WEBVTT - CES 2026: Part Three (Tuesday) 0:00:01.840 --> 0:00:02.880 Also media. 0:00:04.200 --> 0:00:06.880 Forty years ago, the old gods decided to create a podcast. 0:00:06.920 --> 0:00:09.640 Are capable of withstanding twenty hours of podcasting in the 0:00:09.640 --> 0:00:12.440 space of five days. I am at Zeitron and this 0:00:12.480 --> 0:00:27.040 is better offline CS coverage. We are large and in 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.600 charge in the Palazzo Hotel in Las Vegas, beautiful Las Vegas, Nevada, 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:33.199 with an open bar, Tacos and the strongest bench of 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:36.440 tech commentator talent in the known universe. As every We're 0:00:36.440 --> 0:00:38.760 bringing you coverage of the world's biggest tech conference. It's 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:41.600 day two, Episode two, and our first contestants have just arrived. 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:44.360 Joining me for the first block is the amazing, victorious 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:47.400 song of the Verge. Hello, And we've got the wonderful 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:50.280 stand up comedian host of the Factually podcast, Adam Connover. 0:00:50.479 --> 0:00:52.560 Hello, and of course. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:54.680 The legendary broadcast of My Dad's Gonna be So Happy. 0:00:54.760 --> 0:00:57.480 Rory Kecklin Jones, who writes the Always On newsletter and 0:00:57.520 --> 0:00:59.520 the mo is on the Movers and Shakers podcast. 0:00:59.600 --> 0:01:02.160 Thank you for your sorry, Hello, so pleased to please 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:02.600 your dad. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:06.600 Oh, He's gonna He's gonna be elated, So Victoria. You 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:09.640 describe your beat as the Curse Technology Beat and I 0:01:09.680 --> 0:01:11.400 think this is a great place to begin. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:14.960 Not for my mental health, but sure. 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.080 Yes, but for the full of yucks. Perhaps what have 0:01:19.160 --> 0:01:21.360 you seen? Just just start anywhere? 0:01:21.520 --> 0:01:25.880 Okay, So with my editors, you know, we're talking trend 0:01:25.920 --> 0:01:28.120 pieces right now, and they're like, what's your what's your 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:30.520 trend this year? And I was like, bodily fluids. We 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:37.920 are talking piss semen, uh, blood urine, bodily fluids, because 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.360 you know, my actual beat is wearable in health technology, right, 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.400 so you know, I'm you know, I'm surprisingly light under 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:46.280 unwearable today. 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:47.160 How many people got today? 0:01:47.200 --> 0:01:49.840 I only got two? The other day I was racking. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.400 Four like a parallax style things. 0:01:52.520 --> 0:01:56.000 Yeah, actually, actually no, I have AI You you sent 0:01:56.040 --> 0:01:56.720 me these? 0:01:57.560 --> 0:02:01.560 Yes, yes, don't name them insuls. 0:02:01.080 --> 0:02:05.280 The AI generated insuls. My feet seas still hurt, So 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:09.480 there we go. H But yeah, so you know, longevity 0:02:09.560 --> 0:02:15.200 quote unquote longevity tech is in right now. Wellness is bullshit, 0:02:15.320 --> 0:02:17.640 as we know, but a lot of my beat deals 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:22.040 with wellness, and therefore the snake oil perpetuated by wellness 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:24.680 influencers in the world, and I get to have the 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:29.400 lovely job of going, what bullshit are they going to 0:02:29.440 --> 0:02:33.960 make me? Wear this year. So I've worn uh, I've 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:40.000 worn in led face mask that makes Jason Vorhees look funny. Okay, 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:42.560 but you know it's not the Jason Warheas type led mask. 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:47.560 It's you'll see it tomorrow on Leverage Dot. There's that 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.680 I closed the loop on the taint zapper and you know. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.640 I'm gonna stop you then, Okay, what is that? 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:57.040 Okay? 0:02:57.160 --> 0:02:58.960 So we have to go back six years because this 0:02:59.040 --> 0:03:01.400 is a year. This is a story that is six 0:03:01.520 --> 0:03:04.720 years in the reporting and the making. So CES twenty twenty, 0:03:04.800 --> 0:03:08.519 right before the world closes down because of COVID. I'm 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:11.320 at Cees suffering, I have a cold or whatever. I'm 0:03:11.360 --> 0:03:15.160 at CS Unveiled, which is the inaugural Nights showcase of 0:03:15.480 --> 0:03:17.720 vendors and whatnot. I'm walking along a long what am 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:18.960 I going to cover? What am I going to cover? 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:21.400 And I see a table. It's one of those booths 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:25.160 that's very empty and sad, right, and on the table 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.880 there is a mannequin and it's just this mid torso 0:03:29.000 --> 0:03:34.120 section of a male mannequin with Kendall smooth giblets, and 0:03:34.440 --> 0:03:38.200 it's on its back so its tant is exposed to 0:03:38.960 --> 0:03:42.400 a roving crowd of tech journalists and on on the 0:03:42.440 --> 0:03:46.840 goos of this, of this, a mannequin is a band aid, right, 0:03:46.880 --> 0:03:49.760 And on this sparse table, I really have to paint 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:53.360 the picture. Here there's a laptop, and on the laptop 0:03:53.400 --> 0:03:56.320 there is a slideshow presentation. And I want you to 0:03:56.360 --> 0:04:00.240 think of a black and white picture of a couple 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.480 in bed and they're disgruntled. The woman is on the 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:06.240 bed and she's sitting here with her arms folded and 0:04:06.360 --> 0:04:09.800 just like a look of disgust on our face. And 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:11.960 the man is at the edge of the bed with 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.240 his head and his hands and he's so sad. And 0:04:15.320 --> 0:04:18.800 the text on this slide show is premature ejaculation is 0:04:18.839 --> 0:04:22.120 the number one male dysfunction. So I take a picture. 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:23.920 I was like his moto at the time. So I 0:04:24.000 --> 0:04:26.520 take a picture of this and I send it to 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:29.600 our slack channel, and my editor goes, bitch, you must 0:04:29.600 --> 0:04:32.680 write this, and I go, okay, so I'll just describe it. 0:04:33.080 --> 0:04:36.719 I wrote it. A week later, the CEO Lovely Man, Jeff. 0:04:37.160 --> 0:04:39.640 He reaches out to me and he goes, I because 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.359 I had some burning questions about this taint banding. I 0:04:42.400 --> 0:04:44.280 was like, is it gonna rip off the hair off 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:47.320 these men's gooches, Like, is what are we doing here? 0:04:47.360 --> 0:04:50.680 And it's like the proposed it was a concept wearable. 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:55.520 So the proposal was that to help men with premature ejaculation, 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:59.760 it was gonna zop you, okay, to you know, delay orgism. 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.719 And so I was like, I have so many questions. 0:05:02.760 --> 0:05:05.000 I asked many penis half others that I knew. I 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:06.520 was like, would you would you try this? Would you do? 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:10.359 And they're all like, bitch no, And so you know, 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:12.280 a week later he reaches out to me. I was like, 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.200 I want to answer some of your questions. No, it's 0:05:14.200 --> 0:05:15.719 not going to rip the hair off. We've done a 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:17.919 lot of research into the type of adhesive views. And 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:20.440 I was like, okay, I'll write that follow up. The 0:05:20.560 --> 0:05:23.200 next year, I see them again and they have the 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:27.839 most They have this gift that shows how it works 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.200 and it's like a if you were on the floor 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:33.880 and you were panning up, it's like the view of 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:37.240 the gooch and just it's the most cursed gift I've 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:39.360 ever seen in my life. Right, it's in our social 0:05:39.440 --> 0:05:42.719 video if you want to see it. But yeah, so 0:05:42.800 --> 0:05:44.400 that was there and we were talking and he's like, 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:50.520 we've discovered something mysterious in our testing. And I was like, oh, okay, cool, 0:05:50.760 --> 0:05:53.640 what sure? So I met up with this guy this 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.520 year and it's now a product. They are FDA cleared. 0:05:56.720 --> 0:06:01.760 Nice And the mysterious discovery that they discovered was that 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:06.800 not only can it help men with premature ejaculation delay 0:06:07.400 --> 0:06:14.120 orgasm mm hmmm, the electrical signal contracts the prostate and 0:06:14.360 --> 0:06:16.720 makes ejaculation more forceful. 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:21.159 So how did they measure. 0:06:20.920 --> 0:06:25.640 That it was discovered? It was discovered in test. 0:06:25.920 --> 0:06:28.400 You can tell when you do it how forceful it is. 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.480 Well, I've never had sex, so yeah. No. 0:06:31.680 --> 0:06:34.280 Sometimes sometimes you're in a good mood and you hit 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:38.200 the wall and and people it must have experienced this. 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:40.320 Yeah, I actually you know that year after, when I 0:06:40.360 --> 0:06:42.239 was doing the follow up, I talked to a user 0:06:42.240 --> 0:06:44.960 who had used it. You wanted to be anonymous, and 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:47.600 he was like, it's saving my marriage. It's great, it 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:49.160 doesn't hurt, it feels great. 0:06:49.240 --> 0:06:51.680 I'm being kind of cynical, but it seems like it's 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:52.880 actually possibly use. 0:06:55.839 --> 0:06:57.960 But you know, there's there's like a lot of meaning 0:06:58.000 --> 0:07:02.039 between FDA proved, FDA clear isn't listed, it has to 0:07:02.080 --> 0:07:03.960 do with the type of medical class device it is 0:07:04.040 --> 0:07:06.400 and whatnot. But but, but but I did get to 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:08.400 try it myself on my forearm, as I do not 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:14.040 possess the actual body part necessary for real life testing, 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.240 so I put it on my forearm. I got to 0:07:16.280 --> 0:07:19.120 try it out. It costs three hundred dollars for the 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:20.920 starter kit it has. 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:22.720 Does it require a subscription? 0:07:22.920 --> 0:07:26.160 No, And there's no AI involved, so you know, but 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:30.360 you know you can. You can customize the zapp pattern, 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:33.680 so you can you can. There's a strength level of 0:07:33.720 --> 0:07:37.720 one to one hundred. I could feel the strength at one, 0:07:37.760 --> 0:07:41.520 which I was yeah, on my arm, tained which I 0:07:41.560 --> 0:07:43.920 was told that makes me a unicorn because most people 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:46.600 can't actually feel it at one. Like he was saying 0:07:46.600 --> 0:07:50.120 that depending on your body, uh, how hairy you are, 0:07:50.240 --> 0:07:52.640 how much body fat you have, you might need to 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.920 like go up to twenty five to feel something nice. 0:07:56.120 --> 0:07:59.680 That's that's yeah, that's good. I'm trying, like I'm trying 0:07:59.720 --> 0:08:02.120 not to like just laugh at the idea of bums 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.600 just like just like wooo bum poo, but like it 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:07.720 seems like an actual, like weirdly useful thing, like well, you. 0:08:07.680 --> 0:08:09.080 Know, a lot of men don't want to talk about 0:08:09.120 --> 0:08:10.000 premature ejaculates. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:11.720 I don't want to talk about sex at all. Like 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:14.080 that's like that's a universal thing with the Fellas, Like 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.000 this came up last year with Shad and like men 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:17.640 just like you start talking about sex and like no, 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:19.240 I couldn't possibly. 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:22.000 Yeah yeah, And you know, the their founder is a 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.560 really good sport because Jimmy Kimmel did roast him on 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:27.760 a monologue in twenty twenty two about it, and he's like, 0:08:27.800 --> 0:08:30.160 that's fine. I just want people talking about it, and 0:08:30.200 --> 0:08:32.040 I want men who suffer from this to actually do 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.040 something for you. Jeff, Yeah, Jeff is like he's. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:37.880 A cool d And the FDA clearance would mean this 0:08:38.160 --> 0:08:41.560 it works, like they've tested it or is it just 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:42.800 not going to kill you? 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:46.000 It means that it's safe basically. So they did have 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.000 to test it on rabbits, So. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.680 You mean they didn't have a double blind placebo control trial. 0:08:52.880 --> 0:08:55.640 I love the one that doesn't. 0:08:56.760 --> 0:08:59.599 Think you think you've been shocked, but if you have 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.360 an actually been so just it just naturally hot. 0:09:02.640 --> 0:09:04.720 It feels more like a vibration, to be quite honest, 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:09.160 It's not like a type of feeling. But what FDA 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.600 clearance means is like there's different types of medical devices. 0:09:11.640 --> 0:09:14.240 There's Class one, which is like a tongue depressor, it's 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:17.320 not really doing anything. Class two is like moderate risk. 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:19.120 And I believe this would probably be in class two 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:22.080 because they require five ten clearance and basically they have 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:26.800 to go through testing for safety, efficacy, privacy. 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:28.760 And this one. This is all of it. It's past them. 0:09:29.200 --> 0:09:31.480 Yes, it passed that. It took a long time because 0:09:31.480 --> 0:09:34.080 this is a six year period. I want to say, 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:35.959 like they had to go through two rounds of funding, 0:09:36.160 --> 0:09:40.800 like FDA clearance, millions of dollars, millions of dollars. 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.600 Right now, the Titan Zeppr is the most functional product 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:46.400 we've discussed on the show. Like I'm deadly serious, Like 0:09:46.440 --> 0:09:48.320 we spent the last two outs spend like, yeah, this 0:09:48.360 --> 0:09:50.280 doesn't work. This doesn't because it's not. The Titan Zuppr 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:51.959 is real and it's real. 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:54.880 And you know, so part of the thing was is 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:57.080 that you know, they had done their initial round of 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.400 gathering data, which took them a year and a half 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.760 to gather all all this data, and then the FDA 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:03.440 was like, yeah, but we're gonna need you to do 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.920 animal testing so you're gonna have to put this taint 0:10:05.960 --> 0:10:06.920 zapperro ond bunnies. 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:10.959 And just to be clear, that's not the tits. 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:13.600 No, it's not the bunny taints. They're putting it on 0:10:13.720 --> 0:10:18.320 the bunnies because bunnies are furry and some taints are furrery. 0:10:18.960 --> 0:10:20.880 So you need to make sure that when you put 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:25.400 this adhesive on on on skin that when you take 0:10:25.480 --> 0:10:29.240 it off, you're not causing rashes, irritation, ripping things out. 0:10:29.440 --> 0:10:31.160 So you know, they he told me that, you know, 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:32.840 they'd have to put the patch on the bunny every 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:35.439 single day and monitor it for a few hours and 0:10:35.960 --> 0:10:37.760 you know, and yeah. 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.040 So Rory, moving on, moving on from the tank for now, 0:10:40.120 --> 0:10:41.520 I'm just a dog. 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.960 I've wandered off the streets and it's an old BBC man. 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:47.480 Oh, it's actually not called a taint zapper. That's just 0:10:47.480 --> 0:10:51.319 what I've called it, called more m O R. 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.880 That's a horrible That is one of the worst names 0:10:54.920 --> 0:10:56.000 they could have come up with. 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.520 It's called more but it sounds like one thing you 0:11:00.559 --> 0:11:02.960 don't get is more. You don't like there. 0:11:03.080 --> 0:11:05.760 You don't get more more velocity. 0:11:05.640 --> 0:11:09.839 More, more velocity, more lasting power. The company behind it 0:11:09.880 --> 0:11:12.959 is called marai inc and maori and Latin means delay, 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:14.520 so shocking. 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:21.479 Call it longer longer long yeah, with no e Yeah. 0:11:21.240 --> 0:11:23.320 Because then it's like you're going longer and your dick 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.360 is longer. Yeah, men like longer. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:31.600 That's and that's the that's men like longer. But Rory, 0:11:31.920 --> 0:11:34.880 what have you seen at the show? Anything unrelated to bums? 0:11:36.679 --> 0:11:44.360 I'm just that I've not got any human detritus to 0:11:44.600 --> 0:11:47.400 bring before you. I mean, I've seen something incredibly wholesome. 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:48.640 Please please tell me. 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.440 I went to the Lego press conference. I used to 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:55.080 come here a year after year for the BBC and 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:58.080 it was a nightmare because of the time difference, and 0:11:58.120 --> 0:12:01.840 we had to make a store on a Sunday and 0:12:01.880 --> 0:12:06.400 a Monday to go out on the Tuesday eight hours 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:11.480 behind and be desperate. And I learned a good lesson there, 0:12:11.520 --> 0:12:16.160 which is never go to a CS press conference because 0:12:16.200 --> 0:12:22.199 they're terrible. Because every single press conference features a CEO 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:26.400 who thinks he's Steve Jobs unveiling the iPhone and he's 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.319 not Steve Jobs and he hasn't got an iPhone. And 0:12:30.800 --> 0:12:33.640 I know this because my very first CES was my 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:38.720 best ever because it had a historic event in which 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.080 in the BBC, having paid an awful lot for a 0:12:42.080 --> 0:12:45.080 lot of us to come over, led by me, I 0:12:45.160 --> 0:12:46.719 said to them, listen, We're going to take a day 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:49.120 out and leave Ces and go to think called Matt World, 0:12:49.520 --> 0:12:52.120 because there's a room if something BIG's going to happen. 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:55.800 And so I was there when Steve Jobs did unveil 0:12:55.840 --> 0:13:00.320 the iPhone, which was better than any event that I've 0:13:00.320 --> 0:13:01.959 ever seen it fifteen. 0:13:02.640 --> 0:13:05.360 When he goes, when he goes, are you getting it? 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:06.280 That's my favorite part. 0:13:06.360 --> 0:13:07.440 Yeah, you get it? 0:13:07.480 --> 0:13:10.559 Were you getting it in that moment? Were you like, wait, 0:13:10.800 --> 0:13:11.760 it's one device? 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:12.560 Well. 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:14.880 I was kind of shocked in a kind of very 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.000 British way by the fact that there were people standing 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:23.920 up and cheering. Were journalists we don't cheer for. There 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:29.520 was not the requisite level of cynical old hackery, but 0:13:29.960 --> 0:13:32.200 even I got carried away. I knew something was big 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:36.120 when my desk in London rang people who were not 0:13:36.520 --> 0:13:39.600 remotely interested in technology and said, you've got to get 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:44.040 your hands on that phone, and I said, you are deluded. 0:13:44.280 --> 0:13:50.679 Apple is like North Korea, but less less open. They 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:54.160 will never let me near a phone that's not coming 0:13:54.200 --> 0:13:57.160 out for six months. Are you dreaming? And then I 0:13:57.240 --> 0:14:01.240 remembered that we've been promised an interview with Phil Schiller, 0:14:01.640 --> 0:14:05.600 a tubby little marketing guy who did not quite have 0:14:05.720 --> 0:14:07.000 Steve Job's charisma. 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:08.480 And I had said, yeah, yeah. 0:14:08.360 --> 0:14:10.800 Yeah, we'll do that, thinking no, we won't, and I 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:16.040 changed my mind and we headed back to the Moscowe centerency. 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:20.800 We would like that interview with mister mister Schiller. After all, 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.800 he appears, I see you don't happen to have the phone, 0:14:23.800 --> 0:14:27.800 and he said, oh yeah, handed it to me. I 0:14:27.840 --> 0:14:33.120 did my piece to camera and did an interview with 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:37.200 Phil Schiller, which we didn't use, and I had my 0:14:37.280 --> 0:14:40.600 shot on the on the main news and the following weekend, 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:44.560 a tech columnist in The Venerable Observant newspaper described me 0:14:44.600 --> 0:14:48.080 as looking like a French medieval peasant holding a piece 0:14:48.080 --> 0:14:53.960 of the one true cross us, which was because God 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:56.880 damn Christ, I had actually got the whole of the 0:14:56.960 --> 0:15:01.520 damn thing. So, which is a long way around saying 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:06.880 CS has been sort of twenty years of disappointment for me, mainly, 0:15:07.520 --> 0:15:12.200 but this year I decided, against my better insects, I 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.440 would go to one press conference. Yeah, and that was 0:15:15.480 --> 0:15:21.000 the Lego one, right, and the contrast between that experience 0:15:21.680 --> 0:15:25.400 and sitting through I didn't bother to go, but watch 0:15:25.440 --> 0:15:29.680 the live stream of the Nvidia press conference was quite instructive. 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:32.000 We hurst ourselves with that on the first day. It 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:34.080 was truly truly boring. 0:15:34.320 --> 0:15:38.320 Yeah, but where is the great thing about the Lego 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.600 one was we got a little freebie, a little package 0:15:41.600 --> 0:15:45.400 of bricks on every seat. It was short, it was 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:51.120 forty five minutes. It was the toy industry and the 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:58.440 media industry because Disney and lucasfilms were there and Star 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:01.760 Wars characters telling the industry. Actually we know a bit 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:07.800 about storytelling, and which I'm afraid dear mister Jensen Wining 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:08.880 he obviously did not. 0:16:09.040 --> 0:16:11.760 He doesn't and it's weird. Other than these shiny jackets, 0:16:11.760 --> 0:16:14.080 he doesn't really have much going on. And mostly I 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.240 was already the listeners already heard me say this, but 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:18.560 it's like it was mostly him just repeating stuff from 0:16:18.600 --> 0:16:21.360 three to six months ago. It felt kind of washed, 0:16:21.400 --> 0:16:22.600 and I mean it was quite enjoyable. 0:16:22.600 --> 0:16:26.720 When the tech when he's describing the most advanced, exciting 0:16:26.720 --> 0:16:29.240 technology in the world and his PowerPoint failed. 0:16:30.400 --> 0:16:32.560 Someone's getting shot. 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:34.920 Well, somebody, a whole team is going to be replaced 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:37.600 by AI within seconds. 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:41.200 I do respect when it's a live text presentation now though, 0:16:41.200 --> 0:16:43.280 because you know now they just flies to the Steve 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:48.880 Jobs Theater for ALP. Watch a filmed presentation in a theater, like. 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:50.080 No sense of peril. 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.280 Yeah, that's you know what in video could use a 0:16:53.280 --> 0:16:55.080 little peril in that. There should have been some trap 0:16:55.120 --> 0:16:57.480 doors or something. It was. It was very bizarre. It 0:16:57.520 --> 0:17:00.240 was like two hours of a man clearly trying to 0:17:00.360 --> 0:17:04.360 feign excitement and he's just like, yeah, Blackwell might come 0:17:04.400 --> 0:17:08.080 out at some point. Yeah, it's in full full manufacturer, 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:13.560 and just the audience going yeah. The reaction was really sad. 0:17:13.800 --> 0:17:15.000 It was it was, it was. It was. 0:17:15.040 --> 0:17:18.080 It was like a you know, a failing politician at 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:24.840 party conference setting up the que lines. Applaud, applaud and yeah. 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:27.640 Yeah yeah it's thank god. Okay, it's good to good 0:17:27.680 --> 0:17:30.760 to know other people heard that. But let's let's change, 0:17:30.760 --> 0:17:32.880 because Adam, what have you seen? You've just got here, 0:17:32.960 --> 0:17:35.200 So what wonders if you bold? 0:17:35.760 --> 0:17:39.919 You know, I'm sort of drawn to everything that's not 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:41.000 AI related. 0:17:41.200 --> 0:17:42.120 First of all, I was. 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:47.200 Just walking your goal the section. 0:17:47.440 --> 0:17:51.119 Well, what I found was h Strangely, I saw like 0:17:51.240 --> 0:17:53.240 five or six products related to teeth. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:57.080 Have you guys noticed a teeth trend? The teeth Every 0:17:57.520 --> 0:17:58.600 everywhere I'm looking. 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.000 There's usually it's an AI toothbrush. 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.639 The first thing I saw was I was all the 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.679 AI you know, blurred out, and I just my vision 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.560 honed in on something called the y brush. Yeah, it's 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.160 a toothbrush, but what if the end of the toothbrush 0:18:14.600 --> 0:18:17.639 was the same shape as all of your teeth, So 0:18:17.720 --> 0:18:20.000 you just put it over all of your teeth at once, 0:18:20.440 --> 0:18:24.760 and it brushes all your teeth simultaneously, And you know 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:28.040 what as the owner of an electric toothbrush, and it 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:30.119 has a timer and I'd do it for two minutes 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.280 and it's like thirty seconds per quadrant and it's so 0:18:33.400 --> 0:18:35.320 boring and I have to listen to it to like 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:38.000 two minutes of a podcast. I was like, you know what, 0:18:38.080 --> 0:18:40.960 ten seconds to brush all my teeth? Yes, someone buy 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:43.080 me this shit at Brookstone for Christmas. 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:46.119 Thank you. This is what cees is for. This is 0:18:46.119 --> 0:18:49.400 what it's supposed to be. Is dumb garbage that says 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:51.600 is going to save you a minute and a half. Right, 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:52.359 that's nice. 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:54.960 I like that, did you see anything that was useless? 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:56.920 I was just describe the rest of the cees. I 0:18:56.920 --> 0:18:58.879 guess do what else did you do? You see more 0:18:58.960 --> 0:18:59.720 teeth related things? 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:02.159 Yeah, look, I even got a teeth I got. I 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:04.520 got a free night guard. So I. 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:12.800 Have a loose plastic bags and beautiful I've taken out 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:13.639 of my hoodie pocket. 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:14.400 I've produced it. 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:19.160 Yeah, so there was a smart night guard that I wear, 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:21.600 a nightguard for tooth grinding. And it's a night guard 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:25.919 that will much like the taint zapper when you grind 0:19:25.920 --> 0:19:27.960 your teeth, it'll buzz in the middle of the night 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.919 to stop you from grinding your teeth. Which reminds me 0:19:31.000 --> 0:19:32.240 of when I was a kid and I used to 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:34.760 wet the bed and my parents would put the pistol 0:19:34.880 --> 0:19:37.080 arm did it? And you know the pistol arm. No, 0:19:37.320 --> 0:19:39.280 this is from the early nineties. This has been very 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:41.399 high tech. It's a little so you know, if you 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:44.159 used to wet the bed, it was just common. You know, 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:49.119 it happens to a lot of people. Ed like, you know, 0:19:49.160 --> 0:19:50.280 I'm like older than you. 0:19:50.200 --> 0:19:52.760 Should be on wedding the bed and and so. 0:19:52.600 --> 0:19:56.439 Once again, when you get to a age, well you 0:19:56.440 --> 0:19:57.800 would be interested in this product. 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.560 It's it's a pad like with election roads out that 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:02.480 you put into your underpants and then when it to 0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.359 text moisture, it's connected to a little speaker that is 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:07.159 like attached to your shirt. 0:20:07.200 --> 0:20:12.560 And so this is a so this is sorry, I'm lost, 0:20:12.600 --> 0:20:13.359 it's the piste along. 0:20:14.280 --> 0:20:16.479 Now I'm describing something that was inflicted on me as 0:20:16.480 --> 0:20:19.320 a child that frankly, was almost like a form of 0:20:19.359 --> 0:20:21.400 abuse to stop me from doing something that just. 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:25.400 Naturally stops, like something that kids do accidentally. 0:20:25.560 --> 0:20:28.160 Yeah, like a very common thing. But it's a shame 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:29.359 alarm right now, like. 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:31.720 A short color for dogs, is that right? 0:20:31.920 --> 0:20:32.160 Yeah? 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:35.840 Yeah, this is the same thing for grinding your teeth. 0:20:36.280 --> 0:20:38.439 And actually it's not a bad idea because I do 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:38.840 I can't. 0:20:38.880 --> 0:20:40.520 Yeah, I can actually see the use of that because 0:20:40.560 --> 0:20:42.439 I grind my teeth sometimes as well, and I'm I 0:20:42.480 --> 0:20:44.320 find myself accidentally doing it. 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.040 Yeah, and I wear a night guard, and you know, 0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.439 sometimes I'm like, am I grinding my teeth? Do I 0:20:49.520 --> 0:20:52.040 need to keep wearing the night guard? Or I switched 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:53.960 to sleeping on my side? Is it still happening? 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.120 You know that? I was like, all right, that's kind 0:20:56.119 --> 0:20:56.440 of nice. 0:20:56.480 --> 0:20:59.399 And then they they gave me a they molded a 0:20:59.440 --> 0:21:01.560 nightguard to my teeth, and they gave me a free nightguard. 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:03.840 And this sort of like loose bag. You might use 0:21:03.880 --> 0:21:05.320 the bag produce at the supermarket. 0:21:05.440 --> 0:21:08.439 This looks like what a criminal would hand drugs to someone. 0:21:08.480 --> 0:21:09.359 And it's just. 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:14.520 Like going to central seat over my teeth. 0:21:14.640 --> 0:21:17.199 On your headline, I sober, it says Steph Cory finally 0:21:17.200 --> 0:21:21.639 finishes eating mouth God. But for the three basketball listeners, no, 0:21:21.760 --> 0:21:22.600 that's that's good. 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.200 There's a jerkoff machine. You saill a jerk off machine 0:21:25.240 --> 0:21:25.879 right in the Eureka. 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:28.800 It's called the Handy. 0:21:29.040 --> 0:21:30.400 Yeah, that's good, and. 0:21:30.359 --> 0:21:32.199 The handy too. They've got both of them in the 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.680 same what's the sequel? Like, it looked like that's basically 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:36.280 the same thing. 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:37.240 Just shakes heart. 0:21:38.560 --> 0:21:38.800 Yeah. 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:42.160 I saw that thing two years ago and I was like, okay, cool, 0:21:42.240 --> 0:21:44.399 that was that's funny looking. And then it's back here 0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.800 again and I'm like, bill more the same. 0:21:47.000 --> 0:21:49.560 It's it's like, got all this copy where it's like, 0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:52.760 don't worry everybody looks twice like, yep, it really is. 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:56.720 It's really hamming it up, you know, the only. 0:21:56.560 --> 0:21:59.080 Way to do that is be super serious about yeah, 0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.320 just like you're like, excuse me, said something funny about this. 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:03.840 Yeah, see that would be better. 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:05.919 That would be so much more interesting. It's like a 0:22:06.000 --> 0:22:07.360 huh yeah, we went there. 0:22:07.680 --> 0:22:11.520 Yeah, it's very much the Cards against Humanity. They're like 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:13.200 just for nerds. 0:22:12.800 --> 0:22:16.320 To be able to I recognize this as comedy. 0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:18.280 You know, and be able to let I mean CS 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.080 as a show is extremely prudish and does not fuck 0:22:21.400 --> 0:22:22.880 like the Rue. 0:22:23.160 --> 0:22:25.440 Yeah, well, the jerk Off Machine is not a fucking machine. 0:22:25.440 --> 0:22:26.080 I'll tell you that. 0:22:26.119 --> 0:22:28.879 There was a time where there was like a like 0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:31.040 back in twenty nineteen, twenty twenty, there was like a 0:22:31.080 --> 0:22:35.919 controversy because they had given a vibrator, uh vibrator. It 0:22:35.960 --> 0:22:39.560 was like a micro robotic kind of lingus dildo type 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:44.280 device and it was the Laura de Carlo and they 0:22:44.280 --> 0:22:47.280 had given them a innovation award and they're like no, no, no, no, 0:22:47.320 --> 0:22:49.800 we're gonna take the innovation award away. And then everyone's like. 0:22:49.840 --> 0:22:52.520 Why did they take it away? Because it was imbrober 0:22:53.280 --> 0:22:55.840 uh so they could give it to just something that didn't. 0:22:55.560 --> 0:22:58.520 Exist, Like yeah, they were just like this is not 0:22:58.760 --> 0:23:03.200 this is not robotics. And everyone was like yeah, it's robotically. 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.439 Like they gave it and people complained and then they 0:23:06.440 --> 0:23:07.320 took it away again. 0:23:07.480 --> 0:23:11.199 That's so that the most cowardly fuckless ship I've heard 0:23:11.280 --> 0:23:11.480 in my. 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.520 Then the next year, the next year, they're like, no, 0:23:14.600 --> 0:23:18.120 we falk get all the sex tech companies to come 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:20.520 back and we'll have a sex tech pavilion. And they 0:23:20.520 --> 0:23:23.239 had a whole camper. They had like a build your 0:23:23.280 --> 0:23:28.359 own dildo experience, which I did and you know I 0:23:28.400 --> 0:23:31.960 was reporting on it. And now it's just like, where's 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:35.359 the sex tech companies. It's one hand job device thing, 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:36.920 and it's like, okay, I would. 0:23:36.680 --> 0:23:39.280 Have expected build adild to be a big hit. 0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.800 You know, it was that year they could, you know, 0:23:42.880 --> 0:23:44.679 have have it be a kiosk in the mall. You 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:46.960 know you go with your for your friend's birthday. 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:54.560 Not smaller, smaller, smaller, you got any Yeah, we got 0:23:54.560 --> 0:24:00.200 a special one out back right, not small than that. No. 0:24:00.680 --> 0:24:03.360 I like this though, because David Roth sadly was only 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.680 here yesterday because the sex conversation we had towards the 0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:10.000 end of Lost the Yes, just watching him like, no, 0:24:10.080 --> 0:24:12.240 he's a lovely guy. I'm sure he's had sex. I'm 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.640 not going to comment further on that before I can 0:24:14.720 --> 0:24:17.240 get comment from him, which would be really funny to 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:19.320 text him. Actually lost the Yes, I got in trouble 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:22.359 for texting my family group chat what my dad's horny 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:26.160 level was. Sorry, dad, you can now hear this anyway? 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:30.280 Your son's doing you proud? Yeah, it's it's it's actually 0:24:30.359 --> 0:24:32.360 kind of nice to hear this useful stuff. 0:24:32.760 --> 0:24:34.000 But I guess it usually is. 0:24:34.080 --> 0:24:38.040 It's just takes six years of you know, development. 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:39.959 Of bum buch. 0:24:39.720 --> 0:24:41.360 Of taint research is just. 0:24:41.640 --> 0:24:43.399 Like coming back here again and again. 0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:45.000 Yeah. 0:24:45.080 --> 0:24:47.119 Yeah, And it takes a long time to get some 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:49.879 of the stuff actually made. It's it's not like a 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.160 you know, a lot of the I say, a lot 0:24:53.200 --> 0:24:55.760 of the tech I see here on my Beata's vaporware, 0:24:55.880 --> 0:24:57.439 because it's just like where where is it? 0:24:57.520 --> 0:24:58.000 Where is it? 0:24:58.320 --> 0:25:01.720 Sometimes it takes six years to get approval, you know, 0:25:01.800 --> 0:25:04.159 and bunny testing to make sure it's safe enough for 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.560 human use and that there's a scientific reason why you 0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:09.200 might want to actually use this shit. 0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:12.600 Yeah. So yeah, it's funny like the non AI stuff 0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:15.159 is like for real people doing things like fucking. 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:18.679 Well, you know, they are looking into AI for the 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:19.800 tant Zappera as well. 0:25:20.280 --> 0:25:23.720 So I just I if you can as a listener, 0:25:23.760 --> 0:25:25.639 if you're hearing this and you see something at CS 0:25:25.640 --> 0:25:28.479 with AI and it works, please let me know because 0:25:28.840 --> 0:25:31.760 so far, I'm oh, four hundred I think it is. 0:25:31.920 --> 0:25:35.879 I had a really interesting conversation with a woman and 0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.119 it was like the sort of conversation where I was like, 0:25:38.119 --> 0:25:40.040 I wish I had had a camera I was recording 0:25:40.040 --> 0:25:41.640 it or something, because it was one of the first 0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:44.000 boots I went up to and I'm like, I flew 0:25:44.119 --> 0:25:44.520 here today. 0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:45.359 I didn't get enough sleep. 0:25:45.400 --> 0:25:47.040 I'm like kind of zonked out, so I just walk 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:51.800 up to this thing and it's like AI fast food 0:25:51.920 --> 0:25:56.199 ordering thing. Yeah, well the most obvious possible thing. But 0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:58.240 the guy demonstrates it and he's like, I have a 0:25:58.280 --> 0:25:59.880 coffee please, do you want to make it a calm? 0:26:00.400 --> 0:26:02.240 Yes, I want to make it a combo? Could I 0:26:02.280 --> 0:26:03.040 have a croissant? 0:26:03.080 --> 0:26:06.600 And it goes five croissants and then do you want 0:26:06.640 --> 0:26:08.119 to make it a combo? He says yes, and then 0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.280 it makes one of the croissants a combo, and he 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:13.080 says could I remove the other four croissants and it 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:15.280 goes yes. See it can remove stuff you know, and 0:26:15.320 --> 0:26:16.800 they're like, what do you think? And I was like, 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:20.120 I mean, it seems worse than ordering. If I were 0:26:20.160 --> 0:26:22.720 to confront this rather than a person like I wouldn't 0:26:22.760 --> 0:26:23.040 like it. 0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:24.160 I'd be actively annoyed. 0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:27.680 Yeah. And you know they're like, well, you know, sounds bad. 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:31.040 I'm like, yeah, yeah, but it sounds bad, but also 0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:31.399 it is. 0:26:31.840 --> 0:26:33.960 Yeah, it needs a bit of wo But what I 0:26:34.000 --> 0:26:36.119 asked the woman was, I was like, she was very 0:26:36.200 --> 0:26:37.560 nice to engage in this conversation. 0:26:37.680 --> 0:26:41.600 I was like, because she was saying, you know this, 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:46.040 people want a good customer experience, and a person doesn't 0:26:46.040 --> 0:26:47.639 always give you a good customer experience. 0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:49.120 For some robot doesn't, so. 0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:50.760 I give you a bad one every time. 0:26:50.960 --> 0:26:51.280 Yeah. 0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.280 She was like, I checked it at the hotel today 0:26:53.320 --> 0:26:55.800 and the guy was rude and and you know, the 0:26:56.760 --> 0:26:58.960 AI can never be rude. It'll always be in a 0:26:58.960 --> 0:27:02.000 good mood. And I said, Okay, even if that's true, 0:27:02.119 --> 0:27:05.360 if you you know, did the travel I did here today, right, 0:27:05.440 --> 0:27:07.679 You got in a way mow. Then you get to 0:27:07.680 --> 0:27:10.199 the airport, there's no person to check in. It's just 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:13.800 a kiosk. There's no TSA agent, there's no person to 0:27:13.880 --> 0:27:16.000 talk to you in security. When you go get your coffee, 0:27:16.040 --> 0:27:18.000 it's just a you know, a thing you talk to 0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:20.720 and then it dispenses it. On the plane there's no 0:27:20.720 --> 0:27:22.400 one to talk to. You get to the hotel, there's 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:24.680 no person there, right, and it just gives you a key. 0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.639 Is that a world that you would like to live in? 0:27:28.480 --> 0:27:28.840 Yeah? 0:27:28.920 --> 0:27:31.320 Japan they do that in Japan. 0:27:32.320 --> 0:27:33.720 Okay, we do that there. 0:27:34.480 --> 0:27:35.480 Yeah, but it's cool there. 0:27:36.359 --> 0:27:39.760 I don't know. Yeah, as a as a UK citizen 0:27:39.800 --> 0:27:44.160 coming through the American border, I'd quite like to you know, 0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:46.640 global entry is have a rope book. 0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:52.360 There's certainly some things, but like she goes, she goes. Well, 0:27:52.520 --> 0:27:56.040 you know, I like talking to people, but most people don't. 0:27:56.160 --> 0:27:58.200 I like it, So, you know, I would maybe prefer 0:27:58.240 --> 0:27:59.879 to have a person. I'm like, I think most people 0:28:00.520 --> 0:28:01.760 do like other people. 0:28:01.840 --> 0:28:04.159 To your point, I was at pepcom last night and 0:28:04.200 --> 0:28:05.680 we saw this thing called ag. 0:28:05.640 --> 0:28:07.399 I bought and I've heard about that. 0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:10.280 So this this this giant bot and then there's like 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.919 a smaller version next to it. So just imagine this 0:28:13.040 --> 0:28:15.440 that the smaller version is like doing taichi and break 0:28:15.560 --> 0:28:18.400 dancing like a psycho bot. It's like quite smoothly too, 0:28:18.800 --> 0:28:22.080 very disconcerting. And the big bot is supposed to be 0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:25.160 shaking tech reporters hands because the purpose of this bot 0:28:25.320 --> 0:28:27.919 is to greet people at museums and that stuff. And 0:28:27.960 --> 0:28:30.439 it's like it's supposed you're supposed to walk up to 0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.480 it and it has like a doesn't have a face, 0:28:32.480 --> 0:28:35.440 it just has a screen and it's like, my name 0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:37.520 is Luca, say hi to me or whatever, and you're 0:28:37.520 --> 0:28:39.640 supposed to say Hi, Luca, and it's supposed to put 0:28:39.640 --> 0:28:41.600 out its hand, and you're supposed to put your hand 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.640 out and shake the robot's hand. And so my colleague 0:28:44.720 --> 0:28:47.600 Jen Twey, she's our smart home reviewer, and she's like 0:28:47.920 --> 0:28:51.719 on a robot mission this particular cees. She puts out 0:28:51.720 --> 0:28:53.680 her I'm like, Jen, you know you're doing the robots. 0:28:53.720 --> 0:28:56.520 Let me get a video of you shaking this robot's hands. 0:28:56.560 --> 0:29:00.120 This robot was like incapable of shaking her hands, and 0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:03.000 the one time it does, it pulls her hand down 0:29:03.120 --> 0:29:05.720 and she's like Jesus Christ, and then it just starts 0:29:05.720 --> 0:29:07.440 flirting with her and. 0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:10.240 We're like, oh, have you heard about the more? 0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:12.880 Yeah? 0:29:12.880 --> 0:29:15.560 But like the funniest thing about this show is that 0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:18.080 this is the largest tech show in the in the US, 0:29:18.080 --> 0:29:20.160 it's the big thing of the year. No one can 0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.640 get fucking Bluetooth or Wi Fi correct at this show, 0:29:22.680 --> 0:29:25.520 and so all the demos fucking fail all the time. 0:29:25.640 --> 0:29:27.680 I just don't want to touch any more. I don't 0:29:27.680 --> 0:29:30.160 want want to go places. I don't want to talk. 0:29:30.280 --> 0:29:31.280 I like seeing people. 0:29:31.760 --> 0:29:32.880 You don't want to touch your robots. 0:29:32.960 --> 0:29:34.400 I don't want to touch anyone. I don't want to 0:29:34.400 --> 0:29:37.240 shake hands with someone. I want to go to the museum. 0:29:37.600 --> 0:29:38.320 Just the robots. 0:29:38.360 --> 0:29:41.880 But to the point that I was asking the presenter 0:29:41.920 --> 0:29:43.240 I was talking to like you you. 0:29:43.320 --> 0:29:45.080 I'm finally talking to me, I quite like And I 0:29:45.120 --> 0:29:47.560 think if I just walk through a series of machines, 0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:49.720 that was like when I went to Korea, there was 0:29:49.840 --> 0:29:52.360 a lot of machines, but like still the occasional person. 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:54.640 If it was just to your description, Adam, just a 0:29:54.720 --> 0:29:58.280 series of screens that I interacted, but that would fucking suck. 0:29:59.320 --> 0:30:01.600 I'd feel a loan in a way that I quite 0:30:01.640 --> 0:30:03.840 like being solitary, But that would just be like I 0:30:03.840 --> 0:30:05.320 feel like I'm going through tubes. 0:30:05.640 --> 0:30:05.920 Yeah. 0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.360 I think what it's gonna be the future that they're 0:30:09.360 --> 0:30:11.080 gonna have I describe, you know, when I go to 0:30:11.080 --> 0:30:14.520 the Alaska terminal at Lax, they've specifically done this where 0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.960 like there's no check in counter, it's mostly kiosks and 0:30:17.960 --> 0:30:20.640 there's like two people roaming around. So it's the self 0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:24.200 checkout of airlines. And whenever I fly Alaska, there's always 0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:25.880 some fucking problem with my ticket. I don't know what 0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.120 it is with their system, and so every time I'm like, 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.920 where's the person? And that's what it's gonna be everywhere 0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.960 And this as I'm talking to this woman, she goes, well, 0:30:35.000 --> 0:30:37.200 I want people to have the choice. Maybe they want 0:30:37.200 --> 0:30:39.080 to use the automated system. I'm like, I don't think 0:30:39.080 --> 0:30:41.520 we'll have a choice, and she goes, yeah, we won't 0:30:41.560 --> 0:30:43.600 have a choice because it's gonna be so much cheaper 0:30:43.600 --> 0:30:45.600 to automate everything they're gonna do, like. 0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.120 The robo things. You call your bank and you just 0:30:47.200 --> 0:30:49.600 want to talk to someone, they're like, press one for 0:30:49.760 --> 0:30:51.400 the thing that you don't need to do. I am 0:30:51.560 --> 0:30:54.000 press see for the second thing you don't need to do, 0:30:54.080 --> 0:30:55.520 and you're just on the phone. You're pressing zero. 0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.680 Give me I would take that, and we're going to 0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:00.760 rotate to the next thirteen second. But I just want 0:31:00.800 --> 0:31:05.280 to say as a British person, every fucking single American 0:31:05.440 --> 0:31:10.160 voice activated thing sucks for me. It's just like, okay, 0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:16.040 give me a reminder for seven pm calling your mother, calling, 0:31:16.320 --> 0:31:19.880 calling mum, sending her your last link, which was the 0:31:19.920 --> 0:31:22.960 teen sapper. All right, we're gonna rotate through the next ad. 0:31:23.000 --> 0:31:26.080 I fully endorse and if you don't like it, email 0:31:26.160 --> 0:31:41.120 me at god at gov dot biz. Welcome Berg, Welcome Berg, 0:31:41.240 --> 0:31:44.600 Welcome Berg, Zitron, We're back. It's the Consumer Electronics Show, 0:31:44.680 --> 0:31:46.720 better offline and joining me in the room is the 0:31:46.800 --> 0:31:50.680 victorious song of the Verge, Robert Evans of Behind the Bastards. 0:31:50.720 --> 0:31:53.440 Yeah, I gotta do this real quick. Sorry, Yeah, I 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:55.360 just like on air was the best way. 0:31:55.480 --> 0:31:58.120 I've decided not to do that because I've drunk so 0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:00.880 many diet cokes already and I'm I've got like three 0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:03.120 more in me. And of course Adam kind of a 0:32:03.200 --> 0:32:05.440 wonderful stand up on the host of the Factory podcast. 0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:07.400 You know, I stayed at your apartment once and I 0:32:07.520 --> 0:32:09.720 was frankly concerned at how much diet coke was in 0:32:09.760 --> 0:32:12.560 that apartment and no coffee maker. You're one of those 0:32:12.600 --> 0:32:15.000 no are you die coke? In the morning, pervert. 0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.880 I'm a diet coke whenever. Perfect. Oh man, it was 0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:20.600 ten thirty pm and I went to bed half an 0:32:20.640 --> 0:32:23.920 hour later and I drank one of those motherfuckers with 0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:29.440 my sleeping meds. Yeah, I'm a they're gonna. 0:32:29.240 --> 0:32:30.840 Say, so, caffeine doesn't affect you. 0:32:31.160 --> 0:32:34.040 It just it's fine. Yeah, Like I have like ADHD, 0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:35.200 and I take medicae. 0:32:35.040 --> 0:32:37.000 Off prescription at all, but I. 0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:40.520 Also have concerto. Like they give me that, but the 0:32:40.520 --> 0:32:43.480 doctor gives me that because I actually unsupposingly have ADHD. 0:32:43.520 --> 0:32:45.880 You haven't worked that out from the tens of thousands words. 0:32:46.400 --> 0:32:50.520 So Robert, you got the sea of intuit to say something. 0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:55.080 The CMO into it. Yeah, So I started my day. 0:32:55.120 --> 0:32:57.360 All I did really today was panels. I was in 0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:02.280 like six different fucking panels, and the first one was 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:05.640 about uh one, I should probably have had this. 0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:10.360 It's okay, intuit intu. It's wonderful as well because they 0:33:10.360 --> 0:33:12.719 have this new chat GPT integration. They've got it. 0:33:13.360 --> 0:33:16.000 That's exactly what I was talking about. So I was 0:33:16.040 --> 0:33:20.200 in this uh this panel, which is like a leadership 0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:26.840 roundtable sorry on like technology and advertising. Although the actual 0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.040 panel did not seem to have much to do with that, 0:33:29.840 --> 0:33:34.920 and the CMO of Intuit was there and talked about 0:33:35.000 --> 0:33:38.040 the integration that they've been doing with chat GPT and 0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:40.720 talked about how like they're partnering with open ai so 0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:44.200 that you have when you're doing your taxes, you have 0:33:44.280 --> 0:33:47.080 access to like a chat bot basically to help do 0:33:47.200 --> 0:33:49.479 and you can have an agent. The idea is an 0:33:49.520 --> 0:33:51.320 agent will at some point be able to handle most 0:33:51.360 --> 0:33:55.800 of this task. But yeah, well that's kind of the problem, 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:58.080 and like so there's there's a couple of issues with this. 0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.680 When I first started, like, I had been reading about 0:34:01.680 --> 0:34:03.720 the into it integration because they're putting like one hundred 0:34:03.760 --> 0:34:07.320 million dollars into open ai million, not bl the trip. 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:11.120 I said that clearly. And when that first happened, I 0:34:11.160 --> 0:34:14.960 read an article by a security researcher who was pointing 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:18.560 out that they are giving into it is giving read 0:34:18.640 --> 0:34:23.960 and write access to an LLM jesus of your tax data, 0:34:24.040 --> 0:34:26.600 of any of the tax data that's integrated into that, 0:34:28.239 --> 0:34:32.319 which is a problem from a security point of view. 0:34:32.320 --> 0:34:34.239 One of the things this guy points out is that 0:34:34.600 --> 0:34:37.960 there's a kind of attack that you can execute against 0:34:38.920 --> 0:34:43.200 AI models that is there's a kind of attack that 0:34:43.200 --> 0:34:48.040 you can execute against AI. Yeah, yeah, prompt injection. 0:34:49.360 --> 0:34:51.000 And that's when you do you go to a website 0:34:51.000 --> 0:34:52.480 which tells the LM to do something. 0:34:52.600 --> 0:34:54.719 Right, a website or one of the things that this 0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:58.680 guy proposes. If you want to put in a fraudulent invoice, 0:34:58.680 --> 0:35:00.799 you could have an invoice that has that's not like 0:35:00.960 --> 0:35:03.799 visible to the naked eye, but that the LLLM would 0:35:03.880 --> 0:35:10.200 read and that text basically executes an exploit. And there's 0:35:10.239 --> 0:35:13.360 not a like you can't defend against these really like 0:35:13.400 --> 0:35:15.719 there's not a functional way to stop this. The point 0:35:15.760 --> 0:35:17.560 he was making is that it's not a question of 0:35:17.600 --> 0:35:19.560 whether or not there will be a data breach of 0:35:19.600 --> 0:35:23.520 people's tax data because they're integrating it with this chatbot. 0:35:24.000 --> 0:35:28.719 But when And the question that this researcher had that 0:35:28.840 --> 0:35:31.680 I thought was a really good question was who is 0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.680 then responsible? This is Chris Black published this in a 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:37.520 website called a raptus, But who is responsible if your 0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:41.799 data all gets leaked because of this integration? Is into 0:35:41.840 --> 0:35:45.280 It responsible? Is open AI responsible? Is whatever third party 0:35:45.320 --> 0:35:49.080 you're using that uses into it software responsible? So I 0:35:49.640 --> 0:35:53.480 asked the Thomas renize, who's the CMO of into it 0:35:53.520 --> 0:35:56.200 that right when they had time for questions, and I said, 0:35:56.680 --> 0:35:58.600 I basically brought up what's in this article? I said, 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:00.640 given the fact that this is in an ability that 0:36:00.680 --> 0:36:02.879 attacks like this will be carried out and data will 0:36:02.920 --> 0:36:08.759 be leaked, who do you like who is responsible? Like 0:36:09.239 --> 0:36:12.359 who should take legal responsibility in that instance? And like 0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:15.400 what safeguards are you building to try and deal with 0:36:15.440 --> 0:36:18.400 the fact that this is going to happen. And the 0:36:18.440 --> 0:36:20.640 first answer he gave is that we're talking about it 0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:24.160 with open AI, which which I viewed as a non answer. 0:36:24.200 --> 0:36:26.239 So I came up to him after the panel and 0:36:26.320 --> 0:36:28.640 kind of corning up a little bit and asked, like, 0:36:28.680 --> 0:36:30.920 you have to have more You're the CMO. Yeah right, 0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:33.920 you're like the chief marketing officer of this entire company. 0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:38.120 Security is a pretty big marketing huge standpoint, right, Like 0:36:38.200 --> 0:36:41.439 I would think you would know something about this, And 0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:43.680 he eventually got angry at me and said, like, I 0:36:43.680 --> 0:36:45.920 don't have any of that information. That's not my job 0:36:45.960 --> 0:36:48.440 basically to care about this sort of thing. I've got 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:51.040 a recording of it we'll play at some point, but 0:36:51.400 --> 0:36:53.840 that that's literally all that I got from him, was like, 0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:56.279 we're talking about it with open AI, And I don't 0:36:56.320 --> 0:36:58.319 really know A. 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:01.399 Browsers right, because yeah, hair browsers doing the same thing. 0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:05.000 They're so so, so so vulnerable to the prompt jack. 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:07.719 I really like that. Also, they trying to pretend A 0:37:07.800 --> 0:37:09.640 eyebrowsers are useful. They're not. 0:37:09.880 --> 0:37:13.600 I tested five of them. Me, I had to test 0:37:13.680 --> 0:37:16.760 five fucking AI browsers. All I wanted was the pair 0:37:16.800 --> 0:37:20.000 of fucking new balances, and it couldn't get me. I 0:37:20.000 --> 0:37:21.600 had to get my mother in law to get me 0:37:21.640 --> 0:37:23.719 the new balances, Like what are you doing? 0:37:23.760 --> 0:37:26.080 So what are you doing on the AI browser? Try 0:37:26.120 --> 0:37:27.520 to get the new. 0:37:27.280 --> 0:37:30.439 So you know, they're like gent like AI. You can 0:37:30.800 --> 0:37:34.120 ask it to find you the fucking new balances or whatnot, 0:37:34.160 --> 0:37:36.880 and it's supposed to help you research this stuff. And 0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:41.719 all these tech CEOs are like, well, the future of 0:37:41.760 --> 0:37:44.400 computing is that you will not do anything on the computer. 0:37:44.480 --> 0:37:46.640 You'll talk to It's kind of like Her, the movie Her, 0:37:46.719 --> 0:37:48.520 where you just talk to the computer and it goes 0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:51.960 here you go. So all I wanted was a pair 0:37:51.960 --> 0:37:55.759 of fucking new balances. But I take my shoes very seriously, right, 0:37:56.520 --> 0:37:58.360 and I'm like, Okay, I want a pair of new balances? 0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:01.200 What these are the prep like the parameters that I want? 0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:02.840 How am I going to get them? And my query 0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.120 kept getting longer and longer and longer and longer and 0:38:05.160 --> 0:38:07.960 longer because they can't into it things. So I was like, 0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.040 my foot size is this, This is the stuff that 0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:11.879 I have to deal with. This is the color I want, 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:13.680 this is the style that I want. These are the 0:38:13.719 --> 0:38:15.600 scenarios that I want to wear them, and these are 0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:17.360 the prices that I want to have. So it's like 0:38:17.400 --> 0:38:20.239 a fucking three paragraph prompt that I have to give, 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:23.040 and I'm asking all five of these different stupid AI 0:38:23.160 --> 0:38:27.200 browsers to just get me a pair of goddamn new balances, 0:38:27.920 --> 0:38:31.040 and it's just like that, I can't do it. 0:38:31.120 --> 0:38:34.359 Oh So I like browsing the Internet, not as much 0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:36.279 as I used to due to all the obstacles, but 0:38:36.560 --> 0:38:38.960 looking for a pair of shoes, looking for something in 0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:41.160 a store, that's kind of you know, you fuck around, 0:38:41.160 --> 0:38:42.760 you learn some stuff. It's kind of fun. 0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:46.120 Like, yeah, no, I did ruin once again, cursed tech beat. 0:38:46.320 --> 0:38:49.239 I did ruin my mental health just trying to bigger. 0:38:49.000 --> 0:38:51.560 Pair by three hundred word essay. 0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.840 Yeah, I mean the part of The enjoyment of purchasing 0:38:54.880 --> 0:38:57.040 something is to know that you got the thing that 0:38:57.080 --> 0:38:59.799 you want. You put the work in, you found the 0:39:00.120 --> 0:39:01.680 like I'm trying to I've been trying to buy the 0:39:01.719 --> 0:39:05.239 perfect set of towels for a little while and I'm 0:39:05.360 --> 0:39:06.879 and I was like, I was like, no, I don't 0:39:06.880 --> 0:39:09.919 want to get the Onsen towels that like the fake 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.799 Japanese towels. I want to find some real Japanese towel. 0:39:12.800 --> 0:39:14.640 And so I found out about like a variety of 0:39:14.719 --> 0:39:16.960 towel that's like only made in one town in Japan, 0:39:17.280 --> 0:39:19.640 trying to find the right vendor. And I know when 0:39:19.640 --> 0:39:21.360 I get the towels, I'm going to be like these, 0:39:21.719 --> 0:39:24.040 I went through something to get these right. And that's 0:39:24.040 --> 0:39:26.040 how people you want to feel about your new balances. 0:39:26.719 --> 0:39:27.840 These are so good. 0:39:28.000 --> 0:39:30.040 You want to I got the ones I put a 0:39:30.040 --> 0:39:32.279 little bit of sweat equity in. You want to be 0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.320 like I got some shoes. The computer bought me some shoes. 0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.640 Also, the computer doesn't listen. I said, I already have 0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:42.319 the perfect running shoe, right, I thought I found that 0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:47.160 I was stylistic. I want walking shoes. And what did 0:39:47.200 --> 0:39:50.600 it do? It gave me the fucking running shoes over 0:39:50.680 --> 0:39:52.680 and over and over again. I said I didn't want 0:39:52.760 --> 0:39:55.320 the running shoes. I wanted the walking shoes. 0:39:55.880 --> 0:39:56.120 Right. 0:39:56.960 --> 0:39:58.640 This is kind of like every one of these AI 0:39:58.719 --> 0:40:00.560 browsers I've read about. It's kind of the same things. 0:40:00.600 --> 0:40:03.279 Like imagine, if you will, you're seeing that you want 0:40:03.280 --> 0:40:05.360 to buy something, and there's just no way to do that. 0:40:05.440 --> 0:40:10.200 It's just like an alien, an alien that's never used anything. Yeah, 0:40:10.200 --> 0:40:12.279 how do we do anything? Oh, I'll type in and 0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:16.239 it's like, yeah, off the three minutes, it might do something. Right. Yeah, 0:40:16.239 --> 0:40:17.480 It's like fucking yeah. 0:40:17.520 --> 0:40:20.680 That's the that's the frust That's the frustrating thing about 0:40:20.880 --> 0:40:23.360 sitting in all of these panels in particular, is that 0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:26.000 it's like entering this alternate world where all of the 0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:29.879 technology works much better than it does, and people talk 0:40:29.920 --> 0:40:33.440 about it as if like, yeah, we deployed fifteen hundred agents, 0:40:33.560 --> 0:40:35.440 right that are you know, they're doing great work, And 0:40:35.480 --> 0:40:37.520 it's like, okay, but I'm looking at, for example, the 0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:40.880 statistics that Copilot released last year that about so or 0:40:40.880 --> 0:40:43.520 that were released about Copile last year that about seventy 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:47.240 percent of work tasks that it's tasked with, it fails 0:40:47.280 --> 0:40:49.919 at y right, because the agents are not functional yet. 0:40:50.000 --> 0:40:53.160 So I you know, I'm trying to tell Atlas chatgbt's 0:40:53.200 --> 0:40:56.399 thing to buy me these fucking new balances, and it's 0:40:56.480 --> 0:40:59.239 just like, oh, crap, there's a pop up. Let me 0:40:59.320 --> 0:41:02.400 try and close this pop up. Oh that didn't close 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:06.000 the pop up. Let me click more precisely at the 0:41:06.040 --> 0:41:09.560 coordinates and it's listing the coordinates on the site. Let 0:41:09.600 --> 0:41:11.400 me try and close the pop It took. 0:41:11.239 --> 0:41:12.760 Just gas fumes. 0:41:12.880 --> 0:41:15.920 It took five I'm watching it. It took five attempts 0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.600 for the AI to close the pop up a minute 0:41:18.640 --> 0:41:21.759 and thirty seconds. I'm just watching it, and I'm just like, 0:41:21.920 --> 0:41:23.000 Jesus fucking crazy. 0:41:23.400 --> 0:41:23.680 Close. 0:41:24.400 --> 0:41:25.919 It's narrating as it's doing. 0:41:26.160 --> 0:41:29.279 Yeah, yeah, yeah, it narrates. It goes just like, let 0:41:29.360 --> 0:41:31.160 me think about the best way that I can close 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:33.680 this pop up. It didn't seem like I clicked hard enough. 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:37.439 Let me look at the coordinates and click more precisely. Well, 0:41:37.440 --> 0:41:38.080 that didn't order. 0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:38.480 I know. 0:41:38.600 --> 0:41:40.960 The compute on that is also bonkers. 0:41:41.000 --> 0:41:43.920 You know that they boiled oceans to watch and AI 0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:46.200 struggle to close pop ups minute and. 0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:49.560 Seconds giraffes from the back of a truck into a 0:41:49.680 --> 0:41:52.680 furnace to make this like a guest turbine in a 0:41:52.760 --> 0:41:57.279 poor community in Texas. Yeah, many people got cancer and 0:41:57.320 --> 0:41:58.680 you didn't get the shoes you wanted. 0:41:58.880 --> 0:42:02.520 Yeah, And it's in between panels. A friend of mine 0:42:02.560 --> 0:42:04.520 back and Iportant sent me a video that's some guy 0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:07.680 I think in Tennessee recorded of like the sound of 0:42:07.760 --> 0:42:10.040 the data center that went up near its house. That's 0:42:10.160 --> 0:42:12.719 like this, I mean for months has just been this 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:16.920 like constant like droning beep noise thing, like like it 0:42:17.040 --> 0:42:20.240 just sounds awful. And so I'm I'm going in between 0:42:20.280 --> 0:42:24.240 these people talking about like you know and really focusing 0:42:24.280 --> 0:42:27.600 on how like AI's going to augment human capability and 0:42:28.040 --> 0:42:30.960 you know, these agents are are only getting more capable, 0:42:31.000 --> 0:42:33.640 and like we're going to be using this to like 0:42:33.760 --> 0:42:36.120 really set human creativity on fire. And then I'm like 0:42:36.120 --> 0:42:38.160 watching a video where a guy's like, yeah, now it 0:42:38.320 --> 0:42:44.359 screams every day, the internet screams every day outside my house. Yeah, 0:42:44.400 --> 0:42:46.279 And I'm looking at the statistics that show that like 0:42:46.320 --> 0:42:48.680 none of this stuff works as well as these people 0:42:48.800 --> 0:42:51.000 are are saying it does, right, like not to the 0:42:51.120 --> 0:42:53.720 extent that like I would want it doing a job 0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:59.759 that really matters, and I'm just so like in between that. 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:01.680 The other thing that I read while I was going 0:43:01.719 --> 0:43:04.480 in between sessions was an article that came out today 0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:08.800 about a patent Sony filed last year to basically create 0:43:09.040 --> 0:43:11.880 use an AI agent to play video games for you 0:43:11.920 --> 0:43:14.439 when you're trying to do something hard if you can't 0:43:14.680 --> 0:43:15.320 beat a boss. 0:43:16.120 --> 0:43:17.440 Did you see Razor stuff? 0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:20.160 Yeah, well, and that's the other crazy I haven't seen 0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.160 the booth yet though, but you want to talk about that. 0:43:22.200 --> 0:43:23.040 I saw that. 0:43:23.160 --> 0:43:26.480 I was in that really sweaty Venetian suite where they 0:43:26.520 --> 0:43:28.680 were giving the preview of the role a. 0:43:29.640 --> 0:43:30.600 You know, it's so crazy. 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:31.440 Oh my god. 0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:35.680 So they had two crazy AI concepts. First, this Project EVA, 0:43:35.800 --> 0:43:38.880 and the only way you can describe it is a 0:43:38.920 --> 0:43:42.960 little anime wife, the wife Tube. It's the wife Tube. 0:43:43.000 --> 0:43:46.400 It's a little desktop wife tube where the holographic anime 0:43:46.480 --> 0:43:49.160 wife who named Kia, and like there's a camera in 0:43:49.200 --> 0:43:51.160 the thing and so she's watching it and she's gone, 0:43:51.200 --> 0:43:54.960 like and it's based on grox Annie if you oh god, yeah, 0:43:56.360 --> 0:43:59.080 they did tell they did tell us like specifically that 0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:00.720 it was based on And I'm. 0:44:00.520 --> 0:44:02.440 Like, oh, did you ask if it was based on 0:44:02.480 --> 0:44:03.000 an adult. 0:44:03.680 --> 0:44:06.319 Well, I'll tell you what it's based on. Visually, if 0:44:06.360 --> 0:44:08.840 you ever watched the show Archer, there's like, yeah, creepy 0:44:08.880 --> 0:44:15.240 Sid has the Waifu hologround looks identical smaller. 0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:19.839 I was there with my colleague Antonio, who Tania, Oh god, 0:44:19.880 --> 0:44:22.680 sorry Antonio, because he does listen to your podcast, Antonio 0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.759 di Benedetto and he's our laptop reviewer. And so they're like, 0:44:25.840 --> 0:44:29.879 you know, Kira can help you when you're playing your game, 0:44:29.960 --> 0:44:33.200 and so he's playing like this a first person shooter 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:36.600 but it's just like a it's like not an actual level, 0:44:36.640 --> 0:44:40.000 so you can't die in this section. And she's like, oh, 0:44:40.239 --> 0:44:42.160 this is the gun you're holding is not the correct gun, 0:44:42.400 --> 0:44:44.560 and it's like, oh, you died and he didn't die. 0:44:44.800 --> 0:44:49.600 And then they like programmed, they programmed like, oh, so 0:44:49.680 --> 0:44:53.040 did you see anything really cool at cees and like 0:44:53.120 --> 0:44:56.160 this is how she talks because it's based on and 0:44:56.600 --> 0:44:59.799 he's like no, and she's like, oh that's cool. And 0:45:00.520 --> 0:45:04.160 but so you can have different like avatars doesn't have 0:45:04.160 --> 0:45:06.000 to be an AI wife who you can also have 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:10.480 Zane the AI husbando and he has like nake tattoos 0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:15.440 on there and it goes like, hang. 0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:17.439 On, I'm stuck. I need to ask the wife tube again. 0:45:18.520 --> 0:45:20.560 But like that's the whole point of games is that 0:45:20.600 --> 0:45:24.279 you're strugged, is that you're playing, that you're using the 0:45:24.360 --> 0:45:26.480 problem solving and all that, and it's just like, no, 0:45:26.600 --> 0:45:29.400 tell me how to beat this level. And all the 0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:31.880 time I talk to these companies and they're like, yeah. 0:45:31.920 --> 0:45:36.240 You're going to be able to yeah, because they're training 0:45:36.239 --> 0:45:38.400 it off of like YouTube videos of people playing the 0:45:38.480 --> 0:45:40.799 game too, which I also I just don't know if 0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:41.920 I believe it's going to work well. 0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:45.160 It is a pattern, so maybe Sony doesn't either, Like they. 0:45:45.080 --> 0:45:48.480 Are they showing the AI just like the video frames, 0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:49.560 like the literal. 0:45:49.400 --> 0:45:52.759 The YouTube video from the patent from what I haven't 0:45:52.760 --> 0:45:55.120 read the patent. I read an article about the patent application. 0:45:55.280 --> 0:45:56.160 That's what it sounds like. 0:45:56.239 --> 0:45:59.839 You could you could program an old fashioned AI, what 0:45:59.840 --> 0:46:02.200 we used to call AI in video games, just like 0:46:02.280 --> 0:46:03.120 you know and n PC. 0:46:03.480 --> 0:46:06.000 You could just when you're making a video game, you 0:46:06.080 --> 0:46:08.360 have the world state, you know, how the game works. 0:46:08.400 --> 0:46:11.560 You could just like have something in the game. I think, yeah, exactly, 0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:15.160 that like is part of the game. It's an artificial world. 0:46:15.200 --> 0:46:17.080 Why do you need to insult a game? 0:46:17.080 --> 0:46:20.440 I think this is like Aana. 0:46:20.960 --> 0:46:23.560 It didn't ask if we should actually fucking make Krtana. 0:46:24.480 --> 0:46:27.000 Losers just played Halo way too when they were in 0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:27.959 their formative years. 0:46:28.040 --> 0:46:31.279 Yes, I think a big mistake that they're making, or 0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:37.480 just which one. Well, look, there's such a big difference 0:46:37.680 --> 0:46:42.520 between a tool that extends or enhances human capability makes 0:46:42.560 --> 0:46:46.400 you more powerful, and you not doing it yourself and 0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:49.360 having someone else do it for you. I literally, just 0:46:49.400 --> 0:46:51.719 for the first time, hired an assistant because I the 0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.040 perfect person who I knew would do is such a 0:46:54.040 --> 0:46:56.239 great job for me, is available for a couple of months. 0:46:56.280 --> 0:47:00.360 So it's great you correspond with she's amazing, right, But 0:47:00.560 --> 0:47:02.360 like it's because I have worked with her before in 0:47:02.360 --> 0:47:04.920 a different capacity. I know she's amazing. I like trust 0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:06.919 her to do all these various things that I don't 0:47:06.960 --> 0:47:12.160 have to do myself anymore. But the moment that, like 0:47:12.360 --> 0:47:14.440 I work with someone who fucks something up, I'm like, well, 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:16.359 I can never work with the contract. I'm not going 0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:19.000 to assign things to them. And like versus, when I 0:47:19.040 --> 0:47:21.480 fuck something up with a tool that I'm using myself, 0:47:21.560 --> 0:47:23.080 I'm like, Okay, I need to do a little bit 0:47:23.080 --> 0:47:26.839 better or whatever. Like the experience of those things is 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:29.760 so fundamentally different. The use cases for them is different, 0:47:30.000 --> 0:47:32.480 the sort of person who wants to do them is different. 0:47:33.000 --> 0:47:35.960 And so like, I don't know, like for into it 0:47:36.080 --> 0:47:38.800 to be a company that goes from you know, here's 0:47:38.920 --> 0:47:41.879 tax software that helps you do your own taxes if 0:47:41.880 --> 0:47:48.000 you would really like to do that, and yes, but 0:47:48.200 --> 0:47:51.200 like to go from that to now we will automatic 0:47:51.280 --> 0:47:55.240 will be an automatic accountant. Is like they don't understand 0:47:55.239 --> 0:47:56.600 the gulf that they're trying to jump. 0:47:56.640 --> 0:47:58.960 Now, well, it's because they misunderstand. It's kind of the 0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:02.320 ongoing thing of See, it's like people that don't experience 0:48:02.360 --> 0:48:04.960 the problems they're trying to fix. Because the best assistant, 0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.239 to your point is someone that you kind of hand 0:48:07.280 --> 0:48:10.160 stuff up, like my written edits to Matt Hughes. The 0:48:10.200 --> 0:48:13.120 whole reason Matt works well with me is he can anticipate, 0:48:13.280 --> 0:48:15.439 like he kind of gets my thing and he knows yeah, 0:48:15.440 --> 0:48:17.279 and I can trust him to get it without me 0:48:17.320 --> 0:48:19.279 having to I don't know, give a three hundred word 0:48:19.360 --> 0:48:23.600 prompt to explain every nuance because so much. 0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:25.920 Handholding and I don't want to hand hold an assistant. 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:27.560 That's the whole fucking the whole point. 0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:32.160 Yeah, it's handholding. And it's also like picking having an 0:48:32.160 --> 0:48:35.120 assistant to do the things you wouldn't have an assistant do, 0:48:35.440 --> 0:48:38.880 like I don't play a video game for you. Yeah, 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:42.799 but there's so much of it is focused on, like 0:48:42.920 --> 0:48:48.200 the the tasks that are deeply human. Like whenever I 0:48:48.280 --> 0:48:51.279 hear like this AI can help you brainstorm, it's like, well, no, 0:48:51.360 --> 0:48:54.319 it can't. That's not how brainstorming works. Someone else can't 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:55.319 brainstorm for you. 0:48:55.440 --> 0:48:56.480 That's not You're. 0:48:56.360 --> 0:48:58.880 Just talking to yourself in the mirror. But the mirror 0:48:58.920 --> 0:48:59.480 is a chapla. 0:48:59.719 --> 0:49:02.360 Yeah, and you were hoping to plagiarize a good idea 0:49:02.440 --> 0:49:05.279 from the chatbot that itself is built from plagiarism, which 0:49:05.320 --> 0:49:06.840 I also feel like is a mistake. 0:49:08.040 --> 0:49:11.920 But regurgitating thought into your own brain and the hopes 0:49:11.920 --> 0:49:13.040 and new idea comes out. 0:49:13.440 --> 0:49:16.680 Yeah, I mean, like I've talked about this before, my 0:49:17.280 --> 0:49:19.839 most positive experience with chat GPT was I was trying 0:49:19.840 --> 0:49:24.000 to decide whether to get myself a little apartment in 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:25.799 New York and I'll talk to you about this, yeah, right, 0:49:26.040 --> 0:49:28.239 whether it's a good financial decision, and I plug into 0:49:28.280 --> 0:49:30.680 chat GPT. Hey, here's all the numbers, and like, is 0:49:30.680 --> 0:49:31.200 this a good thing? 0:49:31.920 --> 0:49:32.120 You know? 0:49:32.160 --> 0:49:34.200 Would this be a big mistake? And it sort of goes, no, 0:49:34.280 --> 0:49:35.880 it wouldn't be a big mistake. You could do that. 0:49:35.920 --> 0:49:37.200 If you want it, you can do it. And then 0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:38.880 I'm like, okay, but what about the fact that I 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.120 can't sublet it? Oh, that means it's bad. 0:49:41.200 --> 0:49:42.200 Now you shouldn't do it. 0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:42.839 Now you're fine. 0:49:42.880 --> 0:49:44.480 Oh, but what about the fact that it's kind of 0:49:44.480 --> 0:49:46.239 important to me. Well, if it's really important to you, 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:49.200 you should do it. And I did actually find that clarifying, 0:49:49.400 --> 0:49:50.960 like it did help me think through it all. 0:49:51.000 --> 0:49:53.000 But just agreed with your lost statement. 0:49:53.840 --> 0:49:55.360 I was talking to myself in the mirror. 0:49:55.640 --> 0:49:58.319 The only that's the most useful it is it's like 0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:02.200 you need to talk out loud to yourself, to myself, 0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:04.719 you can, But sometimes I can do that to you people. 0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:07.400 If you answer all my texts for some reason, because 0:50:07.640 --> 0:50:08.480 my friend. 0:50:08.160 --> 0:50:10.359 And I love you, like that's why I do it, 0:50:10.760 --> 0:50:13.440 because I care about you and want you to be happy. 0:50:13.640 --> 0:50:14.560 And the chat ball. 0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:16.640 Doesn't can't, No, the chatbot doesn't care. 0:50:16.880 --> 0:50:20.239 I actually wonder if my latent like actual autism is 0:50:20.280 --> 0:50:22.560 mounting myself on the show. Like, that's why it doesn't work, 0:50:22.600 --> 0:50:24.759 because when every time I've tried anything like this and 0:50:24.880 --> 0:50:27.000 just like just talk it to my fucking self, Why 0:50:27.000 --> 0:50:28.160 are you agreeing with me on everything? 0:50:28.719 --> 0:50:31.200 But I mean like that's because that's you, like to 0:50:31.239 --> 0:50:33.640 be real, that's I know. I'm talking to myself on 0:50:33.719 --> 0:50:35.720 that too. It's just like it just doesn't work. 0:50:35.840 --> 0:50:37.799 Like I literally have tried to do the things. I'm 0:50:37.840 --> 0:50:41.000 just like, no, just like there's a blog. I'm just 0:50:41.000 --> 0:50:42.959 like it's just repeating more just faking said. 0:50:43.080 --> 0:50:45.320 Yeah. No, you're like you have to know the artifice 0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:47.319 in order to get to a point where you're like, 0:50:47.440 --> 0:50:49.600 if you understand that you're talking to yourself, you're just 0:50:49.640 --> 0:50:53.360 thinking aloud in a different format, it can be helpful 0:50:53.760 --> 0:50:56.799 if you understand that that's what you're doing. People don't 0:50:56.880 --> 0:50:58.960 understand that's what they're doing. That's why they're getting the 0:50:58.960 --> 0:51:03.759 AI psychosis. Yeah, they're mistaking this for a friend. It's 0:51:03.840 --> 0:51:05.120 not a friend, it's literally a person. 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:10.080 Yeah. I will say one thing that was interesting to me. 0:51:10.239 --> 0:51:12.640 I did a panel that was Intelligence through Motion AI 0:51:12.680 --> 0:51:15.320 takes physical form, and it was about like robots, robots 0:51:15.320 --> 0:51:19.080 with AI in them. It was actually the better one 0:51:19.120 --> 0:51:21.480 of the day. There was not much that was silly, 0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:23.680 and it was I think it was a really good 0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:27.319 example of like how you ought to be responsibly talking 0:51:27.320 --> 0:51:29.800 about and thinking about products like this. So one of 0:51:29.800 --> 0:51:32.239 the people who was there was Andrea Thomas, who's the 0:51:32.239 --> 0:51:36.160 co founder and CEO of Diligent Robotics, and they've built 0:51:36.200 --> 0:51:39.040 a robot that is basically an assistant for doctors and 0:51:39.160 --> 0:51:42.680 nurses at the hospital, not doing medical stuff. But like, 0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:44.440 the thing that she pointed out is when we because 0:51:44.600 --> 0:51:46.520 we started and this was the first thing they liked. 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:49.800 We started not with a product idea, but by talking 0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:51.960 to a bunch of doctors and nurses and figuring out, like, 0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:53.880 what are the different jobs you have. And one of 0:51:53.880 --> 0:51:56.640 the things they figured out is that nurses in particular, 0:51:56.680 --> 0:52:00.479 spend a shitload of time every day running stuff back 0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:02.879 and forth through the hospital, and so like, well, if 0:52:02.880 --> 0:52:05.359 we have a robot that can move things and can 0:52:05.400 --> 0:52:08.600 potentially move refrigerated things or move things that you have 0:52:08.640 --> 0:52:11.960 to be very careful when carrying, then a skilled, trained 0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:14.600 human being isn't doing that bullshit work and they can 0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:18.000 do more medical work. And there's not enough medical profession 0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:21.279 that's effectively a convey about right right, which that's more 0:52:21.320 --> 0:52:22.920 maneuverable than a conveyor because it can go. 0:52:22.960 --> 0:52:25.359 But the point is like it's useful because it's moving 0:52:25.360 --> 0:52:27.320 stuff between places, right right. 0:52:27.400 --> 0:52:30.319 And I believe there was some talk about other like 0:52:30.320 --> 0:52:32.560 they're looking at adding other capabilities, but the way that 0:52:32.600 --> 0:52:34.319 they were thinking about it were, well, first, we're going 0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:36.960 to talk to the people who we want to we 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:40.240 want to be making products that will be used in hospitals. 0:52:40.280 --> 0:52:41.960 Let's talk to people who work in hospitals to see 0:52:41.960 --> 0:52:45.600 where it's useful. And then the other thing that they 0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:47.760 said during that this was something a couple other people 0:52:47.880 --> 0:52:50.560 pointed out, is that you have to when you're talking 0:52:50.600 --> 0:52:54.040 about building products that human beings will be working alongside 0:52:54.160 --> 0:52:57.960 in an industrial capacity, you have to assume that there 0:52:58.000 --> 0:53:01.520 will be failures and build that in because otherwise you're 0:53:01.600 --> 0:53:04.000 taking risks with people's lives. Right, So you have to 0:53:04.000 --> 0:53:06.799 be figuring out, we want this thing to fail when 0:53:06.880 --> 0:53:08.840 it does, because it will in a way that doesn't 0:53:08.920 --> 0:53:11.040 endanger human beings. How do we build that in from 0:53:11.080 --> 0:53:13.560 the ground up. This is like a fundamental assumption it 0:53:13.600 --> 0:53:15.480 will fail. We need to make sure it fails in 0:53:15.480 --> 0:53:17.160 a way that does not lead to it crushing or 0:53:17.239 --> 0:53:20.000 killing people because it's going to be around them, And 0:53:20.080 --> 0:53:21.880 so I really appreciate it. And it was such a 0:53:22.160 --> 0:53:26.759 that was such a gap to me from how everyone else. 0:53:27.320 --> 0:53:30.239 I'm used to other people talking about this a lot more. 0:53:30.040 --> 0:53:33.560 In the health techomy, right, yeah, because the stakes are 0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:35.919 so high. Yeah, you know, like all the tech people 0:53:35.960 --> 0:53:40.840 are like break shit, disrupt, but like medicine is like, no, no, 0:53:40.960 --> 0:53:42.000 don't break the people. 0:53:42.400 --> 0:53:43.680 Something's already broken. 0:53:43.880 --> 0:53:45.400 They're broken already. 0:53:45.520 --> 0:53:45.759 Yeah. 0:53:47.080 --> 0:53:49.279 Yeah, I think one of the barriers to that though, 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:50.960 And this is not even me being cynical. It is 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:53.359 just you ask people what the problems are and then 0:53:53.360 --> 0:53:55.480 you go, oh, you're an LM. Can't do that sorry. 0:53:55.520 --> 0:53:57.759 Like the answer is the problems that you have are 0:53:57.800 --> 0:54:01.480 not fixable with the technology we have NAT like housing 0:54:01.640 --> 0:54:04.600 and health like health stuff. It's like there are very 0:54:04.600 --> 0:54:08.400 big limitations because of medical device clearance. But also just well. 0:54:08.280 --> 0:54:11.279 Technology is streamlining, right, like if you think about the 0:54:11.719 --> 0:54:14.360 like I just remember this from a macro acinemic class 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:18.359 in college. But like all technology does is it moves 0:54:18.360 --> 0:54:21.520 the curve up. It doesn't. It doesn't like change the 0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:23.560 angle of the curve or whatnot. It just you know, 0:54:24.120 --> 0:54:27.359 allows you to do more. So it's about streamlining things. 0:54:27.400 --> 0:54:31.000 It's not about fixing problems. It's about finding things that 0:54:31.080 --> 0:54:34.240 you could do more efficiently. Being more efficient doesn't fix 0:54:34.320 --> 0:54:38.840 the problem, right, different, it's two different streams that you're approaching, 0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:41.440 but they're conflating it by being like, if you're efficient, 0:54:41.480 --> 0:54:45.000 you fix the problems. Like, no, the problem isn't always efficiency. 0:54:45.239 --> 0:54:47.480 Yeah, and you know, I mean the thing I think 0:54:47.520 --> 0:54:50.680 about a lot is what I'm in any city, but 0:54:50.800 --> 0:54:52.879 especially New York or LA where I spend a lot 0:54:52.880 --> 0:54:55.719 of time. It's like the physical infrastructure is so bad. 0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:58.640 But everybody has cell phones right, right, Like no one's 0:54:58.680 --> 0:55:01.319 even like oh, homeless people have We know, everybody has 0:55:01.360 --> 0:55:03.440 cell phones, like because the price of them is so 0:55:03.560 --> 0:55:05.839 cheap and and you can do a lot with them. 0:55:05.840 --> 0:55:08.839 But like there's potholes, the trains don't run right, and 0:55:08.920 --> 0:55:13.240 like those are the problems in society, and the fact 0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:16.960 that we have you know, high technology in these particular 0:55:17.040 --> 0:55:19.400 areas but not in like the rest of our society 0:55:19.480 --> 0:55:21.480 is like a weird distortion. We all know this. We 0:55:21.520 --> 0:55:24.000 don't think about it often enough. But like what you're 0:55:24.080 --> 0:55:27.960 talking about is is this AI will like push that 0:55:28.040 --> 0:55:32.200 distortion even further. Yeah, in the best case scenario and 0:55:32.280 --> 0:55:34.960 people like you know, Simon Wilson or whatever will have 0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:38.360 like some crazy agentic shit happening. You know, like they'll 0:55:38.440 --> 0:55:42.160 they'll be you know, in some fucking matrix and everybody 0:55:42.160 --> 0:55:45.000 else will be like, how do I buy food? 0:55:45.360 --> 0:55:48.640 Someone Willisson be trying to draw a Pelican on a bicycle. 0:55:48.640 --> 0:55:50.839 I think that's the one thing that's literally the test 0:55:50.920 --> 0:55:53.120 thrones on every LM. But yeah, Willison is kind of 0:55:53.120 --> 0:55:55.680 realistic about and yeah, yeah, to your point, Robert, with 0:55:55.680 --> 0:55:59.560 that panel, it's like, yeah, we're talking about this fantasy land. 0:55:59.600 --> 0:56:02.120 But even when we so during the Nvidia conference, it 0:56:02.200 --> 0:56:04.239 was talking about yeah, and now agents are getting even 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:05.200 more powerful in doing this. 0:56:05.719 --> 0:56:07.480 They're not well yeah, no they're not. 0:56:07.560 --> 0:56:10.359 But also gun to your head, explain what that means, like, 0:56:10.440 --> 0:56:13.640 because I regularly am arguing with people about this online 0:56:13.680 --> 0:56:14.600 perpetual that. 0:56:14.640 --> 0:56:16.920 Was they're talking about the agents and the consumerism and 0:56:16.960 --> 0:56:19.960 the commerce aspect of agents just because that's the only 0:56:20.040 --> 0:56:22.320 way they have a chance of making them. 0:56:22.840 --> 0:56:25.560 Such a lack of specificity, like that is the thing 0:56:25.600 --> 0:56:28.720 that is most like in like the first three panels 0:56:28.719 --> 0:56:30.360 I did, all of which were one way or the 0:56:30.400 --> 0:56:32.640 other talking about like agents and their ability to like 0:56:32.719 --> 0:56:36.680 improve productivity and creativity. There was an exam exactly one 0:56:36.760 --> 0:56:40.920 specific example of a thing that people used AI, like 0:56:40.960 --> 0:56:44.279 that a marketing or company used AI to do for marketing, right, 0:56:44.280 --> 0:56:47.440 because these were all fairly marketing focused, and it was 0:56:47.920 --> 0:56:51.040 specifically it was the company that makes Allegra had like 0:56:51.040 --> 0:56:54.200 a new non drowsy formula, and they engaged in what 0:56:54.400 --> 0:56:57.200 the the I think it was a deloittte I forget, 0:56:57.200 --> 0:56:59.280 I forget who who said this, it's in my notes, 0:56:59.719 --> 0:57:02.080 but what the person who was talking about it described 0:57:02.120 --> 0:57:06.000 as model hacking to basically put out a bunch of 0:57:06.040 --> 0:57:11.960 content so that chetch ept would repeatedly scrape articles or 0:57:12.040 --> 0:57:14.920 whatnot that talked about how Allegra was non drowsy, so 0:57:14.920 --> 0:57:18.439 that if people asked questions about it, the LLLM would 0:57:18.440 --> 0:57:21.880 return both always would say l Allegra is non drowsy, 0:57:21.960 --> 0:57:24.640 would like put that before the word Allegra, and would 0:57:24.720 --> 0:57:29.600 like subtly talk about other allergy medicines causing drowsiness. And 0:57:29.640 --> 0:57:31.360 they were talking about like and that's like a really 0:57:31.400 --> 0:57:34.640 great example like the this is like a strategy developed 0:57:34.720 --> 0:57:38.240 using AI that like, uh is not what we couldn't 0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.640 have done marketing like this before. It couldn't possibly have 0:57:40.680 --> 0:57:43.360 come up with a way to reverse. Yeah, first off, 0:57:43.400 --> 0:57:46.720 like you're you're the most specific example of the use 0:57:46.760 --> 0:57:51.280 of this technology in advertising is disinformation. Yeah right, basically 0:57:51.920 --> 0:57:56.440 you know, or at least that yeah, on that spectrum. 0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:59.440 And that probably costs thousands of dogs, Like probably so 0:58:00.120 --> 0:58:03.960 thousands of articles or whatever just fed into the training 0:58:04.400 --> 0:58:05.560 Jesus fucking Christ. 0:58:05.800 --> 0:58:08.720 Well, and at the same time, they're talking about how 0:58:08.760 --> 0:58:11.400 important trust is and that like you have to be 0:58:11.520 --> 0:58:14.360 you have to keep and there's yeah as they lie 0:58:14.360 --> 0:58:16.280 and they're like, well, you know, people only trust you, 0:58:16.400 --> 0:58:18.760 will only trust your AI as much as they trust 0:58:18.760 --> 0:58:20.960 your company, So it's really about like having a good 0:58:21.000 --> 0:58:23.040 bread so the other way round. 0:58:23.280 --> 0:58:24.480 Well, that's what kind. 0:58:24.320 --> 0:58:26.200 Of what I took it as them saying is that like, look, 0:58:26.560 --> 0:58:29.320 people don't trust AI, but they still have some trust 0:58:29.360 --> 0:58:32.120 for specific brands. So if you really want to, like 0:58:32.400 --> 0:58:35.160 there's a limited period of time for. 0:58:34.720 --> 0:58:36.280 For that trust to stay alive. 0:58:36.360 --> 0:58:38.520 It feels like blow it up. 0:58:38.720 --> 0:58:42.560 Yeah, that's honest to god, makes the show more boring. 0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:46.200 Yeah, it really, it's all fucking AI ship. 0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:46.760 Yeah. 0:58:46.800 --> 0:58:49.240 Like the stuff I was popping for was there was 0:58:49.280 --> 0:58:51.520 a robot lawnmower that could go up a hill. 0:58:51.640 --> 0:58:52.200 Yeah, see that. 0:58:52.640 --> 0:58:57.160 All the robots are getting GEN again. Look like Gen's coverage. 0:58:57.160 --> 0:59:00.400 It's just about how last year the robots had arms, 0:59:00.440 --> 0:59:03.480 This year the robots have legs. 0:59:03.800 --> 0:59:05.120 Next year, big old Willie. 0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:06.800 There was also a. 0:59:07.320 --> 0:59:09.480 There was we were I was talking about the jerk 0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:12.920 off robot last time. But first I saw there was 0:59:12.920 --> 0:59:14.880 a robot called beat Bot, and it said. 0:59:14.880 --> 0:59:15.960 That was like a masturbation. 0:59:16.800 --> 0:59:19.320 That wasn't It was that nothing beats beat bot, and 0:59:19.360 --> 0:59:20.440 I was like, this is a masturbation. 0:59:20.920 --> 0:59:21.080 Great. 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:23.680 It turns out it's a little robot that swims in 0:59:23.720 --> 0:59:26.080 your pool and cleans your pool. And I think maybe 0:59:26.080 --> 0:59:28.120 it's also the Bluetooth speaker, and I was like, it's 0:59:28.160 --> 0:59:28.760 like a pool room. 0:59:28.760 --> 0:59:32.080 But also you didn't if you were going to if 0:59:32.120 --> 0:59:35.600 there's any good call for a hybridized robot, a combination 0:59:35.760 --> 0:59:39.480 pool robot or gas and robot, like make the sexy 0:59:39.560 --> 0:59:44.400 pool boy a robot. 0:59:43.800 --> 0:59:48.320 And it's just doing that weird song from you remember 0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.560 that one. Yeah, there was the offbeat song the guy 0:59:50.640 --> 0:59:52.760 was claiming he would only have sex to No. No 0:59:53.040 --> 0:59:54.919 one remembers that. No, just oh god. 0:59:57.040 --> 0:59:59.640 Yeah, you can market it to Richmond with like wives 0:59:59.640 --> 1:00:01.560 in their tow twenties where you're like, look, your wife 1:00:01.600 --> 1:00:03.600 is going to cheat on you with the cabana boy. 1:00:03.920 --> 1:00:08.320 Just make sure it's a robot cabana book. 1:00:08.640 --> 1:00:10.360 What you look depressed? 1:00:10.360 --> 1:00:13.440 Honey? Do you need some time with the cabana bot? 1:00:13.480 --> 1:00:14.080 On new music? 1:00:14.520 --> 1:00:17.360 Genuinely the best, one of the best use cases for 1:00:17.520 --> 1:00:19.400 generative AI has sex stuff like it. 1:00:19.680 --> 1:00:21.480 It's certainly one of the most. 1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:26.520 Use Sorry, as someone who was subjected to testing Annie 1:00:26.640 --> 1:00:30.960 the Grock sexpot, Jesus that was damaging, you might have. 1:00:30.920 --> 1:00:33.840 A workman's comp Yeah. 1:00:33.000 --> 1:00:35.400 Listen, I keep asking for hazard pay at the Verge 1:00:35.480 --> 1:00:38.440 dot com and for my title to change to Senior 1:00:38.480 --> 1:00:42.080 Curse tech Reviewer. It's not happened yet. It's not happened yet. 1:00:42.240 --> 1:00:45.000 But I did have to test Annie, and boy did she. 1:00:45.840 --> 1:00:50.520 Yeah noticed, Like the only people who are really making 1:00:50.600 --> 1:00:54.560 good use of like Sora style videos are niche fetish 1:00:54.600 --> 1:00:57.720 communities on the Internet who have been able to move 1:00:57.760 --> 1:01:00.640 from writing fan fiction for each other because that's a 1:01:00.720 --> 1:01:03.520 cheap thing where they can, you know, have make media 1:01:03.560 --> 1:01:06.240 for each other. Now they can make little videos they're 1:01:06.440 --> 1:01:08.680 making and they're so happy there. 1:01:09.400 --> 1:01:12.240 Okay, but AI doesn't know how to animate tongues. And 1:01:12.280 --> 1:01:14.760 I know this because again my job is cursed, and 1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:18.720 I had to I had to test these AI video 1:01:19.000 --> 1:01:27.000 generating more men kissing, making the AI kiss each other. No, 1:01:27.040 --> 1:01:30.160 they don't, they don't. They don't understand how tongues work. 1:01:30.240 --> 1:01:33.200 It's just a little Jensen Wong said that the new 1:01:33.320 --> 1:01:39.000 generation Vera Ruben is four times more powerful for training. 1:01:39.440 --> 1:01:42.640 So maybe that's the Jensen Huang's bring the tongues in. 1:01:43.080 --> 1:01:45.480 But sadly we are go, we're gonna have to end 1:01:45.480 --> 1:01:47.840 this thirty second. The next thing coming up is an 1:01:47.840 --> 1:01:50.720 ad for a tongue training models. And if you hear 1:01:50.800 --> 1:01:54.120 something else that's an error. Whatever it is, just ignore 1:01:54.160 --> 1:01:56.520 it because we're meant to. It's the tongue training app. 1:01:57.160 --> 1:01:59.040 But before we get to the tongue training app, Robert 1:01:59.080 --> 1:01:59.920 has a very important man. 1:02:00.520 --> 1:02:02.840 So I came across the booth during the brief time 1:02:02.880 --> 1:02:05.480 I spent on the floor today of a robotics company 1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:07.840 called Zeroith, which I think is a reference to the 1:02:07.920 --> 1:02:10.680 laws of robotics, and you know, you had the normal 1:02:10.760 --> 1:02:13.120 laws and there was the zero with law, YadA, YadA, YadA. Anyway, 1:02:13.120 --> 1:02:14.960 we don't need to get into Asimov right now, but 1:02:15.000 --> 1:02:17.160 it's they had a whole booklet. I actually thought these 1:02:17.160 --> 1:02:19.280 were like notebooks at first, but every page of this 1:02:19.320 --> 1:02:23.000 is printed, explaining the vision for their company and the 1:02:23.080 --> 1:02:26.400 robots they make. The origin story. I'm just going to 1:02:26.480 --> 1:02:30.080 read a little bit from here, Okay. The prevailing narrative 1:02:30.080 --> 1:02:32.600 in robotics has long been one of replacement and utility, 1:02:32.720 --> 1:02:35.560 Robots as instruments of precision, built for efficiency and stripped 1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:39.040 of warmth. Yet from across the long memory of civilization, 1:02:39.160 --> 1:02:41.880 the impulse to create was never merely mechanical. From yan 1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:45.120 Shies graceful wooden automaton and ancient China to Tallos, the 1:02:45.120 --> 1:02:48.200 bronze guardian of crete, our earliest machines were not tools. 1:02:48.240 --> 1:02:51.800 There were mirrors, reflections of an ancient longing too, with 1:02:51.840 --> 1:02:55.520 the reflections of an ancient longing to understand ourselves. Zero 1:02:55.640 --> 1:03:00.840 withth emerges from that unbroken thread of imagination and hearing that, 1:03:00.960 --> 1:03:03.160 and there's so much more flowery pros. I need you 1:03:03.200 --> 1:03:05.000 all to see. The robot that they wrote that. 1:03:05.120 --> 1:03:11.200 Okay, let's let's take it. 1:03:12.080 --> 1:03:15.520 Why is he wearing a little Zo Polo shirt? 1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:17.240 I love that that's your first question. 1:03:17.600 --> 1:03:20.320 So listeners at home, what they've got is a robot 1:03:20.360 --> 1:03:23.400 that looks kind of like a cross between Elon Musk's 1:03:23.400 --> 1:03:27.560 shitty robot and a guy in a fencing helmet. It 1:03:27.640 --> 1:03:30.040 can't stand on its own power. They have like a 1:03:30.200 --> 1:03:33.400 sex harness built that's like standing it up. That's like 1:03:33.960 --> 1:03:37.320 so it doesn't fall on its ass, and they put 1:03:37.320 --> 1:03:39.600 an awkward T shirt on it, I think, to hide 1:03:39.640 --> 1:03:40.640 the straps. 1:03:40.200 --> 1:03:41.800 From the thing that keeps it standing. 1:03:42.200 --> 1:03:47.360 Jesus fucking this is the consumer electronic show everyone. This 1:03:47.440 --> 1:03:49.680 is yeah, they did. They are lying to you. Any 1:03:49.880 --> 1:03:53.000 motherfucker that tells you that robotics ry is coming, they're 1:03:53.040 --> 1:03:55.440 fucking lying anyway. If this is an AI add off 1:03:55.440 --> 1:04:10.640 to this, that's the fucking problem. Diane. I'm once again 1:04:10.680 --> 1:04:13.000 in scenic Las Vegas, and the locals are staring at 1:04:13.000 --> 1:04:14.760 me with daggers in their eyes as I insist on 1:04:14.800 --> 1:04:17.840 podcasting further. After rotating cubes in my head all day, 1:04:17.880 --> 1:04:20.400 I'm now rotating. My guests joining me once again is 1:04:20.440 --> 1:04:25.360 victorious song of the Vergine, not remotely. You're wonderful and 1:04:25.400 --> 1:04:27.480 your very popular listeners love you as well. It's important 1:04:27.480 --> 1:04:28.240 for you to hear this. 1:04:28.600 --> 1:04:29.400 Not from my ego. 1:04:30.200 --> 1:04:32.920 You need the ego. Ed On Guaiso, Junior of the 1:04:32.920 --> 1:04:37.680 Tech Bubble newsletter and the incredible, wonderful stand up comedian. 1:04:37.760 --> 1:04:40.160 The start of the movie is this thing on. Chloe 1:04:40.240 --> 1:04:41.440 Radcliffe is joining us? 1:04:41.520 --> 1:04:43.760 Yeah, what is hell? 1:04:44.800 --> 1:04:45.880 Your first ces? 1:04:46.240 --> 1:04:46.680 Yeah? 1:04:46.960 --> 1:04:47.520 What do you think? 1:04:47.600 --> 1:04:52.080 I'm a cees virgin? Wow, there's so many boys. 1:04:53.880 --> 1:04:56.200 It's crazy boy. 1:04:56.280 --> 1:05:00.120 No, no, no, no, there's so many hairlines. Is I 1:05:00.120 --> 1:05:05.440 should stay a lot of balls? Yeah, a lot of combs, Yeah, 1:05:05.480 --> 1:05:08.440 a lot of a lot of comb comb over ponytails. 1:05:08.760 --> 1:05:10.320 Offer any hair stuff? 1:05:10.560 --> 1:05:11.160 Yes they do. 1:05:12.640 --> 1:05:15.360 Did you go to go to Eureka Park? There's always 1:05:15.360 --> 1:05:19.800 someone who has like some led hair bands situation and 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:21.439 it's yeah that's good. 1:05:21.680 --> 1:05:24.880 Yeah. So Chloe, you'll first ces. Have you seen anything 1:05:25.360 --> 1:05:26.400 that's stuck in your brain? 1:05:27.560 --> 1:05:30.640 My biggest take has so far from being on the 1:05:30.640 --> 1:05:34.320 floor for a pretty limited amount of time, is that 1:05:34.400 --> 1:05:36.919 the theme is numbers that you don't need. 1:05:37.360 --> 1:05:38.640 Okay. 1:05:39.160 --> 1:05:43.480 I stopped at a booth that had a smart dog cage. 1:05:43.920 --> 1:05:45.080 Oh, the smart pet crate. 1:05:45.160 --> 1:05:47.880 Yeah, yeah, smart pet crate and it tells you your 1:05:48.040 --> 1:05:52.640 dog's It tells you your dog's heart rate and breathing rate, 1:05:52.920 --> 1:05:55.280 and then it also tells you the distance between the 1:05:55.320 --> 1:05:56.960 top of the cage and the dog. 1:05:57.120 --> 1:05:59.320 Welcome to my useless numbers. 1:05:59.480 --> 1:06:02.440 Uselessnessnumbers, And I said to the guy I was, I like, 1:06:02.440 --> 1:06:04.520 stopped and was Lena, And I was like, well, why 1:06:04.520 --> 1:06:06.560 do you need the distance from the top of the 1:06:06.600 --> 1:06:08.960 cage to the top of the dog? And he goes, well, 1:06:08.960 --> 1:06:11.400 that's how you know whether the dog is moving or not. 1:06:11.720 --> 1:06:13.840 And I was like, yeah, but you just look and 1:06:13.880 --> 1:06:15.800 he goes, well, but you're like looking at your app 1:06:15.840 --> 1:06:17.840 and so you want to know maybe if the number, 1:06:18.160 --> 1:06:20.080 if the number has stayed static for a little while, 1:06:20.120 --> 1:06:28.640 maybe the dog has died. I said yeah, but wouldn't 1:06:28.640 --> 1:06:33.040 you know that from the other numbers like heart right. 1:06:36.840 --> 1:06:38.800 To take your dog dead. 1:06:39.360 --> 1:06:42.880 They're gonna ramp up to four hundred biometrics. That's something. 1:06:44.440 --> 1:06:53.000 Your dog is Lena Dunham Inde. I love that well 1:06:53.040 --> 1:06:56.400 because it's like, if the dog's moving, couldn't emotion sense, 1:06:57.600 --> 1:06:58.440 I mean, there's so. 1:06:58.600 --> 1:07:03.360 Many things, couldn't We already have pet camps whoever has 1:07:03.480 --> 1:07:04.080 whoever is. 1:07:04.040 --> 1:07:06.040 Buying a smart pet crate also. 1:07:05.880 --> 1:07:09.040 Already has a video camera trained on that dark's crane. 1:07:09.360 --> 1:07:12.680 That person is not doing smart crate over pet camp and. 1:07:12.600 --> 1:07:14.360 They're like, hey, can you look at this graft? 1:07:14.400 --> 1:07:19.240 Do you think I've got I've got two cats and 1:07:19.320 --> 1:07:23.040 a lot of cat tech. I don't need a crate. No, 1:07:23.880 --> 1:07:26.800 Like I got auto feeder. It has a little camera. 1:07:27.800 --> 1:07:29.360 And we did that because when we went to Italy, 1:07:29.440 --> 1:07:30.800 I was just like, I got to make sure these 1:07:30.960 --> 1:07:34.400 dumb cats are eating in between pet sitter visits. And 1:07:34.680 --> 1:07:38.000 literally day one I'm in Italy, I watched my cat 1:07:38.120 --> 1:07:44.560 look at me through the camera. It's pissed, knock cat rage, and. 1:07:45.360 --> 1:07:48.160 I do need to ask if the cats were not 1:07:48.240 --> 1:07:51.200 eating between feed feeders, between pet sitters. 1:07:51.280 --> 1:07:52.720 Yeah, what were you gonna do for me? 1:07:53.240 --> 1:07:53.600 Nothing? 1:07:54.040 --> 1:07:54.400 Nothing. 1:07:54.520 --> 1:07:57.040 I was gonna call the pet sitter and be crazy 1:07:57.120 --> 1:08:00.720 lady and be like, my extremely ro ton nineteen point 1:08:00.800 --> 1:08:03.040 five pound cat is not eating. 1:08:03.360 --> 1:08:06.200 It's now living off its own body fat and it 1:08:06.240 --> 1:08:09.800 will be fun. Yeah, and it has enough calories to 1:08:09.800 --> 1:08:12.960 support it enough. But yeah, So I mean that's the thing. 1:08:13.040 --> 1:08:15.920 I think that like all of these numbers that my 1:08:16.040 --> 1:08:19.040 theme of numbers that you don't need. What they wind 1:08:19.120 --> 1:08:22.720 up filtering into is anxiety. Oh yeah, it's like too 1:08:22.800 --> 1:08:24.960 much information leads to anxiety. 1:08:24.960 --> 1:08:29.920 Senior cursed tech reviewer. Because I I'd test wearable. I 1:08:30.000 --> 1:08:33.000 have useless numbers for humans, yes all the time. Yeah, 1:08:33.040 --> 1:08:37.280 and just I'm completely overwhelmed and over inundated, and yeah, 1:08:37.680 --> 1:08:38.719 it's very accurate. 1:08:38.800 --> 1:08:41.960 It would drive me insane all of the sleep tech 1:08:42.360 --> 1:08:44.560 I'm The thing is that I'm like sort of the 1:08:44.600 --> 1:08:47.719 wrong person to be here because I'm like, stay away 1:08:47.760 --> 1:08:51.120 from me with your with your numbers and your vibrations. 1:08:51.400 --> 1:08:53.640 Having you here is good. We need that kind of 1:08:53.720 --> 1:08:56.360 energy because there's too many perverts here. Like, actually, we 1:08:56.400 --> 1:08:59.280 need enough number so we know how the space between 1:08:59.320 --> 1:09:01.439 your dog and the seeing the crate, but what if 1:09:01.439 --> 1:09:02.639 about what about the sides? 1:09:03.160 --> 1:09:04.559 Yeah, how are they going to get that? 1:09:05.000 --> 1:09:06.760 And also just I love the idea of getting a 1:09:06.800 --> 1:09:09.960 notification about what does notification say your dog is this tall? 1:09:11.120 --> 1:09:12.160 We've measured your dog. 1:09:12.400 --> 1:09:15.679 Like the smart little robots they're now having like cameras 1:09:15.680 --> 1:09:18.479 so you can watch your cat go into the little 1:09:18.640 --> 1:09:19.719 robot to piss. 1:09:20.080 --> 1:09:24.759 Wow, they already, they say, already weigh the cats as well, 1:09:24.880 --> 1:09:27.320 so you can see how much my like I can. 1:09:27.560 --> 1:09:29.640 I can literally look into an app and go like, 1:09:29.720 --> 1:09:32.720 oh you lost zero point five pounds on that douchie, 1:09:32.840 --> 1:09:36.120 good for you. 1:09:36.160 --> 1:09:36.960 What do you mean eating? 1:09:37.000 --> 1:09:37.240 Brother? 1:09:38.320 --> 1:09:38.559 Brother? 1:09:39.560 --> 1:09:41.599 The only exception is is if I have a cat 1:09:41.600 --> 1:09:45.920 with a urinary thing, how my beautiful, big, beautiful and annoying, 1:09:45.960 --> 1:09:48.519 just like daddy. But he is this beautiful cat who 1:09:48.760 --> 1:09:51.320 he occasionally has pe problems. But you can mostly just 1:09:51.439 --> 1:09:53.880 get that by looking at your cat like you're just 1:09:53.960 --> 1:09:56.680 checking occasionally be like, oh, okay, he hasn't paid in 1:09:56.680 --> 1:09:59.200 a while. I don't need a four hundred and fifty 1:09:59.240 --> 1:10:02.200 dollars WiFi connected thing to be like, are you sure? 1:10:03.360 --> 1:10:04.559 I think that's how much they know? 1:10:05.439 --> 1:10:07.160 They're like eight hundred dollars. 1:10:07.680 --> 1:10:10.200 Fuck off, Sorry not to you, but the cat thing, Yeah, 1:10:11.080 --> 1:10:12.439 how much do you love your cat? 1:10:12.760 --> 1:10:16.920 I love my cat so much. But a beautiful ARMANI suit. 1:10:16.960 --> 1:10:21.080 I assume god he'd look fetching. He's a big, big, 1:10:21.160 --> 1:10:24.720 white and ginger cat. Oh my god. No, I did 1:10:24.800 --> 1:10:26.240 get him a bow tie at one point. 1:10:27.960 --> 1:10:30.680 Off, Oh I hear it. Yeah, I used to get 1:10:30.720 --> 1:10:31.160 my cats. 1:10:31.439 --> 1:10:33.320 I had the both ties with bells so I could 1:10:33.360 --> 1:10:35.439 hear them because they would disappear into yeah, I didn't 1:10:35.439 --> 1:10:37.360 know where in the house, and they always would rip 1:10:37.400 --> 1:10:40.439 them off and leave them yeah outside. 1:10:40.000 --> 1:10:42.439 Like a real fuck you, like just like that's where 1:10:42.439 --> 1:10:46.320 that ship goes, right, don't don't put bells on me. Yeah. 1:10:46.840 --> 1:10:49.000 I put a little cats on, a little tie on 1:10:49.080 --> 1:10:50.920 him as well. Once. There's so many good things you 1:10:50.920 --> 1:10:52.600 can do with the cat, none of which involve an 1:10:52.600 --> 1:10:55.160 eight hundred and fifty dollars piss measurer. 1:10:56.240 --> 1:10:59.799 One time I tied a balloon around a tortoise. Didn't 1:11:00.320 --> 1:11:02.720 why because we kept losing it. 1:11:02.760 --> 1:11:06.320 I lived and it kept getting stuck under the radiator, 1:11:06.800 --> 1:11:08.519 but then we wouldn't find it for a couple of days. 1:11:08.640 --> 1:11:12.320 She was fine, but kept was just smoking around the 1:11:12.280 --> 1:11:13.519 apoblem with the ball. 1:11:15.360 --> 1:11:16.479 Told version of up. 1:11:16.880 --> 1:11:19.600 Yeah, she was trying to get taken away. 1:11:19.840 --> 1:11:22.879 That should be at the but at the consumer electronic 1:11:22.880 --> 1:11:25.920 show would probably be like a wearable tortoise tracker with. 1:11:27.600 --> 1:11:30.360 No no, you can steal a balloon, you can ruin 1:11:30.439 --> 1:11:32.120 a kid's day to get your tortoise found. 1:11:32.240 --> 1:11:34.360 They would have like an optical tracker to read the 1:11:34.360 --> 1:11:37.479 tortoises temperature and it's art right, so you go to 1:11:37.560 --> 1:11:39.880 her app and be like, is my reptile alive? 1:11:40.600 --> 1:11:42.759 Is what happened to you? It's just a tool slowly 1:11:42.840 --> 1:11:46.880 walking ye seven hundred dollars. 1:11:47.240 --> 1:11:50.120 There's this video from an account I followed because of 1:11:50.160 --> 1:11:52.040 this video where they have a tortoise and they have 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:55.839 a cat and the tortoise has a skateboard to follow 1:11:55.880 --> 1:11:59.040 the cat around all day and harassium, that's the tech 1:11:59.080 --> 1:11:59.479 I would get. 1:11:59.600 --> 1:12:01.960 That's, you know, a little skateboard for my little guys. 1:12:02.000 --> 1:12:03.439 You know, someday we're all gonna go. 1:12:03.400 --> 1:12:09.760 Back, so is cats and skateboards. That's the real technology. 1:12:10.200 --> 1:12:12.719 Did you get any other numbers that didn't that don't 1:12:12.760 --> 1:12:13.920 match or make you upset? 1:12:14.760 --> 1:12:16.679 There was a there was a sleep bot. 1:12:17.000 --> 1:12:17.280 Nice. 1:12:17.400 --> 1:12:18.880 I think I'm calling it the right thing. 1:12:18.920 --> 1:12:25.000 It's a it's a smart pillow, okay, and uh it 1:12:25.120 --> 1:12:27.759 seems like the actually useful thing is that it's filled 1:12:27.760 --> 1:12:30.960 with these little like pneumatic air sacks that inflate or 1:12:30.960 --> 1:12:35.400 deflate based on your snoring to stop you from and. 1:12:35.320 --> 1:12:38.440 That that beds. Yeah, okay, that seems. 1:12:38.160 --> 1:12:39.040 Right, like I can buy that. 1:12:39.120 --> 1:12:42.280 It's like that that that passes the sniff test. But 1:12:42.479 --> 1:12:45.680 this pillow also when you're When it senses your head 1:12:45.720 --> 1:12:49.240 is on the pillow, it turns off your lights, It 1:12:49.320 --> 1:12:53.160 turns off your uh speaker if you have a speaker plane, 1:12:53.400 --> 1:12:55.880 it closes your curtains for you automatically, and then it 1:12:56.760 --> 1:12:59.640 this is not a lie, texts your family that you 1:12:59.680 --> 1:13:00.559 are asleep. 1:13:02.479 --> 1:13:04.800 And I took pictures. 1:13:04.080 --> 1:13:08.960 Of pillow for a prison you know, I'm. 1:13:08.840 --> 1:13:11.200 Going to close. I'm reading. 1:13:11.280 --> 1:13:13.680 I'm reading the example text that it has sending a 1:13:13.720 --> 1:13:19.880 message to the family. Cassie Oscar has been detected lying down. Wow, 1:13:22.960 --> 1:13:26.240 Jimmy Oscar has been detected, lying down. 1:13:28.280 --> 1:13:30.040 I am I am not making this up. 1:13:30.479 --> 1:13:35.800 Doctor Larry Calibracy, Oscar has been detected lying down. 1:13:38.240 --> 1:13:42.080 Text he has this is this is a prison pillow. 1:13:42.280 --> 1:13:43.920 Yeah, this is just for what you do. 1:13:43.960 --> 1:13:45.479 If you got that text, I. 1:13:46.960 --> 1:13:51.120 Would be horrified. So funny, I mean everyone, and of 1:13:51.120 --> 1:13:53.080 course everyone who comes to see yes with me has 1:13:53.120 --> 1:13:55.559 to use I love the odor as well. That you're 1:13:55.600 --> 1:13:58.160 just going to bed, your your blind's rope and all 1:13:58.200 --> 1:14:00.160 of the lights are on you just blaring core when 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:03.400 I assume and I have no way of doing any 1:14:03.439 --> 1:14:08.040 of this myself, So just my pillow will psychopath I know. 1:14:08.080 --> 1:14:10.880 Sleep tech is all about like optimization. That's why my 1:14:10.920 --> 1:14:14.920 newsletters called like an optomizer. This whole beat of health 1:14:15.000 --> 1:14:17.080 tech and all that is just about having the most 1:14:17.120 --> 1:14:21.600 optimal something right. So they're like, oh, science shows that 1:14:21.640 --> 1:14:24.519 if you sleep in like X, y Z conditions, you'll 1:14:24.560 --> 1:14:28.559 sleep so good, So have a pillow, close all of 1:14:28.600 --> 1:14:32.360 these things so you're in the most optimal sleep environment whatever, 1:14:32.400 --> 1:14:34.559 and like, yeah, it is good to have an optimal 1:14:34.600 --> 1:14:36.360 sleep environment. It is good for you to do all 1:14:36.400 --> 1:14:38.880 that stuff. But you don't need to fucking text your 1:14:38.920 --> 1:14:41.519 doctor calib races about your sleeping. 1:14:41.640 --> 1:14:44.160 That would be such a strange text to receive, like 1:14:44.280 --> 1:14:46.639 he is, and especially with the way it was written, 1:14:46.760 --> 1:14:48.760 like Galactus. 1:14:49.680 --> 1:14:50.640 Hated. 1:14:51.560 --> 1:14:57.280 Also, the smart pillow doesn't like smooth out your bed 1:14:57.280 --> 1:14:59.479 sheets for you, you know, like all of this stuff 1:14:59.479 --> 1:15:04.960 that actually make it everything that actually makes sleeping good, 1:15:05.479 --> 1:15:08.080 which is like wear the right clothes for you to 1:15:08.160 --> 1:15:10.160 sleep in and. 1:15:10.720 --> 1:15:11.920 Have the right bed you know. 1:15:11.960 --> 1:15:15.559 It's like, I've done the digital sh I've done so 1:15:15.760 --> 1:15:19.000 much sleep tech testing, and the only thing that's really 1:15:19.040 --> 1:15:21.599 worked for me and my spouse is unfortunately, a five 1:15:21.640 --> 1:15:24.879 thousand dollars smart mattress cover, which. 1:15:24.720 --> 1:15:29.760 Is yeah, I burn. I pay for one as well, 1:15:30.400 --> 1:15:32.280 and like people made fun of it because of the 1:15:32.320 --> 1:15:34.840 a WS thing when it went down, your bed wouldn't work. Yeah, 1:15:35.400 --> 1:15:37.000 that happens to me. 1:15:37.280 --> 1:15:39.360 I think it happened. It definitely happened. 1:15:39.439 --> 1:15:41.880 Like I need to sleep in an ice coffin, like 1:15:41.960 --> 1:15:45.559 I just my poor girlfriend, just like even for her, 1:15:46.120 --> 1:15:48.080 I'm just like, yeah, this is I sleep at fifty 1:15:48.120 --> 1:15:50.240 degrees like Dracula. 1:15:50.479 --> 1:15:53.280 It saves marriages and relationships because you could sleep at 1:15:53.280 --> 1:15:55.840 different temperatures. I need to be a cozy little a 1:15:55.840 --> 1:15:57.519 cozy little gal normal. 1:15:58.080 --> 1:15:59.680 Yeah, I need to be a little book bug in 1:15:59.680 --> 1:16:00.000 a rug. 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:02.840 I need to be like toasty. And my spouse also 1:16:02.960 --> 1:16:06.200 needs to be a corpse so we can set different temperatures. 1:16:06.200 --> 1:16:07.440 I need to set to Dracula. 1:16:07.600 --> 1:16:10.080 Yeah. And you know, they snore, and it used to 1:16:10.120 --> 1:16:13.120 be a thing where every every like day, I would 1:16:13.200 --> 1:16:15.439 hear them storing and I'd be like, what fuck up? 1:16:15.479 --> 1:16:17.800 So I can sleep? But now the bed actually just 1:16:17.880 --> 1:16:21.360 lifts when it detects and snoring on his side, no 1:16:21.479 --> 1:16:23.840 on our side. So sometimes I go like, oh it's moving, 1:16:23.880 --> 1:16:26.000 and I will fall right back asleep. But you know, 1:16:26.080 --> 1:16:28.479 ever since that happened, he doesn't wake me up snoring anymore. 1:16:28.479 --> 1:16:30.439 That's good, Like it's saved our marriage. 1:16:30.439 --> 1:16:35.439 Wow, this is unfortunately you're selling me on this discover But. 1:16:35.479 --> 1:16:38.240 Unfortunately it also comes with useless numbers, Like how can. 1:16:38.080 --> 1:16:41.880 I useless number? Here's my psychopath thing? Though I have 1:16:41.920 --> 1:16:43.559 my numbers for my eight sleep and I have my 1:16:43.640 --> 1:16:45.800 numbers for my aura ring and they disagree all the time. 1:16:46.240 --> 1:16:46.640 I love it. 1:16:46.760 --> 1:16:49.200 Yeah, same is like long term tusting that. 1:16:49.479 --> 1:16:51.680 My favorite thing was I posted because I also use 1:16:51.760 --> 1:16:54.360 so many which is the thing that electrocutes for Actually 1:16:54.360 --> 1:16:57.559 what I love it. It's this thing that electrocute you head. 1:16:57.720 --> 1:17:00.280 It sounds insane. Just best not to think too hard. 1:17:00.600 --> 1:17:02.760 But like I posted my numbers on Blue Sky once, 1:17:02.760 --> 1:17:04.559 which was a mistake, and so it was immediate like 1:17:04.560 --> 1:17:07.519 you're not getting enough deep sleep, you should be really concerned. 1:17:07.560 --> 1:17:09.880 I'm like, I really had to stop myself being like 1:17:09.960 --> 1:17:10.160 kill you. 1:17:10.760 --> 1:17:13.160 To be clear, the or ring is like they do 1:17:13.160 --> 1:17:14.559 a lot of science, they do a lot of research. 1:17:14.560 --> 1:17:16.519 They're only about like I want to say, seventy nine 1:17:16.520 --> 1:17:21.040 percent correlation between the gold standard of polysomnography. That's what 1:17:21.160 --> 1:17:26.680 are you guys dreaming a lot? No, I do have medications. 1:17:27.360 --> 1:17:28.960 Dream that'll do. 1:17:29.360 --> 1:17:32.679 My new medications are giving me night terrors really bad. 1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:34.400 I heard them going. 1:17:35.960 --> 1:17:39.240 I was like, you gott he's listening to no, no, 1:17:39.280 --> 1:17:40.400 he was listening to this stuff. 1:17:40.479 --> 1:17:45.280 But he lied down on this pillow. You know he 1:17:45.680 --> 1:17:48.120 has night terrors. Yeah. He strikes me to kind of 1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:50.519 just wake up, like, yeah, I used. 1:17:50.400 --> 1:17:51.920 To think when he went to sleep he would just 1:17:51.960 --> 1:17:53.080 be in his memory palace. 1:17:53.200 --> 1:17:58.240 Yeah, exactly, like regarding it. Yeah, that's the thing that's well, 1:17:58.240 --> 1:18:00.720 it's like the basic things for sleep, like is it 1:18:00.840 --> 1:18:02.760 light in there or dark in there? Are you the 1:18:02.840 --> 1:18:06.000 right temperature? Are you comfortable? And it's like, yeah, but 1:18:06.040 --> 1:18:08.360 what if the pillow did all this ship you already? 1:18:08.640 --> 1:18:10.439 I asked. I asked the people at the booth. 1:18:10.560 --> 1:18:12.559 I was like, but what if I want to lay 1:18:12.600 --> 1:18:14.720 in bed and not have the lights out? 1:18:14.800 --> 1:18:15.280 Yeah? 1:18:15.320 --> 1:18:19.519 And he goes, well, you'd have to put another pillow 1:18:19.520 --> 1:18:19.960 on top. 1:18:25.200 --> 1:18:29.200 What's great? What's so good about that? It is likely 1:18:29.320 --> 1:18:32.080 no one has asked them that. You're the first person 1:18:32.560 --> 1:18:34.880 to be like, what if I am in bed but 1:18:35.000 --> 1:18:39.320 not sleeping yet? He's like, fuck, how much was this? 1:18:39.439 --> 1:18:40.280 Did he give you a price? 1:18:40.320 --> 1:18:41.880 I didn't even ask I should have asked. 1:18:41.880 --> 1:18:42.680 It's probably, like. 1:18:42.720 --> 1:18:46.400 It's probably my estimate is six hundred yeah, five dollars. 1:18:47.080 --> 1:18:48.439 It's always stupid. 1:18:48.560 --> 1:18:50.439 N you could go on like eBay and get some 1:18:50.479 --> 1:18:54.080 like really nice sheets that will like some like Crisp Bokale. 1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:57.360 Perhaps I've tested smart pillows in the past, but like 1:18:57.400 --> 1:18:59.479 it was a very different smart pillow was testing like 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:00.680 my breathing rate? 1:19:00.680 --> 1:19:01.160 Why not? 1:19:01.280 --> 1:19:03.160 But it was also like it had a speaker in 1:19:03.200 --> 1:19:06.479 there so you could listen to your podcast to fall 1:19:06.520 --> 1:19:09.200 asleep in your smart pillow. And I was like, this 1:19:09.320 --> 1:19:11.000 is dumb. It's so dumb. 1:19:11.560 --> 1:19:13.920 I'm someone who you know, I'm not trying to optimize sleep, 1:19:13.960 --> 1:19:17.200 but I do value the dream pertion of it. So 1:19:17.520 --> 1:19:19.880 is there really is for someone like me who's just 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:22.800 like I, you know, I'm interested in deeper sleep. Does 1:19:22.840 --> 1:19:26.040 it make sense to go on the journey of trying 1:19:26.040 --> 1:19:29.439 out the smart attach it or should I just invest in. 1:19:30.400 --> 1:19:30.639 I can't. 1:19:30.680 --> 1:19:31.960 I don't dream on melatonin? 1:19:32.080 --> 1:19:32.639 What about trust? 1:19:33.720 --> 1:19:36.519 Usually melatonin will make your dream super intense? 1:19:37.680 --> 1:19:38.200 I wake up? 1:19:38.240 --> 1:19:40.920 What about magnesium, the one that doesn't make you poop? 1:19:41.560 --> 1:19:42.439 I haven't done what is it? 1:19:42.520 --> 1:19:42.720 I know? 1:19:42.760 --> 1:19:43.760 I haven't I haven't tried a. 1:19:43.680 --> 1:19:46.760 Magnesium I think it's magnesium glyconate makes you sleep, and 1:19:46.800 --> 1:19:48.679 magnesium sit trate makes you. 1:19:48.600 --> 1:19:53.479 Ship relaxes you. Magnesium healthy aine. And then there's also 1:19:54.040 --> 1:19:56.679 you could try a GLP because one of the side 1:19:56.720 --> 1:19:58.719 effects of that is intensely vivid dream. 1:19:58.840 --> 1:20:01.280 Oh yeah, I mean you know, I like I lucid 1:20:01.360 --> 1:20:04.880 dream regularly, which is why I'm like, okay, I'll do 1:20:04.920 --> 1:20:10.040 anything as accept whatever goes and fringes on that. But 1:20:10.360 --> 1:20:13.080 I've never thought too much about doing the tech beyond, 1:20:13.080 --> 1:20:15.080 like I'll just invest in really nice sheet, you know, 1:20:15.240 --> 1:20:17.360 and just to get myself really comfort. 1:20:17.400 --> 1:20:20.200 The sleep measurement stuff sucks, but I really love the keat. 1:20:20.280 --> 1:20:22.880 I love the cold. I love the fact control over 1:20:22.880 --> 1:20:26.320 the end. I burn half I sleep and I look 1:20:26.360 --> 1:20:29.160 and I have like a full scale like blackout eye mask. 1:20:29.280 --> 1:20:31.960 I have a giant sheet. I like curl myself up 1:20:31.960 --> 1:20:34.400 in a ball. It's probably not great, Like it's probably 1:20:34.479 --> 1:20:36.720 not a great sign. And I'm just like cold and 1:20:36.800 --> 1:20:39.400 like wrapped in this thing like I've just blacked at, 1:20:39.439 --> 1:20:41.280 like and I wake up when my alarm goes off 1:20:41.280 --> 1:20:43.400 and not a moment earlier. It's fucking great. I mean, 1:20:43.439 --> 1:20:45.360 I write constantly I think like, this is the only 1:20:45.439 --> 1:20:49.320 reason I can just like endless sleep. But it's again, 1:20:49.760 --> 1:20:52.040 the numbers do fucking nothing for me. I wake up 1:20:52.080 --> 1:20:54.280 feeling like shit, It's like you didn't sleep enough. Thank you? 1:20:54.439 --> 1:20:56.479 Yeah. For me, the numbers make it so much worse 1:20:56.520 --> 1:21:01.479 because mostly if I'm having trouble sleeping, then a huge 1:21:01.479 --> 1:21:04.320 proportion of my brain is fixated on I am not 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:07.439 sleeping and that is bad. And so then to have 1:21:07.560 --> 1:21:09.120 when they're like, this is going to help you sleep better, 1:21:09.160 --> 1:21:11.400 I'm like, no, no, no, it's gonna remind me how badly 1:21:11.439 --> 1:21:13.400 I'm sleeping, and that's going to make me sleep so 1:21:13.600 --> 1:21:16.479 much worse because every night when I lay down, it's 1:21:16.479 --> 1:21:18.280 gonna be like, well, tonight has to be the night 1:21:18.520 --> 1:21:20.240 that it is good now. 1:21:20.720 --> 1:21:23.320 And get you loved ones get a text saying she's 1:21:23.360 --> 1:21:23.960 not sleeping. 1:21:24.960 --> 1:21:27.880 Chloe has been detected lying down, but has not been 1:21:27.920 --> 1:21:30.200 detected unconscious yet. 1:21:30.360 --> 1:21:34.479 Chloe has violated the rules of the Billows Sleep bought that. 1:21:34.479 --> 1:21:38.040 That matric is called sleep latency. It sucks. 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:40.720 Yeah, what's the what how long it takes you to. 1:21:40.680 --> 1:21:43.519 Sleep, how long until you try to go to sleep, 1:21:43.600 --> 1:21:46.040 and how when you actually fall asleep it's called sleep 1:21:46.080 --> 1:21:49.320 latencyy and you can kind of measure certain things by that. 1:21:49.400 --> 1:21:52.679 It's it's bullshit occasionally bullshit, but it's bullshit. 1:21:52.800 --> 1:21:55.240 I occasionally really like I'll get like a two minute 1:21:55.240 --> 1:21:56.000 one of the fuck. 1:21:56.120 --> 1:21:58.920 Yeah, well, like all it does. All it does is 1:21:58.960 --> 1:22:01.320 if you have a sleep and see under fifteen minutes, 1:22:01.320 --> 1:22:03.040 it just means you're really fucking tired. 1:22:03.000 --> 1:22:06.719 And that's bad. Interesting. Yeah, wait, you mean like healthy 1:22:06.760 --> 1:22:07.439 people have. 1:22:07.600 --> 1:22:09.080 About fifteen minutes to fall asleep. 1:22:09.880 --> 1:22:13.320 Interesting, that's like a normal Take that boyfriend. 1:22:13.000 --> 1:22:14.360 Yeah, like you're falling. 1:22:14.400 --> 1:22:16.800 He falls asleep in forty five seconds. It's like if 1:22:17.040 --> 1:22:19.120 and then highlight there he helps angry. 1:22:20.520 --> 1:22:23.040 Listening to him, get this peaceful rest that I should 1:22:23.040 --> 1:22:23.639 be enjoying. 1:22:24.560 --> 1:22:28.080 I'm like, you fall asleep too quickly. 1:22:28.640 --> 1:22:32.120 It could be one hour yesterday, Jesus Christ. Yeah, okay, 1:22:33.080 --> 1:22:37.679 seventeen six minutes, two days ago, thirteen sixteen and seven, 1:22:38.640 --> 1:22:45.160 seven sixteen, twenty eight, eight thirty three, one fucking fucking 1:22:45.240 --> 1:22:49.559 lost Friday, one minute, just fucking I think I was 1:22:49.560 --> 1:22:51.679 like in a moment with my girlfriend, I'm very happy. 1:22:51.760 --> 1:22:55.040 So that's lovely. Under that layer, all you. 1:22:55.080 --> 1:22:57.960 Need is like a baseline and like the only point 1:22:57.960 --> 1:22:59.920 of these numbers is to build a long term base, 1:23:00.240 --> 1:23:02.960 and when you're off the baseline, you go like, oh, okay, 1:23:03.479 --> 1:23:04.800 maybe happened to me. 1:23:05.000 --> 1:23:07.479 It's yet again to go back to sort of the 1:23:07.479 --> 1:23:10.479 theme of earlier, don't you know when you're off the 1:23:10.520 --> 1:23:14.120 baseline by I'm having trouble sleeping lately? 1:23:14.439 --> 1:23:17.160 Yeah, I'm having trouble to sleep. Like. 1:23:17.200 --> 1:23:18.760 The whole point of this is that they're trying to 1:23:18.800 --> 1:23:22.120 do something like illness prediction, and there is science that 1:23:22.160 --> 1:23:24.200 they can do that. Like during COVID they. 1:23:24.080 --> 1:23:27.160 Were yeah, or is not great of that? 1:23:27.280 --> 1:23:27.840 It actually is. 1:23:28.080 --> 1:23:29.120 It hasn't been great for me. 1:23:29.560 --> 1:23:31.880 I've gotten it where like the symptom radar is just 1:23:31.880 --> 1:23:33.679 like you're getting sick and then I would get sick, 1:23:33.760 --> 1:23:35.559 so like, but you know, it's not that helpful because 1:23:35.600 --> 1:23:37.080 it's like a forty eight hour button. 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:40.160 Though again I know I'm like, I know my throat 1:23:40.160 --> 1:23:42.479 has a tiny tickle, I'm about to get sick. 1:23:43.160 --> 1:23:45.680 Like all of this stuff came from like when they 1:23:45.680 --> 1:23:49.240 were doing COVID research because it's asymptomatics. Okay, get like 1:23:49.320 --> 1:23:50.559 that sort of like, but. 1:23:50.479 --> 1:23:53.040 This is the thing with all this wellness shit. It's 1:23:53.080 --> 1:23:55.040 like well, you can't be mad at us that it 1:23:55.120 --> 1:23:56.880 isn't really useful, because once it. 1:23:56.880 --> 1:23:59.960 Was snake oil. That's my beat, snake. 1:23:59.640 --> 1:24:02.599 Oil, snake oil cussed feet. 1:24:02.960 --> 1:24:05.760 Yeah, I just I just sit here and go like, no, 1:24:06.000 --> 1:24:08.360 that's not true, No that's not true. Here's the nuance. 1:24:08.360 --> 1:24:09.920 And everyone yells at me and they're like you're a 1:24:09.920 --> 1:24:11.680 big farmer shell and I'm like, no, I'm not. 1:24:11.840 --> 1:24:13.080 What the fuck does that? I mean, what do you 1:24:13.120 --> 1:24:14.320 mean a big farma shoe? 1:24:14.400 --> 1:24:16.920 Oh. I wrote a story recently about the wellness wild West. 1:24:17.000 --> 1:24:19.080 It's kind of like a storyline that I read about 1:24:19.080 --> 1:24:21.240 a lot, and I was talking about how people shouldn't 1:24:21.240 --> 1:24:25.280 be injecting unapproved drugs. Ideally, even if it. 1:24:25.800 --> 1:24:28.640 Peptides, yes, Chinese peptide. 1:24:28.320 --> 1:24:31.360 Don't don't do that. Don't take GOLP three. It's not 1:24:31.520 --> 1:24:34.280 actually a GOLP three because the only people with access 1:24:34.320 --> 1:24:37.720 to the proprietary components to that is Eli Lilly. So 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:41.200 whatever you're getting from China is almost one not a 1:24:41.280 --> 1:24:41.760 gil and. 1:24:41.680 --> 1:24:43.800 You're not seeing GOP three is a problem. Just getting 1:24:43.800 --> 1:24:46.000 it from an unlicensed getting it from. 1:24:45.840 --> 1:24:49.080 An unlicensed Chinese pharmacist is not a great idea. Bub 1:24:49.240 --> 1:24:52.080 reconstituting it yourself. You are not a pharmacist. I don't 1:24:52.080 --> 1:24:55.200 see any of you on TikTok using fucking sterile ingredients 1:24:55.280 --> 1:24:58.559 or sterile instruments or whatnot. Like I said that and 1:24:58.600 --> 1:25:02.759 they were like, fucking big sh pharma's shill. I can't 1:25:02.760 --> 1:25:06.639 believe me saying don't use unapproved drugs. Is me being 1:25:06.680 --> 1:25:07.439 a big farmer. 1:25:07.280 --> 1:25:10.880 Show I'm this week, I'm using the new viral GLP. 1:25:11.080 --> 1:25:14.200 From REDDA and Rada tu weey because there, you know 1:25:14.280 --> 1:25:16.360 the the videos. It was like, oh my god, here's 1:25:16.360 --> 1:25:18.280 week one on read. I'm like, first of all, you're 1:25:18.280 --> 1:25:23.200 not on REDDA, You're on some other fucking co The 1:25:23.200 --> 1:25:25.439 The thing that they're calling GLP three, which is also 1:25:25.520 --> 1:25:28.160 like not the correct way to call it, is redd 1:25:28.200 --> 1:25:28.960 a true tide. 1:25:29.080 --> 1:25:32.000 I feel like if you describe this like a hunt, 1:25:32.080 --> 1:25:34.760 like I went to a mysterious man who handed me 1:25:34.840 --> 1:25:36.400 some pills, you'd be like, yeah, that sounds bad, you 1:25:36.400 --> 1:25:37.960 should go to the doctor. But this is like, well, 1:25:38.000 --> 1:25:39.520 not because I got it from the internet. 1:25:39.800 --> 1:25:43.599 Yeah, I just was reading an article about peptides. Because 1:25:44.360 --> 1:25:47.200 not because I was like would those make my life better? 1:25:47.360 --> 1:25:50.880 Not certainly, not that Not because I was thinking about 1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:54.280 trying them, and I read an article and there was 1:25:54.360 --> 1:25:57.040 somebody was quoted. Somebody was just saying, like, they're all 1:25:57.080 --> 1:26:01.160 over Silicon Valley and uh, like this crew, you know, 1:26:01.240 --> 1:26:04.080 Crypto loves them, AI loves them whatever whatever else, this 1:26:04.160 --> 1:26:08.280 other thing loves them. And whoever was quoted said, the 1:26:08.360 --> 1:26:11.679 only group that's a little more skeptical is uh. Anybody 1:26:11.680 --> 1:26:14.000 who works in biotech is a little bit more skeptical. 1:26:14.080 --> 1:26:16.479 But they're just so in the pocket of the FDA, 1:26:16.680 --> 1:26:20.639 or they're so they're so uh they like bow down 1:26:20.680 --> 1:26:23.080 to the FDA. And I was like, well, the other 1:26:23.160 --> 1:26:26.880 interpretation is they this is the world that they work in, 1:26:26.960 --> 1:26:30.320 and they're steeped in way, way, way more information than 1:26:30.320 --> 1:26:33.920 somebody who works in crypto is about peptides specifically, So 1:26:34.439 --> 1:26:36.719 maybe their skepticism is like healthy and ractional. 1:26:36.840 --> 1:26:39.000 It's partly like little like the FDA doesn't want you 1:26:39.080 --> 1:26:41.240 to have that. And I get where that's coming from, 1:26:41.600 --> 1:26:44.920 because you know, healthcare sucks in our country, it's expensive. 1:26:45.080 --> 1:26:48.280 These things could be helpful, but you're getting blocked from it. 1:26:48.360 --> 1:26:51.160 They are trying to, you know, make sure that they're 1:26:51.200 --> 1:26:52.880 making the most amount of money of it. Those are 1:26:52.920 --> 1:26:56.120 all true things, But the FDA exists. We have these 1:26:56.120 --> 1:27:01.240 regulations because people fucking died. People died before, Like this 1:27:01.280 --> 1:27:04.759 is how people die or get really adverse effects because 1:27:05.479 --> 1:27:08.800 I don't know, but doctor matt On TikTok, who is 1:27:08.960 --> 1:27:12.000 most certainly not an actual doctor, telling you how to 1:27:12.120 --> 1:27:17.519 dose gray market Chinese peptides from like things you bought 1:27:17.560 --> 1:27:21.040 from Amazon. I'm sorry when you're in the comments and 1:27:21.080 --> 1:27:23.160 you're like, oh, yeah, I was vomiting uncontrollably. 1:27:23.320 --> 1:27:24.600 Oh I wonder why. 1:27:24.880 --> 1:27:28.559 I'm just doing weight loss math math. 1:27:28.680 --> 1:27:31.960 I had such a distant sense of the GLP once 1:27:31.960 --> 1:27:35.200 because I've been learning about them from the way in 1:27:35.200 --> 1:27:40.440 which they're displacing insulin production in a lot of places, 1:27:40.520 --> 1:27:44.719 and I hadn't had a good sense of the extent 1:27:44.760 --> 1:27:47.840 to which I was like, oh, why are they calling 1:27:47.880 --> 1:27:51.080 them Chinese peptides so incessantly? And that piece was interesting, 1:27:51.120 --> 1:27:54.960 and that time piece was interested in laying out one 1:27:55.080 --> 1:27:59.120 Silicon Valley's obsession with them and also making click into 1:27:59.160 --> 1:28:02.640 sense that I feel like we're seeing others subcultures be like, 1:28:02.640 --> 1:28:05.040 well like, yeah, of course you got to do it yourself. 1:28:05.080 --> 1:28:06.640 Of course you got a looks Max. Of course you 1:28:06.720 --> 1:28:10.360 gotta yeah, you know, like uh optimization. 1:28:10.080 --> 1:28:10.639 Yes exactly. 1:28:10.840 --> 1:28:13.040 I just want to be abundantly clear about something. By 1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:15.040 the way, we're not saying g o P one is 1:28:15.080 --> 1:28:18.160 a bad thing, like it's totally fine. I just want 1:28:18.160 --> 1:28:19.960 to be really abundantly to developed. I mean. 1:28:19.960 --> 1:28:21.880 And one of the use cases is for like, you know, 1:28:21.920 --> 1:28:24.760 if you have, for example, diabetes. You know that, you 1:28:24.800 --> 1:28:28.960 know that's that's one of the uh the proven use cases. 1:28:28.960 --> 1:28:32.519 And yeah, gives it to you. 1:28:32.640 --> 1:28:34.640 Yeah, as long as as you're not doing it in 1:28:34.680 --> 1:28:35.360 your bathtub. 1:28:37.400 --> 1:28:40.439 PhD in philosophy teaching you that. 1:28:40.600 --> 1:28:43.400 It's been so fascinating to see the extent to which 1:28:43.439 --> 1:28:48.400 people are like throwing a lot of uh reason out 1:28:48.400 --> 1:28:50.080 of the door just to be like, no, this is fine, 1:28:50.120 --> 1:28:53.840 this is okay. Actually, and you are a big Pharmachelle, 1:28:53.840 --> 1:28:54.920 if you are, you. 1:28:54.800 --> 1:28:59.960 Know, maybe maybe you know body builders who already are 1:29:00.040 --> 1:29:03.679 a very lean taking GOLP so called GOLP three. Maybe 1:29:03.680 --> 1:29:06.080 that's not a great idea because they've actually never studied 1:29:06.520 --> 1:29:10.040 what this medication does in people with low body fact. 1:29:10.280 --> 1:29:11.439 You don't know what. 1:29:11.280 --> 1:29:12.960 If you're going to do this, how many times are 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:14.880 we going to do a wave. 1:29:14.960 --> 1:29:17.120 Of a drug that does seem to have a really 1:29:17.320 --> 1:29:21.080 miraculous impact on people. And then you know the crusading 1:29:21.800 --> 1:29:25.080 group of power users maybe you know who are like, hey, 1:29:25.120 --> 1:29:28.920 you know, well, if you're not supporting everyone using it 1:29:28.920 --> 1:29:30.400 as widely as possible, then you're. 1:29:30.320 --> 1:29:32.680 In the pocket of the I mean, side effects are 1:29:32.880 --> 1:29:35.400 a lot more. Yes, effects are real. 1:29:35.640 --> 1:29:38.080 We may not actually want to have those side effects. 1:29:38.120 --> 1:29:40.080 And like, these drugs are so new, we don't know 1:29:40.120 --> 1:29:42.719 what the long term effect is. And it's not bad 1:29:42.760 --> 1:29:45.439 to say, like, you know, you're you're always doing a 1:29:45.479 --> 1:29:47.360 weigh a pro and con like I'm willing to do 1:29:47.400 --> 1:29:50.680 the side effect because the alternative is worse, and like, 1:29:50.720 --> 1:29:52.760 those are conversations you need to have with a real 1:29:52.840 --> 1:29:57.920 fucking doctor. Oh, not a comment section, not some billy 1:29:58.000 --> 1:30:02.200 bob doctor boo on TikTok. It seems it's. 1:30:05.640 --> 1:30:05.880 Times. 1:30:05.880 --> 1:30:08.360 The word A thought that I was having on the 1:30:08.360 --> 1:30:13.639 plane here is it feels like society as a whole, 1:30:13.720 --> 1:30:16.280 and particularly like the this this sections of society that 1:30:16.320 --> 1:30:20.080 are more online, that are more techified, that are more 1:30:20.320 --> 1:30:24.280 you know whatever for sort of forward in that kind 1:30:24.320 --> 1:30:24.960 of progression. 1:30:25.640 --> 1:30:27.760 Uh have plenty of room for. 1:30:27.720 --> 1:30:31.839 Skepticism when it comes to systems of like social support, 1:30:32.840 --> 1:30:37.439 but do not have room for skepticism about tech or so. 1:30:38.160 --> 1:30:39.679 Yeah, yeah, just. 1:30:39.600 --> 1:30:43.040 Like medicine, Like, oh, medicine, vaccines, why would we do 1:30:43.120 --> 1:30:47.120 that despite hundreds of years of evidence, Like they can't 1:30:47.160 --> 1:30:51.440 possibly be right because coach Matt told me on TikTok 1:30:51.560 --> 1:30:52.519 and it seems right. 1:30:52.600 --> 1:30:54.519 And I mean I say this from a perspective of 1:30:54.640 --> 1:30:56.599 I've been very overweight in my life, like I used 1:30:56.600 --> 1:30:58.840 to be like three hundred and fifty pounds a while back, 1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:02.639 and it's like I get the desperation. Yeah, I get desperation, 1:31:02.720 --> 1:31:05.840 especially when it's like GLP one is like very GP three. 1:31:05.880 --> 1:31:08.200 I'm sorry, but it's like very expensive. You have to 1:31:08.240 --> 1:31:09.679 go to a doctor and all that, and just being 1:31:09.720 --> 1:31:12.080 like maybe I could do this cheaper, maybe my doctor 1:31:12.120 --> 1:31:14.080 won't give it to me, maybe whatever, And I get 1:31:14.080 --> 1:31:16.240 that fucking desperation. You'll try it, Like when I've had 1:31:16.240 --> 1:31:18.680 weight problems, you're fucking scratching at the walls, trying to 1:31:18.680 --> 1:31:21.559 find some cheat code around the actual hard thing of 1:31:21.640 --> 1:31:24.639 changing lifestyle, which I should be clear, it's very fucking difficult. 1:31:24.680 --> 1:31:26.839 I have sympathy with everyone. I've been through it multiple 1:31:26.880 --> 1:31:29.680 cycles in my life I get it, but it's like 1:31:30.120 --> 1:31:32.559 to your point, Victoria, it's like, yeah, you're gonna get 1:31:32.720 --> 1:31:35.360 side effects. I'd rather roll the dice on the doctor 1:31:36.120 --> 1:31:38.559 who's using the thing that they know the side effects, 1:31:38.560 --> 1:31:41.040 they've done trials and such, versus the doctor. 1:31:41.479 --> 1:31:43.880 It's hard because you go to doctors and doctors don't 1:31:43.880 --> 1:31:46.760 listen to you. I have bekase, I have metabolic conditions. 1:31:46.840 --> 1:31:50.080 I'm on a GLP actually for it for like peacos 1:31:50.080 --> 1:31:53.599 and fatty liver, And getting to that point was over 1:31:53.680 --> 1:31:55.400 a ten year long journey. 1:31:55.640 --> 1:31:56.639 Yeah, but these. 1:31:56.479 --> 1:31:58.360 Are conversations I was having and I had to fire 1:31:58.439 --> 1:32:00.760 like five doctors because one was like listen to the 1:32:00.800 --> 1:32:06.599 Huberman lab no, or like maybe you should be maybe 1:32:06.640 --> 1:32:09.040 you should be a vegan. Fuck off. Not not to 1:32:09.240 --> 1:32:11.560 like say anything with vegans, but like that's not the 1:32:12.200 --> 1:32:14.720 solution I was looking for, or just being like, well, 1:32:14.760 --> 1:32:17.880 you know picos causes weight gain. Also the solution is 1:32:17.880 --> 1:32:20.720 weight loss, but also your body will not let you 1:32:21.040 --> 1:32:23.840 lose the weight, so just lose some weight. And like 1:32:23.960 --> 1:32:27.519 I understand that desperation, like from a very personal level, 1:32:27.800 --> 1:32:29.719 but at the same time, you have to believe in science. 1:32:29.720 --> 1:32:32.920 You have to believe in like the process exists because 1:32:32.920 --> 1:32:37.479 people have died because side effects are also debilitating to 1:32:37.560 --> 1:32:39.760 quality of life. The worst part about being on a 1:32:39.800 --> 1:32:42.759 GLP for me is that I like food. I don't 1:32:42.880 --> 1:32:44.880 have a lot of food noise. I actually genuinely don't 1:32:44.880 --> 1:32:47.519 have food noise. My liver just wants to fuck me over, 1:32:48.040 --> 1:32:53.519 and so like I can't eat. It's so it takes 1:32:53.600 --> 1:32:56.000 the joy out of eating for me. I don't enjoy 1:32:56.040 --> 1:32:59.679 it at all. I'm sorry, yeah no, And like I'm tired. 1:32:59.840 --> 1:33:03.439 I get fucking clown nightmares. I literally had a nightmare 1:33:03.479 --> 1:33:06.479 that my spouse's X came running after me and I 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:09.000 was like, oh, this ho and then she turned into 1:33:09.040 --> 1:33:12.400 Penny Wise, the fucking clown, the Bill Scar's Guard version. 1:33:12.400 --> 1:33:14.000 I woke up screaming like. 1:33:14.200 --> 1:33:16.439 This is the side effect I have, clown. 1:33:16.880 --> 1:33:19.040 Yeah, no, that's a side effect I have. This is 1:33:19.080 --> 1:33:20.960 a thing, you know, and you have to wait those 1:33:20.960 --> 1:33:23.120 pros and cons for health. But you know, in the 1:33:23.160 --> 1:33:27.479 pursuit of optimization, and that's rampant here at CEES, people 1:33:27.560 --> 1:33:31.680 are like, yeah, numbers that don't matter, do this, do that, 1:33:31.720 --> 1:33:33.559 and it's like, this is why I have mental health 1:33:33.560 --> 1:33:34.599 problems doing my job. 1:33:35.080 --> 1:33:36.559 But now you have numbers to help. 1:33:37.000 --> 1:33:38.679 Yeah, yeah, now you have so many numbers. 1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:40.040 I want to I mean, I want to go back 1:33:40.040 --> 1:33:42.479 to one thing that you said, which is you said 1:33:42.520 --> 1:33:43.919 you have to believe in science. 1:33:44.120 --> 1:33:46.479 Yeah, because people have died, we've done this whatever. 1:33:47.720 --> 1:33:51.000 I think that there's just a huge swath of the population, 1:33:51.320 --> 1:33:55.559 which is heavily represented here, of people who would just say, no, 1:33:55.680 --> 1:33:57.320 you don't have to believe in science. 1:33:57.760 --> 1:33:59.080 It is lies. 1:33:59.360 --> 1:34:01.839 It is you know, it is bunk, it is biased, 1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:02.559 it is whatever. 1:34:03.120 --> 1:34:07.479 And that fracture is where I'm like, oh no, we've 1:34:07.560 --> 1:34:10.160 not just about science particularly, but sort of like the 1:34:10.560 --> 1:34:15.080 like communal agreement on some like really foundational social pillars. 1:34:15.120 --> 1:34:16.160 Consensus reality. 1:34:16.280 --> 1:34:19.280 Yeah, consensus reality is is like seems to be crumbling. 1:34:19.280 --> 1:34:21.360 And it doesn't help that the leader of the FDA 1:34:21.520 --> 1:34:26.920 sounds like a fucking cyberman. Oh you know yet. Yeah, Now, 1:34:27.000 --> 1:34:29.320 we can't make fun of him. It's a physical condition. 1:34:29.400 --> 1:34:30.760 We can't make fun of him for that. We can 1:34:30.800 --> 1:34:32.439 make fun of that, for the fucking worm in his. 1:34:32.439 --> 1:34:34.680 Brain, the warm in his brain, and the. 1:34:34.280 --> 1:34:35.880 Whale corpse and the bare corpse. 1:34:35.920 --> 1:34:38.040 I he keeps me up at night because in June 1:34:38.080 --> 1:34:40.759 he was like in four years. I want every American 1:34:40.800 --> 1:34:44.960 wearing a wearable and as we quantified people on the 1:34:45.000 --> 1:34:48.479 earth wearing three to four wearables continuously twenty four seven, 1:34:48.479 --> 1:34:49.240 three sixty five. 1:34:49.960 --> 1:34:55.439 No, don't do that, so at that point we can rotate. 1:34:55.520 --> 1:34:58.000 Oh guess one last time, Thank you so much for listening. 1:34:58.080 --> 1:35:01.400 The upcoming AD I assume is not for weight loss drugs. 1:35:01.560 --> 1:35:04.400 If it is, well, I guess. 1:35:04.280 --> 1:35:07.360 You know how we feel about that now, but that's 1:35:07.400 --> 1:35:20.480 not really my goddamn problem. 1:35:20.640 --> 1:35:23.160 Welcome back to the better off line CS experience. We're 1:35:23.200 --> 1:35:25.719 just talking about wanking. I guess. 1:35:27.200 --> 1:35:28.440 I was more specific. 1:35:28.600 --> 1:35:31.320 I was saying, the flashlights are They're just okay, and so. 1:35:31.280 --> 1:35:35.800 Why would be interesting take yes, oh. 1:35:35.720 --> 1:35:42.280 What because you're oh, because I admit to using a sexat. 1:35:42.280 --> 1:35:43.320 A man who. 1:35:43.280 --> 1:35:47.519 Uses a sex toy. Women are vibrator vibrator vibr because men. 1:35:47.400 --> 1:35:50.840 Are inadequate, because men, and if you say that women 1:35:50.920 --> 1:35:54.240 are inadequate, I will take deeper. 1:35:55.400 --> 1:35:57.720 The next generation of sex toy. 1:35:57.920 --> 1:36:02.479 Welcome. Welcome to a offline. You complained last year we 1:36:02.520 --> 1:36:04.880 didn't have enough woman, which was true. Now we've got 1:36:04.880 --> 1:36:08.800 one that's just immediately created. The fracture got you for 1:36:08.840 --> 1:36:10.760 two more days. As well as gonna be great hair 1:36:11.280 --> 1:36:15.439 now this chaos and truthfully having like amazing teams the 1:36:15.439 --> 1:36:17.640 core better offline team for the show as well. And 1:36:17.680 --> 1:36:20.360 I'm actually like both you and Adam Chloe, you both 1:36:20.439 --> 1:36:22.760 kind of were like it's like like Adam, you've done 1:36:22.760 --> 1:36:24.280 a bit of tech cloth you've not done really and 1:36:24.320 --> 1:36:26.200 you're like, oh is this Am I going to be 1:36:26.200 --> 1:36:28.160 a right to do this? Because like I haven't done it. 1:36:28.520 --> 1:36:30.920 This is the perfect view because I think the really 1:36:31.000 --> 1:36:34.160 tech poisoned people are incapable of just being like that 1:36:34.320 --> 1:36:38.360 sounds fucking useless. That sounds dumb as ship even the 1:36:38.439 --> 1:36:40.760 jack off machine. It's like, you're going to attach this 1:36:41.280 --> 1:36:43.320 heavy looking looks pretty heavy. 1:36:43.960 --> 1:36:46.880 It didn't. It didn't look useful or necessary. 1:36:47.080 --> 1:36:50.840 It's a we've already we've already talked about. 1:36:50.840 --> 1:36:59.839 It doesn't look useful or necessary. 1:37:00.120 --> 1:37:00.920 To describe. 1:37:01.000 --> 1:37:03.720 Because we talked about the handy and Handy too in 1:37:03.800 --> 1:37:06.559 the previous segment, we didn't describe what it is. It's 1:37:06.600 --> 1:37:10.080 basically the it's called the it's it's a joke product. 1:37:10.920 --> 1:37:11.360 People laugh. 1:37:11.680 --> 1:37:14.280 It's like the inner core of the flesh light, which 1:37:14.360 --> 1:37:16.400 is like, okay, a flesh light if you're not familiar. 1:37:16.720 --> 1:37:18.840 You know, the sticky hand from the vending machine of 1:37:18.920 --> 1:37:19.560 the supermarkets. 1:37:19.880 --> 1:37:22.200 Trust that is that material. 1:37:22.400 --> 1:37:26.679 That's the material you put lubin in and it's squishy, okay, 1:37:27.080 --> 1:37:31.280 and and again just okay. As an experience had I 1:37:31.360 --> 1:37:34.200 got it's been in a drawer for years, right and 1:37:34.280 --> 1:37:36.400 I got it, uh for free, by the way, because 1:37:36.400 --> 1:37:37.880 I used to do a comedy show in a sex 1:37:37.920 --> 1:37:38.839 shop in Los Angeles. 1:37:38.880 --> 1:37:42.200 Wonderful show at the pleasure chests. But uh, I didn't 1:37:42.240 --> 1:37:43.880 pay for it, but so. 1:37:43.920 --> 1:37:46.759 Imagine I would have. It was on my list. 1:37:47.080 --> 1:37:49.559 I support the industry genuinely, sup. 1:37:51.080 --> 1:37:53.320 It's just it's a squishy core of a flesh light 1:37:53.400 --> 1:37:55.760 and then it's attached to a velcrow harness which is 1:37:55.840 --> 1:37:59.720 attached to like a big piece of metal machinery that 1:37:59.720 --> 1:38:00.920 that moves it up and down. 1:38:01.760 --> 1:38:06.479 And I'm like, I have hands, Yeah, I just And. 1:38:06.400 --> 1:38:07.200 Here's my pitch. 1:38:07.360 --> 1:38:09.840 Here's my pitch for an analog version of that is 1:38:09.960 --> 1:38:12.799 take one of the actual sticky hands that you actually 1:38:12.880 --> 1:38:15.320 stick on the window, and put some lube on that 1:38:15.439 --> 1:38:15.960 and put. 1:38:15.880 --> 1:38:18.320 Just hold that on the problem of your hand. 1:38:18.439 --> 1:38:20.240 And check that out that it's gonna feel like it's 1:38:20.280 --> 1:38:21.360 somebody else's hands. 1:38:21.160 --> 1:38:22.640 Here's here's what I would like. 1:38:22.640 --> 1:38:27.879 I would like a woman to stand across the room. 1:38:31.080 --> 1:38:33.200 I must I must also be clear, by the ways. 1:38:33.280 --> 1:38:36.160 So I looked up the handy too, and I just 1:38:36.200 --> 1:38:39.639 want to be clear. There are two SKUs. And there 1:38:39.720 --> 1:38:42.200 is the standard, which is one hour of battery life 1:38:42.240 --> 1:38:44.960 save sixty dollars launch price, and it's regularly two hundred 1:38:44.960 --> 1:38:46.840 and niney nine dollars. And then there's the five hours 1:38:46.840 --> 1:38:47.840 of battery. 1:38:47.640 --> 1:38:49.599 Oh, the cooner package. 1:38:49.640 --> 1:38:52.559 Yeah, three hundred and seventy nine dollars down four hundred 1:38:52.560 --> 1:38:54.240 and ninety nine. And you scroll out and it's like, 1:38:54.640 --> 1:38:58.200 we recommend the FoST charger handy, And I just got 1:38:58.240 --> 1:39:03.320 to ask how much you? How much you doing that? Yeah? Well, 1:39:03.320 --> 1:39:08.320 he purchased the award winning VR compatible Automatic stroker. Think, 1:39:09.120 --> 1:39:10.160 but isn't the isn't. 1:39:10.000 --> 1:39:11.759 The point of it V? It's VR. 1:39:11.840 --> 1:39:15.200 Come on, I mean, you're watching the poeos and all that, 1:39:15.280 --> 1:39:16.920 But but isn't the. 1:39:16.920 --> 1:39:19.320 Point of the device that it's supposed to be very fast, 1:39:19.479 --> 1:39:20.759 supposed to make you come fast? 1:39:20.960 --> 1:39:21.320 Really? 1:39:21.800 --> 1:39:22.559 I would think so. 1:39:22.960 --> 1:39:24.880 They should put it three four hours of battery life. 1:39:24.960 --> 1:39:27.320 Yeah, I know, I just they should use like most 1:39:27.320 --> 1:39:29.000 of that battery life for a little screen where you 1:39:29.040 --> 1:39:31.679 can watch some porn on it while you're gone. 1:39:31.920 --> 1:39:35.120 It's just really like people that don't have sex or 1:39:35.200 --> 1:39:37.120 jack off. It sounds like it's just like the least 1:39:37.320 --> 1:39:38.280 sexless people. 1:39:38.439 --> 1:39:40.720 I would love to know that the man who is 1:39:41.760 --> 1:39:44.519 horny enough to want to use the jack off machine, 1:39:45.000 --> 1:39:48.160 but so dedicated to tech that when he goes to 1:39:48.200 --> 1:39:50.439 pick up his jack off machine and the battery is dead, 1:39:50.800 --> 1:39:52.920 he goes, I have to put it on my fast 1:39:53.080 --> 1:39:57.240 charger now and wait for seven minutes for to give 1:39:57.360 --> 1:39:58.759 up battery life to make. 1:39:58.680 --> 1:40:01.240 Me come to thing his fo like sonic a hedgehog 1:40:01.840 --> 1:40:02.320 sitting on. 1:40:02.400 --> 1:40:05.120 His hands, being like, there's no other way to do this? 1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:11.760 Does this ever happened to you? It's just I must 1:40:11.800 --> 1:40:14.960 be This is a sex positive podcast. It's great, sex wonderful. 1:40:15.000 --> 1:40:18.799 It's a great thing between consenting adults and wife fu tubes, 1:40:18.840 --> 1:40:22.080 I guess. And it's just very strange to look at 1:40:22.120 --> 1:40:24.759 another product on the show is just like an alien 1:40:24.840 --> 1:40:28.240 made this, Like what what do you need? You can't 1:40:28.320 --> 1:40:30.479 jack off? I guess, or you really want to. And 1:40:30.560 --> 1:40:34.320 also I just feel like just there's a masturbata that's 1:40:34.360 --> 1:40:37.040 a great thing to say. I just feel like picking 1:40:37.080 --> 1:40:40.800 this thing up, I would just be consumed with shame immediately. 1:40:41.360 --> 1:40:43.800 The only thing would make me more ashamed would be 1:40:43.840 --> 1:40:47.439 if it was out of battery. Mm hmm, you're like, fuck, 1:40:47.600 --> 1:40:50.760 I've used it. Yeah, just like I'm too into this. 1:40:51.280 --> 1:40:53.680 See now, this this is my pet peeve because I 1:40:53.680 --> 1:40:55.559 think when you see be consumed with the shame, you're 1:40:55.600 --> 1:40:58.880 ashamed of your own sexuality. Yet that's what's happening, is 1:40:58.920 --> 1:41:01.160 you as you are a shamed the idea of masturbating 1:41:01.200 --> 1:41:01.719 with a device. 1:41:01.840 --> 1:41:04.880 Why why Because my hands can do it perfectly fine, 1:41:05.000 --> 1:41:05.800 that's I can have. 1:41:06.760 --> 1:41:07.320 Why shame? 1:41:07.400 --> 1:41:07.559 Why? 1:41:07.680 --> 1:41:08.120 Why shame? 1:41:08.160 --> 1:41:08.439 Why not? 1:41:08.560 --> 1:41:10.920 Why not amusement? If your hands can do it perfectly fine, 1:41:11.000 --> 1:41:11.600 Like I just. 1:41:11.720 --> 1:41:13.719 Well already we're in this weird world where I wouldn't 1:41:13.760 --> 1:41:14.040 buy it. 1:41:14.520 --> 1:41:16.719 Yeah, Like so it's just would you feel a shamed 1:41:17.240 --> 1:41:17.960 not not a shame? 1:41:18.000 --> 1:41:20.160 Would you feel shame if you picked up a flash 1:41:20.200 --> 1:41:21.439 light if you were going to use a flash light? 1:41:22.439 --> 1:41:24.600 Or is the machine worse? No, I just feel the 1:41:24.640 --> 1:41:25.600 machine laughing at you. 1:41:26.520 --> 1:41:28.640 I just have never seen this. 1:41:28.880 --> 1:41:30.519 We're now going on the show, or just that one's like, 1:41:30.640 --> 1:41:33.719 how does that jack off? It's just like the idea 1:41:33.720 --> 1:41:37.800 of the unnecessary. To me, I don't like something else. 1:41:38.520 --> 1:41:43.080 That's because maybe the male sex toy is not a 1:41:43.600 --> 1:41:47.960 jerk off device, because we can do that perfect. The 1:41:48.280 --> 1:41:50.360 real male sex toy is a butt plug, and men 1:41:50.400 --> 1:41:54.280 won't buy them. That's it's prostate stimulation. 1:41:54.439 --> 1:41:56.639 Yeah, that is you know if you like that, that's 1:41:56.680 --> 1:41:57.240 fucking cool. 1:41:57.320 --> 1:41:59.880 I like, my problem isn't And you know what, maybe 1:42:00.000 --> 1:42:01.880 as a guy who just like he's like a sex 1:42:02.000 --> 1:42:04.200 guy and he likes all the different kinds, Fine, that 1:42:04.320 --> 1:42:06.479 sounds fine. I just think like if I got a 1:42:06.560 --> 1:42:08.800 machine that was out of batteries for jacket off and 1:42:08.920 --> 1:42:11.720 it was unpowdered, be like, I've been doing this a lot, 1:42:11.800 --> 1:42:13.000 haven't I do? 1:42:13.160 --> 1:42:15.400 The do the sex toys have big useless numbers too? 1:42:15.880 --> 1:42:20.400 Oh god, I wonder if you haven't been coming lately. 1:42:22.400 --> 1:42:23.639 You haven't you come? 1:42:23.720 --> 1:42:24.559 Wait and see. 1:42:27.160 --> 1:42:30.120 The distance of time between when you begin to jack off. 1:42:30.880 --> 1:42:33.439 It's like a little prompter you okay, you haven't. 1:42:35.280 --> 1:42:37.439 And when you are off the baseline that. 1:42:37.680 --> 1:42:40.400 Is when you I'm actually looking out to see if 1:42:40.439 --> 1:42:42.880 there's any metrics that come discrete delivery, I. 1:42:42.920 --> 1:42:44.639 Mean discreet delivery. 1:42:45.000 --> 1:42:45.519 One nice. 1:42:45.560 --> 1:42:47.800 What if what if withings made a sex toy and 1:42:47.880 --> 1:42:50.120 then it tracked your you know what I mean, it 1:42:50.200 --> 1:42:51.120 gave you some stats. 1:42:52.160 --> 1:42:55.720 The gooners might like that some jerk off so. 1:42:55.840 --> 1:42:59.360 What yeah, like, oh, how about like a special watch for. 1:42:59.479 --> 1:43:02.360 Jerking on off that like Matt, you know, they have 1:43:02.520 --> 1:43:05.639 like a stat line. It lets you know how efficient 1:43:05.680 --> 1:43:06.439 you're being and. 1:43:06.520 --> 1:43:09.440 How much time you spend, like you know, how on treadmills. 1:43:09.520 --> 1:43:12.000 You can follow the little workouts where it like shows 1:43:12.040 --> 1:43:14.280 it it's like it's gonna get faster now, and then 1:43:14.320 --> 1:43:16.200 the treadmill goes faster, you have to run faster, and 1:43:16.240 --> 1:43:18.200 then it's like now it's slower. If you're if you 1:43:18.320 --> 1:43:20.160 had a little like if you had a little gooning 1:43:20.280 --> 1:43:23.760 workout line where it could be like go faster now, 1:43:23.960 --> 1:43:25.599 and then it's like slow down, so down, sow down, 1:43:25.640 --> 1:43:27.680 sow down, and you like follow your little workouts. 1:43:27.800 --> 1:43:28.160 I mean. 1:43:30.880 --> 1:43:33.040 You're describing joy videos. 1:43:35.439 --> 1:43:36.400 I just want to read something. 1:43:36.640 --> 1:43:38.920 It's a really good form of video porn. 1:43:39.040 --> 1:43:41.120 I think those are like it's very kind of wholesome 1:43:41.439 --> 1:43:43.360 because it's sort of like I want someone. 1:43:43.120 --> 1:43:46.320 To instruct there's a relations there's. 1:43:46.160 --> 1:43:48.040 A relationship about the jerking off. 1:43:48.360 --> 1:43:49.719 I just want to be clear. There is a button 1:43:49.760 --> 1:43:52.400 on this website to lead you to various videos. It 1:43:52.439 --> 1:43:56.160 says explore the handy verse and handy verse. I don't 1:43:56.240 --> 1:43:58.000 feel great having read that. 1:43:58.160 --> 1:44:00.680 The greatest sin that Mark Zuckerberg has committed on the 1:44:00.720 --> 1:44:01.599 phase of this planet. 1:44:01.960 --> 1:44:07.320 He's giving us blank verse. We got that done. I'm close. 1:44:07.479 --> 1:44:10.559 We got the handy verse with sixty nine. 1:44:10.800 --> 1:44:14.120 What actually, oddly, like, what is handy feeling? There's like 1:44:14.200 --> 1:44:16.080 a whole thing and I'm like coming around to this, 1:44:16.240 --> 1:44:18.200 like this isn't for me, but I'm like, okay, if 1:44:18.240 --> 1:44:21.120 someone's a real beat offerer, like this is quite nice. 1:44:21.600 --> 1:44:21.920 I don't know. 1:44:22.240 --> 1:44:24.000 The reason I feel shame is because I feel like 1:44:24.080 --> 1:44:26.280 we're falling for it because this is a gag product. 1:44:26.960 --> 1:44:27.800 We're talking about it. 1:44:27.920 --> 1:44:29.639 No, this is real. This is just like a real 1:44:29.680 --> 1:44:30.599 thing that charge in frint. 1:44:30.640 --> 1:44:33.400 It exists, but I don't think it serves it's to 1:44:33.520 --> 1:44:37.400 laugh at it. Cees and devices know if I agree. 1:44:37.600 --> 1:44:40.640 Like, here's the thing. Woman sex toys very well documented 1:44:40.720 --> 1:44:42.320 and used and talked about quite. 1:44:42.240 --> 1:44:44.000 You've seen pictures of them, yeah, very. 1:44:44.200 --> 1:44:46.880 Also like women discussed them. I feel like, Adam, You're 1:44:46.960 --> 1:44:48.880 like one of the only men I've talked to about 1:44:48.920 --> 1:44:51.720 sex who's just not immediately Yeah, I've had it like 1:44:51.880 --> 1:44:54.800 one million times, but I can't discuss it at all. Yeah, 1:44:55.200 --> 1:44:57.280 but it's like I believe that, like, there are men 1:44:57.320 --> 1:44:58.960 who jack off in this man, I'm good on them 1:44:59.000 --> 1:45:02.040 as long as it's like normal and consensual, and like. 1:45:02.840 --> 1:45:05.240 I could be wrong. I just don't believe in this product. 1:45:05.280 --> 1:45:06.680 I believe in sex toys for men. 1:45:06.720 --> 1:45:09.760 I believe they're underrepresented a category, but I believe where 1:45:09.880 --> 1:45:12.519 this product is situated in the hall and the way 1:45:12.640 --> 1:45:13.600 that they have designed it. 1:45:14.920 --> 1:45:16.120 Yeah, yes, Okay. 1:45:22.280 --> 1:45:24.200 The only one I saw was the love Sense one, 1:45:24.240 --> 1:45:26.160 which was the vibrators. I was like, okay, I saw 1:45:26.200 --> 1:45:28.240 that last year also, so I was like, okay, that's 1:45:28.240 --> 1:45:28.640 the one I know. 1:45:28.800 --> 1:45:31.120 It's in the Eureka Hall and it's sort of position 1:45:31.360 --> 1:45:34.720 it's like meant to make you laugh. And I think 1:45:34.760 --> 1:45:36.599 it's a five hundred dollars back big. 1:45:36.880 --> 1:45:39.320 But was it a big it was it a big booth? 1:45:39.360 --> 1:45:41.840 They had a big booth, then that's a real company. 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:44.439 Because well, look, men called it big, women call it. 1:45:45.520 --> 1:45:50.639 Yeah, it's just a regular size nice. Yeah, but that's 1:45:50.640 --> 1:45:52.360 the thing. If they have a regular sized booth. 1:45:54.760 --> 1:45:56.639 It's a perfectly normal sized booth. 1:45:57.280 --> 1:46:03.120 It's a good get biga during the show, if like 1:46:03.280 --> 1:46:05.479 that's a real company, because otherwise it's just like, yeah, 1:46:05.479 --> 1:46:07.760 we've one hundred thousand dollars in the jack Off booth. 1:46:08.400 --> 1:46:09.960 I do, I do? Let the idea has spoken of, 1:46:10.040 --> 1:46:10.679 I can have a goat. 1:46:12.040 --> 1:46:13.800 Hey, come on over to the jack Off booth. 1:46:14.560 --> 1:46:18.800 Come in, Uh, everyway, both anyway in the booth for you. 1:46:19.000 --> 1:46:20.799 We're going to segue away from this, right. 1:46:21.080 --> 1:46:23.360 Here's a question that is sort of off of this theme. 1:46:23.720 --> 1:46:25.520 As a Cees virgin. 1:46:25.560 --> 1:46:28.240 Right not to really lean into this kind of language. 1:46:29.520 --> 1:46:32.960 Uh, how many of these products, Like, there are a 1:46:33.080 --> 1:46:37.200 lot of products that seemed absolutely fucking useless. Yes, And 1:46:37.760 --> 1:46:41.000 what I don't know is how many of the people 1:46:41.080 --> 1:46:44.960 who are here earnestly believe that what they are hawking 1:46:45.520 --> 1:46:47.200 is going to make the world better in some way, 1:46:48.080 --> 1:46:51.280 and how many people like what what is the percentage 1:46:51.280 --> 1:46:52.960 split between earnest believers? 1:46:53.640 --> 1:46:54.920 Uh, people who are here for. 1:46:54.960 --> 1:46:57.320 A paycheck because they need a job and this happens 1:46:57.320 --> 1:46:59.519 to be the job they're doing, and people who are 1:46:59.640 --> 1:47:02.799 totally disillusioned but are still doing it for the paycheck, 1:47:02.880 --> 1:47:04.519 but like, are are totally jaded? 1:47:04.680 --> 1:47:05.639 I would be curious. 1:47:05.760 --> 1:47:08.280 I think what it is is like you get a job. 1:47:08.479 --> 1:47:10.759 It's hard getting a job, and you get the product, 1:47:10.800 --> 1:47:12.760 and it's like, well, I gotta fucking believe in something. 1:47:12.840 --> 1:47:15.080 So you learn the talking points and you're like the 1:47:15.160 --> 1:47:17.720 pillow thing you were talking about last piece, It's like 1:47:18.040 --> 1:47:20.360 that person clearly had never had a conversation with someone 1:47:20.360 --> 1:47:21.720 who's like, yeah, but what if I want to lie 1:47:21.760 --> 1:47:24.000 in bed without falling asleep? Because they've memorize the talking 1:47:24.040 --> 1:47:26.320 points and they've internalize them. I'm sure that there are 1:47:26.680 --> 1:47:29.200 a percentage of cynical people, but I think a lot 1:47:29.240 --> 1:47:31.000 of these people have just like not thought about it 1:47:31.080 --> 1:47:33.600 too much. They're like, yeah, the air purifier with the 1:47:33.680 --> 1:47:36.240 spike on it, the dog scratches itself on. That makes 1:47:36.240 --> 1:47:38.400 perfect sense because I've been forced to believe it because 1:47:38.439 --> 1:47:40.560 this is how I make money. And I think that 1:47:40.680 --> 1:47:43.760 there's something kind of sad about it because you have 1:47:43.920 --> 1:47:46.920 to believe. I mean like there's a certain degree at 1:47:46.960 --> 1:47:50.000 times when you get a product. I don't do consumer electronics, 1:47:50.040 --> 1:47:51.320 but like in the past where I've had to be 1:47:51.439 --> 1:47:55.840 like yay, even go, it's like it's gonna pay mortgage. Like, 1:47:56.439 --> 1:47:57.720 I think that that's a degree of that. And I 1:47:57.800 --> 1:48:00.439 think some people just fucking stupid. I think some people 1:48:00.479 --> 1:48:03.800 are just like, yeah, they said they isn't it cool 1:48:03.840 --> 1:48:05.639 it can do this? And they focus on how cool 1:48:05.680 --> 1:48:08.000 it is. And then when they think two sex and 1:48:08.000 --> 1:48:10.400 they go, oh, fuck, this is one alien would use. 1:48:10.920 --> 1:48:13.280 This is like it's just like stall Trek accept nothing 1:48:13.360 --> 1:48:13.519 like it. 1:48:13.760 --> 1:48:14.000 I think. 1:48:14.080 --> 1:48:14.120 So. 1:48:15.160 --> 1:48:16.559 I also think a lot of them are just happy 1:48:16.640 --> 1:48:17.920 to like do the job. 1:48:18.160 --> 1:48:18.360 Yeah. 1:48:18.400 --> 1:48:21.280 You know, like when I went to the ORB thing, 1:48:21.439 --> 1:48:24.200 my ORB debacle, all the people I told, well, whatever, 1:48:24.360 --> 1:48:26.200 people know about it or they don't. But when I 1:48:26.280 --> 1:48:29.800 talk to people who work for this horrible product, like 1:48:30.560 --> 1:48:32.680 some of them seemed kind of enthusiastics. Some of them 1:48:32.720 --> 1:48:35.800 sort of had thousand yard stairs yeah, where where I 1:48:36.120 --> 1:48:38.760 was talking and going like, ah, they're making like three 1:48:38.880 --> 1:48:41.720 hundred grand a year probably yeah, working for like a 1:48:41.840 --> 1:48:45.920 sam Altman company doing interesting work. Like they're like they 1:48:46.000 --> 1:48:48.320 wanted to be an engineer. They're a software engineer. They're 1:48:48.320 --> 1:48:51.720 working on something that's tech technically interesting. They would like 1:48:51.840 --> 1:48:53.519 for it to work. They sort of have to drink 1:48:53.560 --> 1:48:55.679 the kool at exactly in the same way that someone 1:48:55.720 --> 1:48:57.880 who's like working on a shitty movie. 1:48:58.240 --> 1:49:00.400 Is like I'm living the drink. All the movie kind 1:49:00.400 --> 1:49:01.599 of sucks, but I'm living the dream. 1:49:01.640 --> 1:49:02.680 But you're gonna be good. 1:49:02.720 --> 1:49:05.559 It's gonna be good. I'm making movies like it's this. Yeah, 1:49:05.600 --> 1:49:07.320 that makes suspension of disbelief. 1:49:07.520 --> 1:49:10.479 But I respect people of movies way more. Like, just 1:49:10.520 --> 1:49:13.160 do want to be clear, Like learning about how movies 1:49:13.200 --> 1:49:15.880 are made. Recently, it's insane a single movie has ever 1:49:15.960 --> 1:49:18.920 been made. Yeah, I do not understand how any movie 1:49:19.000 --> 1:49:19.320 is made. 1:49:19.400 --> 1:49:20.639 Well they're not made anymore. 1:49:20.760 --> 1:49:23.599 Well, yeah, that's that's also the other thing. No, they're 1:49:23.640 --> 1:49:25.760 either one hundred million dollars or one million dollars. 1:49:26.400 --> 1:49:28.640 The movies when you watch movies now, like I you know, 1:49:28.680 --> 1:49:30.880 I was watching like Rob Ryner movies because he passed away, 1:49:30.920 --> 1:49:33.400 of course, and watched like Harry Met Salary another movie 1:49:33.479 --> 1:49:37.080 like that. It's like walking through like the ruins of 1:49:37.160 --> 1:49:40.160 like a Roman Colisseum in the Dark Age is like 1:49:40.240 --> 1:49:41.560 look at what humans. 1:49:41.240 --> 1:49:43.080 Used to be able to do, Like it's and then 1:49:43.120 --> 1:49:45.640 you watch Stranger Things and there's a big crab and 1:49:45.760 --> 1:49:48.040 win on a Ryder punches it to death. You just 1:49:48.439 --> 1:49:52.760 I don't watch that show strange enough already and it's 1:49:52.920 --> 1:49:57.160 just sad. But I think I think movies are gonna be. Okay, 1:49:57.160 --> 1:49:58.880 I'm choosing to be optimistic for no reason. 1:49:59.160 --> 1:50:01.479 Yeah, yeah, I mean that's a sort of a whole 1:50:01.680 --> 1:50:04.479 separate yet whole other conversation. But I do think that 1:50:04.640 --> 1:50:08.560 there's a lot of people who would say, like the 1:50:08.640 --> 1:50:11.840 same people who are who are who. 1:50:11.840 --> 1:50:13.880 See movies as sort of the dinosaurs, the things of 1:50:13.920 --> 1:50:14.280 the past. 1:50:14.360 --> 1:50:17.600 Are the people who see a lot of shit at CST, 1:50:17.920 --> 1:50:20.000 who sort of willingly drink the kool aid of a 1:50:20.040 --> 1:50:21.960 lot of the shit at CEES and are like, this 1:50:22.160 --> 1:50:24.840 is the stuff of the future without actually even being 1:50:24.880 --> 1:50:25.719 paid three hundred. 1:50:25.479 --> 1:50:27.679 Thousand dollars by the company because they want to be first. 1:50:28.160 --> 1:50:30.840 They want to, but they sort of have gotten on 1:50:31.000 --> 1:50:34.160 the roller coaster of they're addicted to the high of 1:50:34.920 --> 1:50:37.920 u the possibility of success, the newness. 1:50:38.240 --> 1:50:38.439 Yeah. 1:50:38.560 --> 1:50:41.280 I mean, I remember when it was over ten years 1:50:41.280 --> 1:50:42.920 ago now, but I was working at College Humor and 1:50:42.920 --> 1:50:45.200 stuff like Google Glass would come out and. 1:50:45.439 --> 1:50:47.680 My coworkers would be like, it's it's gonna be. 1:50:47.760 --> 1:50:50.320 The future and just based on the premise alone, and 1:50:50.400 --> 1:50:52.880 I have to be like I don't think so, yeah's right, 1:50:53.200 --> 1:50:54.320 same thing happened with the VR. 1:50:54.680 --> 1:50:58.240 You know you wait, Adam, Google Glass is coming, ray 1:50:58.360 --> 1:50:59.560 Ban Meta glasses. 1:51:00.320 --> 1:51:02.920 People were so they had the script in them for 1:51:03.360 --> 1:51:05.280 I think, you know, and they want it to be true. 1:51:05.280 --> 1:51:06.920 They just want something new that's gonna be fun. 1:51:07.080 --> 1:51:09.439 I also, I'd be curious what you think, because you 1:51:09.560 --> 1:51:11.439 know you've been coming to see us for a while. 1:51:11.920 --> 1:51:15.280 How much of it is Also people at a firm 1:51:15.560 --> 1:51:20.040 that tried to sell something to another business and it failed, 1:51:20.080 --> 1:51:21.479 and now they're doing consumer because I feel like I 1:51:21.520 --> 1:51:23.519 would talk to some people, especially in Eureka Park, and 1:51:24.920 --> 1:51:26.600 they wouldn't say it, but you could hear in the 1:51:26.720 --> 1:51:29.439 conversation that there was a much more ambitious plan and 1:51:29.520 --> 1:51:33.080 that fell through, and now they're winning to something else 1:51:33.160 --> 1:51:34.960 that a consumer might be able to use. 1:51:35.000 --> 1:51:37.320 It's the raw economy, baby, It's growth of all costs. 1:51:37.320 --> 1:51:40.120 Because if you solve a small, boring problem for a 1:51:40.160 --> 1:51:43.120 million people, that fucking rocks, is that gonna be worth 1:51:43.200 --> 1:51:45.840 ten billion dollars new you're gonna be able to take 1:51:45.880 --> 1:51:47.880 that public? No, you can sell it to enough company. No, 1:51:48.120 --> 1:51:50.840 But if you say I'm gonna solve fucking everything, forever 1:51:51.160 --> 1:51:53.479 you get hundreds of millions of dollars because you've just 1:51:53.600 --> 1:51:57.920 over promised and being part of this newness futuristic thing 1:51:58.080 --> 1:52:00.880 and vaguely attaching yourself to it. If you're wrong, you 1:52:00.920 --> 1:52:02.640 can say, oh, it is experimental. If you're right, you 1:52:02.640 --> 1:52:04.000 can say I was fissed. 1:52:04.360 --> 1:52:07.240 Yeah. But and that's sort of to what Adam was 1:52:07.280 --> 1:52:11.200 saying about, you know, wanting it's my language now, like 1:52:11.240 --> 1:52:13.320 wanting the possibility of success addicted to the high of 1:52:13.360 --> 1:52:16.080 that possibility. But everyone you were saying, I think you're 1:52:16.080 --> 1:52:19.519 saying like the U when you're saying that they had 1:52:19.560 --> 1:52:21.400 a more ambitious plan. Do you mean they had a 1:52:21.479 --> 1:52:23.960 more ambitious plan for what the tech itself could be 1:52:24.040 --> 1:52:25.960 capable of or do you mean like they've had They've 1:52:26.000 --> 1:52:28.080 figured out a tech that is capable of whatever it is, 1:52:28.479 --> 1:52:30.880 and the ambitious plan was to use it in a 1:52:31.040 --> 1:52:34.040 much broader use case or a much higher scale use case. 1:52:34.080 --> 1:52:36.600 And now they've sort of been like shunted down to 1:52:37.240 --> 1:52:39.400 a bof a ces where they're trying to make somebody 1:52:39.439 --> 1:52:40.360 pay six hundred dollars. 1:52:40.439 --> 1:52:43.120 It feels like they thought the idea was worth ten 1:52:43.479 --> 1:52:46.400 x what it actually is. An example, I mean, I 1:52:47.280 --> 1:52:49.439 saw it a lot more last year where it would 1:52:49.479 --> 1:52:53.880 be people talking about tech that would be that's helpful 1:52:53.920 --> 1:52:57.240 assistive tech, but their initial formulation of it seemed to 1:52:57.320 --> 1:52:59.080 be we are going to apply this at scale and 1:52:59.160 --> 1:53:01.719 workplaces to augment your. 1:53:01.680 --> 1:53:05.439 Productive for like standing up the thing for opening the 1:53:05.520 --> 1:53:06.200 cash rep. 1:53:06.560 --> 1:53:08.519 Right, you know, something like that, where it's like not 1:53:08.960 --> 1:53:12.960 even really clear that would be adopted at an individual scale. 1:53:13.080 --> 1:53:14.720 Well, so that one really pissed me off because it's like, 1:53:14.720 --> 1:53:17.559 you don't give a fuck about anyone, you don't love 1:53:17.640 --> 1:53:20.360 them in the eye, No, you were excited about touching 1:53:20.400 --> 1:53:22.559 a screen towards it treats you little. 1:53:22.600 --> 1:53:22.720 You know. 1:53:22.840 --> 1:53:24.840 It feels like it's like we wanted to sell this 1:53:24.960 --> 1:53:27.160 ad scale to like McDonald's at a bunch of other 1:53:27.360 --> 1:53:29.280 fast food restaurants, and that didn't work. So now we 1:53:29.400 --> 1:53:32.000 are cobbling together some of the IP to figure out 1:53:32.040 --> 1:53:37.439 another approach that might be usable in smaller UH settings. 1:53:37.439 --> 1:53:40.240 And I feel like, you know, when I talk with people, 1:53:40.320 --> 1:53:44.120 especially in some of the assistive tech, you know, where 1:53:44.720 --> 1:53:46.360 they're not really talking about it in the way of 1:53:46.760 --> 1:53:49.120 we're helping people who are disabled or helping people who 1:53:49.200 --> 1:53:53.120 need mobility it's it's it's it's almost adjacent to or 1:53:53.920 --> 1:53:56.080 sounding just like how we talk about convenience. 1:53:56.280 --> 1:53:58.800 Yeah, you know, did you see anything today that was 1:53:59.000 --> 1:53:59.519 of note? 1:53:59.760 --> 1:54:01.720 Like I mean, most of the stuff that I saw 1:54:01.800 --> 1:54:07.120 today in Eureka Park wash more misuse of agentic language 1:54:08.240 --> 1:54:11.519 and saying oh no, let's you know what if you 1:54:11.640 --> 1:54:15.920 had a chat bought that you know, managed your home 1:54:16.160 --> 1:54:18.760 Google calendar and told you when to pick up your 1:54:18.840 --> 1:54:21.080 kids because you forgot, or you know, when we got 1:54:22.000 --> 1:54:24.160 because you don't give us ship. You know what, if 1:54:24.160 --> 1:54:26.640 you have something, I would look at your ship and 1:54:26.760 --> 1:54:30.280 tell you when you're sick or not sick. 1:54:30.400 --> 1:54:31.800 You mean literally your poop? 1:54:31.920 --> 1:54:33.880 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah no literally, yeah, you poop. 1:54:34.120 --> 1:54:36.440 That was one thing that Victoria. We didn't get to 1:54:36.480 --> 1:54:38.960 the piss poop. We go to the com sadly, but 1:54:39.080 --> 1:54:42.040 it was like there's a many different toilet measures. Now. 1:54:42.240 --> 1:54:44.600 Yeah, oh I saw a good product, yes, and I 1:54:44.640 --> 1:54:46.920 would describe it. I walked I saw this product, I 1:54:47.000 --> 1:54:49.520 looked at I immediately recognized what it was. I walked 1:54:49.600 --> 1:54:49.960 up to them. 1:54:50.000 --> 1:54:52.720 I said, fit Bit for your cat, and they said, 1:54:53.880 --> 1:54:55.960 that's what you know, fit Bit for your cat. You're 1:54:56.000 --> 1:54:58.160 going to sell that, and it's like a little food dish, 1:54:58.400 --> 1:55:01.040 food dish and a bubbler for your and then it like, 1:55:01.080 --> 1:55:03.120 I don't know, has some stats about your cat, and 1:55:03.240 --> 1:55:05.760 it said like here's how much food is left, here's 1:55:05.760 --> 1:55:07.839 the temperature of your cat, and then it just said healthy. 1:55:08.120 --> 1:55:12.160 Yes, and that's it's like, really, all the cat owners what. 1:55:12.840 --> 1:55:14.960 It's like, Well, could it could the box say my 1:55:15.080 --> 1:55:17.560 cat's healthy and it'll relieve my anxiety and. 1:55:17.600 --> 1:55:20.080 Your cat owner, yes, I have, I don't know, like 1:55:20.160 --> 1:55:23.120 and it's the only measurement is like how beautiful they 1:55:23.160 --> 1:55:26.240 are like that, which I remind them of constantly. I 1:55:26.400 --> 1:55:28.760 just how holt my cat is is very funny. 1:55:28.840 --> 1:55:29.760 Yeah, I got two cats. 1:55:29.800 --> 1:55:31.880 And it's like when I learned I got a I 1:55:31.960 --> 1:55:34.320 got one of the letter boxes, those automatic ones. When 1:55:34.320 --> 1:55:35.760 I learned there was an app, I asked them, can 1:55:35.800 --> 1:55:36.160 I do. 1:55:36.200 --> 1:55:37.280 I need app? Can I delete that? 1:55:37.400 --> 1:55:38.640 They're like yes, And I was like, okay, I will 1:55:38.720 --> 1:55:40.840 never look at this ship again. Yeah, And it works out. 1:55:40.920 --> 1:55:44.560 You know that anything that even wears other or has 1:55:44.640 --> 1:55:45.840 a little motor other than. 1:55:45.760 --> 1:55:49.160 The litter box, they destroy. They swat it, they throw. 1:55:49.040 --> 1:55:51.360 It down the stairs, they push it, they literally catch it. 1:55:51.480 --> 1:55:54.080 To the stairs and throw it down, so I can't 1:55:54.080 --> 1:55:55.160 get anything smart for them. 1:55:55.280 --> 1:55:57.080 I get a fit bit for a dog, though, because 1:55:57.120 --> 1:56:00.120 you like woke them. I would love to, actually, just 1:56:00.360 --> 1:56:03.200 for my sick pleasure, know how fast Barbo runs because 1:56:03.280 --> 1:56:05.840 him and his sister Pokey too bad. But no, they 1:56:05.960 --> 1:56:07.840 just they will be sleeping all day and then just 1:56:07.920 --> 1:56:11.840 run into bam, just fucking like across the entire house, 1:56:12.240 --> 1:56:13.600 gone back. 1:56:14.080 --> 1:56:17.800 They're trying to get their steps in exactly like just. 1:56:17.920 --> 1:56:20.960 Cats like don't experience the same things that human being, Like, 1:56:21.000 --> 1:56:22.920 they're not seeing that being, Like do I run around 1:56:23.000 --> 1:56:24.920 a lot? They get the instinct like I need to 1:56:25.000 --> 1:56:27.600 fucking run so fast in a straight line, fast than 1:56:27.600 --> 1:56:29.280 I've ever But it's not because they're like I need 1:56:29.320 --> 1:56:32.400 to be healthy. They just fucking cat Stop trying to 1:56:32.480 --> 1:56:36.800 optimize my cat. Bro, My cats. Cats are not optimal 1:56:37.000 --> 1:56:39.640 other than how beautiful and fancy they are and how 1:56:39.680 --> 1:56:45.920 beautiful I miss them, anything else, like it's just this. 1:56:46.200 --> 1:56:48.120 You're gonna be here for another two days. You're gonna 1:56:48.120 --> 1:56:49.080 see more stuff like this. 1:56:49.400 --> 1:56:52.480 But I'm general I saw something we all need and 1:56:52.640 --> 1:56:56.720 present ads inside of AI. How to put ads inside 1:56:56.720 --> 1:57:00.320 of chatbots, how to put ads inside of any sort 1:57:00.480 --> 1:57:03.000 of interface or product I might use the genitor of AI. 1:57:04.080 --> 1:57:06.200 It's so cool they haven't worked that out, I know. 1:57:06.320 --> 1:57:06.480 Yeah. 1:57:06.520 --> 1:57:10.680 That's also like the most obvious thing that they need 1:57:10.760 --> 1:57:14.640 it the way that they would monetize this fucking thing. Yeah, 1:57:14.800 --> 1:57:17.640 the one way to make the one way that every 1:57:17.800 --> 1:57:20.360 per I get three emails a week from someone being like, 1:57:20.480 --> 1:57:24.680 have you thought that they could put ads in chat jept? Yes, motherfucker, 1:57:24.720 --> 1:57:27.760 I've fucking thought. Every single time you've emailed me about this. 1:57:27.960 --> 1:57:28.640 I've thought about it. 1:57:28.720 --> 1:57:30.040 Do we know why they haven't yet? 1:57:30.280 --> 1:57:32.680 Because it's very hard to guarantee. The whole thing with 1:57:32.760 --> 1:57:36.000 ads is you need to have applicability and reliability and accountability. 1:57:36.120 --> 1:57:38.600 You cannot have your you can't have like an ad 1:57:39.080 --> 1:57:41.840 for a children's thing by someone looking up sex and 1:57:42.040 --> 1:57:45.200 vice versa. And the best example we have that this 1:57:45.280 --> 1:57:48.200 doesn't really work is Perplexity. Their ads chief left a 1:57:48.200 --> 1:57:51.800 few months ago and they made twenty thousand dollars selling 1:57:51.840 --> 1:57:52.920 ads in twenty twenty four. 1:57:53.120 --> 1:57:56.000 Plex They Yeah, I mean the needs of advertisers like 1:57:56.280 --> 1:57:57.200 determine everything. 1:57:57.360 --> 1:58:00.400 Yeah, Like you know, why does YouTube wor the way 1:58:00.440 --> 1:58:01.760 it work? Ninety percent of. 1:58:01.800 --> 1:58:04.320 YouTube is to please advertisers, so to make sure that 1:58:04.960 --> 1:58:08.680 you know, age verification, like content warnings, like all of 1:58:08.720 --> 1:58:12.360 it is just for them and like they'll sort of 1:58:12.480 --> 1:58:14.840 run the show. But also isn't part of the problem 1:58:14.920 --> 1:58:18.640 that like advertising is not enough money for you know, 1:58:19.200 --> 1:58:21.880 the massive amount of investments these companies are taking on, like. 1:58:21.960 --> 1:58:24.680 You put ads and chatgy, but you're saying enough, yeah, yeah, 1:58:24.680 --> 1:58:27.080 it won't sustain trillions. 1:58:27.160 --> 1:58:28.880 Well, the other problem they have is the information and 1:58:28.960 --> 1:58:31.160 a good story about this where it's like nine hundred 1:58:31.160 --> 1:58:34.000 million weekly active US is ish even though Opening Eye 1:58:34.000 --> 1:58:35.880 double counts people all the time. They admit this and 1:58:35.960 --> 1:58:38.800 they're on academic papers, but nevertheless only one hundred million 1:58:38.800 --> 1:58:41.000 if those are in America, which is a large number 1:58:41.040 --> 1:58:44.600 whatever whatever, But that means like they're mostly overseas who 1:58:44.640 --> 1:58:47.720 are lower value advertising plans, because there's a very big 1:58:47.760 --> 1:58:51.800 difference between to advertising someone in America versus in India 1:58:51.920 --> 1:58:55.560 or Indonesia where they release chat gpt go, which is 1:58:55.560 --> 1:58:58.360 the cheaper one, which will inevitably be advertising support it. 1:58:58.920 --> 1:59:01.040 And it's just like I do love that there are 1:59:01.160 --> 1:59:03.080 like different boots of people being like what if we 1:59:03.120 --> 1:59:05.920 could solve the problem the open Ai, Google, Perplexity, and 1:59:06.200 --> 1:59:09.040 multiple other companies just haven't been able to touch. It 1:59:09.640 --> 1:59:11.720 feels like watching the end of the world in a 1:59:11.880 --> 1:59:13.200 very boring way at times. 1:59:13.440 --> 1:59:16.120 Well, so that's what brings me back to my that 1:59:16.440 --> 1:59:19.360 brings me back to my question about how earnestly do 1:59:19.440 --> 1:59:23.000 these people believe in what they're pushing. Like are there 1:59:23.040 --> 1:59:25.160 people who are like, yeah, yeah, yeah, we are the 1:59:25.600 --> 1:59:28.520 we have the secret key, we are the geniuses. And 1:59:28.960 --> 1:59:31.280 sure would I be hired at Google if I was 1:59:31.320 --> 1:59:35.160 really a genius. Maybe, But that's not what we're talking about, right. 1:59:35.640 --> 1:59:38.360 I think that they at the very least considered themselves 1:59:38.400 --> 1:59:40.960 to have be the holder of a lottery ticket. Yeah, 1:59:41.040 --> 1:59:44.000 maybe it'll work. And if it works, I'm a billionaire. 1:59:44.360 --> 1:59:46.880 And if I can convince someone it kind of works, 1:59:47.200 --> 1:59:50.320 maybe I get Aqua hired by Google, and then I 1:59:50.480 --> 1:59:53.280 make half a million dollars yeah, you know, and like, 1:59:53.400 --> 1:59:55.440 and I only have to get to like, you know, 1:59:55.640 --> 1:59:57.400 next month to make that happen. 1:59:57.600 --> 1:59:59.600 I just got to convince some dopeoo's here right now. 2:00:00.000 --> 2:00:02.040 I believe all the TV people believe it fully, and 2:00:02.120 --> 2:00:04.120 I get it. And I'm a big dumb ape. I 2:00:04.200 --> 2:00:05.400 see a giant scream like. 2:00:05.520 --> 2:00:08.080 Yeah, baby, oh yeah, I want to see the TVs 2:00:08.160 --> 2:00:11.720 at this so goo and I got mad because I 2:00:12.280 --> 2:00:14.440 saw I think I was looking at the Vergis coverage 2:00:14.520 --> 2:00:16.840 or something, and there's a new TV technology that's better 2:00:16.920 --> 2:00:21.480 than I MINI bought the best. I bought the I 2:00:21.560 --> 2:00:23.120 bought the you know the one, the one really good 2:00:23.160 --> 2:00:25.240 Sony one. I got the really good Sony. I'm like, 2:00:25.240 --> 2:00:27.160 I don't want a fucking better TV. This is as 2:00:27.200 --> 2:00:29.280 good as TV's need to be. Seventy seven inches, it's 2:00:29.320 --> 2:00:29.880 true black. 2:00:30.160 --> 2:00:30.440 Stop. 2:00:31.160 --> 2:00:31.480 I don't know. 2:00:31.560 --> 2:00:34.400 Just to be clear, you'll you'll find they haven't really 2:00:34.480 --> 2:00:35.280 made better than that. 2:00:35.520 --> 2:00:39.040 Like I know it'll be in ten years. I'm still 2:00:39.120 --> 2:00:39.800 just like, stop it. 2:00:40.480 --> 2:00:42.080 I don't know if you're gonna have kids. 2:00:42.160 --> 2:00:45.360 But I've heard a couple of dad sentences, both in 2:00:45.440 --> 2:00:47.960 this TV discussion and earlier when you were like, now 2:00:48.080 --> 2:00:49.480 I saw a good product. 2:00:50.880 --> 2:00:53.040 I'm oh yeah, but I was able to buy this 2:00:53.120 --> 2:00:55.280 TV because I'm not as price sensitive as a real dad, 2:00:55.600 --> 2:00:56.680 because I don't have the kids. 2:00:56.720 --> 2:00:58.920 That's why I got to get the get the get 2:00:58.960 --> 2:00:59.480 the good one. 2:00:59.520 --> 2:01:01.840 And it's like, as a child have a that's the 2:01:01.920 --> 2:01:05.320 normal way to say it, Like big screen, big Screen's fine. 2:01:05.320 --> 2:01:07.000 It's like, you got a big screen, that's the coolest 2:01:07.040 --> 2:01:09.600 thing to shoot, big screen, giant screen, to play Minecraft 2:01:09.680 --> 2:01:11.760 on your fucking best father in the world. 2:01:11.840 --> 2:01:15.240 Two so you can both play it in separate rooms, 2:01:15.280 --> 2:01:17.440 so you don't have to talk to me exactly what 2:01:17.560 --> 2:01:17.920 they want. 2:01:18.000 --> 2:01:20.400 One of the most cherish things is watching my son 2:01:20.480 --> 2:01:24.080 play Minecraft explaining shiit to me. But we're not talking 2:01:24.080 --> 2:01:26.640 about a normal thing. We're talking about what the consumer 2:01:26.720 --> 2:01:28.640 wants separate themselves. 2:01:28.680 --> 2:01:30.400 We're talking about what that guy who did the tweet 2:01:30.440 --> 2:01:33.120 about how he gets boiling mad if he spends more 2:01:33.200 --> 2:01:35.080 than ten minutes with children. 2:01:36.000 --> 2:01:36.600 Did you see this? 2:01:36.800 --> 2:01:39.760 There's some dad was like, am I normal? If I 2:01:39.840 --> 2:01:43.680 spend more than ten minutes? Was it day with my children? 2:01:43.800 --> 2:01:43.960 Day? 2:01:44.200 --> 2:01:46.480 My blood boils? That's normal? 2:01:46.600 --> 2:01:46.760 Right? 2:01:46.880 --> 2:01:49.920 But everybody was like, hey, buddy, that's not totally normal. 2:01:50.000 --> 2:01:52.040 But like, we totally get it. Being a dad is hard. 2:01:52.160 --> 2:01:55.280 You're a balance, you know, for that is, but not 2:01:56.160 --> 2:01:59.000 like ten minutes should not because you can you have 2:01:59.080 --> 2:02:00.640 a lot more of those in the day with the 2:02:00.760 --> 2:02:01.840 child than that. 2:02:02.600 --> 2:02:04.600 Yeah, I mean, it seems like this guy doesn't have to. 2:02:04.880 --> 2:02:07.880 But it reminds me of when when you know, the 2:02:08.000 --> 2:02:11.400 COVID lockdown first happened, and all the parents and the 2:02:11.480 --> 2:02:12.920 ones on the internet were suddenly like. 2:02:13.320 --> 2:02:16.640 Someone needs to help me from being around my kid. 2:02:18.240 --> 2:02:19.840 I thought you liked having the kids. 2:02:20.560 --> 2:02:22.680 Now you're mad that you got to be around the kids. 2:02:23.920 --> 2:02:25.280 Why do you Why do you have the kid if 2:02:25.280 --> 2:02:27.320 you don't want to be around them. And it also 2:02:27.480 --> 2:02:30.040 makes you realize that like, oh yeah, the main purpose 2:02:30.080 --> 2:02:32.840 of school was not education. It was just childcare so 2:02:32.960 --> 2:02:35.080 people could go to work. That's why they're complaining. They're like, 2:02:35.080 --> 2:02:35.880 I need to go to work. 2:02:36.240 --> 2:02:38.560 Well, that's You've just revealed a fucked up thing about 2:02:38.600 --> 2:02:41.000 school and parenting all at once. I actually think that's 2:02:41.040 --> 2:02:43.080 the lens. I'm going to go through everything tomorrow. 2:02:43.080 --> 2:02:45.560 I'm just going to look around the exposent to being like, okay, 2:02:45.640 --> 2:02:47.280 what's the shoot where it's just people like I need 2:02:47.360 --> 2:02:50.080 to get away from my obligations, like I made these 2:02:50.120 --> 2:02:54.120 fucking decisions throughout my life. I got a fucking fast, 2:02:54.440 --> 2:02:56.480 unhealthy bitch of a cat I got. 2:02:57.440 --> 2:02:59.560 We were all waiting on what that last word was 2:02:59.600 --> 2:02:59.880 gonna be. 2:03:03.120 --> 2:03:04.160 There some options. 2:03:07.840 --> 2:03:10.440 It's like cat okay. He's saying cat okay. 2:03:10.680 --> 2:03:13.839 So I wasn't referring to any of my perfect fucking angels, 2:03:14.320 --> 2:03:16.480 but it's like these people were just like, Okay, I 2:03:16.600 --> 2:03:18.160 need to find it if my cat's healthy, because I 2:03:18.160 --> 2:03:21.040 don't want to look at it or use it. Can 2:03:21.080 --> 2:03:23.440 I keep my child in the separate room? Can I 2:03:23.520 --> 2:03:25.360 give it an action figure that can go a. 2:03:25.480 --> 2:03:27.920 Robot and an action figure that will talk to each other. 2:03:28.000 --> 2:03:30.640 And and also if you want any of these things, 2:03:30.680 --> 2:03:33.760 don't worry. They don't fucking work. They don't even do 2:03:34.040 --> 2:03:36.920 the thing that we're promising you. But it's funny. Just 2:03:36.960 --> 2:03:38.960 imagine this guy is walking and being like, please get 2:03:38.960 --> 2:03:41.840 me away from all this. Can this is the robot 2:03:41.880 --> 2:03:45.080 gonna be Oh, the robot's gonna fall over. It's falling over. 2:03:45.440 --> 2:03:47.000 It's gonna kick me in the nuts. Do you see 2:03:47.040 --> 2:03:49.080 that video the guy just getting fucking hoofed in the 2:03:49.160 --> 2:03:52.400 nuts by That was great. If you've got a bootho 2:03:52.560 --> 2:03:55.560 guy's being kicked in the balls, I don't care what 2:03:55.680 --> 2:03:57.680 you're selling me, fucking Lockheed mouth. 2:03:59.440 --> 2:04:01.240 I mean, so that made me kind of sad. Like 2:04:01.320 --> 2:04:03.440 there was one that was I don't want to say 2:04:03.440 --> 2:04:05.160 the name of it because it did make me sad, 2:04:05.200 --> 2:04:07.280 but it was a little It was like a little toy, 2:04:07.400 --> 2:04:10.120 like a little Hello Kitty type toy, and. 2:04:10.600 --> 2:04:12.400 It was, you know, you could talk to it. 2:04:12.760 --> 2:04:14.000 Was it the one that was like the future of 2:04:14.120 --> 2:04:15.000 robot Friend. 2:04:15.280 --> 2:04:16.440 Something like that. It was a funny. 2:04:21.040 --> 2:04:23.560 It was also like it'll watch everything that you do 2:04:23.760 --> 2:04:26.640 and remember it. And I was like all right, and 2:04:26.720 --> 2:04:28.560 I and I walked up and I was like, oh right, 2:04:28.600 --> 2:04:29.560 what was it doing here? 2:04:29.600 --> 2:04:29.800 It is? 2:04:29.840 --> 2:04:30.960 I was like, oh, can I talk to it? And 2:04:31.400 --> 2:04:33.480 she was like no, you know, the Wi Fi is 2:04:33.560 --> 2:04:33.840 in here. 2:04:34.360 --> 2:04:36.640 In here is bad and it uses chat GPT, so 2:04:36.720 --> 2:04:39.000 it can't connect to chat GPT right now. And I'm like, 2:04:39.120 --> 2:04:42.240 this is just some somebody put like a couple hundred 2:04:42.240 --> 2:04:44.400 grand of their own money into like a little doll 2:04:44.480 --> 2:04:47.720 that connects to the Chat GPT API and is here 2:04:47.880 --> 2:04:51.520 thinking that's anything, like like, why would we want such 2:04:51.560 --> 2:04:54.080 a thing? Why would anybody here be excited by just 2:04:54.160 --> 2:04:56.839 a front end to chat GPT a product that already exists. 2:04:57.120 --> 2:04:59.200 But that's the thing I think. I feel like, as 2:04:59.200 --> 2:05:00.920 we're rapids a good way to put it. It's like 2:05:01.280 --> 2:05:03.600 there are two there are two real cons with AI. 2:05:03.720 --> 2:05:06.360 There's the con of the consumer being told it will 2:05:06.440 --> 2:05:08.520 do this for you, that for you'll be a personal assistant. 2:05:08.760 --> 2:05:10.920 And then there's for companies that are like, yeah, if 2:05:10.960 --> 2:05:14.000 we put chat GPT in this, it'll be smart. No, motherfucker, 2:05:14.280 --> 2:05:16.360 he's not gonna do that at all. And it's like 2:05:16.440 --> 2:05:18.520 it's you don't want to name the company, which is fine, 2:05:18.680 --> 2:05:20.320 but it's like there are so many that were there 2:05:20.440 --> 2:05:22.160 last year as well. It's like, oh, it's an agent. 2:05:22.240 --> 2:05:24.920 It's like it's just a fucking chat bot and you've 2:05:25.000 --> 2:05:27.520 poorly trained it and it's like gonna tell you that 2:05:28.240 --> 2:05:31.400 Taiwan is part of China or like BDSM shit like, 2:05:31.760 --> 2:05:34.800 and it's just quite sad. It's like everyone is being 2:05:34.960 --> 2:05:38.000 conned by these companies. Yeah, both the consumer and the 2:05:38.120 --> 2:05:40.760 companies themselves. I can't wait to catalog them. I'm looking 2:05:40.760 --> 2:05:43.320 forward to watching the sadness. But it's just it's it 2:05:43.480 --> 2:05:45.960 is quite sad. I'm so glad I'm here a week. 2:05:46.040 --> 2:05:50.440 This is great, my dark my joker, Like it's a shrug. 2:05:50.840 --> 2:05:53.160 It's a shrug economy. Like everyone just sort of hoping. 2:05:53.480 --> 2:05:56.560 Like I was talking to people about the Disney open 2:05:56.640 --> 2:06:00.320 a ideal because that's like a bunch of people in Hollywood. Yeah, 2:06:00.360 --> 2:06:02.600 like freaked out about it, especially writers who are worried 2:06:02.600 --> 2:06:03.600 about IP and stuff like that. 2:06:04.080 --> 2:06:05.520 But like my take on if you look at the 2:06:05.600 --> 2:06:08.520 deal is nobody even knows why they're doing it. 2:06:08.640 --> 2:06:11.120 Yeah, Like open Ai has the idea that, like, we 2:06:11.240 --> 2:06:15.000 need licensed characters for Sora, and Disney just doesn't want 2:06:15.040 --> 2:06:18.920 to be left out. Yeah, but like they think, they 2:06:18.960 --> 2:06:21.960 appear to think maybe it's marketing for Disney. Plus open 2:06:22.040 --> 2:06:24.720 Ai has some idea maybe people will want to create 2:06:24.840 --> 2:06:28.080 scenes of Deadpool hanging out with Elsa or whatever. 2:06:28.760 --> 2:06:31.640 How does that result in money? Question mark? Nobody knows. 2:06:32.200 --> 2:06:35.480 Yeah, it loses money, But like Disney is just like 2:06:35.640 --> 2:06:38.040 not getting left out of a thing. That's maybe the future. 2:06:38.200 --> 2:06:41.160 Open Ai is making a deal that makes their business 2:06:41.200 --> 2:06:43.600 look better to whoever the fuck is gonna give them 2:06:43.640 --> 2:06:47.600 money next, and they didn't even pay Disney for it. 2:06:47.720 --> 2:06:50.520 Like they're doing a licensing deal where they pay Disney 2:06:50.560 --> 2:06:53.240 in open Ai stock, which Disney already bought more of, 2:06:53.480 --> 2:06:56.280 and in fact, Disney has the option to buy more stock. 2:06:56.920 --> 2:07:00.760 It's just you gotta wonder what happens when open Ai collapses, 2:07:00.800 --> 2:07:04.040 because he's gonna fucking help. And it's just like these 2:07:04.080 --> 2:07:06.600 companies will change to the Chinese models, I guess, or 2:07:07.040 --> 2:07:08.720 what remains of anthwer It's. 2:07:08.720 --> 2:07:10.200 Just everyone can use quin. 2:07:10.800 --> 2:07:14.720 Yeah, the quick Kimmy took too deep sea. 2:07:14.600 --> 2:07:15.200 Gotta be fine. 2:07:15.360 --> 2:07:17.160 Well, all right, I'm gonna wrap it there so I 2:07:17.200 --> 2:07:20.200 don't just launch into a rant about AI as per 2:07:20.320 --> 2:07:22.920 fucking usual. Thank you so much. We've got the core 2:07:23.000 --> 2:07:24.800 three here. It's gonna be joining us the next day 2:07:24.880 --> 2:07:26.640 or two. It's gonna be wonderful. Thank you so much 2:07:26.680 --> 2:07:28.720 for traveling in with us. We're gonna end the episode 2:07:28.720 --> 2:07:32.520 as we have, dedicated to Sean Paul. He's a wonderful fella. 2:07:32.600 --> 2:07:36.600 Came in twenty twenty. 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