1 00:00:00,320 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Brought to you by the reinvented two thousand twelve Camray. 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: It's ready. Are you welcome to stuff mom never told you? 3 00:00:10,200 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: From House to works dot com. Hey, welcome to the podcast. 4 00:00:17,880 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 1: This is Molly and I'm Kristen. Hey listeners. If you 5 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:24,239 Speaker 1: guys ever read our blog how to Stuff, which is should, 6 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: and you may notice that Kristin and I have sort 7 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: of a little ongoing competition, which is to mention the 8 00:00:30,040 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: show mad Men as many times as possible. Yes, it's frequently. 9 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: If you'll read my post one day features some some 10 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:41,479 Speaker 1: Don Draper, you know, reference, then Kristen will do it 11 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,000 Speaker 1: the next day. Yeah, it's not really just mentioning mad Men. 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:48,120 Speaker 1: It's specifically mentioning Don Draper, the lead character in mad Men. 13 00:00:48,560 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: Slash Mine and Molly's uh could I say dream crush? Yeah, 14 00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: I mean I think we're both fairly obsessed with this show. Yeah, 15 00:00:56,480 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: it's a great show if you don't watch it. Some 16 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: people say it's just sort of a good looking soap 17 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,360 Speaker 1: opera though I mean it kind of visitiveitely has some 18 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: soap opera elements, But you know what, um I will 19 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: I'm fine with that if I get to watch John 20 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: Hamm on screen in well fitting suits for forty minutes, right. 21 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: And so I was telling one of my good friends 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: about my dream crushes. Kristen put it on Don Draper 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:21,319 Speaker 1: and she started watching this show and she was like, 24 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 1: I just cannot watch this show because that guy makes 25 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 1: me so mad. He cheats on his wife all the time. 26 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: He's not a good guy. I'm just so sick of 27 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,200 Speaker 1: watching him full around. And I don't know if it's 28 00:01:31,240 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 1: just I don't know. I can put that aside because 29 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: I'm willing to think that maybe if I had been 30 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: around during that time period, I would have had an 31 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: affair with Don Draper. But it doesn't bother me as much. 32 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: But you can't deny that adultery is everywhere. Oh yeah, 33 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 1: these days. I mean we go at the Tiger Wood scandal, 34 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: we have this, uh all this new kerfuffle about John Edwards, 35 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:56,720 Speaker 1: John Elizabeth Edwards, and it's everywhere, everybody cheating hearts. Um. 36 00:01:56,840 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 1: So we thought we'd talked about adultery because men's got 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: to be good for something, and this lets us both 38 00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: get a point in the competition for talking about it well. 39 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:06,440 Speaker 1: And I think Madman is a good place to start 40 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:09,120 Speaker 1: with us because it does sort of play on the 41 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: stereotype of men and women sort of cheating for different reasons. Um, 42 00:02:15,000 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: spoiler alert, I guess a little bit. You know, Don 43 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: has sex with a lot of women who are not 44 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 1: his wife in the show, and it seems like, for 45 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: the most part, he rarely gets emotionally attached to them 46 00:02:26,520 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: at all. In cases where it's portrayed from the other end, 47 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,800 Speaker 1: where women are cheating, there does seem to be um 48 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 1: a bit more romantic attachment in their minds right there 49 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: looking for something that's missing from their nineteen fifties, only 50 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:44,079 Speaker 1: perfect from the outside marriage. And I think that that's 51 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: sort of the stereotype that we've been led to believe 52 00:02:47,600 --> 00:02:50,600 Speaker 1: that men will cheat because they just have to have 53 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 1: sex with anything that moves, to put it frankly, and 54 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 1: women are always gonna be looking for, you know, that 55 00:02:56,560 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: dream attachment, that dream relationship, the romance, the romance must 56 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,519 Speaker 1: never end. Yeah. Um, But this, and this also goes 57 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 1: back to uh an earlier episode entitled why does the 58 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: Sizzle Fizzle? But monogamy in general is not exactly in 59 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: our biological natures, as you point out in this article 60 00:03:16,600 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: that you wrote Molley for how stuff works. Um. There 61 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,320 Speaker 1: are very few completely sexually monogamous species. Um. One of 62 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: which is a flatworm that fuses to its partner until 63 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 1: its death. Yeah, basically a parasite. Yeah, that's the only 64 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: thing they can think of that's completely monogamous. Um. And 65 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: even an animal species that get together like human stew 66 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: to raise their young together, um, so called social monogamy. 67 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: Sexual monogamy is usually not part of the deal. They'll 68 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: do genetic testing on let's say, baby birds, and they'll 69 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: find that one male bird is stuck raising a brood 70 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 1: that ten of is not his. So if you look 71 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:55,720 Speaker 1: at it from just monogamy and nature, we're not built 72 00:03:55,760 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: for it. However, in the US, adultery in cheating in 73 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 1: general is a huge social taboo, and it's become even 74 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: more taboo in recent years. Um. This is according to 75 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:11,960 Speaker 1: the General Social Survey. In the seventies, sixty of men 76 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: and seventy three of women believe that marital infidelity was 77 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,120 Speaker 1: always wrong. In the two thousands, however, that is up 78 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: to seventy percent of men and eighty four percent of women, 79 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: which is pretty which is a pretty big jump, right. 80 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,080 Speaker 1: And you know, they did a survey where they ranked 81 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 1: things they found morally abhorrent, and um, adultery ranked more 82 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: morally disturbing than polygamy and human cloning. Oh, so, clearly 83 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: this is something. Adultery is something that almost everyone in 84 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:44,040 Speaker 1: the US has a problem with, and yet, um, it happens. 85 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 1: I mean, look at tire, what's it obviously happens, It 86 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,680 Speaker 1: does happen, and the statistics that you point out shows 87 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: that it happens a lot. Yeah, this was probably the 88 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: most depressing article I've ever written for how Stuffworks dot com, 89 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 1: and I've written about things like death and disease. But basically, um, 90 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 1: it's hard to get good statistics on this because obviously 91 00:05:05,400 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: it's not something you really want to admit just till 92 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: a stranger, well is that I've committed adultery. And um, 93 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 1: it's also hard to tell what is adultery. I'm sure 94 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: everyone goes back to the Bill Clinton moment where he 95 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:20,400 Speaker 1: goes it depends how you define sexual relations, and uh, 96 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: that's a problem today. Like if you're having sort of 97 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 1: an emotional affair online and considered cheating, Um, if you 98 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:30,719 Speaker 1: just kiss someone's that infidelity is a sex which is worse. Yeah, 99 00:05:30,760 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: So it's it's very hard to get people to admit 100 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: what they actually did. But if if we're talking about 101 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 1: just sex, then UM, the American Association from Marriage and 102 00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: Family Therapy thinks that percent of wives and percent of 103 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: husbands have had sex with someone who is not their spouse. 104 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: And actually, if you look at those numbers of people 105 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: who think it's always wrong, seventy percent of men think 106 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: it's always wrong and eight percent of women, and then 107 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: there's that other twenty five percent roughly adds up to 108 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 1: about a hundred interesting point, Molly, So we've got all 109 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: these people um running around on their significant others spouses 110 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,479 Speaker 1: specifically because I guess this article really has to do 111 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,720 Speaker 1: with marital infidelity. Well, that's mainly what people have studied. Again, 112 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:14,280 Speaker 1: it's just really hard to study. Sometimes they'll do studies 113 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: where they get a bunch of college students together and 114 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:18,279 Speaker 1: they'll say, you know, which will be worse if this happened, 115 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:20,919 Speaker 1: this happened. But by and large, right now they've studied 116 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 1: heterosexual relationships between married people. And when we look into 117 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 1: the reasons of why men and women cheat it, it 118 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: usually goes back to UM this sort of kind of 119 00:06:32,480 --> 00:06:38,520 Speaker 1: evolutionarily biology idea that women are you know, seeking out, 120 00:06:38,600 --> 00:06:41,440 Speaker 1: you know, kind of a quality soulmate who will provide 121 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 1: resources for her offspring, whereas men just want to spread 122 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: their seed as far and wide as humanly possible. But 123 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,920 Speaker 1: the interesting thing is you found that, um, according to 124 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,360 Speaker 1: this research or Gary Newman, of cheating, men say that 125 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: it's not just about the sex, it's about feeling I 126 00:06:57,920 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: guess underappreciated by their spouse is. And in addition to that, 127 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: eight percent of men claimed that the person they're cheating 128 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: on was not as attractive as their wife. Now here's 129 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: the thing. When I saw these statistics, I tried to 130 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: bear in mind that the person they're telling this too 131 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,840 Speaker 1: is a marriage counselor that's Gary Newman's primary role. So like, 132 00:07:16,920 --> 00:07:19,000 Speaker 1: let's say you're a marriage counseling and you're a husband 133 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: and a wife. It probably, um, if you're trying to 134 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: keep your marriage together, probably serves your case a little 135 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: bit better to say I was underappreciated and she wasn't 136 00:07:26,880 --> 00:07:30,400 Speaker 1: as good looking as you. So I don't know if 137 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:34,720 Speaker 1: it's just a rise in sensitive males and we just 138 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: had that alpha male thing kind of wrong all along, 139 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: or if these are people who are legitimately trying to 140 00:07:39,480 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 1: keep their marriage together, or if that's really why they cheat, 141 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,119 Speaker 1: if they really do feel underappreciated. And um, I think that, 142 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: you know, it's probably untrue that women, you know, must 143 00:07:50,680 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: be in love to have sex. I think a woman 144 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: can just as easily go out and have it be 145 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:57,800 Speaker 1: just about the sex and not because she feels un fulfilled. 146 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: But that's that's not as well studied. Yeah, well, let's 147 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:03,280 Speaker 1: also let's also not get to ahead of ourselves. You know, 148 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: if he's feeling supposedly underappreciated, then you would assume that maybe, um, 149 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:10,920 Speaker 1: their marriage is just kind of on rocky ground at 150 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:13,200 Speaker 1: that point, you know, if someone's looking for an out, 151 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: bliss is gone. That's what Dr Laura said. That's what 152 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 1: Dr Laura said. Uh, maybe we shouldn't always listen to 153 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:23,920 Speaker 1: Dr Laura's side note, Um, but she said, I mean, 154 00:08:23,960 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 1: if you don't make your man feel like a superhero 155 00:08:26,840 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: stud if you're not propriding for him emotionally, then can 156 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: you blame him if he goes to a high class booker. 157 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,800 Speaker 1: She said this in relationship to Eliot Spitzer case, so, um, 158 00:08:36,880 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: you know, take it with a grain of salt. Now. 159 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: She later brapped off and said if the man is narcissistic, um, 160 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: then all bets are off. A good side note, Darctor Laura. 161 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: Thanks Dr Laura. Well, the interesting thing is, though, the 162 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: how you define your marriage, your marital happiness, whether or 163 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:58,280 Speaker 1: not you're pretty happy, very happy, whatever, uh, isn't necessarily 164 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 1: going to safeguard your I guess fidelity. Yeah, if you're 165 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: that wife that Dr Laura wants, who has been making 166 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 1: the man feel like everything is great, and both of 167 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 1: you think your marriage is pretty happy, um, According to 168 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: a study in the Journal of Marriage and Family, still 169 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: not going to help. Yeah. Um. This compared couples who 170 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 1: define their marriage as either very happy, pretty happy, or 171 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,319 Speaker 1: not too happy. And obviously, the people who said that 172 00:09:24,360 --> 00:09:27,040 Speaker 1: their marriages were not too happy were the most likely 173 00:09:27,120 --> 00:09:31,840 Speaker 1: to cheat on their spouses. But surprisingly, molly couples who 174 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: said that they were pretty happy were still twice as 175 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: likely to cheat as the couples who said that they 176 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: were very happy. And like all the research that we 177 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: have done, um, you know on relationships, at some point 178 00:09:41,920 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: the honeymoon phase does end. Yeah. This led some researchers 179 00:09:45,080 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: to wonder if we just have two high expectations of marriage. 180 00:09:48,480 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: I mean, how happy is happy enough? It's not always 181 00:09:51,040 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: gonna be um chocolate and flowers or whatever you're I 182 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,120 Speaker 1: don't know, bar is for very happy. You know, there 183 00:09:57,120 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: will be times when you have kids, when things get rough, 184 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: and they wonder if these couples, because they've been trained 185 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: by pop culture to think, you know, that affairs are 186 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 1: okay and that constant romance is a norm, that these 187 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: people are throwing away what would have been, you know, 188 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: just a fairly happy marriage. Well, and to complicate matters 189 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: even more though, Molly, it's not really marital discord um. 190 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: That's going to lead to your cheating heart too. According 191 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,680 Speaker 1: to yet another study, two thousand and eight study that 192 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: found that half of women reported marital problems before an affair, 193 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,680 Speaker 1: which means the other half, you know, no big deal, 194 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: whereas only a quarter of the men reported marital problems. 195 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: So that's three quarters of the guys. You know, I 196 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 1: think that everything's great. They're not too bad, or they're 197 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: not paying attention on their eye. Yeah, maybe they don't 198 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: realize they have a problem in their marriage, and they 199 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: really do because apparently you know more and the men 200 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 1: are are thinking, yeah, this relationships over and uh time 201 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 1: to time to find someone new. Yeah, because um, according 202 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: to UH this is another study in the Journal of 203 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: Sex Roles, men usually cite they quote saw an opportunity 204 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: and took it as their reason for cheating, and women 205 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 1: are more likely to say, oh, this relationship is already ending, 206 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm bored with this person. And they're more likely too, 207 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: if they do take a new lover to continue relationship 208 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,000 Speaker 1: with him after they in the previous relationship. So do 209 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 1: you think, then, based on this pile of studies, that 210 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: that we are discussing that this is confirming the stereotype 211 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: of men cheating for sex and women cheating for love 212 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: so far, but it does look like that. But things 213 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 1: are starting to change a little bit with all this research, 214 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: because the rates of women committing adultery are starting to 215 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: climb sort of correlated to the rise of women in 216 00:11:44,600 --> 00:11:47,720 Speaker 1: the workforce. And I think that, you know, because women 217 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:49,839 Speaker 1: might have more jobs where they travel, I do think 218 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 1: that there are more women having affairs just to have 219 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:56,000 Speaker 1: the sex than maybe these numbers are these studies we've 220 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:58,880 Speaker 1: discussed so far would indicate Yeah, And women are also 221 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 1: kind of increasing in status professionally and that is therefore 222 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: making them, you know, more attractive and more luring perhaps 223 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,559 Speaker 1: to other potential partners, right, because some people think that, 224 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, we mentioned Dr Laura's exception for narcissistic partners, 225 00:12:14,720 --> 00:12:17,120 Speaker 1: and one theory that's been brought up is that if 226 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:19,679 Speaker 1: someone is a politician, they have to have some level 227 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:23,200 Speaker 1: of narcissism to constantly promote themselves and think that they're 228 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,800 Speaker 1: good enough to be voted by America to perform a task. 229 00:12:27,240 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 1: So they're saying that some careers, like politicians or like 230 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: let's say an airline pilot, has to have a certain 231 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: amount of confidence in himself. They're saying that some jobs 232 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: will always kind of be um magnets for adultery, and 233 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: as more women maybe get into these careers. Um, the 234 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:46,600 Speaker 1: apparently the infidelar magnet careers are athlete, pilot, lawyer, doctor, 235 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 1: and anything that brings fame. What about internet podcast and writer? 236 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 1: I couldn't find your research on that, Kristen. But um, 237 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:55,920 Speaker 1: here's one study that does affect both of us because 238 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:58,760 Speaker 1: we are currently single. And I found one study that 239 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: found that single women, all the single ladies. Um, sorry, 240 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: I got distracted by Beyonce there in my head. Um, 241 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:09,960 Speaker 1: single women are likely to give married men that opportunity 242 00:13:10,080 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: to cheat that is so important to them because one 243 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 1: study that was reported in the New York Times found 244 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 1: that women single women are more likely to mate poach 245 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,480 Speaker 1: to see a married man and think, hey, give me 246 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: a piece of that. Wow, mate, coach, I've just stuck 247 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,680 Speaker 1: on that right now. Yeah. They did this study where 248 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 1: they showed single women a picture of a man um 249 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:32,679 Speaker 1: and the two groups there were two groups. One was 250 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: set one was told this man is single, ready to mingle, 251 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: and one group was told this man is in a 252 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,719 Speaker 1: committed relationship and was a picture of the same man 253 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,240 Speaker 1: in both cases. Um. So, when the single woman were 254 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: told that he was single, of them were like, let's go. 255 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 1: And in the group where they were told that he 256 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,280 Speaker 1: was committed, of the single woman were like, let's go. 257 00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:57,680 Speaker 1: I won't tell if you won't deal. So, um, there's 258 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,520 Speaker 1: some sort of evolutionary thing they think, where you know, 259 00:14:00,559 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: the man has proved to society that he's worth marrying, 260 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,960 Speaker 1: and thus he is a better partner than someone who's 261 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:08,400 Speaker 1: still a lonely fish in the sea. We are telling 262 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: up all these points in favor of evolutionary biology, and 263 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: I gotta say I'm not entirely comfortable with it, Molly, 264 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: I don't like everything just being boiled down to women, babies, 265 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: and resources. You're not the only one. Let's just let's 266 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: go evolution head on, because that is sort of the 267 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:27,720 Speaker 1: next phase in terms of how they have studied cheating. Yeah, 268 00:14:27,800 --> 00:14:31,800 Speaker 1: some researchers have taken issue with the way that a 269 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: lot of these cheating studies have been set up if 270 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:39,440 Speaker 1: they think skew the results in favor of the sort 271 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: of knee jerk evolutionary biology results right, and it comes 272 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: down to something called forced choice. A lot of these 273 00:14:45,760 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: studies will will pose a question to men and women say, um, 274 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: which is worse to you? Sexual infidelity or emotional infidelity? 275 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: And um. Usually there's a big gender difference in this 276 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:59,240 Speaker 1: that men will say it's sexual infidelity bothers me more 277 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,120 Speaker 1: and when, and will say the emotional infidelity brothershy moore. 278 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: And this makes perfect sense to evolutionary psychologists because they're like, 279 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: the man doesn't want to be stuck raising a kid 280 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:09,840 Speaker 1: who's not his, and the woman doesn't want to have 281 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: her resources threatened by another woman that the man feels 282 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: strongly about. But um, like you said, these critics are questioning, 283 00:15:16,640 --> 00:15:19,920 Speaker 1: asking a question, and a forced choice method because it 284 00:15:20,040 --> 00:15:24,359 Speaker 1: might allow people to think and make rational, complex decisions 285 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: rather than having, like you said, a knee jerk reaction 286 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:30,240 Speaker 1: to infidelity. Yeah, I think one of the researchers compare. 287 00:15:30,280 --> 00:15:34,120 Speaker 1: He calls it the Sophie's choice method. So in order 288 00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: to test this hypothesis, instead of just having them, you know, 289 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 1: just choose between oh, emotional or social cheating while they 290 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 1: were having to answer the question, they also had these 291 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: participants have to remember and recall a series of numbers. 292 00:15:49,800 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: So they were thinking that this would kind of jumble 293 00:15:51,840 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: their thinking process so they wouldn't be able to really 294 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: really go through the gun rationalized as the word. They found. 295 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: The gap closed, the gender gap closed. Both sexes said 296 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 1: that they were more disturbed by sexual infidelity. So basically, 297 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: if you want to um, not have your lady think 298 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,720 Speaker 1: too hard, according to the study, just have her remember 299 00:16:12,800 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: numbers and then she'll only be upset about the sex 300 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: and not the emotional betrayal, like, hey, I cheated on you, 301 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: what do you provide? You know? But I mean, these 302 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: these people are trying to say that evolution probably can't 303 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 1: account for all of it, that a knee jerk reaction. 304 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: Everyone's upset if any sort of physical infidelity takes place. Yeah, 305 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,560 Speaker 1: and then they've also noted that there are like cultural 306 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: differences as well among um, you know, like American, European 307 00:16:39,880 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 1: and Chinese men, like they will find like different forms 308 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: of cheating, um, more upsetting. Right, Apparently Chinese men are 309 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:52,520 Speaker 1: more upset by the emotional betrayal has posed the sexual one. Um. 310 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: But Molly, one thing though that we we haven't come 311 00:16:55,080 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: around to. This was the most compelling finding from this 312 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:01,840 Speaker 1: article that you wrote to me, little something called sperm wars. 313 00:17:07,600 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: Let's talk about sperm wars because we really haven't talked 314 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,960 Speaker 1: that much about you know, like women, the physical act 315 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 1: of women cheating. Right, And you know, like you said, 316 00:17:17,240 --> 00:17:20,320 Speaker 1: you're you're not fully on board with the evolutionary viewpoint. 317 00:17:20,320 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: But if you do take an evolutionary viewpoint, and let's 318 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 1: say that the old stereotype about wanting an emotional connection, 319 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: if that's the reason for cheating holds up, then why 320 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: would women cheat if they do have all of that 321 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:36,760 Speaker 1: that they need? Oh, our favorite answer for everything here 322 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 1: on mom and stuff, Molly hor hormones and babies. Because 323 00:17:40,680 --> 00:17:44,920 Speaker 1: there was a study in appropriately enough hormones and behavior 324 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,120 Speaker 1: that shows that women tend to cheat at the most 325 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: fertile part of their menstrual cycle, even if they're not 326 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: trying to get pregnant. And the men they cheat with 327 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: our men who are more attractive than their spouse, even 328 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 1: if the spouse represents everything you would really want in 329 00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:03,399 Speaker 1: a father in terms of being emotionally stable, financially stable, 330 00:18:03,400 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 1: and so forth, if you find a man that you 331 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:09,920 Speaker 1: deem more attractive, these researchers are saying that some evolutionary 332 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:12,840 Speaker 1: urge will kick in and tell you that good genes 333 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: come from handsome men, and you therefore wage a sperm 334 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: war and you cheat. So you cheat to get these 335 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: good looking genes. And if you're in your most fertile 336 00:18:23,160 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: part of your cycle, then let's say you know and 337 00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: you have sex with several men best sperm wins. So, 338 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,160 Speaker 1: according to these researchers, women are waging these so called 339 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,359 Speaker 1: sperm wars in order to get the most genetic bang 340 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: for her buck because she has to carry around a 341 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:40,480 Speaker 1: baby for nine months, right, She's always gonna be looking 342 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: for the best deal. Now, men, men are not going 343 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: to want to evolutionary speaking, want to racial darn their 344 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: art room because they've got resources to give, and they've 345 00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,479 Speaker 1: only got so much to give, so they want to 346 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:56,920 Speaker 1: boil the sperm wars and researchers at Florida Atlantic University 347 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,920 Speaker 1: have been studying how a man in a relationship can 348 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: boil foil his partner sperm wars. Yeah, and I think 349 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:08,120 Speaker 1: that um there is it does have a woman who 350 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: has been separated from a man who has possibly had 351 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: sex with someone else, This does have some kind of 352 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: effect on her on her partner because they have noticed 353 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:19,200 Speaker 1: that if a couple has been separated for a long time, 354 00:19:19,240 --> 00:19:22,200 Speaker 1: regardless of whether or not he knows if she has 355 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,160 Speaker 1: um had sex with someone else, the next if she's 356 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 1: had the opportunity, and she's had the opportunity, the next 357 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: time that couple has intercourse, the man will produce more sperm, 358 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: which therefore gives him better odds of impregnating his partner. Right, 359 00:19:38,520 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: And it's possible that the actual act of sex itself, 360 00:19:41,720 --> 00:19:43,639 Speaker 1: once a couple has been separated, or if there have 361 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: been allegations of infidelity, can foil sperm wars. Because there's 362 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,160 Speaker 1: thinking that some sex positions allow the man to pull 363 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: sperm from the woman's vagina. Yeah, so they think that 364 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,479 Speaker 1: subconsciously women are waging sperm wars and men are fighting 365 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: back by producing more sperm and using certain positions. Okay, 366 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: that's why some people don't like evolutionary psychology. Yeah, but 367 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: that's research. That's why you're expressing discomfortable. I'd like to 368 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: read that grant proposal for sperm wors Um, I'd not 369 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,600 Speaker 1: like to read that screenplay. Um. But if you want 370 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: to know more about any of these studies, just head 371 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: on over to house Stuff Works. Um. I wrote an 372 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,200 Speaker 1: article called do Men and Women Cheat For Different Reasons? 373 00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:25,959 Speaker 1: And all of the studies are cited there, So if 374 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: you want to read more about any of those, that 375 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:29,320 Speaker 1: would be the place to do it. Yes, but I 376 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: have to say it was probably the most depressing article 377 00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,960 Speaker 1: I've ever written, Like I said, and I'm glad it's 378 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 1: done well. Yeah, I mean, it's a it's a problematic 379 00:20:36,119 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 1: question because there are there has to be more to 380 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: cheating sometimes than just you know, men being sexual opportunists 381 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 1: and women looking for soulmates. It's kind of sad that 382 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: a lot of the research sort of boils it down 383 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,199 Speaker 1: to that. But but that's why we have listeners to 384 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: write in and share their own experiences. Yes, please share 385 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: your thoughts because, like you, Molly, I am a little 386 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: a little troubled by some of all these studies. So, 387 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 1: speaking of wit, let's turn to our wonderful listeners for 388 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:09,080 Speaker 1: a little bit of email, some levity in the midst 389 00:21:09,119 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: of all this dark sadness. Yeah, let's go from adultery 390 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:16,200 Speaker 1: to Disney princesses. What if there have been a Disney 391 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:19,399 Speaker 1: princess that it committed adultery, that would have grown a 392 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 1: mention to things? So you want to start? Sure, I've 393 00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:25,240 Speaker 1: got an email here from Kate and she says that 394 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 1: Cinderella is her least favorite of all princess movies. Prince 395 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:30,680 Speaker 1: Charming has four lines in the entire movie, and he 396 00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 1: has no distinct facial features, and always seems to me 397 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,400 Speaker 1: that it was the worst example of the prince. Even 398 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 1: as a child, I was confused as to why any 399 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,920 Speaker 1: princess with great wardrobe and a magic couch would waste 400 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: her time when a man with no voice, no personality, 401 00:21:42,280 --> 00:21:44,720 Speaker 1: and who takes no initiative in finding her. I've always 402 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: felt its simply by choosing such a bland and boring 403 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 1: individual Cinderella immediately dropped at the bottom of all princesses. 404 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:54,080 Speaker 1: She instead prefers movies that combine strong women, a man 405 00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:57,040 Speaker 1: with a strong personality, and villains capable of being dangerous, 406 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: which is why Sleeping Beauty is the greatest of all 407 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 1: Disney movies. Aurora is great, Philip has pizzazz, and Maleficent 408 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,879 Speaker 1: is scary as heck. It also has a fight with 409 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,280 Speaker 1: an enormous fire breathing dragon, not to mention amazing art. 410 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,120 Speaker 1: Truly the greatest of all things, So thank you, Kate. Now, 411 00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 1: Abby has a little bit of a different take on 412 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,439 Speaker 1: Prince Philip from Sleeping Beauty. She writes, I received a 413 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: copy of Sleeping Beauty from my sixteenth birthday and was 414 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: surprised to watch it as me to my life and 415 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 1: realize then how small a role in the film the 416 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,159 Speaker 1: Prince actually has. This is something that is stuck with me, 417 00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: and whenever my friends are not gown the sept Jissy movies, 418 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: I tend to comment on how Prince Philip is really 419 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: quite useless. He's just there to kiss the princess to 420 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,520 Speaker 1: wake her up and actually does very little else, even 421 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,440 Speaker 1: during the in battle against Maleificent. Is actually the fairy 422 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: godmothers who do most of the work and chain the 423 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,160 Speaker 1: Batty's weapons are charming the sword so it finds her heart. 424 00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: So the two moral eyeverciety is the people you should 425 00:22:46,720 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: count on the most are the ones who have raised 426 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: you and taking care of you. From sewer Baby taken 427 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,000 Speaker 1: from this angle, Sleeping Beauty is a very positive story. Sure, 428 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: it's nice to have a man your life well case 429 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:57,520 Speaker 1: you so you wake up. It's also important to have 430 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: strong woman who will always have your back. All that's 431 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: from having Yeah. So, guys, if you have any thoughts 432 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: about cheating, hearts or whatever else is on your mind, 433 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: you should send me a molly and email at mom 434 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: stuff and how stuff works dot com. And it's always 435 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 1: during the week. You should check out our blog how 436 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: to stuff and look out for those dull and draper references. 437 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,760 Speaker 1: Give yourself, give yourself points when you find them. Do 438 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,959 Speaker 1: and uh if you again want to read Molly's excellent 439 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: article do Men and Women Cheat for Different Reasons, where 440 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,919 Speaker 1: you can find all of the study references that we 441 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,919 Speaker 1: have mentioned, because there were a lot of them, you 442 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:38,159 Speaker 1: should head on over to how stuff works dot com 443 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: for more on this and thousands of other topics because 444 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 1: that how stuff works dot Com. Want more how stuff works, 445 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,320 Speaker 1: check out our blogs on the house. Stuff works dot 446 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 1: Com home page brought to you by the reinvented two 447 00:23:54,400 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: thousand twelve camera. It's ready, are you