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Speaker 1: Welcome in Friday edition Clay Travis buck Sexton Show. Congratulations

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Speaker 1: to Notre Dame fans. You can party like it's nineteen

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Speaker 1: eighty eight. You're in a championship game. Buck may have

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Speaker 1: no idea what that actually means, but I bet we

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Speaker 1: have a lot of Golden Domers that are listening. Big

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Speaker 1: win last night over Penn State. I am in snowy Nashville, Buck,

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Speaker 1: where we are getting absolutely slammed with what Southerners would

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Speaker 1: consider to be a massive amount of snow. It's going

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Speaker 1: to be six to eight inches before all is said

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Speaker 1: and done. All the schools are closed. If you hear

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Speaker 1: kids running around and screaming, that's probably going to be

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Speaker 1: kids in my house that are out and about with

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Speaker 2: And so all of that underway.

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Speaker 3: We got a.

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Speaker 1: Bunch of legal happenings that continued fallout of the wildfires

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and the movement by the way of

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Speaker 1: a lot of sporting events. I mean, but the playoff

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Speaker 1: game there that the Rams were going to host being

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Speaker 1: there's basically continued mess there. Curfew in place, after dark.

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Speaker 1: There are looting issues that are happening in some of

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Speaker 1: these neighborhoods with the burned out homes, which is just

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Speaker 1: absolutely indefensible on top of the indefensible nature of so

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Speaker 1: much of the response to these wildfires. Will continue to

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Speaker 1: talk about that. But the story of the day Donald

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Speaker 1: Trump officially sentenced in the sham New York City case

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Speaker 1: having to do with business records. And after all of this,

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Speaker 1: after months of trial, after years of legal wranglings, after

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Speaker 1: charges being brought in DC and Atlanta, in New York

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Speaker 1: and the sentencing has now been complete, and they gave

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump an unconditional discharge, meaning, hey, there is no

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Speaker 1: punishment at all. We're not even gonna find you. This

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Speaker 1: case is over. There's no jail time, there is basically

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Speaker 1: no consequence at all. And I'm seeing buck even left

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Speaker 1: wingers that hate Trump are sort of facing this existential

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Speaker 1: crisis of their own creation where they sit around and

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Speaker 1: they say, wait, nothing actually is happening. After MSNBC and

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Speaker 1: CNN and left wing legal analysts have gotten them all

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Speaker 1: gigged up for nine years that Trump was going to

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Speaker 1: face his day in court and there would be a reckoning.

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Speaker 1: Actually nothing at all has happened. Judge merchand unconditionally discharges him.

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Speaker 1: They're trying to dance around and say he always a

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Speaker 1: convicted felon. I still think this case is going to

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Speaker 1: get tossed on appeal, I really do. But in the

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Speaker 1: meantime there are no consequences whatsoever. And in ten days

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Speaker 1: Trump is raising his right hand and takes over president

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Speaker 1: of the United States with a full House and a

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Speaker 1: full Senate behind him.

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Speaker 2: I know that a lot of things came together to

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Speaker 2: make Trump president again, but it is hard at this

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Speaker 2: point I would argue to look back and not come

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Speaker 2: away thinking that law fair against Trump may have been

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Speaker 2: the biggest political own goal we've ever seen. I've you know,

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Speaker 2: when you look at the numbers after the mar A

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Speaker 2: Lago raid and after it was clear they were criminally

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Speaker 2: prosecuting Trump, it was just it was Trump's party. The

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Speaker 2: Republicans didn't want anybody else, don't want to talk about

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Speaker 2: anybody else. Primary was a non primary effectively, and now

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Speaker 2: maybe that would have happened anyway, But I think it's

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Speaker 2: hard to look at where the numbers were before that

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Speaker 2: I think that this was something that blew up in

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Speaker 2: their faces in a way that is truly epic, and

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Speaker 2: it's hard to imagine. It's hard to imagine anything being

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Speaker 2: so poorly planned as the four criminal prosecutions of Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: all of which came to nothing other than making him

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Speaker 2: president again. Yeah, you know, and this is really important

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Speaker 2: because lawfair is the end of the republic. If it

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Speaker 2: becomes standardized lawfair in politics, that can get rid of

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Speaker 2: a political candidate because you don't like him means that

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Speaker 2: we no longer have a free and fair political system,

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Speaker 2: not not worthy of being called such. And the only

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Speaker 2: way for it to be defeated really was this, meaning

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Speaker 2: that going forward, anybody who and it's always Democrats to

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Speaker 2: do this stuff, but anybody who thinks, oh, I'm going

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Speaker 2: to take this person off the political battlefield by bringing

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Speaker 2: this person and prosecute them, they're going to say, wait

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Speaker 2: a second, what with Trump? When they did that, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 2: that was a really bad idea. And it was a

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Speaker 2: really bad idea because the American people rejected it, and

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Speaker 2: the American people. As much as sometimes it feels like,

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Speaker 2: oh my gosh, how can so many people believe this?

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Speaker 2: And so many people wear masks during COVID and all

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Speaker 2: these things, we got this one right as a country.

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Speaker 2: This was a critical stress test of our political system,

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Speaker 2: and now Donald Trump gets to the rewards.

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Speaker 1: I think it's important to go back and think about

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Speaker 1: what their goal was and to your point, see what

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Speaker 1: happens with it blowing up in their face. Their plan

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Speaker 1: what their their thought process tell me if you disagree

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Speaker 1: with any of this, buck. I think they thought when

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Speaker 1: they raided Mara a Lago and began the Lawfair in Earnest,

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Speaker 1: that they were going to pump up Trump's numbers in

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Speaker 1: the Republican primary, and that that would make him the nominee,

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Speaker 1: but that the larger American voting public, that is the

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Speaker 1: swing voter so to speak, and the anti Trump element,

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Speaker 1: would actually guarantee to them that there was no way

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Speaker 2: So it was diabolical in this respect.

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Speaker 1: I think they were right that Republicans would rally around

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Speaker 1: he got that right. I think their miscalculation was they

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Speaker 1: never really thought that Trump would be strengthened with the

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Speaker 1: so called swing voters of America based on the law

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Speaker 1: fair that they brought to bear against it. And to

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Speaker 1: your point, that's where they were wrong in their calculus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the failure of analysis from their part was it

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Speaker 2: would make him the nominee and force and make sure

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Speaker 2: he lost the election. And instead it made him the

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Speaker 2: nominee and made sure he won the election, right actually,

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Speaker 2: and was a major part of it. And we haven't

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Speaker 2: even added into this the two attempted assassinations of Donald Trump,

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Speaker 2: the way that they responded to getting shot in the

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Speaker 2: U Do you remember that, everybody who's just a few

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Speaker 2: months ago, Trump got shot in the ear. The guy

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Speaker 2: took an ar round in the ear and basically said,

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Speaker 2: let's go, let's fight up on the stage while he

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Speaker 2: had blood dripping down from his head. I mean, it

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Speaker 2: was a remarkable year in American politics, in American history

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Speaker 2: last year, and so you know, going into this inauguration,

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Speaker 2: to say there's a sense of history to it all

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Speaker 2: and a sense of destiny to it all, I think

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Speaker 2: is perhaps an understatement and the final collapse play of

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Speaker 2: the law fair right before it. His victory is absolute.

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Speaker 2: The victory is complete, top to bottom. They pushed this.

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Speaker 2: This was the first case they pushed through, so that

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Speaker 2: the whole thing was such a sham. It's like saying

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Speaker 2: that he was Hitler, which they also never believed.

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Speaker 1: It's also the case. And I like to look decades

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Speaker 1: we lived through in twenty twenty four, that election cycle,

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Speaker 1: one hundred years from now will be a best selling

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Speaker 1: book that to the extent that books are read in

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Speaker 1: the traditional way, which I still think they will. One

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Speaker 1: hundred years from now, everybody will be dissecting this book

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Speaker 1: and it'll be a number one best seller, and people

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Speaker 1: will say, can you believe what that twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: American presidential election was like? Long after every single person

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Speaker 1: here is passed, we will not be around when historians

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Speaker 1: really write and grapple with the major issues that took

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Speaker 1: sometimes read books about historic election seasons. I think I

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Speaker 1: even told you Buck, I did my history thesis on

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Speaker 1: the eighteen sixty four presidential election between Abraham Lincoln and

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Speaker 1: George McClellan, which is one of the most staggering elections

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Speaker 1: in American political history. I mean, think about that. For

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Speaker 1: I mean, that is like hard to even comprehend what

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Speaker 2: And so you go back.

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Speaker 1: I would encourage people who really are fans of history.

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Speaker 1: There's a great book about the eighteen sixty four presidential election,

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Speaker 1: but what we just lived through the twenty twenty four

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Speaker 1: new book about the twenty twenty four presidential Like I

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Speaker 1: think the biggest takeaway is an important one that you

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Speaker 1: laid out and we've been talking about for some time

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Speaker 1: the president now is that if you try to put

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Speaker 1: your chief political adversary in prison for the rest of

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Speaker 1: his life, that you actually see that blow up in

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Speaker 1: your face, and that it works against you electorally. If

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Speaker 1: it had worked, everybody would start to try to put

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Speaker 1: for the rest of his life.

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Speaker 2: And also it's a reminder that prosecutors can figure out

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Speaker 2: unethical to come up with some way that you did

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Speaker 2: something that violates the law. A violation of a law

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Speaker 2: Oh huh, he misrepresented in his business records the transaction

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Speaker 2: for the legal hush money payment. It was insane. It

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Speaker 2: And I also just think that, you know, we need

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Speaker 2: to remind ourselves. People can stretch the law to do

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Speaker 2: a whole bunch of different things. There needs to be

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Speaker 2: an ethical moral foundation to it. Did this person do

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Speaker 1: Am I wrong, buck, And we can answer this when

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Speaker 1: we come back from the break. Thinking in a larger context,

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Speaker 1: this also may well rep well, I'm curious because we

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Speaker 1: don't know, but I wonder if this represents the end of,

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Speaker 1: to a certain extent, the politics of personal destruction where

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Speaker 1: the American public, because I don't know that anybody has

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Speaker 1: been attacked more aggressively for personal foibles than Donald Trump has,

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Speaker 1: maybe in any of our lives. Bill Clinton certainly had

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Speaker 1: a unique political talent that he was able to overcome

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Speaker 1: Slash Buck Saving America one thought at a time Clay

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Speaker 1: Wildfires in LA continue to burn. They haven't been contained

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Speaker 5: You want to see somebody that responds to your house,

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Speaker 2: areas on the Palisades, most notably there are other areas

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Speaker 2: I know as well Clay. They're not going to be

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Speaker 2: people aren't going to be able to live there for years.

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Speaker 2: It will take years to rebuild if they decide to

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Speaker 2: rebuild in these areas. If some people may just decide

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Speaker 2: just to you know, to take the insurance money on

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Speaker 2: the house, all the land and move, I don't know

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Speaker 2: how that's going to work out. There are huge problems

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Speaker 2: also with the the insurance you know, the fire insurance

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Speaker 2: industry in these areas too, and it's you know, California

443
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Speaker 2: has weighed in, right, so the California just have you

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Speaker 2: seen some of this people? There are lots of people

445
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Speaker 2: who lost their plans in the Palisades just this year

446
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Speaker 2: or in the last year, I should say it's twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five now relatively recently, and it's because California puts

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Speaker 2: all these mandates for you know what level of coverage

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Speaker 2: there can be, how much coverage, how expensive it can be.

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Speaker 2: And so then they also have this this state fund

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Speaker 2: to forget what it's called, there's this fair fair I think,

452
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Speaker 2: where that's your insurance of last resort for fire home

453
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Speaker 2: insurance and it's nowhere near enough to cover the homes

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Speaker 2: right they have, So they have a pool that is

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Speaker 2: not going to be sufficient to cover the damage after

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Speaker 2: California's mandates made it so that some of the largest

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Speaker 2: insurers pulled out entirely. And and then you sit here

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Speaker 2: and you go, this is just again poor manage. It's

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Speaker 2: poor management of everything, poor management of fire, poor management

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Speaker 2: of insurance, poor management across the board. You don't want

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Speaker 2: to be in a state run by Gavin Newsom.

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Speaker 1: Can we go to this call because I think Jeremy's

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Speaker 1: going to speak for a lot of firefighters out there

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Speaker 1: who just heard the clip that we played of that

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Speaker 1: LA firefighter. And Jeremy, what's your reaction when you hear

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Speaker 1: this highly paid LA firefighter saying, Hey, if your husband's

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Speaker 1: gonna needs to be carried out, he found himself in

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Speaker 1: a bad spot.

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Speaker 2: Four hundred grand clay four hundred grand. Sorry, go ahead, Jeremy.

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Speaker 3: I think she's a complete and total moron. Number one,

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Speaker 3: it is never the victim's fault at all. Yeah, it

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Speaker 3: is a situation that happened, and I don't care the

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Speaker 3: house called on fire. You may have been asleep, now

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Speaker 3: your trap. How is that your fault?

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Speaker 1: But isn't that one of the key jobs of a

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Speaker 1: firefighter would be to get anybody out. And so when

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Speaker 1: you're saying, oh, he got himself into a bad spot,

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Speaker 1: I mean, this has to infuriate firefighters everywhere.

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Speaker 3: I would think, oh, oh, it completely ticks me out,

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Speaker 3: because my thing is we do it to save lives,

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Speaker 3: not property. Lives. Property houses and stuff can be rebuilt.

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Speaker 3: You cannot get your life back. And another thing that

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Speaker 3: really aggravated me about her comment was if you can't

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Speaker 3: carry them out, you drag them out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, yeah, thank you, thank you for calling in, Jeremy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Clay, this is where you see the people

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Speaker 2: that always claim diversity doesn't mean less capable. You know,

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Speaker 2: when you have a focus on diversity, meaning when you're

489
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Speaker 2: hiring for diversity, when you're advancing people for that reason,

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Speaker 2: it always is shown to be false. They're there because

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Speaker 2: if your focus is merit, then you don't have to

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Speaker 2: talk about DEI. So the moment that you're focusing on DEI,

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Speaker 2: you're not focusing on merit. So these things work. This

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Speaker 2: is they work, you know, in distinction to each other,

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Speaker 2: in contradiction to each other.

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Speaker 1: But we'll come back in a second. Breaking news I

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Speaker 1: just saw speaking of DEI Meta, Facebook is ending all

498
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Speaker 1: DEI programs in the company. So Zuckerberg said, hey, we're

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Speaker 1: done with fact checking. This is a headline that I

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Speaker 1: just got from Axios Exclusive three minutes ago. They are

501
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Speaker 1: ending DEI in in Meta, which is big in Silicon

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Speaker 1: Valley because this has been one of the places that

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Speaker 1: has most foisted DEI upon us.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk more about that.

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Speaker 1: I just think of timing is interesting because we're having

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Speaker 1: the La wildfire discussion in the random fire chief who

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Speaker 1: says you can't actually do the job. Your husband's screwed

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Speaker 1: based if he ends up in need.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 1: Also, i'd love to hear from other firefighters when you

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Speaker 1: hear that audio, what your reaction is. Appreciate the call

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Speaker 1: from Alabama eight hundred and two A two two eight

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Speaker 1: A two. And we also need to talk speaking of courts,

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Speaker 1: big TikTok hearing at the Supreme Court today, Buck, and

515
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Speaker 1: it's going to be intriguing to see what they do

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Speaker 1: about the potential looming TikTok band. We'll talk about all

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Speaker 1: Grandma gets them, Grandpa gets them. Everybody's able to look

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Speaker 1: at those digital photos. They're spread around easily via tech message.

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Speaker 1: But how many old great memories are you not able

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Speaker 1: to share because they're not digitized. Maybe they're still in

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Speaker 1: grandma's attic, maybe they're in your aunt or uncle's control.

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Speaker 1: How many of those photos would you like to be

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Speaker 4: With the guys on the Sunday Hang with Clay and

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Speaker 4: Buck podcast.

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Speaker 2: A new episode of Every Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get

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Speaker 1: your podcasts.

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Speaker 2: As we know, Donald Trump was sentenced this morning for

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Speaker 2: the non crime of a business records ledger issue. The

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Speaker 2: whole thing we've talked about insane. He was sentenced to

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Speaker 2: the stiff punishment of nothing, no punishment other than they

553
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Speaker 2: can still say he is technically a convicted felon, although

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Speaker 2: no serious person thinks that Donald Trump committed a felony

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Speaker 2: or any crime for that matter. I don't know what

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Speaker 2: it is going to take for Democrats to finally give

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Speaker 2: it up on this, but in the meantime we'll continue

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Speaker 2: to follow that, and I think we'll talk to Andy

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Speaker 2: McCarthy in the third hour about the whole law fair mess.

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Speaker 2: We've also got our friend Ryan Gradusky whose podcast is

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Speaker 2: doing great, a lot of you really enjoying it. It's

562
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,360
Speaker 2: putting on his full data nerd hat and going into

563
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Speaker 2: everything in the world of politics, and it's just sort

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Speaker 2: of general interest news too. He does a great job

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Speaker 2: with it's a numbers game. But Clay, I remember the

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Speaker 2: first time and I came across or heard about TikTok.

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Speaker 2: It was during the pandemic. Actually, so I was at

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Speaker 2: home and I looked something like a wooly mammoth. Did

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Speaker 2: you have the full like no haircut thing for a

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Speaker 2: long time? I think I went four or five. I

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Speaker 2: actually cut my own hair for a while, which was

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Speaker 2: at what ages. Well, during the pandemic, Clay, not as

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Speaker 2: like a child.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you were like talking about like in college,

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Speaker 1: like you were living and you know, like I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: when everything was shut down, you could nothing shut down here?

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Speaker 1: Shut down for like a month. I went and just

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Speaker 1: went to get my haircut like a normal person.

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Speaker 2: So so unfair. I should probably share. I have a

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Speaker 2: photo where I look like I don't know, I looked

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Speaker 2: like I grew up in a cave or something or

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Speaker 2: was living. You couldn't get a haircut in New York.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely not for months, like I mean, from whatever it

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Speaker 2: was February, you know, end of February, early March, shutdown

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Speaker 2: day to June, maybe July. So I mean, think, what

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Speaker 2: would what would you look like? Clay Travis, always very

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Speaker 2: well quaffed, mister Clay, what would you look like with

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Speaker 2: no haircut for six months? Dude? Think about it.

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Speaker 1: I probably looked like I did in high school. That's

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Speaker 1: why I thought I was gonna get ridiculed for my

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Speaker 1: You know, my kids have my high school yearbook photo

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Speaker 1: as their backdrop to make fun of me on their phones,

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Speaker 1: like and Laura does my wife like if you like

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Speaker 1: their screensaver is my senior class yearbook photo.

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Speaker 2: You You and my brother are the same year in

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Speaker 2: My older brother the same year in school. And I

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Speaker 2: remember this. There was a time everybody was listening to

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Speaker 2: Dave Matthews playing their Hackey Sack wearing their birken stocks

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Speaker 2: and uh, and they would they put their hair behind

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Speaker 2: their ears.

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Speaker 1: That's right, super stars. That was that was a superstyle.

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Speaker 2: That was the like I'm preppy, I play soccer and

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Speaker 2: listen to Dave Matthews and yeah, you know, like that

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Speaker 2: was the look for a while.

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Speaker 1: It was that had to talk your hair behind the ear,

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Speaker 1: and so I think it would look something like that,

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Speaker 1: but I still for people who lived in Red States,

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Speaker 1: what you guys dealt with in New York and California

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Speaker 1: is like finding out that someone was in a foreign

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Speaker 1: country because I we shut my gym buck. My gym

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Speaker 1: was back open, like by the first week of May.

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Speaker 1: Like they shut down at gym's for like six weeks,

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Speaker 1: which was stupid. But by May one ish in Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: if you lived in a normal place, your life was

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Speaker 1: basically back to normal. May one, twenty twenty. Schools opened

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Speaker 1: back up in August full go. Now people still had

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Speaker 1: to wear masks. It was stupid, but it was. There

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Speaker 1: was very little we COVID existed for like six weeks

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Speaker 1: and then people were like, yeah, this is stupid, Like

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Speaker 1: let's kind of go back to normal.

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Speaker 2: Case of New York City. My friend in New York City,

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Speaker 2: they had metrics for reopening gyms and other things. And

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Speaker 2: when we hit the metrics after all the waiting, to Blasio,

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Speaker 2: because he's a vile Communis and a little dictator at heart,

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Speaker 2: just said, yeah, I don't care, We're not opening them anyway.

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Speaker 2: So he set and.

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Speaker 1: He said, you guys had to work out in masks,

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Speaker 1: which is still crazy to me to think about. Like

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Speaker 1: in the gym you had to have a mask on.

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Speaker 1: People would come up to you and yell at you.

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Speaker 1: On the treadmill.

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Speaker 2: If you were on a treadmill without a mask, think

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Speaker 2: about that, you had to run with your mask on.

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Speaker 2: It was the dumbest thing in the world. And along

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Speaker 2: with this and danger, so stupid. Bad for you, by

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Speaker 2: the way, you're all these fibers and stuff you're in here.

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Speaker 2: It's horrible. Anyway. I bring it up because that was

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Speaker 2: when I learned about TikTok, and I remember the first

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Speaker 2: TikTok video. I'm getting a little nostalgic about TikTok because

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Speaker 2: it might be rip TikTok here pretty soon thanks to

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Speaker 2: the Supreme Court, uh well, actually not the Supreme Court

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Speaker 2: it's a law that's been passed and now the Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court's weighing in on it. But uh, it was a

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Speaker 2: shuffle dance which I tried a little bit during COVID.

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Speaker 2: I did not do very well with that, so uh,

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Speaker 2: you know, you know, do you know what I'm talking about.

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Speaker 2: That was one of the big things TikTok went viral

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Speaker 2: for in the early days, teaching people during COVID how

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Speaker 2: to do these little dance steps at home. And I

650
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Speaker 2: did not go through this universe. We were just not

651
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Speaker 2: that home that much. I'm sorry. I'm sorry, mister German

652
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Speaker 2: cinephile over here.

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Speaker 1: Hold on, you in your apartment by yourself, were learning

654
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Speaker 1: how to do dances.

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Speaker 2: This is what you were doing in your free time.

656
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Speaker 2: I was, you know, like I was trying to pick

657
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Speaker 2: up a new hobby. Don't worry about whether it was

658
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Speaker 2: dancing or not. The point is that was when I

659
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Speaker 2: first saw TikTok. I can't imagine you.

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Speaker 1: First of all, I told you this when we first

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Speaker 1: started doing the show in June of twenty one. Sometime

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Speaker 1: that summer, I was up in New York and you

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Speaker 1: were like, oh, you can come see my apartment, and

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Speaker 1: I walked in, and I was like, I would have

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Speaker 1: gone absolutely insane if I lived in a city and

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Speaker 1: they walked down and I had to stay in an

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Speaker 1: apartment like you're in a high rise apartment building. The

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Speaker 1: only reason to live in New York City, in my opinion,

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Speaker 1: is to experience outside of your apartment life of New

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Speaker 1: York City.

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Speaker 2: Well, this is why, this is why people decided. Some

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Speaker 2: people decided to move because they were so upset. I mean,

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Speaker 2: New York City absent the use of the city is

674
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: it feels like a prison, you know, because you have

675
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Speaker 2: no you have no land, you have no outdoor space,

676
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Speaker 2: you have no freedom. So yeah, no, it was particularly brutal.

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Speaker 2: I think it was worse in the I think the

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Speaker 2: lockdown was worse in New York City than it was

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Speaker 2: honestly anywhere.

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Speaker 1: Else in the entire I think that's probably true because

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Speaker 1: at least in La Buying large people had land, like

682
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 1: there were a lot of crazy towns. But to your point,

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Speaker 1: you're basically in a high rise prison if you can't

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Speaker 1: leave your apartment. A lot of people you don't even

685
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Speaker 1: have You did not have outdoor air, like, you didn't

686
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,880
Speaker 1: have like a balcony where you could even go outside

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Speaker 1: and like get fresh air, like it's crazy.

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00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 2: Yes, and uh, and I couldn't even get a haircut

689
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: for months. So I managed to buy myself a pair

690
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,400
Speaker 2: of like Crayola scissors off of Amazon and then just

691
00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:52,920
Speaker 2: sit there and try to cut my hair so it

692
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,960
Speaker 2: wouldn't be so long as in my eyes anyway. Ah, memories, memories, TikTok.

693
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Speaker 2: That's how I learned about it. And then all of

694
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 2: a sudden you get there's some there's some cool content

695
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,360
Speaker 2: on there. I'll tell you. There's this guy who takes

696
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: a lot of you. You've probably if you haven't seen this.

697
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: I think his name is Donnie Dust and he takes

698
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 2: like tools and someone will say, can you make a

699
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:13,880
Speaker 2: tomahawk with you know, a stick in a rock? And

700
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 2: he just does it right in front of you. It's amazing.

701
00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 2: There's some cool stuff on there. Problem is it's owned

702
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 2: by China and it's a Chinese spying app or whatever. Right,

703
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:24,560
Speaker 2: that's the problem. That's why everyone's also freaked out about this.

704
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 2: So Supreme Court looks like they're going to uphold the

705
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 2: law after oral arguments this morning, after both Republicans and

706
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Speaker 2: Democrats had decided that there was a national security risk

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Speaker 2: from TikTok, and so they passed this law that said

708
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 2: it has to be sold or will be basically shut

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Speaker 2: down in the United States. So really it seems like

710
00:37:47,120 --> 00:37:50,040
Speaker 2: they got to find a buyer for it. Here, Clay, So,

711
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 2: do you know anybody we got to keep this thing alive.

712
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,920
Speaker 2: There is so much great cooking content and actually a

713
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 2: lot of good fitness content on TikTok as well. I'll

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Speaker 2: tell you. I know, everyone just thinks that they're trying

715
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,840
Speaker 2: to steal your data for China, but at least you

716
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 2: can get ads in the process.

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Speaker 1: I So here's a Ali just texted us producer Ali

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Speaker 1: that Elon should buy it. So here is the challenge

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Speaker 1: as I see it. And we had an actual discussion

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Speaker 1: about this yesterday, because I don't think this is an

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00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 1: easy answer. You believe that it should basically exist as

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Speaker 1: is right. As a rough way of describing your position,

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Speaker 1: my position is, I actually do not believe that China

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Speaker 1: should be able to own this company, which I believe

725
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Speaker 1: is more powerful as a media entity than the New

726
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: York Times is, than the Washington Post is, than Fox

727
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 1: News is, than the Wall Street Journal is, whatever media

728
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Speaker 1: outlet you enjoy consuming and we would never allow the

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Speaker 1: four things that I just ticked through to be owned

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Speaker 1: by a foreigner because of the impact that it could have.

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Speaker 1: So I think, and you were just kind of hitting

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Speaker 1: at this, I think that TikTok should be forced to

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Speaker 1: divest itself of Chinese ownership of its US based assets.

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Speaker 2: And then the question beyond that becomes, Okay, who would

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Speaker 2: buy it?

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Speaker 1: And I want an Elon Musk like figure to buy

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Speaker 1: TikTok because all I want them to do is do

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Speaker 1: the same thing that now Facebook says it's doing and

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Speaker 1: that Twitter does, which is just have a content neutral

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Speaker 1: policy in place where the algorithm doesn't favor anything in

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Speaker 1: particular of a political bent and everybody gets a fair

742
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Speaker 1: playing field. That's my ideal world for where we could

743
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Speaker 1: go with TikTok. Now here's the challenge. The value of TikTok.

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Speaker 1: I would think buck as it inches closer to this

745
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Speaker 1: banning date, which is what like January nineteenth, what's the

746
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Speaker 1: day when it would And for people who are like,

747
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Speaker 1: what does a band look like? My understanding and correct

748
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: me if I'm wrong on this is basically the app

749
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: would no longer be able to update and therefore it

750
00:39:56,040 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: eventually becomes unusable on iPhones or androids or whatever else

751
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Speaker 1: because without being able to update bugs takeover, it becomes

752
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Speaker 1: less efficient all those things.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and I mean TikTok It's January nineteenth is the date.

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Speaker 2: And it's a big platform. I mean, it claims to

755
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Speaker 2: have a billion monthly active users globally and claims to

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Speaker 2: have one hundred and fifty million monthly active users in

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Speaker 2: the United States. That seems I mean, I don't see

758
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Speaker 2: how that's possible, considering that would mean that half the

759
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Speaker 2: country is basically on using TikTok at least once a month.

760
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Speaker 2: That number strikes me as not really possible. But this

761
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,759
Speaker 2: is the number that they This is the number that

762
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Speaker 2: they put out there officially. I mean, go google it,

763
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,520
Speaker 2: you'll find you'll find that that's what they say. I

764
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Speaker 2: think it's interesting because, for one thing, it's because China

765
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Speaker 2: owns this. If this was owned by Sweden or the

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Speaker 2: UK or you know, France or something, I don't think

767
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Speaker 2: that there would be this issue. So we clearly put

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Speaker 2: China in different category of national security concern. And I've

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Speaker 2: always thought that the spying components of this, or the

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Speaker 2: ability to spy with This is a little bit overblown

771
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Speaker 2: considering that TikTok is actually to the TikTok that we

772
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 2: use is based in the US, and the servers are

773
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 2: based in the US, And people say, well, they could

774
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:20,880
Speaker 2: rout it all back to China. Yeah, the Chinese. The

775
00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: Chinese can hack into a lot of things, and they

776
00:41:22,640 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: have hacked into a lot of things anyway. But here

777
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:30,000
Speaker 2: we have a major social media platform that seems ripe

778
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,839
Speaker 2: for the taking from somebody with very deep pockets, and

779
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Speaker 2: I would just love for it to be This is

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Speaker 2: kind of my takeaway on it, Clay. I would love

781
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 2: for this to be an opportunity to once again push

782
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Speaker 2: the Internet more toward freedom and sanity, which is what

783
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 2: we've seen with X and now some up with Facebook.

784
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:48,759
Speaker 2: I would say this too on the Facebook part of this,

785
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Speaker 2: which is huge as you all know that Facebook is

786
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Speaker 2: moving away from Clay said no more DEI programs. Now

787
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: they're going to be far more friendly to conservatives into

788
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: politics and the free speech stuff. But is it opportunistic

789
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: by Zuckerberg, Yeah, of course, but is it still the

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Speaker 2: direction I wont Zuckerberg going? And yes, so do you

791
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: think Zuckerberg Trump if you had to bet that's so interesting. Yes,

792
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 2: I think, But I don't think he thinks of himself

793
00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:23,640
Speaker 2: as a Republican. I just think I think he recognizes

794
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 2: Kamala as a moron, and that the whole Democrat campaign

795
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: was a lie, that Diden the whole thing was a lie,

796
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 2: and that Kamala's competent was a lie. And I think

797
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 2: a lot of the tech bros are in that category.

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Speaker 2: They're not ideologically we'd even get into some of this

799
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Speaker 2: on some of the immigration stuff. There's some disputes on

800
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 2: the right. Maybe we'll talk more about that another time.

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Speaker 2: A lot of the tech bros are not ideologically right wing,

802
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 2: but they are ideologically results in common sense aligned, and

803
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: that meant a rejection of the Democrats in this election.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you.

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Speaker 1: I think Bezos and Zuckerberg, in their own private voting

806
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: actually voted Trump.

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Speaker 2: I really do.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, on TikTok, what percentage of our

809
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 1: audience that is listening to us right now? You talked

810
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Speaker 1: about the sheer number that they claim. What percentage of

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Speaker 1: this audience has a TikTok account? I would actually love

812
00:43:14,160 --> 00:43:16,800
Speaker 1: to hear from people if you are active on TikTok

813
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: and listening to us, what do you think should happen?

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Speaker 1: And I'm not sure we will get a single call,

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00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:24,319
Speaker 1: by the way, from many of you're listening to us,

816
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 1: is I'm not sure we'll get a single call from.

817
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:27,440
Speaker 2: Any when he uses TikTok frequently.

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Speaker 1: I could be completely wrong, but I would love to

819
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Speaker 1: hear from people if TikTok is your preferred social media

820
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: site because eight hundred and two eight two two eight

821
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Speaker 1: a two, what do you think as a user should

822
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Speaker 1: happen here?

823
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 2: And and also do you use it?

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Speaker 1: Because one of the things we think about a lot

825
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Speaker 1: on this show is how do we reach audiences in

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Speaker 1: so many different places? Because it we're in such a

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Speaker 1: unique world now old school. When Rush started this show,

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Speaker 1: he built a radio universe. There was no podcasting, There

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Speaker 1: was no video on demand that you could watch on

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Speaker 1: YouTube of sit down interviews. It was a very different

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Speaker 1: media environment. So we're trying to be everywhere, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just curious how many people that are listening to us

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Speaker 1: right now TikTok is your preferred social media platform and

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Speaker 1: what do you think should happen? Because the politics on

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Speaker 1: this book are actually pretty fascinating Trump is against a

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Speaker 1: band so and Biden is trying to ban it.

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Speaker 2: So.

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Speaker 1: I do think this doesn't line itself up naturally with

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Speaker 1: Republicans believe X and Democrats believe why as it pertains

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Speaker 1: to what should happen for TikTok, which is why I

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Speaker 1: think it's one of the most interesting stories out there

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Speaker 1: now by our friend Andy McCarthy. But I also want

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Speaker 1: to mention in the meantime, I think we have like

867
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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand TikTok followers on Clay and Buck Show,

868
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Speaker 1: so I should mention that we are active on TikTok. Basically,

869
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Speaker 1: if you go on to any social media platform, in

870
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Speaker 1: addition to being able to hear us three hours every day,

871
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Speaker 1: whether it's TikTok, whether it's Instagram, whether it's Facebook, whether

872
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 1: it's Twitter, you can put in my name, you can

873
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: put in Buck's name, you can put in Clay and Buck,

874
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Speaker 1: and you will find us on every social media platform

875
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Speaker 1: under the sun. I doubt that Andy McCarthy has been

876
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Speaker 1: like Buck Sexton, practicing dance moves in his apartment, trying

877
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Speaker 1: to get ready for TikTok's celebritydom. Maybe he has he's

878
00:46:34,360 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: a Mets fan. After all, there's not a lot to

879
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:40,799
Speaker 1: dance for, though at least not historically. And Andy joins us,

880
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 1: now we're gonna get into a bunch of stuff. Andy,

881
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: Mets had a good offseason. By the way, congratulations on

882
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,719
Speaker 1: your owner being so rich he can pay whatever he

883
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Speaker 1: wants for anybody.

884
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Speaker 2: It's a nice thing to have.

885
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 1: But let's dive into some of these legal related issues.

886
00:46:56,520 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 1: I just I understand that the Trump team is angry

887
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 1: about the fact that a sentence doesn't occurred. But if

888
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 1: you and I had gone on the air when all

889
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 1: this started and said, if Trump is convicted of everything,

890
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: eventually it's going to lead to an unconditional discharge, where

891
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: effectively Judge Merchant acknowledges that there is no punishment and

892
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 1: there are no consequences other than the process itself for Trump.

893
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would have called us crazy.

894
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: Yet this is where we are. Basically, after all this,

895
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: merchand says, Okay, I'm gonna stamp him. He's a felon,

896
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:32,560
Speaker 1: but nothing at all is going to happen to him.

897
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,680
Speaker 1: This case is over unconditional discharge. I mean, it's kind

898
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:40,400
Speaker 1: of an unprecedented procedural posture from my perspective. Would you agree,

899
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: how would you analyze it?

900
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 3: Well?

901
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 6: I think it's the best outcome play for Trump. Now

902
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:51,840
Speaker 6: I say that as someone who's been I've kind of

903
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 6: been pushing against the grain with a number of my

904
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 6: friends who point out, and I do not agree with

905
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,480
Speaker 6: this in principle, that this is a preposterous case. Trump

906
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 6: has an excellent chance of getting it reversed on appeal.

907
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 6: But those of us who've been in the biz know

908
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,440
Speaker 6: that you can't get to your appeal until you've been

909
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 6: sentenced and the judgment of conviction is formally entered. And

910
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 6: that means this had to happen today if you were

911
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,279
Speaker 6: going to get on to the appeal. And I think

912
00:48:22,280 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 6: a lot of people look at this and say, you know, look,

913
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:26,799
Speaker 6: Trump's got a great chance of winning an appeal. Why

914
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 6: doesn't he just like, let the sentencing happen and let's

915
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Speaker 6: get on with it. But the thing is, it's not

916
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Speaker 6: my criminal record. You know, It's easy for me to

917
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 6: say on balance, I you know, I think he should

918
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:42,399
Speaker 6: just get on with the sentencing so he can get

919
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 6: on with the appeal. But President Trump is a seventy

920
00:48:45,160 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 6: eight year old guy who was proud of the fact

921
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 6: that he never had a run in with the law

922
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 6: that left him with a criminal record before, and I

923
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 6: think he's appalled at the fact that he got dragged

924
00:48:55,560 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 6: through this totally absurd criminal proceeding which couldn't have happened

925
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Speaker 6: to anyone else, brought by a district attorney who's notorious

926
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Speaker 6: to not enforcing the laws, so it couldn't have been

927
00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:11,919
Speaker 6: more clear that it was just a rig political thing.

928
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,840
Speaker 6: So I understand why he didn't want to have this happened.

929
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 6: And look, he came within ten days of basically getting

930
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 6: to the point where they couldn't touch him anymore, which

931
00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:27,319
Speaker 6: is why they were in such a hot panic.

932
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 3: To do this.

933
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 6: But I think when they all stepped back from this,

934
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 6: what they're going to linger on is what you just summarized,

935
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:36,839
Speaker 6: And the way I've been putting this point is this.

936
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:44,360
Speaker 6: Remember that in bringing this case and converting what's normally

937
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 6: a misdemeanor in New York into a felony, what Bragg

938
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 6: claimed was Trump falsified his business records for the purpose

939
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:57,160
Speaker 6: of committing another crime. And the other crime they said

940
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Speaker 6: he committed basically, was to steal the t twenty sixteen election.

941
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 6: And I think everybody now knows that if you really

942
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Speaker 6: believe this guy stole the most important office on the planet,

943
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Speaker 6: all the power of the presidency, how on earth could

944
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Speaker 6: you sentence him to no jail, no probation, and no fine.

945
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Speaker 6: So I think in the end, it just really shows

946
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Speaker 6: how absurd this thing was from soup to nuts.

947
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Speaker 2: Andy, do you feel like this has, on the one hand,

948
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Speaker 2: greatly undermine respect for the law, But on the other hand,

949
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Speaker 2: there's the rejection of lawfare that has occurred at the

950
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Speaker 2: ballot box? Right, So, I mean, to me, looking at this,

951
00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 2: it seems like this this has been a really bad

952
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 2: time for the law as a general concept and for

953
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,840
Speaker 2: the system. But also it's been preserved in another sense.

954
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Speaker 2: How do you look at this now that we've gone

955
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 2: through the four criminal prosecutions, we've seen where it all goes,

956
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,200
Speaker 2: You know, how do you assess the damage?

957
00:51:01,080 --> 00:51:04,920
Speaker 6: I think it's really bad. I'm thankful that it wasn't

958
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:11,239
Speaker 6: worse because I think the good fortune book that happened here,

959
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 6: which isn't getting enough attention, is the Supreme Court's immunity

960
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 6: ruling if it hadn't been to the immunity litigation, then

961
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:25,839
Speaker 6: Jack Smith would have been able, with Judge Chuckkins help

962
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 6: to rush the j six case to trial. And I

963
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 6: think if they had tried Trump say for two or

964
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 6: three months beginning in April or so of twenty twenty four,

965
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 6: and what that case was about was something that people

966
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 6: are not happy about. Right the January sixth thing. You

967
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 6: can argue, and I have argued that prosecution in the

968
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 6: criminal courts was not the right check on that behavior,

969
00:51:56,840 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 6: but that's a technical legal argument. That would have been,

970
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 6: you know, two or three months of trial with you

971
00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 6: a reminder of that event in the middle of the campaign,

972
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 6: and I think people might have had a different impression

973
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:16,520
Speaker 6: of law enforce of lawfare. What ended up happening was

974
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Speaker 6: because the Supreme Court issued first of the immunity litigation,

975
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Speaker 6: which Smith didn't anticipate, put the whole January sixth case

976
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:28,799
Speaker 6: on ice, and then when the Supreme Court decided it

977
00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 6: in July, it was clear that there was no way

978
00:52:31,239 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 6: that Smith was ever going to get to trial. And

979
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:39,000
Speaker 6: as a result, in the public mind, lawfare is Bragg's case,

980
00:52:39,760 --> 00:52:43,360
Speaker 6: and that's what Trump should always have wanted so I

981
00:52:43,400 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 6: think it worked out well for Trump because in the

982
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:53,200
Speaker 6: public mind, lawfare is this very abusive use of the

983
00:52:53,239 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 6: criminal proceedings to invent a case unabashedly partisan as it

984
00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 6: was done by Bragg, and break every rule in the

985
00:53:02,520 --> 00:53:05,279
Speaker 6: book to get him convicted in the end, and it's

986
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 6: an idiotic case. So I think that was a real

987
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 6: turn off to people and as a result it helped

988
00:53:11,280 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 6: Trump a lot in the election. But it might not

989
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 6: have worked out that way if he had if it

990
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 6: hadn't been to the immunity litigation.

991
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 1: Let's wait into the weeds. You mentioned that you think

992
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,400
Speaker 1: there might be an appeal that could work. I presume

993
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: that could be a multi front appeal in both What

994
00:53:29,560 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: is the second crime that allowed this to be elevated

995
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,880
Speaker 1: from a misdemeanor to a felony. That's always been a

996
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 1: bit of a mess in this brag case. Also, how

997
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: could presidential immunity, if at all, ultimately weigh in here

998
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 1: in terms of worthies or worthies not official presidential tactics

999
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: in some way. What do you think the chance is

1000
00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,800
Speaker 1: if you were setting odds are on appeal for Trump

1001
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: at this point, not that it matters that much, because again,

1002
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: there is an unconditional discharge, and there's no actual crime

1003
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: but a punishment. But two years from now, what do

1004
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: you think the chances are that we basically have this

1005
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 1: entire thing white clean.

1006
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,480
Speaker 6: I don't know what a number i'd put on it,

1007
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 6: but I would be shocked if this case survives appeal.

1008
00:54:14,600 --> 00:54:19,320
Speaker 6: And that's because I think it's shot through with reversible error,

1009
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 6: even in the bringing of the case in the first place. So,

1010
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 6: for example, since you're inviting me to get in the weeds,

1011
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 6: I think it's a violation of New York's constitution to

1012
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:36,080
Speaker 6: bring the case the way brad Thing brought it, because

1013
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,239
Speaker 6: the statute that he relied on did not make it

1014
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,680
Speaker 6: clear and does not make it clear that a state

1015
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 6: district attorney has a right to enforce federal campaign law.

1016
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 6: Then I think the indictment fails as an indictment because

1017
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 6: it fails to state the second crime, so it doesn't

1018
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 6: put the defendant on notice of what the crime is,

1019
00:54:54,920 --> 00:54:56,640
Speaker 6: which is what an indictment is supposed to do.

1020
00:54:57,880 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to cut you off here.

1021
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,480
Speaker 1: In fact, if I remember correctly, didn't they say the

1022
00:55:01,520 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 1: second crime could be any one of three different second crimes,

1023
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: like they didn't even specify which one you had to

1024
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:07,880
Speaker 1: convict on.

1025
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're hitting the one at the end that I

1026
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:13,719
Speaker 6: think is the most egregious era of all, which is

1027
00:55:13,719 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 6: that merch On told the jury that they didn't need

1028
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 6: to be unanimous on what the other crime was. That

1029
00:55:20,239 --> 00:55:22,760
Speaker 6: you know, basically there was three choices, but he didn't

1030
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 6: even make them choose from those three choices. He told them,

1031
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 6: you know, you don't have to tell us which one

1032
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,399
Speaker 6: it is, and you don't need to be unanimous. And

1033
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 6: the Supreme Court, I think cannot have been more clear

1034
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 6: that in a criminal case, when you're talking about a

1035
00:55:37,960 --> 00:55:41,440
Speaker 6: fact that is consequential in terms of what the sentence

1036
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:44,319
Speaker 6: will be. And let's remember, this is the fact that

1037
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:47,520
Speaker 6: turns the misdemeanor into a felony, right, It's the fact

1038
00:55:47,560 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 6: that turns something that would be you know, zero to

1039
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 6: less than a year into a four year felony. When

1040
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 6: which one strung together the way Bragg did, we're talking

1041
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 6: about like one hundred and thirty years potential of incarration. Right,

1042
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:05,799
Speaker 6: So obviously under Supreme Court jurisprudence, the jury had to

1043
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:09,680
Speaker 6: be unanimous on what the crime was. Brett and murchad

1044
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 6: told them they didn't.

1045
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:10,880
Speaker 3: Have to be.

1046
00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 2: Andy. Can you also give us your sense we only

1047
00:56:15,560 --> 00:56:19,320
Speaker 2: got a couple of minutes. But on the whole TikTok fiasco,

1048
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:23,719
Speaker 2: the oral arguments heard by the Supreme Court today, just

1049
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 2: what do you make of forcing the sale or shutdown

1050
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 2: of this app and the Congress stepping in and all that.

1051
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 6: Yeah, I guess because of the work I've done in

1052
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:39,719
Speaker 6: the national security realm over the years, I really thought

1053
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,480
Speaker 6: this was kind of a frivolous appeal. I mean, I

1054
00:56:43,960 --> 00:56:46,680
Speaker 6: don't like to throw that word around, although I do

1055
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,800
Speaker 6: feel like in the age of lawfair of thrown and

1056
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:52,640
Speaker 6: around it a whole lot. But this is not a

1057
00:56:52,680 --> 00:56:56,240
Speaker 6: First Amendment case. Nobody is stopping anybody's speech. What they're saying,

1058
00:56:56,320 --> 00:57:03,319
Speaker 6: basically is that a hostile foreign power cannot own a

1059
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 6: platform for expression in the United States. No one's saying

1060
00:57:07,640 --> 00:57:12,399
Speaker 6: that somebody else can't operate TikTok the same way. And

1061
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 6: no one is saying that if somebody else does by

1062
00:57:16,080 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 6: TikTok and they want to run it exactly the same

1063
00:57:18,680 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 6: way as it's run now, that no one's saying they

1064
00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 6: can't do that. What they're saying is that a hostile

1065
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:29,280
Speaker 6: foreign power can't own a platform like this in the

1066
00:57:29,360 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 6: United States. That seems to me to be common sense.

1067
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: All right, Anny McCarthy, everybody, and you appreciate you being

1068
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:38,680
Speaker 2: with us as always.

1069
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:40,320
Speaker 6: All right, guys, have a good one.

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