Speaker 1: Yeah, I know it's midnight in Porter Ranch, California, and
Speaker 1: you're listening to Night Call. Welcome to Night Call, a
Speaker 1: podcast to keep you company during those strange days in
Speaker 1: lily Nights. My name is Emily Ashida. I am in
Speaker 1: New York and with me on the other end of
Speaker 1: the line in California, as always, we have Molly Lambert
Speaker 1: and joining me Tess Lynch. I don't know why I
Speaker 1: say California sometimes instead of Los Angeles. I feel like
Speaker 1: California is like a state of mind, California, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: California's state of mine. Whoops. Uh. Yeah. We are here
Speaker 1: today in the middle of December, to continue our sort
Speaker 1: of loose I feel like we've been kind of leap
Speaker 1: frogging every other episode and going dipping back into the
Speaker 1: eighties and weird comfort fair that kind of goes hand
Speaker 1: in hand, I think with the holiday season, so not
Speaker 1: necessarily Christmas movies, but movies that make us feel warm
Speaker 1: and weird, just like Christmas warm. And that's another log
Speaker 1: line for our pots. Yeah, and the warm and weird stuff. Well,
Speaker 1: we like to take on the cozy cannon, sure saying
Speaker 1: I realized, like, but we can reinvestigate it. We can,
Speaker 1: we can, we can challenge the cozy canon kind of
Speaker 1: like our criticism, like the former Amy Nicholson podcast The Cannon,
Speaker 1: where they would you know, decide when. Yeah, we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about three totems of the eighties, maybe more,
Speaker 1: maybe less, depending on how what we feel, depending how
Speaker 1: do we feel, Which are ET Goonies? And what was
Speaker 1: the third one? Never ending story? My god, it's almost
Speaker 1: like you didn't watch it, Molly he Emily watched ET
Speaker 1: for the first time, but you have never seen it.
Speaker 1: So Yeah. This is the other unifying theme of this
Speaker 1: of this series is that, like, we keep going hitting
Speaker 1: things that one of us has never seen or experienced.
Speaker 1: I was saying the ultimate night call experience is something
Speaker 1: where one of us loves something, one of us hates it,
Speaker 1: and the other person who's never seen it. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: not hesitant to do this episode, but I think, like
Speaker 1: I think that this kind of movie and this genre
Speaker 1: of movie is one that one I think is like
Speaker 1: wildly over discussed, especially among people of our generation, and
Speaker 1: two like I actually have very limited or selective interest
Speaker 1: in UM, which is why I've never seen ET and
Speaker 1: I didn't see Goody until I was like wenty or
Speaker 1: something like weight lightly by the time it was no
Speaker 1: longer really applicable to me. Um, it's always I know,
Speaker 1: I like, I like goodies. I think it's pretty good.
Speaker 1: But E T I had genuinely. I mean I knew,
Speaker 1: like I've seen scenes of it and stuff, and I've
Speaker 1: I thought I thought I had cd ET and finger quotes,
Speaker 1: but finger weird elongated finger, single finger singer. I mean,
Speaker 1: I understand like not watching something just because you're like
Speaker 1: bros like this. Therefore, I'm not going to watch it
Speaker 1: out of spike, because I do that with many things, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I my Yeah, my line on E T
Speaker 1: is always in my internally has been like e T
Speaker 1: is a movie for nice boys from big houses. Like
Speaker 1: it's just like it's good birds. I just I like that.
Speaker 1: I saw Jaws for the first time a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. I still haven't seen Jaws. That's the one.
Speaker 1: That's the one that makes you understand why people gave
Speaker 1: Spielbury a lot of money to make movies. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: like a fake Hitchcock movie about a shark attack. Look,
Speaker 1: you guys are so cynical. Eats a good movie. I'm
Speaker 1: so cool about all the eighties movies that ruined the
Speaker 1: possibility of ever having stories about real people again. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think ET is a really good movie,
Speaker 1: but I also think that I watched it as a child,
Speaker 1: and if you watch it as a kid, it's a
Speaker 1: really especially back then before it looked like it was
Speaker 1: done with like five dollar sock puppets. It still I
Speaker 1: don't know, no, no, no, et himself come on, well,
Speaker 1: there's no c g I at the time, though it
Speaker 1: was so expensive to make, you know. I mean, what
Speaker 1: these movies have in common, I think is like these
Speaker 1: are all like the Baroque era of practical effects, right
Speaker 1: before c g I comes in to like sweep everything away.
Speaker 1: My favorite Baroque era of practical effects movie is Interviewed
Speaker 1: with the Vampire, because they just like burn all this
Speaker 1: stuff down, you know where You're like, man, a year later,
Speaker 1: that would be a c g I fire, but like
Speaker 1: they're still like, let's build a huge set and burn
Speaker 1: it a movie making. Yeah. I wanted to ask tests though,
Speaker 1: as the person here who likes ET, went, how old
Speaker 1: were you when you first saw it? Super young, like five?
Speaker 1: How How are you not like completely traumatized for life
Speaker 1: because I loved it. What's weird is looking back. So
Speaker 1: like my favorite movies from that from like the Kindergarten
Speaker 1: through second grade era were et Never Ending Story, Labyrinth,
Speaker 1: and Flight of the Navigator. All of them, with the
Speaker 1: exception of Flight of the Navigator, which is like a
Speaker 1: good movie, was a good movie. And now watching it,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't even watch it because I don't
Speaker 1: want it to be destroyed in my mind. But it's
Speaker 1: interesting because like I was supposed to be scared, and
Speaker 1: I was scared, which felt good to be scared by
Speaker 1: a movie Like I was all in for that, So
Speaker 1: it was an enjoyable thing to have nightmares about a
Speaker 1: movie I love. I've never seen Labyrinth, but from what
Speaker 1: my God, Molly, it's like a Phantom of the Opera
Speaker 1: with David Bowie, Oh my God, is pretty much and
Speaker 1: a bunch of creature puppets. It's a very very sexy movie.
Speaker 1: I think I have to say that I am just
Speaker 1: a little afraid of scary puppets. No, you won't be,
Speaker 1: because these are most of the puppets and Labyrinth dark puppets.
Speaker 1: They're like, it's not like the Dark. Crystal's also a
Speaker 1: movie I loved, but Labyrinth, it's mostly kind of like
Speaker 1: merry trickster puppets, like they can be won over. They're
Speaker 1: not all just like evil, right, but just the presence
Speaker 1: of puppets among human beings is really unnerving. It's very
Speaker 1: unnerving to you watch like Sesame Street. I feel like
Speaker 1: Sesame that kind of interaction, and then it does get
Speaker 1: like the harder stuff. Honestly, find me a kids movie
Speaker 1: from the eighties, A puppet. I think they haven't confused
Speaker 1: with the voyage of the Mimi. Yeah, you're right. There
Speaker 1: were so many puppets, and there's a lot of like
Speaker 1: high fantasy, very baroque, big budget. Yeah. And I think
Speaker 1: Goonies it's great. I love Goonies. I don't I think
Speaker 1: my My defense of Goonies has always been like, there's
Speaker 1: two girls of it instead of one, and one of
Speaker 1: them is Martha Plimpton, and she's so good. She's performance
Speaker 1: is so good. But wait, getting back to mad racist,
Speaker 1: we'll get there. We'll get there. And I don't remember
Speaker 1: if et is racist, but just racist by emission. I
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Speaker 1: not seen the movie. I had at least once, maybe twice.
Speaker 1: I can't remember, written the Eat ride at your studios
Speaker 1: R I P. Which no longer exists. You can go
Speaker 1: through the Spaceship landing area, the only animatronics ride in Universal.
Speaker 1: Yeah it was, and it was a real dark ride,
Speaker 1: but like you got to ride a bike and like
Speaker 1: even having not seen Et and not knowing, you know,
Speaker 1: I was still like wow, Like ride in a bike
Speaker 1: on a ride and you've got a little eat in
Speaker 1: your basket and you go to once and it was
Speaker 1: with tests. Our name was Baby Spice probably, yes, that
Speaker 1: was what we said. It was like, hello, Baby Spice. Yes.
Speaker 1: The ride was like a superior version of Peter Pan
Speaker 1: at Disneyland. I really, I think they're at the same level.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think one is bad. I think,
Speaker 1: but this is the same. Like go on podcast the
Speaker 1: ride with these opinions, Yeah, yeah, yeah. They talked a
Speaker 1: lot about how okay, so ET is like from a
Speaker 1: planet like a green, like flowery planet. Maybe it's like
Speaker 1: a planet of flowers. That's why he can make the
Speaker 1: flowers bloom and die, which otherwise doesn't make any sense
Speaker 1: without having seen the planet and the ride, and they're
Speaker 1: right this backstory and there was like his mentor or
Speaker 1: something is on the planet. In the ride and then
Speaker 1: the podcast, right, guys were saying that, like they saw
Speaker 1: the like husk of that animatronic like left out to
Speaker 1: rust in a field. They're all super sad about it.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happens to himself. They also they also
Speaker 1: made a shirt commemorating it. I forget what the mentor's
Speaker 1: name is, but it's all about how he's like the
Speaker 1: dank guru. Um So, yeah, I learned a lot about
Speaker 1: the Et mythology recently, none of which matters in the movie,
Speaker 1: I guess. I I feel like this movie is both
Speaker 1: weirder and more boring than I had thought it was
Speaker 1: going to be, because it does really get extremely dark,
Speaker 1: and there are parts of it where I'm like, this
Speaker 1: is such a beloved movie and everybody I feel like
Speaker 1: on on this planet has seen it except for me.
Speaker 1: How come I have never seen certain images of it
Speaker 1: that I feel like should be memes at this point.
Speaker 1: This is what I tweeted about. I was crying laughing
Speaker 1: when when Et is found when he gets sick and
Speaker 1: he's found facedown in the cutter. Oh yeah, I have
Speaker 1: actually being like touched. It wasn't a raccoon bothering him
Speaker 1: on him. I was dying and I was like, I
Speaker 1: think because it was so upsetting, And I was like,
Speaker 1: if I was a child and I had seen this,
Speaker 1: this would be a formative image in my mind, Like
Speaker 1: I would not be able to sleep thinking about et
Speaker 1: with the raccoon in the cutter. The thing that's the
Speaker 1: most fucked up I think when you're a kid watching
Speaker 1: this movie is when he's dissecting the frogs. Oh yeah, right,
Speaker 1: So I like the scarer like, oh no, what will happen, Like,
Speaker 1: no matter what happened, something terrible will happen. My gen
Speaker 1: X husband, I was like, is this was this a
Speaker 1: thing that happened? Did you have to kill the frog
Speaker 1: by chloroforming it? And he said no, So I feel
Speaker 1: like that was just made up thing. I mean they
Speaker 1: just came toad become pre evolved. Yeah, they were traditionally.
Speaker 1: I don't think you ever have to chloroform um. The
Speaker 1: scene where he and you realize that he's linked to eat,
Speaker 1: which also doesn't make any sense at all. I don't
Speaker 1: understand why, both on a psychological level and why on
Speaker 1: a narrative level, Like how it happens that so So
Speaker 1: this is the thing about Spielberg movies is that the
Speaker 1: way that people talk about them is being in speaking
Speaker 1: in this like broadly accessible language of pop culture that
Speaker 1: like every every American innately understands. I just am not
Speaker 1: on the wavelength. My brain just stops it, like wait,
Speaker 1: why are they linked? Like why? Like I didn't see
Speaker 1: you're not a red blooded all American boomer. If if
Speaker 1: ET was like a giant robot and he had to
Speaker 1: climb into I would understand by for the iron giant
Speaker 1: is off putting to me about Et is not like
Speaker 1: anything about the idea of like a boy making a friend.
Speaker 1: That's a weird thing. It's just specifically the weird thing
Speaker 1: they made is so weird. It's like a bag of
Speaker 1: ball look like a mashed up bag nuts. But it's
Speaker 1: also like the color pellette. They chose the fact that
Speaker 1: he's like tann like what your kids want to hang
Speaker 1: out with, a giant raisin, Like it's it's too close
Speaker 1: to like human flesh tones. If it were like green,
Speaker 1: it's uncanny valley to you. Yes, if it were green
Speaker 1: or blue, if it were like a traditional alien color,
Speaker 1: it would be less creepy to me. But the fact
Speaker 1: that it's just like it looks like job of the hut.
Speaker 1: It's just like an orb of like pulsating. His face
Speaker 1: was inspired by Einstein and Hemingway. The actors too. The
Speaker 1: head was like the neck and the head were above
Speaker 1: the actors, and then the actors were two little people.
Speaker 1: And then also a twelve year old boy was born
Speaker 1: without legs. Interestingly, and they saw through ets chest. Also
Speaker 1: this I went down like a deep hole. But now
Speaker 1: I know, I'm like there are people who have gone
Speaker 1: even deeper. I'm sure, yeah, exactly. Um. The voice of
Speaker 1: Et was this woman who smoked two packs a day,
Speaker 1: and she she did nine hours of work and she
Speaker 1: was paid only three hundred and eighty dollars. So upsetting. No,
Speaker 1: it's in the Wikipedia union and and they also recorded
Speaker 1: sixteen other people people in animals, including um raccoons, otters, horses,
Speaker 1: Deborah Winger. I I kept reading the Wikipedia being like
Speaker 1: what what there's so many woods that makes it sound
Speaker 1: like it's such a low budget production, though they had
Speaker 1: so much money. It was supposed to be his like
Speaker 1: low Budge. He was like, I want to make a
Speaker 1: small movie, like an intimate movie based on like my
Speaker 1: experience growing up as a kid not experienced this was
Speaker 1: like it's a project he'd been wanting to work on
Speaker 1: for a really long time, and then I guess like
Speaker 1: he drew on like several different stalled projects to you
Speaker 1: were telling me about that a little bit listeners. So
Speaker 1: I also learned about this that there's a conspiracy out there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if this is what Test is referring
Speaker 1: to that um the guy who directed the Pather Ben Charlie,
Speaker 1: the APU trilogy and I have announced his first name,
Speaker 1: but Ray, yeah, he there's this conspiracy that this was
Speaker 1: his film and that and that Spielberg stole it from him.
Speaker 1: That's what he claimed. But then he didn't. He also
Speaker 1: not sue because he was like Spielberg is a great
Speaker 1: director and it's a good movie. It's just that he
Speaker 1: stole it from me, which if so, like I would
Speaker 1: watch his version like a hundred times. Where wanted to
Speaker 1: make and he made a movie called Ali. I think
Speaker 1: he wrote a treatment for maybe you didn't make it,
Speaker 1: but it's about and the description is like the same.
Speaker 1: But then like Spielberg fired back and he was like no,
Speaker 1: like he was like very impacted by his parents divorce
Speaker 1: and this is like whatever. He had this project called
Speaker 1: night Skies and it ended up being installed project, but
Speaker 1: he took a lot of the material and used it
Speaker 1: for e T and also for Poultergeist I guess, which
Speaker 1: Molly brought up at the end of our last episode.
Speaker 1: And it's also a movie that I love that you've
Speaker 1: never seen, Molly, have you? Right? Yeah? Um? It is
Speaker 1: interesting though, right because like et kind of kicks it up.
Speaker 1: It's such a like weird beginning of the movie that
Speaker 1: the mom has this like really intense reaction to the
Speaker 1: dad being with the Mexico woman but he hates Mexico,
Speaker 1: and then it's just like drys I think it works.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, so the one thing in this
Speaker 1: movie that I don't think was wildly oversold to me
Speaker 1: about it was Drew Barrymore, who is incredible sheardy or
Speaker 1: gird or whatever. So she reminds me of most of
Speaker 1: Tutti and Meet Me in St. Louis like that kind
Speaker 1: of child star where you're just like, it's not even
Speaker 1: like that creepy thing of like like a hyper talented
Speaker 1: like semi adult child. Sorry, You're just like you're so
Speaker 1: good at being a kid on camera. It's insane. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the guy too. What's his name, Henry Thomas. The
Speaker 1: guy plays Elliot's amazing. I have to disagree here. I
Speaker 1: am Elliott. I found Elliott to be such a lame protagonist.
Speaker 1: I could not get into Elliott. Yeah, I'm sorry. He
Speaker 1: seemed like such a wet blanket. I thought it was
Speaker 1: really creepy when he was drunk in the classroom. I
Speaker 1: wait for my hot take on the guy who played
Speaker 1: a tray you later when we talk about never ending story.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I mean, I I think that scene, but
Speaker 1: that's like the frog scene. That's where he like gets
Speaker 1: drunk because he's linked to Et who's getting drunk on
Speaker 1: beer at home. Again, all this stuff would never exist
Speaker 1: in a movie like this now, which is like one
Speaker 1: of the things like kind of like about it, but
Speaker 1: so none of it works for me actually at all.
Speaker 1: But I like the sense that it is kind of
Speaker 1: and I think that this is like a uniting theme
Speaker 1: with all these movies, Like they're like more funky than
Speaker 1: any kind of family movie can be. Now. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: have many weird edges, which makes them like not necessarily likable,
Speaker 1: but definitely like interesting. It seems like a relic from
Speaker 1: a place that we all were, because sometimes some of
Speaker 1: the relic nous of it has to do with like
Speaker 1: how racist eighties movies are, where you're just like, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: this was in a movie that that kind of stuff
Speaker 1: is different, though, I'm talking about just like the way
Speaker 1: that it looks and feels and like the things that
Speaker 1: they allowed to escape past the field. Honestly, I'm talking
Speaker 1: about like the kids breath kids, the keenis breath smoking,
Speaker 1: just like these like latch key kids who are just
Speaker 1: allowed to like bike around and like do whatever and
Speaker 1: they're super thing. Maybe we're just so tired of that
Speaker 1: from all the iterations of it so that it's harder
Speaker 1: to put it on e T. Yeah, it's really hard
Speaker 1: to watch this now, having seen like at least just
Speaker 1: the first season of The Stranger Things and a zillion
Speaker 1: other things that riff on this sort of thing that
Speaker 1: just made us all like collectively side because we were like,
Speaker 1: what if there were like a bunch of Drew Barrymore's
Speaker 1: riding bikes and like still like one little special white
Speaker 1: kid who's got special dreams. Well, and it's like it's
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, I I kind of knew
Speaker 1: this already, but like Stranger Things, it's it's like a
Speaker 1: large part of the plot is just ET, but like
Speaker 1: with a girl instead of as Stephen King. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: Weirdo comes to town. Some of these things are just
Speaker 1: like but they like they have like quirky foods that
Speaker 1: they have to feed her and stuff. It's just like
Speaker 1: it's so rough. I I hate Stranger I've never seen
Speaker 1: Close Encounters. Close Encounters is pretty good. I think, well,
Speaker 1: what how about how about a final defensive et from Tests? Okay,
Speaker 1: So I just want to say, like, so I rewatched DT.
Speaker 1: I also watched d T two two years ago. I
Speaker 1: tried to watch about six months ago with my kids
Speaker 1: because I was like, their older, right, the spoilers not
Speaker 1: start screaming uncontrollably when Eat came on screen because it's
Speaker 1: a nightmare. They just like it was even before that.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, the ship starts glowing and
Speaker 1: they're just like, no, really, but you said they got
Speaker 1: through Peee's Big Adventure. They got through my mind so much,
Speaker 1: scary Molly. They got through Jurassic Park when they were like,
Speaker 1: it's fun like a Marvel movie at that point, like
Speaker 1: the film language is this close enough now wow that
Speaker 1: I think there's almost like a joyous atmosphere and Jurassic
Speaker 1: Park that you forget until you like rewatching, and then
Speaker 1: you're like it's just like a party at a theme
Speaker 1: park and it's you get swept away in it. You
Speaker 1: almost don't notice when things go wrong. I guess if
Speaker 1: you're like six years old. No, it's a great it's
Speaker 1: a fun movie, Jurassic Park. I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: when E T. I think E T I am reminded.
Speaker 1: I think that's one of the great things about having
Speaker 1: kids is that I would be like cynical and more
Speaker 1: inclined to kind of not in not let myself enjoy
Speaker 1: a movie like ET. But when I watch it, there's
Speaker 1: this thing of like, you know, when you see your
Speaker 1: kids going through the same like stages of childhood that
Speaker 1: you went through, and when you watch a movie like ET,
Speaker 1: which is essentially a kind of like you know, visual
Speaker 1: representation of developing empathy, it's it's like it's you know,
Speaker 1: it's kind of a powerful thing. Sound like embarrassed, but
Speaker 1: it is. I mean it's like that. Do you think
Speaker 1: like the empathy aspect of it. We'll see when I
Speaker 1: can make them sit through that death. No, it's too early.
Speaker 1: I mean my kids at the time it was. I
Speaker 1: think it was when my oldest was five and my
Speaker 1: youngest was like two. Did they join you to watch Tully?
Speaker 1: I can't even talk about Tully. Tully is the Locust
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Speaker 1: There are certain things about E. T. I also just
Speaker 1: think it's like a beautiful movie, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: ET is like hideously ugly. I love the like Vista
Speaker 1: of the Valley is like people who love it, or
Speaker 1: like it's about learning to care for something that like
Speaker 1: may not be beautiful, but it's like, you know special. Well,
Speaker 1: it's also like, you know, it's a very isolated kid,
Speaker 1: and like it you know, brings his family together when
Speaker 1: you can learn empathy for the ugly. I think they
Speaker 1: were just a cutie, like Gizmo from Gremlins. If it
Speaker 1: were Mac and Me too. Oh, we got Mack and Me.
Speaker 1: Have you ever seen Mac and Me, Emily? No, No,
Speaker 1: it's the ET clone that I have seen parts of
Speaker 1: before and like it starts a really good child actor
Speaker 1: in a wheelchair and does this someone you said was
Speaker 1: like a tie in with McDonald. Yeah, then I just
Speaker 1: found out it was all sponsored by McDonald. It's like
Speaker 1: they took the idea of the Reese's Pieces and ET,
Speaker 1: which is like the first one of the first big
Speaker 1: product placement. Well because m and M's were like, no
Speaker 1: way that animal that Dalien's like way too scary looking.
Speaker 1: You can't sell him that good on them Pieces did
Speaker 1: so well? Go to that movie is the Mac and
Speaker 1: Me has the creature the Mac Tonight head another terrifying
Speaker 1: one of the scariest things. Did you know that it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be a joke about Mac the Knife who's
Speaker 1: a serial killer? Really? Yeah, that's the joke is Mac
Speaker 1: Tonight and he sings Mac the Knife, but about McDonald's. Also,
Speaker 1: the alt right has claimed Mac Tonight and good they
Speaker 1: can have it. That's scary. The left has taken Gritty
Speaker 1: and I'm fine with that, because we should have him.
Speaker 1: They can have Grimes and Mac tonight. This is all
Speaker 1: way too much of the veil between like the real
Speaker 1: and the Internet getting way too thin. You know what,
Speaker 1: if Gritty were m et, I'd be so happy. So
Speaker 1: I found Gritty and a ship and had to like
Speaker 1: brush him and like brush out his furn and we
Speaker 1: should get right to that. The Gritty feature filming Gretty
Speaker 1: moving onto g Goonies is the Richard Donner movie. That's
Speaker 1: a better Spielberg movies and the Spielberg movies. Wow, and
Speaker 1: We're done. That's it. That's what I got. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like it's the same kind of like lash Key
Speaker 1: kids hanging out right, but a couple of them are girls.
Speaker 1: It's a real organ movie. It's real wet organs, just
Speaker 1: like Phantom of the Opera Core you like things where
Speaker 1: things happen o Oregon, Oregon, it's as an organ. It's
Speaker 1: a foresty, wet movie, which is why I like it
Speaker 1: because that's what my childhood looked like. It felt very
Speaker 1: dark and rainy all the time, and I didn't visit
Speaker 1: any caves, but I would have liked to. I could
Speaker 1: listen to the soundtrack to that one song from Gooneys.
Speaker 1: I could listen to it every days are good enough that, well,
Speaker 1: that song is fantastic, but the one I was like,
Speaker 1: do do the is it? John Willias? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: Goonies has its problems, but that's one of those things
Speaker 1: that people are super into that for some reason doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me, and I feel like Sloth. The character of
Speaker 1: Sloth is sort of like a better et to me,
Speaker 1: where it's like the monster that turns out to be
Speaker 1: like lovable you know, right, Um, well, what's the big
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the specifically the now problematic aspect
Speaker 1: of Goonies is because it's actually been a second since
Speaker 1: I've seen it. Oh, there is an Asian American kid
Speaker 1: data data Data. It's just real eighties, that thing where
Speaker 1: they're like, look inclusionive but he's like a human calculator. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I still haven't seen sixting candles for this reason. I
Speaker 1: just can't. Well, it's interest is much more offensive. Well,
Speaker 1: they're both offensive, but they're offensive, but you're also like
Speaker 1: they're interesting to watch from the point of view of
Speaker 1: like thinking about Getty watching Abi's career and being like,
Speaker 1: you know, he has I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 1: he's talked about it and been like, yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: sucked up. Well you can't deny that it's sucked up.
Speaker 1: Oh no, it's all sucked up. But it's weird to
Speaker 1: even think about, like watching those movies in the eighties
Speaker 1: that people didn't think it was sucked up, right, this
Speaker 1: was like so normalized, and especially some of that stuff,
Speaker 1: the like fear of Asians in the eighties because they
Speaker 1: were going to take over the right like every big
Speaker 1: eighties movie, like so many eighties movies have that undercurrent,
Speaker 1: like Blade Runner obviously, but as a movie, it's just
Speaker 1: like it's like an adventure movie, an adventure team movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I enjoy it because I just want to go in
Speaker 1: a cave mainly, and it's like it feels dangerous, like
Speaker 1: e T does. Like never any story does, I think
Speaker 1: to a sir extent, but like it does feel like
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. It feels like the ultimate
Speaker 1: like realized fantasy of running away when you're a kid,
Speaker 1: Like yeah, running away with a group of kids that
Speaker 1: are all like escaping fun up situation together. Also really
Speaker 1: amazing how much kind of ambient suspense you can add
Speaker 1: to a movie by giving a kid an inhaler and
Speaker 1: then you can just suspense any time you want. So
Speaker 1: many Inhaler kids in movies of this era, we're at
Speaker 1: the EpiPen kid. Yeah. Yeah, it's sort of like if
Speaker 1: you took an Indiana Jones movie and just condensed it
Speaker 1: down to like trying to get into a mountain for
Speaker 1: most of the movie. Right, it's a it's a good
Speaker 1: kids movie. Yeah, I haven't seen it. I didn't see
Speaker 1: it until I was like in college. You know what
Speaker 1: the better movie is that I always talked about. My
Speaker 1: friend Sarah Johnson is also obsessed with this movie. It's
Speaker 1: called gold Diggers The Legend of Bare Mountain. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel like I've talked to It's like a fake fake goonies,
Speaker 1: but it's Christina Ricci and fake Anna Paquin and they're
Speaker 1: just like two girls who like find some gold in
Speaker 1: a mountain together. That should have been the future of
Speaker 1: movies right there. That should have been two girls on
Speaker 1: a you know, paddling in a canoe through a cave.
Speaker 1: What was bad about this movie that it's not more
Speaker 1: well known that goonies Like I was justaingp off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean are there any like kids on an adventure movie?
Speaker 1: I guess that's stranger Things, Yeah, but the kids aren't
Speaker 1: on an adventure and stranger things are like in their town.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know if any. They're very few movies
Speaker 1: now where kids are genuinely like out in the wild,
Speaker 1: like away from their parents, and their parents are right,
Speaker 1: it's like the most anxiety and the kids have to
Speaker 1: be away from the parents. That's why I always talk
Speaker 1: about the Ewok movie. I love the Ewok movies because
Speaker 1: like the first one just starts with like their parents
Speaker 1: just die and they're like stranded on the planet. The
Speaker 1: Ewak movies are so scary sah. It was so dark.
Speaker 1: But it also like there's that thing when you see
Speaker 1: something dark when you're a kid, and you're like, this
Speaker 1: feels like it acknowledges something I'm not supposed to know
Speaker 1: about that every good kids thing hasn't it. And that's
Speaker 1: why the never ending story Yeah, nice, this is the
Speaker 1: thing about never ending story else So that I noticed
Speaker 1: this time because I don't think I've seen this movie
Speaker 1: since I was eight or something, and I watched it
Speaker 1: many many times when I was very very young, like
Speaker 1: like barely even probably knew what I was watching. But
Speaker 1: in this movie, so it does the thing where the
Speaker 1: main character is unsupervised and on his own for a
Speaker 1: while Bastion when he's reading, Yeah, in school, but he's
Speaker 1: but he's in the he's like locked in every like
Speaker 1: all night and stuff. He's not, he's he's in like
Speaker 1: an attict. But so I was thinking about this because
Speaker 1: like I feel like I've seen several kids movies recently
Speaker 1: where you you go into another world or something, but
Speaker 1: then there's some explanation for why your parents or whoever
Speaker 1: your guardians are won't be looking for you because like
Speaker 1: time works definitely here or whatever. Um, And that is
Speaker 1: not the case in Never Ending story, Like he's just
Speaker 1: not at school and we never hear like if his
Speaker 1: dad went looking for him because he's apparently there like
Speaker 1: all night also a school and I know, like terrible,
Speaker 1: Yeah that is so bad. He's like, get over it.
Speaker 1: But for me, as a kid, like that kind of
Speaker 1: thing of like their parents are worried about them because
Speaker 1: I was such like a giddy two She's like, I
Speaker 1: feel like they would always wait heavily on me. I
Speaker 1: would always be so aware of the fact that like
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna be lucky for you, like, oh God, I've
Speaker 1: gotta go back home like um and and that is
Speaker 1: not the case. There are many eighties movies I feel
Speaker 1: like about sort of delinquent parents that are about like yeah,
Speaker 1: like parents sometimes just don't care, Like night Are on
Speaker 1: elm Street. Movies are all about like the parents are
Speaker 1: so absorbed in their own stuff they don't even realize,
Speaker 1: like how fucked up the teens are, like they don't
Speaker 1: believe them that none of them can sleep because Freddie
Speaker 1: is trying to get yeah uh never Aenning story was
Speaker 1: also sort of like yeah, the kid that nobody cares about,
Speaker 1: so read all night. It was very interesting to watch
Speaker 1: these back to back for me eat and never any story,
Speaker 1: like when a movie that I had never seen and
Speaker 1: always felt like alien to me or like not just
Speaker 1: like interesting words, but like it just felt like of
Speaker 1: a different tradition that I wasn't like tapped into or
Speaker 1: interested in. And then never any story, which just felt
Speaker 1: like it was like my movie for a very long time,
Speaker 1: and I like write stories about it and stuff when
Speaker 1: I was a kid. Um and it's such a it's
Speaker 1: such an only child movie. It's like insanely so, and
Speaker 1: that it was very evident to be this time because
Speaker 1: it's about making an inner world. Yes, yeah, well, and
Speaker 1: he gets thrown in the inner world. It's just so much.
Speaker 1: He has all this to have a friend to hang
Speaker 1: out with all the time. Well, that's the thing he has.
Speaker 1: All of this time, he's like so lonely and nobody's experienced.
Speaker 1: Like he's lost his mother. Nobody shares that experience. His
Speaker 1: dad's a dick, nobody shares that experience. He's so alienated
Speaker 1: his health in the world of books. Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: finds like the scariest book with the ROBBERI what what
Speaker 1: what kid doesn't love a good robbery. Yeah, this movie
Speaker 1: is amazing. I think it held up. Yes, he did not.
Speaker 1: It was one of my maorite movies and I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: this is a really Jankee movie or oh my god.
Speaker 1: So at the time. Fun fact, when this was made,
Speaker 1: it was a It was a West German coproduction. It
Speaker 1: was the most expensive German movie to ever be made.
Speaker 1: Uh it was, and it was directed by Wolfgang Peterson
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Speaker 1: and smart. I think the for like as a kid movie.
Speaker 1: I think it's like in reduces some very big concepts
Speaker 1: to children that in just in just enough of a
Speaker 1: way to make them challenging, but without being daunting at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like all the kind of challenges are very introspective and
Speaker 1: about like your own self image and your estimation of yourself.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like Miss the movie. It is it
Speaker 1: is It totally is. I mean there's a reason that
Speaker 1: I like, it's like a series of ambient environmental challenges
Speaker 1: that are terrifying. Actually, do you know where that's because
Speaker 1: it's like a nightmare. It's like a nightmare where you
Speaker 1: have a task and then you do the task and
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Yeah, and when you do complete the task,
Speaker 1: your reward is just to hang out in the world
Speaker 1: for as long as you want, which is of course
Speaker 1: the ultimate prize. Um. I don't know about spoiling the
Speaker 1: Like what I think is like the really great moment
Speaker 1: in this movie that is at the end in case
Speaker 1: people haven't seen it or something, because I think it's
Speaker 1: genuinely good, Like I think, I think it's fine to spoil. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean like it's like a completely generation different generation
Speaker 1: of kids movies. Is the spoiler that it ends? No, Uh,
Speaker 1: the spoiler is the part where she's explaining to a
Speaker 1: tray or the childlike Emburst is explaining to a tray.
Speaker 1: You that there is the kid who's reading the book,
Speaker 1: which is bashion, but then he's a part of the
Speaker 1: never ending story and while he's been reading the book,
Speaker 1: there are all these other people that have been watching
Speaker 1: him read the book. And then you realize she's talking
Speaker 1: about you. And it's such a like moment when you're
Speaker 1: a child. Um, and it gave me to the movie.
Speaker 1: It's like it's definitely it's like Dune for kids. Totally, totally, totally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like a Dune primer. It's a missed primer. And
Speaker 1: I was thinking that there's something very alt about it too,
Speaker 1: like not all like now I feel like all this
Speaker 1: only used as a pretorative but like you know, like
Speaker 1: it feels like the all too like the Spielberg movies
Speaker 1: or that stuff, because it is so it's so hero
Speaker 1: it's so and I was saying it at one point
Speaker 1: and found out that the the author's father was like
Speaker 1: a German Expressionist surrealist painter whose work was then like
Speaker 1: censored in Nazi Germany and I think destroyed here, like
Speaker 1: you know, filed us degenerate art um and I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't forget if they were Jews, but they you know,
Speaker 1: it was like comes out of German Expressionism, and that
Speaker 1: made it make so much sense to me because I
Speaker 1: was like, it feels very German Expressionist. But the guy
Speaker 1: who wrote the book hated the movie, so yeah, he
Speaker 1: bashed King and the Shining Michael Andy, I think, or yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wanted his name taken off of it. He particularly
Speaker 1: was like just so grossed out by the Sphinxes, which
Speaker 1: is like a very I was like, that's a pretty
Speaker 1: sick part of the Sphinxes, who shoot lasers out of
Speaker 1: their breast. But Andy called the movie a gigantic melodrama
Speaker 1: of kitch, commerce, plush and plastic. Oh that kitch is
Speaker 1: the worst thing in Germany. Yeah, and he said that
Speaker 1: the sphinxes are full full bosoms strippers who sit there
Speaker 1: in the desk. My god, the biggest embarrassment of the film.
Speaker 1: That whole movie is full of just images that stay
Speaker 1: in your brain forever. You guys have to read the
Speaker 1: I think it's common sense media where like kids basically
Speaker 1: right reviews of movies telling you if it's okay to
Speaker 1: show your kids and you should see what like the
Speaker 1: recent reviews of Never Ending Story are because all of
Speaker 1: these kids are like, they're like, I just came to
Speaker 1: say that I'm so upset. My parents said this movie
Speaker 1: is so good and like just the thing that happened
Speaker 1: with our attack up and I'm never going to get over.
Speaker 1: It's like Bambi level of exposing children to the realities.
Speaker 1: So it's such a long scene and apparently the horse
Speaker 1: was like I do not want to do this thing,
Speaker 1: and then there was an urban legend the horse dies.
Speaker 1: It's the thing you remember about the movie, is that
Speaker 1: a horse. There's many things to remember also, that is
Speaker 1: the thing that you remember that. But I had to
Speaker 1: take a break after watching that because it was both
Speaker 1: like this thing I had been buried in my memory
Speaker 1: and like reliving it and it was just so awful. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's like to bring to bring it back to
Speaker 1: us being old millennials. It's also like the idea of
Speaker 1: watching a movie like this and then like you couldn't
Speaker 1: just immediately like watch it again, you know, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had to just think about it and try to
Speaker 1: remember if you scare yourself trying to remember it, and
Speaker 1: then like eventually you could rent it at a video store.
Speaker 1: But just that your access to these things was like limited,
Speaker 1: so like something you could see something once and it
Speaker 1: would like stay with you in this intense way that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even be able to remember what it was
Speaker 1: maybe after a certain point. And that's all this movie is.
Speaker 1: I just think it's interesting, like thinking back in my
Speaker 1: lifetime of watching movies like this was so so so
Speaker 1: early in it, and I think like the idea of
Speaker 1: the nothing as an end is such an advanced place
Speaker 1: to start, like as far as thinking about like forces
Speaker 1: of evil or bad or just antagonists in general, and
Speaker 1: in movies like it's such a just existential idea. Um.
Speaker 1: And there's the part at the beginning where the little
Speaker 1: guy on the snail and the bat Flying Guy, which
Speaker 1: is just like, so it's so adorable. I love all
Speaker 1: the design and stuff in this. But they're like talking
Speaker 1: about how like, oh, there used to be a lake
Speaker 1: in my village, um, and now it's not there anymore.
Speaker 1: And they're like, what it was a dried up lake. No,
Speaker 1: a dried up lake would be something. There's just nothing.
Speaker 1: It's just like this very kind of like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: introduction to philosophy type thing for for children. It definitely
Speaker 1: probably put me in whatever ruminative mindset would be as
Speaker 1: a four year old when I watched it, and I
Speaker 1: probably are I feel like find the moment I found
Speaker 1: out it came out of like Nazi Germany, I was right,
Speaker 1: like somebody who would flat Nazi Germany, I was like,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeah, that that checks out. Honestly, it made
Speaker 1: me want to go back. And I've never read the book,
Speaker 1: and it made me want to read. Yeah, I want
Speaker 1: to read the only it only covers the first half
Speaker 1: I called, which, by the way, someone suggested on the
Speaker 1: Facebook group that we we consider seriously starting so just
Speaker 1: to tie E T and the never ending story together.
Speaker 1: So um. Spielberg like helped edit the US version of
Speaker 1: the never ending story apparently, and so he has the
Speaker 1: or in you know, oh yeah I heard about this,
Speaker 1: Yeah he has, but also apparently, like I didn't notice
Speaker 1: this was like an Easter egg, but I guess it's
Speaker 1: pretty well known, but not to me. So I'm gonna
Speaker 1: say it anyway. Um, in the Ivory Tower scene when
Speaker 1: the Phantasians are all around there, if you look at this,
Speaker 1: if you like, pause it and look, there's Yoda, Mickey Mouse, Chewbacca,
Speaker 1: C three p O, the e Walks, E T, and
Speaker 1: Gumby only last for a split second. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: they say. I find that hard to I mean, I
Speaker 1: was really checking out that crowd because it's so fun.
Speaker 1: There's so many good like little designs like the giant
Speaker 1: head people and stuff, and I was really like of
Speaker 1: investigating them. But I didn't notice that at all. That's wilds.
Speaker 1: I looked. I was like, this is this a tricky
Speaker 1: thing where they're going to say, like too, like why
Speaker 1: don't you put this on a podcast? But I think
Speaker 1: it's true. We're all gonna have to do the jfk
Speaker 1: Z man exactly. Um. I also just one last note
Speaker 1: about um never name story is that I do think
Speaker 1: that This is the the lens through which all gen
Speaker 1: xers and old millennials think about climate change, including having
Speaker 1: a giant, old, ancient turtle who's allergic to youth, who
Speaker 1: does not care about climate I love that turtle. What's
Speaker 1: his name, Morla or something. Yeah, but he is Mitch
Speaker 1: McConnell like, oh, but he's cool. You know, he's a turtle.
Speaker 1: I also love the rock fighter guy, and that's so
Speaker 1: sad when he gets and when he goes away and
Speaker 1: he says, this movie has great scary strong hands. Strong hands.
Speaker 1: They looked like strong hand. Oh my god. And I'll
Speaker 1: watch Labyrinth and we can do a Labyrinth. We will
Speaker 1: bring Leslie back for the Labyrinth. I like how you're
Speaker 1: really leaning into that syllable in the middle. There isn't it.
Speaker 1: Can we just say Labyrinth? There is a Labyrinth through Labyrinth, Labyrinth, Labyrinth.
Speaker 1: There's a big Labyrinth themed cosplay ball in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: every year. Oh, let's go. I had an uber driver
Speaker 1: who told me about it because she does it every year.
Speaker 1: It is. It is like the horniest movie. It's so
Speaker 1: uncomfortable because you're just like, this is just a very
Speaker 1: like it's very just David Bowie. Yeah, but it's like okay,
Speaker 1: but also, aren't children's movies of the eighties full of
Speaker 1: like horny and drogynous man like Curry and David Bowie
Speaker 1: that are just like, yeah, give you weird feeling. Well,
Speaker 1: Labyrinth doesn't even try to like hide it really like
Speaker 1: because she's like gonna marry. It's also like Beetle Juice too,
Speaker 1: if you if you're into Beetle Juice. Was never I
Speaker 1: was always like, get away from Lady. Well, this has
Speaker 1: been a good a good trip through memory Lane on
Speaker 1: night call a good a good cozy cannon on that
Speaker 1: Weird Dragon, Falcore, Falcore, The Luck Dragon. I'm so obsessed
Speaker 1: with this movie again the se no yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: because I was. I was thinking, and I was like,
Speaker 1: why was I into it? Because it was old when
Speaker 1: I saw it, because the second one had come out,
Speaker 1: So I went back and saw that. Emily, have you
Speaker 1: seen the t Wait, that's the HBO one from two
Speaker 1: thousand two, that one, but then there's Tales from the
Speaker 1: Never Ending Story is the like it was one season
Speaker 1: of a TV show that then went mini series on
Speaker 1: HBO also really quick, So isn't it really crazy that
Speaker 1: in the German version of this movie. They don't have
Speaker 1: the never ending story tune by Limb Hall or whatever.
Speaker 1: It's all orchestral, so they don't have the marauder thing
Speaker 1: in the in the movie. In the German thought has
Speaker 1: like them all. It's really weird. It's like the most
Speaker 1: German song, but it is not yet will be. So
Speaker 1: we had a really exciting nightcall moment. Um. I think
Speaker 1: we were all like, really emotionally invested in this kind
Speaker 1: of thread that has run through our podcast for the
Speaker 1: past couple of months in ways that we didn't realize.
Speaker 1: But we got a final update. I know I said
Speaker 1: last final update was the final update, but this is
Speaker 1: really the final update from the woodworker who made the
Speaker 1: murder board. So Um. The Woodworker contacted the Traveling Museum
Speaker 1: of the Paranormal and Occult, which was a suggestion that
Speaker 1: one of our listeners called in and said, maybe that's
Speaker 1: the best place for the murder board. Uh, he says.
Speaker 1: I didn't have much hope that they would be interested,
Speaker 1: but I sent an email to the curator, Greg Knwker.
Speaker 1: To my great surprise, he got back to me within
Speaker 1: a day and was very interested. He's listened to the
Speaker 1: podcast and knows the history of the murder board. He
Speaker 1: immediately requested more background information and pictures, but made it
Speaker 1: clear they would like to have it. He was very
Speaker 1: informative and helpful. Long story short, the board was mailed
Speaker 1: out today and they will begin whatever study they do
Speaker 1: on such things when it arrives. A couple of days later,
Speaker 1: there was a tweet from the Paranormal Museum. This this
Speaker 1: just like made our day. So we got a tweet,
Speaker 1: uh from at the Para Museum the Paranormal Museum's Twitter account.
Speaker 1: They said, Hey, night call pod. We received a package
Speaker 1: at the museum p O box this afternoon. Take one
Speaker 1: guess what was inside. And then a little picture of
Speaker 1: the note that the woodworker attached to it that says,
Speaker 1: as discussed, please find and closed the murder board. As
Speaker 1: much as I almost don't want to know, Please keep
Speaker 1: me updated with what, if anything, you find and what
Speaker 1: the future holds for the piece. I wish you the
Speaker 1: best of luck, safety, and repeat my thanks for your
Speaker 1: help in this matter. Yeah, all's well, that end a swell.
Speaker 1: It's a really beautiful story. It's it's the best ending
Speaker 1: to this story. Like we were, we were saying, what
Speaker 1: we thought should happened, and it very organically it came
Speaker 1: to the best conclusion. I also want to thank Bizarre
Speaker 1: States podcast that I went on this year for introducing
Speaker 1: me to the Traveling Paranormal Museum. Yes. Um, yes, it
Speaker 1: feels nice that we're all in this weird, little cozy
Speaker 1: cult together. Yeah. So thank you to the caller that suggested, uh,
Speaker 1: sending it, sending the order board to the museum. Thank
Speaker 1: you to the museum. Thank you to our wood worker.
Speaker 1: Thank you too. Of those two weird tweens who wanted
Speaker 1: to they were teens, not tweens who wanted to make
Speaker 1: a luigia board out of a piece of murder. Would Uh.
Speaker 1: None of this could have happened without everybody's hard work
Speaker 1: in the method. Yeah. And if you have any quandaries
Speaker 1: or moral questions about the unknown, the paranormal and unknown,
Speaker 1: or just any kind of questions at all. If you
Speaker 1: have thoughts on your favorite eighties movies, Never Ending Story, Goonies,
Speaker 1: things that We've Never Broken Era, the Oake Eric Children's movies,
Speaker 1: I think that's a good label for it. Yes, give
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