WEBVTT - Death On The Operating Table: Surgeon Charged After Removing the Wrong Organ

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, that folks. It is Thursday, April sixteenth, and a

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<v Speaker 1>surgeon has been charged with manslaughter because his patient died

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<v Speaker 1>on the operating table. The patient died after the doctor

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<v Speaker 1>removed the wrong organ. And with that, welcome to this

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<v Speaker 1>episode of Amy and TJ. Yes, this doctor is facing

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<v Speaker 1>manslaughter charges at this point. We give you an update

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<v Speaker 1>on the story that's been making some headlines. Again, Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to Amy and TJ. Robes is sitting this one out.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll she'll be back with us here in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>But wanted to give you this update because it is

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<v Speaker 1>a significant one and it's something that a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>people will kind of relate to, haven't We all at

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<v Speaker 1>some point had a surgery. Always get nervous when you

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<v Speaker 1>have surgery, but you don't think something like this is

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<v Speaker 1>going to happen. A doctor can't identify the right organ. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>to get you caught up. He's been making some headlines

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<v Speaker 1>this week because the doctor was finally officially charged. Us

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<v Speaker 1>say finally because the incident happened last year last summer.

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<v Speaker 1>In particular, this happened in Florida, where a doctor by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Thomas Shaikovsky was operating on a patient

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<v Speaker 1>by the name of Bill Bryant, seventy years old. Bill

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<v Speaker 1>Bryan was actually from Alabama. Bill Bryan was in Florida

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<v Speaker 1>in the destined area for vacation with his wife, and

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<v Speaker 1>while they were there, he started complaining of some severe

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<v Speaker 1>stomach pain. So they started going into the doctor to

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<v Speaker 1>get some help. The doctor kept recommending that, yes, you

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<v Speaker 1>need to go into surgery, we need to remove your spleen. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Bryan is from Alabama. He doesn't know this doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>he doesn't know these people, so he wants to go

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<v Speaker 1>back to Alabama when the trip is over, get the

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<v Speaker 1>surgery done there. The doctor, according to Bill Bryan's wife,

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<v Speaker 1>and according to a lawsuit that has been filed, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>get into that, Bill Bryan insisted on going home, but

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor, Thomas Shaikowsky, pressured them repeatedly, stayed on them.

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<v Speaker 1>You have to get it done here. It's going to

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<v Speaker 1>be dangerous if you go. So after days of this

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<v Speaker 1>back and forth, Bill Brian eventually agrees to do this surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>goes in for surgery. He does not come out of surgery,

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<v Speaker 1>died on the operating table from what they say was

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<v Speaker 1>catastrophic blood loss. This happened at a hospital ascension. Sacred

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<v Speaker 1>Heart is the name of it. So the doctor Thomas Schakowski.

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<v Speaker 1>This has been going on, this investigation since last summer

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<v Speaker 1>when the operation took place and when Bill Brian died.

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<v Speaker 1>They have now finally got to the point that this

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<v Speaker 1>week they were ready to charge him with second degree manslaughter.

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<v Speaker 1>He's also facing a lawsuit by the widow of Bill Brian,

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<v Speaker 1>and they allege some pretty unbelievable stuff frankly, from a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>from the nurses from the hospital, and they are alleging

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<v Speaker 1>a cover up. So the incident, let's go in particular.

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<v Speaker 1>So they go and they say for this surgery that

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<v Speaker 1>mister Brian needs to have his spleen removed now after

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<v Speaker 1>the surgery, So what happens in the surgery is that

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<v Speaker 1>the doctor, the nurses, they all kind of describe a

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<v Speaker 1>chaotic scene in which Bill Bryant actually goes into cardiac

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<v Speaker 1>arrest at one point during the surgery, and the doctor continues.

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<v Speaker 1>The surgeon continues on with what he's doing, which is

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<v Speaker 1>trying to remove a spleen. So you can only imagine

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<v Speaker 1>the scene the chaos that is now described. Blood apparently

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<v Speaker 1>is going everywhere and at some point the nurses, according

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<v Speaker 1>to reports, according to the lawsuit, we're trying to tell

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<v Speaker 1>him you didn't remove the spleen, you remove the wrong thing.

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<v Speaker 1>He ended up removing the liver spleen. Liver. Man comes

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<v Speaker 1>in to have a spleen removed, a liver gets taken out,

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<v Speaker 1>and it leads, according to authorities, to this man's death.

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<v Speaker 1>Now still after according to authorities, after the surgery, after

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Bryan died, after the liver was removed again the

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<v Speaker 1>wrong organ, the doctor, doctor Schakowski, reportedly still insisted, still

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<v Speaker 1>insisted that he had done the right thing, that he

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<v Speaker 1>had done the right surgery, that he had removed the

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<v Speaker 1>right organ. It wasn't until the pathologist was brought in

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<v Speaker 1>started checking out and doing some tests on the tissue

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<v Speaker 1>that was removed and said, nah, this is liver tissue.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's when the medical examiner got involved, was brought in,

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<v Speaker 1>took a look at the body Bill Brian's body and said, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>the spleen is right there, still intact, still where it's

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be. You didn't remove it. And that's when

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<v Speaker 1>they officially realized that this had been removed, that the

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<v Speaker 1>liver instead of the spleen had been removed. Obviously, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>could was trying to figure out what is going on,

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<v Speaker 1>How could something like this happen? But the widow of

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<v Speaker 1>Bill Brian did file a lawsuit, and it's in this

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<v Speaker 1>lawsuit that we're getting more information about the allegations and

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<v Speaker 1>in particular a cover up. Not only was a mistake made,

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<v Speaker 1>according to the lawsuit filed by Bill Brian's widow, the hospital, nurses,

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<v Speaker 1>the doctors were all complicit and all involved in trying

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<v Speaker 1>to cover up what has happened. So the widow has

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<v Speaker 1>sued everybody, yes doctor Shikowski of course, but also nurses involved.

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<v Speaker 1>Insuing the hospital. They said they went as far in

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<v Speaker 1>the cover up, and it wasn't just about the stories

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<v Speaker 1>they were telling to the family members or other people

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<v Speaker 1>at the hospital. They said they actually falsified records in

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<v Speaker 1>an attempt to cover up what had taken place and

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<v Speaker 1>told the wife afterwards, according to her, told her that

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<v Speaker 1>the spleen was actually four times larger than it should

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<v Speaker 1>have been and that it had actually moved to a

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<v Speaker 1>different side of his body. They were trying to find

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<v Speaker 1>a way. According to Bill Brian's widow and her attorney,

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<v Speaker 1>they were trying to find a way to explain away

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<v Speaker 1>what had happened. So it was four times larger and

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<v Speaker 1>moved to another side of his body. I said, that

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<v Speaker 1>was just a part of the setup and the cover

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<v Speaker 1>up and trying to tell a different story and try, frankly,

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<v Speaker 1>to not get sued. But here's a thing, this doctor

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<v Speaker 1>had been sued before. This was not the first was

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<v Speaker 1>it even the second time that doctor Thomas Schakowsky has

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<v Speaker 1>run into trouble, and including legal trouble and also trouble

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<v Speaker 1>having to do with patients having wrong things removed, and

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<v Speaker 1>also having to do with patients dying on his operating table.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, as wild as the story sounds, how could

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<v Speaker 1>this happen, that the wrong organ could be removed? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like something that would be so incredibly rare,

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<v Speaker 1>But it's not the first time this doctor has made

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<v Speaker 1>a mistake like this. Stay here we will explain why

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<v Speaker 1>some say this doctor should have been nowhere near h spital.

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<v Speaker 1>We continue here on an amulst Amy and TJ following

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<v Speaker 1>up on the doctor that was arrested this week. The

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<v Speaker 1>surgeon arrested being charged with manslaughter after his patient died

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<v Speaker 1>during what was supposed to be a laparoscopic splenectomy, that is,

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<v Speaker 1>removing the spleen. What ended up being removed was the liver. Catastrophic,

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<v Speaker 1>as they put a catastrophic blood loss resulted and the

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<v Speaker 1>patient by the name of Bill Bryant, seventy year old

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<v Speaker 1>man from Alabama, did die. He's not the only patient

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<v Speaker 1>who was in doctor Schaikowsky's care that died. Another patient

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<v Speaker 1>in twenty twenty three. So we go back. It was

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<v Speaker 1>two years before this most recent incident, in another incident,

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<v Speaker 1>in another surgery, a procedure was done in which they

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<v Speaker 1>say the doctor was accused of removing part of the

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<v Speaker 1>patient's in testine. He wasn't supposed to do this. A

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<v Speaker 1>whole developed. This patient eventually ended up in ICU, and

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<v Speaker 1>this patient eventually died. Yes, another patient of this particular

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<v Speaker 1>doctor died on the operating table based on what they

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<v Speaker 1>say was another issue of this doctor doing something wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's not it. In the same year twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>when he had a patient die in that same year,

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<v Speaker 1>he had another issue months prior. And get this, that

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<v Speaker 1>issue and that operating room was another wrong site surgery.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what they call it. What that means is he

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<v Speaker 1>was supposed to be operating on one thing and he

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<v Speaker 1>was operating on something else. This had to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the pancreas. That patient did not die, but that patient

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<v Speaker 1>did sue and they settled that. So a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>folks are telling you, how is this guy able to

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<v Speaker 1>make these mistakes, bounce around from hospitals even different states

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<v Speaker 1>at times, and continue to work. Well, we don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's why a lawsuit has been filed and you

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<v Speaker 1>can only imagine what they are going after. You can

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<v Speaker 1>only imagine what the defense is going to be when

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about a hospital and a wrongful death. But

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<v Speaker 1>that lawsuit is going through the process now. So you

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<v Speaker 1>have a civil arm of this case and you now

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<v Speaker 1>have a criminal arm to this case. Should let you

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<v Speaker 1>know his license has been now suspended, hasn't been taken away.

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<v Speaker 1>A lot of people tell you should have been taken

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<v Speaker 1>away a long time ago. But he is not practicing anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>But Bill Bryan is dead at the age of seventy

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<v Speaker 1>because he didn't because his surgeon didn't know the difference

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<v Speaker 1>between the spleen and the liver. I'm not going to

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<v Speaker 1>suggest that I would understand the anatomy if it's not

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<v Speaker 1>the childhood game operation. I don't have a good handle

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<v Speaker 1>on what the human body and what parts are where

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<v Speaker 1>and all of this. But the dude's a surgeon, so

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like almost it seems almost impossible that you

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<v Speaker 1>could remove the wrong thing, that you could remove a

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<v Speaker 1>different organ. But the widow is looking for those answers

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Police are looking for those answers, and they

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<v Speaker 1>might also be looking at more of this doctor's background.

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<v Speaker 1>And yes, whatever punishment may or may not come his way,

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<v Speaker 1>there are plenty who will tell you there is punishment

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<v Speaker 1>that need to come to somebody who allowed this guy

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<v Speaker 1>to keep working in their hospitals and in particular, in

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<v Speaker 1>their operating rooms. I just wanted to give you this

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<v Speaker 1>update on a story that's been making a hell of

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of headlines and a lot of people trying

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<v Speaker 1>to explain how this happened and why this happened. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>how is incredible? How is it possible that a surgeon,

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<v Speaker 1>somebody with a degree could go into somebody's body and

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<v Speaker 1>take the wrong thing out. I always appreciate you spending

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<v Speaker 1>spending some time with us, though, I'm TJ. Holmes on

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