, sometimes even
Speaker 1: about what the deterioration of Francisco Lindor could look like.
Speaker 1: And then three, a lot of this is being propagated
Speaker 1: by S and Y. S and Y is pushing this
Speaker 1: shit like crazy. Couple different things with them. One, S
Speaker 1: and Y knows that their numbers are going to plummet
Speaker 1: very very soon once the trade deadline happens and the
Speaker 1: Mets are officially giving up on the season. When you
Speaker 1: see the good players no longer exist on the team
Speaker 1: that we're once here. They will still yeah, but the
Speaker 1: viewership is going to plummet. They've got a cash in
Speaker 1: big time right now. This is their moment. You I'm
Speaker 1: watching Sports Night at S and Y at night because
Speaker 1: I want to, unfortunately see what people say get angry
Speaker 1: and then yell at my TV like a crazy person.
Speaker 1: But it's working. That's what's getting me in there, so
Speaker 1: people are watching. It's getting clicks to generating revenue. Two.
Speaker 1: Can I throw out a really fucking insane theory?
Speaker 2: One hundred percent?
Speaker 1: All right, crazy galaxy brain, I'm obsessed the will Ponds
Speaker 1: still own s and Y. Wouldn't they love to just
Speaker 1: fuck with the Mets right now and just be like,
Speaker 1: you know what, fuck it? Why not let's put out
Speaker 1: some information that is just going to drive people insane.
Speaker 1: We don't have this team anymore. Why not they can?
Speaker 1: They own s and Y. I would hope there's journalistic
Speaker 1: integrity to not do that, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: why not that's a theory If they're gonna make the
Speaker 1: same ridiculous claims, I will too.
Speaker 2: No, that's kind of feels like where it is, because
Speaker 2: it feels like every single day there's ridiculous lanes being
Speaker 2: thrown left and right about Francisco Indoor in the New
Speaker 2: York Mets.
Speaker 1: And then especially on Twitter, if you're an account that's
Speaker 1: like any sort of generic chatchy BT name that you
Speaker 1: got where you're like, give me a baseball Twitter account name.
Speaker 1: You'll see like a fast pitch down the middle or
Speaker 1: at whatever it is, Francisco Indoor doesn't actually want to
Speaker 1: stay in your who's telling you this is made up?
Speaker 1: The funny thing is that's definitely the opposite. What like that.
Speaker 2: Francisco Indoor, with a full not trade clause in his contract,
Speaker 2: definitely wants to stay in New York the duration of
Speaker 2: his contract and probably sign another small one after that.
Speaker 1: Notice how it's been glazed over. How I don't remember
Speaker 1: who broke the news on this one that someone close
Speaker 1: to Francisco Indoor says he wants to stay in Queens.
Speaker 1: He's going to stay in Queens.
Speaker 2: He wants to win at the solution winning not being
Speaker 2: talked about though.
Speaker 1: You can't talk about that.
Speaker 2: I mean after the game, Franciscal Indoor had a nice
Speaker 2: long interview with Chelsea James from SNY and he talked
Speaker 2: about the fact that he's at least not bothered by
Speaker 2: some of these because he knows they're all coming from
Speaker 2: outside sources. Yes, and he was saying if it was
Speaker 2: from inside, that would bother me. That is the part
Speaker 2: that is sticking with me a little bit, because again,
Speaker 2: if you were trying if you truthfully, and I don't
Speaker 2: think this is true. I'm saying purely in the world
Speaker 2: if you were trying, if you were trying to make
Speaker 2: a player possibly waive a no trade clause, which you
Speaker 2: would do is alienate them, make them feel uncomfortable, and
Speaker 2: make them feel like shit, And that would be what
Speaker 2: would happen with this media firestorm is going on and
Speaker 2: again in a purely theoretical world, like we said before,
Speaker 2: the rest of reciscal, Francisco Indoor contract is definitely a
Speaker 2: bit underwater, like you're probably not getting surplus value for
Speaker 2: the next five years from Francisco Indoor at thirty two
Speaker 2: million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: And also, I think it's worth noting too the reason
Speaker 1: you're not getting that surplus values because the value is
Speaker 1: so high. It doesn't mean that he won't be a
Speaker 1: valuable player. It just means that's not going to align
Speaker 1: with the money that thirty five million dollars worth. He's
Speaker 1: going to pay play like a twenty million dollar player
Speaker 1: as he gets older, rather than thirty five million dollars.
Speaker 2: And theoretically, in terms of shortstops in baseball, you'd want
Speaker 2: him to be like a five to six win player,
Speaker 2: which he has been consistently so far over length that
Speaker 2: contract to make that contract worthwhile. Again, neither here nor there,
Speaker 2: but maybe there probably was some kind of signal to
Speaker 2: the league, which again a big part of why the
Speaker 2: start up was the other day when it was like
Speaker 2: the same Chelsea James article where he was not listed
Speaker 2: as an untouchable, Yes, with a clearly underwater contract, as
Speaker 2: a guy who's aging out of the shortstop position. If
Speaker 2: somebody wants to, just similar to Rafael Devers last year,
Speaker 2: take the entire contract. Davis turns the mess. Front office
Speaker 2: probably listened to the conversation. Yes, that's definitely part of this.
Speaker 2: But as we got again more updates the last few days,
Speaker 2: Ken Rosenthal, well Samon Chelsea James, Bob Nightingale, that's are
Speaker 2: not going to pay down for the Mets, are not
Speaker 2: paying Franciscal indoors to.
Speaker 1: Play against them.
Speaker 2: No, it was probably a thing where there were hairs
Speaker 2: of trade conversations, teeny tiny little crumbs around the league.
Speaker 1: Yeah, take this whole deal. No, okay, no worries we
Speaker 1: keep paying it.
Speaker 2: Then that's the conversations probably ended right there, and it's
Speaker 2: it's the uh, it's the.
Speaker 1: Fun conversation we used to have where it was like
Speaker 1: so and so it was interested. I'm like, yeah, breaking news.
Speaker 1: I'm interested too. I would love to have him on
Speaker 1: the team. Can I say we're the Mets. What's Rihanna
Speaker 1: doing tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm interested one hundred percent of course not, but
Speaker 2: like that's kind of weird. Probably this was it was
Speaker 2: probably very small conversations in the league that everyone knows
Speaker 2: in the league.
Speaker 1: Happened all the time. No big deal, you have them,
Speaker 1: they move on.
Speaker 2: The one time it was except it was raffaeld Evers,
Speaker 2: which which.
Speaker 1: Work out for anybody. It turned out to be a catastrophe,
Speaker 1: worked up for the Dodgers.
Speaker 2: I mean, rest socks around fire still, but it's just
Speaker 2: become this weird media firestick, and it's frustrating from Mets
Speaker 2: fans perspective that people want to run a guy out
Speaker 2: of town who's been nothing but great to the organization.
Speaker 2: Great on the field. Again, the one thing you want
Speaker 2: to knacker out Francisco Lindoor if you can, is definitely
Speaker 2: locker room stuff. He's been a star player who's been
Speaker 2: here for five complete seasons, and the clubhouse always seemed
Speaker 2: kind of weird, Yes, for sure, with everyone to say
Speaker 2: that's the truth right there, Some.
Speaker 1: People aren't leaders that way, and he's still a great
Speaker 1: baseball player.
Speaker 2: It's just really weird the way people want to run
Speaker 2: a guy out of the town who has been this good.
Speaker 1: It really doesn't feel right in my stomach. No's it
Speaker 1: feels like there's like it will behind this stuff. It's
Speaker 1: very bizarre. And then hearing him talk about like his
Speaker 1: family and stuff too, and how like they are affected
Speaker 1: by this news he is. Notice, it's like, yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: we're in a world, unfortunately, where no one gives a
Speaker 1: shit because once you're online you can say stuff behind
Speaker 1: a fake user name and a fake picture. No one
Speaker 1: can know who you are. And I can guarantee you
Speaker 1: that his wife is getting just the most vile messages ever.
Speaker 2: And all of you guys who are gonna comment negatively
Speaker 2: on this, you're also gonna be commenting from a fake
Speaker 2: user name of the fake picture saying all these horrible
Speaker 2: things that are completely unsubstantiated about Francisco indor about politics
Speaker 2: or about personality, and none of them are true.
Speaker 1: No, as a baseball player, that's where we look at him,
Speaker 1: and he's a damn good one. Has he played at
Speaker 1: the same level this year? No, it's been forty games.
Speaker 1: Check what happens at the end of the year. If
Speaker 1: he has a six twenty ops, then we'll have a
Speaker 1: different conversation. But I'm not going to count out Francisco
Speaker 1: Indoor from a less than COVID season sample size. Luke
Speaker 1: Voyd hit the most home runs in Major League Baseball.
Speaker 1: It doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 2: Tom Smith, I think he might have got MVP votes.
Speaker 1: Tom Smith definitely got MVP vote. Tom Smith played so
Speaker 1: well at the Mets thought that he could be their
Speaker 1: outfielder the next season.
Speaker 2: I was in screw chests being like, you know, if
Speaker 2: you want to trade Pete right now, get max value.
Speaker 1: You got Tom Smith forever. Crazy. Take that back, But.
Speaker 2: That's just again, small baseball sample sizes don't matter. Especially. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Tom Smith got MVP vos thirteenth in the MVP voting
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty on a fifty game sample.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really Doris only played forty three so far.
Speaker 1: If Shae Lewis won the Rookie the year, he was
Speaker 1: out of baseball two years later.
Speaker 2: It's just disgusting the way some Mets fans right now
Speaker 2: are talking about Francisco Lindors doesn't get said it's spoiled.
Speaker 1: It's like it's not a place that I thought, actually
Speaker 1: Mets fans would get.
Speaker 2: But again, you could also, like you could be completely
Speaker 2: fourth right understanding about where Francisclendor is in his career.
Speaker 2: He's a superstar on the back nine. Yes, I don't
Speaker 2: know how many more years he's going to be a
Speaker 2: plus value shortstop. I truthfully don't that's fair. If if
Speaker 2: next year the Mets bring up moving to second and
Speaker 2: he's really ornery about it, maybe this conversation should become
Speaker 2: more of a conversation. But we're not there. It's not
Speaker 2: happening right now, and the Mets don't even have something
Speaker 2: that looks like a shortstop within two levels in the organization.
Speaker 1: That was my favorite thing, shout Joliov, who was just
Speaker 1: replying to everybody on Twitter when they're saying to replace me,
Speaker 1: He's like, with who name one guy? They're like, find
Speaker 1: a stop gap. He's like, name them, say the name
Speaker 1: and the name that people were listening. You saw Hasung Kim,
Speaker 1: you saw Mauricio Dubon, you saw Jorge Matteo, you Sawhi
Speaker 1: Sung Kim as well. Throw him in there, Luiski, your
Speaker 1: may was thrown around, thrown around, Jose Glaciers was thrown around.
Speaker 2: Fuck why not sack short See see if he can
Speaker 2: get out there one hundred percent, he got cup.
Speaker 1: We can bring it right back, right back? Why not?
Speaker 1: Finding shortstops is easy? Don't you remember the rich history
Speaker 1: of shortstops in the Mets history? James, like you do?
Speaker 2: You guys really want to trade all of our prospect
Speaker 2: capital and get Mason win with a six fifty oh ps.
Speaker 1: You could, because I promise you you will dislike Mason
Speaker 1: Win way more than you ever dislike Francisco Indoor for
Speaker 1: a second.
Speaker 2: I mean maybe for a reason, possibly it was a
Speaker 2: relative similarity, but.
Speaker 1: Well that same reason like dislike both.
Speaker 2: So you again, you're training for Cisco indor getting off
Speaker 2: the salary for nothing, just to get off salary because
Speaker 2: we apparently we don't have enough money. You're trading some
Speaker 2: of your best prospects from a Mason Winn who's entering arbitration,
Speaker 2: who's going to be at best a league average bat.
Speaker 1: We can't be the fraand base that bragged about giving
Speaker 1: one sort of the most money in sports history, and
Speaker 1: then say, Francisco endor it's a little too much money,
Speaker 1: a little too rich for our for our liking.
Speaker 2: The second Francisco Indoors signed that contract years ago one,
Speaker 2: I was so grateful that this good of a player
Speaker 2: was going to be on the Mets, chose to be
Speaker 2: on the Mets. If you guys don't remember, there was
Speaker 2: a really long road between David Right and Versisco Indoor
Speaker 2: of like genuine superstar major league players who were on
Speaker 2: this team. And then past that, I was like, you
Speaker 2: know what the last four years of that deal when
Speaker 2: he was so good for the first four Yeah, an
Speaker 2: eight year contract, but who actually was.
Speaker 1: It was ten for no? It was ten for three
Speaker 1: forty one, wasn't it?
Speaker 2: Yeah, ten for three forty one.
Speaker 1: Because Tatis was ten for three forty you had to
Speaker 1: get one.
Speaker 2: That's kind of the biggest bullshit that Tatis fucked this
Speaker 2: whole thing for us, fucking A J Preller and the Sidlers.
Speaker 2: But I was like, he's gonna be such a funky
Speaker 2: second basement for the last few years. That's going that's
Speaker 2: fun to watch a leged age out with our team.
Speaker 1: I think in one of our first episodes after signed
Speaker 1: that contract extension. That is the little conversation that we
Speaker 1: had was you bringing up how, for instance, you can't
Speaker 1: wait to watch Francisco Indoor be a plus second basement,
Speaker 1: And I think I.
Speaker 2: Said at the time, I was like, the contract ends
Speaker 2: at thirty seven. All these other mega contracts are ending
Speaker 2: it forthy, I was like, he's not going to be
Speaker 2: underwater at thirty seven.
Speaker 1: There's no job.
Speaker 2: He's still going to be an above average either in
Speaker 2: above average second basement.
Speaker 1: Defensively, we're treat him like he's Dansby Swanson.
Speaker 2: It's fucking bullshit. The white Mets fans are treating him
Speaker 2: right now. It makes me really mad at the day
Speaker 2: to day basis how people are acting and talking about
Speaker 2: Francisco Indoor. It's fucking ungrateful bullshit.
Speaker 1: No, it's frustrating. It's it's a group of fans that,
Speaker 1: honestly like, it's just I can't believe that we've gotten
Speaker 1: there as the New York Mets for a team that
Speaker 1: shouldn't be Uh what is was the right word enticing
Speaker 1: that kind of fans. We don't win, So why are
Speaker 1: you here if you're gonna be a spoiled.
Speaker 2: Brat can I talk about another thing that I really
Speaker 2: don't wish we were talking about, which wasn't it didn't exist?
Speaker 1: Oh please do what is that?
Speaker 2: I feel like the Mets got dingd for some AI usage.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, interesting, the Met's pitched well this weekend into that.
Speaker 2: But yea, so those report that came through a good
Speaker 2: reporting but you know, say and the Athletic that a
Speaker 2: couple of Major League Baseball teams were not out costs
Speaker 2: not the right word, but just called out for using
Speaker 2: generative AI models for pitch calling.
Speaker 1: Can't get caught if it's not illegal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Major League Baseball said that kind of
Speaker 2: granular for a second, But we've had tablets in the
Speaker 2: dug guts for a long time now, yes, probably a
Speaker 2: decade honestly. But there's always a certain amount of tabs
Speaker 2: that every single team has, and it's a lot of
Speaker 2: the same public facing stack has information that we all
Speaker 2: have in watch games at home. If you want to
Speaker 2: be granular and dig deep like that pitch movement velocity,
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes even like swing path like good video
Speaker 2: cops bats, Yeah, yes, you could see exactly how you
Speaker 2: swung your mechanics. All the stuff aside view which is beautiful.
Speaker 2: There was always a custom tab on these tablets, which
Speaker 2: was kind of teams to free wheel with whatever information
Speaker 2: they felt necessarily deemed important to them. They could put
Speaker 2: in that custom tab, and it came out that certain
Speaker 2: teams had built and purchased had people outside people build
Speaker 2: generative AI models to predict pitch or which pitches their
Speaker 2: pitchers should throw and shout out them on the Vino
Speaker 2: yeah for calling out the fact that the Mets were
Speaker 2: at the forefront of this. The Mets were a team
Speaker 2: that really a generative AI model to call pitches for them.
Speaker 2: And it's kind of funny because we had these tiny
Speaker 2: stories going through the beginning of the season that the
Speaker 2: Mets were a team that we're going to call.
Speaker 1: Pitchers from the doughouse.
Speaker 2: Yes, but it didn't really go past that the Marlins
Speaker 2: were doing it openly, proudly, and I'm sure that yeah,
Speaker 2: and it didn't those stories never came about the Mets.
Speaker 2: Like we said before, people loved talking about the Mets.
Speaker 2: Mets go into every single National store whenever they can,
Speaker 2: so it's weird that those stories never progressed. And then
Speaker 2: we got this from out of Vino on his YouTube
Speaker 2: channel this weekend.
Speaker 7: Did you see the story and m willb banning the
Speaker 7: custom tab on the n dugout iPad any thoughts, Yes,
Speaker 7: I knew about this for a while.
Speaker 2: The Mets were actually the team, the main team.
Speaker 1: That got cracked down on.
Speaker 7: They had an AI program that was very expensive apparently,
Speaker 7: and they were bragging about it a little bit early
Speaker 7: on in this in the year. Some of the coaches
Speaker 7: that I know were talking about it from around the
Speaker 7: league and they basically an AI program helping them pick
Speaker 7: pitches and I think some other stuff. But MLB got
Speaker 7: wind of it and nipped that right in the butt.
Speaker 7: So apparently they weren't the only team. But I knew
Speaker 7: about it from the Mets angle, which you know, they
Speaker 7: try to throw some money out the situation. Steve ponied
Speaker 7: up for I think this program, from what I heard,
Speaker 7: was several hundred thousand dollars to have.
Speaker 2: But when none of the big report there's none of
Speaker 2: the big outlets played out there and it went mega
Speaker 2: violand to wear their shadow lazy Mary on there. Good
Speaker 2: to other account Mets fan.
Speaker 1: But that was that was bad. That was that was
Speaker 1: something that went out. It was like, oh jeez, what's
Speaker 1: going on here? That gave me what I first saw
Speaker 1: and it went hey yao, was like that was not
Speaker 1: something that I had hoped to have ever read or seen.
Speaker 1: Like as good as AI has been for things in
Speaker 1: the world right now, bad, whatever your take is, we
Speaker 1: don't need to have that conversation. But like, the way
Speaker 1: that AI is now being used in our world is
Speaker 1: more than ever. I do think one of the things
Speaker 1: that maybe it shouldn't have been used for is calling
Speaker 1: pitches from the dugout is because when you think about
Speaker 1: how many times this year me and you were like,
Speaker 1: weird pitch call, Like why did they go with that?
Speaker 1: And I do think that like, yes, if a guy
Speaker 1: struggles with fastballs, hopefully that would be able to pick
Speaker 1: up always throw up and into this guy, right, But
Speaker 1: we also know how shitty sometimes AI can be and
Speaker 1: how wrong it can be and definitely not the most
Speaker 1: accurate or most perfect even though there's tons and tons
Speaker 1: of data and stuff like that at its disposal. It's
Speaker 1: pitching is so so so feel oriented. You should feel smart,
Speaker 1: you should do smart things. But in terms of sequencing
Speaker 1: and stuff like that, a lot of time I do
Speaker 1: think you have to go with the vibe. It's one
Speaker 1: of the few times where I'm gonna go old school
Speaker 1: and say the computers for telling you what pitch to
Speaker 1: throw and what count and where I think that's a
Speaker 1: little too far.
Speaker 2: I think so too. And I think a big part
Speaker 2: about baseball is the feel and the game. I'm just
Speaker 2: saying the pitcher on the mound versus the strengths of
Speaker 2: the bat. I think it's one of the best things
Speaker 2: about baseball is that's determining whether as a pitcher you're
Speaker 2: going to use your strengths, you're gonna attack about his
Speaker 2: weakness mouse to beauty this entire game. Great tweet from
Speaker 2: gap re paya g paana underscore and yhy chat gubt
Speaker 2: which pitch I throw your on Alvarez Chatchy between honestly
Speaker 2: forcing fastball down in the middle should do the trick
Speaker 2: and dash. It's often the last location discipline power hitter
Speaker 2: expects in a big spot. Attacking zone can work to
Speaker 2: a picture's advantage. And it's a video of yourn Alveras
Speaker 2: hitting a five hundred foot home run.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course they're not using chat Gypt Apparently
Speaker 1: one hundreds of thousands of dollars of generative AI model
Speaker 1: apparently a model.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we paid one hundred thousand dollars, hundreds of thousand dollars, so.
Speaker 1: That person surely got fired hopefully. That's that's a really
Speaker 1: bad if you if you perpetuated that, that's tough.
Speaker 2: Do you want to do it for like a few
Speaker 2: minutes right now? Just go into the fantasy ether and
Speaker 2: talk about this.
Speaker 1: Yes, let's talk about it.
Speaker 2: Do you think, like, do you think possibly from the
Speaker 2: finance hedge fund background, this with Steve com being like,
Speaker 2: we have to find ways to add AI into this.
Speaker 2: Do you think this was David Stearns being trying to
Speaker 2: be in the cunning edge? Do you think over this
Speaker 2: year specifically it was Justin Willard as a new Kire
Speaker 2: doing this, Like, how do you think this actually came
Speaker 2: to be? Because it's embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I like to think that David Searns has as little
Speaker 1: impact on in game decisions as physically possible. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: there was ever a world where I could see his
Speaker 1: hands getting in on in game decisions, I see this
Speaker 1: more than I did with the lineup. I think he
Speaker 1: would have perpetuated this, maybe more than he would have like,
Speaker 1: we need to get Andy Abanya's at bats. At worst,
Speaker 1: he would have had to have approved it. Yes, there
Speaker 1: is no doubt that David Stearns was very aware of
Speaker 1: what was going on and whether it was his idea
Speaker 1: or not. There wasn't approval in place, and that is like,
Speaker 1: that's a stamp of approval that means you're okay with it,
Speaker 1: you agree with the theory behind it. I do think
Speaker 1: that probably Justin Willard is someone who was super forward
Speaker 1: thinking on this as the young kind of trying to
Speaker 1: break into the game before getting to the Mets pitching guy,
Speaker 1: and one of the things that he talked about a
Speaker 1: lot was like being nasty in the zone, using pitches
Speaker 1: and attacking batters in ways that was a little bit
Speaker 1: different than we've heard a lot of pitching coaches talk
Speaker 1: about pitching recently. It was interesting that being said, I
Speaker 1: don't think and it's I think it's been proven too.
Speaker 1: I don't think the Mets are alone in this. I'd
Speaker 1: actually I actually think it's probably not Steve Cohen. I
Speaker 1: think that you can get him with the buzzwords to
Speaker 1: pay for that. Hey, Steve, we're gonna use a couple
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars to do his new generative AI thing,
Speaker 1: and because he's a finance brofit hedge fund guy goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: AI great, we're using that all the time. It's gotta
Speaker 1: be good.
Speaker 2: Too many how many stupid CEOs are doing the same
Speaker 2: thing and hurting their own companies with less capital behind them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are a lot of people. I mean, we
Speaker 1: get emails about this on our own personal thing in
Speaker 1: our email like all the time from people clearly using AI.
Speaker 1: It's like it's it's an empademic a little bit how
Speaker 1: much it's being used. But that's problem. At the same time,
Speaker 1: the Mets obviously used it, that's that's clear. But I
Speaker 1: bet you the Tampa bay Rays are using I bet
Speaker 1: you the Miami Marlins are using I bet you the
Speaker 1: Dodgers are using it, the Milwaukee Brewers. I've got a
Speaker 1: really good feeling that all the teams that you would
Speaker 1: expect are also using It's just that the Mets, which
Speaker 1: would also make sense, probably didn't use it in the
Speaker 1: best way.
Speaker 2: In the common from Alaveno, they were bragging the people
Speaker 2: about how good their model was.
Speaker 1: I also, yeah, that's interesting. I also do think that
Speaker 1: I'm getting a little bit of scorn from Adam out
Speaker 1: of you know, about how his tenure ended a little
Speaker 1: bit just a little bit, a little bit scorn yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, but it does feel like there's there is
Speaker 1: an agenda.
Speaker 2: No, definitely, it's just it also just plays with how
Speaker 2: Mets this season has been to add this little cherry
Speaker 2: on top when this news came out, just peak behind
Speaker 2: the curtain for you guys. On Friday, Mark and I
Speaker 2: were talking about thumb nailing headline this episode with this,
Speaker 2: so much other bullshit happened with the door that we're like, ah, whatever,
Speaker 2: we're gonna we're gonna squeeze it into the end. But
Speaker 2: like my question again is where were it the beat
Speaker 2: about this?
Speaker 1: Well, each you understand, the beat is not about reporting
Speaker 1: anymore or doing any journalistic finding. It's about creating rumors, gossip.
Speaker 1: It's it's tabloids. Now. The beat is not shout out
Speaker 1: Will Salmon because he's not like that, shout out the
Speaker 1: legit beat writers. But a lot of people now because
Speaker 1: it is more competitive than ever, they're fighting for clicks,
Speaker 1: they're fighting for this and that would have taken a
Speaker 1: lot of research and doing a lot of work on
Speaker 1: the side and probably taking it home when you could
Speaker 1: just like I think the metsagre and trade Francisco indoor.
Speaker 1: Someone in the organization told me it was the security guard,
Speaker 1: but someone in the organization.
Speaker 2: Told me it even took the Associated Press to report
Speaker 2: on this and talked to Andy Green about it, and
Speaker 2: we still didn't get so much firm stuff from the Beat,
Speaker 2: which is crazy if this thing was happening, which again
Speaker 2: plays into the idea that we had that a lot
Speaker 2: of the team's doing this section not that big of
Speaker 2: a deal. It's just good for clicks right now. And again,
Speaker 2: it's a scoring to Adam Alavino being out with a bat,
Speaker 2: but this is just it's just another thing on top
Speaker 2: of this whole thing. And weird that the story about
Speaker 2: the Mets calling pictures from the dugout wasn't more so
Speaker 2: through spring training.
Speaker 1: Early in this season, we get to ask more questions, James,
Speaker 1: you just make up a trade rumor.
Speaker 2: The context of this organization is so it has to
Speaker 2: be so fascinating.
Speaker 1: It's it's got to be exhausting. David Surns has got
Speaker 1: to feel like not only shit because his job has
Speaker 1: not been he hasn't done a great job, but he's
Speaker 1: got to be like, holy fuck, I would I sign
Speaker 1: myself up for It's just.
Speaker 2: I mean, I get high for running a baseball team,
Speaker 2: which is a great job.
Speaker 1: Moon Soto feels.
Speaker 2: I think WANs goes out there every single day and
Speaker 2: has great at bats.
Speaker 1: He really does. He's so good, dude. On Sunday him version,
Speaker 1: I want to ran.
Speaker 2: I'm watching it on my phone while watching the World
Speaker 2: Cup five cinema. This is great baseball right here, Like
Speaker 2: watching him buzz fastballs, like watching the layoff some tough
Speaker 2: breaking balls outside his own, Like this is what it's
Speaker 2: all about. And for sadly, it's not what's all about
Speaker 2: with this Mets team.
Speaker 1: Won Soda. Not a top fifty player though in Major
Speaker 1: League Baseball right now?
Speaker 2: Who would have ever said that?
Speaker 1: Wait, you didn't see this, no, oh. CBS Sports dropped
Speaker 1: in an article ranking the top fifty players in baseball
Speaker 1: right now, Wansda was forty ninth, So stupid he was
Speaker 1: behind a bunch of dhs. They cited the fact that
Speaker 1: he doesn't play particularly great in the field and he's
Speaker 1: just a bat.
Speaker 2: I would say right now, he's probably closer to first than.
Speaker 1: He is forty ninth.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, saying I think by a lot. I think
Speaker 2: there's an argument that he's still the best player in
Speaker 2: baseball at this moment because the Varon Judge is being injured.
Speaker 2: Ohio Tian not pitching.
Speaker 1: That PCA MVP calls looking pretty good right now.
Speaker 2: See it looks nice right at PC looks good.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for the rest of the season.
Speaker 2: Besides the mest dude.
Speaker 1: Friday night.
Speaker 2: Every Friday, I have my recap shift for NBC where
Speaker 2: I get assigned four games. I recap all of them.
Speaker 1: What a blessing to not have the Mets. It's so nice,
Speaker 1: and I was now Mets.
Speaker 2: On Friday, I was ripping Marlin's Brewers talk about game,
Speaker 2: A game so good, Garrett Mitchell, multiple amazing catches ninth
Speaker 2: and tenth in and then ripping the winning single with
Speaker 2: two strikes. I was like, this is why the games
Speaker 2: to be played, not just the horrible pig me team
Speaker 2: in Quenten.
Speaker 1: Such such good baseball. I sent you so many things. Also,
Speaker 1: I'm realizing over the last few days some media marvels
Speaker 1: that we didn't get a chance to talk about a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff coming out of from fanatics Fest, hex Fest,
Speaker 1: that place that that that feels like Hell of Earth. Truthfully,
Speaker 1: if you guys pay two hundred dollars to go finic Fest,
Speaker 1: if you think you got what you want out.
Speaker 2: Of it, great, I will not ship on the hobby.
Speaker 2: It's a good hobby, I think. But there's so much
Speaker 2: weird stuff that it's a fanavics fest.
Speaker 1: Derek Jeter chirping Mets fans about Pete Alonzo is super
Speaker 1: super interesting. Shout out, I think master Flip retweeted a
Speaker 1: video from January twenty first, where Steve Gelbs was saying
Speaker 1: that the Mets are true World Series contenders with the
Speaker 1: true race of Freddy Peralta, very different than his tone
Speaker 1: was after Carlos Mendoza got fired. It's crazy how two
Speaker 1: faced everybody is. And then I mean, just like the
Speaker 1: back and forth stuff. Oh, this has nothing to do
Speaker 1: with the Mets. I forgot about this one. The Lebron
Speaker 1: James comment about the MLP salary cap. It's one of
Speaker 1: the craziest I've ever seen in my life on Twitter.
Speaker 2: I do think like it's one of my favorite sinks ever.
Speaker 2: Like I just learned about recency bias is my favorite
Speaker 2: thing in the world.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like for nice.
Speaker 2: For thirty years, basically between the Yankees and the Dodgers,
Speaker 2: baseball was absolutely the most pair of the of any
Speaker 2: sport in the league. Yeah, like that, though we didn't
Speaker 2: have a repeat champion in twenty twenty five years.
Speaker 1: Well, what you don't know, James, is the NBA hasn't
Speaker 1: had one in eight years. But definitely don't look at
Speaker 1: the teams that made the finals.
Speaker 2: It also definitely don't look what happened in ten years
Speaker 2: before that. And again, the NBA changed their entire system.
Speaker 2: And something that a lot of people who really are
Speaker 2: rallying for the salary cap right now is that the
Speaker 2: teams that develop their own players can keep their homegrown players.
Speaker 2: So don't look what happened in the offseason in the
Speaker 2: NBA when Jalen Brown got traded because Brad Steven said, yeah,
Speaker 2: we just can't afford both the guys were drafted.
Speaker 1: Jana to Kumbo with the organization that even gave him
Speaker 1: a chance, was like, I want to get the fuck
Speaker 1: out of here.
Speaker 2: If there's the league right now, if I was Rob
Speaker 2: Manford and I didn't want to become it would definitely
Speaker 2: be the NBA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they got absolutely bailed out by the fact that Wemby,
Speaker 1: who's a super super superstar, got to go up against
Speaker 1: the most popular team arguably in the world in the
Speaker 1: New York Knicks and basketball. It's great self yeah, and
Speaker 1: embarrass himself.
Speaker 5: It was.
Speaker 1: It was great TV.
Speaker 2: No, but it's just well, well we got we're gonna
Speaker 2: have a lot of time. If she wanted to talk
Speaker 2: about time, talk about labor negotiations.
Speaker 1: And it's guys like Francisco Indoor who are ruining the
Speaker 1: game because they're getting paid too much money and they're
Speaker 1: gonna turn old.
Speaker 2: God, so fucking stupid. It's so far it makes me
Speaker 2: so fucking all right, quickly playing the Brewers preview, The
Speaker 2: Brewers series is coming week series. Oh nice, really really fun.
Speaker 2: We almost had the matchup everybody was waiting for. It's
Speaker 2: still might depending on how the match Jack and Mizerowski, No,
Speaker 2: Freddy Pelter Brandon is sprote Oh God. As of right now,
Speaker 2: the way it has been rescheduled out is that Mislerowski
Speaker 2: is going to pitch after his bat with fatigue for
Speaker 2: the Brewers on Monday seven for the Bit of an
Speaker 2: a Saft Freddy Peraltavus Jacob Mizerowski Tuesday seven for they
Speaker 2: him versus her Zach Thorton for Brandon Sprote and Wednesday
Speaker 2: matinee Christian Scott and Logan Henderson. But Logan Henderson also
Speaker 2: had a forearm cramp, so we'll still see about him
Speaker 2: on Wednesday as well.
Speaker 1: He's got a very fragile body, Logan Henderson.
Speaker 2: I really wish it wasn't so, because he's such a
Speaker 2: fun pitcher of the watch and off how hurt.
Speaker 1: He gets, it's like he's he's got a fragile body.
Speaker 1: That being said, do you see the rumors about Freddy
Speaker 1: Pulta The Brewers really might want him back. I got
Speaker 1: a great idea for trade back Brandon Sprote. Brandon, just Brandon,
Speaker 1: bro you can still keep Jet, keep Jet.
Speaker 2: Well, we're fine if you want arbitralgy off us. But
Speaker 2: like it's again, you know what, that's all's us.
Speaker 1: There's a market, There is a market, and that's really
Speaker 1: good for the Mets.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: This Brewers team is an absolute, complete fucking wagon.
Speaker 1: This is the best version of them that they've had.
Speaker 2: They swept the Marlins this weekend, My Miami Marlins. They
Speaker 2: really sunned them, and all three games was bullpen bullshit
Speaker 2: for the Marlins. The Martins had losses from believers in
Speaker 2: all three of the games, the Sunday which was the
Speaker 2: worst of all. Pete Fairbanks blowing another day. We're talking
Speaker 2: talking about the Mars, I should be talking about the Brewers.
Speaker 2: This Brewis team is completely relentless, like they had relievers, starters,
Speaker 2: position players, guys at the bottom and lineup. Joey Ortiz,
Speaker 2: You want to talk about a guy that would have
Speaker 2: like ended his baseball career if he was in New York,
Speaker 2: Joey your team, he'd.
Speaker 1: Be Anthony Bolby.
Speaker 2: He came up from about in the minor leagues and
Speaker 2: he's now playing third base. He got relegated off of
Speaker 2: shortstop for Cooper Pratt. Now he's playing thirty. He made
Speaker 2: a little swing change to.
Speaker 1: Get some more power.
Speaker 2: He's still is baciscently one of the worst hit theres
Speaker 2: in baseball in two years. By last two years, by far,
Speaker 2: Bruce fans chances name. When he comes to the play,
Speaker 2: Brewers are gonna play him every single day. He's gonna
Speaker 2: be one of the most played players in baseball.
Speaker 1: Over the last two years.
Speaker 2: The Brewers were dying for a depth infielder and they've
Speaker 2: been rotating between all these guys year and Joe Williams
Speaker 2: still hasn't gotten a shot at the major leagues. But
Speaker 2: the team is just absolutely unstoppable. It felt like they
Speaker 2: kind of hit this jet stream after that sweep with
Speaker 2: the Mets last year. Yes, when the Mets made tons
Speaker 2: of defensive miss cues and all the nonsense they did
Speaker 2: in that series last year in Milwaukee.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, the Brewers are just so ridiculously good. Keep
Speaker 1: an eye for Luis Laara. He's their new prospect that's
Speaker 1: came up. They paid him already, so he's gonna be
Speaker 1: there for a while. He is one of the best
Speaker 1: pure athletes in the entire sport. He runs like absolute
Speaker 1: fucking lightning. He's fast, he's a great defender.
Speaker 2: He made a bad playing in the outfield one of his
Speaker 2: first few games, but he's still a tremendous defender. And
Speaker 2: the Brewers do this thing where they have three center
Speaker 2: fielders playing in the outfield. He's one of them.
Speaker 1: They just have guys, guys, guys, guys, guys. That never ends.
Speaker 1: It is impressive to see how well of a how
Speaker 1: well built of an organization they have, and they they
Speaker 1: imagine if they spent another forty fifty million dollars, they
Speaker 1: would be legit World Series contenders, and I think they
Speaker 1: are legit World Series contenders right now. I think they're
Speaker 1: gonna give the Dodgers a good run for their money,
Speaker 1: and especially if they get Freddy.
Speaker 2: Peralta, especially to get Freddy Berlta, especially if Misserreski's a
Speaker 2: hundred percentality, especially if if what's his name Kyle Harrison
Speaker 2: comes back from injury. Just a few guys want to
Speaker 2: shout out one of our favorites, Garrett Mitchell. Oh yeah,
Speaker 2: For the last thirty days, he has been one of
Speaker 2: the best citys in baseball with the nine hundred ohps
Speaker 2: and playing tremendous defense in center field. We talked about
Speaker 2: Cooper Pratt. He hasn't really gotten it together yet at
Speaker 2: big league level, but he's a complete fucking pest in
Speaker 2: the box. He can't strike him out. Jackson Turios taking
Speaker 2: a step forward offensively, Jake Bowers. The Brewers nurse Jake
Speaker 2: Bowers long for three years, and now all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: Jake Bowers isn't the leite hither. I can't believe that
Speaker 2: should happen. Like Chad Patrick has gotten relegated from being
Speaker 2: a starter into a swingman role. He just shows up
Speaker 2: for forty pitchers. He throws non stop fastballs and he
Speaker 2: blights people up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, he's the fastball's electric guy of the Bends.
Speaker 1: Real it's come annoying to watch how good they are. No,
Speaker 1: they jealous of them except for their money. Except for
Speaker 1: their money?
Speaker 2: Got anything else fun about the Brewers?
Speaker 1: What else could have fun about the Brewers? I love
Speaker 1: Abner Yuibe. It's one of my favorite players to watch
Speaker 1: pitch in the entire league. He is going to shoot
Speaker 1: a fake gun at the New York Mets when he
Speaker 1: strikes them out. And just be prepared Mets fans, because
Speaker 1: he is going to absolutely embarrass us when he's on
Speaker 1: the mound.
Speaker 2: And the Brewers have a very underwater contract right now. Christianelich,
Speaker 2: he can't play the field, he's got a bad back,
Speaker 2: can't really hit right now.
Speaker 1: No, but uh, I said no rumors of trading him? Huh?
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess I'm only someone was gonna take
Speaker 2: the contract day? Would that if we offered franciscoundor for
Speaker 2: Christian Elich? They take that in a heartbeat?
Speaker 1: Do you think he voted for though that's really important.
Speaker 1: Christian Elich proba kamala.
Speaker 2: Maybe I guess, but Frankie Pepper sends his home. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Frankie Peppers is in his own Here comes Franky.
Speaker 3: This is Frankie Peppers.
Speaker 1: It's been a minute.
Speaker 3: I hope you had a nice, nice old star break.
Speaker 3: We didn't have to watch this baseball team. But I
Speaker 3: think they also did not mind having to watch that
Speaker 3: baseball team because these Mets played pretty good. This series.
Speaker 3: Can't complain. Mister Nolan McLean looked wonderful, beautiful game for
Speaker 3: j a ewing the day on Sunday, really good. I'm sick,
Speaker 3: so it was a nice game to feel a little
Speaker 3: bit better. So what I, uh, my hot take is
Speaker 3: that you shouldn't get sick because it sucks. Uh tell me,
Speaker 3: tell me about your favorite time you got sick, like
Speaker 3: when you stayed home from school? What's the price is? Right?
Speaker 3: All right? Geentle them, I hope you're doing well. We'll
Speaker 3: talk to you soon. Let's go, Mets.
Speaker 1: I I actually do have a favorite time.
Speaker 2: I do as well home from school. I had such
Speaker 2: a bad flu. I want to say it was my
Speaker 2: sophomore year of high school. I got sick from It
Speaker 2: was a freshman or sophomore. I got really sick from
Speaker 2: the Patriots pick kicking the shit out of the Jets
Speaker 2: on Monday. It's like fifty to nothing, it was. I
Speaker 2: went to school the next day. I was like, something
Speaker 2: is wrong and I developed like a hundred whatever fever.
Speaker 2: I went Wednesday, Thursday, Friday out of school. Both my
Speaker 2: parents were at work. When I was always playing video games,
Speaker 2: I was I was relegated to the downstairs TV. I
Speaker 2: said relegated like nine times this podcast for the word
Speaker 2: that's like twelve so the where as I say every
Speaker 2: time every podcast, I was like, fuck it brought. I
Speaker 2: brought the PlayStation day and I played two K my player.
Speaker 2: I built a career in three days in front of
Speaker 2: that television on the big TV, and it was it
Speaker 2: was a treat.
Speaker 1: That's a good one. I remember. I think I was
Speaker 1: like maybe ten eleven twelve. My PS two broke on
Speaker 1: my birthday and I was sick home from school and
Speaker 1: being at school. When you're in elementary school on your birthday,
Speaker 1: you're the king of the world. That's like the best
Speaker 1: day on the entire planet. And I remember being sick
Speaker 1: and then my dad just like going out and being like,
Speaker 1: for your birthday, I got you a new PlayStation two,
Speaker 1: and I was like, I can be home all day
Speaker 1: and play my new PlayStation two. And it went from
Speaker 1: the big fat one to the real thin, slim one.
Speaker 1: I was like, this is this is an all time day.
Speaker 1: I'll never forget it. I was just some funny tweets
Speaker 1: I want to read. I just we're an hour in,
Speaker 1: go in till your camera dies. I we're good at
Speaker 1: the windows open. It is a beatiful night.
Speaker 2: Actually, that's what I'm saying. We're chilling. I put the
Speaker 2: funny tweet on Friday Night about Pe the Lonzo chasing
Speaker 2: a foul ball and just running into the umpire ball
Speaker 2: in the Mother of Them picking.
Speaker 1: I miss him a lot. I miss him. I really
Speaker 1: missed him every day.
Speaker 2: Someone my capture was sometimes I really miss him, and
Speaker 2: an angory Mets Giants Knicks fan replied to me, sometimes
Speaker 2: the reclamation points I miss him every day in my life.
Speaker 2: It's a whole in my life that will never be filled.
Speaker 2: They will never forget David Serenus for it. There's no
Speaker 2: logic and have the franchise homegrown guy with for the
Speaker 2: home runs. Just twenty RBIs leave. You were scared to
Speaker 2: give him long term contract?
Speaker 1: Is this so funny? How when Pete declined the extension
Speaker 1: that was offered to him years ago, everyone hated his
Speaker 1: fucking guts. Now when the Mets didn't pay him more
Speaker 1: money over a shorter period of time, everyone hates the
Speaker 1: Mets guts. You kind of just can't win, It seems
Speaker 1: like in this city, which is why hopefully the players
Speaker 1: just tune everything out. Just don't listen to anybody.
Speaker 2: I have a Tweetedbuck calls to Montgomery for the weekend.
Speaker 1: It was derogatory.
Speaker 2: I was just saying, like, I was crazy, he's for
Speaker 2: the home runs and only eight hundred ops and white
Speaker 2: Sox fans are in my applause. Yeah, well you think
Speaker 2: about versus Glundor right now. I was like, I didn't
Speaker 2: know that was part of the conversation.
Speaker 1: Well, don't you know you can't have an opinion on
Speaker 1: anything else because you are a Mets fan. James the
Speaker 1: cap conversation with me, I was like, I'm sorry, Pirates fans,
Speaker 1: your owner sucks, so you fucking suck. I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: what how did I get to become the problem here?
Speaker 1: That's fun though.
Speaker 2: It's nice. It's a nice it's a nice life. Besides
Speaker 2: for the Mets sucking ass.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was great, no complaints, and we're gonna wrap
Speaker 1: up the podcast now because I want to enjoy the
Speaker 1: rest of the night. Thank you, guys for listening, Thank
Speaker 1: you for watching. Subscribe to met Stuff over on YouTube.
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Speaker 1: We'll catch you guys on next one. He's out beside guys,
Speaker 1: let's call Mets bright after the Loves Loves