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Speaker 1: Ben, Can you give me a little bit of that

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Speaker 1: special thing you recorded for us please to get us

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Speaker 1: into the mood?

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Speaker 2: Yes, of course, oh little green sleeves, Yes, exactly, thank you.

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Speaker 2: It's the only medieval music I learned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean yeah, And I know you played the

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Speaker 3: dulcimer too, so that's great.

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Speaker 4: There's gonna be a hard pist behind me.

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Speaker 1: Hey, guys, this is great as Escapes, a show bringing

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Speaker 1: you the wildest true escape stories of all time. I'm

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Speaker 1: Marturo Gastro and I'm joined by the hilarious writer, actor

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Speaker 1: and producer John Barnholtz.

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Speaker 4: Whoa did you know that.

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Speaker 1: Benchuck created that version of the theme song just for

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Speaker 1: this particular episode?

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Speaker 5: Oh? Perfect?

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so we should only speak in Old English,

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Speaker 1: is what I'm trying to say. Welcome to the show.

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Speaker 1: So stoked to have you.

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Speaker 5: So happy to be here.

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Speaker 3: I'm an equally big fan of yours, and I love

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Speaker 3: escape stories and.

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Speaker 5: This just sounded so much fun.

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Speaker 3: John, Do you have the greatest escape I do, and

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Speaker 3: it's in two thousand and nine, right before I moved

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Speaker 3: out to Los Angeles. I'm born and raised in Chicago,

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Speaker 3: month there was a string of muggings in the area.

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Speaker 3: I lived in Chicago, in Wrigleyville, and I do want

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Speaker 3: to say I love Chicago. It's an amazing city. I know,

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Speaker 3: like there's a perception where it's very dangerous and I'm

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Speaker 3: about to tell a story that, but it's you're fine.

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Speaker 3: If you go to Chicago, You're fucking fine. It's say

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Speaker 3: this was a fluke incident. Three improvisers in the area

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Speaker 3: had gotten blindsided and mugged over the course of like

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Speaker 3: a month, and it was always the same thing. It

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Speaker 3: was like around eleven o'clock. They were drunk walking home

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Speaker 3: by themselves and they got mugged. I knew two of them,

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Speaker 3: and one that I was leaving Improv Olympic and I

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Speaker 3: luckily wasn't drunk. Well what time was was this had

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Speaker 5: I was like it was before level.

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Speaker 4: Ooh, mugging hours upon us.

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Speaker 5: Right, yes, mugging hours.

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Speaker 3: And I was walking home and I I remember I

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Speaker 3: had left my friend Nick at Improv Olympic and at

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Speaker 3: the time, if you do, you remember the movie The Room,

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Speaker 3: It's like that cult Bad Movie by Tommy was say

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Speaker 5: Franko made a movie on it. Yeah yeah yeah.

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Speaker 3: So this is two thousand and nine, so this movie

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Speaker 3: I'm not gonna. I'm walking home and I'll watch them.

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Speaker 5: I'll lose him.

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Speaker 3: I turned down my street and I see a guy

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Speaker 5: Like, ooh, okay, okay. I look back. The other guys

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Speaker 5: People. Yeah, the guy people on my street.

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Speaker 3: I just had the feeling, right, I was like, this

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Speaker 5: I had a pop pipe on me.

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Speaker 3: I'm holding that DVD of the room and I'm just

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Speaker 5: And the third guy he's like, what's that there?

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Speaker 3: I was like the DVD of a really bad movie,

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Speaker 5: Is how it ends.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And he turns back to his to the two

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Speaker 3: And as like that word left his mouth, I was

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Speaker 3: But I was gone, man, I like I moved I

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Speaker 4: Good for you.

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Speaker 5: I'm so glad you're alive. I got out, I got out,

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Speaker 1: It's so weird because after that, a crime dropped tremendously

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Speaker 3: For one year in Chicago, no one got mugged because

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Speaker 1: They were just like we just wanted to stop people

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Speaker 4: I did not that I did not the high mug.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing that story. And I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you a question. So yes, when I say orange juice

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Speaker 1: and then I say a prison escape, like what do

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Speaker 5: Orange prison escape?

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, off the top of my head, I

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Speaker 4: And yeah, there you go. Okay, no, that's a good one.

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Speaker 1: Well let's see if you're right, okay, so let's get

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Speaker 1: into this escape situation. Then, can I get a little

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Speaker 1: boom boom, we're getting into the escape thing, a little law.

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Speaker 5: And order but like, yeah, the English law and order.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yes, yes, right, governor. Like I don't know,

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Speaker 4: Ben was doing a real sorry.

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Speaker 1: Accident earlier and sorry, what do you know about the

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Speaker 1: Tower of London.

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Speaker 3: I was just in London in the summer and I

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Speaker 5: I just know that it's it currently has the Crown

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Speaker 4: That's right, Yeah, no, you nailed it.

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Speaker 1: The Tower of London is known as England's most infamous

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Speaker 1: historic prison, right, But it didn't start out as just

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Speaker 5: Lee vibe that classic castle.

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Speaker 4: It's given me castle.

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Speaker 1: So it was built by the French King William the

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Speaker 4: England in ten sixty six.

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Speaker 5: Was the year, oh, the Battle of Hastings.

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Speaker 4: That's right, man, Good for you.

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Speaker 1: I didn't know that until this episode actually, So way

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Speaker 1: to prove that you're way smarter than the host.

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Speaker 5: John Great.

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Speaker 3: It's the Battle of Hastings and the Magna Carta are

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Speaker 4: And Ben take his DVD. Please take his fucking dvd. Okay.

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Speaker 1: So the castle was set up by William the Conqueror

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Speaker 3: It's one of those things like a lot of stuff

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Speaker 1: Most states great torturing people and you know, religious persecution.

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Speaker 4: Park can go. But give me the alligators chomping at

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Speaker 1: Every different tower and wall has its own name, right,

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Speaker 1: like salt tower, wardrobe tower, cradle tower, brick tower, et cetera,

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Speaker 1: Tower of London. Oh that's not fucking confusing at all,

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Speaker 1: Like why, like is it just can it just be

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Speaker 5: No, they couldn't give us a plural.

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Speaker 1: So over time, the various Kings of England used it

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Speaker 1: Royal Mint where they churned out England's money. Starting in

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Speaker 1: the twelve hundred, the uses of the tower even included

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Speaker 1: keeping a large collection of animals inside, which kind of

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Speaker 5: The Tower of London was like happening.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like made their money.

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Speaker 5: It was a zoom who.

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Speaker 1: So in twelve thirty five the king was giving some lions,

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Speaker 1: and later in the twelve hundreds came gifts of a

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Speaker 1: Tower of London, you know.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and thank you man.

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Speaker 1: That bear sounded confused, it really really yeah, what the fuck?

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Speaker 4: His friends would never believe him.

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Speaker 1: Like, guys, guys, Bob, Bob, I fucking fell asleep, right,

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Speaker 1: I was hungover and I woke up surrounded by fucking

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Speaker 1: people with terrible teeth.

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Speaker 5: I don't know what the fuck they were saying.

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Speaker 4: Of course, I'm speaking of the British back then.

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Speaker 1: You guys have an excellent teeth now, yeah, just saying yes,

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Speaker 5: You can hold a polar bear, you can hold person's right.

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Speaker 1: His name was Hanulf Flamand and he was a French

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Speaker 4: Shoes and incredible rope escapes.

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Speaker 4: So fucked up.

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Speaker 1: Next we have the Scavenger's Daughter, which was like kind

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Speaker 1: to start, they put his wrists in tight iron rings

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Speaker 1: Once he was up at the top, they lifted his

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Speaker 4: Bar through the rings.

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Speaker 1: So obviously this stuff is horrible, So why are we

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Speaker 1: And it's actually because the escape that we're talking about

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Speaker 4: To get the fuck out of there.

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Speaker 5: So good for John, happy to sure name with it

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Speaker 1: John Gerard was his actual name, and in his later

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Speaker 3: Oh sure, come on, ignacious Loyola.

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Speaker 1: So John Girard was born in fifteen sixty four in Derbyshire, England,

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Speaker 1: We're just going to barely touch on some of the

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Speaker 5: Do you feel? Absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely so John was set on his path resenting the

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Speaker 4: Who were supposed to teach him the ear correct.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but what would you prefer, like a normal prison

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Speaker 3: Honestually, give me the prison cell with the other Catholics.

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Speaker 3: If I'm a Catholic, I'm like, yeah, we believe what

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Speaker 4: That's right, that's right. They have to be called offred too.

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Speaker 4: It was weird, very similar.

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Speaker 4: You know, we're like, we'll take that.

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Speaker 1: We're like, fuck that, no no thing judging people for

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Speaker 5: Go fuck yourself.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I love the smell of it in sense, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: That's when myth.

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Speaker 1: that's solely fine. But my caveat against it was that

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Speaker 1: that was Marvel, right, That's that was Marvel. I've actually

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Speaker 4: Like how should I do this?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 4: And it just goes to show you.

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Speaker 1: Whatever version of your of religion is, like pushing your

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 1: So I'm sure a version of that, but way less

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Speaker 1: So when he was finally released, John went straight back

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he's commando priest. This is where he gets activated. Now.

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Speaker 5: When he reached.

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Speaker 5: Him I was so in it. I was like, oh

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Speaker 4: I can't keep it up for the entire chapter.

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Speaker 1: So, since suggestments were banned, John constantly had to dodge

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Speaker 1: But John didn't mind, you know, he said that he

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Speaker 4: Souls to their maker.

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Speaker 1: A case could be made that like, and don't get

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Speaker 1: time of like it was all about whose religion was better, right, Yeah? Yeah,

445
00:19:24,720 --> 00:19:27,080
Speaker 1: it felt like an ideology fight more than.

446
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Speaker 3: First of all, I didn't know there were priest hunters

447
00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,560
Speaker 3: so wild, so wild, But yeah, I think it is. Yeah,

448
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:33,560
Speaker 3: it's it's a it's a I believe this and I'm

449
00:19:33,560 --> 00:19:35,720
Speaker 3: going to go spread this and no, we believe that's bad.

450
00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:37,359
Speaker 5: We believe this other thing, and we're going to stop.

451
00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:38,080
Speaker 5: You pretty mad.

452
00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:41,440
Speaker 4: No, my version of it is better than your version

453
00:19:41,480 --> 00:19:41,720
Speaker 4: of it.

454
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, you guys are like very very similar.

455
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:46,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, my saints are cooler that your Like.

456
00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,280
Speaker 1: Okay, there's the same thing. Literally just created a church

457
00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:50,400
Speaker 1: to get divorced.

458
00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,920
Speaker 3: All stemmed because a king decades ago wanted to be

459
00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,719
Speaker 3: able to get divorced.

460
00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,560
Speaker 4: What's in Henry the fourth, Henry the fifth, Henry the.

461
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 5: Fifth, May fifth, That's right, it was Henry the eighth. Henry.

462
00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:06,520
Speaker 4: Oh my god, we sounded like I said, also blew it.

463
00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,040
Speaker 1: But also like, see how quickly I abandoned my own

464
00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,760
Speaker 1: notion for yours because you spoke with such conviction. You're

465
00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,440
Speaker 1: like Henry at the fifth, And I was like, John,

466
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,080
Speaker 1: I am so sorry until the God voice had to

467
00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:22,760
Speaker 1: come to us. Also, like, how come there's never been

468
00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:26,560
Speaker 1: a show about priest hunters film Nation, Torri. Let's make

469
00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:29,000
Speaker 1: a quick note about what we're going to do next.

470
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Speaker 1: So once in fifteen ninety four, a servant of John's

471
00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,760
Speaker 1: hosts betrayed him to the Justices of the Peace. The

472
00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 1: house had a secret room that even the servants didn't

473
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 1: know about many Catholics did at the time, and gave

474
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Speaker 1: them the unfortunate name of priest holes.

475
00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:44,919
Speaker 5: Come on.

476
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, so John ducked inside a priest hole. Yeah, that's

477
00:20:48,800 --> 00:20:49,480
Speaker 1: what they called him.

478
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 4: He was really deep in that priest hole.

479
00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,160
Speaker 1: And he says that the priest hunters coming soon to theaters.

480
00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:56,960
Speaker 5: Priest hole.

481
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Speaker 4: Priest hunter down the priest hole.

482
00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:01,880
Speaker 5: That's the sequel. That's a sequel.

483
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: So they broke down the door and they swarmed the house.

484
00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,880
Speaker 1: They knew the hiding places were common, so they pounded

485
00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 1: on the walls and the floorsh they'd left one place unpounded.

486
00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,120
Speaker 1: They pried open rooftiles and even measured the walls for thickness,

487
00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:18,879
Speaker 1: and they worked for four days without finding John. His

488
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 1: hiding spot didn't show up in their investigation, and that's

489
00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: because it was actually a cramp space under the chimney.

490
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,760
Speaker 1: John said that at one point a hunter even climbed

491
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Speaker 1: down the chimney and.

492
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:33,560
Speaker 4: Tapped on the walls. Who can you imagine the stress man.

493
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,200
Speaker 4: Yet they didn't see the doorway into his hiding place.

494
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:38,320
Speaker 4: Very very lucky for John.

495
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,680
Speaker 1: When he finally left, John climbed out and he ran

496
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Speaker 1: for his life. Hey, he traveled to London, and at

497
00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: first he thought he had gone away but the servant

498
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,040
Speaker 1: who had sold him out the first time was able

499
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,160
Speaker 1: to follow him there.

500
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,640
Speaker 5: What come on, leave the guy along. What are you doing?

501
00:21:55,760 --> 00:21:58,919
Speaker 1: It's so hard to travel back, like you're taking like

502
00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:00,320
Speaker 1: you're like fucking software.

503
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:01,560
Speaker 4: In cholera throughout man.

504
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:05,520
Speaker 5: Blood.

505
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 1: Oh, it's like, how did you not notice there was

506
00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 1: only one other fire within like.

507
00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 4: The entire vista.

508
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: You're right, They're like, oh, it must be somebody not

509
00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: related to me at all. So, just two weeks after

510
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 1: dugging the search party in the country Manner, John was

511
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 1: caught in the city. The priest hunters arrived at midnight

512
00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:25,439
Speaker 1: and arrested John at sword point. He was shackled and

513
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,359
Speaker 1: held in a priest hunter's own house before being passed

514
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,639
Speaker 1: from prison to prison, where he was questioned repeatedly.

515
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 4: But John wouldn't give.

516
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Speaker 1: His questioners any answers, so finally, in fifteen ninety seven,

517
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Speaker 1: after three years, he was sent.

518
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 4: To the Tower of London.

519
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:49,200
Speaker 1: Now we're getting to the main event, right, John Gerard

520
00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:50,879
Speaker 1: is in the Tower of London where he's locked in

521
00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: the castle's salt tower.

522
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 4: The salt tower, the salt tower.

523
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,600
Speaker 1: Yes, so some people think that maybe they used to

524
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: keep salt, but we.

525
00:22:57,880 --> 00:22:58,639
Speaker 4: Don't actually know.

526
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:00,399
Speaker 1: And by the time of this story, it's one of

527
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: the prison towers where people were actually in prison. I

528
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: guess you could say the prisoners were pretty salty O

529
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: whole lot.

530
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 5: Ye.

531
00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 1: Anyway, on his first night there, John is locked in

532
00:23:10,080 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 1: a cell where he sees a name scratched on the wall.

533
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:14,479
Speaker 1: And the name that he sees on the wall is

534
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 1: Henry Walpole. Okay, when John sees the name, he kind

535
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: of freaks out because here's what John knows about Walpole.

536
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,600
Speaker 1: He was another Catholic priest who had been in prison there,

537
00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 1: and he was tortured fourteen times and injured so badly

538
00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: that he lost the use of his hands. Then he

539
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:32,320
Speaker 1: was shipped out to the city of York in the

540
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: north of England, where he was finally executed. Now, John,

541
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 1: if you're John Gerard at this point, how are you feeling?

542
00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 5: Not good? My friend? Not good? Right?

543
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 3: Like for like just like fourteen times once and get

544
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,719
Speaker 3: it over with guys, and oh my god.

545
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, also that you know that like they must be

546
00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 1: such a horrible feeling of like the impending torture and

547
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:56,040
Speaker 1: death right, yes, yes, yes, yes, So John had a

548
00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 1: pretty good idea of what lies in store for him

549
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,359
Speaker 1: in the Tower of London, especially because it's and is

550
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:01,000
Speaker 1: now gone.

551
00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 4: So there's a new Attorney General in England. He arrives.

552
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, the new Attorney General actually arrives to interrogate

553
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: John and runs him through all kinds of political questions,

554
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:12,920
Speaker 1: you know, had he been working to overthrow the queen

555
00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: and things like that, right, And of course John had

556
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,240
Speaker 1: been imprisoned in question for three years by this point,

557
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,520
Speaker 1: and what he said was that he hadn't been involved

558
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,479
Speaker 1: in any activities against the government, and he also wouldn't

559
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,919
Speaker 1: give up the names of any other Catholics.

560
00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 4: John says that they led.

561
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 1: Him to the torture room, which is kind of like

562
00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: they led him in a kind of solemn procession with

563
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 1: people carrying candles ahead of them through the dark walls,

564
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: Like what would that sound like, benchug.

565
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, that's what it would sound like. And nobody

566
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 4: refuses to fucking talk to you.

567
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 5: No, one's like no eye contact. Hey, come on, guys,

568
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 5: contact wrong.

569
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,520
Speaker 4: You didn't say hi to me. I know something's wrong.

570
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: You're being rude. So he was right about one thing.

571
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: He got the same torture as Henry Walpole. He was

572
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:08,640
Speaker 1: hung from the ceiling by his wrists. Despite the shooting

573
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 1: pain across his hands, arms, and chest, John says he

574
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:13,720
Speaker 1: didn't give up any information.

575
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 4: He hung that way for hours and night.

576
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: He was finally taken down and led back to his cell,

577
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,439
Speaker 1: but the next day he was hung up again. He

578
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:24,160
Speaker 1: says that after just the second day, he couldn't take

579
00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: much more of the torture and totally just passed out.

580
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: After they had taken him down, John came too, and

581
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,159
Speaker 1: they wedged his mouth open with an iron nail and

582
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: poured hot water down his throat. Oh damn, these motherfuckers

583
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: are brutal. Really, that's the sound effect that we picked

584
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: Jesus christ Guys, I'm working. It just sounds more like

585
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,840
Speaker 1: somebody that didn't like his food. Like it just sounds

586
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: like Christopher walking fucking stubbing his toe.

587
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 3: I'm so curious because it was hard to fact check

588
00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: back then in a timely matter. Right, So when you're

589
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 3: asked to give up names, couldn't you have to like

590
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 3: self preservation, be like, uh, Tim Nobly, Chris Waddlesworth.

591
00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,159
Speaker 4: Yeah, and their address is, well, you go pass a pond.

592
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 5: I left at the fourth tree.

593
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:15,760
Speaker 3: And you know, if they came back and they were like,

594
00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 3: we didn't find him.

595
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,840
Speaker 5: Like, oh, I'm sorry, it was the third tree.

596
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,359
Speaker 3: I feel like you could have bought yourself more time

597
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 3: to not get tortures.

598
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 4: You probably could have. But you know what I find.

599
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: Impressive is the fortitude that it takes to be torture

600
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: and not give up any names, right, because that's just yes.

601
00:26:29,680 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, dude, but I like you

602
00:26:31,760 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 1: can guilt me into telling you shit like I am

603
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 1: not as good at lying.

604
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: I don't like silence, so you just asked me the question,

605
00:26:37,880 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 3: looked at me in silence. I would eventually fill that

606
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 3: silence with information.

607
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 1: If you force me to say hi to you when

608
00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 1: you don't say hi back, I'm just gonna give.

609
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 4: You my life story.

610
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: So after just two days of this, the man overseeing

611
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 1: John's torture were signed the position. Imagine how bad it

612
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 1: has to be that the head of torture is just like,

613
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 1: fuck it, I'm out.

614
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:01,800
Speaker 4: You guys are too much. Yeah. I got in this

615
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:03,639
Speaker 4: for the right reasons. It was fun at first, but

616
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 4: this is just fucked up.

617
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,200
Speaker 5: The torture game is out of control.

618
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: That's right, guys, it's it's it's fastest point. It's fastest, Brian,

619
00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:12,840
Speaker 1: I'm going back to building motes. So fortunately he was

620
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,080
Speaker 1: actually replaced by a kinder soul. The new man gave

621
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: up the torture and left John and his cell undisturbed. Now,

622
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: for three weeks, John could barely move his fingers. It

623
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,880
Speaker 1: was so bad that he even needed help eating. Of course,

624
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: he wasn't allowed any visitors doing his imprisonment in the tower,

625
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,360
Speaker 1: so that man, it was the jailer himself who had

626
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: to feed him. The man fell bad for him, you know,

627
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,200
Speaker 1: and started bringing him things that he asked for from

628
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 1: the outside world, like books and money, and eventually oranges.

629
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,719
Speaker 1: Here we go, here we go. Also money. Why did

630
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,840
Speaker 1: he bring money? He was an early adopter of crypto.

631
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 5: Please bring me bitcoin.

632
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,520
Speaker 1: So John had noticed that the jailer liked oranges, so

633
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,080
Speaker 1: when they were delivered to his cell, John shared them

634
00:27:58,080 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 1: with a man. But he also had another idea for them. So, John,

635
00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 1: how the fuck are you going to escape the infamous

636
00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: prison with the oranges? We already talked about a little

637
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 1: acidic thing that you're talking about.

638
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 5: Like, I'm just I'm so curious. I have no idea, Like,

639
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 5: what's he doing okay.

640
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 1: Well, first, he started collecting orange juice in a small jar.

641
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: Right at night, John practiced exercises with his hands.

642
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,920
Speaker 4: As the strength came back.

643
00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 1: He started carving orange peels into rosaries that he convinced

644
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: the jailer to deliver them to other Catholic prisoners throughout

645
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:30,119
Speaker 1: the tower. Over the next six months, John slowly executed

646
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: his plan. He asked her paper to package up his

647
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 1: orange peel rosaries, and then eventually also like, can you

648
00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: imagine some of the prisoners like them, and others were like, John,

649
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:43,240
Speaker 1: what the fuck is this man? How about you send

650
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,400
Speaker 1: me the orange itself. I'm fucking hungry man.

651
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 5: I'd rather have your money, even though it means nothing

652
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 5: in here.

653
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 1: I'd rather I mean bringing that you have so many

654
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: oranges and you just get to like the ards and.

655
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 4: Crafts with them, like okay.

656
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 1: He eventually asked for some charcoal to write messages to

657
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: his friends outside the prison. Now at this point, he

658
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 1: was pretty tired with the jailer, so he got everything

659
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: he asked for.

660
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,239
Speaker 5: His plan is coming together now, like he has Like

661
00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 5: he has a plan. I'm just so curious what it is.

662
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 3: But it seems like he's gaining favor and getting everything

663
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:10,840
Speaker 3: he wants.

664
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,000
Speaker 5: Right now exactly for him. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, So the moment of clarity for John Gerard was

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Speaker 1: that alongside the charcoal writing, he also used the toothpick

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Speaker 1: to scroll invisible words in orange shoe.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so, I mean just huge headline there. I don't

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Speaker 3: know they had toothpicks back then. I was like, hey,

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Speaker 3: why didn't nobody use them?

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Speaker 1: I've seen they're all mangled like they're just mainly decorative,

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Speaker 1: mainly decorative.

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Speaker 4: He just wanted people to know that you had him

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Speaker 4: around your house.

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Speaker 1: John says that this is something that a lot of

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Speaker 1: Catholics were doing to send secret messages, so he was

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Speaker 1: confident that the other Catholics would know what to do

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Speaker 1: when they got his note.

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Speaker 4: Okay, and he was right.

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Speaker 1: John got a package of food back from some of

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Speaker 1: his friends outside of the prison, and when he held

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Speaker 1: up the package paper to the candle flame, he could

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Speaker 1: see that they had responded with their own.

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Speaker 4: Ori introduced writing.

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Speaker 1: The secret channel of communication was open and it was

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Speaker 1: fresh as fuck, that's right. The first thing that John

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Speaker 1: and his friends agreed on was that they needed to

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Speaker 1: pay the jailer for these notes. Right. John's Catholic friends

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Speaker 1: started filling the man's wallet, so soon enough he was

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Speaker 1: happily carrying packages of food between him. The whole time,

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Speaker 1: John and his friends were working out the details of

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Speaker 1: an escape plot. So in the spring of fifteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 1: the Attorney General questioned John again to prepare for his trial.

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Speaker 1: The interrogation was harsh, and it convinced Jean that he

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Speaker 1: was soon going to be given a public execution. It

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Speaker 1: was time John initiated stage one of his plan. He

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Speaker 1: convinced the jailer to let him visit another cell of

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Speaker 1: another Catholic prisoner who was locked up in the Cradle Tower.

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Speaker 1: Side note, fucked up name for a tower.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, fucked up. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It took some serious bribing John's friends, but they had

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Speaker 1: paid the jail enough. He agreed a few things about

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Speaker 1: this other man. He had been in the Tower of

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Speaker 1: London for ten years. The Cradle Tower faced the Castle

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Speaker 1: moat and the river beyond that. The man cell had

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Speaker 1: a low down. Actually, correction, the man cell was low

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Speaker 1: down on the outer law. The cell had the lowdown

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Speaker 1: on it. The cell really knew what was going down.

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Speaker 5: That cell was happening at who knew who who.

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Speaker 1: It was such a gossip it was make as so

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Speaker 1: when the two of them were together in the man cell,

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Speaker 1: they looked out the window and they agreed that if

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Speaker 1: they could get their hands on some rope, they could

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Speaker 1: use it to shimmy down. As long as they had

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Speaker 1: friends on the outside who could pick him up and

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Speaker 1: help them with a getaway, they could.

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Speaker 5: Have a rope man.

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Speaker 3: Prison breaks still happened today, and I have to imagine

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Speaker 3: rope is a big part of it.

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Speaker 4: Rope doesn't get enough credit, you know, it doesn't get it.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't It doesn't get enough credit.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: So, using the secret orange juice writing, John coordinated the

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Speaker 1: time of the place with his network of Catholic friend

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Speaker 1: outside that when the night came, John bribed the jailer

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Speaker 1: and this jaylor is just fucking raking it in to

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Speaker 1: bring him into the other man's cell. Once they were

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Speaker 1: locked in together, they used the knife to lose in

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Speaker 1: a stone around the bolt of their cell door and

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Speaker 1: climbed onto the roof overlooking the moat, where they waited.

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Speaker 1: The first night on the rooftop, though ended in failure.

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Speaker 1: John's friends did arrive in a rowboat, but they crashed

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Speaker 1: on the river bank near the London Bridge and got

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Speaker 1: trapped by the current and almost capsides. One of them

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Speaker 1: even fell into the water and had to be rescued

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Speaker 1: by a crowd of people who gathered when they heard

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Speaker 1: him shouting, really giving away his position and I please

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Speaker 1: come on, I'm.

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Speaker 4: Trying to get away. I'm trying to get break my

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Speaker 4: friend out of jail.

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Speaker 5: You just save me so I can break him out.

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Speaker 4: That's right.

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Speaker 1: Fortunately for John, no one suspected they were trying to

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Speaker 1: help the prisoner escape. They were then even able to

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Speaker 1: get their hands on another boat and come back the

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Speaker 1: very next night. This time, rather than climbing to the roof,

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Speaker 1: John waited in the cell of Cradle Tower. When the

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Speaker 1: boaters pulled up, the secured a rope to the vessel,

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Speaker 1: and they tossed the other side to John, who tied

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Speaker 1: it up inside the cell. Then the two men started

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Speaker 1: as shimmy down the rope. Even though John's hands were

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Speaker 1: still in enormous pain, he was able to take it

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Speaker 1: slow and managed to climb all the way down the rope.

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Speaker 1: He joined his accomplices in the rowboat and they set

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Speaker 1: off down river under the cover of darkness. Their first

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Speaker 1: hiding place was in the outskirts of the city, where

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Speaker 1: they switched to horses and disappeared into the countryside, throwing

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Speaker 1: toothpicks everywhere.

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Speaker 4: Scavengers, scavengers, scavengers.

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Speaker 1: Once John had escaped, his friends sent someone back to

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Speaker 1: the prison. He told the jailer what happened and offered

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Speaker 1: to get the man out of the country.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: When the jailer realized that he would then be executed

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Speaker 1: for letting John escape, he agreed. He went home, gathered

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Speaker 1: his family, and fled the country, using the Catholic underground

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Speaker 1: network to get out. John says that the jailer lived

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Speaker 1: comfortably for the rest of his life on a yearly

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Speaker 1: allowance paid by the Jesuit allies.

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Speaker 5: Very cool.

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Speaker 6: I believe John, I want to believe him. But that

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Speaker 6: jailer is dead, that jailer is gone, that Jaylor in

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Speaker 6: his entire family. Yeah, and said where can we find him?

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Speaker 6: He said, oh, around the pond, the third tree.

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Speaker 5: Like, I don't remember, but he just know that he's alive.

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Speaker 4: He's thriving. He is just living his best life, you know.

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Speaker 1: As for John, he was able to stay in England

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Speaker 1: for a year, moving between houses of his Catholic friends

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Speaker 1: and keeping a low profile.

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Speaker 4: Would you have the.

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Speaker 1: Courage to do the same thing again after you were

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Speaker 1: arrested the first time.

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Speaker 5: Oh no, go to France, Go to somewhere. Now you're

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Speaker 5: in Europe.

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Speaker 4: Travel, travel, find yourself.

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Speaker 1: You pretty love, you got the whole orange peely or Rostary.

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Speaker 4: Things make a business. I'm sure there's a business for it.

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Speaker 1: So things got even too hot for John in sixteen

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Speaker 1: o five, especially on the fifth of November. That's right,

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the Gunpowder plot when Catholic rebels try

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Speaker 1: to blow.

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Speaker 5: Up Parliament, Remember the fifth of November.

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Speaker 1: Yes, after that even John got out of England, and

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Speaker 1: I guess it was the sign that his mission was

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Speaker 1: over now. John was eventually able to slip across the

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Speaker 1: English Channel and escape the reach of the Protestant powers

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Speaker 1: trying to kill him. He made it to the English

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Speaker 1: College in Rome, where he lived until his death in

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Speaker 1: sixteen thirty seven.

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Speaker 4: He was seventy three years old. Before his death, he

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Speaker 4: wrote a.

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Speaker 1: Memoir describing his life, his various encounters with priest hunters,

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Speaker 1: his imprisonment in the tower, and his escape. These days,

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Speaker 1: the Tar of London is super popular with tourists like

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Speaker 1: you said, it's where England's crown jewels are displayed.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, review whos.

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Speaker 1: Actually give the castle a four out of five stars

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Speaker 1: on Yelp and trip Adviser.

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00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,520
Speaker 5: God, these like amazing historic artifacts are just like.

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Speaker 1: They're like not impressed, not impressed, not into it. You know,

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00:35:55,960 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 1: there refreshments wearing that gut. The tower was kind of cold. Also,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that that's how John Gerard.

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Speaker 4: Would have like rated his day.

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Speaker 1: I would have loved to read as Yelp review being

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Speaker 1: like the staff was friendly, but my goodness, the daytime

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Speaker 1: activities were really hard to swallow.

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Speaker 3: If I could give zero stars, I would, but it

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Speaker 3: makes me get them one, so I will give one one.

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Speaker 1: Interesting little tidbit though. Tower tourism actually started in the

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Speaker 1: fifteen hundreds. Today people visited as a historical prison and

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Speaker 1: torture chamber, and it costs about thirty British pounds to

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Speaker 1: get in, so at least we have the benefit of

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Speaker 1: distance from the brutal past. But in the same years

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Speaker 1: that people were being in prison there and tortured inside,

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Speaker 1: others were pained to visit and do a little disaster tourism.

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Speaker 5: Oh my god, you believe wile.

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Speaker 1: One account says that in sixteen thirty nine and aristocrat

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Speaker 1: paid eleven shillings for her tour.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they're like, isn't this pleasant? Isn't this beautif?

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Speaker 5: That's right?

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Speaker 4: I have this stance while these people I haven't.

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Speaker 5: Yes, let's go watch a little torture today.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's positively diblish. Okay, so no RecA fucking crazy

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Speaker 1: story John visiting torture chambers fun year Nay.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, contemporaneously with when the people are getting tortured, like no,

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Speaker 3: like present day, like yeah, like I've been to like

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Speaker 3: a couple.

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Speaker 5: Outside of Rome, old Roman ones.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and then yeah, like out of curiosity, like yes,

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Speaker 3: but like not like not.

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00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 1: Back then when it's actively being used this one right, No, no, no,

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00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: the inquisition museums are so fucked up.

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Speaker 5: But I mean to bear witness to the crazy stuff.

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Speaker 4: Yes, it's worth it.

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Speaker 5: Yes, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Where can listeners find your work?

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Speaker 3: I have a little house, uh surrounded by a boat yus,

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Speaker 3: I said, I know, I'm on American Auto now val

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Speaker 3: on NBC. I think you can get it on Peacock.

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Speaker 3: I think we're off Hulu. We're done with Hulu.

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Speaker 5: Superstores. That's not that still is on Hulu, I believe,

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Speaker 5: and and you.

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Speaker 3: Can also check out the second season of Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Party and that So congratulations brother, sure Benjin, would you

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Speaker 1: like to play at convincing each other that we have

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Speaker 1: to escape this prison? But in the voice of Sean

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Speaker 1: Connery and Nicholas Cage signing off, like like, let's escape

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Speaker 1: this spot.

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Speaker 4: So who do you want to be?

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Speaker 5: I'll take take a little Connrie, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Take Connory right, Okay, yes, at we gotta go now, Conrie,

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Speaker 1: we have.

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Speaker 5: To wait until the gage to sleep. Then we can

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Speaker 5: make a move.

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Speaker 4: Here's some more introduce Sean, what are you gonna do

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Speaker 4: about it?

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Speaker 3: I'm wanna work a little a little nasty note and

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Speaker 3: slip it pasta goage.

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Speaker 5: We can get a help from our friends in the outshot.

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Speaker 1: Oh fantastic, brother, Thank you, what a pleasure it.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much. John a great.

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Speaker 5: Honor, buddy, Thank you so much, so much fun. You're

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Speaker 5: so funny. Oh man, what.

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Speaker 4: A great time that was.

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Speaker 1: Olivia Canny, and Kelsey Albright. Hey, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for listening, and if you're enjoying the show, please drop

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Speaker 1: personally and thank you, and we'll see you all next

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