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Speaker 1: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 1: is b Matt Williamson, and it is a rainy Friday

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Speaker 1: here in Pittsburgh, the weekend kicking off. Yeah, let's go,

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Speaker 1: but plenty of stuff to talk to you here, got

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Speaker 1: to get you through the weekend. And well, Steelers had

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Speaker 1: some additional pre draft visitors today. You had Nick m Mawarie,

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Speaker 1: the safety from South Carolina, Jalen Noell, the wide receiver

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Speaker 1: from Ohio State, so both Iowa State receivers. I bet

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Speaker 1: I've been here out Jamari Calbwell, the nose tackle from Oregon,

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Speaker 1: and Jackson Dart, the quarterback from Ole, miss Okay.

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Speaker 3: All in favor of doing all the due diligence on Dart.

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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe in love with him. You're definitely gonna

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Speaker 3: maybe you're playing against him. Maybe he falls further than

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Speaker 3: you think. But I think we're both in agreement. I

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Speaker 3: don't think he's going to be the pick of twenty

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Speaker 3: one I very much believe that Caldwell, to me, of

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Speaker 3: the names, is maybe the most likely stealer. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: could see them as a mid round. Being really high

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Speaker 3: on him. Active, kind of a not so great body.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's a lot of jiggling going on. But

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Speaker 3: it's not like he's not in shape.

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Speaker 1: I mean he really I like him a lot. You know,

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Speaker 1: we were asked yesterday on the podcast which player in

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Speaker 1: might be him.

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Speaker 3: That's not a bad call. Yeah, big backside, a lot

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Speaker 3: of stuff going on, but there's a lot of action. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: he's very right, right right, it's a good call. Who

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Speaker 3: else are we talking about.

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Speaker 1: Here, Noel, we've talked, We talked a lot about.

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Speaker 3: Them, Noell. Yeah, yeah, I mean third round consideration. I

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Speaker 3: would say hard time kicks, Yeah, returns kicks, has a

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Speaker 1: I think he's a faster version of Deontay Johnson.

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Speaker 3: don't get it. Yeah, I've got three safeties on your roster.

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Speaker 3: Who were did you schedule that one before Thornhill? And

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Speaker 1: You can't just say, well, let's bring this guy in.

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Speaker 1: Yeah he's a unicorn. Let's take a look at him.

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Speaker 3: Some people think he's a nickel linebacker or two, and

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Speaker 1: Uh So, yesterday we had our question and answer period

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Speaker 1: Gear asked, with the addition to Sleigh, do you think

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Speaker 1: that type of thing too. Joey Bag of Doughnuts asked,

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Speaker 1: why can't Jalen Warren be the guy and get almost

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, you know this isn't going to be

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Speaker 1: Mike Foster as if the Steelers do not take a

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Speaker 1: defensive lineman in the first round, is pick eighty three

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Speaker 1: too late to address the position? Well? No, no, not

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Speaker 3: I would think you'd love to have. I don't know

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Speaker 3: that only the eighty third pick solves your D line problem.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Josh Gesuys, are you sad? Joe Milton chose the

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Speaker 1: Secondly, I don't know that Milton chose where he got

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Speaker 1: I don't even know if the Steelers made him an offer.

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Speaker 3: I heard they were one of four teams or whatever

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Interest is not an offer, right right, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Rudolph Be the case too, I meing is of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. So those were I think were the questions that

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're seeing we were a little be thinking more

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Speaker 1: Harrison Harrison was one that did it last year. Didn't

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Speaker 3: No, and even like genty hasn't run a forty and

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Speaker 1: Well some of that with those things. You also now

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Speaker 3: Like twenty seventy yard runs too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's plenty of evidence of running away from defenders

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Speaker 3: But I just don't think he's a great track guy,

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Speaker 1: And it might be situations where guys don't want to

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Speaker 3: It's not making me a better player, right, I'll never

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Speaker 3: forget when Deontay Johnson got drafted. He sat down with

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Speaker 1: On the other hand of this, I also see the

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Speaker 1: I'm hiring you as for a writing job, and you

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Speaker 3: Right or just the ones I like, not the ones

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Speaker 1: I'll skins them, but on my own I will also

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Speaker 1: do my own scouting on that. And look, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: Or I'm not good, I'm not gonna do it. But

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Speaker 3: What was I gonna say?

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Speaker 3: I'm not as on top of Pro Day numbers as

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean nobody did Nobody did them, right? I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. And I think when people started declining it

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Speaker 3: And then I think it's been easier just to say no.

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Speaker 3: And it is an interesting movie. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: You turned down the drug test. I'm gonna first off,

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Speaker 1: to a Breaky is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network.

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Speaker 1: When we come back. Now that we're three weeks out,

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Speaker 1: it's time for Matt and I to revisit our top

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Speaker 2: This as the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

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Speaker 2: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 1: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson and Matt. About three or four weeks ago,

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Speaker 1: we put together our top twenty one list for the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers to draft at pick twenty one, and I

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Speaker 1: thought we'd do that again to circle back around here.

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Speaker 1: Now that all the pro days are pretty much done.

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Speaker 1: The combine is in the books. We're down to the

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So let's take a look at where we would

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Speaker 1: stack the players. Who Again, the way this works if

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Speaker 3: At pick twenty one, you have to make a pick.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's going to be there, and it may not be

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Speaker 1: these are the point They won't be.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, it won't be. I mean, it's going to be.

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Speaker 1: Some players who are our list who are going to

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Speaker 3: Many you hope, yeah, I mean, but you hope to

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Speaker 3: because it's your board. It's not a generic board. It's

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Speaker 3: who do I take? If that guy's gone, who do

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Speaker 3: let's take in I mean a lot of this is

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So I think we start here with

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Speaker 1: do you start with cam Ward? No, you start with

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you disagree.

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Speaker 1: I do, actually do you, But I think you fight

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Speaker 3: Player agreed, except I think Hunter is so special and

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Speaker 1: To if words were available at twenty one, you would

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Speaker 3: That's why I'm ruled. That's why I would pick Hunter

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Speaker 3: We're really I get it again. Neither one of them

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Speaker 3: So I'm just gonna put them down. Yeah, that's fine.

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Speaker 3: The number three is a conversation, yeah, because I'm not

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Speaker 1: I don't think in our initial rankings on this we

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Speaker 3: He would be lower for me.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be way lower for me.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Carter is still my three. But I

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Speaker 3: I don't know who to pit put in that spot. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean I guess you wouldn't turn your That's the

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Speaker 3: thing is that you just have such a high grade

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Speaker 3: In a perfect world, you get to pick Genie comes

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Speaker 3: good thought. Yeah, all right, so I put Carter four. Yeah,

438
00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,000
Speaker 3: and again, I mean we're splitting hairs. None of these

439
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,920
Speaker 3: guys are gonna be there, but right, Yeah, that's that's

440
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,080
Speaker 3: the magic of it all.

441
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,320
Speaker 1: At five is where it starts to get interesting.

442
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:24,280
Speaker 3: I don't know who that player is. You know who

443
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:31,560
Speaker 3: it might be, Tyler Warren. Oh, I understand where you're

444
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:36,680
Speaker 3: coming from. I was thinking, Will Johnson, do you start

445
00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,199
Speaker 3: already getting into the D lineman.

446
00:20:38,600 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 1: That's the that's the next question, right, Is that your

447
00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 1: head straight there?

448
00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 3: I actually did a DK podcast on Golden after we

449
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 3: were done yesterday, just saying I could understand taking him

450
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:53,479
Speaker 3: at twenty one. I'm not sure I'm taking them at five,

451
00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,680
Speaker 3: but I'm not taking any of these guys at five obviously.

452
00:20:58,160 --> 00:20:59,360
Speaker 3: I don't know who This answer is.

453
00:20:59,359 --> 00:21:05,680
Speaker 1: Based on what you need. We had. We had Walter

454
00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 1: at least, I had Walter Nolan there the first time

455
00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,879
Speaker 1: through mm hmm. I might still be there.

456
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean again, I'm not sure I'm taking Warren

457
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 3: or Loveland or Golden.

458
00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:22,000
Speaker 1: He's my number one rated defensive tackle.

459
00:21:22,280 --> 00:21:26,800
Speaker 3: Over any defensive tackle. My choice of D tackles doesn't

460
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:28,920
Speaker 3: mean he's the fifth best player in the No. That

461
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 3: draft that does a different things. That's way two different things.

462
00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 3: I don't know what their names to put there. I

463
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,679
Speaker 3: mean I might go de tackle, de tackle, de tackle tackle.

464
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:41,159
Speaker 1: Exactly right right. You might might be Walter Nolan, Kenneth Grant,

465
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,560
Speaker 1: Derek Harmon, you know, right down the.

466
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 3: List, I would probably take Graham over Harmon.

467
00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 1: I mean Grant or Mason Graham.

468
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:52,919
Speaker 3: Mason Graham.

469
00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:54,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if I would.

470
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:58,160
Speaker 3: I know that's a tough one. It's a tough one.

471
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: It's where you Where are you playing Mason Graham in

472
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: a three four defense with the short arms?

473
00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 3: Right? I don't like it at all. I would rather

474
00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,359
Speaker 3: be my Oaken Jobi.

475
00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:09,439
Speaker 1: I would Harmon.

476
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:11,240
Speaker 3: I get it.

477
00:22:11,720 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 1: He's got the longer he's got, the better put, the

478
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: better his D tackles. Then I think you do.

479
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not a If Jamar Chase was in this draft,

480
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 3: it'd be different. If Jalen Ramsey was in there.

481
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,879
Speaker 1: Those guys would be different. But they're not. They're not

482
00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:28,959
Speaker 1: in you know.

483
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 3: I mean if Penney Suel was in this draft, I'd

484
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 3: take him over those guys. I mean, just because they're

485
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 3: such great prospects. There aren't many great prospects. I think

486
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 3: the next three year D tackle?

487
00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: Do you like them? In that order? Nolan Harmon would

488
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: be last. Nolan Grant Harmon.

489
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:53,920
Speaker 3: Sure, I think Golden would be next. For me.

490
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 1: Um, I think looking at it. He might. If Will

491
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:13,400
Speaker 1: Johnson was there, Johnny Barron was there, I.

492
00:23:13,359 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 3: Would take Golden over Baron. I don't know if i'd

493
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: take Golden over Johnson.

494
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 1: Hmmm. I mean Johnson's long. Let's put Johnson down here. Yeah,

495
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,440
Speaker 1: I think he. I think he's.

496
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,560
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh, I'm a fan, and it's hard to find

497
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 3: that guy.

498
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, guys six two and two hundred pounds.

499
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,360
Speaker 3: And I'm not sure I take Harmon over Johnson.

500
00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 1: I would. I think it's a bigger Yeah, I mean,

501
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:43,919
Speaker 1: I know that big. I mean, and that's where this

502
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 1: because well, the best player available, no best player available

503
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 1: at a position of need. No for my team, yeah,

504
00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,960
Speaker 1: my team, right, some of the other guys we had

505
00:23:55,040 --> 00:24:01,119
Speaker 1: up there, Campbell, Tyler Warren.

506
00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 3: I would take Golden and Baron over Warren. Yeah, yeah,

507
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 3: or in any alignment I didn't. Baron and Baron versus Golden,

508
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 3: to me is a real conversation.

509
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:17,880
Speaker 1: It is because if.

510
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 3: There's any thoughts that Pickens could be traded, I don't

511
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 3: think it's gonna happen. I don't either, but I do

512
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 3: think some of the things I mentioned in the podcast

513
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 3: is Okay, Golden's your pick at twenty one all right,

514
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:34,000
Speaker 3: and then Tennessee calls you and says you want the

515
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,640
Speaker 3: second pick in the second round for pickens. I got

516
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:39,520
Speaker 3: this ward guy, but I got nobody to catch the ball.

517
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,000
Speaker 3: Like cool, Well, Harmon might be there, you know, you

518
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like you might.

519
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and that's why you do your dude.

520
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:50,880
Speaker 3: Right, exactly right, you know. But I just like Golden's

521
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 3: game a lot. Again, that's not a knock on Baron. Yeah,

522
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,480
Speaker 3: And I mean Baron does a lot of different stuff.

523
00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 3: If you're three stutterers, t isn't such a bad thing either.

524
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:08,960
Speaker 3: You just play more eleven. Yeah. I'm not going to

525
00:25:09,040 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 3: fight either way on those. Either way, we'll put Golden there.

526
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:20,040
Speaker 3: Then I'm probably getting into like Mason Graham and Warren

527
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 3: and things that won't happen. But you'd have to consider

528
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:26,400
Speaker 3: if they fall that far.

529
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,399
Speaker 1: I just don't see Mason Graham fitting.

530
00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 3: He doesn't fit the defense.

531
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:38,400
Speaker 1: He's got short arms. He's a three hundred pound defensive

532
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:40,560
Speaker 1: tackle with short arms, and he's always on the ground

533
00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: now he makes play. He's a four to three defensive tackle,

534
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 1: that's what he is.

535
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,800
Speaker 3: There's a lot of fourth and they're in a four

536
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:48,680
Speaker 3: ran front of time.

537
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 1: I understand that, Like, but am I taking a guy

538
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,600
Speaker 1: who's going to be a situational pass rusher? Am I

539
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:58,320
Speaker 1: going to take Demarvin Leal in the first round? No?

540
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 3: Rough? Le Al was lining up on every nickel and

541
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:02,760
Speaker 3: dime snap.

542
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 1: But they didn't, you know, well they took they took

543
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: the Marvin lee out with that thought in mind.

544
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,919
Speaker 3: But they took him in the third round, not in

545
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 3: the first round, not with the twenty. I mean, this

546
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 3: guy's a much better prospect than Lealwell.

547
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,359
Speaker 1: I understand, right, but I'm not taking a situational pass

548
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,960
Speaker 1: rusher in the first round. And that's what makes it sense.

549
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,840
Speaker 3: That's what his ceiling, That's what his ceiling is, right,

550
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:25,440
Speaker 3: is a situational pass rusher. He's not going to put

551
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,720
Speaker 3: that situations like two thirds of the time.

552
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, But even thus, those guys don't play all the time,

553
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:34,800
Speaker 1: like you're still going to rotate.

554
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 3: I think when we get down to like seventeen eighteen nineteen,

555
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: Alfred Collins is going to come up, Tyleek Williams is

556
00:26:42,560 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: going to come up Alexander.

557
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,760
Speaker 1: And I think those guys might play more.

558
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,720
Speaker 3: I said, would you take Graham ahead of that tier?

559
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 3: I mean, how far are we dropping him? I mean,

560
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:54,920
Speaker 3: if he's on the top twenty one, I could understand.

561
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,280
Speaker 1: I mean, if that conversation, if he could play the nose,

562
00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,480
Speaker 1: if I thought he could play, and that's why I'm go.

563
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:01,399
Speaker 1: He can't. He's not.

564
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 3: He can't in the right defense, and it's not ideal, oguin.

565
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: Joby last year played forty percent of the snaps right right,

566
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 1: That's why they felt they could release him.

567
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:14,800
Speaker 3: Then he was never a great fit to begin with. Yeah,

568
00:27:15,119 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 3: if I'm gonna draft it a little heavier too, he is, yeah, yeah,

569
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: I'm and he's his arms are right way long.

570
00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:23,880
Speaker 1: I mean, he had some of the traits that you're

571
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: looking for there. This guy doesn't.

572
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,680
Speaker 3: So you would take Collins and those guys Alexander.

573
00:27:32,680 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 1: Way better fit. I want the scheme fit. I'm not

574
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: going to take it. I'm not in the first round

575
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 1: of the draft. I Am not taking a square peg

576
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 1: and pounding it into a round hole right now. I

577
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,000
Speaker 1: get that that's what I got to do in the

578
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 1: third or fourth round, because that's what's left. That's different. Well,

579
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: that's different, right, But I've got I've got my pick

580
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 1: of all but twenty players in the draft. At this point,

581
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,640
Speaker 1: I can take the guy who's the scheme fit.

582
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 3: I get it. I mean I don't have a problem

583
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,880
Speaker 3: with him not being in the top twenty one.

584
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't love the prospect.

585
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:10,720
Speaker 3: I don't either. I thought he's been overrated even since

586
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,240
Speaker 3: the beginning.

587
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 1: I think I had him And when we did our

588
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: initial rankings for the Triple Take, I didin't got him

589
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: third among my defensive tackles, and that was a stretch.

590
00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think he's a little overblown nationally. He's

591
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 3: not a very good athlete. Okay, who's next then?

592
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,080
Speaker 1: Okay, so we just said Matthew Golden, Johnny Baron.

593
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 3: How many have we got? Somewhere like eight? We got ten? Okay,

594
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: we're up to ten. Omari and Hampton's going to be

595
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 3: in here somewhere it should or Sanders in consideration. I'm

596
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: just thinking position by position.

597
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 1: I think he's in consideration.

598
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 3: I mean he could be within the next eleven.

599
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: Somewhere in that group.

600
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Hampton could be in consideration.

601
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: I would consider some of the offensive tackles.

602
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say this neighborhood. I might consider tackle

603
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 3: and tight ends. Yeah, it's not the position of need,

604
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,280
Speaker 3: but eventually they're too good to pass up.

605
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if I can. If I got to

606
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: take Will Campbell and I do move him to guard

607
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 1: next year, or I've got I've got him as my

608
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: swing guy this year and next year he's a he's

609
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 1: a guard. I'm fine with that.

610
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 3: I mean, he might be better than McCormick. Or see

611
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 3: Themalu today, right, yeah, and then seem Old leaves and

612
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 3: right right, how about McMillan. I think he'll be in

613
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 3: the list. He'll be on the list, not this high.

614
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 3: I would take the tackles over him. Yeah, you take

615
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: Hampton over McMillan. Yes, Fill's a way bigger needs, way

616
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 3: bigger need. But there's a lot more of them. There

617
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 3: might be a better back than McMillan is a receiver.

618
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's he's a better Yeah, Like he is

619
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: a top thirty two back all day long. Whereas if

620
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: McMillan's in last year's draft, he's the fifth or sixth

621
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 1: best wide receiver. If that, if that.

622
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 3: Is there a corner of the still in the mix.

623
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: Let's see, we've got three on the board.

624
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: New ravel was clean as could be. I'd consider it,

625
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:08,680
Speaker 3: but I don't know how you can put him in

626
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:09,080
Speaker 3: there now?

627
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I hear you on that.

628
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:14,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's a line time.

629
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: I think it is, oh line time. You just don't

630
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: turn your nose up at a good offensive lineman.

631
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: I would do Campbell and Membo in either order, either order,

632
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: right right, with really good solid prospects right right. But

633
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:28,480
Speaker 3: I don't know that I have Banks in my top

634
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 3: of twenty one.

635
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: I don't think so.

636
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: I don't see enough of him being a difference maker.

637
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: And Membo is a better athlete than what I gave

638
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,960
Speaker 1: him credit for the first time around. Through this, I

639
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: thought he was going to be strictly a guard. Yeah yeah,

640
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: I don't think the difference that splitting the hairs between

641
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: the two. I think Membo is a he's a right tackle.

642
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,160
Speaker 3: I think he's a right tackle or a guard.

643
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: Whereas Campbell could play left tackle, right tackle.

644
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah great. So in the old line,

645
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: just give me five great players will figure out where

646
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 3: they're at, right right. That's why I pay a coach.

647
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,800
Speaker 1: So that gives us twelve players we need nine more.

648
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: Would Warren will be next?

649
00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so.

650
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Over Hampton, over McMillan.

651
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 1: Well, now you know what not over Hampton?

652
00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm fine with that. I think if they're both

653
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: sitting there at twenty one, you'd take Hampton.

654
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: He again, he fills the big, much bigger need.

655
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Speaker 3: And yeah, yeah, And then I think you put Tyler

656
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 3: Warren at fourteen. I take Warren over McMillan.

657
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: Yeah.

658
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 3: Would you take Loveland over McMillan.

659
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: I think I would.

660
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 3: I think I would too. He's a really good player too.

661
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think he and Warren are right next to

662
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: each other.

663
00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:48,480
Speaker 3: And what about I'm just throwing names out. What about Simmons?

664
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: What about Shador? What about the edge?

665
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: I think we're about where the point now, where Shador

666
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: at sixteen would be. I mean, it's a consideration. I

667
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,600
Speaker 1: would take the defensive tackles ahead of him. I would

668
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 1: take a Marian Hampton.

669
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: Would you take the next group of defensive tackles overshdor

670
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 3: Malak and Collins? And it's tough, It's it's a hard

671
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,880
Speaker 3: that's a tough question. Would you take Booker?

672
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: I'm not taking a pure guard.

673
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: I don't think he's a good fit either. Would you

674
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:31,719
Speaker 3: take Zabel? Would you take Simmons?

675
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: I wouldn't take Zabel either, because I've got a center,

676
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: so he's not going.

677
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 3: To find my left guard, so he's going to be

678
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: a guard. Yeah, so I'm not taking a guard in

679
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 3: the first round. Yeah, Simmons would probably be my highest

680
00:32:45,320 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 3: graded O lineman. Yeah, because I don't need him right

681
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 3: now anyway. If he's not ready, I might not him

682
00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:52,280
Speaker 3: next year though.

683
00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 1: That's the problem, right, I mean, he's only that, and

684
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 1: you're not going to kick him in the guard.

685
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 3: And I don't know that I want to kick if

686
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,560
Speaker 3: Atanu and Jones are a great group of first round tackles.

687
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 3: I don't want to move one of them to guard. No.

688
00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:05,120
Speaker 3: I mean you could, but I don't want to.

689
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, people, well maybe you move the Latona to guard.

690
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: Why because he's you know, because he's got right Yeah. Like, no,

691
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: I'm not moving him to guard just because.

692
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 3: Right right. I mean the tackles I take in mocks

693
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 3: or third rounders, you know, they're not I have to

694
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:25,440
Speaker 3: move somebody to get him in. Yeah, did we put

695
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 3: Loveland in?

696
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's at fifteen.

697
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:33,600
Speaker 3: I might go McMillan next. Okay, over saying that's what

698
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here thinking, is that's my time you take

699
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 3: the quarterback? Just again, because yeah, I think he. I mean,

700
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,320
Speaker 3: we don't talk highly of Sanders, but I still think

701
00:33:47,320 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 3: he's gonna be an NFL starting quarterback, right, Yeah, I mean,

702
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 3: I mean right again, I think that the ceiling is

703
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,920
Speaker 3: toua yeah, but I would rather aim higher next year.

704
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 3: But but there's a point. There's a price point here.

705
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: There's a price point, right, and i'd be I've got

706
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,280
Speaker 1: a bunch of players on this list that I would

707
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: take ahead.

708
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 3: Of them McMillan next, I think Williams Collins. I don't

709
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 3: think any of the safety.

710
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: Here's the problem with tep McMillan for this particular team.

711
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: You've got two outside receivers right outside the number of guys.

712
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 1: Where's he playing at?

713
00:34:32,120 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: That's the thing.

714
00:34:33,719 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you could do.

715
00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,879
Speaker 3: I mean, I'd still take him over Abuca. Yeah, would

716
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:39,720
Speaker 3: you take him over Burden?

717
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:42,840
Speaker 1: Yeah?

718
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it doesn't mean yes, I don't have

719
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: twenty one. I don't love Burden, I don't love any

720
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 3: of them. Nor becomes the issue there. I don't love

721
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,120
Speaker 3: any of those wide receivers. And that's actually a chance

722
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 3: that all of them are sitting there at twenty one now,

723
00:34:58,520 --> 00:35:00,720
Speaker 3: so it will be some other name wrenched.

724
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: Yeah.

725
00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,399
Speaker 3: Maybe no, we don't have a single We got one

726
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 3: edge rusher on there. There might be six or seven that.

727
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,080
Speaker 1: Go with the right.

728
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 3: Would you consider putting any of those on now? Like

729
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 3: you're taking those guys over teed McMillan, I don't even

730
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 3: know which one I pick.

731
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean camp right right right, I just I

732
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: don't need it.

733
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 3: They'd be fighting for for playing time, yeah, and have

734
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 3: a tough fight on their hands.

735
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 1: Right yeah, I mean, and if they do happen to

736
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: win it, I've just benched a really good football m hm.

737
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 3: And I don't think the nature of this exercise is Okay,

738
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: I'm a draft green and then trade high Smith pickings

739
00:35:36,200 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: is a little different because maybe he gets traded, but

740
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 3: he Smith's not getting traded. I mean, like there's no

741
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 3: intentions of trading him. Yeah. Corner three, wide receiver three

742
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 3: Jackson dart no running back three. No, I just don't

743
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:04,280
Speaker 3: see that either line three maybe maybe maybe it's probably

744
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 3: Simmons for me, think you're looking at maybe Banks. Banks

745
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 3: might be a guard defensive lineman. The next couple d linemen,

746
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 3: I like, I mean they're probably second round player. I

747
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 3: could see Banks here, Yeah, just because again, he maybe

748
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,439
Speaker 3: he is a guard. He's a guard that can play

749
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 3: tackle him in that tackle that they can play guard.

750
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 3: There's a lot of value there.

751
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:30,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think so. Yeah, even though the Texas

752
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: offensive tackles or offensive linemen in general hasn't really worked out.

753
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:34,680
Speaker 3: No, that's a good point.

754
00:36:35,080 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: You put M on the list somewhere.

755
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 3: I'm thinking that too, just too good of a I mean,

756
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 3: your safeties other than Menka aren't signed passed next year, right, right,

757
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:53,719
Speaker 3: I get it. I mean, but you consider it like

758
00:36:53,840 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 3: Johan Campbell. No, I'm good at inside linebacker. Yeah, I

759
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,960
Speaker 3: don't need to add another guy to that, right. I

760
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 3: can't imagine taking a mare over Alfred Collins if it

761
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: came down to it, you know, like, boy, all the

762
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:15,680
Speaker 3: wrong guys are gone, which means four or five defensive

763
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 3: tackles already went. Yeah, I think I gotta grab Williams

764
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 3: or Collins or Alexander.

765
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 1: The biggest the biggest problem.

766
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 3: It's a hard exercise, is it?

767
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:32,919
Speaker 1: The cornerback class? After those first three guys, nobody's really

768
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: distinguished themselves.

769
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 3: Recut Hunter is one of the three. Yeah, Okay, I say,

770
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,320
Speaker 3: I'm not sure who our corner four would.

771
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:41,479
Speaker 1: Be that that's the problem, right, and are they worth

772
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,319
Speaker 1: the first round draft pick? There's something they've either got

773
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: some they've got some kind of issue, either medical or

774
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: play style or whatever.

775
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 3: I know this is an ideal for a first round pick,

776
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 3: but we're not an ideal land here. If Ravel's not

777
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,880
Speaker 3: ready till Thanksgiving? Do I care I have Sleigh?

778
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: I kind of do.

779
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 3: I mean a big pick for.

780
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: I'm giving up a big pick for the guy, but

781
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: he's a corner I would rather have the nose the

782
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: big guy. If that's the case, I'll get the cornerback

783
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: either later in this draft or I'll get him next year.

784
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: Next year, Right, and he's going to contribute this year.

785
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,319
Speaker 1: He's going to go a through training camp in the

786
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 1: offseason program. I don't want to draft a guy who's

787
00:38:25,600 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: in the Roman Wilson situation before we ever even snapped

788
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:28,840
Speaker 1: the football.

789
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 3: Right. If I knew that there was a good chance

790
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 3: he's ready for camp, I think his name would be

791
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 3: down by now. Yeah, But I don't know.

792
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know if that's the case.

793
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if ben you know, I don't know

794
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 1: if Benjamin Morris's hip is you know, they're good football players.

795
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 3: But we put mc millan down yet, uh we have not.

796
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 3: To me, I think it comes down to McMillan versus

797
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: the next group of D linemen.

798
00:38:57,600 --> 00:39:00,600
Speaker 1: Okay, to me, it comes down to all these dudes

799
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: are off the board at this point. I am definitely

800
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 1: trying to trade it out.

801
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, this is a terrible spot to use the

802
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 3: twenty first pick, and it would never happen, right, I mean,

803
00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 3: Georgia Edge guys are going to go and Mason Graham's

804
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 3: lame on our list. I mean, like he's going to go,

805
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 3: you know, right, I mean, you never have this dilemma,

806
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 3: but you might. If you trade to thirty, you might,

807
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Or if you trade, if

808
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:21,400
Speaker 3: someone blows your doors off and you get out of

809
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 3: the first round altogether, this board doesn't change. You just

810
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: scratch some names off it, and you still have to

811
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 3: make the decision. I think i'd start going D line.

812
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:32,920
Speaker 3: I think so as well. I might take McMillan over

813
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 3: the D lineman because the pickens trading thing I think

814
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,200
Speaker 3: could be real. You know, like, if McMillan falls out

815
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: of the sky and you take him at thirty, how'd

816
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 3: at least field offers for pickens.

817
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,399
Speaker 1: Let's take a break. Okay, think about this a little

818
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: bit further. We've got seventeen names on our board. We'll

819
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,399
Speaker 1: go over the list when we get back, and then

820
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 1: we will finish off the list. Kay, when we get back,

821
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Speaker 1: how about that all right? He is Matt Williams. I

822
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here on

823
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Speaker 1: the Steelers Audio Network. We're building our Steelers top twenty

824
00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: one list who we would draft at twenty one. We'll

825
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: finish off the list when we come back.

826
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Speaker 4: Right after this in the list is the Drive with

827
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Speaker 4: Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on your twenty four to

828
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Speaker 4: seven Home of the Black and Gold cast in Steelers

829
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Speaker 4: Nation Radio.

830
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Speaker 1: Then welcome back. I am Dale Lollly. He is Matt Williamson,

831
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Speaker 1: and we're going through our list of the twenty one

832
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:36,839
Speaker 1: players we would take at twenty one if we were

833
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: running the Steelers draft room, and we got seventeen players

834
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: on the board. Just to recap here, cam Ward, Travis Hunter,

835
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Speaker 1: Ashton Genty Abdull Carter Walter, Nolan, Kenneth Grant, Derek Harmon,

836
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: So three defensive tackles in a row. Will Johnson, the

837
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: cornerback from Michigan. Matthew Golden, the wide receiver from Texas,

838
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:04,480
Speaker 1: Johnny Barron, the cornerback from Texas, Will Campbell, the offensive

839
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 1: lineman from LSU. Armand Membo, the offensive lineman from Missouri.

840
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,359
Speaker 1: Omarion Hampton, the running back from North Carolina. I might

841
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:16,760
Speaker 1: bump him ahead of those offensive linemen.

842
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:21,240
Speaker 3: Hmm.

843
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: He would be a very very valuable player.

844
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean Aaron Rodgers taking snaps with Hampton and

845
00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:29,160
Speaker 3: more like. You might have a real good offense. You

846
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 3: might have a yes, a real good offense. I'm fine

847
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: with that. A year from now, you might regret it.

848
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: It might be be sitting there like I got Will

849
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,600
Speaker 3: Campbell sitting here to take over for Siamalu and he's

850
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,000
Speaker 3: way over qualified for the job.

851
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: No again, I may draft that guy in the you know,

852
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 1: do it that way. You don't have to have superstars

853
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,319
Speaker 1: at every all five positions on the offensive line, but

854
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 1: a superstar running back would it.

855
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 3: Be nice right now?

856
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 1: Yeah? Tyler Warren and Colston Loveland, the two tight ends

857
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 1: at fourteen and fifty.

858
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 3: They're different, but they're both very valuable.

859
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 1: Yeah. Shador Sanders, quarterback from Colorado, at sixteen, and we

860
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 1: got Kelvin Banks, the offensive tackle from Texas at seventeen.

861
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: He may also be a guard, Yeah, the same, It

862
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,880
Speaker 1: would be something, Yeah, the same conversation. You're everything there

863
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 1: with Campbell and Membo.

864
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 3: So went and refreshed my coffee, took a step back,

865
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:27,320
Speaker 3: and I'm sitting out there thinking, Man, how long ago?

866
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:29,799
Speaker 3: Pretend like you know nothing that happened in the last

867
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:32,439
Speaker 3: three hundred and sixty five days. How long ago would

868
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: we have listed Odoonsa and Brian Thomas and mconkee let alone,

869
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 3: Heartline or Harrison and Neighbors. Yeah, those guys were all

870
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 3: on our list last year, I know, but I mean

871
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:47,840
Speaker 3: like they would have been listed ahead of Nolan on

872
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: this list. I mean a lot of those dudes. How

873
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 3: long I mean, how early would McCarthy and Pennix and

874
00:42:53,000 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 3: Nick's been on this list, let alone Jake Daniels, you know,

875
00:42:57,840 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 3: six tackles. They would have been ahead of all everyone

876
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 3: we've listed.

877
00:43:01,400 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 1: In last year's draft. I mean there were twenty first

878
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:09,480
Speaker 1: round guys. Yeah, in that draft. This year's draft, after

879
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 1: the top ten to twelve guys, you're gonna be drafting

880
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:14,920
Speaker 1: second rounders in the first round.

881
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 3: That's really my point, which.

882
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 1: Again brings them back to positional value for your franchise.

883
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, and everyone knows that last year was a super

884
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 3: offensive heavy draft. Took a long time before the defensive

885
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,360
Speaker 3: player went. But we would have had the draftable version

886
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:35,879
Speaker 3: of Dejene and Quinn, Mitchell and Arnold ten picks ago.

887
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 1: They were all on our board last right year.

888
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 3: I mean, it just shows how weak this draft is

889
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 3: and how strong last year.

890
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 1: At the top, I think there's depth.

891
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:44,920
Speaker 3: I'm talking about top twenty one, yeah, but.

892
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,160
Speaker 1: The actual true first rounders not so much, right.

893
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 3: I mean I would take every name I just mentioned

894
00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 3: now over Walter, Nolan or Grant. I mean I'd take

895
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:57,680
Speaker 3: Nix and Pennox over those guys.

896
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in that situation. I'm just trying to

897
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: think of the defensive lineman last year.

898
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:05,479
Speaker 3: That was a bad group.

899
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:06,279
Speaker 1: It was a bad group.

900
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,320
Speaker 3: There were some edge guys Dallas.

901
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 1: Those guys would stow be very much in the mix.

902
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: Compared to other d tackles. Yes, but I'm just in

903
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:15,919
Speaker 3: terms of position, who who were taking, Like we loved

904
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 3: Brian Thomas and you know, I mean there were a

905
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: doonsay and these guys. I mean they were seriously, you'll

906
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 3: get the twenty one really fast or we're just struggling

907
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: to get to fifteen.

908
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: I think you put at eighteen. I think you go

909
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: defensive tackle.

910
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 3: I would saying I think the next three are d tackles.

911
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: The other conclusion I kind of come to and the

912
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 3: coffee was born out there, like Tylee Collins, Alexander in

913
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 3: that order. Yeah, Alexander third of those for me, but

914
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: I think they're all very similar in terms of grade.

915
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 1: Alfred Collins defensive tackle.

916
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:01,000
Speaker 3: I know Williams hasn't done a ton as a pass rusher,

917
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 3: but I'm not one hundred percent sure it's not in

918
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: him though.

919
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: I think it's. Yeah, I think it's definitely there.

920
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 3: He really seems to get better all the time. We

921
00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:12,880
Speaker 3: got one guy left then, okay, spot number twenty one.

922
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 3: Is McMillan on the list?

923
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:15,680
Speaker 4: Uh?

924
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: He is not.

925
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: I didn't think so. It'd probably be my vote or

926
00:45:21,280 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 3: Revel is Revel, but we missing anyone? Is that the

927
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 3: next best corner?

928
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: He's in Hairston a little light.

929
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's not Thomas for me.

930
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just thinking I suppose Revel is the next guy.

931
00:45:45,640 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: Him or McMillan or Birdy go with the safety and Meary.

932
00:45:51,239 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: I don't know that he's as great as he is

933
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:53,520
Speaker 3: a tester.

934
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:57,799
Speaker 1: But you'd have him for a year to yeah, work

935
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: with him.

936
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 3: He wouldn't be my pick. I'd take McMillan and revel

937
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 3: over him all right. Tat McMillan, it is right. I mean,

938
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 3: he'd be useful. Somebody'd be out of place, its loot,

939
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:14,320
Speaker 3: but okay, there's worse problems out.

940
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 1: You'd be a tough team to defend with all these

941
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: six six Foord wide receivers out there and.

942
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 3: Move them all around. They all take it hurt.

943
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: Really, I mean, honestly, if we if we're putting Warren

944
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 1: and Loveland on there, people are gonna scream up, why

945
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 1: another tight end? No, because I'm gonna playhim in the slot.

946
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 3: I'm playing the slot. I mean, I play a lot

947
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:34,080
Speaker 3: of thirteen. Yeah, and I like Friar moveth But there's

948
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,520
Speaker 3: a chance both those guys are better football players than him.

949
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:40,480
Speaker 3: Yeah they could. I mean, Washington's own thing, right, you know,

950
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:42,920
Speaker 3: And I don't think he'd limit his snaps. He has

951
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: a certain role.

952
00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: Warren and Loveland are both really good wide they're good receivers.

953
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 3: Right, especially I mean, Loveland isn't much of a blocker, right,

954
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 3: He's just there's he's a detached player that he's.

955
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 1: A better blocker than Teed McMillan. Right, McMillan won't block anybody.

956
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 3: But he's kind of abuka in terms of he'd be

957
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,919
Speaker 3: my slot and you know right right, yeah, yeah, I mean.

958
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:06,240
Speaker 1: You'd find it used for you would.

959
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:08,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, he would get a lot at thirteen, right, and.

960
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: He would be a tough match.

961
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 3: I mean's six to six, yeah, yeah, like the middle

962
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 3: of field guy.

963
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 1: And yeah, high Butcher five foot nine slot cornerback on him.

964
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 3: See how that works exactly. I mean, you're just gonna

965
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:19,760
Speaker 3: put defenses in binds.

966
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:22,360
Speaker 1: So do we move anybody around here? We got cam Ward,

967
00:47:22,600 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 1: Travis Hunter, Ashton Genty, Abdell Carter, Nolan, Grant and Harmon.

968
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 3: It's amazing that they're that high. It's not that I

969
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 3: dislike him, but again, they would never been in the

970
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 3: top ten last year. I mean, and they're good players,

971
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 3: it's just they're not fifth.

972
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:46,400
Speaker 1: Will Johnson, Matthew Golden, Johnny Baron, Will Campbell, armand Membo

973
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: Omarion Hampton, Tyler Warren, Colston Loveland, Shador Sanders, Kelvin Banks,

974
00:47:52,000 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 1: Tyler Williams, Alfred Collins, Dereck Alexander Tat McMillan. I think

975
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: I think Hampton's the one that maybe Hampton and Sanders

976
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: should be higher, should be higher. I don't think you

977
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: turn your nose up at the quarterback, even even if

978
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 1: he's not.

979
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 3: I don't want to settle a quarterback for a bee,

980
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 3: but there's a price point.

981
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:19,240
Speaker 1: Even like Daniel Jeremiah's rankings yesterday, he had Shador Sanders

982
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 1: as his nineteenth best player in this draft.

983
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:23,520
Speaker 3: Just pretty good, just pretty good.

984
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 1: I'll defer to to Daniel's scouting over my scouting.

985
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,720
Speaker 3: And frankly, if two years in he's good not great,

986
00:48:33,320 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: you can trade him get I mean you don't have to.

987
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to be an eighteen year veteran for you.

988
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 3: I mean, you can get out of it if you want.

989
00:48:40,480 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of where do you bump those

990
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 1: guys Like I would move Hampton ahead of Campbell and Membo.

991
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 3: I'm fine with that. I totally understand it. Yeah, I

992
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,000
Speaker 3: think he's I mean, he could be a pro bowler. Yeah,

993
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 3: he's more of an immediate need and need out. I

994
00:48:57,200 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 3: mean straps the want he helps you win a playoff

995
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: game next year?

996
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:01,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

997
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and maybe Sanders over Warren in Loveland? How about

998
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: Sanders versus Hampton. Just take a totally different view on things.

999
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:14,439
Speaker 3: One's a quarterback, one's a running back. I mean they're

1000
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,800
Speaker 3: just total ends the spectrum in terms of value.

1001
00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: True.

1002
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 3: And by that stretch, should Dark be twenty one? I

1003
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 3: don't love Dark, I shuck ahead of Dark, but it

1004
00:49:24,440 --> 00:49:29,600
Speaker 3: should be twenty one and twenty one? I mean, sitim

1005
00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:29,879
Speaker 3: a year.

1006
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: First of all, for us to get to twenty one

1007
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: and all these guys to be off the board would be.

1008
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: Well, it's impossible.

1009
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: Impossible. Yeah, it's not gonna happen.

1010
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 3: I mean our fifth guy might be I think our

1011
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:40,640
Speaker 3: fifth guy has a more than fifty percent chance of being.

1012
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 1: Our guys at five, six, and seven, Nolan, Grant, and Harmon.

1013
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 1: At least one of those guys is going to be

1014
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 1: available at twenty.

1015
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 3: One ninety eight percent chance. Yeah, and all three might

1016
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 3: be there fifteen percent chance, right right, which is bonkers.

1017
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: Like there's there's less of a chance that Will Johnson

1018
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:59,560
Speaker 1: will be there. There's less of a chance at Omar

1019
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: and ham and will be there. There's less of a

1020
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: chance that that should or Sanders is there.

1021
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, which kind of knows what we would

1022
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 3: end up doing at twenty one. But we do this

1023
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:14,919
Speaker 3: every day. We talk about this, right right. I'm cool

1024
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 3: with you bumping Hampton up. I think Sanders. I think

1025
00:50:18,080 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 3: you gotta take Sanders over the tight ends.

1026
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:20,960
Speaker 1: I think so too, Yeah.

1027
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: Versus the o Lineman. Tight End's a real luxury pick.

1028
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 3: It really linds a bigger need than tight end. Yeah, oh,

1029
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 3: no doubt, Okay, should do or Sanders at twelve? I'm

1030
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:37,160
Speaker 3: fine with that. And I don't think I would have Dart.

1031
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I mean I would understand

1032
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 3: he sits there and learns from Rogers from a year,

1033
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: and then you hope you have a gem and that's

1034
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,919
Speaker 3: worth it. But McMillan is more of the he'd help

1035
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 3: you want a playoff game now too, right, yeah, right,

1036
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,919
Speaker 3: And next year you'd be really happy that you did that. Yeah,

1037
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 3: And I don't know that where I don't they'll get

1038
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 3: a contract.

1039
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't know that you would be next year, you'd

1040
00:50:56,560 --> 00:50:58,359
Speaker 1: be real because I think next year you'd still might

1041
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: be in a quarterback market because now you worked with

1042
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 1: Dart for a you and you're like, okay.

1043
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 3: And I probably win, not necessarily, but you might win

1044
00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 3: fewer games with Dart as your first round pick than McMillan. Yeah,

1045
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 3: and you're picking a little higher and you're closer to

1046
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 3: the quarterback you really want, not the one you got,

1047
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, instead of picking twenty four,

1048
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 3: you're picking seventeen, and you go, well, I only have

1049
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 3: to move up five spots to get the guy I

1050
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 3: really want. Dart's on my team. Yeah, yeah, I don't

1051
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:26,560
Speaker 3: want to be married to him.

1052
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, where I could see Sanders being Okay, there's traits there, yeah, yeah, yeah,

1053
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,920
Speaker 1: there's more traits there for me with Sanders than there

1054
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:36,439
Speaker 1: are with Dark.

1055
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 3: You could easily be after year one, although he probably

1056
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,520
Speaker 3: wouldn't play either, but after year one you're like, I'm

1057
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:43,439
Speaker 3: excited for him to play.

1058
00:51:43,640 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, So we ended up

1059
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: with cam Ward, Travis Hunter, Ashton Genty, Abdull, Carter, Walter, Nolan,

1060
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: Kenneth Grant, Derek Harmon, Will Johnson, Matthew Golden, Johnny Barron,

1061
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:02,800
Speaker 1: Amari and Hampton, Shador, Sanders, Will Campbell Armand Membo, Tyler Warren,

1062
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: Colston Lovelin, Calvin Banks, tylerk Williams, Alfred Collins, Derrick, Alexander,

1063
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 1: Teed McMillan. As are twenty one.

1064
00:52:11,600 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 3: A lot of clusters, yeah, which is kind of tackle

1065
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: yea three d tackles, two linemen, you know, two tight

1066
00:52:17,600 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: ends if that makes sense. Yeah, I mean it's like

1067
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 3: we don't really need a tight end, but eventually you

1068
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:24,120
Speaker 3: would take one.

1069
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,760
Speaker 1: And if you look at it, two quarterbacks, three cornerbacks

1070
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 1: if you consider Hunter cornerback, if you consider him a

1071
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,759
Speaker 1: wide receiver, there's three wide receivers on there. One edge one,

1072
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 1: two running backs. Six defensive tackles, yeah, six, but in

1073
00:52:43,480 --> 00:52:49,839
Speaker 1: two different clusters. Yeah, and that one two three, yeah,

1074
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,839
Speaker 1: three offensive linemen, two tight ends and two tight ends,

1075
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,439
Speaker 1: no safety, no off the ball, one edge because he's

1076
00:52:57,480 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: really good. Yeah.

1077
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 3: I mean it's not worth talking about, but I wonder

1078
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 3: deep down, would you take edge two over McMillan.

1079
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe again Mason Graham over McMillan, right or yeah,

1080
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: or over you know Alexander. I mean, there's some good

1081
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,920
Speaker 1: football players that we left off of our list that

1082
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 1: we're on there the last time. If you look at

1083
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,479
Speaker 1: it had Campbell or the Graham was on our list

1084
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Speaker 1: the last time. Hi, Hi, Yeah, Josh Simmons was on

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Speaker 1: our list the last time.

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Speaker 3: I would understand.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Luther Burton was on our list last time. Buka

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Speaker 1: was on our list the last time.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know if they traded for Metcalf at

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Speaker 3: that point though they had not, So a big difference,

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Speaker 3: huge difference, right, That changes a lot of stuff. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I mean we might even considered if they can't trade

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Speaker 3: for Metcalf, Higgins might be on our list. Yeah you

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Speaker 3: know what I mean, Like you might start really digging

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Speaker 3: deep in the receivers where we're only get two and

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Speaker 3: one guy barely made it right, you know.

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Speaker 1: So anyways, let's get through a break. That's going to

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Speaker 1: do it for hour number one of the Drive here

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Speaker 1: on the Steelers Audio Network, Matt and I'll be back

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Speaker 1: with our number two right after this