WEBVTT - Episode 85: MOBAs 0:00:09.080 --> 0:00:12.000 Hello, and welcome to another edition of Nertificent. I am 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:14.680 one half of your host, Danny Fernandez, sending it across 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.919 from me as always, if you want Danny's work husband 0:00:19.200 --> 0:00:25.319 forever locked down, it's true, we do. We don't know 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:26.880 it's true to keep to marry each other if we 0:00:26.960 --> 0:00:30.280 don't get married, people know that is absolutely not to marry. Nope, 0:00:30.280 --> 0:00:32.600 we've both already been married, so we actually don't have 0:00:32.640 --> 0:00:37.040 to do anything exactly. No. And then on top of that, 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:39.400 people will literally hit me up. I know people hit 0:00:39.440 --> 0:00:41.120 you up though when they need my number, but people 0:00:41.120 --> 0:00:43.240 will hit me up and be like, where's your work husband? 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.000 I'm like, I don't, like, are you asking about where 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:47.760 he is supposed to be on set? Like I don't 0:00:47.760 --> 0:00:50.920 know where he's got I swear yours. Yours is way 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:52.479 cool Because when people hit me up, it's like, hey, 0:00:52.479 --> 0:00:57.200 I want to hire people, like where's if he's bum bumself? 0:00:59.320 --> 0:01:02.040 Why isn't he on your coat tails? In this? What 0:01:02.080 --> 0:01:04.640 I was going to say is our next week, we're 0:01:04.640 --> 0:01:07.040 having our good friend Mark ellis on and I pulled 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:09.160 up a picture of him and I'm like, oh, my hobby, 0:01:09.200 --> 0:01:11.800 because like just we actually dated, like years ago. But 0:01:11.880 --> 0:01:14.280 he's just like also one of my best friends. So 0:01:14.400 --> 0:01:16.080 I just think, like, I don't know, you all have 0:01:16.120 --> 0:01:20.200 to fight it out for ultimate best friend. Very interesting 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:22.600 that ye had. It's years ago. Now you said that 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:25.800 and you're like, yeah it is. Oh man, time is 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:30.600 moving way too fast. My daughter's getting older, she's learned no, 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:35.000 not a fan of her knowing that word. She's told 0:01:35.000 --> 0:01:37.680 me to slow down. She says I drive too fast, 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:42.160 and I'm mad because she's right. Um, but you know, 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:45.000 you know how it goes. Do you want to introduce 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:49.920 our guests? Yes, that third voice here is the producer 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:54.600 of this very cast. It is a good Man and 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:57.880 his name is Dan Goodman. Hey, yeah, how many times 0:01:57.880 --> 0:02:00.560 have people done that? Well? Actually, how many podcast do 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:03.880 you produce? Yeah? Um, I produced quite a few. I'm 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:07.880 more of like a executive producer on things like Daily Zicos, 0:02:07.920 --> 0:02:11.679 which is mostly Ana Hosni's Beast, things like Worst Year Ever, 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:15.120 which is mostly Sophie Sophie Lichtman's but Chelsea Handler, which 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:18.480 was also Sophie's. I mostly do editing and engineering and 0:02:18.760 --> 0:02:21.160 recording and stuff like that. But I you know, I've 0:02:21.200 --> 0:02:23.359 been working with you all for a long time, over 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:28.640 a year. I think so before Will Ferrell invaded, before 0:02:28.760 --> 0:02:32.360 before I Heart took over. Yeah, we do like y'all. 0:02:32.720 --> 0:02:35.119 Uh I Heart, who obviously the president of I Heart 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:37.440 listens to every episode. Yeah, Bob Bittman, Hey, how are 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:39.839 you doing? But how you doing? Settling? It's a good one. 0:02:39.960 --> 0:02:48.600 We love Mr Heart Radio. What is his good heartbeat? 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:51.280 His heartbeat? Um, Dan, what are you geeking out about 0:02:51.280 --> 0:02:53.880 this week? I'm geeking out about death stranding. I think 0:02:53.880 --> 0:02:55.400 a lot of people are geeking ot about death standing 0:02:55.440 --> 0:02:57.760 right now. But I'm just really enjoying it. It hits that, 0:02:58.000 --> 0:03:01.920 you know, little nerve of I don't know, package delivery 0:03:02.000 --> 0:03:04.280 is like really therapeutic. I guess I'm just driving around 0:03:04.320 --> 0:03:06.120 this weird landscape has been a lot of fun. That's 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:07.800 been the wild thing to me is that that is 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:12.040 the game. You're just a ups guy and people are 0:03:12.040 --> 0:03:14.160 having a blast. I'm gonna get into it invidually, but 0:03:14.240 --> 0:03:17.040 there has been an influxive game between that and Pokemon 0:03:17.120 --> 0:03:21.480 Sword and Shield and you know, Jedi Fallen Order. I mean, 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:26.000 there's a lot of games coming out right now. What 0:03:26.040 --> 0:03:27.679 about you, Danny Well, I thought you were going to 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.200 take mine, but I guess I get to go for 0:03:29.480 --> 0:03:33.400 a baby Yoda. Yeah. Also, it's just like taking over 0:03:33.440 --> 0:03:35.840 my Twitter feed, like there could not be more. I think. 0:03:35.880 --> 0:03:37.840 I tweeted though, and I made people. I said, baby 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:46.040 Yoda isn't vaccinated. Remember who's obsessed with Baby Yoda? Now, 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:49.000 was like, let me have one thing that's facts though, 0:03:49.040 --> 0:03:52.280 that's true. It's kind of true. Baby Yoda can't go 0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.120 to pretty school yet. Well, and then it was yeah. 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:56.200 And then it was really funny because John Favreau actually 0:03:56.200 --> 0:04:00.760 tweeted the concept art and and somebody replied, Jeremy um Simser, 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.720 who's actually working. He's like the storyboard artist from one division, 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:06.200 which is I think it gonna be on Disney Plus, right, 0:04:06.800 --> 0:04:11.240 And so John tweeted the concept art for Baby Yoda, 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:13.320 and Jeremy was like, so you just went with the 0:04:13.360 --> 0:04:18.680 first thing baby. It was like tool tee what we saw. 0:04:19.520 --> 0:04:22.240 So anyways, that's that's a good thing. Well, what I'm 0:04:22.240 --> 0:04:26.359 geeking out besides Baby Yoda is Pokemon Sword and Shield, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.159 and this is the first time and they streamlined so 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:31.400 many things, and you know, some people feel some way, 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:34.359 some people don't. There's no longer any e V training 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.520 because they're the like stats aren't capped anymore. It's very 0:04:38.640 --> 0:04:42.320 like when you catch or fight Pokemon, it automatically goes 0:04:42.360 --> 0:04:45.040 through the whole party, so everyone. You know, some people 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:47.080 might be like it's easier, but I'm like, great, I'm 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.359 an adult now I have responsibility. So right before I sleep, 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:52.839 I can just sit back and just power level. Like 0:04:52.880 --> 0:04:54.880 it's funny that even though it's easier, I'm like, I'm 0:04:54.920 --> 0:04:57.880 still gonna power level, so I just one shot every 0:04:57.920 --> 0:05:02.080 every Pokemon that comes at me. So that is kind 0:05:02.080 --> 0:05:04.279 of like I want to say, taken over my life, 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:06.040 but really it's just kind of been there for me 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:09.400 when I just have some downtime. So that has been 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.360 popping up in the news a lot. Would you say 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.080 none of the hate is justified? I have no opinion 0:05:14.120 --> 0:05:16.279 on this. I haven't played the game, and I think 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.480 all internet wining is lame. But yeah, I mean, what's 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:24.760 your take on it? Yeah? It this I it's very 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:29.040 complicated because like I as the one who like just 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.400 enjoys whatever they give to me, like in a Pokemon game, 0:05:33.839 --> 0:05:38.200 I'll be fine. I mean, like it's a very fine game. 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.200 It plays just well, and it seems like the things 0:05:41.240 --> 0:05:45.320 people are mad about are like almost like very nitpicky, 0:05:45.400 --> 0:05:48.600 where it's like, oh, there's not the national Poka decks 0:05:48.680 --> 0:05:50.400 and all this stuff. And I think it's I do 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.760 come from a weird place knowing like wanting to go 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.560 in the game design. Being in a place where I 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.679 work with gaming, I know what goes in a game design, 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.599 and a lot of time the consumer ask for things 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:05.800 without even considering like what has to go in it? 0:06:05.920 --> 0:06:09.320 You know you you don't like they and and like 0:06:09.480 --> 0:06:12.920 then like people get very like weirdly nuanced with their 0:06:12.960 --> 0:06:14.640 thing where it's like if they would have just said 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:16.200 I was like, well, how about for once in your 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:18.359 life you give someone the benefit of the doubt. Now 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.920 about instead of saying like if they would have just 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:23.839 did this, you just go like, well, maybe they wanted 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:26.159 to do this and they didn't, but we don't. We're 0:06:26.240 --> 0:06:28.479 we're at this weird place. And I and I have 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.839 a creeping suspicion, uh that they're going to release a 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:37.320 Snyder cut because it's because they across the board have 0:06:37.320 --> 0:06:40.440 have had all the actors that have been a part 0:06:40.480 --> 0:06:43.000 of it saying it's I think it's time to release, 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.800 and it feels like a social media campaign. And I 0:06:45.880 --> 0:06:49.600 don't like the culture of allowing people to just yell 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:53.600 at yell at creators to get what they want. Uh. 0:06:53.640 --> 0:06:56.080 I think, you know, there are some people out there 0:06:56.080 --> 0:07:03.280 who make, you know, a like genuine criticism and desires 0:07:03.440 --> 0:07:05.880 and being great about it. But for every one of 0:07:05.920 --> 0:07:10.720 those people, there are twenty anime avatars saying heinous stuff 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.960 to creators. And and so I don't know, the game 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.440 freak thing, it seemed like just don't buy it, like 0:07:18.520 --> 0:07:21.960 we It's always this in gaming. This has kind of 0:07:21.960 --> 0:07:25.280 been a circular thing where like there's a large pitchfork 0:07:26.000 --> 0:07:28.400 gang of people mad about something in games, and then 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:31.400 you have the other side that goes, then don't buy it, 0:07:31.920 --> 0:07:35.960 but they The part that scares me is also when 0:07:35.960 --> 0:07:40.680 it comes to casting, Like, you know, we haven't seen 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:43.280 that quite yet. We've seen it a little bit, and 0:07:43.320 --> 0:07:46.280 some of the backlash with casting has been justified, like 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:49.600 if um whitewashed or something. But when I think of 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.240 like casting that I'm afraid of in that world, it 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:54.720 would be like when people freaked out about Heath Ledger 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:56.920 being cast as a joker, or even if you go 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:58.840 all the way back to like if there was social 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:02.360 media back then Michael key in being at Batman, like, 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:04.640 you know, nobody believed in them, and so like, is 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.320 that how far it's gonna go? Like if somebody one 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.000 of us here on this podcast gets cast in a 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.000 role and you know, for a superhero or a villain 0:08:13.400 --> 0:08:17.560 and uh, and then people are all mad and they're like, no, 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.400 I wanted Gina Rodriguez. And then it's like, you know, 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:23.120 if enough people scream about it, are they gonna as 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:25.000 a studio going to give in? Like that's the thing 0:08:25.040 --> 0:08:28.080 that kind of scares me. I'm a selfish standpoint. I 0:08:28.160 --> 0:08:32.080 love love, love, love love that you used Heath Leather 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.160 Ledger as an example because I think and even now, 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.280 the same thing people were mad at Joaquin Phoenix. Now 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:42.200 Joker fans are like coming at anyone's neck who doesn't 0:08:42.240 --> 0:08:44.079 like it. But they it was the same people who 0:08:44.080 --> 0:08:46.200 were like, oh this, I don't like this. I don't 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.400 like this, And now you're threatening critics and like docs 0:08:49.480 --> 0:08:51.880 and critics over the guy that you didn't want. And 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:54.080 then the same thing, Heath Ledger came out and now 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:56.200 he's untouchable. No one will beat that role. But y'all 0:08:56.200 --> 0:08:59.719 did not like it. How about you just wait till 0:08:59.760 --> 0:09:03.120 the movie comes out and then see what you think 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:07.440 before making yourself look silly by doing that. It's a 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:10.120 shocking problem. But and I think the thing that makes 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.360 it so wild is that they just pretend like that 0:09:12.400 --> 0:09:15.360 never happened. Like you're not seeing anyone online talking about 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.440 how they were, how they were wrong about the one 0:09:19.160 --> 0:09:21.800 they're just and that Oh Daniel Craig, remember we talked 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.199 about him being cast with James con Like, my main 0:09:24.240 --> 0:09:26.640 thing is that, like, it scares me now because nobody 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.680 was really listening back then, like they took it in 0:09:28.760 --> 0:09:31.200 and they were like, okay, whatever. But now that social 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:34.280 media is so prominent, it scares me that it might 0:09:34.320 --> 0:09:37.120 seep into not just like changing story or changing this, 0:09:37.200 --> 0:09:40.439 but actually changing the actors that are cast. I think 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:45.080 it'll only work for NERD properties because I think Hollywood 0:09:45.240 --> 0:09:48.040 has a very strong ego and they'll be damned if 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:50.080 they let some dorks online tell them what to do, 0:09:51.040 --> 0:09:52.920 you know, because because well, we can get them to 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:56.439 change Sonic, we can get them to uh, we can 0:09:56.480 --> 0:10:01.079 get them to change releases nighter cut, but we won't 0:10:01.080 --> 0:10:03.080 be able to stop them from letting white ladies write 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:06.439 K pop stories, you know, like like like they're they're 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:08.840 still gonna They're still gonna do what they want and 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.040 you know what, hey rebel, you know you might nail it. 0:10:11.559 --> 0:10:15.040 I'll have to wait and see. But also every because 0:10:15.040 --> 0:10:17.160 there was a there was a thing where like there 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:18.679 was the one side of me that was like, oh man, 0:10:18.679 --> 0:10:20.360 we should wait and see. But then there's the other 0:10:20.360 --> 0:10:23.319 side of me thinking about that, like Korean American who 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.439 was writing a K pop story, who now doesn't get 0:10:26.480 --> 0:10:28.800 to tell tell it because now that is saying So 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.360 that's like the kind of like toss up of it 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:37.040 is like when someone interjects with like a specific cultural story, 0:10:37.400 --> 0:10:40.040 if someone from that culture is writing that story, that 0:10:40.040 --> 0:10:42.920 that is now harder for them to sell because they're like, well, 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.360 you know it's great. I mean they were or you know, 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:48.320 who knows, they'll they might have already passed on a 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:50.760 K pop and then they're gonna push this one cough 0:10:50.800 --> 0:10:53.280 cough book of life, Coco, I'm looking at you. Even 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:57.640 though Coco was amazing and there were great Latin American people, 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:05.560 a part of Coco implicated we're talking about mobiles today. No, actually, 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.000 I will point out that that is a great segue, 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:11.720 because speaking of complicated and speaking of gamings, that is 0:11:11.760 --> 0:11:16.000 what mobile's a k a. Multiplayer online battle arenas are 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.240 so uh um and they're They're also known by very 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:22.679 very very very very through a few people as action 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:26.080 real time strategy games, but it's a subgenre of strategy 0:11:26.160 --> 0:11:29.320 video games that originated as a subgenre of real time 0:11:29.320 --> 0:11:32.600 strategy games, in which each player controls a single character, 0:11:32.679 --> 0:11:35.960 usually on a map in an isometric perspective, which is 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.840 more like a top down esque for these in layman's terms, 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.640 and you're a part of a team competing against another 0:11:42.640 --> 0:11:45.040 team of players. The ultimate objective is to destroy the 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:49.320 opposing team's main structure with the assistance of periodically spawned 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:54.160 computer controlled units also known as AI, artificial intelligent units 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:58.640 that march forward along set paths. However, mobile games, which 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.920 is sure for multiple are online battle arena can have 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:04.920 other victory conditions, such as defeating every player on the 0:12:04.960 --> 0:12:08.840 enemy team. Player characters typically have a set of unique 0:12:08.840 --> 0:12:12.080 abilities that improve over the course of games, which contribute 0:12:12.080 --> 0:12:15.679 to a team's overall strategy. Multiplayer online battle arena games 0:12:15.679 --> 0:12:18.280 are a fusion of real time strategy, role playing and 0:12:18.480 --> 0:12:21.720 action games. And though mobile players usually do not construct 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.760 buildings or units, there are examples of mobile games that 0:12:24.800 --> 0:12:28.480 cannot be considered RTS at all, such as Smite and Paragon. 0:12:28.559 --> 0:12:31.600 The genre is a big part of the sports community. 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:34.839 And that's the last I'll probably reference this doc because 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.439 this is something I do know very well. As a 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.400 matter of fact, before we even go into this, I'm 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:43.160 gonna just double check. I'm gonna scroll to see what 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:47.600 I was gonna say. Boom can't curse. And I was 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:52.600 really proud of how writing am Mobile's started as a 0:12:52.600 --> 0:12:56.000 as a mod which mods I know, we we have, 0:12:56.120 --> 0:12:58.280 we have even got that deep into mods really on 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.760 but mods are PC gaming, which is one of the 0:13:02.760 --> 0:13:05.520 most fun ways to game. No no hate for my 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:08.360 console fan, but PC gaming. One of the big draws 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:10.280 to it is that you can do mods to games. 0:13:10.320 --> 0:13:14.120 You can have like modifications. And one of the biggest 0:13:14.240 --> 0:13:17.439 kind of like parts of that community was the RTS 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.760 real time strategy community because you were able to build 0:13:19.840 --> 0:13:22.600 maps and then upload them to the game service for 0:13:22.640 --> 0:13:26.960 people to play. But because as we know, nerds always 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:30.360 take things to the next level, They're like, what about 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:33.440 instead of maps, we just made whole new game modes. 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.840 So there are a whole different type of game modes 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:38.920 where like it wasn't just mobis. They were like some 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:43.400 like just like strategy, farm and shooting. Looking at the history, 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:47.360 StarCraft was a popular real time strategy game. Blizzard released 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:51.480 it in became famous in a very short amount of time. Um, 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.679 if you tell people what StarCraft? What is that? What 0:13:54.760 --> 0:13:56.719 is it like to play it? Oh? Man, Yeah, let's 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:00.960 talk about StarCraft. StarCraft is very very very very important 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:04.480 to gaming and esports. Uh, it's it's it's like, just 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.520 I want to put some respect on their name. So 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.480 there was Warcraft, which eventually built the lore and led 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:13.320 to the game World of Warcraft, which became its own beast. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:17.439 But Blizzard was like, hey, you know, let's get innovative. 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.760 What if we did a sci fi version of Warcraft? Now, 0:14:21.120 --> 0:14:23.800 just to for anyone who is not familiar with the 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:28.640 Craft games at all. Typically it's a real time strategy game. Uh, 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:31.280 that kind of goes like this. You start off with 0:14:31.360 --> 0:14:35.040 a base and you have units, and you build worker 0:14:35.120 --> 0:14:38.880 units who can farm for resources usually minerals and gold. 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:42.680 Use those resources to build a base of barracks. Then 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:46.520 you upgrade your weapons for more uh for stronger units 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:49.240 as the game progresses, and then the first one to 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:54.000 destroy the other players home base wins and the game 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:55.920 had like a story that went along with it. But 0:14:56.000 --> 0:14:59.320 the game as itself, like the that's the multiplayer aspect 0:14:59.320 --> 0:15:02.680 of the game, StarCraft does the same thing. Uh, it 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.880 involves other races. So you have the Terrens which were 0:15:05.880 --> 0:15:08.160 the humans, you have the pro Toss which were these 0:15:08.200 --> 0:15:11.640 weird alien dyes in the Zourg who were these beasts. 0:15:11.720 --> 0:15:14.880 And then like I said before, you were able to 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:19.360 update upload maps, and then you had mods. So StarCraft 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:22.360 is very important to the gaming and the sports community 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:26.000 because of this reason, StarCraft blew up out here very 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.280 much so. But as the US move on to other 0:15:29.360 --> 0:15:33.080 games and flighty as we are, Korea stick to StarCraft 0:15:33.160 --> 0:15:38.240 and was having huge million dollar tournaments overseas for this game, 0:15:38.720 --> 0:15:41.640 which in turn will eventually be the thing that turns 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:44.160 the tide for America to finally get the picture and 0:15:44.160 --> 0:15:47.520 go like e sports is big over here because America 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:50.480 has like always had an e sports community, but it's 0:15:50.520 --> 0:15:54.400 always been bigger in Korea. And this is very important, 0:15:54.480 --> 0:15:57.840 like seed to plant now because within this story you 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.680 will see how they bridge the gap between how big 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:05.600 StarCraft is in Korea to how it gets big over here. 0:16:05.720 --> 0:16:09.280 It's it's within this story. Dan is shaking his head 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:14.040 in agreement, absolutely, and it's it's kind of cool. Um, Yeah, 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:15.800 I would say, I mean, I would say E sports 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:19.400 in general really like bloomed in Korea and how that 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:23.760 community took E sports and saw them as an event 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:27.560 that could honestly make money. If I'm just being real, 0:16:27.680 --> 0:16:29.080 They were like, let's just put a bunch of money 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:30.960 into this. A lot of people want to watch this, 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:34.120 They're coming out to these events, and like Korean StarCraft 0:16:34.320 --> 0:16:37.560 is where E sports was really kind of you know, exploding, 0:16:37.600 --> 0:16:39.680 and Ye showed how it could be. I mean, like, 0:16:40.000 --> 0:16:42.320 I think that's the thing. I mean, Danny and I 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:44.760 talked about it on like our episode about careers. But 0:16:44.800 --> 0:16:47.440 really everything is driven by money. I mean, that's why 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.400 we have Transformers, you know, it was to sell toys 0:16:50.480 --> 0:16:53.440 like money. I mean, money is the root of all evil, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.320 but is also the driver of all like capitalist. Once 0:16:56.360 --> 0:17:00.440 you get money involved, it can really catalyze a lot 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:04.320 of different things. But the first E sports event I 0:17:04.480 --> 0:17:08.720 see saw on television actual television, was a Korean StarCraft 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:13.880 tournament being telecast on like ABC or NBC. Yeah, but yeah, 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.760 So we have this game StarCraft and there's a there's 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:20.080 a player called aon sixty four who created a map 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:22.640 called a on of Strife and this was like the 0:17:22.680 --> 0:17:26.359 first brick of like the mobile game UH. And in 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.159 this map, players controlled the single unit and fall a 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.439 team against AI units in three lanes. The basis of 0:17:32.440 --> 0:17:35.399 the two teams were at the end of three lanes 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:38.840 and the objective was to destroy the other team space. 0:17:39.280 --> 0:17:42.120 So this is like the skeletons of a mobile, because 0:17:42.119 --> 0:17:45.040 that's one of the main things I think. Just right off, rip, 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:48.920 I can tell you the wind condition and most mobiles 0:17:49.000 --> 0:17:52.080 is to destroy the other team's main base, with their 0:17:52.320 --> 0:17:57.159 usually almost always being three lanes, and there are towers, 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:01.920 UH tiered towers on each team side, so most teams 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:04.960 have two towers before you get to the inner home 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:08.320 base tower, and you it's kind of like a slow 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.439 game of attrition between the two teams UM. And the 0:18:11.480 --> 0:18:15.280 reason these units are so important is because obviously since 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:21.320 you have UH usually about five like player characters, sometimes 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:23.000 they're going to be going to the other lanes to 0:18:23.000 --> 0:18:25.280 help each other out and while that's happening, you still 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.119 have your AI controlled units attacking. Yeah, that was a 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.800 big development that came with a DODA after a on Strife, 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.000 and Strife was really what developed or what like set 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:36.920 the standard of the three lanes and then and we 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:39.119 don't need to move on quite yet, but yeah, it 0:18:39.240 --> 0:18:41.879 was three lanes four v four. It was like the 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:44.080 max that the map would allow at the time, and 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:45.919 it was the kind of thing where players were like, 0:18:46.240 --> 0:18:49.080 we can't really split evenly amongst these three lanes with 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.680 four players on each side, and it kind of developed 0:18:51.680 --> 0:18:55.840 a meta of having different types of players played together 0:18:55.920 --> 0:18:59.040 as a team in different lanes. To you know, that 0:18:59.200 --> 0:19:02.880 just started the meta of of of two players working together, 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.679 one acting as a support to the other player, and 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:08.800 that's kind of started there. So can you, um, can 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:11.879 you explain what DODA is to people? Sure? Absolutely, So. 0:19:12.240 --> 0:19:16.520 DOTA is short for Defense of the Ancients. It was 0:19:16.760 --> 0:19:20.000 a custom map made within Warcraft three by this guy 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:24.080 named yule Um real name Kyle Summer Summer and it 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.600 really developed on the mobile developed on and Strife by 0:19:27.600 --> 0:19:31.680 giving the map a lot more character, developing it significantly 0:19:31.880 --> 0:19:35.320 graphically and also just shape wise and strife really played 0:19:35.320 --> 0:19:37.879 as a left or right kind of map, whereas DODA 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:40.520 is much more of a square where the lanes peek 0:19:40.640 --> 0:19:43.160 up the the outsides and insides, with a big middle 0:19:43.200 --> 0:19:46.280 lane that goes across the center diagonally, and a Dota 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:50.640 added something very specific that has, you know, maintained throughout 0:19:50.720 --> 0:19:54.040 all of mobile's any kind of mobile, which is the jungle. 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.840 And the jungle was the way to get in between 0:19:57.000 --> 0:19:59.439 each lanes, and it added a whole another role to 0:19:59.520 --> 0:20:02.119 mobile's which was the jungler, the person whose job it 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:05.440 was strictly to help out their teammates in their own 0:20:05.480 --> 0:20:09.359 solo lanes. Yeah. So typically, you know, as we go 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.760 through the history will also be refreshing with just straight 0:20:12.840 --> 0:20:16.520 up you know mobile knowledge. Typically the main roles that 0:20:16.600 --> 0:20:19.320 you have for the lanes is top, which is exactly 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.959 like it sounds. The top lane, which is usually a 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:25.479 solo player who's pushing with usually a beef, your tanker 0:20:25.920 --> 0:20:29.120 tank your champion, because you're doing that by yourself. Then 0:20:29.160 --> 0:20:32.240 you have mid, which is usually like a newker champion 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.560 or a mage because that since that's the shortest lane, 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:37.720 it's a lot of back and forth and it's kind 0:20:37.720 --> 0:20:40.800 of the most contentious point. Then you have the bottom lane, 0:20:40.800 --> 0:20:44.840 which usually has two shared roles, which is the A 0:20:45.000 --> 0:20:48.639 d C, which attack damage carry I think like a 0:20:48.680 --> 0:20:51.920 glass cannon. Yeah. And then you have your support which 0:20:51.960 --> 0:20:55.160 is there to protect the attack damage carry, making sure 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:58.040 and it's and it's not as simple as just kind 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.720 of playing because also as the support, you have to 0:21:00.720 --> 0:21:04.960 make sure you're not stealing any of the creep kills, which, 0:21:05.600 --> 0:21:08.120 like I said, we'd said this is complicated. Let's talk 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:12.480 about creep kills. So those little AI controlled units are 0:21:12.520 --> 0:21:15.920 known as creeps, and you get experience for killing them 0:21:16.000 --> 0:21:18.880 only if you get the last hit on them. So 0:21:19.040 --> 0:21:21.159 you get you get some experience for killing them, but 0:21:21.200 --> 0:21:23.199 you get more if you get the last hit. So 0:21:23.280 --> 0:21:26.119 that means that the A d C has to time 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.640 that both the A d C, the top and mid 0:21:28.800 --> 0:21:30.800 have to time their hits to make sure they get 0:21:30.840 --> 0:21:34.000 the last hit, which means that the support needs to 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:36.520 be protecting them because that's where the other team will 0:21:36.520 --> 0:21:38.679 try and harass to make sure you're not getting all 0:21:38.720 --> 0:21:42.080