Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Thursday, April sixteenth, and a
Speaker 1: surgeon has been charged with manslaughter because his patient died
Speaker 1: on the operating table. The patient died after the doctor
Speaker 1: removed the wrong organ. And with that, welcome to this
Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. Yes, this doctor is facing
Speaker 1: manslaughter charges at this point. We give you an update
Speaker 1: on the story that's been making some headlines. Again, Welcome
Speaker 1: to Amy and TJ. Robes is sitting this one out.
Speaker 1: We'll she'll be back with us here in a little bit.
Speaker 1: But wanted to give you this update because it is
Speaker 1: a significant one and it's something that a lot of
Speaker 1: people will kind of relate to, haven't We all at
Speaker 1: some point had a surgery. Always get nervous when you
Speaker 1: have surgery, but you don't think something like this is
Speaker 1: going to happen. A doctor can't identify the right organ. Well,
Speaker 1: to get you caught up. He's been making some headlines
Speaker 1: this week because the doctor was finally officially charged. Us
Speaker 1: say finally because the incident happened last year last summer.
Speaker 1: In particular, this happened in Florida, where a doctor by
Speaker 1: the name of Thomas Shaikovsky was operating on a patient
Speaker 1: by the name of Bill Bryant, seventy years old. Bill
Speaker 1: Bryan was actually from Alabama. Bill Bryan was in Florida
Speaker 1: in the destined area for vacation with his wife, and
Speaker 1: while they were there, he started complaining of some severe
Speaker 1: stomach pain. So they started going into the doctor to
Speaker 1: get some help. The doctor kept recommending that, yes, you
Speaker 1: need to go into surgery, we need to remove your spleen. Well,
Speaker 1: Bill Bryan is from Alabama. He doesn't know this doctor,
Speaker 1: he doesn't know these people, so he wants to go
Speaker 1: back to Alabama when the trip is over, get the
Speaker 1: surgery done there. The doctor, according to Bill Bryan's wife,
Speaker 1: and according to a lawsuit that has been filed, we'll
Speaker 1: get into that, Bill Bryan insisted on going home, but
Speaker 1: the doctor, Thomas Shaikowsky, pressured them repeatedly, stayed on them.
Speaker 1: You have to get it done here. It's going to
Speaker 1: be dangerous if you go. So after days of this
Speaker 1: back and forth, Bill Brian eventually agrees to do this surgery,
Speaker 1: goes in for surgery. He does not come out of surgery,
Speaker 1: died on the operating table from what they say was
Speaker 1: catastrophic blood loss. This happened at a hospital ascension. Sacred
Speaker 1: Heart is the name of it. So the doctor Thomas Schakowski.
Speaker 1: This has been going on, this investigation since last summer
Speaker 1: when the operation took place and when Bill Brian died.
Speaker 1: They have now finally got to the point that this
Speaker 1: week they were ready to charge him with second degree manslaughter.
Speaker 1: He's also facing a lawsuit by the widow of Bill Brian,
Speaker 1: and they allege some pretty unbelievable stuff frankly, from a doctor,
Speaker 1: from the nurses from the hospital, and they are alleging
Speaker 1: a cover up. So the incident, let's go in particular.
Speaker 1: So they go and they say for this surgery that
Speaker 1: mister Brian needs to have his spleen removed now after
Speaker 1: the surgery, So what happens in the surgery is that
Speaker 1: the doctor, the nurses, they all kind of describe a
Speaker 1: chaotic scene in which Bill Bryant actually goes into cardiac
Speaker 1: arrest at one point during the surgery, and the doctor continues.
Speaker 1: The surgeon continues on with what he's doing, which is
Speaker 1: trying to remove a spleen. So you can only imagine
Speaker 1: the scene the chaos that is now described. Blood apparently
Speaker 1: is going everywhere and at some point the nurses, according
Speaker 1: to reports, according to the lawsuit, we're trying to tell
Speaker 1: him you didn't remove the spleen, you remove the wrong thing.
Speaker 1: He ended up removing the liver spleen. Liver. Man comes
Speaker 1: in to have a spleen removed, a liver gets taken out,
Speaker 1: and it leads, according to authorities, to this man's death.
Speaker 1: Now still after according to authorities, after the surgery, after
Speaker 1: Bill Bryan died, after the liver was removed again the
Speaker 1: wrong organ, the doctor, doctor Schakowski, reportedly still insisted, still
Speaker 1: insisted that he had done the right thing, that he
Speaker 1: had done the right surgery, that he had removed the
Speaker 1: right organ. It wasn't until the pathologist was brought in
Speaker 1: started checking out and doing some tests on the tissue
Speaker 1: that was removed and said, nah, this is liver tissue.
Speaker 1: And that's when the medical examiner got involved, was brought in,
Speaker 1: took a look at the body Bill Brian's body and said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: the spleen is right there, still intact, still where it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be. You didn't remove it. And that's when
Speaker 1: they officially realized that this had been removed, that the
Speaker 1: liver instead of the spleen had been removed. Obviously, nobody
Speaker 1: could was trying to figure out what is going on,
Speaker 1: How could something like this happen? But the widow of
Speaker 1: Bill Brian did file a lawsuit, and it's in this
Speaker 1: lawsuit that we're getting more information about the allegations and
Speaker 1: in particular a cover up. Not only was a mistake made,
Speaker 1: according to the lawsuit filed by Bill Brian's widow, the hospital, nurses,
Speaker 1: the doctors were all complicit and all involved in trying
Speaker 1: to cover up what has happened. So the widow has
Speaker 1: sued everybody, yes doctor Shikowski of course, but also nurses involved.
Speaker 1: Insuing the hospital. They said they went as far in
Speaker 1: the cover up, and it wasn't just about the stories
Speaker 1: they were telling to the family members or other people
Speaker 1: at the hospital. They said they actually falsified records in
Speaker 1: an attempt to cover up what had taken place and
Speaker 1: told the wife afterwards, according to her, told her that
Speaker 1: the spleen was actually four times larger than it should
Speaker 1: have been and that it had actually moved to a
Speaker 1: different side of his body. They were trying to find
Speaker 1: a way. According to Bill Brian's widow and her attorney,
Speaker 1: they were trying to find a way to explain away
Speaker 1: what had happened. So it was four times larger and
Speaker 1: moved to another side of his body. I said, that
Speaker 1: was just a part of the setup and the cover
Speaker 1: up and trying to tell a different story and try, frankly,
Speaker 1: to not get sued. But here's a thing, this doctor
Speaker 1: had been sued before. This was not the first was
Speaker 1: it even the second time that doctor Thomas Schakowsky has
Speaker 1: run into trouble, and including legal trouble and also trouble
Speaker 1: having to do with patients having wrong things removed, and
Speaker 1: also having to do with patients dying on his operating table.
Speaker 1: I know, as wild as the story sounds, how could
Speaker 1: this happen, that the wrong organ could be removed? Well,
Speaker 1: it seems like something that would be so incredibly rare,
Speaker 1: But it's not the first time this doctor has made
Speaker 1: a mistake like this. Stay here we will explain why
Speaker 1: some say this doctor should have been nowhere near h spital.
Speaker 1: We continue here on an amulst Amy and TJ following
Speaker 1: up on the doctor that was arrested this week. The
Speaker 1: surgeon arrested being charged with manslaughter after his patient died
Speaker 1: during what was supposed to be a laparoscopic splenectomy, that is,
Speaker 1: removing the spleen. What ended up being removed was the liver. Catastrophic,
Speaker 1: as they put a catastrophic blood loss resulted and the
Speaker 1: patient by the name of Bill Bryant, seventy year old
Speaker 1: man from Alabama, did die. He's not the only patient
Speaker 1: who was in doctor Schaikowsky's care that died. Another patient
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty three. So we go back. It was
Speaker 1: two years before this most recent incident, in another incident,
Speaker 1: in another surgery, a procedure was done in which they
Speaker 1: say the doctor was accused of removing part of the
Speaker 1: patient's in testine. He wasn't supposed to do this. A
Speaker 1: whole developed. This patient eventually ended up in ICU, and
Speaker 1: this patient eventually died. Yes, another patient of this particular
Speaker 1: doctor died on the operating table based on what they
Speaker 1: say was another issue of this doctor doing something wrong.
Speaker 1: But that's not it. In the same year twenty twenty three,
Speaker 1: when he had a patient die in that same year,
Speaker 1: he had another issue months prior. And get this, that
Speaker 1: issue and that operating room was another wrong site surgery.
Speaker 1: That's what they call it. What that means is he
Speaker 1: was supposed to be operating on one thing and he
Speaker 1: was operating on something else. This had to do with
Speaker 1: the pancreas. That patient did not die, but that patient
Speaker 1: did sue and they settled that. So a lot of
Speaker 1: folks are telling you, how is this guy able to
Speaker 1: make these mistakes, bounce around from hospitals even different states
Speaker 1: at times, and continue to work. Well, we don't know,
Speaker 1: and that's why a lawsuit has been filed and you
Speaker 1: can only imagine what they are going after. You can
Speaker 1: only imagine what the defense is going to be when
Speaker 1: you talk about a hospital and a wrongful death. But
Speaker 1: that lawsuit is going through the process now. So you
Speaker 1: have a civil arm of this case and you now
Speaker 1: have a criminal arm to this case. Should let you
Speaker 1: know his license has been now suspended, hasn't been taken away.
Speaker 1: A lot of people tell you should have been taken
Speaker 1: away a long time ago. But he is not practicing anymore.
Speaker 1: But Bill Bryan is dead at the age of seventy
Speaker 1: because he didn't because his surgeon didn't know the difference
Speaker 1: between the spleen and the liver. I'm not going to
Speaker 1: suggest that I would understand the anatomy if it's not
Speaker 1: the childhood game operation. I don't have a good handle
Speaker 1: on what the human body and what parts are where
Speaker 1: and all of this. But the dude's a surgeon, so
Speaker 1: it seems like almost it seems almost impossible that you
Speaker 1: could remove the wrong thing, that you could remove a
Speaker 1: different organ. But the widow is looking for those answers
Speaker 1: right now. Police are looking for those answers, and they
Speaker 1: might also be looking at more of this doctor's background.
Speaker 1: And yes, whatever punishment may or may not come his way,
Speaker 1: there are plenty who will tell you there is punishment
Speaker 1: that need to come to somebody who allowed this guy
Speaker 1: to keep working in their hospitals and in particular, in
Speaker 1: their operating rooms. I just wanted to give you this
Speaker 1: update on a story that's been making a hell of
Speaker 1: a lot of headlines and a lot of people trying
Speaker 1: to explain how this happened and why this happened. But yeah,
Speaker 1: how is incredible? How is it possible that a surgeon,
Speaker 1: somebody with a degree could go into somebody's body and
Speaker 1: take the wrong thing out. I always appreciate you spending
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