Speaker 1: On today's episode, we are diving into the first episode
Speaker 1: ever of the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City. That's right,
Speaker 1: it's season one, episode one, Welcome to Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: We meet the Salt Lake City Housewives for the first
Speaker 1: time ever, and yes, even Jen Shaw you know her
Speaker 1: from the Masked Singer and now she has her own
Speaker 1: formless beauty line. The one and only Jenny McCarthy joins
Speaker 1: the hot seat. Her unfiltered take on everything makes this
Speaker 1: one hilarious episode. This is the Real Housewives of Salt
Speaker 1: Lake City, Season one, Episode one, Welcome to Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: Let's go. So I never saw Salt Lake and because
Speaker 1: there are so many and I don't watch the Housewives regularly,
Speaker 1: you know, I just don't. I never even watched when
Speaker 1: I was on, except for episode each week to know
Speaker 1: if I was getting in trouble, like I'm watching the
Speaker 1: Wire now. I watched This Is Us with Britt you know,
Speaker 1: I just I don't watch reality TV all that much.
Speaker 1: So I am finding this fascinating going back and watching
Speaker 1: from seasons long ago and then just knowing that there's
Speaker 1: this whole other city that's being showcased, and like that
Speaker 1: these people have come to life for me. So I
Speaker 1: thought that the first thing that I thought, I always
Speaker 1: think back to the beginning of Housewives, and that was
Speaker 1: this is season one, episode one we're watching of Salt Lake,
Speaker 1: and I think back to me being in like a
Speaker 1: sweater like this without the bling in really no makeup,
Speaker 1: just living my true life. And so this is a
Speaker 1: bunch of clowns in many ways, Like I don't like
Speaker 1: it really is you go back and because they've been
Speaker 1: watching for years, all these cities, so they're wearing co costumes.
Speaker 1: So it's annoying because I like when before it changed,
Speaker 1: and it changed during the care earl Kristen heather Era.
Speaker 1: I came back and I was like, what the fun
Speaker 1: we have glam and the Berkshire is like it annoyed me.
Speaker 1: It will never go back to the original ever, right,
Speaker 1: Like you know, I saw a picture yesterday somebody texting
Speaker 1: me a picture of Lisa Rinne in like a David
Speaker 1: Byrne shoulder fashion outfit. I guess she was in London
Speaker 1: or Briton, Milan or somewhere doing fashion stuff. And they
Speaker 1: said to me, what's her five year plan? Exactly like
Speaker 1: and I said, I don't know, I don't even know
Speaker 1: what she's wearing because I remember Lisa, and I like Lisa.
Speaker 1: She was wearing like sheath dresses from the Today's Show
Speaker 1: for the first couple of seasons of Housewives, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, now she's in a David Byrne costume.
Speaker 1: So everybody's gone crazy with the fashion. Well, this show
Speaker 1: in particular, it's an interesting how they combine religion with
Speaker 1: a character. Well, by the way, I'm not religious, and
Speaker 1: I don't act like like it's literally like everything that
Speaker 1: you wouldn't think that religious would mean. Is he so
Speaker 1: jen Shaw? And I'm not saying this because we know
Speaker 1: that she ends up going to jail. I texted Andy Kohen,
Speaker 1: I said, this woman is insufferable, like was she always
Speaker 1: is in something Episode one, she came in insufferable. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna say it's good casting because you need someone. I
Speaker 1: don't know how they predict who's going to go to prison,
Speaker 1: but they're seemed to be pretty good at it right. Well,
Speaker 1: that that's fair. Also, I've been to Sundance many times.
Speaker 1: I've never seen anyone dressed like half these women. Never
Speaker 1: one time in Utah have I seen any So this
Speaker 1: is like the costume party for the show that we've
Speaker 1: just been cast on, and we got Gucci from our
Speaker 1: hair follicles to our toenail cuticles. Like it's it's really
Speaker 1: it's really overboard in a way. You kind of you
Speaker 1: want it to happen because you need to love to
Speaker 1: hate it, you know what I mean? Love like Show Girls,
Speaker 1: You like, I love to hate to watch that. You
Speaker 1: know you hate watch it, right, and they make it
Speaker 1: so you want it with the ownership. But by the way,
Speaker 1: shouldn't it be called like the Real house Lives of
Speaker 1: Park City because it feels like, aren't they mostly at
Speaker 1: Park I'm like, oh, maybe, because the model is to
Speaker 1: always say the big city, like it's New York City.
Speaker 1: It's like, even though I mean it's Atlanta, because those
Speaker 1: are all suburbs of Atlanta where they all that's true,
Speaker 1: Like the Beverly Hills ladies they're in you know someone
Speaker 1: Sherman Oaks exactly. And don't worry that nobody's married on
Speaker 1: the Housewives either. So let's not let the truth get
Speaker 1: in the way of a good story. Jenny McCarthy, Let's
Speaker 1: not do that with reality television as it is in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, So I also really like, I want
Speaker 1: to be authentic about reviewing it, not just being because
Speaker 1: we know the headline, but I really do whether I
Speaker 1: would have said it out loud or not. My first
Speaker 1: thought when I saw jen Shaw on the screen and
Speaker 1: what she was wearing going to the beauty play was
Speaker 1: she's dressed like an asshole. That's the first thought that
Speaker 1: I had, is that person is dressed like an asshole.
Speaker 1: That is literally the first thought that I had in
Speaker 1: every scene and just looking at when she's wearing pretty sure,
Speaker 1: you're right, I mean I thought that along with when
Speaker 1: I saw her about to go skiing, and I was like,
Speaker 1: that is an outfit that screams I don't know how
Speaker 1: to ski, and then boom, we see her on the
Speaker 1: bunny hill. You know, right, And didn't you immediately when
Speaker 1: someone shows so much? Didn't you immediately then say like
Speaker 1: is any is everything real? True? Of course? Now, mind you,
Speaker 1: I let this episode one slip into episode two, so
Speaker 1: if I wind up dipping into two, that's why. But
Speaker 1: you know, the thing that I get kind of annoyed with,
Speaker 1: and I think most people were annoyed with with sol City,
Speaker 1: which is you don't feel like they're real friendships. And
Speaker 1: you know, back in your day, you know, you felt
Speaker 1: like there was okay, these women I could see kind
Speaker 1: of hanging around you were a little bit of the underdog.
Speaker 1: Everyone was rooting, you know, for you. And but there's
Speaker 1: this I'm like, I'm not buying that for one second
Speaker 1: they were friends, would be friends except for those two
Speaker 1: brunettes that you know talk like this s which I
Speaker 1: don't know why I talk like this's Meredith. Then is it? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: it all. There's a gloss and a sheen and a
Speaker 1: patina to it all that doesn't seem real. And I
Speaker 1: think we should, as a topic in a minute, get
Speaker 1: into like what it is with people really wanting to
Speaker 1: paint themselves into the perfect corner to just show how
Speaker 1: rich they are, Like why does everybody want everybody to
Speaker 1: think they're so rich and to show everything they have?
Speaker 1: Like I imagine you have some really nice things. I'm
Speaker 1: sure you're you bought yourself nice things, your husbands bought
Speaker 1: nice things like And I don't know why people feel
Speaker 1: the need to like show it all. It just feels
Speaker 1: And I don't because Bethany, I don't think it's necessarily
Speaker 1: about the nice things. And this thing, this is about
Speaker 1: how do I stay on this show? And this show
Speaker 1: represents wealth, and so I better show it, push it,
Speaker 1: so I show that I belong with the Joneses. That's
Speaker 1: that's great. That's I love when someone yes, because when
Speaker 1: I came on, I would never have been cast. Now
Speaker 1: in my studio, I keya apartment that I remember doing
Speaker 1: it over for ten thousand dollars. That was a renovation
Speaker 1: for me because I did ever knew that you could
Speaker 1: change a sinc h or c knob, Like you just
Speaker 1: took what you took when you moved into an apartment.
Speaker 1: That apartment was where I lived on the real housewise,
Speaker 1: the apartment that you just moved in, took the parquet floors,
Speaker 1: the shitty you know, eight it dollar microwave, and that
Speaker 1: was it. So you're right, So now you've seen it
Speaker 1: all before. And but back in the day, Teresa, before
Speaker 1: it was what it is now was on paying for
Speaker 1: cash and I mean furniture and cash and then going
Speaker 1: to jail. That's rights point about that too. Well think
Speaker 1: about it like it's like it's becomes so obnoxious to
Speaker 1: to show it off from the viewers point of view.
Speaker 1: But from the shows. I mean, you were on it,
Speaker 1: but I look at Beverly Hills and Erica. When she
Speaker 1: first came on, it was like, look at my you know,
Speaker 1: would have her ring and Dad da dad. It was
Speaker 1: so much, but it was more of like I belong here,
Speaker 1: I'm the richest. Look at some people are making fun
Speaker 1: that you're not that rich. So I feel like it's
Speaker 1: a character in the show. And if they don't possess
Speaker 1: that quality, they're looked down upon. Right. And then also
Speaker 1: people never realize that if you live in Atlanta, you know,
Speaker 1: thirty minutes from Atlanta, you could have an eighteen thousand
Speaker 1: square foot house for one point something million dollars. We
Speaker 1: were living in New York City in four thousand square
Speaker 1: foot places that are worth you know, seven million dollars. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the audience in many any cases, in some of
Speaker 1: these cities, they really have to show all the logos
Speaker 1: and the bags because that is a character. And in
Speaker 1: New York it was more of a stretch to have
Speaker 1: to have content not be about the b roll because
Speaker 1: we had nothing to show. I mean, Luan's apartment was
Speaker 1: like a one bedroom, shitty apartment, you know. But I
Speaker 1: think too it was about the relationships. It was about
Speaker 1: the hustle. It's about the relationships, and that's what made
Speaker 1: it so good. Now it's like now it's literally like
Speaker 1: the characters are a cast system. They treat each other
Speaker 1: like a cast system. Oh you're only in a two
Speaker 1: thousand square foot house. Huh, Well I've got the private jet, Darling.
Speaker 1: I could take you on my jet. You know. It's like,
Speaker 1: you're right, that's part of the Yeah, the money is
Speaker 1: the rub and the finding out if someone really does
Speaker 1: or doesn't have it is a witch hunt. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about what would make someone who has any skeletons go
Speaker 1: on a reality reality telling you So, let's let's talk
Speaker 1: about how many people have gone to jail or like
Speaker 1: the Salahi He's break into the White House, Teresa goes
Speaker 1: to jail, Joe goes to jail. That I've got something
Speaker 1: to hide this one, Jen, I mean, how I know?
Speaker 1: Literally it was. It made me think about how many
Speaker 1: housewives have gone to jail or husband's or you know,
Speaker 1: there's rehabs, you name it. But I think it's a
Speaker 1: desperate Yeah, exactly, it's a desperation. I think for fame.
Speaker 1: I think we've made we're in a society right now
Speaker 1: where we've treated fame to be the ultimate goal, and
Speaker 1: then as you see, when you get there, it's not.
Speaker 1: It's all cracked up to be. It's difficult, and if
Speaker 1: you don't have the right foundation going into this, you're screwed.
Speaker 1: You're fucked because saying you're saying that the fame is
Speaker 1: the meat, I mean you're saying that you need the meat.
Speaker 1: The fame is a side dish. Like I always say,
Speaker 1: you can make a lifestyle out of a life, you
Speaker 1: can't make a life out of a lifestyle. So The
Speaker 1: Housewives intrinsically is throwing lifestyle on camera and onto the screens,
Speaker 1: and then a lot of people can't back it up. Well,
Speaker 1: this is the thing, Bethany. You wouldn't sign up for
Speaker 1: a show that looked like Salt Lake City Today knowing.
Speaker 1: But I didn't know what I was even signing up for.
Speaker 1: I mean, I had eight thousand dollars to my bank account. Correct,
Speaker 1: that was a different show. I feel like it's totally
Speaker 1: two different planets back then when you're on totally now
Speaker 1: it's it's it's grab it, it's it's attracting certain personalities
Speaker 1: people that need superficial rewards. So it's like I need
Speaker 1: the fame, I need to look good in my Uh,
Speaker 1: it's the only way I'm going to get there. It's
Speaker 1: the only way I'm going to climb up the ladder.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's not looking. It's there's no spirituality and
Speaker 1: there's no substance. Correct. Also, here's what I also think,
Speaker 1: and we haven't even gotten into the show, which is
Speaker 1: amazing because it's the first time I've ever really done this,
Speaker 1: which I like. It's also I've said before and honestly respectfully,
Speaker 1: because it's not about trashing. It's just a thread. Sonya
Speaker 1: Morgan was married to someone to JP Morgan's I guess grandson,
Speaker 1: let's say, or somebody over there the Morgan letters, Luan
Speaker 1: was married to account That was her identity. She was
Speaker 1: the countess. Literally, what the hell does that even mean?
Speaker 1: But there it is. Camille Grammer was married to Kelsey.
Speaker 1: Their identity was attached to somebody else. So I see
Speaker 1: in many of these cases people want their own moment
Speaker 1: to shine. And I even see it with Kathy Hilton.
Speaker 1: What the fuck does Kathy Hilton, who I've said this
Speaker 1: to her face, need with this garbage, what paris Nikki?
Speaker 1: Then Kyle, it's want I want some of the light,
Speaker 1: like whether you whether it's true, whether she would admit
Speaker 1: it or not. It's what I asked. You know what,
Speaker 1: I never thought about that. You're right, you're right. If
Speaker 1: they've been propping up their partner, possibly being the sidekick,
Speaker 1: being the trophy wife, and now they're like, this is
Speaker 1: my opportunity to be seen, to be heard, and they're
Speaker 1: using that, that's actually a really good point. That would
Speaker 1: that would attract that type of personality, you know, because
Speaker 1: you think of these people that are already rich. Wait
Speaker 1: a minute, I was on I had eight thousand miles
Speaker 1: to my name and to pay my rent. If you're
Speaker 1: rich like this, if you're like private plane rich, what
Speaker 1: the fuck are you doing? Like, what are you actually
Speaker 1: doing on this television show? Who's gonna like pull up
Speaker 1: your goddamn skirt if you don't have to exactly, it's
Speaker 1: it's power. It's a power trip or an ego. It's
Speaker 1: an ego attempt at what they're thinking building self esteem
Speaker 1: when releads their ego drive in the car, and the
Speaker 1: excuse is often I remember sitting with PK and boy
Speaker 1: George and Kyle, and Pek says Dori is going on
Speaker 1: the show because we want what you did for her
Speaker 1: to do that, meaning like we're doing it for that reason.
Speaker 1: And while I do believe that people want to use
Speaker 1: it as a way to really like cash out, it
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like that by the examples on the show.
Speaker 1: It seems sometimes like a last ditch effort. I've seen
Speaker 1: people try to save marriages through this. I've seen it
Speaker 1: destroy marriages. But like I remember Jules and Michael went
Speaker 1: on the New York House as they were already having problems.
Speaker 1: It's like something you're gonna do together that like maybe
Speaker 1: this will save us, you know, Like I've seen people
Speaker 1: spend ahead of it, so like we're gonna let's just
Speaker 1: get on, but then we have to spend to look
Speaker 1: like we belong here, but the money's gonna catch up exactly. Well,
Speaker 1: that's why I think a lot with Pete Kane, I
Speaker 1: think that group, you know, spent more. The first time
Speaker 1: we ever saw Pekane doret not to get another episode,
Speaker 1: but I was like, Byner Bentley and they're renting a house.
Speaker 1: Things didn't The math didn't up. The math didn't up.
Speaker 1: With what people were saying. Sat Jill Zarin rented a
Speaker 1: Ferrari the first episodes on Housewives because we're on here
Speaker 1: and the money will catch up, like it'll That's what
Speaker 1: I think people do. Alex and Simon, we're spending thirty
Speaker 1: thousand dollars in same parts in August, like the money.
Speaker 1: The people are thinking, we'll just do this and the
Speaker 1: money will catch up. So from the show. So, and
Speaker 1: that's how people get in debt. That's the American way.
Speaker 1: And it's seems to be a thread. Okay, it would
Speaker 1: be exhausting, but keep going, well, it would be. It
Speaker 1: would be exhausting. And being on Beverly Hills would be
Speaker 1: exhausting because the show, like every picture and there, it's
Speaker 1: so filtered and it's so like I would be. I
Speaker 1: would wither, I'd be dehydrated, I would have I'd have
Speaker 1: coal sores every week from being stressed. Well, you know,
Speaker 1: we'd be Denise when she walked out in shorts on
Speaker 1: a balcony they were on a vacation and she walked
Speaker 1: out in shorts like because they were on vacation on
Speaker 1: a balcony that people wearing like gone with the wind
Speaker 1: ball gowns on a balcony having drinks with each other
Speaker 1: because it's like it's for us. They're dressing because they're
Speaker 1: at a party with us the view, so it's shifted. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was a good like purging. So Jen speaks about
Speaker 1: herself in the third person. So it's we're going to
Speaker 1: Jen shell A and Jen's like this, but it's a
Speaker 1: gen Shop party. Um, So that's just something I want
Speaker 1: to address that she speaks about herself on the third person.
Speaker 1: And we've seen many celebrities do the same thing over
Speaker 1: the course of our careers. A lot of them do. Uh.
Speaker 1: She's got issues obviously right from the get go. Um,
Speaker 1: but I have to ask you, because you brought up
Speaker 1: the ridiculousness of her party. Why I haven't been to
Speaker 1: a themed costume party since I was eight? Like, I
Speaker 1: don't understand the Housewives. It's it's a franchise thing. But
Speaker 1: why is always a themed party and then there's only
Speaker 1: like a few of you guys there, Like I don't
Speaker 1: get it, Like what was the thing? Okay? So there
Speaker 1: always has to be an event for something, right, And
Speaker 1: so you saw the cup but they came out of
Speaker 1: the gate like renewing your vows on camera season one,
Speaker 1: like you've like this is popping your cherry. That means
Speaker 1: like you are desperate to be on television, Like you'll
Speaker 1: give them anything, You'll literally given And Bethany, are they
Speaker 1: paying for this stuff or does the show have a budget.
Speaker 1: Usually they get trade outs, so they'll go get tradeouts
Speaker 1: and you'll be able to see it Joe from Joe's
Speaker 1: Party Planning and you're like, Oh, Joe from Joe's Party Planning.
Speaker 1: You know it's been a tradeout usually, but it appens
Speaker 1: because I've had them want to do many parties and
Speaker 1: then they've wanted to take care of it. They've wanted
Speaker 1: to give me a budget because I didn't want to
Speaker 1: do it. And I had just come back after three seasons,
Speaker 1: and so I did come back in a different position.
Speaker 1: I don't know how to say that without sounding like
Speaker 1: an asshole, but I came back at a big number.
Speaker 1: I came back. I came back at different rules, and
Speaker 1: I came back with different perks to letting people into
Speaker 1: my house and things like that. That's just what I experienced.
Speaker 1: But I would think a newer desperate housewife would be
Speaker 1: throwing money at the problem just so it happens and
Speaker 1: what you should know, which is weird, and you get
Speaker 1: tired of doing this after years and you learn your
Speaker 1: lesson is that housewives are very competitive about wanting to
Speaker 1: own the trip, own the party. Like it's Jenny mccaugh
Speaker 1: Like you're Jenny. You're like, no, I want it to
Speaker 1: be we have the finale party and it's for this reason.
Speaker 1: I'm you know, getting triple z tits and that's the
Speaker 1: reason for the party. And I want to own the
Speaker 1: party because you want the attention. But like once you're seasoned,
Speaker 1: you realize, let them have let me show up and
Speaker 1: say a couple of funny things and get the fuck
Speaker 1: out of the party. I don't want to want the party.
Speaker 1: I don't want this in my house. I don't want
Speaker 1: the drape three, I don't want the people right. So
Speaker 1: people get focused on the wrong things, thinking it like
Speaker 1: makes them either more famous or more popular or more relevant.
Speaker 1: They want the camera on them more. You get to
Speaker 1: a point where I got like you you want to
Speaker 1: shoot less, do less? Have it be less about you
Speaker 1: get in, light the place on fire and get the
Speaker 1: fuck out. Is it the pressure to be to make
Speaker 1: sure they have a storyline, because I know that's very
Speaker 1: important or everyone to make sure that they have a storyline. Yes,
Speaker 1: and that didn't happen in the beginning. We were just living.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know the words storyline until years later.
Speaker 1: Ramona was always very savvy about words like storyline and
Speaker 1: where the cameras were. Like for me, I just thought
Speaker 1: I never really thought about where they already chime. They
Speaker 1: always find their way over and they leave. But Ramona
Speaker 1: would like go over and be talking about something and
Speaker 1: want to grab the cameras. Where are the cameras? Where
Speaker 1: the cat which is a great which is not surprising,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, so I think it's storyline. It might be
Speaker 1: some quid pro crow. You have a friend who was
Speaker 1: a restaurant. You told them you'd showcase it. They're going
Speaker 1: to give you something in return. Like everyone's work in
Speaker 1: different angles at different times for reasons. They want to
Speaker 1: show something. You want to show the tile guy because
Speaker 1: the tile guy's going to redo your bathroom at a difference.
Speaker 1: Like there's all these things that like you're not supposed
Speaker 1: to have any deals with any of them, but everybody's
Speaker 1: got fucking side reasons. So fascinates me. So basically, in
Speaker 1: the first episode of Jen wanted to throw a part
Speaker 1: because you want to show up her house, or yes,
Speaker 1: she wants to show off her house, and she just
Speaker 1: wanted to be a star. That's a rare breed. I
Speaker 1: haven't really seen that. This is a show that I
Speaker 1: didn't dip into either. I just great, it's the first
Speaker 1: time you ever saw this, the first time I ever
Speaker 1: saw it? Oh amazing. Okay, so listen. The first thing,
Speaker 1: I think, We're at the first scene and the sun
Speaker 1: is there, and I'm thinking, so Jen's in head to
Speaker 1: toe Gucci, and I'm thinking, this woman is rolling like this.
Speaker 1: Who's paying for it? This coach on whatever coach's salary,
Speaker 1: in whatever this house is, whether it's made of a
Speaker 1: cardboard and painted and white, I don't know, but it
Speaker 1: seems like a big house with a nice kitchen. Who
Speaker 1: the fuck is paying for this on a coach of salary?
Speaker 1: That's the first thing I thought, Because this isn't the
Speaker 1: TV show All American where Tay Diggs is in a
Speaker 1: gorgeous house and his wife is paying for it. Who's
Speaker 1: paying for this with this coach exactly? Well, I say
Speaker 1: that to almost all of them, like how do so
Speaker 1: many people have so much money. I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I've been working a while, but I don't really have
Speaker 1: this guy fucking money. It's like, you don't roll like that,
Speaker 1: don't you. You don't roll like that, right, Like, I mean,
Speaker 1: I roll fairly deep, but I don't like roll like that.
Speaker 1: And I don't know, and especially with the coaches salary
Speaker 1: like that, that math, that math isn't adding up. So
Speaker 1: she's got the Porsche and the middle aged assistant. And
Speaker 1: this is when you get a little gross when parents
Speaker 1: are talking to their tweens about making out with girls.
Speaker 1: How my daughter would never tolerate me, Like you're like,
Speaker 1: never tolerate me, saying my son would never talk to
Speaker 1: me again. He would never talk to me again. He'd
Speaker 1: be like, you humility me for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: How old is your son? Wy right? But if when
Speaker 1: he was thirteen and you said to him, have you
Speaker 1: kissed a girl? He'd be like, and now he's under
Speaker 1: pressure because he's on camera and he's not gonna start
Speaker 1: having a fight with you. He'd kill you. Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: no way we were doing our own reality show. We
Speaker 1: did Donnie Loves Jenny for three seasons and then he
Speaker 1: turned into a teenager and he said, we can't do
Speaker 1: this anymore. I'm a teenager. This is not cool. So
Speaker 1: we quit because he was the real reason. Because he
Speaker 1: was the reason. He was the one who was like
Speaker 1: you could see him like the last season he was like,
Speaker 1: I ain't having this. I'm like, we're not gonna a
Speaker 1: story of life where we're doing this for fun. Forget it.
Speaker 1: So but that's when I saw Jen say that, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh no, these kids are going to be scarred.
Speaker 1: But now we know it's not just from her mouth,
Speaker 1: it's from a lot of the actions that are okay.
Speaker 1: So I've seen all vintage housewives as you already know,
Speaker 1: like the Atlanta Is, the Jerseys, the New York, the
Speaker 1: Orange County, and then I've watched one Potomac and I
Speaker 1: got it. There's a show and it's like a different story.
Speaker 1: This is definitely the most desperate of housewives I've seen group. Yes,
Speaker 1: is this feels like blood in the water to me.
Speaker 1: This group just like it feels like desperate. So that's
Speaker 1: probably good. You know, Now we've got the girl is
Speaker 1: Heather is the one who says so she what a
Speaker 1: great way that they edit this, she said, and she
Speaker 1: seems cool the blonde. She says, Mormon life is about
Speaker 1: attaining perfection. Yes, what the hell does that? What does
Speaker 1: that mean? You know? I thought about that for a
Speaker 1: quick second and I was like, wow, but all the
Speaker 1: botox in the world is not going to get you
Speaker 1: into heaven faster. Like they're putting all their energy into
Speaker 1: perfection the wrong way. I'm thinking she's thinking being a
Speaker 1: good person, being nice when there anything. But I mean,
Speaker 1: they're really the biggest contradictions. This is the Handmaid's Tale,
Speaker 1: because perfection would mean that you're pious, you never curse,
Speaker 1: you never swear, you never drink. Okay, fine, and that
Speaker 1: also seems very high pressure. But then to take that
Speaker 1: to a superficial the outside of you is perfect, like
Speaker 1: that seems like hell in every direction. Well, I was
Speaker 1: just surprised that all of them weren't kicked out of
Speaker 1: the church. Now a few of them were excommunicated. That Whitney, Whitney,
Speaker 1: the one who got married the renewing of the vows.
Speaker 1: It's very obvious that Lisa, who I met years ago
Speaker 1: with Sundance, It's very obvious that Lisa is on this
Speaker 1: show thinking that she's up here and she's down there,
Speaker 1: just like when you do a show. I remember this
Speaker 1: because I remember Ramona being so shocked that Alex and
Speaker 1: Simon were casting, that they were from Brooklyn. Brooklyn was
Speaker 1: it was another country back then. Brooklyn now is cooler
Speaker 1: and more expensive than New York, but back then and
Speaker 1: back in my day, Brooklyn was another country. And Ramona
Speaker 1: was horrified that Alex and Simon were cast. And that's
Speaker 1: another brilliant, brilliant casting that because well, they didn't seem
Speaker 1: to fit in. But that's the point. You don't want
Speaker 1: everybody exactly the same. So it seems to be that
Speaker 1: Lisa really doesn't feel that she should be on this
Speaker 1: show because it's probably very elite and there's a certain
Speaker 1: aliber and a certain amount of fur and Gucci cheese,
Speaker 1: and she's the Queen of Sundance and she's the queen
Speaker 1: of Sundance, and that Heather is not at the level.
Speaker 1: And you know they're not seeing they're each an ingredient
Speaker 1: in a cake that they don't get to see until
Speaker 1: we see it come out of the oven. Wait, didn't
Speaker 1: they see a picture of your face? In the episode,
Speaker 1: there was a flash in the corner of the screen.
Speaker 1: You're lying, No, I swear he wait, I go, there's
Speaker 1: Bethany there like celebrities. Oh Sundance. You think it was
Speaker 1: because I met her at that event? Yes, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: we have the hand corner of the screen. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're into See how I didn't even see myself. I'm
Speaker 1: so excited. Okay, wait, look at you. You're very observant, Jenny.
Speaker 1: See what's so crazy is that we're talking about this
Speaker 1: weird show and I've met you before and I'm learning
Speaker 1: more about you through this show. Like, you're very observant.
Speaker 1: Two good points. Wow, I didn't even notice myself, so clue. Okay, So, yes,
Speaker 1: I met her there, and that's funny. I feel so
Speaker 1: famous that I was. I had I had a cameo
Speaker 1: on the Salt Lake and I'm right. I thought you
Speaker 1: had some dirt on her. I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I met her years ago. I think she The truth is,
Speaker 1: you know, I always like to say there was Sammy
Speaker 1: Hagar before me and Diddy, But before me, there really
Speaker 1: wasn't anybody like marketing and monetizing liquor. Celebrities put the
Speaker 1: liquor down. You didn't market it, you didn't take pictures.
Speaker 1: You're in this business, you're my witness. But back then
Speaker 1: I think she was promoting it tequila, but long before
Speaker 1: it was cool. I'm going to give her some props.
Speaker 1: At Chef Dance, this event that I hosted just trying
Speaker 1: to be somebody, do something, have my name on something,
Speaker 1: trying to make a dollar at a fifteen cents. This
Speaker 1: event where different celebrity chefs quote unquote celebrity chefs chefs.
Speaker 1: Each night we'd host this dinner and I got to
Speaker 1: like hobnob with celebrities, and she was there, and she
Speaker 1: was I believe she had that tequila back then, so
Speaker 1: she will correct me if I'm wrong. She was very nice,
Speaker 1: she was hustling, and I remember her fondly. I don't
Speaker 1: know much about her, but I remember liking her. And
Speaker 1: it was like she had a little bar outside, I believe,
Speaker 1: and in the main event, and like every night you'd
Speaker 1: kind of I was the host, she had a little
Speaker 1: bar outside. It was like this cast of characters in
Speaker 1: this play for ten nights of Chef Dance. So I'd
Speaker 1: see her and I had a very pleasant BTS experience
Speaker 1: with her. Just from note from very surface, but like
Speaker 1: she could have been a bitch too, she wasn't. She
Speaker 1: was nice. It's all that I knew. Can I can
Speaker 1: I ask you how much of um how much editing
Speaker 1: is there where they can actually form someone to look
Speaker 1: like a completely different personality from whom they are. Do
Speaker 1: they have that much power to make someone look like
Speaker 1: a bitch or a sweetie pie? Like? Can they can
Speaker 1: they actually do that through editing and make it fair?
Speaker 1: You know, it's a big They could. They're only using
Speaker 1: ingredients that they were given. But if someone wanted to
Speaker 1: edit me all harsh, they fully could and maybe have.
Speaker 1: But I've never blamed editing. I think of it this way.
Speaker 1: You go on a blind date. You meet somebody on
Speaker 1: tin Tinder, and you go on a blind date. It's
Speaker 1: an hour and half law they unless they have a
Speaker 1: vendetta against this specific person, It's an hour and a
Speaker 1: half long that date, that date, and you come home
Speaker 1: and you tell your girlfriend. You can crystallize it in
Speaker 1: three minutes what it was. So that's what good editors
Speaker 1: and producers are really doing. They're crystallizing it. So I
Speaker 1: met her, she was she was nice. I was also
Speaker 1: in control of the event, and I was working with
Speaker 1: the people who own the event, you know, the only event.
Speaker 1: So for argument's sake, maybe she was nice to me
Speaker 1: because of that, But I had a very positive, nice experience. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: So I had a nice experience with her. Who knows,
Speaker 1: it could have been Jen Shaw in that room and
Speaker 1: I would have had a good experience with her. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I just remember back and I was
Speaker 1: a nobody then, and I remember people who treated me
Speaker 1: like shit when I was a nobody, as you do too,
Speaker 1: And so she was. She seemed like a cool, nice person,
Speaker 1: and I just remember her hustling something like I was
Speaker 1: hustling something. So that was really my only experience. So
Speaker 1: so Meredith now is the one with the husband that
Speaker 1: commented on her boots. And this really hit me because
Speaker 1: the boots were just normal, nothing, nice, fine boots and
Speaker 1: he was wearing a do your Logo backpack in the
Speaker 1: same scene. How are you commenting on her normal ski boots?
Speaker 1: She's like, He's like, well, those aren't exactly park City
Speaker 1: and he's wearing ad your backpack. Explain this to me.
Speaker 1: I think it's a little bit of a he's wanting
Speaker 1: to poke the bear a little bit because we find
Speaker 1: out later in the episode that he's not happy with
Speaker 1: the marriage or what she's been talking about. So I
Speaker 1: think it's a little bit of like er, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of bleeds out if you're not addressing something. So
Speaker 1: I think it was a little poke. That was his
Speaker 1: best attempt at a poke, right, And what's what sense
Speaker 1: do you get of why they moved being Jewish from
Speaker 1: Chicago to Park City? Now he's got to be back
Speaker 1: in Chicago, Like it just seems like an interesting move,
Speaker 1: knowing where you're moving and what the general like, what
Speaker 1: what did was that explained? I didn't understand why I
Speaker 1: wasn't explained yet, So I don't know what's to come
Speaker 1: because we both don't know what we're about to see.
Speaker 1: That's why I was like his face humming a lot
Speaker 1: from Chicago? Now, does he have a secret family there?
Speaker 1: Like what's going on? So Lisa Barlow and her husband, Okay,
Speaker 1: they take their kid through the drive their Wendy's and
Speaker 1: she's just saying, I don't like to cook, we don't
Speaker 1: have meals together. That seemed like a I don't even
Speaker 1: understand celebrating that we never sit down at the table.
Speaker 1: I don't want to cook, we go through the drive through.
Speaker 1: Explain that to me. I almost thought it was an exaggeration.
Speaker 1: I was like, is she just trying to create a
Speaker 1: character for herself right now or is it true? Like
Speaker 1: we've all gone through drive throughs and we've all been
Speaker 1: busy once in a while. But I was like, can
Speaker 1: this actually we truly not sit together if they're not
Speaker 1: a family, and you're letting know that, I don't, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I just thought just a something off the top.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'll have to fast forward some shows to
Speaker 1: see if it's actually true or not. Also, once you've
Speaker 1: painted yourself and this is the thing about let's talk
Speaker 1: about like our own friends in Hollywood and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: once you've painted yourself into the perfect corner, and I
Speaker 1: think of that with Luanne Darling. You should never put
Speaker 1: lipstick on the table because the minute you act like
Speaker 1: you're this, you're a countess. So and we saw this
Speaker 1: with Erica Jane. It's expensive to be me and it's
Speaker 1: fifty thousand. You're up here. You've made you pinch yourself
Speaker 1: into the rich corner. Now the Tom thing happens, tom
Speaker 1: thing could have happened to many people, and the Luanne
Speaker 1: things could have happened to many people. But when you
Speaker 1: paint yourself into the etiquette or I'm so rich it's
Speaker 1: so expensive to be me, that's when you have problems
Speaker 1: like That's where Karna comes in really good with the show, though, Bethany,
Speaker 1: because when people are so identified with themselves, with their
Speaker 1: own identity, it's all that they literally created this thing
Speaker 1: and they presented on this giant. You know, it's their
Speaker 1: soap box. It's it's gonna come crashing back on them always, yes,
Speaker 1: and well you think it's karma. I think it's karma
Speaker 1: and also life like No, yes, I don't know anybody
Speaker 1: who's been incarcerated for all these different things. I don't
Speaker 1: know anybody like Luan who got arrested for like cursing
Speaker 1: out a like I don't know, well, I know Luan,
Speaker 1: but I think it's karma and it's also life. So
Speaker 1: life gets in the meaning. But it's the corner you
Speaker 1: paint yourself into, like you notice, it's so much more meaning.
Speaker 1: I don't think Ellen, who I know, well, I don't
Speaker 1: think that her problems would have been as great if
Speaker 1: be kind to each other wasn't the last thing she said,
Speaker 1: and it's a great message to say, be kind to
Speaker 1: each other, regardless of what she's doing not to but
Speaker 1: it's just sort of like something for people to hang onto.
Speaker 1: So I'm hanging on to Lisa Barlow part of the
Speaker 1: Mormon church, and it's to attain perfection. And you're now
Speaker 1: saying you don't sit down at dinner with your kids
Speaker 1: and you eat fast food and go through the drive through.
Speaker 1: It's it's the previous comment is what defines the rest
Speaker 1: of it. So you say you like junk food and
Speaker 1: you're not great at sitting down with your kids. Okay,
Speaker 1: but you've said you're a Mormon, So it's about attaining perfection, right,
Speaker 1: So now I don't understand this juxtaposition. It's real Housewives
Speaker 1: of contradictions. It truly is. Yes, And in the greatest
Speaker 1: place you can find them is any first season of
Speaker 1: the Housewives, because it's almost like going on a first date.
Speaker 1: Do you ever notice people who they really are? Sometimes?
Speaker 1: And yes, then you wind up seeing the true colors.
Speaker 1: It's like I remember back like I am someone that
Speaker 1: doesn't cheat on anybody, and like, oh, that means you
Speaker 1: cheat on people like you know, it's like people do
Speaker 1: wind up. It's like this life. That's why I call
Speaker 1: it karma. It's like you can't escape um evolution, spiritual evolution,
Speaker 1: no matter yes, something will come bite you in the ass.
Speaker 1: And now do you think that people? Here's the thing
Speaker 1: I used to think and I still sometimes think that
Speaker 1: you could grab any five women in a mall and
Speaker 1: put them together and you'd come up with something like this.
Speaker 1: Do you really think, like, do you think everybody has
Speaker 1: these dark circles and is do you think they know
Speaker 1: that they're lying or they're trying to secret it to
Speaker 1: be true? Like what is actually going on? I mean,
Speaker 1: how do they what do you think? I love that
Speaker 1: question so much because I'm one of those people that
Speaker 1: love to peel onions and go deep down rabbits hole
Speaker 1: and thinkings like that. You know, I don't think everybody
Speaker 1: has those deep dark secrets and could unravel like that.
Speaker 1: But everybody has a story. Everybody has pain. But it's
Speaker 1: a matter of how you present it, how you deal
Speaker 1: with it, who you take it out on, do you
Speaker 1: work on it? And there's just some people that only
Speaker 1: know how to project it. There's no self inquiry, so
Speaker 1: it's just a matter of you know, the projectors and
Speaker 1: the self inquiry people that know how to do the work.
Speaker 1: So I think they're are two different groups of people
Speaker 1: that they would make horrible housewives. People that do that
Speaker 1: have done therapy and working on themselves started in today's
Speaker 1: day and age. You know, like, would we really cast
Speaker 1: someone on this Salt Lake City who was a peaceful,
Speaker 1: kind person that did tons of work on themselves and
Speaker 1: doesn't project No, no, but more than well yes, but no. Correct.
Speaker 1: But I think it's being self aware. I think it's
Speaker 1: so important for people to be self aware. And you know,
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Caroline Manzo a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago about something and she talked about she said,
Speaker 1: you know, and I don't know her very well, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what the hell she's done on the show,
Speaker 1: but I she said, we had a rough pandemic and
Speaker 1: this happened, and it took a hit. We took a hit.
Speaker 1: And it was like three sentences, but it was so
Speaker 1: shocking because it was nothing that anybody would ever say,
Speaker 1: just like to say we took a hit during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: To be honest about what's actually going on. I mean,
Speaker 1: and I was I think I was successful in the
Speaker 1: house because I was like not buying diamonds and trying
Speaker 1: to pretend I was rich because I wasn't rich. I
Speaker 1: was in a cheap old kitchen trying to be something,
Speaker 1: and I was just explaining in real time where I
Speaker 1: was and what I was dealing with. Well, you were
Speaker 1: one of us. You were the audience, you were one
Speaker 1: of us. You know. I was being someone saying to me.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, do you want to move in together? He's like,
Speaker 1: we'll talk about it later, like in front of you guys.
Speaker 1: Like I was exposed. So yeah, I wasn't like, let
Speaker 1: me go shop for shit and pretend on something I
Speaker 1: didn't even know to be that. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: why can you name another housewife right now that is
Speaker 1: self aware? Because I can't. I would say if I
Speaker 1: had to, and I don't know all the shows, but
Speaker 1: on this one, there certainly was. If I had to
Speaker 1: put the most self aware of one, on this one,
Speaker 1: it was the blonde who got mayor who had the
Speaker 1: renewal of the vows. Do you think she's self aware?
Speaker 1: Don't I think so? I don't. I don't know from
Speaker 1: what she was comparing her and Heather, because Heather was
Speaker 1: Heather was like saying her flaws and things, but it
Speaker 1: seemed like a little put on, like doing it to say,
Speaker 1: like I like black man, I like gay men, Like
Speaker 1: we know where a camera there. The other girl was
Speaker 1: like I cheated and I want to like get back
Speaker 1: at those people that didn't like it, and like there
Speaker 1: was something about her that just was like, this is
Speaker 1: what went on and this is how I feel, and
Speaker 1: I haven't seen. She could be off the show for
Speaker 1: all I know. I'd like, I don't know either. I
Speaker 1: have no idea. But that's that's actually a really good
Speaker 1: one to point out, because you're right, she was honest
Speaker 1: about it, but we, like I had no idea. She
Speaker 1: could turn out to be the most evil and we
Speaker 1: don't have to like her, but I at least think
Speaker 1: she was honest. So I think that the I think
Speaker 1: that maybe Candy is fairly self aware. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say if I had to pick the most self aware,
Speaker 1: because right, you may like someone more, but self aware
Speaker 1: is different, you know, like like Caroline is honest, was
Speaker 1: honest with me about taking a hit during the pandemic.
Speaker 1: But I watched back some of her episodes and when
Speaker 1: she's like taking over during the table flip and like
Speaker 1: I'm the Dawn and you're gonna come kiss the ring
Speaker 1: and go through like she was being a buff. I
Speaker 1: didn't love that. That's not that self aware. She didn't really,
Speaker 1: she was being like that. Candy is fairly self aware
Speaker 1: and manages to deliver content and still somehow be in
Speaker 1: control of herself and not in a self produced way
Speaker 1: like she rides her time. But so that's why I
Speaker 1: haven't seen it, and I haven't seen that one in
Speaker 1: years either. But that's what I gather from that. Were
Speaker 1: actually some really good names. But I will say about
Speaker 1: the Salt Lake City ones, they haven't in that this
Speaker 1: first episode. They haven't experience in Spain. Once you go
Speaker 1: through the fame mill and you come back yourself, you
Speaker 1: know that self aware could be gone because now you're
Speaker 1: reading tweets. You're there, drank the shit, you drank the
Speaker 1: kool aid. You drank kool aid, and now you're getting
Speaker 1: bombarded with all these people. I don't like this that
Speaker 1: you did this. I don't like this. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: now I need to hide my flaws or my demons
Speaker 1: or my skeletons because or become who they want me
Speaker 1: to be, and I'll become less authentic like and that's
Speaker 1: the big rub two here, because you know, on this show,
Speaker 1: these women they're trying to give the customer what the
Speaker 1: customer wants. They've seen us watch Beverly Hills. They've seen
Speaker 1: us see all the Ramez and the Gucci head to do.
Speaker 1: They're trying to give the customer what the customer wants,
Speaker 1: and then the customer will go back and be mad.
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody complained about Mindy Kaling's weight. Now she
Speaker 1: lost weight and they're on her about the ozempic and
Speaker 1: did you do did you lose weight exactly how we
Speaker 1: wanted you to or Hyle, we don't believe you that
Speaker 1: it's working out it so it's a witch hunt because
Speaker 1: we want you to do it the way we want
Speaker 1: you to do. We want you to be rich, but
Speaker 1: we don't want you to flaunt it like it's it's
Speaker 1: it's so you go. That's the thing, Betty, I gotta
Speaker 1: know this because that meeting that happens at the end
Speaker 1: of each season, the dreaded meeting where people find out
Speaker 1: if they're coming back as a friend or not at all?
Speaker 1: A la la la la. Do people only have one
Speaker 1: year contracts? Is that to keep people on their toes?
Speaker 1: Is that to keep them hungry or despot I love? Okay,
Speaker 1: So what happens is at the beginning of the season,
Speaker 1: producers want to sit down with you and like talk
Speaker 1: to you. What's going on, what's going with your kid,
Speaker 1: what's going with your life, blah blah blah. And like
Speaker 1: I said, in the very beginning of the process, you're
Speaker 1: like throwing and I just Duranda jumps off the page.
Speaker 1: Drenda always wanted it to be like her friend's restaurant.
Speaker 1: Can we go here in my trip? And I know this?
Speaker 1: And you get tired as you get older in it,
Speaker 1: and like you don't care anymore. But so you sit
Speaker 1: down and you're like, I think we should do this,
Speaker 1: and I think we should do pottery, and I think
Speaker 1: I want to go get my real estate license. So
Speaker 1: you know, let's follow that. And what happens is they
Speaker 1: say everything and the producers are yesing you. Then you
Speaker 1: get into it and they've got five housewives, they've got
Speaker 1: a certain number of days a week and one thread.
Speaker 1: It's like a tree. It's like a tree, and it
Speaker 1: could have branches to it, so I could say something
Speaker 1: and we could do this one stupid thing that wasn't
Speaker 1: supposed to be something. But if there's some lunatic that's
Speaker 1: at that class, that's its own little tree branch that
Speaker 1: will grow. And then someone over here is saying, but
Speaker 1: wait a minute, why aren't you showing my charity. Then
Speaker 1: you'll get into another fight because they shot it, but
Speaker 1: then they did naar it. So next season you're mad
Speaker 1: at them because they shot it just to fucking shut
Speaker 1: you up, but then they didn't narrow it or you
Speaker 1: aired two seconds of it, so that was people getting
Speaker 1: a mad and then people think their producers being like
Speaker 1: that was a great scene. I don't know why you
Speaker 1: didn't focus more on that, you know. So it's like
Speaker 1: there's a lot of wheeling and dealing, but once you
Speaker 1: get onto the field and the game has started, it's
Speaker 1: hard to stop them down. But we need you to
Speaker 1: go over to do this thing. And they're like rolling
Speaker 1: their eyes because they got fucking fish over here in
Speaker 1: the boat. The fish over here. There's fish with this
Speaker 1: Lisa Barlow fight with you know, Lisa Barlow thing with
Speaker 1: Heather like that's where the fish went. So it's like
Speaker 1: everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the face.
Speaker 1: So at the end of the season, you shoot it.
Speaker 1: It's on. Nothing is known until after the reunion is aired,
Speaker 1: and then all the ratings are in, and then they'll
Speaker 1: send everybody, in the most tortuous manner a pickup letter.
Speaker 1: So someone didn't get the letter, they might get a
Speaker 1: phone call that they didn't get the pickup letter. Then
Speaker 1: they start with terminology, the stupid pause terminology. So then
Speaker 1: you need to say that you left and all that,
Speaker 1: and ninety eight percent were fired. Two percent have left.
Speaker 1: I left, Denise Richards left, Carolin Manzo left. That's pretty
Speaker 1: much the rest were fired. I asked Andy. At one point,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, I feel like obviously each woman
Speaker 1: has to, you know, make sure that they somewhat hit
Speaker 1: it out of the park, at least have a storyline
Speaker 1: or some substance. They can't just sit there like look
Speaker 1: like a like an observer through the season. And if
Speaker 1: you push, you know, to push buttons, you become kind
Speaker 1: of a bad guy. You bring the drama, bring the drama.
Speaker 1: But then you're damned if you do, and you're damned
Speaker 1: if you don't, because you get killed in social media
Speaker 1: for like bringing the drama. But then if you're boring,
Speaker 1: you get killed for being born right. Like Lisa Wren
Speaker 1: is a great example because she went in, she brought it,
Speaker 1: she did it, she was the villain. It's really about
Speaker 1: where the taste of the audience is. If they love
Speaker 1: to hate you, like you're loving to hate Jnshaw right
Speaker 1: now at this point in the series. If they love
Speaker 1: to hate you, fine, If they love to love you, fine.
Speaker 1: If they hate to hate you, bye bye. So the
Speaker 1: audience ended up hating to hate Lisa Rinna is effectively
Speaker 1: what seems like it happened, or hating to hate Ramot
Speaker 1: like it makes you feel gross you hate something bad
Speaker 1: when you're watching because you hate to hate, like loving
Speaker 1: to hate it's like a guilty pleasure. It's dynasty. So
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a psychology to it all. But
Speaker 1: to your point, and to the distilling down and fear based,
Speaker 1: you know, casting a group it doesn't know each other
Speaker 1: because we have to check the box, Andy responded with,
Speaker 1: it's a it's it's it's a fine line to walk.
Speaker 1: He's right, Yeah, he's right, because he's a fine line
Speaker 1: to walk exactly so doing showcasing a wedding, and first
Speaker 1: season seemed very very desperate. I like an excommunication. I
Speaker 1: mean it's I mean, to be excommunicated from the church,
Speaker 1: and everybody here has some some tie to bring him yet,
Speaker 1: like to the to the founders of the more im
Speaker 1: in religion. How crazy is that? That girl, that blonde
Speaker 1: girl is very attractive, and I'm trying to picture fourteen
Speaker 1: years ago not to be like what that combo was
Speaker 1: like at day off. She's a babe. Now she's a babe,
Speaker 1: and she's got a stripper pole, and she looks a
Speaker 1: little bit like you to me, like she I was like,
Speaker 1: this is funny. This is the one who looks the
Speaker 1: most like genuine. She's really pretty and like blonde and
Speaker 1: perky and like the blue eyes, and like I was
Speaker 1: into her, and she's got the stripper pole. I liked her. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who my friend? Who would you be friends with if
Speaker 1: you had to be friends, if you were forced to
Speaker 1: be friends in this group, they were the only women alive,
Speaker 1: I would say her. But I don't think we have
Speaker 1: a ton in colm with her personality. I don't think so.
Speaker 1: So probably Lisa, and maybe that's because I met her
Speaker 1: before and I haven't seen her. I think she becomes
Speaker 1: a disaster in many ways. I don't know, but probably
Speaker 1: Lisa because there's too much being hidden from the wife
Speaker 1: with the husband who's out of town, and that's just
Speaker 1: not going to work for me. I don't like any
Speaker 1: I'd rather messy than like. Not true, that's true. So
Speaker 1: the blonde who looks more like you, the pretty blonde
Speaker 1: or Lisa, I thank you. Um. I would probably say
Speaker 1: the pretty blonde because she doesn't seem explosive. I'm not.
Speaker 1: I don't really being around. I'm an Irish Catholic family
Speaker 1: of so many alcoholics in my family that gives me,
Speaker 1: you know, triggers. You're like, oh, it's like I can't
Speaker 1: do that. So she seemed like she'd be a little peaceful,
Speaker 1: but you know, she could turn into the Exorcist by
Speaker 1: episode you know four. I don't know yet exactly. I
Speaker 1: don't know either. We're speaking. People are gonna be like
Speaker 1: you doubt two dumb dumbs. We don't even know exactly.
Speaker 1: Oh so now let's get to heart. This is where
Speaker 1: it's full BTS fakeness. So Whitney sits down with this
Speaker 1: other girl. So Mary Cosby's married to the grandpa. I
Speaker 1: don't understand. I don't even understand it. You can explain
Speaker 1: it to me and I won't be able to understand.
Speaker 1: I don't understand she wound up marrying her great to
Speaker 1: keep the church in the family. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I want. I think the producers in the casting deserve
Speaker 1: and award. I think they're this is unbelievable that you've
Speaker 1: found people like this, Like this is really award winning casting.
Speaker 1: So this woman is somehow married to her step grandpa.
Speaker 1: Does that even count? I don't know. Does that count?
Speaker 1: Like I don't understand. I don't really understand it, but
Speaker 1: it feels its incestuous to me on me too. But
Speaker 1: is it? Is it legal? Or is this like different
Speaker 1: like Mormon law? I don't I don't know. So she
Speaker 1: seems fucking nuts. She seems nuts. Now do you think
Speaker 1: that this money is real? With the Valentino and with
Speaker 1: this stuff and the sharing in the closet with the
Speaker 1: gen Shaw, do you think this is real? No? Because
Speaker 1: I think when people are that obnoxious about it, it's
Speaker 1: it's sus to me. I go, okay, okay, This is
Speaker 1: where it's fake, where she's going to go to the
Speaker 1: party and Jen Shaw is gonna invite her at a house.
Speaker 1: It was a good lie that she's saying because the
Speaker 1: girl whose birthday it was wanted her there. That feels
Speaker 1: like a lie. But you see that the producers have
Speaker 1: been texting the girl at the table to be like, no,
Speaker 1: you have to invite her, you have to invite her,
Speaker 1: and like, did you get a text? It's so embarrassing,
Speaker 1: Like Mary Cosby was sitting there and the producer should
Speaker 1: have said, like, just look at your phone, and then
Speaker 1: the girl comes back and it's there. It's just too
Speaker 1: fake to look at your text. Did you get a text?
Speaker 1: I know, I even I saw that. I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: you could tell the producers are texting her right now.
Speaker 1: But I will see. I will give Mary the goat
Speaker 1: line of all lines, which is you smell like a hospital.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're going yeah, okay. And she just
Speaker 1: basically hot her whole thing in her life. She did
Speaker 1: not paint herself into the perfect corner. It's the only
Speaker 1: thing I'll say, she said. I say whatever the fuck
Speaker 1: is on my mind. Everyone else says it about me,
Speaker 1: So you know, but it still leaves a mark. So
Speaker 1: she says, so she and Jen are fake friends. Obviously
Speaker 1: you could tell they're casting a show. They've become friends
Speaker 1: or in each other's closets, and a fight already ensues
Speaker 1: by the time this cake is baked. It feels like
Speaker 1: there was a pile it shot and totally it feels
Speaker 1: like there's a mixture of like old and new scenes
Speaker 1: that don't track that are part of like when they're
Speaker 1: deciding if this is going to be a sold show.
Speaker 1: It feels like a mixed weird Hodgepodge potlock supper of
Speaker 1: shooting our scenes. They stotch taped a scene from the
Speaker 1: pilot into this, thank you. It feels like right, So
Speaker 1: she became friends with Jen. They're already fighting, thank god.
Speaker 1: And I just want to say that Jen's like, it's
Speaker 1: Jen Shaw, it's the shah. Shelle, just call it the shale.
Speaker 1: Have the marketing be called the fucking Shala and say
Speaker 1: it right, it's the gen shot, It's the Shaw shell shale.
Speaker 1: Lose it the syllable so stupid like sal. So, anyway,
Speaker 1: we're at the shale, and um, she said, she smells
Speaker 1: like hospital. I kind of I kind of understand that
Speaker 1: being a sentence if someone might say it's a very distinct,
Speaker 1: very distinct, it is. I I went, I understand what
Speaker 1: she's saying. Now, is it right? Say no? Not necessarily?
Speaker 1: Is it hilarious? Fuck? Yeah? But um when she says
Speaker 1: was like a hospital, like I know exactly what she's
Speaker 1: talking about, Like it's oh my god, it's the perfect description.
Speaker 1: But then she doubles down with what she says when
Speaker 1: she finds out that Jen was like, I just had
Speaker 1: an aunt that had her legs cut off. And then
Speaker 1: she goes on to say, well, it's not my fault
Speaker 1: that she doesn't eat healthy. Oh no, when she was
Speaker 1: in the interview and she went on to no fucking
Speaker 1: he Jen, Jen has a fucking turtle like her rthy.
Speaker 1: She did trip. She didn't double down, she quad dripple down.
Speaker 1: She was just like, I mean, like you said anything,
Speaker 1: someone lost her legs And she's like, wow, she mustn't
Speaker 1: have eaten healthy. Go eating fruit? Like what that has
Speaker 1: Stop eating bad? She's like eating bad? That's an evil part,
Speaker 1: Like that you're evil? That just went evil? Like she
Speaker 1: made Jen Shaw look right totally, this is crazy. She
Speaker 1: just said, well, it's not my fault. She like she's
Speaker 1: tripling down. She went deep on it. It's that's a
Speaker 1: person though. I bet you she's not around anymore. That's
Speaker 1: I hate to hate like she's going on the hate
Speaker 1: to hate road. Even jen Shaw is on the love
Speaker 1: to hate road. This girl right now is on the hate.
Speaker 1: It doesn't seem like it's going that great to me.
Speaker 1: That's right asking for a friend. Um, so, what the
Speaker 1: fuck would make jen Shaw have a party and even
Speaker 1: pretended it's for somebody else. It was so offensive to
Speaker 1: under the guise of it being for somebody else. How embarrassing.
Speaker 1: I think I think that was on purpose. I think
Speaker 1: she was like, oh, they're gonna love to gossip about this.
Speaker 1: That's the only thing I could think of. It had
Speaker 1: to be a conscious decision to go, all right, people
Speaker 1: are gonna like love to hate me that I threw
Speaker 1: this party for my friend, but I have my name
Speaker 1: on the entrance, you know. I think I think it
Speaker 1: was a little on purpose. I don't think she was.
Speaker 1: She could be that dumb. But or did the train
Speaker 1: leave a station? The producers are talking about we want
Speaker 1: to have a party for Meredith's birthdays coming up what
Speaker 1: should we do. Maybe Meredith is nuts like me and
Speaker 1: doesn't want to bomb her own house. Maybe Jen Shaw
Speaker 1: is living in a house of cards anyway, So she's like,
Speaker 1: I lie to my husband like I lie to other people,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna i want to be the center of attention,
Speaker 1: so I'll throw this party. And then the train left
Speaker 1: the station and she's got and who said it though, like, um,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that she's a she's she's she's kind
Speaker 1: of conservative. I don't think she's gonna want these like
Speaker 1: Chippendale strippers at a party. And Jen was just like,
Speaker 1: I don't care. It was definitely right, Like she's being
Speaker 1: marketed to be the classy one, Meredith, right, Like she's
Speaker 1: marketed to be the you know what I'm saying. But
Speaker 1: her husband's got a your backpack, she has a gay son,
Speaker 1: and she's the conservative one, like I don't know where
Speaker 1: these fake labels come from. I don't know. And she
Speaker 1: wears a giant pink feather like Maleficent outfit. Right, they
Speaker 1: all just look like lost, little twelve year old girls
Speaker 1: on the playground that would that would normally never talk
Speaker 1: to each other. Have you ever gone to the mecal,
Speaker 1: I have not have you now? Okay, but does this
Speaker 1: she kept calling this, why, yes of salt? Like what
Speaker 1: with white sheets taped to the ceiling? I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: I go, wait a minute, she's moving the furniture out
Speaker 1: for white sheets on the wall. Like that's where I
Speaker 1: don't get some of these things. No, me too, right?
Speaker 1: What the white Yeah, that's a great pause. And now
Speaker 1: if you watch the party, it's white sheets and a
Speaker 1: dumb little couch. There's like they're not even like lit.
Speaker 1: There's there's nothing except just white. We don't want to
Speaker 1: see the brown walls. We want white sheets, right. And
Speaker 1: so she had a traumatic eight odor gland removing surgeries,
Speaker 1: which made it very traumatic to go back and think
Speaker 1: about because it reminds her when she smells this other
Speaker 1: person's hospital like that. Wait didn't she Did she say
Speaker 1: she died too? Did she say she good? They had
Speaker 1: to bring me back? Yes? Right, yes, yes, Sometimes I
Speaker 1: just want to look at you my notebook because I
Speaker 1: have this notebook and the last thing that I wrote,
Speaker 1: whether the last thing that I wrote, and I can't wait.
Speaker 1: They're gonna go fucking crazy. The last thing I wrote
Speaker 1: was vile people That's what I wrote. She just said
Speaker 1: about an amputee that she had to go get her
Speaker 1: glands removed and and eat more of whatever, And I
Speaker 1: wrote vile people like I don't know how this show survived.
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know. All right, we're getting the
Speaker 1: producers on. What did we ask you in the beginning?
Speaker 1: Jenny wanted in the beginning to know something. Do you
Speaker 1: want to know about the Mormon rules? Okay, let's go
Speaker 1: give us the Mormon rules? Okay? No alcohol, no alcohol,
Speaker 1: no tobacco, no tobacco, no coffee or tea? What the fuck? Okay? Like,
Speaker 1: what are these arbitraryials? No coffee or tea? What okay?
Speaker 1: But botox is okay? Coffee is bad, but botox is okay.
Speaker 1: This is such a sick, fucking crazy go ahead. No drugs,
Speaker 1: no drugs, okay, No sex before marriage, sex before marriage.
Speaker 1: I would not make it on this series. Yeah, you've
Speaker 1: got fired two six rules ago. Okay? How how are
Speaker 1: any of them even a Mormon still on the show?
Speaker 1: Are Are they any of them still? Right? Is anybody
Speaker 1: still a true, tried and true Mormon? That or no?
Speaker 1: Lisa Barlow who used to be Jewish but now is Mormon. Wait,
Speaker 1: but she has an alcohol line, so she doesn't drink it.
Speaker 1: She's saying she's peddling. She doesn't get high on her own,
Speaker 1: supplies that with the guys. Is she drinks it and
Speaker 1: claims she's just Mormon? Two point zero? Ah, that's a scam.
Speaker 1: Two point Oh okay. Who's still on the show today?
Speaker 1: Lisa Barlow? Okay, the they're gay? Okay? Meredith Marks Whitney,
Speaker 1: who you like? Yep? Jenshaw obviously not okay? And Mary
Speaker 1: left the show, but she's filming for the new season coming.
Speaker 1: Who won the episode? To you? And who lost? Oh? God?
Speaker 1: Who won? Yeah? Good? I think Whitney and Heather one
Speaker 1: from me. Whitney was honest about her situation. She's she's
Speaker 1: the one who is still together with the guy, which
Speaker 1: in most lifetimes would never happen. So she won and
Speaker 1: she should go reapply to Mormonism if she wants to.
Speaker 1: And I think I think Jen lost. Yeah. I don't
Speaker 1: think Jen was likable. And I met her. I told
Speaker 1: you I don't think she was likable. I don't want
Speaker 1: I think she was. I think she was. She is obnoxious,
Speaker 1: but I think she was trying too hard, and it
Speaker 1: just didn't. She could have been funny with it and
Speaker 1: did fifty percent and I would have liked her, but
Speaker 1: she just did too much. All right, let's let's talk
Speaker 1: about the masks. Singer. Um, I think you're great. I
Speaker 1: think you're great. I think it's great. I think like
Speaker 1: it's larger than life, Isn't it like Fox's number one
Speaker 1: primetime show. It's like a major fucking show. It's it's
Speaker 1: done very well. I'm so freaking grateful obviously to have
Speaker 1: work in this business at any point, but still a
Speaker 1: major work. It took a major show and you're a
Speaker 1: major part of it. They asked me to do it,
Speaker 1: and I took a couple of the lessons, but being
Speaker 1: in a mask didn't seem like the best use for me.
Speaker 1: And going back and forth to La and years ago
Speaker 1: I did Dancing with the Stars, and it's just like
Speaker 1: sometimes say yes to something and it's going to grind
Speaker 1: your body. Oh, I would have loved it. If you
Speaker 1: were on, I would have loved it. But but you
Speaker 1: love it? And how many seasons have you been doing it?
Speaker 1: We're on. We did season nine seasons already. Did you
Speaker 1: think it was going to be a joke. The first
Speaker 1: you won the first season, I was I was when
Speaker 1: my agent first called, He's like, I'm turning this down,
Speaker 1: and I was like, no, this actually checks boxes being
Speaker 1: weird celebrity also like a who is it kind of
Speaker 1: a thing. I go, I think this might work, and
Speaker 1: then I didn't know he turned it down behind my back.
Speaker 1: But then they came back and he's like, ah, you
Speaker 1: made another offer. So then I was like, let me
Speaker 1: do what. I kind of dig it and it worked. Amazing.
Speaker 1: What you're doing great, and I'm you should be grateful
Speaker 1: with the crazy career that you've had from New Year's
Speaker 1: Eve with Ryan Seacrest to The View to The View
Speaker 1: to the View to being like known as a sex
Speaker 1: symbol only and now being married to someone who's also
Speaker 1: interesting and being funny, and like, You've had many lives
Speaker 1: and they've all been good and they've evolved, your successful
Speaker 1: radio show like you you Don't Stop You Hustle. I
Speaker 1: definitely do. You know it's the single mom worries inside
Speaker 1: of me when I was single and had to raise Evan,
Speaker 1: you know, with all of his issues, it was just
Speaker 1: kind of like I need to stay afloat and then
Speaker 1: I need to be here as long as possible for him. Jenny,
Speaker 1: we may have to do this again. I mean, I
Speaker 1: found this to me. I'm talking to you. I can't
Speaker 1: tell you so thank you. The best time ever. Will
Speaker 1: you please come back another time? Like there's let's do it.
Speaker 1: It's like liberating and it's just like dynamics. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I love just these people. This is insane, all right.
Speaker 1: I love you, I always have like you. I love
Speaker 1: you too. I love you. I respect the hell out
Speaker 1: of you. Bethany. Likewise, thank you so much for doing this.
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. H