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Speaker 4: Well he filled in for me last week.

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Speaker 2: Popular talk show host in Chicago, really talented guy, Danny Parkins.

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Speaker 2: I never wanted to be an eighty percent NFL show.

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Speaker 2: And as I've done this, the longer I've done this,

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Speaker 2: and I thought, God, you could put my show, it

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Speaker 2: goal of mine. I actually the WNBA to me has

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Speaker 2: been such a breath of fresh air, not because I'm

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Speaker 2: the NFL bubble. Do you ever feel a little bit

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Speaker 2: sometimes like God, I'm doing seventy five percent NFL talk

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Speaker 2: and I can do more more than that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, it was funny filling in for you.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm in that pitch meeting and I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: you know, his NFL Team USA things like that, a

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Speaker 1: which is why you were on vacation, and and they're like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, so that's like, that's like enough, and

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Speaker 2: to look back. My rule has always been I have opinions.

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Speaker 2: You can have opinions on my opinions. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: Like I got three hours to fill tomorrow. But I

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Speaker 2: Internet has scared away a lot of sports hosts. Not

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Speaker 2: They don't care like I, but a lot of sports

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Speaker 2: told you have a hot take.

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Speaker 4: But the truth is, I like sportscasters who are.

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Speaker 2: Like, I wanna lay it out here, like I don't

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Speaker 2: get this, And about two years ago, this was my

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Speaker 2: hot take, and I'm gonna ask for your hottest take,

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Speaker 2: and my hot take was Luca is just a much.

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Speaker 4: Better version of Carmelo.

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Speaker 2: come to terms with it. A prodigy offensively therefore never

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Speaker 2: his teams will be lobsided and he'll go through teammates,

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Speaker 2: a better version of Carmelo. And I don't think it's

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Speaker 2: Mello for his lack of postseason success. As an all

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Speaker 4: Right, is that Luca is.

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Speaker 2: A better version of Mellow. He's never going to be

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Speaker 2: into your artistry on the piano. Right, And I think

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Speaker 2: they're so gifted offensively, where Lebron never had a great

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Speaker 4: He really had to work at it.

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Speaker 2: Mellow at twelve could hit an eighteen foot and it

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Speaker 4: It was a monet.

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Speaker 2: And that that's my hot take, is that Luca we're

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Speaker 2: gonna look back. He's going to be a top five score.

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Speaker 2: He may get a ring. He's never in great shape,

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Speaker 2: that really engaged defensively, and he'll he'll go through a

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Speaker 2: That's my hot take, where's yours?

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Speaker 1: It's a good one. It's a good one. Luca a

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Speaker 4: Like Mellow. Mellow up your score, Lucas Man.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I have so many that like age poorly

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Speaker 1: You know the one from your from the six hours

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Speaker 1: most in my group chat with like my friends, Nick

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Speaker 1: He's there have been multiple coaches that have been there.

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Speaker 1: I have to say that when I watched these games,

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Speaker 4: Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes.

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Speaker 2: That's it.

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Speaker 1: That's the list, and my list was Mahomes won, Allen two,

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Speaker 1: No one's thrown for more yards through the first five

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Speaker 2: Now, is there a hot take that you're proud of?

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Speaker 2: I'll throw one out. I said, Johnny manziel And Zach

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Speaker 2: I'm like, guys, go to the three best teams he

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Speaker 2: This is not an NFL starting quarterback. So pat myself

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Speaker 2: But in retrospect, you're like, I'm kind of proud of

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Speaker 2: Well, I only get the opportunity a couple times a

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Speaker 2: in America. You know, Connor, my friend, He's got a book.

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Speaker 2: called Out of the Darkness, The Mystery of Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 2: It comes out next month. You know, as she written

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Speaker 2: this book, it helped me to laugh. But Aaron's like

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Speaker 6: I did, actually, Colin, and thank you very much for

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I think, you know, complex people are interesting, and

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Speaker 2: He's just brilliantly gifted. Jeter was more of a leader,

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Speaker 2: a Rod was more talented. Brady's more of a leader.

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Speaker 2: Aaron's just more talent. And that I look at him

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Speaker 2: that there's a lack of fundamental lack of trust in

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Speaker 2: a process, and when he struggles early in games, his

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Speaker 2: body language shifts. When he trails latent games, there's a

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Speaker 2: lack of trust for the play calling. And that's part

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Speaker 2: of his personality. It's the only thing I can figure

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Speaker 2: out and decipher why a gifted quarterback in twenty one

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Speaker 2: playoff games has only one come from behind win. Does

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Speaker 2: any of this line up with some of his unique

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Speaker 2: personality quirks or his fundamental base personality.

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Speaker 6: Well, when he was younger, he was a fearless postseason player,

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Speaker 6: and I think he what He won four of his

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Speaker 6: first five postseason games, and the throw he made to

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Speaker 6: beat Pittsburgh in the Super Bowl. The third down throw

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Speaker 6: over the middle to Jennings is one of the great

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Speaker 6: throws in Super Bowl history on third down. If that

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Speaker 6: passes incomplete, I think the Steelers win that Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: And so he makes that play and other plays in

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Speaker 6: that game and in that postseason run. If you go

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Speaker 6: back Colin as I did, of course, and looked at

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Speaker 6: particularly the game against at Land and the playoffs that

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Speaker 6: year that he wonted, you cannot play the position at

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Speaker 6: a higher level than that, right. He had some Alan

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Speaker 6: Irison type ankle breaking moves to escape guys in the

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Speaker 6: pocket that were just unbelievable, and the throws he made

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Speaker 6: and just the way he played in that game was

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Speaker 6: it was art. It was just hard to believe somebody

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Speaker 6: could play at that level. And after watching that game

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Speaker 6: and seeing him win the Super Bowl, it is really

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Speaker 6: hard still after studying his career in his life, to

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Speaker 6: come to grips with the fact that the Packers could

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Speaker 6: not figure out a way to win a second ring

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Speaker 6: with this guy. It's just unbelievable. One thing I'll point out,

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Speaker 6: so this doesn't really relate to his upbringing or character traits,

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Speaker 6: but he listen, if they recover an onside kick. He's

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Speaker 6: in the second Super Bowl. They don't recover it onside kick,

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Speaker 6: and didn't do six other things in the final minutes

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Speaker 6: of that game. And by the way, and by the way,

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Speaker 6: that comeback drive to tie and send it into overtime

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Speaker 6: against Seattle is totally forgotten. Was an amazing drive by

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Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers to get that game into overtime after the

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Speaker 6: team and really the coaching staff around him fell apart.

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Speaker 6: So that doesn't count because they lost, but just in

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Speaker 6: that building, the loudest building in the NFL, after the

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Speaker 6: rest of the team really folded around him to drive

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Speaker 6: that team down the field to force overtime and lose

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Speaker 6: it basically on a coin toss. So that's a tough one.

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Speaker 6: Because they get to the Super Bowl that year. They

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Speaker 6: had beaten New England in the regular season, so they

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Speaker 6: would have a lot of confidence against Brady in the

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Speaker 6: Super Bowl that year. But he did not have Belichick. Okay,

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Speaker 6: Mike McCarthy was not a bad coach, but he's not

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Speaker 6: even close to Belichick. Tom Brady also had the best

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Speaker 6: offensive coordinator of his generation, and Brady had this great

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Speaker 6: system that Belichick created, right, and Aaron Rodgers had had

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Speaker 6: a slightly better than average head coach and didn't have

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Speaker 6: that system or offensive coordinator a lot of times, didn't

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Speaker 6: have a great defense, and so I think that's that. Hey,

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Speaker 6: it's there, and it's part of his legacy. The lack

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Speaker 6: of comeback victory certainly is right there on his record.

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Speaker 6: But he very easily, in a different situation would have

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Speaker 6: the multiple rings that he doesn't have right now that

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Speaker 6: everybody holds against him, and he has a part in

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Speaker 6: that too. There were postseason victories that he left on

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Speaker 6: the field that he could have made a play to

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Speaker 6: overcome somebody else, and he didn't do that, and certainly

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Speaker 6: that is part of his record as well.

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Speaker 2: Now, I always thought there was such a unique, interesting

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Speaker 2: contrast between this great looking hipster it went to Burke

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Speaker 2: that ends up in Green Bay, Wisconsin, the smallest talking

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Speaker 2: about the loneliest places in the NFL. Do you think

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Speaker 2: Aaron on a social level, what was Green Bay like

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Speaker 2: for him? That's always been fascinating. I know he goes

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Speaker 2: to Malibu in the offseason, but for about twenty weeks

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Speaker 2: you live in Green Bay, Wisconsent.

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Speaker 4: Didn't you think he liked it? Appreciated it?

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Speaker 6: He did and it's funny because after he got drafted,

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Speaker 6: of course, he's very disappointed that he plunged in the

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Speaker 6: first round. He was supposed to a lot of people

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Speaker 6: thought he should have gone number one to his childhood

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Speaker 6: team San Francisco. That was his dream. The Niners pick

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Speaker 6: Alex Smith instead, so he falls to twenty four to

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Speaker 6: Green Bay and Thomas Weatherspoon, former NCAA champion sprinter, was

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Speaker 6: a trainer for Aaron Rodgers. A guy made him faster,

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Speaker 6: and he said to him, this is great. This is

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Speaker 6: like Chico with snow and the green Bay Quarterbacks. In

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Speaker 6: green Bay, they're gonna build a statue for you and

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Speaker 6: they're gonna love you to death, and there's no better

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Speaker 6: place to be. So this plunge in the first round

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Speaker 6: is really a blessing in disguise, and I think Aaron

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Speaker 6: saw that. And now I don't think the Green Bay

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Speaker 6: community embraced him like it embraced Brett Farr, because they

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Speaker 6: saw Farv as one of us, even though he was

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Speaker 6: from the South. Yes, right, hunter fisherman, hanging out with

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Speaker 6: the boys in the bar, high fiving fans over a

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Speaker 6: beer by everyone around in the bar, until, of course

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Speaker 6: he went into until he got sober and and then

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Speaker 6: that changed a little bit. But yeah, they saw he

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Speaker 6: is one of us, and I don't think they ever

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Speaker 6: saw Rogers as one of us. But I think it

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Speaker 6: was a really good fit for him, coming from a

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Speaker 6: small market being overlooked, coming a Juco guy, and then

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Speaker 6: he ends up in Green Bay and it really was

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Speaker 6: a great marriage, even though it wasn't the same relationship

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Speaker 6: with the fans that Farv had. And it just can't

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Speaker 6: believe that they only won one championship with him when

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Speaker 6: you look at the talent, and some of it is

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Speaker 6: his fault, but it's a shame. And really, at the

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Speaker 6: end for John Elway, he got a second ring, got

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Speaker 6: his first ring and a second ring at the end

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Speaker 6: of his career, and Peyton Manning got that second ring

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Speaker 6: right at the end of his career. And I think

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Speaker 6: that it would be a good thing, really to see

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Speaker 6: Aaron Rodgers get that second ring before he retires, because

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Speaker 6: he's too good to retire with one ring. Thankfully he's

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Speaker 6: got one and not zero, because we'd be really destroying

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Speaker 6: him for that, but he really should retire with multiple rings.

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Speaker 6: And hey, listen, the Jet fan base is the most

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Speaker 6: fatalistic fan base I've ever encountered, and at some point

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Speaker 6: it's going to happen. Entering the two thousand and four season,

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Speaker 6: the Red Sox fan base thought it would never happen,

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Speaker 6: and it did. Entering twenty sixteen, the Cubs fan base

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Speaker 6: thought it would never happen, and it did. New York

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Speaker 6: Ranger fan base in ninety four thought it would never happen,

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Speaker 6: and it did so at some point it will happen

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Speaker 6: for the Jets. Hopefully it'll be the this year.

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