1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you so much 3 00:00:31,320 --> 00:00:35,360 Speaker 1: for tuning in. Uh, and here we are. Uh this 4 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: it's it's getting weird. I don't know about you, guys. Hi, 5 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: I'm Ben, I am no wherever you go there, you 6 00:00:40,520 --> 00:00:44,919 Speaker 1: are here, we are now, and we will entertain you, 7 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 1: I hope. Uh. Yeah, you know today we're talking about Okay, 8 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: so we we obviously are all in the same boat 9 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: and that we are sequestered in our various homes and domiciles. Um. 10 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: Most there's a home in a domicile, Ben, a domin side, 11 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,920 Speaker 1: it seems more formal. I don't know, well, you know, 12 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:08,759 Speaker 1: home is home has that emotional steak. All right, Yeah, 13 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: there's an implication you know that, uh maybe a person 14 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: you're in love with can be more of a home 15 00:01:14,400 --> 00:01:17,680 Speaker 1: than a house ever will be. Ah, that's a nice sentiment, Ben, 16 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: Thanks the thanks the uh speaking of nice speaking fantastic 17 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:26,720 Speaker 1: of course we Uh we've got our super producer Casey 18 00:01:26,760 --> 00:01:33,119 Speaker 1: Pegram uh live and direct in full effect here. Uh, 19 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: you and I uh and Casey, all three of us 20 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: and probably you listening at home, folks wherever your home. 21 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: Maybe have been thinking a lot about travel, about all 22 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: the things we we took for granted. Now it is 23 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:52,760 Speaker 1: a not so uh not so secret secret that our 24 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: very own Casey Pegram may or may not have another 25 00:01:56,800 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: identity across the pond. Casey travels, uh, pretty like I 26 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 1: would say, on a on a fairly regular basis to France, 27 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: right Like, how often would you say, travel a year there, Casey? 28 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,680 Speaker 1: I would say, I averaged once a year. Sometimes it's 29 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,080 Speaker 1: twice a year for several weeks at a time. So, 30 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:19,200 Speaker 1: you know, the question of home and domicile, I would 31 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: just say, a house is not a home. You know. 32 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 1: That's true. That's true, you know. But I was getting 33 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: at with all of that, was though that we're all 34 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: in the same boat because of this, uh, this this 35 00:02:32,360 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: pandemic and uh today we're going to talk about a 36 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 1: way stupider pandemic. Yeah, that may or may not have 37 00:02:40,160 --> 00:02:43,519 Speaker 1: even been a real thing. Yeah, I've been thinking a 38 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 1: lot about travel, the different epic trips that we have 39 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: taken as individuals and even as groups or in pairs 40 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: here for for the good old day Job in the 41 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: podcast minds uh, and I think a lot of people 42 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 1: are our dream mean of their favorite road trips or 43 00:03:02,960 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: their favorite sojourns. And today, uh, as as you said, old, 44 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 1: today we are going to uh, we're going to look 45 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 1: into what seems like, um, I don't know, an outbreak, 46 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: a social panic, seemingly contagious epidemic. Our story you like 47 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: this case, Our story takes us to France in uh, 48 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:29,840 Speaker 1: let's see, really kicks in in the late nineteenth century, 49 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:33,399 Speaker 1: in the eighteen eighties. Yes, and please forgive my my 50 00:03:33,720 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: lack of scientific chops. This would definitely be an epidemic, 51 00:03:36,880 --> 00:03:40,440 Speaker 1: not a pandemic, because it's very regionalized. Uh in France 52 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: in the eighteen nineties. Uh, the country of France was 53 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 1: beset on all sides seemingly by this contagion. Um. It 54 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:55,760 Speaker 1: was around eighteen eighties six to nineteen o nine that 55 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 1: the phenomenon of wander lust be came a thing where 56 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: people would be seemingly for no reason, um, wandering around 57 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 1: Europe in in in like a fugue state, like that 58 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 1: that time where Walter White. Never mind, that's a that's 59 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: a spoiler alert. Forget about that. Forget I said anything. 60 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: Watch Breaking Bad. It's a great show. Now's the time. Um, 61 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: But Yeah, a fugue state, being like sort of like 62 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:27,159 Speaker 1: a waking sleep type situation where you're just sort of 63 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:32,080 Speaker 1: zombified walking around. Um. They were crossing borders, um, with 64 00:04:32,160 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: no papers, going into other continents, even with with nothing 65 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: in mind for for an endpoint. Um, and what's going on? 66 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,080 Speaker 1: This seems like madness. Uh. They would often be arrested, 67 00:04:44,440 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: some would be um subjected to mental health quarantine, you know, 68 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: put into an insane asylum. What they called him at 69 00:04:52,400 --> 00:04:55,600 Speaker 1: the time. Um, it was collectively referred to. I said, 70 00:04:55,640 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: wander lust. We'll get into that. But the scientific term 71 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,039 Speaker 1: that was bandied about the time was I love this, 72 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:04,359 Speaker 1: hope I can say it right, dromomania. And that is 73 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: based on reporting by a philosopher by the name of 74 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: Ian Hacking, who is also the author of Mad Travelers 75 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: Reflections on the Reality of Transient Mental Illnesses. Yeah. Physicians 76 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 1: also referred to this as quote pathological tourism. Today we 77 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 1: call it something else. We call it wanderlust. And wanderlust 78 00:05:26,760 --> 00:05:29,920 Speaker 1: is a fascinating word for any fans of etymology in 79 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: in the podcast house today. It doesn't really have a 80 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 1: translation into English from German. It's one of those words 81 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,360 Speaker 1: where it feels like when you say it, we all 82 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: kind of get the gist, right. It's it's this deep, 83 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 1: abiding desire, dare we say, a lust to to hit 84 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:52,159 Speaker 1: the streets, to travel, right, It's like that B fifty 85 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 1: two song Rome, you know, Rome, if you want to 86 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: roam around the world without wings, without whatever else there without. 87 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,279 Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's that that that that song to me, 88 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:07,320 Speaker 1: sums up the sentiment of wanderlust. It's this voice calling 89 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,919 Speaker 1: from within that is uh, that is urging you to 90 00:06:10,000 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: go forth and explore the your surroundings and beyond. Right, Yeah, 91 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,520 Speaker 1: I I also think of a bit of nostalgia for me. 92 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: I also think of on the Road again, because I 93 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: don't know about you guys, but as soon as I 94 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 1: could drive, I pulled out my map and I made this, uh, 95 00:06:25,040 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: this series of concentric circles that would let me know 96 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 1: how far out I could drive and then how long 97 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:33,479 Speaker 1: would take me to get back. And I always played 98 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: on the Road again. You know, I know it's a 99 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: corny song. I get it, but I embrace it and wanderlust, 100 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: this compulsion to travel nowadays, it's uh, it's something that 101 00:06:44,680 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 1: we view as relatively benign, right, someone's like, oh, wanderlust 102 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 1: took me and I decided to just hit the open road, 103 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 1: you know. Uh, happy trails to you and so on. 104 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 1: And the weird thing is back in France in the 105 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:05,279 Speaker 1: late eighteenth century, this was considered a disease. Like you said, 106 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: people were traveling in a kind of a trance state. Uh, 107 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: they didn't really seem to know what they were doing 108 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: where they were going. And as this spread, people were 109 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: struggling to get a handle on what actually was happening. 110 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: It seemed like it was maybe even less a I 111 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:26,800 Speaker 1: guess you would say, a true psychiatric condition and more 112 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: like a diagnosis of convenience. Anytime somebody was doing something 113 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,440 Speaker 1: the violated norms or status quo, doctors might say, ah, 114 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:40,520 Speaker 1: you're a jeromomaniac. And it could it was applied to 115 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 1: any number of situations, right, Oh, yeah, it sure was. Um. 116 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: From that from that book we talked about earlier Mad Travelers, 117 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: Reflections on the Reality of Transient Mental Illnesses. Um. It 118 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: describes the first man who is diagnosed with this condition, 119 00:07:54,840 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: by the name of Gen Albert Dada. How did I do, Casey? Yeah, yeah, 120 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: it sounds good. Casey on the case he was diagnosed 121 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: with what was then being referred to as traveling sickness UM, 122 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:17,440 Speaker 1: and the diagnosis read as such UM. He was diagnosed 123 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: with traveling obsessively, often without identification or specific reason for 124 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,920 Speaker 1: why he was traveling. I mean, to me, this just 125 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:31,360 Speaker 1: sounds like good old fashion just taking a walk, you know, 126 00:08:31,520 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: like going out and smelling the roses like it's It 127 00:08:34,559 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: seems very totalitarian to require someone to have a destination 128 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: in mind. Uh, who is this hurting? Ben? Who is 129 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: this hurting? This is hurting? Who is this hurting? Just 130 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,320 Speaker 1: wanting wandering without a destination in mind? I don't understand 131 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:52,319 Speaker 1: who is uh? Wh who is going to suffer as 132 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: a result of this? Well we have to understand. See, 133 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: this is what establishment with this idea of a convenient diagnosis. 134 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 1: Just like just like doctors were diagnosing all all sorts 135 00:09:03,760 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: of patients from all sorts of walks of life with 136 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: quote unquote hysteria, People were being diagnosed with dromomania to 137 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:16,720 Speaker 1: cover up or politely addressed things that ordinary society would 138 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: not would not put in public spaces, Like people were 139 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,960 Speaker 1: diagnosed with dromomania for leaving their families, for instance, for 140 00:09:24,040 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 1: deserting the military, and of course experiencing about of amnesia, 141 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 1: so it kind of became a catch all or a 142 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:36,840 Speaker 1: miscellaneous diagnosis. In the case of Data, he may have 143 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:42,160 Speaker 1: had a genuine, uh mental problem because when he was 144 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: very young, at the age of eight, he fell out 145 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: of a tree and he had a concussion that caused 146 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: fits of vomiting and migraines. This may have been according 147 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:59,440 Speaker 1: to historians, this may have been a physiological cause for 148 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,960 Speaker 1: his his wander lust. One day when he was twelve, 149 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: he just disappeared, and then he surfaced later in a 150 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,240 Speaker 1: nearby town. Now, for a lot of us listening today, 151 00:10:10,600 --> 00:10:12,920 Speaker 1: we would just say, hey, that's that's what twelve year 152 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 1: olds do. Like kids want to run away sometimes, right, Yeah, 153 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: that's true. I was just gonna say it sounds like 154 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 1: the healthy curiosity of a young lad trying to find 155 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: his way in the world. But now he did apparently 156 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: have some, um, some qualities that took it a little 157 00:10:28,240 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: further than that. Uh So he disappeared, and when he 158 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 1: resurfacing that nearby town, his brother found him and uh 159 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 1: and and gave him a good shake, and um he 160 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: had apparently been uh wandering around with a traveling umbrella 161 00:10:46,400 --> 00:10:50,959 Speaker 1: salesman acting as his young apprentice. I guess, um, and 162 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: he hab thiss sense about him, according to his brother, 163 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: almost as if he had been awakened from some sort 164 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:03,199 Speaker 1: of deep sleep, like he had been hypnotized in some 165 00:11:03,240 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: way or under the spell of this uh, this, this 166 00:11:07,280 --> 00:11:09,640 Speaker 1: umbrella salesman, or at least at the very least the 167 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: idea of wandering. Yeah, yes, this dastardly umbrella salesman, right, 168 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: the silent threat of France. Yeah, it's true. He blacked 169 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:24,760 Speaker 1: out and spontaneously traveled, not once, but numerous times. He 170 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 1: would wake up or I guess, come to full consciousness 171 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,920 Speaker 1: on benches, in public spaces, uh, in police stations, on 172 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 1: trains headed to cities he had never dreamed of going to. 173 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: And sometimes he would have traveled so far away in 174 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 1: his FuG state that he would actually have to work 175 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: odd jobs just to get enough money to make it 176 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: back home. We have, we have a couple of different 177 00:11:50,520 --> 00:11:52,760 Speaker 1: weird stories about him, like that time he ended up 178 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: in Algeria. Yeah, less obscure as always does a fabulous 179 00:11:55,880 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: job of listening off some of these great stories. Um. 180 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: In an article called in wanderlust was a disease, and 181 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,320 Speaker 1: it goes into good detail about the story. When he 182 00:12:05,679 --> 00:12:08,640 Speaker 1: woke up. Um, he had apparently taken a ship to Algeria, 183 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,360 Speaker 1: earned his keep on said ship by becoming like a 184 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:16,160 Speaker 1: galley hand where he would, you know, do dishes, and 185 00:12:16,200 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 1: then it hopped a ship that took him back to 186 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:22,000 Speaker 1: France and he was arrested, Um in a French city. 187 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:24,640 Speaker 1: Oh gosh, it seems so obvious. I'm gonna try my 188 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:27,800 Speaker 1: best pronouncing this. Uh casey A I X. I'm gonna 189 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: go with X. What do you think. Yeah, that's that's 190 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,719 Speaker 1: pretty much red. It would be like X, like X 191 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: Excel Province, and that is the city in question here 192 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: often just referred to in shorthand as X. And he 193 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:44,680 Speaker 1: is arrested there because he was an undocumented laborer. Uh 194 00:12:44,720 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 1: and Um, he you know, had been kind of slipping 195 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,560 Speaker 1: in and out of these few states from job to job. 196 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: It seems like a pretty high functioning psychological condition. And 197 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 1: that you can you know, you're kind of drifting around 198 00:12:56,040 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 1: and doing these things and waking up from these uh, 199 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: these weird dream like states. But you managed to keep 200 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 1: a job, you know. That's that's that's not easy. That's 201 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 1: the weirdest part in addition to his his various fugue 202 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 1: state uh freelance gigs, that's what I'll call them. Uh, 203 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 1: he had a solid job at a gas company. He 204 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: had been apprentice to a manufacturer there since he was twelve. 205 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: And Maud Casey, an author who wrote a fictionalized version 206 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,280 Speaker 1: of Donna's life called The Man who Walked Away, says 207 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,000 Speaker 1: how he kept this job was a mystery to me, 208 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: because he was always wandering off. I mean, let's remember 209 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 1: to not just he wasn't just going into feuge freelance states. 210 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: He was also going to prisons. He was also going 211 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:48,120 Speaker 1: to asylums. People began to know his story. Word spread 212 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 1: about this accidental tourist who's walking around a bit zombified, 213 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 1: and even today, as reported in Fanta dot com, when 214 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: too much travel was a sickness. Even to day, some 215 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:05,520 Speaker 1: people question whether or not he was legit, whether he 216 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: was sincerely encountering, um, you know, some mental problems, or 217 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: whether he was just kind of swindling people. He always 218 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: managed to find some way to get home. He always 219 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 1: uh managed to be safe, you know what I mean, 220 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: Like he didn't wake up in a in a zoo 221 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: fighting a tiger or anything and this caused some people 222 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 1: to believe that maybe these episodes were deliberate attempts to 223 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 1: erase his own presence, you know, get off the grid, 224 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: start somewhere else, or maybe just escape his day to 225 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: day life. Well, he sure had me going, man, he 226 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 1: sure had me going, because I was thinking the same thing. 227 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:48,000 Speaker 1: But also it was like the poor guy. So again, 228 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 1: we don't really know one way or the other. But 229 00:14:49,720 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: it does seem a little suspicious that he never found 230 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: his way into any uh, perilous situations, because seems like, 231 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: you know, someone with this almost was like a more 232 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,880 Speaker 1: extreme form of narcolepsy or something, And people who are 233 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: in arcalyptics don't get to decide where they fall out, 234 00:15:05,280 --> 00:15:08,600 Speaker 1: right and where they come come to Uh certainly wouldn't 235 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 1: be in the comfort of a park bench necessarily. It 236 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 1: could be very well while driving at the wheel or 237 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:17,560 Speaker 1: like riding on horseback. At this time, I guess, now 238 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: this is this is past horseback. Forget I said that, 239 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,960 Speaker 1: Uh so what horses? People? Yeah, okay, but it's not 240 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: like the primary moto transportation. But he could very well 241 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,720 Speaker 1: have been on horseback. It's not beyond the realm of possibility. 242 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:38,680 Speaker 1: So what happens next ben Um. He really has his 243 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:44,280 Speaker 1: kind of all star uh fugue states wander lust Um 244 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: encounter in eight one when he joined the French army. See, 245 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,560 Speaker 1: this is the one that really makes me think he's 246 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:56,040 Speaker 1: a kind of taken the the p out of people, 247 00:15:56,080 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: as the Brits say. Um. He joins the French army 248 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:04,400 Speaker 1: near um mon Um and he heads east and he 249 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 1: he goes through uh some cities in Europe, Prague, Possan, Berlin, 250 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: and Moscow um by foot. And in Prussia he uh 251 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: gets a nasty dog bite and he lands in the 252 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: hospital and he gets recognized because he's a bit of 253 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 1: a local celebrity because of his accidental tourism. Um. But 254 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: unfortunately this is very very very bad timing for Dada 255 00:16:31,600 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: because the czar had been assassinated and um Da Da, 256 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: who had was a known nihilist his philosophy, was arrested 257 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: again from the hospital and thrown into jail. Yeah, a 258 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 1: known nihilist, Tallebowski is that so his his Ferris Bueller, 259 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:58,040 Speaker 1: his Ferres Bueller adventure does not end well for him, 260 00:16:58,120 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 1: at least at that moment. Uh. Three months after he's 261 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: thrown in jail, or thrown in prison. Rather there is 262 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:09,480 Speaker 1: a difference. He and the other prisoners are marched out 263 00:17:09,520 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 1: to Constantinople and the French consule gives him enough money, 264 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: just enough money for a fourth class train ticket. So 265 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: he goes back to his his stomping grounds, and he 266 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: goes back to his job at the gas factory. What 267 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: on earth is going on with this guy? Uh? Fast forward. 268 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: He is in a hospital in Bordeaux and his case 269 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 1: catches the eye of a young neuropsychiatrist, Philippe a ghost. Yeah, 270 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 1: that would be Philip case on the case. You are 271 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: saving the day in this episode. So this young neuropsychiatrist 272 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,479 Speaker 1: gets obsessed with Dada and and he's saying, you know, 273 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: this guy is nuts. He has an uncontrollable urge to 274 00:17:58,920 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: wander or travel. I'm gonna call it dro romania. That's right, 275 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 1: dro romania, which becomes the prevailing term for that uncontrollable 276 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: wander lust. And here's the kicker. Uh. That really kind 277 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 1: of sets Data part uh and really convinces Testia that 278 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: this was a legitimate psychological condition. Apparently Data could only 279 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:27,439 Speaker 1: remember his travels when he was hypnotized. Interesting, right, you know, 280 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: when he was put into a trance. Apparently he was 281 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,320 Speaker 1: an open book in a meadow on a sunny day. 282 00:18:33,800 --> 00:18:40,119 Speaker 1: And when the neuropsychiatrist is hearing these stories relaid while 283 00:18:40,240 --> 00:18:44,080 Speaker 1: the patient is a sensibly under hypnosis, he's writing them 284 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: down and he compiles this this huge anthology for lack 285 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:52,040 Speaker 1: of a better word, of the guy's experiences, and he 286 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:56,320 Speaker 1: sends it to a medical journal under the name the 287 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: Mad Travelers, so he's patients he wrote for this, And 288 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: this happens often. You know, there's one person with maybe 289 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: an inexplicable condition and there they They often end up 290 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: being kind of an historical footnote, like that one guy 291 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: we talked about who was able to eat everything and 292 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,639 Speaker 1: may have been a mutant. Remember him, No, that was 293 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: the farting guy. That's the flatty list. Yeah yeah, who 294 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: who was Uh that's him? Yeah yeah, yeah, he was 295 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:27,840 Speaker 1: the he was the eating guy. He he and the 296 00:19:27,880 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: peto man should have teamed up, so he got the 297 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 1: farting guy and the eating guy, and then this guy 298 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: could have been part of their weird, stupid superpower crew. 299 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 1: There's the sleepy wandering guy, and then it would be 300 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: another another addition that could have another useless ability. Do 301 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: they have to be French? Uh No, I'll allow any 302 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,400 Speaker 1: any European of European descent. Now, you know, well, let's 303 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 1: broaden it. Let's broaden that. Do we have any others 304 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: in the Annals of Ridiculous History that uh I'm trying 305 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,720 Speaker 1: to think you did we talk about the Habsburgs? No? 306 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,680 Speaker 1: Uh so maybe maybe a Hapsburg. What I like about 307 00:20:03,720 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 1: this idea, no, is that the sleepy forgetful traveler could 308 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 1: have actually been part of this weird superhero group and 309 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: just forgot about it. Is this is it the habsburg 310 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: because they can bleed all over you? What's the deal 311 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: with the Habsburgs. Oh? That Habsburgs are just uh, we're 312 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:24,400 Speaker 1: just egregiously in bread, right, So they might have been 313 00:20:24,720 --> 00:20:26,880 Speaker 1: some hemophiliacs in the bunch and they can just bleed 314 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 1: all over you. There you go. Probably probably some color blindness. 315 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,240 Speaker 1: Uh probably. Oh and they were super rich, right, so 316 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: they're the they're the money bags of the superhero group 317 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: are assembling. Uh so, Uh, here here's the thing. Maybe 318 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 1: maybe Donna's real power was not just his FuG state 319 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: and amnesia traveling. Maybe his real power was to set 320 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:56,960 Speaker 1: and create trends because he may have been the first 321 00:20:57,440 --> 00:21:02,040 Speaker 1: case of dromomania, but he certainly not to be the last. No, 322 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 1: he really wasn't um there this this thing, it was 323 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: being more and more looked at as as an epidemic, 324 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 1: as as a truly contagious that's the thing, where like 325 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:16,040 Speaker 1: is it is a mental illness, isn't contagious. But there 326 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:18,880 Speaker 1: was a weird cross over here. Uh. It was after 327 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:23,359 Speaker 1: Tissy kind of gave data his diagnosis and and crowned 328 00:21:23,400 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 1: him as patient zero more or less of this thing. Uh, 329 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,479 Speaker 1: there were a ton of other diagnoses that followed, and 330 00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:34,560 Speaker 1: you gotta wonder if that's just confirmation bias. Then you know, 331 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 1: when something has a name, all of a sudden, you're 332 00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,640 Speaker 1: gonna see it everywhere and trying to use that name 333 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: as much as possible, right right, Yeah, No, there was 334 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: a there was kind of a demographic for the people 335 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: who would be diagnosed with dromomania. They weren't itinerant travelers. 336 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:56,400 Speaker 1: They weren't vagrants, you know, or or hoboes, tramps, etcetera, 337 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: whatever you wanna call it. They didn't seem to have 338 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 1: common you know, addiction problems. They were not super wealthy, 339 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: they were middle class but they were working poor. They 340 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:13,160 Speaker 1: had jobs, but you know, they didn't own castles or states. Uh, 341 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: and then one day they would just wander off. I 342 00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: think there's a really big point here that we kind 343 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: of alluded to at the top of the show, which 344 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,399 Speaker 1: is that if you tried to do this in Europe now, 345 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 1: you would have a more difficult time than than these fellows. 346 00:22:30,359 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: Even though there's a free travel zone in the EU, 347 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: there are some rules and regulations and paperwork, but it 348 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 1: was way easier to just sort of walk into a 349 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: country back then. And this was also it wasn't just 350 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,439 Speaker 1: like see you know, I asked earlier who this was hurting. Well, 351 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: I'll tell you it was hurting Ben. It was hurting 352 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,800 Speaker 1: the very foundation of family life and the family unit, 353 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: because the notion of vagrancy was becoming a big deal. 354 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,639 Speaker 1: And that was simply because there was this expectation that 355 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 1: people belonged at home with the family, with the wife, 356 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,239 Speaker 1: with the kids, with the puppy dog, and that by 357 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: wandering around willy nilly, they were somehow endangering that the 358 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,560 Speaker 1: very foundation of society. Yeah. Yeah, and there's there's an 359 00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: interesting conspiracy here, a very well intentioned conspiracy military doctors 360 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: were very well aware of the incredibly harsh punishments that 361 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: deserters could face, you know, incarceration or even actual execution. 362 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:36,919 Speaker 1: You could be killed for deserting. So sometimes we believe 363 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 1: they would diagnose a deserter with dromomania, which is kind 364 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,919 Speaker 1: of like saying, hey, I know they didn't show up 365 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,960 Speaker 1: to their duties as a soldier, but it's not because 366 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: they were trying to run away. It's because they have 367 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 1: this mental condition, and therefore we can't really blame them, 368 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:56,560 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. So it was like to 369 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: spare them, it was it was really to help them out, 370 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 1: at least in some cases. I could see that if 371 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: they had someone who could maybe vouch for them or 372 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,159 Speaker 1: high up in the in their in their ranks, that 373 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 1: would maybe, you know, talk to the doctor and say, hey, 374 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: he's a good man. Maybe uh throw him a bone 375 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:16,679 Speaker 1: and give him this time and make the diagnosis go 376 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: his way. I don't know, I'm just guessing guessing here, 377 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:22,480 Speaker 1: but it certainly sees why would the doctor care, you know, 378 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: if I if the person truly was a deserter, you know, 379 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm just wondering why they would bother uh, 380 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: looking out for someone if they really had deserted, which is, 381 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 1: you know, even to the least patriotic of us, it's 382 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: not particularly cool to desert if you're like meant to be, 383 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,360 Speaker 1: you know, in the service of your country and you're 384 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: needed just to take off unless the cause is absolutely hopeless, 385 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: like in that Path of Glory movie. I would have 386 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,840 Speaker 1: hoped those guys would have deserted. But I'm getting ahead 387 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 1: of myself. Well, you know, it makes me think of 388 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:55,240 Speaker 1: the hippocratic oath. I imagine in at least a few cases, 389 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 1: the charge to do no harm was a huge motivator 390 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: for the doctors. You know, they probably didn't agree with 391 00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:05,640 Speaker 1: the the the idea of desertion, but they didn't want 392 00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:09,080 Speaker 1: to be directly involved in the loss of a human life. 393 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,959 Speaker 1: That's if we're being very optimistic. You know, maybe they 394 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,119 Speaker 1: were paid by deserters, right, maybe they were bribed. We 395 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: don't know, We do not know, but we do know 396 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: that it happened. Um this was it caught on and 397 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: and and you know, I mean it certainly wasn't an 398 00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,760 Speaker 1: epidemic that you could measure in terms of uh, you know, 399 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 1: any kind of virus or disease or any kind of 400 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, evidence of of a real transmittable sickness. But 401 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: we do see evidence of it, and it's um, the 402 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,439 Speaker 1: ballooning of these diagnoses. Yeah, this is a this is 403 00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: a time when medical science is wild. Maybe this is 404 00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: like these are the days of uh, you know people, uh, 405 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,520 Speaker 1: people exploring all kinds of things in a pseudo scientific way. 406 00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: So they called dromomania an impulse control disorder like domania, pyromania, 407 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: or dipsomania, dipsomania being the need to drink alcohol. But 408 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,840 Speaker 1: there's there's one thing, uh oh gosh, I gotta say it. 409 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: My my favorite book in the entirety of this research 410 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: is a book by a guy named Benjamin Khan or 411 00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: Khan uh and the name of the book is The 412 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: Book of Minor Perverts. You see that one. No, I 413 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: did read the Book of Major Perverts though, Um, but 414 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: I I need to get a little more uh minutia 415 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,640 Speaker 1: in the world of pervs so that that'll be some 416 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: good quarantine reading for me. I think this author is 417 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,320 Speaker 1: a professor of English and Women's and gender studies at 418 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 1: Louisiana State University. And they say that the dromomaniac was 419 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: one of a quote numberless family of perverts that were 420 00:26:55,400 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: highly specific and interconnected. Dromomania Chaon says, established stability as 421 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,240 Speaker 1: a key kind of condition for what is normal or 422 00:27:06,280 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: for what is seen, you know, as heterosexual, at least 423 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: in in this professor's opinion. And I think, you know, 424 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,719 Speaker 1: that echoes back to what you were saying earlier about 425 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: how vagrancy was seen as such a violation of France's 426 00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,439 Speaker 1: moral code and culture. You were supposed to be a 427 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,200 Speaker 1: family man, and this was a challenge to it. Yeah, 428 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: it's true. I mean, it's that that that is probably 429 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:29,879 Speaker 1: the most fascinating part of it to me. I wonder 430 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: if that, uh, it was so culturally ingrained. Uh because again, 431 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,680 Speaker 1: the original descriptions of this and the descriptions in UM 432 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 1: this book UM that you know, mentions these conditions, the 433 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:45,120 Speaker 1: descriptions really are it sounds like, you know, they're they're 434 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 1: describing it with such harsh negativity, as though to demonize 435 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,520 Speaker 1: these people as mindless zombies, you know, wandering with no 436 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: care to anyone but themselves or you know, that doesn't 437 00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: make sense to me. I don't know, what do you think? 438 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:01,760 Speaker 1: And I'm really on the fence as to whether this 439 00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 1: was a quote unquote condition or whether it was just 440 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: like a societal thing that was then it needed to 441 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: be given a name so that they could make it illegal. 442 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, I'm right there with you. 443 00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:18,840 Speaker 1: It seems like there's a lot of public panic tied 444 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: up into this. We know that droom romania functioned almost 445 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,720 Speaker 1: the way that a a fad would function because it 446 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: disappeared almost as soon as it appeared. In nineteen nine, 447 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:36,800 Speaker 1: psychiatrists completely redefined the concept of what we call a 448 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:40,240 Speaker 1: fugue state, and so instead of looking at a fugue 449 00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 1: state as sort of its own distinct, separate thing, psychiatrists 450 00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:48,640 Speaker 1: understood it to be a symptom of a deeper mental conditions, 451 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: such as, for example, schizophrenia. And then, of course World 452 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:56,640 Speaker 1: War One occurs, European countries are sealing their borders left 453 00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: and right, so people like data can no longer take 454 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: those easy train rides. Within what less than twenty five years, 455 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: diagnoses of dromomania peter out, and eventually you just didn't 456 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:14,239 Speaker 1: diagnose people with that anymore. It was it was a 457 00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:17,800 Speaker 1: disease that disappeared. When you put it that way, it 458 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: sounds like a good thing, right. It does sound like 459 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,040 Speaker 1: a good thing then, And I think we can pretty 460 00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: much wrap this episode up here for today, but a 461 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 1: little teaser. We've got a great episode coming out soon 462 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,760 Speaker 1: that's going to be a companion to this about something 463 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,840 Speaker 1: called hysteria that was very much a kind of hand 464 00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: in hand um condition to this and that specifically involved women, 465 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:46,120 Speaker 1: and something called wandering womb syndrome, which I've always found 466 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:53,160 Speaker 1: to be both a horrifically sexist and yet hilariously cartoonish concept. Yeah, 467 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: the the old wandering uterus diagnosis and the uh the 468 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 1: massage to relieve people. We're gonna learn a lot about 469 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: the horrible behavior of the patriarchy in the medical community. 470 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,400 Speaker 1: We sure are. But before we wrap in, what happened 471 00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:16,240 Speaker 1: to Data himself? Da himself? Yeah? Uh, Well it's weird 472 00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 1: because I think we buried the lead here, or buried 473 00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: one of the leads. Did we mention that Data managed 474 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: to not only get married, but stay married for his 475 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: whole life? Isn't that nuts? Ye got the gout? If 476 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,160 Speaker 1: he was a charlatan, he was a damn fine one. Uh. 477 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,920 Speaker 1: And he like what do you mean? Like how how? What? 478 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: Like he just disappeared for weeks at a time and 479 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: just came back and goes, hey, honey, had another one 480 00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 1: of a few states. Yeah, I guess, so I just 481 00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 1: needed to get my wander on, you know. And the 482 00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,440 Speaker 1: poor long suffering spouse who had to have the patience 483 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:56,040 Speaker 1: of a saint. Uh. Eventually she passed away from tuberculosis 484 00:30:56,520 --> 00:31:01,400 Speaker 1: and their daughter is adopted by family of gardeners. So 485 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,239 Speaker 1: in between his few states, dot I would visit her 486 00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: uh and one day she was apparently, according to him, abducted, 487 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 1: And soon after that Dotta himself was found dead in 488 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:19,160 Speaker 1: a well. So things ended poorly for him. I hate 489 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: to hear that, Ben, but uh, you now, I mean, 490 00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:28,120 Speaker 1: when you live that untethered life, sometimes things don't go 491 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,680 Speaker 1: your way. I don't know what I'm talking about. I 492 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,520 Speaker 1: really I don't know what to make of this guy, Ben, 493 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,640 Speaker 1: I really don't know what to make of this guy. Like, 494 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: do you think he was just completely irresponsible and a 495 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:44,400 Speaker 1: terrible husband and father or really had a legitimate psychological condition. Yeah, 496 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:48,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, man. I don't want to cast unfair aspersion, 497 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 1: but there are a lot of things about this story 498 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: that don't quite jibe with it being entirely a medical condition, 499 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We're not doctors, so we 500 00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:02,280 Speaker 1: can't a fish league give this guy a diagnosis. But 501 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 1: if I'm being completely objective, it doesn't seem to entirely 502 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: check out. And that makes me feel like we're very 503 00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: lucky to live in the world we live in today, 504 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: where you know, quarantine society, quarantine is notwithstanding, we can 505 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: travel and we won't be uh, we won't be called 506 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: the downfall of society for doing so. Oh I thought 507 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 1: you were saying in the world we live in now, 508 00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: where we just aren't allowed to leave the house at all, uh, 509 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 1: on on on on fear of of fine. That's going 510 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,120 Speaker 1: into effect here in Atlanta tonight. I think at six 511 00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:37,360 Speaker 1: o'clock it's an official shelter in place where I think 512 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:40,040 Speaker 1: you'll get a ticket if you're caught going somewhere. I 513 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: had some friends say that they were stopped and asked 514 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,520 Speaker 1: where they were going. Really today, yeah, huh uh huh 515 00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:52,240 Speaker 1: police stay here we come, baby, right. Yeah, the lockdown 516 00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:54,240 Speaker 1: here is beginning at six pm. There are a lot 517 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,840 Speaker 1: of central businesses that will remain open, and it's okay 518 00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 1: to travel to those. Uh. This be in Atlanta. Liquor 519 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: stores are considered an essential business. Uh, and alcohol consumption 520 00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,160 Speaker 1: has gone through the roof for the city. Oh, I 521 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: bet it has. Um, I'm about the same, but I'm 522 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:14,640 Speaker 1: definitely gonna have a little happy hour with some folks 523 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: on my team. And I don't know if you doing 524 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:17,600 Speaker 1: anything a five thirty Evan you want to join our 525 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: virtual happy hour, you are more than welcome, sir. Thanks 526 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: so much, man, only if Casey can come, Oh you know, 527 00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: case he can come, I'll i'll, I'll send you a 528 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: white cloth in spirit. Thanks so much, man, I appreciate that. 529 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: I actually these virtual hangout meetings are killing me. I 530 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: don't know about you, guys, but I think I've got 531 00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: another one at six. That's why I did last week 532 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: that was gonna invite you guys to I think I 533 00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 1: sent you the message last week. Wait, are you doing 534 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,840 Speaker 1: one with your folks at six? Yeah, just some random 535 00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: coworkers of ours. That would be nice. Because we did 536 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: it last week. Well then maybe we should just combine 537 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: ours folks. We don't need to get in the weeds 538 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: about the details. But as you can tell, Uh, we're 539 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: we're happy, We're safe. Uh, we missed each other. We 540 00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 1: love hearing from you. I guess, yeah, let's see if 541 00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 1: we can get the band back together and all, what 542 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 1: do you say? It sounds like a plan. Um. Thanks 543 00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,880 Speaker 1: to you been as always for being there in this 544 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: difficult time and continuing to crank out the ridiculous history hits. 545 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,920 Speaker 1: Huge thanks to super producer Casey Pegram for being a mensch. 546 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: Alex Williams who composed our theme Christopher hasiotis big. Thanks 547 00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: of course to Eve's Jeff Cote. Big Thanks as always 548 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 1: to the people on the front lines of the current situation, 549 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: the grocery store workers, the truck drivers, the doctors, the educators. 550 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: I mean, being a teacher is already a very difficult task, 551 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:41,240 Speaker 1: and I think a lot of people are are learning 552 00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,759 Speaker 1: that firsthand nowadays. So thank you for listening, Thanks for 553 00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,279 Speaker 1: hanging out, and stay safe, you know, and send us 554 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,320 Speaker 1: send us bad jokes please do. We'll see you next time. 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