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Speaker 1: What's up, everybody? Welcome to move the sticks DJ. Bucky

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Speaker 1: good DJ. This is a really fun time of year.

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Speaker 1: the Seattle cracking that you were you were all in.

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Speaker 1: You know, DD I don't. But what I would do,

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Speaker 1: a defensive standpoint. If you can hold people to seventeen

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Speaker 1: points DJ in the national football you should win the

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Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of games. That is a great defensive effort.

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Speaker 1: If you're only surrendering seventeen points, I think when the

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Speaker 1: Seat of Sehawks and the Baltimore Ravens and those teams

435
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Speaker 1: are playing at their best in their heyday, you're talking

436
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Speaker 1: about right around fifteen or fourteen, which is uncommon. Seventeen

437
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Speaker 1: points per game. If you're in that range, you typically

438
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Speaker 1: should always be in the top five or top ten,

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Speaker 1: top five for sure, because that's just the way that

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Speaker 1: it goes, and there are different ways to achieve that

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Speaker 1: part of it. So, you know, like David Shaw, we

442
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Speaker 1: talked about David Show being a friend of the program.

443
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Speaker 1: I played for his dad, Willie Show, who was a

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Speaker 1: longtime decordinator in the league. I played for him in

445
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Speaker 1: Oakland and I continue to talk to him, and he

446
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Speaker 1: says that defensive coordinators need to be able to assess

447
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Speaker 1: the kind of team that they have and they have

448
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Speaker 1: to begin to call the game accordingly. Meaning if I'm

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Speaker 1: a team that doesn't necessarily have great pass rushers and

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Speaker 1: those things, then what we want to do is we

451
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Speaker 1: want to be a great team in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: So what we'll do is we'll play I saw traditional coverages.

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Speaker 1: We won't let the ball fly over our heads, We'll

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Speaker 1: keep everything in front, but when the ball reaches the

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Speaker 1: thirty yard line, we will spend all of our practice

456
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Speaker 1: time devoted to being great in the red zone and

457
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Speaker 1: forcing people to kick field goals as opposed to touchdowns.

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Speaker 1: And so he says, if I have a team that

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Speaker 1: can create plays and I got pass rushers, now I

460
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Speaker 1: can be more aggressive out in the field. But if

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Speaker 1: I don't have those things, then what I want to

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Speaker 1: do is I want to spend the bulk of my

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Speaker 1: practice time working on the red zone. I want to

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Speaker 1: have a few different tricks in the red zone to

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Speaker 1: force people to kick as opposed to score. And you

466
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Speaker 1: have to understand it. And I think that's what great

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Speaker 1: coaches do. It is really interesting. Last week, for perspective,

468
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Speaker 1: the Rams had the number one defense in the league

469
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Speaker 1: points allowed eighteen point five. So as the league is

470
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Speaker 1: trending more towards offense, you know, seventeen used to be

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Speaker 1: that marker. I would say, look, there were only three

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Speaker 1: teams in the league last year that allowed under twenty

473
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Speaker 1: points a game, So I mean I would say, you know,

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Speaker 1: probably twenty one, you probably could even go. And if

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Speaker 1: you're a twenty one, you're a top five, you're a

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Speaker 1: top top top five, top six in the league in

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Speaker 1: terms of points allowed. UM. So this year, what's interesting? UM?

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Speaker 1: And again I kind of come back to kind of

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Speaker 1: you know, watching this Chargers team. Last year, the Rams

480
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Speaker 1: were number one of yards allowed and points, so what

481
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Speaker 1: that was a dominant, dominant unit. But like this year,

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Speaker 1: the the Chargers in terms of rushing yards, they've allowed

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Speaker 1: the third most. Like look at these teams. This is

484
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Speaker 1: the rushing yards allowed. Okay, Kansas City number one, they're average.

485
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Speaker 1: They're giving up two huo rushing yards a game. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Seattle is second worst, hundred sixty two five a game,

487
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Speaker 1: Chargers hundred and sixty two a game, Green Bay hundred

488
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Speaker 1: and thirty nine a game. So when I look at

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Speaker 1: those teams, Casey, Seattle, the Chargers, the Packers, those are

490
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Speaker 1: four dynamic offenses. So if you think about the team

491
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Speaker 1: building process, if we believe we are going to score

492
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Speaker 1: a bunch of points, you don't build a run stopping defense.

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Speaker 1: You don't. You don't care because teams aren't gonna be

494
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Speaker 1: able run the ball because you're gonna're gonna run up

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Speaker 1: the score and they're gonna have to keep pace. UM.

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Speaker 1: I think that's kind of fascinating when you look at

497
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Speaker 1: kind of the connection there between great offenses and bad

498
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Speaker 1: run defenses. Yeah, and I think that has always been

499
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Speaker 1: the case for a long time. Um. Going back to

500
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Speaker 1: my experience in the National Football League as a player,

501
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Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills had come off four straight Super Bowl

502
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Speaker 1: appearances when I joined the team. The offense was dominant.

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Speaker 1: The Hall of fameers on it offense Jim Kelly Thurman,

504
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Speaker 1: Thomas Andre Reid, those guys, so they were dominant, but

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Speaker 1: when you look at the defense, it was Cordinelius been

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Speaker 1: It and Bruce Smith and then Dar'll tell you was

507
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Speaker 1: a solid player, but then just a bunch of other guys.

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Speaker 1: So in talking to Bill Polian in the past, he

509
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Speaker 1: talked about your team is your offensive personnel, and then

510
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Speaker 1: it's your pass rushers, another defensive playmaker, and then maybe

511
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Speaker 1: your corner. Maybe it doesn't always need to be a

512
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Speaker 1: corner because you can be zoned since and get away

513
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Speaker 1: with it, but you gotta have two pass rushers, and

514
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Speaker 1: you need to have another playmaker somewhere on the second level. DC.

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Speaker 1: When you're the Kanda City Chiefs and you fall into

516
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Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes and you see how Patrick Mahomes plays, and

517
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Speaker 1: you see how that offense is playing, it changes the

518
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Speaker 1: way you do everything on defense. If I'm Steve Spagnola,

519
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Speaker 1: I'm playing, I'm calling the game like it's an arena

520
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Speaker 1: football game, meaning all I'm playing for is one or

521
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Speaker 1: two stops, is much or more than anybody. I'm blissing

522
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Speaker 1: all the time because all I'm trying to do is

523
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Speaker 1: to force you into a negative play to get you

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Speaker 1: in third and fifteen. So I can either get you

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Speaker 1: off the field or I can get right and and

526
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Speaker 1: so when we talk about complimentary football, complimentary football is

527
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Speaker 1: not just how you play the game um on game day,

528
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Speaker 1: but it's how you build your team. Because if I'm

529
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Speaker 1: expected to have a high octane offense and the salary

530
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Speaker 1: cap era, then that means, okay, look, we're gonna score points.

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Speaker 1: Paid my quarterback, I give them all these weapons. Our

532
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: salary cap pire goes heavily towards the offense. Well, defensively,

533
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Speaker 1: we're only gonna invest in pass rushers and a playmaker

534
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Speaker 1: somewhere in the back end, safety, corner, linebacker, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: Because the expectation is offense every week, I expect you

536
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Speaker 1: to put up thirty defense and man, we can just

537
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Speaker 1: hold them too. Is great and also dj when you

538
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Speaker 1: talk about that, you give up rushing yards if you're

539
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Speaker 1: a team that's like that, because teams that run it

540
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Speaker 1: take longer to score in the national football that it

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Speaker 1: takes you a long time to run the ball down

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Speaker 1: the field and score touchdowns. There's a cumulative effect of

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Speaker 1: the running game that typically doesn't take place, and to

544
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Speaker 1: the third and fourth quarter. Well, if you've been running

545
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Speaker 1: and moving the ball, but you've been selling for threes

546
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Speaker 1: and with zip coming down the field like oral runner,

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's fourteen three, it's twenty one six, and you

548
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Speaker 1: have to get out of running the football and then

549
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: goat you because now you're playing my game. And so

550
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: there is something to that. So when you're a team,

551
00:27:04,240 --> 00:27:06,280
Speaker 1: go do. You have to understand exactly who you are

552
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: offensively so that you can build your defense to compliment.

553
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Speaker 1: If you're not good on offense, then your defense has

554
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Speaker 1: to be a dominant defense that gets the ball back,

555
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 1: gives you short fields, gives you opportunities, no doubt. Again,

556
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Speaker 1: it's fun when you can kind of marry up what

557
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Speaker 1: you see with your eyes on the video and then

558
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Speaker 1: be able to match it up with some of the

559
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Speaker 1: statistical data that we've been able to throw out there.

560
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Speaker 1: So I hope you guys enjoyed that conversation. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: get to our interview with Oregon head coach Mario Cristo

562
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Speaker 1: Ball right after this. Alright, Buck excited to welcome our

563
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Speaker 1: friend back to the show here, Mario Christo Ball coach.

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Speaker 1: I'd be curious, you know, we'll get into where the

565
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Speaker 1: season goes from here, but I'd love to know what

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Speaker 1: the first practice after the Ohio State game was like

567
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Speaker 1: up there in Eugene. Honestly, it was the same as

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Speaker 1: the ones before and the previous week obviously, See, I

569
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Speaker 1: get it right. When there's a little extra something and

570
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,600
Speaker 1: playing on a big stage, it always brings a little

571
00:28:05,640 --> 00:28:09,000
Speaker 1: bit more intensity, I would say, but in terms of

572
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Speaker 1: the physicality and the commitment to doing that, playing on

573
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 1: a certain level and practice is real and it's strong,

574
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Speaker 1: and we always refer to it as our secret sauce.

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Speaker 1: You know. We we train a certain way, we you know,

576
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Speaker 1: talk a certain way, so we could play a certain

577
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Speaker 1: way and it shows up especially after after a big game.

578
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Speaker 1: After they're all big games, the next one is the

579
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Speaker 1: biggest game anyway. So you know, coach Um from the

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Speaker 1: town that you've taken over the program, you've always kind

581
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Speaker 1: of talked about the long term vision of kind of

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Speaker 1: being a heavyweight contender. Right the way that you build

583
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Speaker 1: a team, you build it not just with the non

584
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Speaker 1: tours being able to win and dominate the pack, but

585
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:45,479
Speaker 1: being able to dominate opponents outside of it, those who

586
00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: you eventually have to play to win the title? How

587
00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: is it too? How hard is it to set that

588
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: vision and even when your program is not there, but

589
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Speaker 1: to stay committed to you know, this is where we're

590
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Speaker 1: going and this is how we have to get there. Well,

591
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 1: it's starts with the people, and it starts with the

592
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Speaker 1: people that you hire. It starts with the people that

593
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Speaker 1: you recruit. It starts with your treatment and your teaching

594
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 1: of people as well. You know, your your care factor

595
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 1: has got to be real and genuine. You can't fake

596
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,240
Speaker 1: your way through this, man. I'm like you, guys, I

597
00:29:14,280 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: sat in those lockers, but I knew if the coach

598
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,200
Speaker 1: was real or if he was full of bologny, if

599
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:21,760
Speaker 1: he was full of Bolognay, you know, it just doesn't

600
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: It's not the same. So the buy into physicality um

601
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: is something that you gotta work man. I mean, you

602
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 1: could talk about it all you want. We have a look.

603
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: We have some unbelievable guest speakers, but there's no one's

604
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: going to talk to the guy into continually throwing his

605
00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: body around with technique and fundamentals in mind and max effort,

606
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: but with physicality and coming out of their hips and

607
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,440
Speaker 1: striking and running through contact That takes time, and it

608
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Speaker 1: takes practice, and it takes teaching because no one comes

609
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Speaker 1: out of that womb, you know, just swinging away and

610
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Speaker 1: being that guy. You gotta work at it. And our guys,

611
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Speaker 1: I'm grateful to them because I'm a little difficult sometimes

612
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,840
Speaker 1: to deal with, but they've allowed me to push them.

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00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,719
Speaker 1: It started with an agreement. We promised him, We promised

614
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: every single player, You're gonna have an unbelievable Power five

615
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Speaker 1: experience if you just allow us to push you to

616
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 1: this level, you won't have a breakdown. We'll have a

617
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Speaker 1: breakthrough when we get to that that edge. And I

618
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 1: think we've had that a couple of times. We and

619
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Speaker 1: I think we're just we're just kind of scratching the

620
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Speaker 1: surface where we think we're gonna be real good here

621
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Speaker 1: in the next several years. Coach, I remember, you know,

622
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Speaker 1: going back to the the time with the Ravens and seeing

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Speaker 1: Ed and Ray come through there, and there was just

624
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Speaker 1: a different thing, you know what. The Miami thing is

625
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: just different. Those guys are wired a little different. There's

626
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Speaker 1: a different level of passion and commitment with that group.

627
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Speaker 1: How have you gone about trying to instill some of

628
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Speaker 1: that Miami you know, I already talked about you and

629
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 1: always talked about Alabama. I'm like, you, forget this guy,

630
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Speaker 1: this is Miami, this is long before Alabama. How much

631
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Speaker 1: of that have you been able to instill in this

632
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Speaker 1: group up there in Eugene. Well, I mean I remember

633
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 1: walking in that locker room as a freshman dating myself.

634
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Speaker 1: Now it's not good, so a little bit older, but

635
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Speaker 1: I remember, Um, I guess the word was I was

636
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: terrified not to uphold the standard mhm. And that's like real,

637
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,520
Speaker 1: That's about as truthful as I could be. I saw

638
00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: the level of tech. I used to go over there

639
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: in high school and try to watch those guys after practice.

640
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: I remember the guy two guys that stick out but

641
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,760
Speaker 1: any blades and Michael Irvin doing one on ones after practice.

642
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 1: It looked like a fistfight. It looked like a brawl.

643
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: And then going over to Alabama and the application of

644
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: sports psychology, practice, regimentation that goes with it, down to

645
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: the rep the off season, the fourth Core program. Um,

646
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: I felt like I've been around some really good mentors,

647
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: some awesome people, great Ciano Rutgers, that place you know

648
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: at the time, Probation one eleven, you know, and all

649
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 1: of a sudden band you know, learning from him and

650
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,840
Speaker 1: how he turned that program around. So all those things

651
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: I've had a tremendous impact. We brought it here in

652
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: our own way. But the blueprint and that that DNA

653
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: about well, I can't say certain you know what I mean,

654
00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: the DNA of getting after it, it's it's it's well

655
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,040
Speaker 1: and alive in this program. We've recruited the right coaches,

656
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: the right players that buy into it. Even if it's

657
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: not instantly, over time, guys are getting it. And um,

658
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: we don't try to copy anybody, you know, where ourselves

659
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: there are there's a heavy influence from those programs here.

660
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,400
Speaker 1: There's no doubt you know that. I think we're trying

661
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: to say, is there's some stuff in their neck? I

662
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: think that's going yeah, you can say it. I can't

663
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,480
Speaker 1: they They certainly have that. And I think this is

664
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 1: so unique. Like obviously dj N I are here on

665
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: the West coast, so I tends to excu towards packed

666
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 1: to a football And for the longest time, even we

667
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 1: were scouting, they were talking about maybe some of the

668
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:46,120
Speaker 1: softness that existed in the pack compared to if you're

669
00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: play in the SEC or the Big ten those things.

670
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,160
Speaker 1: So as you take Oregon and we're just talking about Oregon,

671
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: how do you build your team in that that molde

672
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: that you know you have to be built to be

673
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: able to play with those other heavyweight contenders. What starts

674
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 1: in the trenches, And we invested heavily in the trenches,

675
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: I mean tech turning on. Well, we can't watch TV,

676
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 1: but I know on Sunday, I guess we had six

677
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 1: or seven offensive linement playing that it played here just recently.

678
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: One of being a top ten pick this past year

679
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,800
Speaker 1: at twenty years old. Um. And then you've got I

680
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: remember arriving here in two thousand seventeen, Henry Mondo was

681
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: already here. He's doing great things with the Steelers. So

682
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,120
Speaker 1: justin Hollands, it just starts with the trenches and being

683
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 1: able to practice. You know, you're one on ones, you're

684
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,520
Speaker 1: two on two, is you're five on four, is your

685
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: seven on seven progression teaching, progression, drilling and eventually carried

686
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: over the team and unit work and then make it

687
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: that translate over to game day. So that was the

688
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: initial part, but that that mentality has been carried over

689
00:33:42,560 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: to the perimeter as well. You watch guys like Johnny

690
00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: Johnson for US and Jalen Read they play just as

691
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,560
Speaker 1: hard with the ball in their hands or without the

692
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 1: ball in their hands. I mean, physicality is a real thing.

693
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 1: Physicality is something that don't brag about or you don't

694
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 1: boast about. You just take pride in putting on film

695
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 1: because you know, talking about and proclaiming it isn't isn't real. Brother,

696
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: you better show it because that tape is not gonna

697
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: lie in. And we're getting better at it. We still

698
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,640
Speaker 1: got a long ways to go, but where we're blessed

699
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:12,439
Speaker 1: with some really good leaders and we're progressing well. Coach,

700
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: I'm curious on measurements. You're recruiting high school kids obviously

701
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: comes through the combine. You're coming to the NFL. We

702
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,239
Speaker 1: know how long these guys are, we get all that

703
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: all that information, What type of information are you able

704
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: to gather on these high school kids? And you've got

705
00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:26,720
Speaker 1: to project out body type growth too, which is totally

706
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:28,880
Speaker 1: different than what we have to deal with. Well, you know,

707
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: we do the same thing. We are our models very

708
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 1: much an NFL model um and we've had the great

709
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:38,840
Speaker 1: fortune of having the ability to visit several NFL organizations,

710
00:34:39,040 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: spend time with them when they visit. I just they

711
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,719
Speaker 1: probably are so sick of me because I just keep

712
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: them there and just extrapolate information in their brains. Man,

713
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: just trying to get better. So they probably won't come

714
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 1: back now, but they've really helped us. They really helped us.

715
00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: And then man project it's I remember I had a

716
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 1: coach back at miamis just say, you know, recruiting the

717
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,640
Speaker 1: the most imperfect science because you just don't know which

718
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 1: direction that mindset is gonna go, that body is gonna

719
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: explode or shrink down to you, just so you do

720
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: your best buy, really digging deep into them as a person,

721
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: their family, the traits, you know, their size and growth potential, um,

722
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:21,240
Speaker 1: their ability to you know, let's call it first availability

723
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 1: on don't you check their check their transcript and look

724
00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 1: down for days late or days absent? Right, the first

725
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: little being successful is you better show up, not to

726
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,720
Speaker 1: show up on time, and that that thing shows forty

727
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 1: five absentees. You know you're you're probably not going to

728
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 1: change that, you know, but so there's so many things

729
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:42,960
Speaker 1: that go into it. But you know, available, ability, durability,

730
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: all those things are in our opinion. There they are

731
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,120
Speaker 1: tangible abilities that you can measure and observe and see,

732
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,279
Speaker 1: and they're tied into this whole because it's hard to

733
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: be a college football player. Now. There's a lot going

734
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: on in classes, demanding, you know, every the pressure is

735
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:57,920
Speaker 1: of We used to have the sam alot pressures, not

736
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,040
Speaker 1: social media and everything that comes with it. Right, and

737
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,479
Speaker 1: on your Twitter kind you got forty people telling you're greater.

738
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: You just think you know how many teenage you know

739
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 1: young men can handle that, and how you got to

740
00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: coach him and teach him through it. So anyways, you're

741
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,320
Speaker 1: recruiting strong minded, strong old guys that that are willing

742
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 1: to work in at love the game. You know, it's funny, coach,

743
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:18,839
Speaker 1: because you've talked about it. We've had private conversation. Where

744
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 1: have you talked about the important part of the mental

745
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: part of it, like sports performance, mental performance and those things.

746
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: Can you touch on when did you fall in love

747
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: with that part of it and when did you see

748
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 1: that it was so necessary to help your team go

749
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 1: from good to great? Yeah? Well, I just over the

750
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,959
Speaker 1: years I realized that what worked on me doesn't work

751
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: for like normal people. I was a very average football player,

752
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: and I love my high school coach. First guy went

753
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: and found in Columbus, Ohio after the game. He was there, um,

754
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 1: because he was just so hard on us all the time.

755
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 1: I mean just up and down the field, relentlessly. I'm like,

756
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 1: they just gonna have a problem with me because it's

757
00:36:57,640 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: like relentless. But I loved it. It It has drove me

758
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:03,319
Speaker 1: every single day. And when I you know, I've just

759
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: spending time at the Miami with guys like you know,

760
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: Trevor Moad May rest in peace, you know recently past

761
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: Man last week, great influence. Kevin Elko was absolutely awesome

762
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,400
Speaker 1: with us at the University of Miami and at Alabama.

763
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: You know Brett Leadbetter that works with us here. You

764
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: know Phil Beckner who works with us here. I mean,

765
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: you name it, um, all these minds. I just kept

766
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:32,120
Speaker 1: seeing the impact of turning a mindset to go in

767
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: a direction where it was just harnessing all that that

768
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 1: energy that I don't know what you call it, the

769
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:41,359
Speaker 1: inner strength, the DNA, just to go in the right

770
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: direction more consistently as opposed to just alright, competition will

771
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 1: take care of it. Maybe this guy's better now, he's well,

772
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,040
Speaker 1: keep that thing alive, make everybody better, It'll make the

773
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: competition and turn your team grow. So I think all

774
00:37:55,080 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 1: those places showed me a lot about how important this is,

775
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: the psychology, the psychological part of the game. And I'm

776
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: a big believer in it and still learning a lot

777
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: from it and about it. But we're we're heavily and

778
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: invested in it. It's amazing coach, when you can train

779
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: the person as well as a player the results that

780
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 1: that that you end up getting out of that. We've

781
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: talked about some offensive line and you guys have built

782
00:38:16,680 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 1: a great offensive line factory there. I'm curious on the

783
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: defensive line. We had a chance, we're doing a prototype

784
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:23,480
Speaker 1: series last year and so we're talking about all these

785
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: different positions. So we had a bunch of the line

786
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,880
Speaker 1: coaches on. We were talking about kind of the the

787
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: non negotiables, what you gotta have, and everybody started with

788
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 1: get off. Like it seemed like that that just came

789
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 1: come up over and over and over again. Curious to

790
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: get your thoughts on the importance of get off. And

791
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: then you've got a guy there, I know he's been

792
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 1: a little nicked up, but in Cavon, what you see

793
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,399
Speaker 1: from him in terms of his get off. Yeah, it's

794
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: it's different. Now. That looks like a rocket ship when

795
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:51,319
Speaker 1: it comes off the ball and it's explosive, but it's

796
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: also it comes with power. Is very heavy handed. I

797
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: think that's important. You know. Sometimes guys have that get

798
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,440
Speaker 1: off and they do it with poor pad level. To

799
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 1: have that type of get off with a flat back

800
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: and heavy handed where the hands work inside where you're

801
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: going and playing a lot of high is a big thing.

802
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,120
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times as an offensive

803
00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: line coach you watch a defensive linement and they're explosive

804
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,719
Speaker 1: with that get off, but they stand straight up and

805
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: expose its cycle. We'll take that, you know. And then

806
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: the other guys that are so low and make themselves

807
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: so skinny and have that slither to them, or they

808
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 1: can flip their hips with the surface that you're trying

809
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: to get contact with, um shrinks, it's reduced. Those are

810
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 1: the guys that are really really hard to block. Now

811
00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 1: you throw in power. The guys that have that that

812
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 1: you know man as a life that was a very

813
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: quick footed guy. Man, those guys are like parking to

814
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: go against. Then you add power where you could get

815
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: caught in a crossover and that thing goes speed of

816
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 1: power that run right through your brother. That's awesome stuff.

817
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: Those guys are game changers, you know. And credit to

818
00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 1: our guys. We've been down. We've been down five six

819
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,080
Speaker 1: starters at one point almost you know, a little it

820
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 1: more and guys have stepped up and Camon sod a

821
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: really good job coaching those guys. But yeah, those are

822
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: some of the traits that you look for. UM and

823
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: guys that are versatile, man, Guys that are versatile that

824
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:14,239
Speaker 1: are really really smart because if they are, you can

825
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: do a lot of different things. And it's like a receiver, right,

826
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:17,759
Speaker 1: you don't want to put the receiver in the same

827
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,720
Speaker 1: spot every single down. They'll find the trail coverage, ride

828
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: to man, all that stuff. Well, you want to do

829
00:40:23,239 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: the same with your really good deal. You know. It's

830
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 1: funny because we talked about trades, DJ and I talked

831
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,359
Speaker 1: about building teams, like the two positions we always start with.

832
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: One is quarterback and then you just talked about pass rusher.

833
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: You recently had justin Herbert there you gotta it was

834
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: the first round. Pig has been playing outstanding, but now

835
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 1: you have another young quarterback or quarterback that you got

836
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 1: from Bass College and Brown. When you think about the

837
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: core traits that you need at the quarterback position, what

838
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 1: are some of those things that you feel like are

839
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: non negotiables? And I think all the things that everybody

840
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,760
Speaker 1: talks about, I just I do, and all those traits

841
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,160
Speaker 1: about you know, the the guy's gotta be able to

842
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,800
Speaker 1: anticipate great pocket presence. You know, he's got to be accurate.

843
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 1: He's gotta understand protection, so he's gotta have a high

844
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 1: football i Q. I think the part that not many

845
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,160
Speaker 1: people talk about. He's got to win over the team.

846
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 1: You know that his supporting cast has to believe in

847
00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: him and wanting to succeeds so badly that they're exhausting

848
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 1: themselves on a play by play basis and refusing to

849
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 1: put a single rep on film with the opponent that works,

850
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: and because they believe in that quarterback and they wanted

851
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 1: to do well, and um, you know guys that yeah,

852
00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 1: guys that are good players, they gained some of that affinity.

853
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: But the ones that are tough, right, the ones that

854
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: go out of their way to bring the right type

855
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,400
Speaker 1: of correction and calling teammates up sometimes call him out.

856
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,839
Speaker 1: But calling them and lifting them up and taking the

857
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 1: onus of responsibility when things may not go so well,

858
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:57,320
Speaker 1: and generating the type of belief that there's no bad play,

859
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: no bad call, no injury that we can't overcome because

860
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: we're just gonna keep coming those type of intangibles. Man,

861
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,799
Speaker 1: I know, as aligneman, I would kill myself walking for

862
00:42:07,840 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: guys like that, and I had quarterbacks like that. So

863
00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: but all the other traits, yeah, there's for quarterbacks is

864
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 1: about fifty five non negotiables. The intangible side is just

865
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 1: as non negotiable. Those things go a long, long way, man,

866
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,879
Speaker 1: along long and you see it. And these guys really

867
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: believe in Anthony and and he it merits their support

868
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:32,320
Speaker 1: and belief because of what he's done. Coaches. Last question

869
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: from me um. It was in the Charger game the

870
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:35,880
Speaker 1: other day and was up there in the booth and

871
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: there was seventy thousand people there. It's the Dallas Cowboys,

872
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:40,920
Speaker 1: and I had kind of every Now, then you have

873
00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:43,280
Speaker 1: those moments in life where you can't get overwhelmed with gratefulness,

874
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: You can't think of your twelve year old self and

875
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,040
Speaker 1: what we get to do in this world? Has have

876
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 1: you had those moments. Uh, throughout your career. We just said, man,

877
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: this is you're the head coach in Oregon. You guys

878
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: went in the shoe and beat Ohio State. You still

879
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,240
Speaker 1: allow yourself to have those kind of pinched me moments

880
00:42:57,239 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 1: of this. This is pretty dang sweet. Oh man, bless

881
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: me on measure. I don't I don't even begin. I

882
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 1: I every morning and night, I, you know, very thankful

883
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 1: in prayer and for all the incredible blessings. And I

884
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: think the best way I could show gratitude is by

885
00:43:14,239 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: pouring every oalance of my heart and soul into this

886
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: These players, these programmed this community, get up and go

887
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: to sleep at hours that I don't even put out

888
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:26,399
Speaker 1: there because you wouldn't believe it. But because of the gratitude. Man,

889
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: I'm just scuping kid from Miami. You know that some

890
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 1: people believe in and always gave me a shot. So

891
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: I worked hard and now this is here, and now

892
00:43:38,040 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: the only thing on my mind is just pouring myself

893
00:43:41,080 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 1: into Our players are coaches who are awesome. This is

894
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: not a one man show or an operation. I know.

895
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: I often get to be in front of the microphone

896
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,879
Speaker 1: and the camera. It ain't about me at all. This

897
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 1: is a total joints galvanized family that just goes and

898
00:43:59,360 --> 00:44:02,120
Speaker 1: so want to make sure I do my part. Coach,

899
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: you have to ask you this as a as a

900
00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: high school head coach, I have to ask you because

901
00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,759
Speaker 1: I believe it's really important to ask those who've walked

902
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: in shoes. So as a head coach, we have a

903
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: bunch of coaches that listen to our podcast. What would

904
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: be one piece of advice that you could give a

905
00:44:14,680 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: head coach who was going through a rough period with

906
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: his team, if his team had lost it, you're trying

907
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: to battle back or anything like that. What would be

908
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: something that you would pass on or share to an

909
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 1: aspiring coach. Oh man, there's a lot of things I

910
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: would share because we've all gone through it, you know.

911
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,840
Speaker 1: I mean, heck I was. I took a job against

912
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: everybody's advice at f I U at a place that

913
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: was oh and twelve. Was told to day after I

914
00:44:40,200 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: took the job. Hey, by the way, you're gonna get probation.

915
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:47,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna lose about thirty scholarships. Seventeen year players are ineligible.

916
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: But here's the good news. You played Florida Alabama. Oh

917
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: and by the way, you don't have a locker room

918
00:44:55,000 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 1: office for four practice fields. So I should have had

919
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: my head examine, and I remember, you know, a very

920
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: tremendous mentor of mine, he said, Look, if you take

921
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,839
Speaker 1: this job the day you get it, if you're gonna

922
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, like you've wont some major award. Man,

923
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: everybody's gonna love you. You're the man. And when the

924
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: season starts, because of the rebuilding job you have to do,

925
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,439
Speaker 1: you're gonna suddenly become the worst coach to ever live.

926
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: You're gonna fall off the face of the earth into

927
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 1: a black hole where man, you're just looking up and

928
00:45:27,120 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: just hoping and praying that it goes by. It's like

929
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 1: you need these painful steps because there are certain painful

930
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 1: steps in the building of a program that you cannot

931
00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: and you should never ever skip never. They're integral. They

932
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,680
Speaker 1: are critical to the development of you as a coach.

933
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,839
Speaker 1: They are critical in the development of the program and

934
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:55,759
Speaker 1: understanding what you cannot do or shouldn't happen with preparation,

935
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 1: or what you have to get better at so that

936
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 1: when the moments and the opportunities, when you're equipped to

937
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: really win them, that you never allow to learn yourself

938
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: that lesson twice, you know, and as sure as his

939
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: son's gonna, you know, set on that side, what side

940
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: of my that's on that side? Those days they will pass.

941
00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 1: If you have the right values and principles, stay to them,

942
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: don't be swayed. Everyone's gonna have a better answer. Everyone's

943
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:25,320
Speaker 1: gonna have I can't tell how many coaches man at

944
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,799
Speaker 1: midfield what I'm there with a team, man, you know,

945
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 1: fifties scholarship bodies, guys. Some guys hadn't even started in

946
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: high school, but they stuck with it. Man, tough dudes.

947
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:37,799
Speaker 1: And I remember Erman Meyer, Man Gino, all those guys

948
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: at the midfield they I know it's rough. Now stay

949
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: the course, man, there's signs there. Stay the course. And

950
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:46,240
Speaker 1: I'd be like, was he really watching the tape because

951
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 1: we will look very good, you know. Yeah, Man, there's

952
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 1: stay the course. Many coach. This has been awesome man.

953
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: You you every time we visit with you, I'm always

954
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: struck by the fact you know who you are, you

955
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,560
Speaker 1: know what you're about. It comes across and we are

956
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,800
Speaker 1: rooting for you guys. Hope you guys finish up strong

957
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:06,439
Speaker 1: here and stay healthy. Man, appreciate you guys. God bless

958
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 1: and go Ducks bucket. It's it's uh, it's a pleasure

959
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: to talk to coach Christo ball Again. I I keep

960
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:14,759
Speaker 1: coming back to the same thing every time we talked

961
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 1: to him. There's some guys you talk to and you're

962
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: like that dude knows who he is, knows what he's about.

963
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 1: And Uh, I think sometimes you can get labeled. He's

964
00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: a tough guy, right, and it's all the toughness. But

965
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: when I listened to that. To me, when you listen

966
00:47:29,080 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: to him talk, it's the hustle that goes along with

967
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,360
Speaker 1: that toughness. It's the work ethic that marries with that toughness.

968
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:37,759
Speaker 1: That's the secret sauce. Look, I think it is the

969
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: secret sauce. And here's what I love about Coach CHRISTA.

970
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: Ball Um, and I feel like he opens up each

971
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 1: and every time we talked to him. I love how

972
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: transparent he is about what he's learned along the way

973
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,440
Speaker 1: and how he's implemented those things with his team at

974
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,200
Speaker 1: his program at Oregon while also allowing Oregon to have

975
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:02,240
Speaker 1: their own identity. UH. A few years ago when we talked,

976
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,800
Speaker 1: he talked about we got to build a team to

977
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 1: beat SEC teams. And one of the things that they

978
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 1: did is they started playing SEC teams so they would

979
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,399
Speaker 1: know exactly where they work. When you look at this team,

980
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,400
Speaker 1: this team plays and SEC SEC style of football that works.

981
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: They run the football, their physical, fast and aggressive on defense.

982
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,319
Speaker 1: UM he has talked about the toughness part of it,

983
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: and for years, the West Coast and the Pact, we

984
00:48:27,200 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: have had UM a stigma about being very soft in

985
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 1: the terms of the way they played and those things.

986
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: And that's soft. And sometimes we show up even though

987
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: when USC was good, USC would go into the SEC.

988
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: And so it's a combination. But I just love what

989
00:48:45,600 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 1: he has done and I love the identity and because

990
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 1: of what he said, I can't imagine him now building

991
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: this program up to leave it to go somewhere else,

992
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: because there's conversation not only about s C, but also

993
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,439
Speaker 1: if Miami, the University of Miami makes a move because

994
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 1: he played, can't take that. He's not going back. No,

995
00:49:04,680 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: Like like he's done all the heavy lifting into hard work,

996
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 1: why start all over. There's that flywheel principle, right or

997
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:13,479
Speaker 1: it takes forever to pull on that wheel and pull

998
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 1: on that wheel and then once it starts spinning, it's

999
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 1: just keeps going. Well, he's got to think spinning, why

1000
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: would you want to go start pulling on the thing again?

1001
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't make any sense. So now I'm with you. I

1002
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 1: think he ends up staying there at Oregon. But it

1003
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: was great to catch up with him. I always appreciate

1004
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: him giving us, uh some of his time. Um, but

1005
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:32,799
Speaker 1: it's been a it's been a fun podcast. We're gonna

1006
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: wrap it up, Buck right after this. Well, Buck, I'm

1007
00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:38,200
Speaker 1: I'm excited. Man, I'm again to be heading out to

1008
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 1: Kansas City. Chargers Chiefs. Should be a fun matchup, um,

1009
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:44,560
Speaker 1: the great rivalry between the two teams. The Chiefs have

1010
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: owned this division for a long time. They look up

1011
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 1: right now, though they're looking up at the Raiders in

1012
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: the Broncos. So both these teams, it feels like a

1013
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:52,759
Speaker 1: pretty important game for them. So I'm looking forward to that.

1014
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:54,800
Speaker 1: On the way out, they're gonna watch the college football

1015
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,680
Speaker 1: on the plane. Uh. Any any games you're particularly looking

1016
00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,880
Speaker 1: forward to this weekend? Oh? Notre Dame was wiconsin. I

1017
00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: can't wait to see that game. I mean, you have

1018
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 1: a quarterback who left Wisconsin to go to Notre Dame.

1019
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be a person I'll expect him to

1020
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: play his best. And then also the one thing that

1021
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: Notre Dame does, it's a little bit of the truth

1022
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: therem when it comes to looking at defensive personnel, because

1023
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: you know what Wisconsin do, They're gonna lie and so

1024
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: we're gonna really find out real quick if you're tough

1025
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: enough to be able to kind of with stand and

1026
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: play in the running game. Even though we just spent

1027
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: thirty or forty minutes talking about the run game and why,

1028
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:32,439
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter if you game right football league. Uh,

1029
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,400
Speaker 1: in college you can beat some teams up. Though at

1030
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 1: college you can beat some teams up with that run game.

1031
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: Um Now, I'm looking forward to a great college football

1032
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:43,759
Speaker 1: weekend NFL wise, again, it's a good slate, looking forward

1033
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 1: to it. Every NFL weekend is great. So, um, I

1034
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: saw somebody putting some pressure on the Indianapolis Colts with

1035
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:52,560
Speaker 1: their expectations potentially staring down at oh and three. We

1036
00:50:52,680 --> 00:50:54,680
Speaker 1: get seventeen games season, Man, we got a long way

1037
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: to go. So anything else you want to add before

1038
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 1: we jump out of here. It's a marathon, not a sprint,

1039
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,959
Speaker 1: and people that remember, seventeen games is a long time

1040
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 1: DJ the only thing that you're shooting for the first

1041
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:05,920
Speaker 1: half of the year, And we talked about how some

1042
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: teams would treat the month of September like the preseason.

1043
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,759
Speaker 1: You just want to be in the race. You don't

1044
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: want to be out of the race. So if you

1045
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: can get to the nine game mark anywhere around five

1046
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: D or better, you're good because the last half of

1047
00:51:21,840 --> 00:51:23,120
Speaker 1: the season is when you really want to turn it

1048
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: on and play you best. All right, Well, on Monday,

1049
00:51:26,200 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: I officially indoctrinent you into the Seattle Cracking fan club. Here.

1050
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:36,719
Speaker 1: It's a sweet lid, right Ricky O hooking us up.

1051
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: All right, that's gonna do it for us. I hope

1052
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,800
Speaker 1: you guys have had fun with us today. Again thanks

1053
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,520
Speaker 1: to Oregon head coach Mario Christobal. Thanks to David Singer,

1054
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,200
Speaker 1: our booker, uh forgetting that done. Singer is the best

1055
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 1: in the business, even if he's a Dodger fan. All Right,

1056
00:51:48,200 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: we'll catch you next time. Right here, on moved the

1057
00:51:49,880 --> 00:52:09,240
Speaker 1: sticks bout had got to want because it appear