1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: All right, so this is an episode that is very 2 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:10,520 Speaker 1: close to my function. I should have said heart, that 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: would seem more human. We went back and forth on 4 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:18,079 Speaker 1: this on a on a number of shows. Psychopaths. How 5 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:23,600 Speaker 1: to define them? How to after that definition determine whether 6 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: they are common or rare in the you know, in 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,000 Speaker 1: the great non consensual long form improv that we call 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:36,159 Speaker 1: human civilization. Uh, Nolt, Matt. You might not know this, Nolan, 9 00:00:36,240 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: I actually took one of those dark tread tests. Uh, 10 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:43,239 Speaker 1: several years back. You took the psychopath test. Well, I'm 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 1: legally required to for some things. Should that be a 12 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 1: new requirement for like the White House and things like that? 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: We but see, then we'd never get anything done if 14 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 1: we didn't have psychopaths running the country. So what's the 15 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: what's the idea before we dive into this? In this 16 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: classic episode, we look at the idea of uh, not 17 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 1: the idea the possibility that someone may have met a psychopath, 18 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: that many of the folks you encounter in your day 19 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: to day life may in fact have a certain um, 20 00:01:20,720 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: a certain hardwired difference in their in their brain chemistry. 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: I think I don't know what you guys. Favorite films 22 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: are about psychopaths. But I just recently, in preparation, as 23 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: I was listening to this classic episode, I rewatched Christian 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: Bales American Psycho, based on the great novel by Brett 25 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 1: Easton Ellis. Do you guys remember that one? Oh yeah, 26 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:46,280 Speaker 1: I mean it came out kind of during a golden 27 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: time of like anti heroes in the cinema, uh, and 28 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 1: it was one that really stuck with me. And then 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: I was like, I'll go try reading the book, and boy, 30 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 1: let me tell you, if you thought the movie was 31 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: not for the fan of heart, stay away from that book. 32 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: That is that is some unclean, dark material right there. 33 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: By the way, we were recording this in a moment 34 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: when I believe it was at least in the past 35 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:13,359 Speaker 1: two weeks. As we're recording this in August, the chemical 36 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 1: imbalanced theory about depression was uh somewhat debunked at least 37 00:02:18,880 --> 00:02:21,399 Speaker 1: by one study, right do you guys? Did you guys 38 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:23,799 Speaker 1: following That's interesting stuff to think about when we're having 39 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: this conversation about psychopathy and so uh sociopathy. I don't 40 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 1: know if that's how you say it, but really really 41 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:36,360 Speaker 1: interesting stuff. Just to imagine our understanding about what's actually 42 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,480 Speaker 1: going on in the brain with someone that would be 43 00:02:38,480 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: described as a psychopath is still very limited, right, and 44 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:46,720 Speaker 1: ever evolving. So housekeeping note, folks, when you hear us 45 00:02:46,800 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: talking about this stuff back in sixteen, you may run 46 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 1: into some terms that are I wouldn't say offensive, but 47 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 1: maybe maybe they've evolved over the past few years. Right, Uh, 48 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: And Matt, we've got to We've got a pause and 49 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 1: let the episode play. And my dear friend, there's a 50 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:14,120 Speaker 1: test that you are going to love. It's the psychopath test. 51 00:03:14,639 --> 00:03:19,079 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 52 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 53 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello, 54 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:40,920 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Max, my 55 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,240 Speaker 1: name is Nolan. They called me ben uh and you 56 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: will hopefully having yourself. It may not be the name 57 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: that you reveal to people, because names have power, and 58 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,000 Speaker 1: as we will see in this episode, many people are 59 00:03:54,120 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: not looking pople to be. I feel like we were 60 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: extra dead pan in this opening today, Am I wrong? 61 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: It was somewhat unemotional. Wasn't a little detached, perhaps perhaps 62 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: lacking a fundamental empathy? Cold and calculating. I have to 63 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:11,840 Speaker 1: say it's it's just because I noticed in the past 64 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:14,840 Speaker 1: couple of intros, I was all like, hey, I'm Matt, 65 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:17,680 Speaker 1: and then we talked about something. That's because you are 66 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:21,919 Speaker 1: the animated one. Okay, you know he's literally a cartoon. 67 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: You're not supposed to. Remember, we're talking about hidden things power, 68 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: you're not supposed to We contain multitudes, as Walt Whitman said, 69 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:34,200 Speaker 1: And you know, if you're familiar with the idea of 70 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:40,160 Speaker 1: code switching, wherein someone will adapt a certain a certain 71 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: type of language depending upon the people they're speaking with 72 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:49,320 Speaker 1: at a given time. If you're familiar with people who 73 00:04:49,400 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: will have you know, the the old Clark Kent, Superman, 74 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,360 Speaker 1: Bruce Wayne Batman dichotomy, and they're a very very different 75 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:05,039 Speaker 1: person at work. For instance, Listeners Matt Nolan I hang 76 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: out and are actually friends in the in the real world. 77 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:16,040 Speaker 1: But that is an exception to a rule because often 78 00:05:16,279 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 1: when you work with someone, which we will explore later, 79 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: when you work with someone, you're working with a version 80 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: of that person. You're not working with the person who 81 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: you know. Derek from h R may secretly be the 82 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: world's best fly fisher. Derek is a monster wearing human skin. 83 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,480 Speaker 1: And I don't know how he gets it on every morning. 84 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,279 Speaker 1: But the but the point is, like you could you 85 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: could know the world's best fly fisher, you could know 86 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: a monster. You could know, uh, this amazing person. But 87 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 1: all they may be to you is another Derek from 88 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:58,120 Speaker 1: h R and listeners who are named Derek. On the 89 00:05:58,160 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: off chance one of you does work and you and resources, 90 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,480 Speaker 1: I promise you we made this example up. Any resemblances 91 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: are purely coincidental. Today we are talking about one of 92 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: the most notorious and one of the most misunderstood mental 93 00:06:15,760 --> 00:06:21,839 Speaker 1: illnesses in human civilization, and that is psychopathy. I like 94 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 1: saying it like that. It's fun psychopathy. Yes, you're absolutely right, psychopathy. 95 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: When we say it that way, it sounds like a 96 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: pursuit of medicine, doesn't it. Yeah, are some kind of 97 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: like a like a pterodactyl. Uh, yes, specific kind of pterodactyl. Alright, 98 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: So uh, the first first things first, widely misunderstood. Right, 99 00:06:46,600 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: So let's let's start with our definitions. What is a psychopath? 100 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: It is a It is summed up by Uncle Sam's 101 00:06:56,360 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 1: favorite Federal Bureau of Investigation the following quotation a personality 102 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 1: disorder that includes a cluster of interpersonal, effective, lifestyle, and 103 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: antisocial traits and behaviors. These involved deception, manipulation, irresponsibility, impulsivity, 104 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: stimulation seeking, poor behavior controls, shallow effect, lack of empathy, 105 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: guilt or remorse, sexual promiscuity, callous disregard for the rights 106 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: of others, and unethical and antisocial behaviors. Now, if you're 107 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,520 Speaker 1: saying to yourself, a couple of those like they do, 108 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: a couple of those, you know, uh, you're probably not alone. Um, 109 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:45,640 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily make you a psychopath. This is a very 110 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: broad definition. UM, sort of a checklist if you will. 111 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: But you know, I think many of us are prone 112 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 1: to impulsivity from time to time. We all seek stimulation, 113 00:07:57,640 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, and um, you know, occasionally we behave poorly. 114 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: That's that's one of the that's one of the key 115 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: points here, because doing some of this stuff every so 116 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 1: often doesn't make you a villainous person, you know what 117 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: I mean. Good people exist, and good people can do 118 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 1: horrible things, especially when they are in a society that 119 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: normalizes it. Right. Uh, this is an unfortunate reality. However, 120 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: this definition is controversial for a long time. People believed 121 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 1: that psychopaths were largely a construction of the media, and 122 00:08:43,440 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: these misconceptions about psychopaths can be dangerous. Oh yeah, there's 123 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: so many. There can be problems when you're having an investigation, 124 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: let's say for law enforcement. Um, let's say you're just 125 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: having an interview with someone that you perhaps believe is 126 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: a psychopath. Oh my, guess you can we do a 127 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 1: fake interview now, Okay, we can illustrate it if you want. 128 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:07,680 Speaker 1: Who who? Okay, so you guys will be interviewing me 129 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: for to hire me for a job, okay, at Circuit City, 130 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: At Circuit City. Can it be Blockbuster? Can it be 131 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:21,480 Speaker 1: a combination Circuit City and Blockbuster? Yes? Yes, okay, yeah, 132 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 1: because this is going to bring in lots of interesting 133 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: cross sections. And now, now when we do this, bring 134 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: up questions that would address the things in the personality 135 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: of a psychopathic disorder, right, okay, all right and five 136 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: four three two one. Thank you for coming in. Ben. 137 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:46,440 Speaker 1: It's nice to meet you, and you know, we hope 138 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:49,240 Speaker 1: this goes along smoothly and we'll get you started as 139 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: soon as possible. Okay, we just got it written videos 140 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: and uh selling hard drives. That's where it's an absolute pleasure. 141 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: You know what. I want to thank you guys so 142 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 1: much for the hard work that you do. Brian Nigel, 143 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: this is the start of something big. Uh, this is 144 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: this is beyond Circuit City. I've always loved circuits, I've 145 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: always loved videos, I've loved renting things, and I am 146 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 1: enamored of this. I cannot wait here. Let me let 147 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,400 Speaker 1: me shake your hands. I uh, I got you guys 148 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 1: each a present. Here you go, you go. Yeah, that's 149 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:32,760 Speaker 1: a little that's a little forward. Ben, you're you know, 150 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: we really appreciate what you're saying here. These are great things. 151 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 1: We we just uh, we need to get into this, 152 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:44,480 Speaker 1: really into the meat of the responsibilities required to properly 153 00:10:45,080 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 1: um man a Circuit City Blockbuster location. Right. Oh, thank 154 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 1: you so much, Nigel. Let's jump in a big part 155 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: of the job. We'll be dealing with people. How do 156 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: you feel about people? May? Let me finish? Can I finish? Please? 157 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 1: Do me finish? How do you feel about people? Feel? Oh? Yeah, yeah, 158 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:09,800 Speaker 1: I I feel things. I've felt things. I've been a 159 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: person with emotions. People have those. That's great for them, 160 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:17,240 Speaker 1: I mean us, I mean you know, so let's do 161 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 1: a little role playing here. Let's do a little scenario 162 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: um where you are faced with a customer who has 163 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: a complaint about their videotape that they have rented and 164 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 1: they also, as it turns out, have a faulty USB 165 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,559 Speaker 1: stick and they're coming to you to rectify this situation. 166 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: Why because it's your job? Why should I help him? Though? 167 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 1: Because it's your job? Well, they trust you, you're you're 168 00:11:48,080 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 1: an employee here at Circuit City Blockbuster. Well that's their fault. 169 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 1: Interesting and sing just like an example of very very 170 00:11:57,320 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: slap dash. And for the psychopaths in the audience, we 171 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,840 Speaker 1: are not we are not mocking you. We are hoping 172 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:09,720 Speaker 1: to exhibit that emotional disconnect. So when Nole playing Nigel, 173 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: when Matt Plaine Brian were interviewing this guy at the 174 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: at the Circuit City slash Blockbuster, uh, there was the 175 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: question where they said, how do you you know? Feel what? 176 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: What are your feelings? What? What would you do if 177 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: someone had a problem? And we're hoping to exhibit that 178 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:36,479 Speaker 1: fundamental disconnect. So psychopaths are represented in all races, all cultures, 179 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 1: all socio economic backgrounds, every continent except for Antarctica of course, 180 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 1: every uh, every income level, every creed. You know. However, 181 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 1: and this may interest fans of our fellow podcasters, Uh stuff, 182 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: Mom never told you. It turns out that statistically speaking, 183 00:12:59,640 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 1: more men are psychopaths rather than women. And you know, 184 00:13:04,440 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: the fake dichotomy of gender aside. There there's some interesting 185 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: methodology there because it they may well be the case, 186 00:13:14,120 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 1: like we've talked about with serial killers, that just more 187 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:22,079 Speaker 1: men are caught. Perhaps there are more uh that, perhaps 188 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: there are more women who are just better at hiding psychopathy. 189 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:33,679 Speaker 1: So some are intelligent, others will be, you know, not 190 00:13:34,600 --> 00:13:38,079 Speaker 1: so much, not as much as you would expect Hannibal lecters. 191 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: They're not all, you know. And this goes into um, 192 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: this goes into some of the media stuff. All right. 193 00:13:44,960 --> 00:13:51,160 Speaker 1: So psychopaths do understand right from wrong. So the example 194 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: we did earlier when I was doing some character who 195 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 1: didn't didn't get you know, why it would be bad 196 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,160 Speaker 1: to steal a laptop. The thing is they know they 197 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 1: are subject to society's rules, but they will disregard them 198 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: to pursue their own interests. If we returned back to 199 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,320 Speaker 1: that FBI uh quote, the definition, I think to me, 200 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,960 Speaker 1: the most telling points are the ones that really ring 201 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: true the most at the very end, callous disregard for 202 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 1: the rights of others and unethical and antisocial behavior um. 203 00:14:26,920 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: And in addition to that are the ones at the 204 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: beginning deception, manipulation, irresponsibility. Because the character that you played 205 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: Ben starts off by trying to put on that human mask. 206 00:14:38,600 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 1: You know, it's a big, big thing to try to 207 00:14:42,800 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: overcompensate almost for a lack of empathy by attempting to 208 00:14:46,840 --> 00:14:53,280 Speaker 1: display this overt you know, almost cartoonish, as you like 209 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 1: to say, Ben Um display of fake empathy. Uh. To 210 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:03,720 Speaker 1: you know, the reviewers, even it did not sit right right. 211 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: You know, we're sort of looking at each other, like, 212 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:07,600 Speaker 1: what's the deal of this guy? You know, it's a 213 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:12,720 Speaker 1: blockbuster circuit city job. It's not exactly you know, bringing 214 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: about world peace. This guy is way too overly enthusiastic. 215 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: But to me, the idea of a disregard for the 216 00:15:19,680 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: rights of others, that is a big part of psychopathy, 217 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 1: where an individual wants to control others and seize them 218 00:15:29,480 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: as objects rather than um individuals that have feelings and 219 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,960 Speaker 1: that have you know, a life. It's more like pieces 220 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: on a chessboard that they can manipulate and control to 221 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 1: their own ends. But people are just objects in space. Well, 222 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: if you have a god complex, that could be you 223 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: know the way you look at it, so uh so 224 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 1: that that's an excellent point. Is that lack of empathy? 225 00:15:58,440 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: You know? The thing is that, according to current research, 226 00:16:02,200 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: although it's most often manageable, psychopathy is not a curable 227 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: a curable condition. And now it's now we should discuss. 228 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:17,120 Speaker 1: While we're establishing definitions, we should we should correct one 229 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: of the the biggest misconceptions about being a psychopath, which 230 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: is the debatable difference between a psychopath and a sociopath. 231 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: And what what do we what do we know about 232 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: this difference. To find the difference between these two disorders, 233 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 1: we look to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental 234 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: Disorders or the d s M Addition five, fifth edition. 235 00:16:44,240 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: What a sexy name, you know. I'm just quick sidebar here. 236 00:16:47,880 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: My wife is a psychologist. A lot of people know 237 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: that on the show already, and as they make changes 238 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 1: to the d s M, it is really strange to 239 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: see how vastly different disorders become and how they categorized 240 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 1: and and defined. Because homosexuality, for a long time in 241 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: the early days of the d S and when it 242 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 1: was listened included a disorder. Right, yeah, absolutely, and then 243 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:12,800 Speaker 1: you know, look at the autism spectrum now and all 244 00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: these other things. Anyway, let's get back in right here. 245 00:17:15,040 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 1: So the fifth edition, which is the latest one, is 246 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:22,080 Speaker 1: when it came out. It shows that there are common 247 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: behavioral traits that are shared between both of these soths. Yes, 248 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: sociopaths and psychopaths, but there are many differences. What they 249 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,880 Speaker 1: share is the disregard for laws and social morays, disregard 250 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,200 Speaker 1: for rights of others, a failure to feel remorse or guilt, 251 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 1: a tendency to display violent behavior. And in addition to 252 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:47,240 Speaker 1: these commonalities, they have all of these differences. So maybe 253 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,119 Speaker 1: could you describe just the average sociopath and and and 254 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 1: broad strokes and sociopaths and the audience of course are 255 00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: are offended, I imagine by being described as average in 256 00:17:58,600 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: any way. Sorry, Okay, So sociopaths tend to be easily agitated, 257 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 1: a little nervous. Maybe they can be volatile, prone to 258 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 1: emotional outbursts, fits of ray. Yeah, it's it's possible. Um. 259 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: Sociopaths are likely to be uneducated, at least somewhat live 260 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: on the fringes of society, unable to hold down a 261 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: steady job or even really stay in any particular place 262 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,320 Speaker 1: for a very long time. Because you have to to 263 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: stay in a job or stay in a place, you 264 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 1: have to be able to work in some way with 265 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 1: groups of other people. Yes, hold down, holding down a 266 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:45,760 Speaker 1: job can be tremendously difficult for both of these groups. Um. 267 00:18:45,800 --> 00:18:48,879 Speaker 1: Many sociopaths are able to form some kind of attachment 268 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:54,359 Speaker 1: to like one person, an individual perhaps, sure, maybe one 269 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:58,840 Speaker 1: group of people that they're able to really blend in with. UM, 270 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: but really overall, they seem to have no regard for 271 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:05,760 Speaker 1: society in general, it's rules, its laws, things that make 272 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: it go on. I would imagine who those attachments could 273 00:19:09,040 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: border on the obsessive and are not necessarily healthy in 274 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: any way. Well, you know, none of us are psychologists, 275 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: but yes, I can imagine that that is absolutely true 276 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:23,600 Speaker 1: so any crimes, at least the FBI. The FBI contends 277 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:27,119 Speaker 1: that any crimes committed by a sociopath will tend to 278 00:19:27,200 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 1: be impulsive, spontaneous, haphazard. I don't know why I emphasized 279 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:34,680 Speaker 1: it that way, but that does some pretty cool haphazard, 280 00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: So NOL on the other hand, what would you what 281 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 1: would you say a psychopath would be like. Psychopaths, on 282 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 1: the other hand, are completely unable to form emotional attachments 283 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 1: of any kind or feel empathy with anyone. So while 284 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: a sociopath might have you know, an obsession with the person, 285 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: maybe someone at work that they sort of hold up 286 00:20:00,480 --> 00:20:03,440 Speaker 1: as this the you know, kind of like an object 287 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: of their affection, you know perhaps or yeah, are a 288 00:20:07,880 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: close family member maybe you know, mother or father or 289 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:19,439 Speaker 1: a sibling perhaps, Um, this psychopath would be completely isolated 290 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 1: from any kinds of relationships like that. UM go to 291 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: great length in fact, to isolate themselves. Psychopaths are much 292 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:33,119 Speaker 1: more manipulative and good at it. Psychopaths are able to 293 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: successfully mimic emotion, and as as we mentioned at the 294 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: top of the show with our little scene, kind of 295 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,239 Speaker 1: give off this false sense that they have empathy or 296 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: that they can relate to somebody, they are ultimately just 297 00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 1: trying to twist to their own ends and appear to 298 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 1: be completely normal to unsuspecting people. UM. Psychopaths are often 299 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:04,200 Speaker 1: very well educated, whether within a system of education, higher learning, 300 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: or just their own job experience or job experience sure, 301 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: or even just you know, home home learning. They are 302 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,960 Speaker 1: obsessed with details, and they will go to great lengths 303 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,360 Speaker 1: to you know, find out as much information as they 304 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: can about what they're interested in. Uh. Some are so 305 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families, as 306 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: you often hear about the guy next door family, long 307 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 1: term relationships. They had no idea, We had no idea. 308 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 1: He was so nice. He always was outside bowing because lawn. 309 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: He would give us the paper. All of these acts, though, 310 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: figure into that greater charade of trying to put on 311 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 1: that human mask, you know, and be seen as a 312 00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 1: productive member of society. That's an interesting thing because one 313 00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,399 Speaker 1: of the key differences is that when committing crimes right 314 00:21:54,560 --> 00:21:58,600 Speaker 1: or what society regards his crimes, psychopaths will carefully plan 315 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,920 Speaker 1: out every detail in advance and have an escape plan, 316 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: a plan B, a contingency. So whereas a sociopath will 317 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:16,440 Speaker 1: commit something impulsively, a psychopath will be cool. It's calm 318 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:20,959 Speaker 1: and thorough, and these crimes might not be violent, you know, 319 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:24,160 Speaker 1: it might just be stealing a laptop from Circuit City, 320 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: slash Blockbuster It or a VHS copy of Captain Ron, 321 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,000 Speaker 1: you know, which a lot of people that's really hot 322 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 1: right now in the black market should have gone with 323 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,080 Speaker 1: Cabin Boy. Yeah, you sank a lot of money into 324 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,159 Speaker 1: the VHS bootleg trade. Cabin Boy. I want to talk 325 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: about a few examples though, of this kind of calculated 326 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,240 Speaker 1: this and I say it didn't have to be a 327 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: violent crime, which is true, but of a good example 328 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,679 Speaker 1: of this kind of calculated that can be seen in 329 00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:57,679 Speaker 1: serial killers that are caught. So, for example, Jeffrey Dahmer, 330 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: you know, he was looking for a very specific type 331 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: of person that he wanted to abduct that would fulfill 332 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,600 Speaker 1: his you know, fetish or his sexual fantasy. He ultimately 333 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: wanted to turn these people into zombies, dead sex slaves. 334 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: So he had a very very specific plan laid out 335 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 1: for how to earn these people's trusts at these clubs 336 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: where he would you know, seek somebody out, and once 337 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: he had injected himself into a situation with the his 338 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,439 Speaker 1: mark more or less, he would uh have them, you know, 339 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: kind of apply them with drinks and then ultimately drug 340 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: them and take them home and do what he wanted 341 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: to do with them, which, like we said, it was 342 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,639 Speaker 1: some pretty grizzly stuff and involved, you know, drilling holes 343 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 1: in their craniums and causing them to be completely brain 344 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 1: dead and pliable for whatever he wanted to do. But 345 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 1: the point is he had a plan, He had a 346 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: very specific plan outline for how to accomplish his goals, 347 00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: and as he continued to do it, over time, he 348 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 1: refined that plan. So it's all just very calculated, you know, 349 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: um callous behavior that is refined over time, whereas, like 350 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 1: you say, band of sociopathoul be much more impulsive and 351 00:24:14,440 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: might you know, do something in the heat of the moment, 352 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:22,840 Speaker 1: but there's not that level of fastidious study that goes 353 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,880 Speaker 1: into the process. Yeah, that's a great point. Another example 354 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: would be Ted Bundy for instance, who Ted Bundy, notorious 355 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: serial killer and rapists who was active during the nineteen seventies, 356 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: also a necrophile. Uh He eventually confessed to thirty homicides 357 00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 1: in seven states during the latter half of the nineteen seventies, 358 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:52,399 Speaker 1: but no one knows how many women he actually killed. 359 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,399 Speaker 1: And he would exploit these people when their trust. He 360 00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 1: actually defended himself in court and then harmed the judge 361 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 1: who said you, sir, would have been a fantastic attorney. Uh, 362 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: despite his psychopathic charm, his case fell apart when he 363 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:17,639 Speaker 1: was identified as his dental records matched bite marks on 364 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: the bodies. That's tough to walk away from, even if 365 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: you are a slick talking Ted Bundy psychopath. So one 366 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,000 Speaker 1: of the biggest differences, which we'll get into in a bit, 367 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 1: is that sociopaths can learn this behavior childhood trauma. You know. 368 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,120 Speaker 1: Unfortunately the world is a terrible place for a lot 369 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: of children. Uh. This, this early trauma can influence an individual, 370 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 1: removing the fundamental pieces of the engine that makes someone 371 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:55,159 Speaker 1: a human in a society. However, more and more evidence indicates, 372 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: and this is fairly controversial, that there may be a 373 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:02,720 Speaker 1: genetic basis to psychopathy. And we'll get more in to 374 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: that after we take a quick break to hear from 375 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:19,600 Speaker 1: one of our sponsors. So let's talk about some statistics here. 376 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,679 Speaker 1: And before we dive into these statistics, I want to 377 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: ask you guys, know, Matt, when when you first hear 378 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 1: like the words psychopath, what do you think of any 379 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:36,680 Speaker 1: Anything is fine? Anything is fine for me. It's films 380 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:43,120 Speaker 1: and television. I just finished season five of Dexter Passenger 381 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: and stuff. Sure, yeah, that's what that's within my head currently, 382 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,439 Speaker 1: at least at this moment. I know I'm behind the 383 00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:54,640 Speaker 1: times with Dexter. Also, you know iconic films Psycho, Alfred Hitchcock, 384 00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 1: American Psycho. Oh yeah, absolutely, Christian Bale, Like I have 385 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:01,320 Speaker 1: a picture of Christian Bale in my head. What what about? 386 00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: You know, I'm a big fan of American Psycho as well, 387 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 1: because it's kind of like it almost pokes fun at 388 00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: the model of psychopathy a little bit, and the way 389 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:14,560 Speaker 1: it u at gels so well with corporate um attitudes. 390 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: And you know, we've actually don't episode in the past 391 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: on is my Boss a Psychopath? Uh? And I think 392 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: American Psycho is a really good kind of synthesis of 393 00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: of a lot of those concerns. Feels like an American 394 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:30,959 Speaker 1: version sure of psychos. So what's interesting is that in 395 00:27:31,000 --> 00:27:36,200 Speaker 1: our video episode this week, we look at the chances 396 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:41,119 Speaker 1: that you may have met a psychopath. It is possible. 397 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: The numbers are the numbers are important because they're dubious. 398 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 1: It's difficult to really know if these are people who 399 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:56,240 Speaker 1: are skilled at manipulation, if they are also practicing for 400 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: most of their lives too, you know, hiding their true nature. 401 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 1: Then of course these aren't self reporting people. It's not 402 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:07,679 Speaker 1: like a a measure of statistics of people who have 403 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: blue or green or hazel eyes. Right, those are some 404 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: of the rarest eye colors, but they're readily apparent. Yeah, 405 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,000 Speaker 1: you don't have to sign on a government document anywhere 406 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: that you're a psychopath. Like, you don't have to admit 407 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: to it. Not not yet. Maybe big data contract someone's 408 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:27,640 Speaker 1: social media activity or Internet usage, and oh gosh, there 409 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: is there's some stuff coming out with looking at tweets 410 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: really and tracking if someone is displaying psychopathic Well, you know, 411 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,440 Speaker 1: we often say between the three of us on this 412 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: show that if the n Essay is tracking us or 413 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: paying attention, I mean they're all they have their weird 414 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,719 Speaker 1: Illuminati I on everybody. But if there if there's an 415 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: actual person tracking our show, it's probably an intern. I 416 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: like to think his name is Steve, And I feel 417 00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: so bad for Steve for having to listen to this. So, Steve, 418 00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:02,959 Speaker 1: if you are if our tracking our social media activity, 419 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: please let Nolan I know of that is a psychopath. Well, 420 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 1: here's the thing. They wouldn't be tracking our show. They 421 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 1: would be tracking us individually. Have you guys heard of 422 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: the anime called Psycho pass Um. It's about like sort 423 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:24,920 Speaker 1: of like a futuristic society where tracking technology has gotten 424 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 1: so good that law enforcement have these guns called the 425 00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 1: dominator dominators. The idea is that each weapon is matched 426 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: with its owner, and the weapon scans a subject, does 427 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:41,720 Speaker 1: psychological tests, matches it with database records, and determines whether 428 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: or not to use lethal force or not. Oh yeah, 429 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: smart weapons. That's something we should get into also in 430 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 1: more in depth. We could do an entire episode on 431 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 1: that and that that may indeed be a plausible future, 432 00:29:58,040 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: you know, And is it a good thing? Is it 433 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: a bad thing for the gun owners in the audience? Uh? 434 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:08,560 Speaker 1: Do you do you believe that you should have a 435 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:12,720 Speaker 1: gun that can only be fired by you right or 436 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:15,880 Speaker 1: programmed for you? Do you have? Do you believe that 437 00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: you should have a weapon that evaluates your mental state 438 00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: at the time before it allows you to use it? So, 439 00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: for many, many, many, many people, psychopaths are those those 440 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: creatures of fiction. You know, they're chasing folks with chainsaws. 441 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: They're dressing up and drag and stabbing some blonde lady 442 00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:43,280 Speaker 1: in a motel somewhere out in the American heartland. But 443 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 1: in real life, the only defining feature is that there 444 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 1: may be a profound selfishness, a lack of emotion, little 445 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 1: to no conscience. And let's talk about numbers. So you'll 446 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 1: hear widely varying estimates. You'll find some people that say, oh, 447 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 1: you have probably met a psychopath because one in a 448 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,640 Speaker 1: hundred people are psychopaths. And then you'll find another number 449 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: that says, nope, one percent of the global population will 450 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: be psychopathic. And you know, there's another question here, whether 451 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: this is a yes, no, red green kind of red 452 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: green light kind of thing like psychopath not psychopath, or 453 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: whether it's a spectrum right, and some people have these traits. 454 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: If we take the position that one per cent of 455 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: the US population or one percent of the global population 456 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: rather is uh, you know, it's psychopathic, then we would 457 00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: say we're recording this in September. There are seven point 458 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: four billion ish people on the planet, and several people 459 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 1: just got born. As I said the last sentence, there's 460 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: seven point four billion. One percent of the population is 461 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: composed of psychopaths. Then the world has seventy four million 462 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,320 Speaker 1: psychopaths right now, and some of you are probably listening 463 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: I hope you're having a good day. Uh. Your chances 464 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 1: of meeting one then seemed pretty remote, right, That's that's 465 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 1: winning a dark lottery. Uh. However, although these these estimates 466 00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:30,240 Speaker 1: may slip back and forth, the question is what are 467 00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: your odds of running into a psychopath? So for perspective here, 468 00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: the nation of Thailand has roughly sixty eight million people 469 00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: in it living there, and if all of the psychopaths 470 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:51,640 Speaker 1: estimated in the world gathered in one place, they would 471 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,160 Speaker 1: be a country larger than Thailand. That would be a 472 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: fun place to visit. Man, can you imagine just going 473 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: to any store, driving on the street. I think everybody 474 00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: would be charming on this. So, Ben Matt, what are 475 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 1: the odds that me, Noel Brown, walking around town would 476 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:22,520 Speaker 1: meet a psychopath? After accused myself? I'm kidding. Here's where 477 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:27,960 Speaker 1: it gets crazy. Your odds of running into a psychopath, 478 00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:33,000 Speaker 1: while they may seem remote, are probably going to be 479 00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: higher depending upon the industries in which you work. So 480 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: these are people who are disguising themselves. Do you remember 481 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: the theme the Transformers robots in disguise? This is more 482 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 1: like monsters in disguise, the human mask, the human mask. Yes, 483 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,680 Speaker 1: just so as you said, so there is a larger 484 00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:05,840 Speaker 1: percentage of psychopaths in in several fields, in politics and 485 00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: sales in high level corporate entities. There's also a problem 486 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: with the methodology here because if there are people who 487 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: are professionally passionately disguising themselves, then you know, going back 488 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:24,040 Speaker 1: to our earlier example about eye color, it won't be 489 00:34:24,080 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 1: a parent no Matt listeners. If you are a psychopath, 490 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: if you actually have this inability two participate in the 491 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:45,160 Speaker 1: human enterprise of empathy, then you are so dedicated to 492 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,320 Speaker 1: hiding this, you know you I can see these people 493 00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:54,000 Speaker 1: in a group, right, someone makes a joke and this 494 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 1: person laughs the loudest. A second after they see that, 495 00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:03,879 Speaker 1: I've everybody else is laughing, and they go, oh, it's 496 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: time to laugh. And this this means that this means that, 497 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:14,600 Speaker 1: given your profession, your situation, you will have a much 498 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: higher chance of running into one of these individuals. This 499 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,479 Speaker 1: will not be a one percent dark lottery for you. 500 00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,400 Speaker 1: It may very well be a reality of your daily life. 501 00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:29,319 Speaker 1: For people who have been incarcerated in the past, or 502 00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,480 Speaker 1: someone who knows has been incarcerated in the past, you 503 00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:34,719 Speaker 1: will be interested to hear about the research by a 504 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: fellow named Robert Hare. Robert Hare, who we cite in 505 00:35:39,320 --> 00:35:43,319 Speaker 1: our video series wrote a book called Without Conscience, The 506 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: Disturbing World of Psychopaths among Us and he is the 507 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,239 Speaker 1: one who developed a checklist, like you said earlier, of 508 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:57,759 Speaker 1: various behaviors, adding up, aggregating into a certain, uh, you know, 509 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 1: a certain threshold psychopathic behavior. And he found that well, 510 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:08,400 Speaker 1: maybe one percent of the global population on average will 511 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:15,160 Speaker 1: suffer from this disorder, in excess of twent of the 512 00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:21,000 Speaker 1: inmate population satisfies his definition of a psychopath. So that 513 00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 1: means that your chances of running into someone in prison 514 00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: who feels no empathy, no remorse is about one in five, 515 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,719 Speaker 1: which is which is a startling statistic and it is 516 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:40,720 Speaker 1: and it is debatable. So we're talking about how these 517 00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 1: people will be identified, or identify themselves or disguise themselves. 518 00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,759 Speaker 1: And you know what, nol, this reminds me of a 519 00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: video that you and I worked on. When we're traveling 520 00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,440 Speaker 1: New York. We spent a spoiler alert, ladies and gentlemen. 521 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:00,960 Speaker 1: We spent several days while Matt was holding down the 522 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: fort here at stuff they don't want you to know. Uh, 523 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:07,600 Speaker 1: We Nolan, I happen to get this opportunity to hunt 524 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:10,840 Speaker 1: down buildings that did not want to be found in 525 00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:14,759 Speaker 1: New York. These were fake buildings that were designed to 526 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:21,600 Speaker 1: look like uh brownstones, Yeah, like um, you know, townhouses, brownstones. Um. 527 00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: There was one of them that was pretty much an 528 00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:27,160 Speaker 1: entire city block and the bronx Um. The idea is 529 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: that they are intended to blend in with their surroundings 530 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: and deceive. What does that sound like, right? Exactly? That's 531 00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:38,400 Speaker 1: the that is what if if a person is a building, 532 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,520 Speaker 1: those buildings are psychopaths? Yeah, and and how do they 533 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: blend in? Right? How do the buildings blend in? How 534 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,600 Speaker 1: do the humans blend in? We're going to learn about 535 00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,600 Speaker 1: that right after we hear from a word from our 536 00:37:48,600 --> 00:38:06,799 Speaker 1: responsible and we're back. You know you guys, I know, 537 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: I thought you did a really good ending Indian line 538 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: there that was very radio voice. Thank you, and you 539 00:38:15,600 --> 00:38:19,040 Speaker 1: can tell by the speech pattern that you are not 540 00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: a psychopath. We are identifying uh psychopaths increasingly, we being 541 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:29,440 Speaker 1: the human species experts, not necessarily the the three of 542 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,680 Speaker 1: us and all of all of you listening here, who 543 00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,560 Speaker 1: are of course, uh the most important part of this show. 544 00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,920 Speaker 1: Uh do you notice uh part of what I'm doing 545 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,880 Speaker 1: here in uh my speech patterns. It's hard for me 546 00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,440 Speaker 1: to tell what it is, but it certainly sounds different. 547 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:54,399 Speaker 1: It's given me the creeps and get the willies. Uh, yes, 548 00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:58,040 Speaker 1: the willies, the Alabama shakes. Sounded like a president trying 549 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: to give a speech where you're being very deliberate about 550 00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:08,239 Speaker 1: every word you said. So there is a pretty there's 551 00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,560 Speaker 1: a pretty convincing study. And we when we say this, 552 00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:17,160 Speaker 1: we want a disclaimer here. We don't want anybody to 553 00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,719 Speaker 1: diagnose someone as a psychopath, being that this is a 554 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,839 Speaker 1: controversial definition. Oh and we should also point this out. 555 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: This is stuff they don't want you to know that 556 00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: they in this episode could be your boss, could be 557 00:39:30,760 --> 00:39:33,760 Speaker 1: your friends, could be your lover, could be your child, 558 00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: could be a relative. Right, They would be the psychopaths 559 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,799 Speaker 1: that you may have met. They might be you if 560 00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,279 Speaker 1: you were a psychopath and you were listening today. So 561 00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: a fascinating study came out in September of two thousand 562 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,480 Speaker 1: eleven and was called Hungry Like the Wolf, a word 563 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,520 Speaker 1: pattern analysis of the language of psychopaths. And the reason 564 00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,839 Speaker 1: that I was playing around with speech a little bit 565 00:40:01,120 --> 00:40:03,600 Speaker 1: and that last thing where you guys noticed something was 566 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: what I guess Chuck Bryant would call hinky mm hmm. 567 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:15,160 Speaker 1: Is the following psychopaths in in comparison to a control 568 00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:21,000 Speaker 1: group include more rational cause and effect descriptions. So because 569 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: of this, or since this focused on material needs like 570 00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:33,160 Speaker 1: I'm hungry, I'm thirsty, I'm poor or whatever, and there 571 00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:37,040 Speaker 1: are fewer references to social needs or you know, the 572 00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: more spiritual stuff like family, religion, love, you know what 573 00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: I mean. And psychopath speech Also this is key contained 574 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 1: a higher frequency of what are called disfluencies. And these 575 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,359 Speaker 1: are the us, the ums. So I've seen a lot 576 00:40:54,360 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: of us. And also also I tend to say us 577 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:05,239 Speaker 1: pretty often. Hopefully I am not a psychopath. I try to. 578 00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:07,279 Speaker 1: I try to edit those out when I can, I know, 579 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,080 Speaker 1: but there's so many. You know, I was just saying 580 00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: I was imagining myself. They're saying um every moment, right. 581 00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:21,080 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that we are necessarily madmen. This this 582 00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:26,320 Speaker 1: indicates in this study, this indicates that describing a quote 583 00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:32,239 Speaker 1: unquote powerful emotional event to another person it was relatively 584 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:38,120 Speaker 1: difficult because it's like you're It's similar to when you're 585 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:42,480 Speaker 1: watching something streaming versus watching something that already exists on 586 00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:47,160 Speaker 1: your computer. There's some sort of transit tifering. Yeah, there's buffering. 587 00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:51,319 Speaker 1: That's the word exactly. So there's this buffering thing. You know. 588 00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,080 Speaker 1: This makes me think of the replicant test and Blade 589 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 1: Runner sure, where they measure someone's dilation right of the 590 00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:03,800 Speaker 1: of the pupils when they described like there's a turtle, turtle, 591 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:11,399 Speaker 1: it's on its back. It can't get up, you see it? Why? What? Right? What? Yet? 592 00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:17,080 Speaker 1: And so with this in mind, uh, with this in mind, 593 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,239 Speaker 1: there starts to be an illuminating and speech pattern, right, 594 00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,279 Speaker 1: at least according to the study, So psychopaths also their 595 00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: final note, psychopaths also used more past tense and less 596 00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:35,360 Speaker 1: present tense verbs in their narrative, which the scientists took 597 00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:43,360 Speaker 1: to mean there was a greater psychological detachment from an incident. Right. However, 598 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:49,240 Speaker 1: there's there's one difference in that in that final point, 599 00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:54,719 Speaker 1: and that difference is that the people they were interviewing 600 00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:59,000 Speaker 1: were psychopathic homicide offenders based on the checklist devised by 601 00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:04,799 Speaker 1: Robert Hare. So of if my question is are you 602 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:08,120 Speaker 1: more likely to use past tense when you're in prison? 603 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:13,920 Speaker 1: I think you may well be Yeah. Their conclusion is 604 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:18,000 Speaker 1: that I will quote this, these language differences, presumably beyond 605 00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:21,799 Speaker 1: conscious controls support the notion that psychopaths operate on a 606 00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,040 Speaker 1: primitive but rational level. The important part there is in 607 00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,399 Speaker 1: the beginning where they say presumably beyond conscious control. So 608 00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,800 Speaker 1: the argument is that with these people who are skilled 609 00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:42,400 Speaker 1: manipulators and deceptive, these living decepticons to do another Transformers reference, 610 00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:48,520 Speaker 1: they are unable to control these small patterns of speech, 611 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:53,160 Speaker 1: and this means that there would be an underlying factor here. 612 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:58,120 Speaker 1: So that is one of the giveaway signs. No, I 613 00:43:58,200 --> 00:44:01,200 Speaker 1: certainly hope that no one is going to go around 614 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:07,120 Speaker 1: thinking that guy says uh a lot, that guy says 615 00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:11,040 Speaker 1: um quite a bit, uh, any any one of these 616 00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 1: things on this checklist right, any of these descriptors. It 617 00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 1: makes me nervous that people will just be looking for 618 00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: these now in people they walk past, people they love, people, 619 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:27,520 Speaker 1: you know, they work we work with. Um. Oh god, 620 00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:34,640 Speaker 1: I said, um, it's making me so paranoid. No one 621 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,360 Speaker 1: thing before we before we moved too far beyond it. 622 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,800 Speaker 1: When we did the episode that you mentioned no about 623 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,839 Speaker 1: is whether someone's boss is a psychopath? We found some 624 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:51,880 Speaker 1: pretty fascinating disturbing statistics. So if if psychopaths one percent 625 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:58,280 Speaker 1: of global population identified psychopaths, once you get to about 626 00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 1: middle management level incorporate America, at least about four per 627 00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:09,560 Speaker 1: cent of people are going to be psychopaths, which is 628 00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:16,000 Speaker 1: which is weird because it also I think it I 629 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:21,680 Speaker 1: think it explains partially the actions of corporate entities. Oh wow, 630 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,560 Speaker 1: when the people that are controlling them towards the center 631 00:45:25,600 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: and top have these callous disregard for everybody else, certainly 632 00:45:30,120 --> 00:45:34,200 Speaker 1: a lack of empathy there and a you know, I 633 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:36,680 Speaker 1: don't know if if anyone out there has ever dealt 634 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,520 Speaker 1: with higher level corporate types, but there is a certain 635 00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,040 Speaker 1: I gotta keep saying, a human maskiness about them, you know, 636 00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 1: with the glad handing and all of the right. Yeah, exactly, 637 00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,880 Speaker 1: this idea of sort of trying to relate to people 638 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,799 Speaker 1: on the ground sort of that are beneath them quote 639 00:45:57,880 --> 00:46:02,200 Speaker 1: unquote in the corporate structure, and um, usually it's quite 640 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 1: obvious that that they don't actually care about anybody except 641 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:11,799 Speaker 1: for the bottom line and their ability to uh kind 642 00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 1: of steer people's actions towards whatever metric will make them 643 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,960 Speaker 1: look best. You know, Robert Hare had a very interesting 644 00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,560 Speaker 1: quote about that. Someone was asking him about his study 645 00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:30,200 Speaker 1: with prisoners and the reports of people meeting his threshold 646 00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:34,400 Speaker 1: for psychopathy in the corporate world, and he said, you know, 647 00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,920 Speaker 1: I would love to have interviewed some of those people, 648 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:41,840 Speaker 1: because I think the number might even be higher. And 649 00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:48,279 Speaker 1: of course corporate entities are are brutal, and we were 650 00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:53,120 Speaker 1: reaching arguably the age of the corporation rather than the 651 00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:57,279 Speaker 1: age of the state. It sounds like a good podcast episode, 652 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,799 Speaker 1: you know what, Maybe it would be. I don't know, 653 00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,160 Speaker 1: maybe we should do that. What do you think, Yes, yeah, 654 00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,360 Speaker 1: you think so, let us know what you think, listeners. 655 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,000 Speaker 1: There's one thing other thing we should follow up on here, 656 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,719 Speaker 1: and that is the argument that there is a genetic 657 00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:20,640 Speaker 1: a genetic um factor in psychopathy. Have you ever heard 658 00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:25,239 Speaker 1: of something called the warrior gene? Sounds familiar, but I 659 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,719 Speaker 1: couldn't tell you what it was. So this is this 660 00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:33,839 Speaker 1: is tremendously controversial because so much of the history of 661 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:39,719 Speaker 1: modern science is dictated by institutionalized racism. Essentially, we have phrenology, right, 662 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:43,160 Speaker 1: you could tell by the bump on an irishman's head 663 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:51,120 Speaker 1: that he was made velocity and insolence. Eugenics and eugenics 664 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,839 Speaker 1: as well, uh eugenics being eugenics being like, well it's 665 00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,719 Speaker 1: it's a crime not to sterilize the Welsh, you know, 666 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:06,839 Speaker 1: quick and dirty reader's digest. But but the this, this 667 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:11,040 Speaker 1: idea that is very close to the Christian concept of 668 00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:19,640 Speaker 1: original sin, is that there are inborn things that determine 669 00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:25,560 Speaker 1: the course of a person's life. Research is indicating that 670 00:48:25,600 --> 00:48:32,319 Speaker 1: there may be an inborn gene, a genetic aspect of 671 00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,600 Speaker 1: fundamental part of someone's DNA that makes them more likely 672 00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,680 Speaker 1: to be a psychopath. The idea of a criminal gene 673 00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:44,520 Speaker 1: is nonsense, but the roots of what becomes the Damer, 674 00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:48,839 Speaker 1: what becomes the ted Bundy, may indeed be something that 675 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:53,640 Speaker 1: is there from the moment that person is formed. So 676 00:48:54,520 --> 00:48:57,960 Speaker 1: people know that genes play a why like an important 677 00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,280 Speaker 1: role in behavior. Stuff you should know as an excellent 678 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,680 Speaker 1: episode about epigenetics, which is that the behaviors of our 679 00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:13,360 Speaker 1: ancestors or our our parents or grandparents will affect the 680 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:20,600 Speaker 1: way our genes manifest Possibly it is debatable, however, there 681 00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:23,680 Speaker 1: there's studies that say that show this has worked in 682 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:31,840 Speaker 1: certain situations related to physical things. Yeah, likelihood of diabetes 683 00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: for instance. However, what what we're finding is that, you know, 684 00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:44,360 Speaker 1: the study of behavioral genetics is very, very, very very 685 00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:48,480 Speaker 1: what's the new safe word? Problematic? Is that really the 686 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:52,080 Speaker 1: new safe word? It is? And Ben, Yeah, it's problematic. 687 00:49:53,320 --> 00:50:00,480 Speaker 1: So there's a there's a low expression variant of M 688 00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:02,920 Speaker 1: A O A and it's known as M A O 689 00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,040 Speaker 1: A L and it's been linked in various studies with 690 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,520 Speaker 1: an increased risk of violent and aggressive behavior. So, if 691 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,440 Speaker 1: you want to get into the inside baseball of it, 692 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:17,640 Speaker 1: studies essentially showed this The gene M A O A 693 00:50:17,920 --> 00:50:22,279 Speaker 1: encodes monoamine today's A, and that's an enzyme that degrades 694 00:50:23,719 --> 00:50:31,440 Speaker 1: UH neurotransmitters like dopamine, nora, adrenaline, serotonin. So this disorder, 695 00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:34,320 Speaker 1: if there's a rare genetic disorder caused by a mutation 696 00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:38,240 Speaker 1: in this gene having M A O A L instead 697 00:50:38,280 --> 00:50:43,080 Speaker 1: of m A O A UH, this deficiency can cause 698 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:48,000 Speaker 1: an excess of these transmitters, which will lead to an 699 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:53,960 Speaker 1: excessively impulsive behavior, hyper sexuality, sleep disorder, extreme mood swings, 700 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:58,839 Speaker 1: and tendency toward violence, also known as Brunner syndrome. And 701 00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:03,640 Speaker 1: people disagree over the science, but they also furthermore disagree 702 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 1: about the implications of this. And here's the other thing. 703 00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:14,880 Speaker 1: This variant M A O A L is common. It 704 00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,879 Speaker 1: occurs to approximately of the population. So if one per 705 00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:24,840 Speaker 1: cent of the population is exhibiting psychopathic behavior, then it 706 00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:27,360 Speaker 1: can't be just nature. There has to be some nurture 707 00:51:27,880 --> 00:51:32,839 Speaker 1: involved as well, or nurture or lack of nurture as well. 708 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:39,680 Speaker 1: So this is where we reach towards our conclusion. And 709 00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:46,080 Speaker 1: we don't want anyone to feel that they are listening 710 00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,960 Speaker 1: to this show and maybe on a road trip and 711 00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:52,040 Speaker 1: looking over at the person with them in the car 712 00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:56,000 Speaker 1: and thinking, you know, how much how well do I 713 00:51:56,080 --> 00:52:00,640 Speaker 1: know Derek from HR Sure he says a lot monster, 714 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,319 Speaker 1: He might be a monster. He might be wearing a 715 00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 1: mask of human skin. Now, we don't want you to 716 00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,200 Speaker 1: think that, And we also don't want you to think 717 00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,439 Speaker 1: that we take this lightly in any way, because this 718 00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: is a mental illness that we've been speaking about this 719 00:52:15,200 --> 00:52:19,319 Speaker 1: entire time that affects real people in real ways. And 720 00:52:20,160 --> 00:52:24,840 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean just because someone displays traits of this, 721 00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: it doesn't mean they're going to be violent. It does 722 00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:31,400 Speaker 1: not mean that just means that they may be a 723 00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:39,000 Speaker 1: little deceptive. Well, it also It also means that we 724 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:43,279 Speaker 1: are as a species in an age where we are 725 00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:48,520 Speaker 1: still learning about ourselves. We are the original pieces of 726 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:53,959 Speaker 1: technology that we still don't completely understand, and we're able 727 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:59,080 Speaker 1: to build amazing things. We are not at this point 728 00:52:59,120 --> 00:53:05,240 Speaker 1: able to build a person. We're reaching towards genetic modification. 729 00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:08,040 Speaker 1: We also have to ask ourselves every time that a 730 00:53:08,200 --> 00:53:13,560 Speaker 1: gene exists or propagates. The population is a hell of 731 00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:18,760 Speaker 1: a number, and we always have to ask ourselves why 732 00:53:19,200 --> 00:53:23,759 Speaker 1: a certain gene became successful, Why did it propagate? Does 733 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:29,160 Speaker 1: the world needs psychopaths? In some ways? Are psychopaths more 734 00:53:29,200 --> 00:53:37,800 Speaker 1: likely to be good soldiers, good politicians? Our psychopaths lacking 735 00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:42,000 Speaker 1: empathy or fear more likely to be someone there in 736 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:45,240 Speaker 1: a clutch to save a life, to do a job 737 00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:50,200 Speaker 1: because they don't suffer from the the the identification like 738 00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:55,880 Speaker 1: could they be better surgeons because they don't feel a 739 00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,239 Speaker 1: discomfort when they see someone bleeding out. It's almost more 740 00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:06,320 Speaker 1: of an adaptation instead of, you know, disorder. Perhaps interesting 741 00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:08,799 Speaker 1: to think about. Yeah, And of course, as Matt said 742 00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,879 Speaker 1: at the top, we are not trained psychologists. We do 743 00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:17,799 Speaker 1: not endorse self diagnosis or diagnosing someone else. If you 744 00:54:17,960 --> 00:54:23,279 Speaker 1: do have concerns about yourself, a loved one, someone you know, 745 00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:32,239 Speaker 1: seek professional medical advice. And if they're a surgeon and 746 00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:35,120 Speaker 1: they might operate on us later, please feel free to 747 00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:40,040 Speaker 1: not tell them about our speculation regarding surgeons and psychopaths. 748 00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,000 Speaker 1: That would be great. And with that said, we are 749 00:54:45,600 --> 00:54:48,560 Speaker 1: off to do a little bit more. We've got some 750 00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,960 Speaker 1: We've got some interesting stuff coming up on the way, 751 00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:55,799 Speaker 1: so please tune in, but more importantly, let us know 752 00:54:56,239 --> 00:54:59,319 Speaker 1: what you think. You can follow us on Facebook, Instagram, 753 00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:01,480 Speaker 1: it or I don't know why I said the last 754 00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:04,160 Speaker 1: one like a curse word. Hey, find us on Google Plus. 755 00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:07,239 Speaker 1: Everybody uses that, right, We've got my Space, We've got 756 00:55:07,239 --> 00:55:13,600 Speaker 1: a live journal, We've got um, a Friendster, Friendster, a SoundCloud, Right, 757 00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,319 Speaker 1: I know what I'm saying. We're actually on SoundCloud. Find 758 00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 1: us on all those internet spaces, that digital cloud. Also, 759 00:55:23,160 --> 00:55:26,920 Speaker 1: if you have time, and if you if you appreciate 760 00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,880 Speaker 1: the show, or if you want your friends to know 761 00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:34,799 Speaker 1: about it. Uh, you feeling charitable, generous, philanthropic, Your way 762 00:55:34,800 --> 00:55:38,719 Speaker 1: of giving back could be leaving us a review. Yeah, 763 00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,279 Speaker 1: especially on iTunes, on what Stitcher. They're all kinds of 764 00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:44,920 Speaker 1: places you can leave a review. Doesn't have to be positive. 765 00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:46,960 Speaker 1: That would be great if it was, but it doesn't 766 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,320 Speaker 1: have to be. No, it really should be positive. Please 767 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:54,440 Speaker 1: that you are clearly the least psychopathic person amongst the 768 00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,840 Speaker 1: three of us. Have such empathy, man, I just you know, 769 00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:00,720 Speaker 1: I want people to just give us the straight truth. 770 00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,640 Speaker 1: Let us know that's what we seek here. 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