WEBVTT - 112: Can Sell Culture 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.120 It's two thirty eight am in a parallel universe and 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:15.760 you're listening Tonight Call. Welcome to Night Call, a call 0:00:15.880 --> 0:00:19.560 in show for our dystopian reality. I am your host, 0:00:19.640 --> 0:00:23.120 Molly Lambert, and with me as always are Tess Lying 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:28.440 and Emily Yoshida. Hey, guys, what's up? So we last 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:33.640 week we talked about the kind of science computer programming 0:00:33.680 --> 0:00:36.239 reality behind White t u K and what it actually was. 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:38.840 And one of the things we discussed was that there 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:44.320 is something called the problem, which is, as you can 0:00:44.360 --> 0:00:49.239 tell from the title, going to happen in And we 0:00:49.720 --> 0:00:55.000 got a bunch of both helpful and very like straining 0:00:55.040 --> 0:00:59.400 the capacity of my brain right now, emails and calls 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:05.160 from sners about what problem is. So, um, yeah, Test, 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:08.120 you want to like talk a little bit about I 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.120 don't know what what you've learned, I can go through 0:01:10.160 --> 0:01:13.760 like my basic understanding of it. I'm so scared to 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.920 get into this, but I have to first. I want 0:01:15.959 --> 0:01:18.720 to shout out a couple of people who wrote in um, 0:01:18.760 --> 0:01:21.880 We're gonna pull from what they said. We we got, um, 0:01:22.080 --> 0:01:26.559 former software engineers, very very smart people who I don't 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.600 know what capacity they work in software, but yeah, it 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:34.720 was amazing too to have this explained, and and it 0:01:34.760 --> 0:01:37.720 was truly humbling. UM. I have to say that one 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:40.360 thing that might that was a through line that might 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:42.960 make sense before we get into the meat of these emails, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:45.040 is that you may have noticed if you have a 0:01:45.040 --> 0:01:48.400 Mac that recently you had to upgrade update your computer 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:52.280 to the computer iOS to Catalina. And if you did 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:54.560 that and you had some older software on your computer 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:59.120 like word, um, I believe, Excel, Scrivener, those might all 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:02.720 of a sudden have excess through them. And so one 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:04.320 of the things that I kind of drew from this, 0:02:04.440 --> 0:02:07.080 having updated to Catalina just a couple of days ago, 0:02:07.720 --> 0:02:10.760 is that that is because Catalina can't work with thirty 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.079 two bits software, it has to work with sixty four 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.919 bit software. Yeah, so some of these kind of antiquated 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.959 UM programs that we're using will eventually no longer work 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:24.600 unless you upgrade to the sixty four bits. So even 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.480 if you can't, yeah, if you can't understand some of 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:30.280 what's going on here and know that in real life, 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:33.079 it actually does affect you. And and everybody who wrote 0:02:33.120 --> 0:02:36.240 in did touch on the thirty two bit difference. UM. So, 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:40.160 first off. We have Diane the former software engineer, and 0:02:40.240 --> 0:02:43.680 she said, uh. In regards to explaining the eight bug, 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.920 the underlying issue is in the way that most computing 0:02:46.919 --> 0:02:50.160 systems represent time stamps as the number of seconds that 0:02:50.200 --> 0:02:54.480 have passed since January one represented as time stamp zero, 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.680 So that was kind of an arbitrary date that was 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:02.160 decided as your one. Computers. Your for its UNIX, right, yes, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:05.520 it's UNIX. So in some systems, she goes on, this 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:08.560 time stamp is stored is stored as a sign, meaning 0:03:08.600 --> 0:03:11.440 it can be positive or negative thirty two bit integer, 0:03:11.760 --> 0:03:13.960 so there are some bits that are that are used 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:15.919 to store what the number is and a bit to 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.800 store the sign. The highest number that can be represented 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:21.960 by this type of integer is, Oh god, do I 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.080 have to read this long number? I'm just gonna say no. 0:03:24.520 --> 0:03:30.720 Two billion, one hight three thousand, six hundred and forty seven. 0:03:30.840 --> 0:03:34.239 Thank you. How do you measure a year in the life? 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:41.280 In the life? How about how about as time stamp January? 0:03:41.560 --> 0:03:45.000 If if a program increments the time stamp beyond that, 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.560 she says, it will cause integer overflow, which means that 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:51.160 having run out of usable digit bits, it will instead 0:03:51.200 --> 0:03:53.840 flip the bit used to store the sign, causing it 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:59.720 to be interpreted as a huge negative number representing December one, which, 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:04.000 without needing more much more explanation, would cause a cluster fuck. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.480 And now I would like to also tip my hat 0:04:07.560 --> 0:04:10.760 to Jeff who wrote in to point out um. He 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:14.680 wrote a long explainer that was also super comprehensive that 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:18.400 unfortunately we don't have the brains to be able to 0:04:18.400 --> 0:04:23.479 explain but before the time, but he did make He 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.360 did point out something that's very night call, which is 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:29.560 that from the computer's perspective, I'm quoting here rather than 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:34.880 rolling from December January one, d the y two k problem. 0:04:34.920 --> 0:04:38.520 If the problem isn't fixed, some computers will go directly 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:42.479 from three fourteen oh seven on Tuesday nineteenth of January 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:51.440 fifty two on Friday, December one, little spooky dash of 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:57.839 a computer computer creepiness. Uh So that was that, I mean, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.560 we actually we. We even had one who pointed out 0:05:00.880 --> 0:05:03.279 a link to the legend a Zelda. One of my 0:05:03.440 --> 0:05:08.599 favorite factoris that I found out about the problem was 0:05:08.680 --> 0:05:11.200 that we kind of got a preview. Another way to 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:13.120 kind of understand it a little bit is we got 0:05:13.200 --> 0:05:19.000 a preview of the problem from Gagenam Style of all things. Um, 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:22.880 I this was referenced and I think a Guardian article 0:05:22.960 --> 0:05:25.320 and then I found like a Metro UK article which 0:05:25.360 --> 0:05:27.960 is like dodgy but also like it's been sided by 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:31.560 a lot of people. But that Um, when Gagnam Style 0:05:32.000 --> 0:05:37.640 passed that number two billion, one hundred and something thousand 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:41.080 or a million, uh it uh, there was a glitch 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:44.320 and the views went down to zero. And I remember 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:46.360 this too because everybody was like, oh my god, it's 0:05:46.400 --> 0:05:49.040 like breaking records. And then suddenly it showed zero and 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:52.479 it was because YouTube had only had thirty two bit 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.360 thirty two bits to count views, and then they did 0:05:55.400 --> 0:05:58.039 a quick update to sixty four bits and then and 0:05:58.160 --> 0:06:01.719 now they can count up to I don't even This 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.040 is when I actually don't know how. I'm pretty sure 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:10.240 that's a quintillion, like nine quintillion, two, three quadrillion. Uh yeah, 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:11.960 I don't know. It's a lot. So yeah, it just 0:06:11.960 --> 0:06:15.120 seems like it's this The idea of counting time as 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.080 in this linear way is kind of what's going to 0:06:18.160 --> 0:06:22.719 trip up a lot of um computer systems. So interesting, 0:06:23.160 --> 0:06:26.240 we got it. But yeah, like like the like you 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.120 mentioned with the Catalina thing, it just seems like like 0:06:29.200 --> 0:06:32.000 everybody's It seems similar to the Y d K thing, 0:06:32.000 --> 0:06:34.800 where it's just like this isn't a big deal, and 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:37.080 like most people, there's an easy fix for all of 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:40.679 this stuff, like what what Apple did. It's just like 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.560 everybody has to do it. That's the main thing. And 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:46.839 the other the other thing that's weird is that Apple 0:06:47.320 --> 0:06:50.039 does have to do this and the other programs do 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:52.360 you have to update? And and we were warned because 0:06:52.360 --> 0:06:54.240 I complained to my dad about what happened when I 0:06:54.320 --> 0:06:56.880 upgraded to Catalina. I was like, and now I have to, 0:06:57.160 --> 0:06:59.680 you know, do a subscription model for Microsoft Office and 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:02.240 all this stuff. And he was like, but you were 0:07:02.560 --> 0:07:04.920 they sent They told you millions of times that this 0:07:05.000 --> 0:07:07.640 was going to be a problem and no, and everyone 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:10.960 who's complaining was kind of just ignoring being told by 0:07:11.120 --> 0:07:14.920 these technological companies like hey, you're gonna have to change 0:07:14.920 --> 0:07:17.760 at some point or everything can't work. But it still 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.320 makes me mad. I mean, we're talking about getting into 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:24.920 custom computer stuff. Uh, just off the air a little 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.760 while ago, um and telling one of our other producers 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:32.560 about basically the halt and catch fire, the flashpoint of 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:36.120 computing deciding that you couldn't just decide what gets to 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.720 stay on the computer. The computer brand decides for you 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:43.640 with the update and things like that. I'm definitely like, no, 0:07:43.800 --> 0:07:46.280 I want a computer that lets me have an old 0:07:46.400 --> 0:07:50.080 Yankee word if that's what I want. You know, like, 0:07:50.440 --> 0:07:56.360 people have emotional attachments to programs and just even interfaces, 0:07:56.400 --> 0:08:00.240 and I think that the way, especially with Apple prod next, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.800 that they've made it so it's like you really can't 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.440 use anything from a product when it stops wanting to 0:08:06.520 --> 0:08:09.800 work is like not what customers want at all. Well, 0:08:09.840 --> 0:08:12.000 I think the issue here is not that it's Apple 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.560 saying you can't use these things you feel nostalgic about. 0:08:14.600 --> 0:08:16.960 It's just that they literally weren't built for the president, 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.640 Like you can't use it anymore. If you ever bought word, 0:08:19.720 --> 0:08:21.560 it should just give you word. It shouldn't be like 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:24.640 you have to buy a whole new office package because 0:08:24.640 --> 0:08:28.000 you updated the software. Yeah, I mean, I think I 0:08:28.000 --> 0:08:30.800 don't even mind having to buy it again. It's the 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:33.320 fact that it's now that they're kind of pushing a 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:36.240 subscription model, which I think they'll continue to push. But 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:38.400 I mean, I also wonder if our reactions to the 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:41.640 problem by just being very blase until we can't use 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.080 the programs that we want to use, has to do 0:08:44.120 --> 0:08:46.120 with the fact that we saw what happened with Y 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:49.719 two K, and also that you know, there was no 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.960 way that we could prepare for what would happen with 0:08:53.040 --> 0:08:54.720 Y two K. It's all in the hands of people 0:08:54.760 --> 0:08:57.439 who can write us emails like we received. You were 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:00.280 so smart. Also, it just made me think our listners 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:03.200 are so cool and smart. So listeners are so cool 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:07.480 and smart. UM one y two K. Thing I wanted 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:10.000 to mention because it's the end of why two came month, 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:11.760 and I can't believe I didn't mention it all month 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:15.560 is that my elementary school was called Lawrence two thousand 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:22.760 because it was the School of the Future in UM 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.160 and it was very sort of like fifties space age, 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:28.679 and they changed the name in the year two thousand. 0:09:28.679 --> 0:09:30.400 Now it's called the Lawrence School and it's like a 0:09:30.440 --> 0:09:34.240 fancy school. But when it was Lawrence two thousand, we 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:37.319 did like a time capsule, I believe for the year 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:41.840 two thousand in I think that was uncovered in two thousand. 0:09:42.480 --> 0:09:46.040 What was in it probably just like some drawings from 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:51.920 some kids such as I. But I remember thinking that 0:09:51.960 --> 0:09:54.360 the obsession with the year two thousand was like a 0:09:54.520 --> 0:09:59.040 very mid century type of thing, you know, like when 0:09:59.080 --> 0:10:02.280 I think of the fifth use space age, that's what 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:05.079 I think of, is like, that's the year two thousand, 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.480 that's the future. Is the year two thousand? Now that 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.559 we're in the real horrible future. Well, we'll be talking 0:10:11.760 --> 0:10:13.520 a little more about White two K at the end 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:16.040 of the show to wrap up White two May. Before that, 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:28.040 we're going to take a quick break. We'll be back soon. Um, 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:34.079 Welcome back to Nightcallum. Hey, guys, I got COVID tested. Wow, 0:10:34.080 --> 0:10:37.600 how was it? It was so easy? I mean again, 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.640 I just keep thinking about that William Gibson quote over 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:42.720 and over and over again, because it's just like the 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.480 future is here, it's just not evenly distributed. It's just 0:10:45.520 --> 0:10:48.080 like I know that there are so many places in 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:50.000 the country where it's not this easy. So I don't 0:10:50.040 --> 0:10:54.079 want to like sound like I'm gloating about it, but seriously, like, 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:55.840 and I tried a few weeks ago to get a 0:10:55.840 --> 0:10:57.920 test and it was all backed up in the line 0:10:58.000 --> 0:11:01.600 was it didn't seem possible. But I made a reservation 0:11:01.720 --> 0:11:04.280 for the next day. I drove over to the Dodger Stadium. 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:06.440 Person in a haz matt suit gave me as a 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.920 black bag basically hawked up alogie and swabbed it out 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:11.520 of my mouth and put it in a test tube 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:14.120 and then gave it to another person that has met suit, 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:16.640 like through a one inch crack in my window. And 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:18.280 I don't know. I guess I'll find out if I 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:22.080 have COVID in five days. But I was truly impressed. 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:25.600 To be clear, this was the active infection test, not 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.200 the antibody test. The antibody test, yeah, this is the 0:11:28.400 --> 0:11:32.199 active infection. Yeah. I signed up to get tested last week, 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:34.800 and then right before I went in it was for 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:38.200 my whole family. Um, I saw that those tests that 0:11:38.240 --> 0:11:40.200 are not the nasal tests but that are the cough 0:11:40.280 --> 0:11:45.240 swabs are only seventy accurate. And then I was like, oh, okay, 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:48.079 well should I not do it? But we're being You're 0:11:48.160 --> 0:11:50.120 not like taking a test away from someone else. We're 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:52.839 all being urged in Los Angeles County, or at least 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:54.680 in the city of Los Angeles. I know it differs 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.920 to get tested to see how many people are asymptomatic carriers. 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:01.079 And I actually know someone UM who has no one 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.360 and her family has had any symptoms. They all got 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.560 tested and with the cough test, and her husband tested 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:09.960 positive but has no symptoms. So it's great to get 0:12:09.960 --> 0:12:13.240 tested if you and just like you know, submit your 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:16.240 data to the pool, just so we can help understand 0:12:16.320 --> 0:12:18.800 and help people understand what this thing is like. Although 0:12:19.000 --> 0:12:21.880 I read something yesterday that was about how they're sucking 0:12:22.000 --> 0:12:25.840 up all the data nationally because they're combining the active 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:30.200 infection tests and the antibody tests, and it's making it 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:33.600 seem like less people have it than actually do so 0:12:33.640 --> 0:12:37.040 that they can push to reopen. Essentially, it's like a 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:40.040 big funk up. It's almost impossible or I don't know, 0:12:40.080 --> 0:12:42.600 I haven't looked too deeply, but UM, some friends I 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:44.880 have who are trying to figure out if it's safe 0:12:44.880 --> 0:12:47.480 to reopen their preschool at some point, I have been 0:12:47.480 --> 0:12:49.679 trying to find out if they can get antibody tested, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:53.600 and apparently it's very difficult to you know, find it's 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:56.000 it's so much easier to see if you are actively 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:58.280 infected with the virus than to be able to be 0:12:58.280 --> 0:13:01.880 antibody tested. UM, which seems odd. It seems like that 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.520 should have been a coordinated effort. Yeah, it's it's really 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.440 like I wish that anybody tests were like more where 0:13:09.440 --> 0:13:11.280 they needed to be right now, because that just feels 0:13:11.360 --> 0:13:15.360 like it would be so helpful. But just until recently, though, 0:13:15.520 --> 0:13:18.240 we didn't. We weren't sure if people could be reinfected. 0:13:18.280 --> 0:13:20.040 I mean, we still aren't sure, but I think the 0:13:20.080 --> 0:13:23.520 most recent um, you know, article that I read said 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:25.960 that it seems like maybe you can't get reinfected. But 0:13:26.040 --> 0:13:28.760 before that, you know, I thought that that was not 0:13:28.800 --> 0:13:32.400 the case. It's as I've seen both. I think that's 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:35.520 the thing too, is it's like the story is still unfolding, 0:13:36.440 --> 0:13:42.800 so the data is slightly ahead of the information. It's like, 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:44.760 we know some stuff is going on, but like, what 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:48.679 does this tell us is it safe? Maybe we won't 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:51.160 find out until people try to reopen things and it 0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:58.640 goes badly. Yeah. I love making that noise on a podcast. Sorry, 0:13:58.679 --> 0:14:04.400 but that's the noise of twenty twenty. Yeah. Officially, speaking 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:09.720 of quarantining and and COVID, there's an article in New 0:14:09.800 --> 0:14:16.320 York Times UM about a certain certain phenomenon happening among 0:14:16.360 --> 0:14:19.880 TikTok houses in Los Angeles where all the TikTok kids 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:24.040 are quarantining together and doing TikTok quarantine content. I guess 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.360 can you tell I'm not on TikTok um? But I 0:14:28.440 --> 0:14:31.000 just this is of interest to me because I now 0:14:31.120 --> 0:14:34.600 live in a neighborhood where, um, basically the street that 0:14:34.640 --> 0:14:36.920 I live on is like the emptying out street for 0:14:36.960 --> 0:14:38.920 where a lot of these houses are, so I get 0:14:38.960 --> 0:14:42.320 all of their like lambo's like speeding by at all 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:45.320 hours of the day and um, and if you walk 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.840 up towards like Hollywood, some of those houses are up there. Um, 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.360 these hype houses or whatever I mean, they all have 0:14:51.440 --> 0:14:56.120 different names cloud houses, um and uh. I I just 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.320 it's been it's been an object of fascination for me 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.680 since moving and since being in lockdown, because at first 0:15:01.760 --> 0:15:03.800 I was like, oh, I know what this is. When 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:05.280 I was passing by it, I was like, this is 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:08.720 very obviously a place where like influencers are staying, you know, 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.240 and semi temporary ways to like grow their careers in 0:15:11.360 --> 0:15:13.320 l A. I've read about this. But then they all 0:15:13.320 --> 0:15:15.360 seemed empty and I was like, oh, they all went 0:15:15.440 --> 0:15:19.600 home to like North Carolina or wherever. They're from like 0:15:20.040 --> 0:15:24.080 for COVID, but now they're filling back up again. Uh 0:15:24.120 --> 0:15:26.760 and now it's like the thing to to to be 0:15:26.880 --> 0:15:31.000 quarantining with like twenty other TikTok ers and everybody drives 0:15:31.040 --> 0:15:35.040 like Bentley's or whatever. Um so your this is your 0:15:35.040 --> 0:15:38.560 pitch for the night call cloudhouse. So what you're saying, No, 0:15:39.000 --> 0:15:42.720 can you imagine how like unsanitary one of those places are? 0:15:42.760 --> 0:15:46.080 They all just look like frats. Well that's what happens 0:15:46.080 --> 0:15:49.400 when super young people have a lot of money. Yeah, 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:52.960 you know, yeah they are like frat houses. Having interviewed 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.600 some like rappers, I feel like it's like, but it's 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.360 just seems fun because they're nineteen. They don't care if 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:01.200 they're like, yes, they're never going to die. They drive 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:03.400 around and they like huff nitrous and like get into 0:16:03.440 --> 0:16:06.360 car accidents. So that's also happening. And that's the funny 0:16:06.360 --> 0:16:11.080 thing is that like I'm on next door now, I'm 0:16:11.120 --> 0:16:13.880 I'm showing my age. That's always the thing I find 0:16:13.960 --> 0:16:16.720 very funny is like for how much people are like 0:16:17.280 --> 0:16:21.400 freaked out about non white people walking around the neighborhood 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:24.880 or homeless people under underpasses. You've got these people up 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:28.560 here that are way more annoying right now. And um, 0:16:28.600 --> 0:16:31.920 they complain about them too. They call them the horror houses. 0:16:32.200 --> 0:16:36.520 On the horror houses. Guys, your next door is so 0:16:36.600 --> 0:16:40.520 much better than my next door is almost entirely lost 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:42.920 or found pets, which is why I'm still on it. 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.120 I mean, Emily, you don't want to be like the 0:16:46.160 --> 0:16:51.000 dean in the college movie who's like, oh, I'm just lurking. 0:16:51.120 --> 0:16:54.800 I have those damned kids. I'm gonna I will say that, 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:59.120 will prank on them, that'll go viral. Oh, I don't 0:16:59.120 --> 0:17:01.200 know if you can hear it. Another one just screamed 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:05.120 by outside. I mean, uh, this is a big divide 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.520 in nightcall culture that I may be the only one 0:17:07.560 --> 0:17:10.040 on this side of. But I'm really into all the 0:17:10.080 --> 0:17:14.679 COVID street racing. Yeah, no, I'm not at all. I'm sorry. 0:17:14.800 --> 0:17:16.800 I've been in too many car accidents, Molly. I don't 0:17:16.840 --> 0:17:21.040 think it's cool, not necessarily the people speeding down canyons, 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:22.520 but I feel like those people do that all the 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:27.120 time anyway, more than like people taking over deserted streets 0:17:27.119 --> 0:17:29.879 and stuff to do fast and the furious stuff. I 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:33.960 personally don't understand it when people are talking about like, oh, 0:17:34.000 --> 0:17:36.800 I can go so fast they almost feel as boulevard 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:39.800 or whatever because nobody's on it. I'm like it, don't 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.080 you want to be in your car as long as possible? 0:17:42.160 --> 0:17:45.000 Like I have slowed way down when I'm driving. I'm 0:17:45.040 --> 0:17:46.960 just like, let's take it, like I'm gonna take a 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:48.920 lot of the longest route I can to get back 0:17:48.960 --> 0:17:51.879 home because being home is so boring. And it always 0:17:51.880 --> 0:17:55.440 happens during holidays. It's like when the city clears out, 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.440 it just turns into a little bit of grand theft 0:17:58.480 --> 0:18:04.000 auto And I find that beautiful. But I understand I 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:08.040 do enjoy it as an idea. I cannot enjoy it 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:11.240 as a human being. I know someone who was hit 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:15.080 on Los Filas Boulevard by a speeding car and she 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:17.800 she is still like recouper. It's it's that it's a 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.159 very very dangerous uh stream about the middle of the night. 0:18:21.200 --> 0:18:24.280 Street racing middle of the night on Los Filas Boulevard 0:18:24.359 --> 0:18:26.359 is where accidents off. And how you are you're talking 0:18:26.400 --> 0:18:30.080 about like deep in the desert in the remote you know, 0:18:30.160 --> 0:18:33.520 outer ridge of Los Angeles. But it's like people are 0:18:33.560 --> 0:18:35.880 shutting down streets and stuff. I've read about it happening 0:18:35.920 --> 0:18:40.040 all over the country. Um, there's also some dickhead people 0:18:40.040 --> 0:18:42.840 that are doing it, but in a way that's really funny. Um. 0:18:43.000 --> 0:18:45.360 Robert Evans from Mind the Bastards is talking about it. 0:18:45.720 --> 0:18:47.840 There are these super rich people who set up like 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:51.080 a gumball rally where they're driving across the entire United 0:18:51.119 --> 0:18:55.840 States in some absurdly short amount of time, and they 0:18:55.880 --> 0:18:58.800 have all these flag points and things. It's like very 0:18:58.880 --> 0:19:01.200 complicated in a huge t waste of money. It seems 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:04.040 like the movie rat Race wheat. But aren't they also 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:08.080 going around from town to town like potentially spreading coronavirus 0:19:08.080 --> 0:19:11.080 as they because they're never getting out of their car ever, 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:15.480 you know, if they're soiling themselves like what they do 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:19.280 you very in the sky. They probably have diapers and like, 0:19:20.160 --> 0:19:24.720 you know, trucker stuff. I'm kind of boggled that you're like, 0:19:24.760 --> 0:19:28.000 I'm into that because I'm like, what are the only 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:33.240 like interesting new things happening. I mean, I's obviously dangerous. 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:35.640 Don't try it at home. There are lots of interesting 0:19:35.760 --> 0:19:40.800 things that I would say are not good good. It's 0:19:40.840 --> 0:19:46.240 like a ven diagree, guys, don't you like Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:49.480 I And I think the whole point is those are 0:19:49.520 --> 0:19:54.400 deserted highways, you know what I mean, Like I think 0:19:55.240 --> 0:19:57.680 I think that's it's not supposed to be, Like I'm 0:19:57.720 --> 0:20:01.720 gonna go to Santa Monica and just speed. You know 0:20:03.040 --> 0:20:08.440 that's my I just call me Grandma killer seed. Um. 0:20:09.160 --> 0:20:11.760 I when one other thing I just wanted to bring 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.040 up about the TikTok house thing because this feeds into 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:17.679 your interest with Kylie Jenner Molly and her house, is 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:20.320 that one of the houses in my neighborhood. And I 0:20:20.359 --> 0:20:24.120 found this out from next door um because people were complaining. 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.080 They're like, some people thought it was a hotel. They 0:20:26.119 --> 0:20:28.199 didn't know that this it was this TikTok house. And 0:20:28.200 --> 0:20:30.040 then then some people cleared it up for them, but 0:20:30.040 --> 0:20:33.200 they're like, there's one of these houses is empty right now, 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:36.280 like nobody's it's it's ready to be like moved into. 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:40.239 But obviously the real estate market has slowed down, so 0:20:40.280 --> 0:20:44.040 whoever owns it has been throwing parties for for influencers 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.800 at this big like horror house in the hills, um 0:20:48.040 --> 0:20:51.800 to to advertise it on social media, which is just 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:54.920 like and I guess people are going like enough people 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:57.600 are going that it's like blocking traffic and stuff. So 0:20:57.800 --> 0:21:01.160 it sounds like a great found footage horror movie. So 0:21:02.560 --> 0:21:04.760 you could film it from really far away. You could 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:09.520 just get out there, long lens, long lens it from 0:21:09.560 --> 0:21:13.280 across the street, love with one of them through the window. 0:21:13.680 --> 0:21:17.160 It just I I would be stalking these people. Yeah, 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:20.080 I was just I was pretty shocked. I mean, nothing 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:22.520 can truly shock me when it comes to like influencers 0:21:22.520 --> 0:21:25.520 in the real estate market. But I wouldn't crash this 0:21:25.560 --> 0:21:28.600 party right now, obviously because there's a pandemic. But I 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:30.920 would absolutely like crash one of these parties and have 0:21:31.040 --> 0:21:35.560 them be like, who's this weird woman there. You'd be 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:37.920 like FSA back in the day, like at the Big 0:21:38.040 --> 0:21:42.400 She would just like crash parties. Apparently crash parties. Well, 0:21:42.400 --> 0:21:44.040 it's just like if a party is down the street 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:47.080 from you, you can crash it. Those are the rules. 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:51.280 That's the rule. So one other quick piece of news 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:56.159 about Quarantine Times is that there's possibly a parallel universe. 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.600 I guess this is good news. Um, good news for 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:06.760 is very It's very twenty that when these so nanoparticles 0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:11.959 were discovered by the Anita experiment. Uh again, this this 0:22:12.040 --> 0:22:14.760 whole this whole episode of our podcast is us trying 0:22:14.800 --> 0:22:17.680 to talk about things that are like quantum physics or 0:22:17.840 --> 0:22:22.040 like how computers work. However, um, for a while there, 0:22:22.240 --> 0:22:25.320 everyone on Twitter was kind of fantasizing because of evidence 0:22:25.359 --> 0:22:29.399 that there might be a parallel dimension that they everyone 0:22:29.440 --> 0:22:33.200 started kind of theorizing and running with the idea that 0:22:33.560 --> 0:22:36.800 time runs backwards and up is down and left is 0:22:36.880 --> 0:22:40.240 right in the parallel dimension. And it's I just took 0:22:40.280 --> 0:22:43.840 it as everyone so badly wants to rewind that we're like, 0:22:44.000 --> 0:22:46.320 we're willing to think that there's a place where like 0:22:46.400 --> 0:22:49.560 we could just go back. Well, it's so in tune 0:22:49.600 --> 0:22:52.760 with with y to May. I was just excited about 0:22:53.000 --> 0:22:56.200 the free advertising they were doing for our y two 0:22:56.280 --> 0:23:00.359 K theory, Right, I know, Wait, which y two K theory? 0:23:00.800 --> 0:23:06.280 The split timelines, Ben Lambert, Yeah, that the parallel universe 0:23:06.320 --> 0:23:09.199 began in y two K, and that's where everything has 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:12.800 been running smoothly more or less compared to here, where 0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:16.160 everything has gotten so stupid that you can't even really 0:23:16.200 --> 0:23:19.040 predict how much more stupid it will get each week. 0:23:19.280 --> 0:23:22.680 Because it's like the quantum physics, it's like my mind 0:23:22.760 --> 0:23:28.560 just can't get there yet. You know, I don't know. Um, 0:23:28.720 --> 0:23:31.600 I know, I read something from c ne net um. 0:23:31.800 --> 0:23:34.600 So the first the first I read of the parallel 0:23:34.680 --> 0:23:38.360 universe was in thrill lists and uh, but then sat yesterday, 0:23:38.400 --> 0:23:41.399 I believe, so, you know, Thursday of last week, if 0:23:41.400 --> 0:23:43.639 you're listening to this on Monday, had kind of a 0:23:43.680 --> 0:23:46.639 partial debunking of it. Um. I'm quoting from the article. 0:23:47.000 --> 0:23:49.560 There's a really interesting science story here, but it's not 0:23:49.600 --> 0:23:52.360 the one you're being sold. The Anita experiment is mind 0:23:52.359 --> 0:23:55.000 boggling in its own right. It looks for ghostly particles 0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:57.960 that pass through most matter. It is definitely detected something 0:23:58.080 --> 0:24:01.119 unusual and unexpected. There are plenty of competing theories that 0:24:01.160 --> 0:24:03.720 aren't explored in the quick news hits, like the idea 0:24:03.760 --> 0:24:06.239 that Antarctic ice may itself be giving rise to these 0:24:06.280 --> 0:24:09.520 anomalous events. Um. And then later the author of that 0:24:09.720 --> 0:24:12.920 article says that you know, if you remember the Sagan standard, 0:24:12.960 --> 0:24:17.199 which is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Uh, we do 0:24:17.280 --> 0:24:19.760 not have the extraordinary evidence to prove that this is 0:24:19.800 --> 0:24:23.680 evidence of a parallel dimension. Unfortunately, this is basically a 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:27.120 theory that has existed for a long time. At this point, 0:24:27.359 --> 0:24:30.280 the findings were two years old at least. Right Like 0:24:30.320 --> 0:24:33.320 other fun theories, it's fun to think about, but there 0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:36.240 isn't so much of a smoking gun to prove there's 0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:39.400 a parallel universe. Also, it's just like it's not news, 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:42.280 Like it's something that somebody dug up to be, like, 0:24:42.400 --> 0:24:45.200 let's make let's let's package this is a news story 0:24:45.200 --> 0:24:47.200 to get hits because this is the story everybody wants 0:24:47.320 --> 0:24:50.760 right now. And I saw the guy who UM popularized 0:24:50.840 --> 0:24:54.600 chaos theory just passed away recently, the guy who Jeff 0:24:54.600 --> 0:24:58.320 Goldblum's character in Drassic Park is based on. People love 0:24:58.440 --> 0:25:02.200 we love a theory we love of UM the thing 0:25:02.280 --> 0:25:06.600 that explains everything in a universal way. That would be great. 0:25:06.720 --> 0:25:09.840 I would love that if they're parallel universes. Well, speaking 0:25:09.880 --> 0:25:14.399 of theories during hard times, Uh, there's this box piece 0:25:14.480 --> 0:25:18.680 that UM you guys linked to about kind of why 0:25:18.920 --> 0:25:22.639 the general anxiety of coronavirus times is leading to a 0:25:22.680 --> 0:25:28.240 lot more conspiratorial thinking, perhaps more than than usual. Even um, 0:25:29.400 --> 0:25:34.000 I feel like I've seen that. But I also feel like, 0:25:34.080 --> 0:25:36.200 and I was talking about this with Molly last night, 0:25:36.240 --> 0:25:38.720 like I feel like it's also just making it's bringing 0:25:38.720 --> 0:25:42.360 out the inner cop and everybody like there's the conspiracy 0:25:42.400 --> 0:25:45.000 theory have like so it's like, are you a detective 0:25:45.080 --> 0:25:49.840 or are you a cop? Yeah? Police, right right right? 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:54.320 Because people are too online because there's nothing else to do. Um, 0:25:54.560 --> 0:25:57.760 and that is the thing, Like the Reddit detective thing 0:25:57.840 --> 0:26:02.280 got so big and out. There's totally like Reddit cops 0:26:02.320 --> 0:26:07.600 and like little Twitter cops everywhere. And I was just like, 0:26:08.119 --> 0:26:10.040 especially the past few days, I was just like, what 0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:12.880 is up with like the day of the Locust energy 0:26:13.040 --> 0:26:17.359 on Twitter? It's been out of control recently for people 0:26:17.359 --> 0:26:19.720 who don't know what we're talking about, either because they're 0:26:19.760 --> 0:26:22.160 not on Twitter or because time is moving at such 0:26:22.200 --> 0:26:24.639 warp speed that they have missed this. I think you 0:26:24.640 --> 0:26:27.359 guys are talking about both the Alison Roman controversy and 0:26:27.400 --> 0:26:30.960 the Lawna del Rey thing. Yeah, a bunch of other things, 0:26:31.200 --> 0:26:34.680 a bunch of stuff, a lot of like as particularly, 0:26:34.920 --> 0:26:36.679 and I think that Molly was ready to point this 0:26:36.720 --> 0:26:40.160 out on Twitter, particularly stuff that people who are now 0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.520 out of a job because they used to be journalists 0:26:42.560 --> 0:26:45.199 are aware of, like media gossip and that kind of 0:26:45.280 --> 0:26:49.520 which the Allison Roman story is obviously a prime example 0:26:49.520 --> 0:26:53.120 of that. Then went from media gossip to like actual 0:26:53.280 --> 0:26:56.160 mainstream tabloids. I was like, whoa, I mean, I guess 0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.679 the connection to Chrissy Teagan. But it's also just like 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:02.320 people are so starved for like stories that aren't about coronavirus. 0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:08.040 These stories get really saturated everywhere on Twitter. Uh, and 0:27:08.080 --> 0:27:13.200 then I guess do become like newspaper news now, but 0:27:13.240 --> 0:27:16.119 there's still I think Emily was saying, it's like people, 0:27:16.200 --> 0:27:18.760 it's the same reason people would go to conspiracies. It's 0:27:18.800 --> 0:27:21.919 like people feel so much of a loss of control 0:27:22.160 --> 0:27:26.720 that they're like, what can I control? And what can 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:31.159 I like say is the unequivocal truth right now, to 0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:33.479 which I think has been something that's been going a 0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:37.320 lot on a lot more. Yeah, and like even pre 0:27:37.520 --> 0:27:41.880 pre COVID, just like like being able to say, like, 0:27:42.280 --> 0:27:45.679 for example, this person is canceled. It's always like so 0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:47.960 you can like bring down the gavel really hard on 0:27:47.960 --> 0:27:49.800 one thing, because there's so many things you can't bring 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:52.000 the gavel down. I came up with something really dumb 0:27:52.280 --> 0:27:54.720 on Kate Rap show, Hot and Rich the other day, 0:27:54.840 --> 0:27:56.879 which is I was like, there isn't really canceled culture, 0:27:56.920 --> 0:28:00.560 but it's just like can sell culture. Like if you 0:28:00.600 --> 0:28:04.960 can sell stuff, you're never canceled, you know. Like, but 0:28:05.040 --> 0:28:07.199 isn't that the whole point of being canceled is that 0:28:07.240 --> 0:28:10.040 you cannot sell. But it doesn't matter if you come 0:28:10.040 --> 0:28:12.840 out with the product people want, it gets undone. Remember 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:16.240 when R Kelly got canceled the first time for very 0:28:16.240 --> 0:28:18.680 good reason. I mean, he should obviously actually be canceled, 0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.320 But when he got canceled, then he came out with 0:28:21.320 --> 0:28:22.960 the remix to Ignition, and there was just like a 0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.639 just people just forgot or just a lot of people 0:28:26.760 --> 0:28:30.800 didn't know. They really did not believe that R Kelly 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.760 did it, like initially in the sketch about it on 0:28:33.840 --> 0:28:37.240 Chappelle's show. I feel like every everybody wants just like 0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:39.560 this is a good song, let's not talk about it 0:28:39.600 --> 0:28:43.280 for another ten years. Um. Yeah. I just feel like 0:28:43.320 --> 0:28:46.240 for some people to getting canceled like just helps their brand, 0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:48.720 because some there like the bad boy of whatever the 0:28:48.760 --> 0:28:53.320 fuck you know. Um. I was looking at the podcast 0:28:53.400 --> 0:28:56.480 top charts last night because I'm insane, and I it 0:28:56.560 --> 0:29:01.440 was like entirely Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro and and 0:29:01.480 --> 0:29:03.560 then like a little bit of like news, and I 0:29:03.600 --> 0:29:06.320 was like this is horrifying, like this, this is what 0:29:06.360 --> 0:29:10.720 people want. It's just like things that I think are 0:29:10.800 --> 0:29:13.760 just very bad. But I feel like it works totally 0:29:13.800 --> 0:29:19.880 differently for um, say, like female artists versus like male 0:29:20.400 --> 0:29:24.320 commentators or whatever. Joe Rogan would describe himself as being 0:29:24.360 --> 0:29:29.720 pundit um like I don't know, try guy, try guy, 0:29:29.760 --> 0:29:33.640 Like uh, like the dojak had has been canceled for 0:29:33.640 --> 0:29:36.719 the second time now as of this recording, which is 0:29:36.760 --> 0:29:39.360 just like and it's like a more minor version of 0:29:39.360 --> 0:29:41.920 that where it's just like right, well, it's also like 0:29:42.080 --> 0:29:45.120 I think when people here's what I mean. I think, like, 0:29:45.440 --> 0:29:47.880 here's my hot take on the Laana thing is like 0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:50.800 I think that it's it does go to like a 0:29:50.960 --> 0:29:56.400 universal thing about structural inequalities and like you could connect 0:29:56.400 --> 0:29:59.440 it to this larger thing about like, let me just 0:29:59.480 --> 0:30:03.320 say this about Lana del Rey. And everybody probably knows 0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:05.600 that I've never really been that into Laana del Ray, 0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:09.040 but she it was clearly to me, it just seemed 0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:11.560 like a troll, like she was she has some things 0:30:11.600 --> 0:30:14.880 to sell. She knew that she she saw what happened 0:30:14.880 --> 0:30:18.840 with Alice and Roman. She very you know, she wanted publicity. 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.520 She knew that the people who like her will see, 0:30:21.640 --> 0:30:24.080 you know, I don't think she's I think she's smart, 0:30:24.120 --> 0:30:25.880 but I don't think she's smart in that way. I 0:30:25.880 --> 0:30:27.800 think she's actually kind of dumb in that. And I 0:30:27.840 --> 0:30:31.120 see that. I actually see those conspiracy theories pop up 0:30:31.160 --> 0:30:33.640 a lot where people are like, this is a publicity 0:30:33.720 --> 0:30:37.480 strategy where they're trying to get canceled for like publicity 0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.200 or whatever, um, And I don't think anyone's ever actually 0:30:41.240 --> 0:30:44.680 done that. I think that's like a big foot of things. 0:30:45.080 --> 0:30:47.000 I don't know, guys, I just feel like it was 0:30:47.120 --> 0:30:49.840 so it was so I mean when she said like 0:30:49.960 --> 0:30:53.240 I'm just a glamorous person, and like when you know, 0:30:53.720 --> 0:30:56.000 even her follow up where she was like I'm just 0:30:56.040 --> 0:30:59.239 saying like women who were very beautiful and delicate, I 0:30:59.280 --> 0:31:03.120 was like, you're just you cannot possibly be earnest about 0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.440 what you're saying, like you had they had to be 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:09.280 in a really like misfired or even what. Maybe that 0:31:09.360 --> 0:31:10.960 was the goal. I'm not sure. I thought it was 0:31:11.040 --> 0:31:14.719 like super offensive and dumb, But as someone who's not 0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.400 a huge fan of Laana Delry, I was just like, oh, 0:31:17.440 --> 0:31:19.760 it just seems as though she's trying to grab attention 0:31:19.800 --> 0:31:22.760 anyway she can. The thing is, I will go on 0:31:22.800 --> 0:31:25.480 the record as saying I love everything she said. If 0:31:25.480 --> 0:31:27.880 she took out other people's name, she didn't need to, 0:31:28.200 --> 0:31:30.880 like I I am, I am there for a late 0:31:31.040 --> 0:31:34.320 night Laanna drop of just I've been thinking about this. 0:31:34.320 --> 0:31:36.920 This is why people have misunderstand me. I mean, like, 0:31:36.960 --> 0:31:38.880 that's what you want out of an artist. I feel 0:31:38.880 --> 0:31:41.800 like as somebody who's just like you, guys don't understand, 0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.080 Like I don't think you need to bring up other 0:31:44.160 --> 0:31:46.960 artists in that conversation. I think she drew attention to 0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:49.880 something not necessarily on purpose. I think she was just 0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.360 comparing herself to those artists and being because popular to 0:31:53.400 --> 0:31:57.680 be three dimensional and like you know, portraylor sexuality on 0:31:57.720 --> 0:31:59.880 their own terms and like I'm one of these women. 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:02.520 But you don't think that the way that she contrasted 0:32:02.800 --> 0:32:06.400 like mostly women of color and kind of like acting 0:32:06.440 --> 0:32:10.440 as if they were not somehow like you know, in 0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:13.480 control of the message that they were sending, whereas she 0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.680 she was, Oh, she's like beautiful and feminine and delicate 0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:19.240 when she does it. Here's where I think, like, I 0:32:19.280 --> 0:32:22.760 think she always just steps into like uh, psychologic the 0:32:22.760 --> 0:32:26.840 American psyche hornet nests that exists everywhere. So like, I 0:32:26.840 --> 0:32:30.479 don't think that's what she meant. I'm giving her a 0:32:30.480 --> 0:32:33.400 benefit of a doubt here obviously, um, but I do 0:32:33.520 --> 0:32:37.720 think that she inadvertently drew attention to something that's extremely true, 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:41.400 which is that like, because of racism, like white women 0:32:41.440 --> 0:32:44.480 are always viewed as like more fragile and delicate and 0:32:44.560 --> 0:32:49.320 breakable and like and have more nuanced to that experience, 0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:54.360 and like that is because people overstate the sort of 0:32:54.400 --> 0:32:57.280 like the you know, the strength and maturity of black 0:32:57.280 --> 0:33:00.480 women from a very young age and the sexuality. That's 0:33:00.520 --> 0:33:03.560 just a structural racism issue to me. That again, I 0:33:03.560 --> 0:33:05.320 don't think that's what she was saying, but I do 0:33:05.440 --> 0:33:09.240 think I was like thinking about it a lot afterwards. No, Yeah, 0:33:09.280 --> 0:33:12.360 I mean I think if most women, who like non 0:33:12.400 --> 0:33:15.560 white women were singing about being in abusive relationships and 0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:17.960 being helpless, it would be yes, it would be treated 0:33:18.040 --> 0:33:20.200 very differently by christ Well. I was like trying to 0:33:20.240 --> 0:33:22.560 think of, like what's the closest, who's the you know, 0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:25.280 who's an artist who's like a black woman who's like 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.640 like Lona del Rey and like fka Twigs is the 0:33:27.640 --> 0:33:30.959 person I came up with where I was like, you know, 0:33:31.200 --> 0:33:34.800 and I love her obviously, but you know, I kept 0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:38.480 thinking about how like Beyonce, like people they're like age 0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:42.480 truthers about Beyonce because nobody believed she could be like 0:33:42.600 --> 0:33:45.600 so mature. Like even when Beyonce was seventeen, she did 0:33:45.640 --> 0:33:48.760 not get treated like a lowlita. She got treated like 0:33:49.280 --> 0:33:51.480 an adult sort of. So that was the thing too, 0:33:51.520 --> 0:33:55.280 is I was just like the you know, like I 0:33:55.320 --> 0:33:57.800 don't I couldn't think of like an artist who is 0:33:57.840 --> 0:34:00.120 like a like a black musician who got you to 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:01.840 like a lolita. The only one I could really think 0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:04.440 of was like Aaliyah. And even then the whole thing 0:34:04.480 --> 0:34:06.920 was like that. It was like she's mature beyond her 0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:11.239 her age. So I think again, it's like she was 0:34:11.760 --> 0:34:17.560 she brought attention to something about racism and femininity that 0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:21.200 I don't think was her intention to bring up that conversation. 0:34:21.239 --> 0:34:23.800 But I'm also like we should have that, and nobody's 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:28.680 having that conversation also now, like everybody's having the dumbest conversation. 0:34:29.040 --> 0:34:30.799 I was, well, that was the thing too. I was like, 0:34:30.840 --> 0:34:32.959 that's the way in which I'm like when we get 0:34:32.960 --> 0:34:37.040 into these conversations about like with Alison Roman too, about 0:34:37.120 --> 0:34:40.480 just like cultural appropriation and food and like the global 0:34:40.520 --> 0:34:43.080 pantry and like who gets to be the face of things, 0:34:43.880 --> 0:34:46.160 you know, And then last night, like the Ariana Grande 0:34:46.400 --> 0:34:49.680 and uh Lady Gaga song came out and I was like, 0:34:50.120 --> 0:34:53.319 I'm too tired to deal with thinking about like how 0:34:53.400 --> 0:34:56.480 this is like them, you know, like Madonna, like a 0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.600 white Italian woman appropriating house music, and then they're like 0:34:59.680 --> 0:35:04.000 just appropriating from Madonna, you know, like they're just doing 0:35:04.120 --> 0:35:07.000 like if the music was appropriated like so long ago. 0:35:09.080 --> 0:35:10.440 It just broke my brain and I was just like 0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:11.759 I just want to listen to the song and not 0:35:11.840 --> 0:35:13.839 think about this right now. And I think that's how 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:18.160 most people feel. There's a limitation to an appropriation conversation, 0:35:18.160 --> 0:35:19.880 which is not to say that you can't have an 0:35:19.880 --> 0:35:22.239 appropriation conversation. You just have to know that that's not 0:35:22.400 --> 0:35:25.000 that you can't explain everything with I think there's also 0:35:25.280 --> 0:35:28.759 things that fall in between that are fusion genuinely, you know, 0:35:29.880 --> 0:35:31.720 like especially there's a lot of that in Los Angeles 0:35:31.760 --> 0:35:37.279 because there's so much um. I think the intention does 0:35:37.360 --> 0:35:41.640 matter and who's doing it does matter very much. Um, 0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:43.800 but I'm also like I don't know, like maybe like 0:35:44.040 --> 0:35:47.439 law No will talk to some people about this. Yeah, 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:49.520 but there's some stuff. This goes back to what I'm 0:35:49.520 --> 0:35:51.680 saying about everybody being a cop is that when you 0:35:52.200 --> 0:35:55.640 when you bring a concept like cultural appropriation into the 0:35:55.680 --> 0:36:00.120 mainstream and now like young people who are consumers of 0:36:00.160 --> 0:36:03.080 pop music know about what that is in a very 0:36:03.160 --> 0:36:05.400 kind of one oh one way and can use it 0:36:05.440 --> 0:36:08.840 and and be conversant in it, then it very quickly 0:36:08.880 --> 0:36:11.200 can just become out well as this appropriation or not 0:36:11.600 --> 0:36:14.000 as opposed to like this is a dynamic that can 0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:16.799 be going on in this work. Intention matters, All of 0:36:16.840 --> 0:36:21.120 that matters, Like this isn't politics, this isn't law I 0:36:21.160 --> 0:36:23.080 think this is in two is It's like just like 0:36:23.120 --> 0:36:26.120 I don't want my politicians to be celebrities, Like I 0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:31.240 don't need my celebrities to be politicals, you know, And honestly, 0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:34.560 like I interviewed Laana like a year ago, and I 0:36:34.600 --> 0:36:37.319 was totally nervous about it for so many reasons because 0:36:37.320 --> 0:36:39.400 I was like, you know, what if we don't get along, 0:36:39.400 --> 0:36:41.920 Like what if this makes me feel differently about her? 0:36:42.000 --> 0:36:45.160 Or like, you know, she doesn't like me never meet 0:36:45.200 --> 0:36:48.120 your idols, but really, well it was great actually, and 0:36:48.160 --> 0:36:50.040 I told her to listen to Night Call at the end, 0:36:50.160 --> 0:36:54.719 and she was everything. She gave me a tip on 0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:57.399 a ghost tour that I'll reveal someday. I mean, look, 0:36:57.719 --> 0:37:01.279 I I I really carefully didn't say. I mean, I'm 0:37:01.320 --> 0:37:03.319 not on Twitter that much these days anyway, But I 0:37:03.320 --> 0:37:06.520 think it's it's important to also understand that you can 0:37:06.600 --> 0:37:10.040 have thoughts about what people are saying or doing and 0:37:10.120 --> 0:37:13.680 not necessarily air them. Right now, we're so isolated that 0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.600 it feels like the only way we have a conversation 0:37:17.000 --> 0:37:19.640 is to do it on in public. But I think 0:37:19.719 --> 0:37:21.600 I do think that you guys are being very generous 0:37:21.600 --> 0:37:23.520 to Alana, which I don't think is wrong to do. 0:37:24.040 --> 0:37:27.359 I do think though that you know, I do think 0:37:27.400 --> 0:37:30.600 it's it's not really giving her enough credit as like 0:37:31.160 --> 0:37:34.080 a person who is good at marketing herself to say 0:37:34.080 --> 0:37:37.000 that she wouldn't have done this to get publicity, even 0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:39.879 if it, like, I think it was tremendously misguided if 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.120 that was the case, but it's a possibility. It's not 0:37:42.239 --> 0:37:44.759 it's not like crazy three D Chess, like she she's 0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:47.400 done a good job of marketing herself. There's something to 0:37:47.440 --> 0:37:49.680 me where it's like I prefer for somebody to like 0:37:49.760 --> 0:37:52.480 funk up on their own terms occasionally then to like 0:37:52.719 --> 0:37:58.280 just be perfect everything perfect can always be, always be 0:37:58.360 --> 0:38:01.560 in character and like selling it. Like that's the thing too. 0:38:01.600 --> 0:38:03.000 But like when I did meet Lana, I was like, Oh, 0:38:03.000 --> 0:38:05.480 it's not a persona like that is. This is just 0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:08.960 who she is, Like she is a glamorous person. You 0:38:08.960 --> 0:38:11.560 guys like, yeah, I don't know, though it can get 0:38:11.640 --> 0:38:14.520 for as I mean, I'm a white person who's saying this, 0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:17.040 but I do think that it's still important to say that. 0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:20.040 Like we give people like Lana's Delray and Alison Roman 0:38:20.120 --> 0:38:22.319 like the benefit of the doubt almost all the time, 0:38:22.480 --> 0:38:26.000 Like they benefit from so much good will that sometimes 0:38:26.000 --> 0:38:28.799 when they make a mistake and people jump to defend them, 0:38:28.880 --> 0:38:31.600 you know, I I feel a little bit like uncomfortable 0:38:31.640 --> 0:38:34.240 with that because it just feels like that's what happens 0:38:34.280 --> 0:38:36.759 all the time to me, Like it shouldn't be. You know. 0:38:37.000 --> 0:38:39.879 I also think you can like unfold slowly, And that's 0:38:39.880 --> 0:38:42.160 the thing too, is I think making the verdict, having 0:38:42.160 --> 0:38:44.719 the verdict on any of these controversies like the day 0:38:44.760 --> 0:38:47.600 it happens, which is what happens, and that's the day 0:38:47.600 --> 0:38:50.719 of the locust aspect is like just people swarming online 0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:56.239 to be like schadenfreude of something, you know. Um, but 0:38:57.080 --> 0:39:02.520 it sometimes takes like weeks and then sometimes things that 0:39:02.560 --> 0:39:05.359 are good happen out of these things. I would like 0:39:05.400 --> 0:39:09.600 to think, Um yeah, maybe maybe people get canceled for 0:39:09.640 --> 0:39:13.399 a reason. Also, I think that there's never I mean, 0:39:13.480 --> 0:39:16.480 it's the apology that kind of like manufactured apology, just 0:39:16.520 --> 0:39:17.920 like you guys said, you know, you don't need your 0:39:17.920 --> 0:39:21.239 celebrities dB politicians, like it doesn't need to be that 0:39:21.360 --> 0:39:23.640 like and and it's never right when people do that. 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:25.640 It always feels like it came out of a box 0:39:25.719 --> 0:39:28.600 or something like that. But I mean, I yeah, I 0:39:28.600 --> 0:39:31.360 don't know. I think like white people and white women 0:39:31.480 --> 0:39:35.480 especially can always be like learning about their own ignorance 0:39:35.520 --> 0:39:38.279 and the limitations of what they think is their generous 0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:43.800 you know, inclusivity. And that's something I've been thinking about 0:39:43.840 --> 0:39:47.440 a lot this year anyway, So I think it's something 0:39:48.000 --> 0:39:51.400 that needs to be talked about in the culture. Um. 0:39:51.520 --> 0:39:54.480 I think Lana's mistake is to think it was to 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:57.239 put it in like a post racial context where it's like, 0:39:57.480 --> 0:39:59.919 I am just like all of these black women who 0:40:00.000 --> 0:40:03.520 are great artists, very naive of her, very naive of her. 0:40:03.800 --> 0:40:06.360 But that seems very on brand. That's something more on 0:40:06.440 --> 0:40:09.279 brand to me than like that she was trolling. I 0:40:09.320 --> 0:40:11.239 think she just was like, we're all the same, and 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:13.640 we're all talking about our sexuality and how we're delicate 0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.560 sometimes and strong sometimes. And this is also like a 0:40:16.600 --> 0:40:18.960 privilege of being where she is and being a little 0:40:18.960 --> 0:40:21.000 bit distanced from and not being on Twitter all the 0:40:21.040 --> 0:40:23.400 time all the time. She's like not a very online person, 0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.000 and I don't think that she like is really tuned 0:40:26.000 --> 0:40:28.080 into this at all, and it is this it's a 0:40:28.080 --> 0:40:30.960 big blind spot for her. Yeah, And I think that 0:40:31.000 --> 0:40:34.400 when you know that is a thing that like women questioning, 0:40:34.600 --> 0:40:40.960 like interrogating the dynamics of especially heterosexuality in music is 0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:45.319 gonna sound fucked up a lot of the time. Um, 0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:48.120 And that doesn't mean it's it's you know, glorifying it 0:40:48.239 --> 0:40:50.680 in some way. The other thing I thought about at 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:52.440 the end of the night was that I remember that 0:40:52.520 --> 0:40:57.320 Joni Mitchell did black face the cover of an album, 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:01.880 and like war black face parties a bunch. Apparently in 0:41:01.920 --> 0:41:05.080 a certain time period. Now, Joni mitchell Is has also 0:41:05.160 --> 0:41:07.640 become I mean the things that she says even recently, 0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.880 although that is probably due to you know, not recently, 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:13.120 like since she became very ill, but in the in 0:41:13.160 --> 0:41:17.560 the past decade or whatever, she she says some wild shit. Yeah, 0:41:17.640 --> 0:41:20.520 I was just like man kids today. I don't even 0:41:20.560 --> 0:41:23.680 know about what people didn't get canceled for in the seventies, 0:41:25.120 --> 0:41:29.279 Like everybody was being racist right and left, and they're 0:41:29.280 --> 0:41:33.520 all played on classic rock stations. So hopefully we're just 0:41:33.760 --> 0:41:36.799 we're on a positive trajectory right now. We can only 0:41:36.840 --> 0:41:42.239 go up right right things. We can only make running up, 0:41:42.440 --> 0:41:46.480 running up that, running up, will I will I will um. 0:41:46.560 --> 0:41:49.120 We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back, 0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:53.080 we're gonna wrap up a wild and wonderful y t MA. 0:42:06.480 --> 0:42:09.680 Welcome back to Night Carl. We have a voicemail from Amy. 0:42:09.760 --> 0:42:12.760 We wanted to play high night Call. This is Amy 0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:16.680 from Stoke on Trent in jolly old England. Not so 0:42:16.800 --> 0:42:22.880 jolly at the moment, So there's time long time following 0:42:23.000 --> 0:42:27.560 the episode talking about why two K Aesthetic. Molly was 0:42:27.680 --> 0:42:32.640 kind enough to remind me of the artist Molly Soda, 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:35.879 who you guys have mentioned a couple of times, And 0:42:36.040 --> 0:42:40.000 as I was scrolling through a Molly sodas Instagram feed, 0:42:40.400 --> 0:42:45.600 I saw that she's actually scandard uploaded all her old fanzines, 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:49.879 and that prompted me to It really kind of took 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:53.600 you back to thinking about how fanzines we're such a 0:42:53.640 --> 0:42:56.640 huge part of. So we'll still she's still such a 0:42:56.680 --> 0:42:59.880 huge part of the late nines and early two thousands, 0:43:00.080 --> 0:43:04.600 that kind of Y two K culture. So I was 0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:11.920 about fourteen, sort of fourteen fifteen in like thousand, and 0:43:12.160 --> 0:43:15.480 fanzine is like a huge huge part of my kind 0:43:15.520 --> 0:43:19.160 of um social life, if you want to a better word. 0:43:19.680 --> 0:43:22.520 And it's really interesting thinking about how the Internet was, 0:43:23.760 --> 0:43:25.759 you know, was becoming more of a thing, and I 0:43:25.800 --> 0:43:29.000 was spending a lot of time on particularly music forums, 0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:31.800 and kind of like d I y U culture was 0:43:31.880 --> 0:43:33.440 kind of moving onto you to step, but there was 0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:38.359 still this real love and attachment to fanzines. Um. And Yeah, 0:43:38.360 --> 0:43:41.120 it's kind of really interesting thinking about to these like 0:43:41.600 --> 0:43:44.640 I was like healthy and days of just rushing home 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.279 from school and been desperate to see if something had 0:43:47.360 --> 0:43:52.640 arrived like on the on my porch to see see that. 0:43:52.760 --> 0:43:56.279 You know, some messages from the great beyond outside of 0:43:56.760 --> 0:44:00.960 Stoke on trent Um and fantines like sutally huge part 0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:05.160 of my life that they actually helped me decide where 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:08.200 I wanted to go to university more college, as you 0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:10.840 know you guys would say, Um yeah, there's actually my 0:44:10.880 --> 0:44:16.160 favorite fanzine was a short lived series called Paranoia and 0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:17.840 it was produced in Manchester and it was kind of 0:44:17.880 --> 0:44:20.360 all about the Manchester indie scene and d I y 0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:24.200 scene and riot girl and a feminist culture and that 0:44:24.320 --> 0:44:28.480 was what made me decide to go to Manchester to um, 0:44:28.719 --> 0:44:33.080 to study and to basically live my goddamn life. Um yeah, 0:44:33.239 --> 0:44:36.200 so maybe fanzines is something you might want to just 0:44:36.320 --> 0:44:38.040 like touch on a little bit. I don't know whether 0:44:38.040 --> 0:44:41.160 you guys are any particularly of experience or if you 0:44:41.200 --> 0:44:45.799 were all digital kids. Um so yeah. So um that's 0:44:45.840 --> 0:44:48.640 my night call. So thank you very much, love the part, bye, 0:44:49.480 --> 0:44:52.879 Thank you so much for the car amy. Um, this 0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:56.360 is great. I feel like I was a little too 0:44:56.520 --> 0:45:00.359 young to truly be an interzine culture around this time, 0:45:00.400 --> 0:45:03.919 though I there was a zine shop I remember going 0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:07.840 to not infrequently in my hometown but um, it was 0:45:07.880 --> 0:45:10.200 not like I would say, the Internet was more of 0:45:10.239 --> 0:45:12.680 that sort of you know, sending out your signal, finding 0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.920 your people type thing for me around then. I guess 0:45:15.920 --> 0:45:19.799 that means I was a digital kid. What about you guys? 0:45:19.800 --> 0:45:21.759 Did you guys sunk around with me? I thought of 0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.399 ziness like a jen Xe thing for sure, So it 0:45:24.480 --> 0:45:28.279 was like I had heard of them, but nobody I 0:45:28.360 --> 0:45:30.560 knew made scenes. My friend Caitlin and I would like 0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.520 try to make a zine sometimes when we hung out, 0:45:33.560 --> 0:45:37.200 but we didn't actually print anything. There's definitely some Zene 0:45:37.200 --> 0:45:40.320 culture and Providence because it's like always kind of the 0:45:40.400 --> 0:45:44.000 nineties and Providence. Yeah. I think that was like the 0:45:44.080 --> 0:45:47.520 situation in Iowa City too, especially at being like everybody's 0:45:47.560 --> 0:45:49.080 like a want to be writer and wanted to be 0:45:49.120 --> 0:45:52.520 a little hemanway, so everybody was like publishing their short stories. 0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:56.680 And they've definitely come back really hard because in response 0:45:56.760 --> 0:45:59.680 to people being sick of digital stuff. Yeah, and and 0:45:59.719 --> 0:46:03.640 also so people's outlets, like the outlets just shrinking rapidly 0:46:03.719 --> 0:46:06.960 from where you can put that stuff. I mean, that's 0:46:06.960 --> 0:46:08.640 like all they have at the Art book Fair now, 0:46:08.760 --> 0:46:12.480 which is very I've really been enjoying seeing how znes 0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:15.239 have kind of come onto Instagram and and the web 0:46:15.280 --> 0:46:17.680 as well, because I know, like Edith Zimmerman Um was 0:46:17.719 --> 0:46:20.239 doing spiral Bound on medium that we're all, you know, 0:46:20.560 --> 0:46:23.359 like hand drawn comics, and then she also has um 0:46:23.440 --> 0:46:26.920 she she publishes her own kind of comics on Instagram, 0:46:27.200 --> 0:46:28.759 and I was like, oh, this is this makes me 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:31.360 so nostalgic. Even though I wasn't a fanzine p I 0:46:31.360 --> 0:46:34.000 was also like a digital kid. But now that they 0:46:34.160 --> 0:46:36.279 are kind of coming back, they teach them in my 0:46:36.320 --> 0:46:40.000 son's art class, and our friend Kate Raft has given 0:46:40.080 --> 0:46:42.240 us znes and I was like, I need to start 0:46:42.320 --> 0:46:45.160 making znes and like it's nice to see them coming back. 0:46:45.200 --> 0:46:48.480 I feel like we're actually a little bit older than Amy, 0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:51.200 maybe based on I think she was fourteen she said 0:46:51.239 --> 0:46:54.960 maybe in y two k Um, which we were a 0:46:55.000 --> 0:46:56.560 little bit like we were like roughly the same, a 0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:01.000 little bit older. Uh, but yeah, I think in l 0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:04.080 A like it just it was for sure that when 0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:06.440 we went to Providence, I remember going to the record 0:47:06.480 --> 0:47:11.479 store into the bookstore and being like zines zins well 0:47:11.520 --> 0:47:15.200 also like she was talking specifically about fanzines, and I 0:47:15.239 --> 0:47:19.200 think that's very different. Like I think, I think of well, 0:47:19.400 --> 0:47:21.440 maybe I'm wrong on this. I just remember all the 0:47:21.520 --> 0:47:23.759 znes that I was exposed to around them mostly being 0:47:23.800 --> 0:47:26.840 like funny stuff and like writing like people's short stories. 0:47:26.880 --> 0:47:30.120 They definitely yeah, they sold some fanzines at Tower Records. 0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:32.600 You just like uncovered something in my brain. It was 0:47:32.680 --> 0:47:36.000 like there were some sort of like you know, just 0:47:36.280 --> 0:47:39.120 and some of them were like retro fanzines yet where 0:47:39.120 --> 0:47:40.840 they were like small press, but they were like I 0:47:40.840 --> 0:47:44.400 remember there was like a power Pop one um and 0:47:44.480 --> 0:47:49.000 possibly a Monkeys one see all my I I feel 0:47:49.040 --> 0:47:52.480 like the equivalent that like the overlaps with that era 0:47:52.600 --> 0:47:56.279 and basically ends up not exactly replacing it because it 0:47:56.280 --> 0:47:58.640 didn't stick around long enough, but just sort of like 0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:01.680 carrying the torch for word is like the Geo Cities 0:48:01.719 --> 0:48:05.399 page like that that sort of ended up kind of 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:09.440 evolving that format because I had geoc these pages and 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:13.200 like fan sites for different like animal shows and stuff 0:48:13.239 --> 0:48:15.560 like that, you know, and just like gathering all your 0:48:15.640 --> 0:48:18.160 j pigs and putting them in a in a row 0:48:18.280 --> 0:48:20.439 and having a MIDI song play when you log onto 0:48:20.440 --> 0:48:24.240 the site, like that's that's my that was my intro 0:48:24.360 --> 0:48:28.160 to web, the web basically, but it's fun though. I 0:48:28.200 --> 0:48:30.560 love that people have been sharing the things that they've 0:48:30.600 --> 0:48:33.960 been that they associate with Y two k um because 0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:36.759 Amy is in England and was talking about how she 0:48:37.440 --> 0:48:40.680 wanted to go to you know, Manchester because of the fans. 0:48:40.920 --> 0:48:43.640 I love like hearing stuff like that because it's so specific. 0:48:43.800 --> 0:48:46.120 But you know, we tend to think of why two 0:48:46.160 --> 0:48:49.040 ks we associated with, like what we were dealing with 0:48:49.080 --> 0:48:52.160 at the time, and everybody has such like sweet stories 0:48:52.200 --> 0:48:55.240 of I mean right now, the past is just sweet 0:48:55.239 --> 0:48:58.480 in general. Y two k past. Yeah, I love to 0:48:58.520 --> 0:49:01.919 live in the past. Super health suit all the time, 0:49:02.840 --> 0:49:05.680 just just that feeling of long and so indicative of 0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:09.080 great mental health. And on that note, let's take a 0:49:09.239 --> 0:49:14.399 call from listener John greatly. This is John, I think 0:49:14.520 --> 0:49:17.960 humiliated the most listeners, and I do recall the year 0:49:18.040 --> 0:49:22.080 two thousand. It's very significant as you folks are talking about. 0:49:22.120 --> 0:49:26.719 The big issue initially was computers and they're supposed failure 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:30.799 as we moved from two thousand. I would call him 0:49:30.800 --> 0:49:33.360 not being too worried about that though, because I thought 0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:37.319 if the banks lost my checking and savings accounts, they 0:49:37.320 --> 0:49:40.200 can also lose my mortgage and maybe I'd come out ahead. 0:49:41.000 --> 0:49:45.719 But the concerned about computers was everywhere, and some people 0:49:45.840 --> 0:49:48.239 even claiming, I don't know if you are aware of this, 0:49:48.440 --> 0:49:53.720 that WWW for Worldwide Web was actually six six six. 0:49:54.320 --> 0:49:57.479 Since the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet the vove 0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:01.239 the rough equivalent of the English bubble, you meant that 0:50:01.800 --> 0:50:06.400 WWW was the mark of the Antichrist, that the web 0:50:06.880 --> 0:50:13.320 was actually Satanic. So the general concern over these matters 0:50:13.719 --> 0:50:18.160 did extend to more apocalyptic worries. My mother in law 0:50:18.320 --> 0:50:21.359 was going to fill all of her sinks and bathtubs 0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:25.440 with water to prepare in case for some reason there 0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:29.680 was no more water. Um. But the whole town of 0:50:29.719 --> 0:50:33.400 the millennium really was leading up to it, especially in 0:50:33.440 --> 0:50:36.680 the late nineties, really was a big deal and actually 0:50:36.800 --> 0:50:41.400 a taught apocalyptic literature. So there's all these movies that 0:50:41.440 --> 0:50:44.640 were coming out back then, like End of Days, Lost Souls, 0:50:44.640 --> 0:50:50.239 Blessed the Child, Fallen, Last Night, Stigma, Mega Code, and 0:50:50.280 --> 0:50:55.439 of course Buffy was on television and all of these, Um, 0:50:55.600 --> 0:50:59.520 we're really driving into people's consciousness. A students kept bringing 0:50:59.600 --> 0:51:03.520 up all of these movies teaching apocalyptic literature at that time. Was. 0:51:04.000 --> 0:51:07.560 It was actually pretty cool. Um. I just wanted to 0:51:07.680 --> 0:51:13.279 mention something too about the millennium. It's not exactly based on, 0:51:14.640 --> 0:51:16.680 you know, the time Jesus was born, which is actually 0:51:16.719 --> 0:51:20.960 more like four to six BC actually or BC um, 0:51:21.040 --> 0:51:24.879 but it stems from these passages in Revelation twenty three 0:51:24.920 --> 0:51:27.600 to seven where it talks about the millennium and take 0:51:27.680 --> 0:51:31.240 me being loose in things, and that's where we get millennarianism, 0:51:31.360 --> 0:51:35.439 and and from the Greek chilia for a thousand Achilleyism 0:51:35.560 --> 0:51:39.480 or Achilliyism. People have been calculating these times from almost 0:51:39.520 --> 0:51:43.719 the beginning of Christianity. Those those numbers, that thousand numbers 0:51:43.840 --> 0:51:47.759 just driven people a little mad. Anyways, thanks for hy 0:51:47.840 --> 0:51:53.120 to take and help to keep on listening. But excellent call. 0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:56.960 Hit every single hit, all the basis everything I like 0:51:57.080 --> 0:52:00.279 in a good call. We got Arnold sportsneger of a 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:09.080 some Hebrew alphabet, uh, the erroneous conspiracies uh, and uh, 0:52:09.400 --> 0:52:13.880 the true meaning of of of the millennium and millennialism. 0:52:13.920 --> 0:52:16.879 So yeah, great car, thank you so much. I want 0:52:16.880 --> 0:52:23.839 to teach apocalyptic literature class. Yeah yeah, I thought I 0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:27.160 did not know about this w ww me neither. I've 0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:30.360 never heard that, but I love it. I believe it completely. 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:34.000 I did find a site that, uh, it's like it 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:37.680 looks like a very oh yeah, it's copyright N Dial 0:52:37.760 --> 0:52:42.040 the Truth Ministries, UM. And it's like the U r 0:52:42.200 --> 0:52:45.600 L is like a V sleven dot org slash six 0:52:45.640 --> 0:52:49.760 six six slash WWW six six six UM so cool 0:52:49.760 --> 0:52:53.680 cool uh And it's it says uh and it's just 0:52:53.719 --> 0:52:56.680 like clearing up whether www s six six six. I 0:52:56.680 --> 0:52:59.480 mean they thought everything was six six six back then. 0:52:59.520 --> 0:53:01.880 That was like the tail end of Satanic panic, but 0:53:01.920 --> 0:53:05.600 it was still around. Yeah, but like techno satanic panic 0:53:05.800 --> 0:53:11.600 the best, yeah, vav vav. But even this uh site 0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:16.760 which oh my god, this has this form at the bottom. 0:53:16.800 --> 0:53:21.400 This is I'm like discovering a wonderful time capsule in 0:53:21.760 --> 0:53:24.200 real time and has a form at the bottom that says, 0:53:24.600 --> 0:53:27.359 tell some friends about this page and then you put 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:29.440 in your email and then your friend's email, and then 0:53:29.440 --> 0:53:31.879 you push the button to send it to them, UM, 0:53:32.080 --> 0:53:35.880 send it to us, okay, on sleeve. But Dial the 0:53:35.920 --> 0:53:40.400 Truth Ministries. It does actually seem to be U tamping 0:53:40.440 --> 0:53:42.680 down concerns over this. You know. At the end, it's 0:53:42.680 --> 0:53:45.520 just says, should I be concerned with www six six 0:53:45.600 --> 0:53:49.480 six answered no, I love whatever churches are, Like, what 0:53:49.520 --> 0:53:51.920 are the kids in two now? Like it is satanic? 0:53:52.040 --> 0:53:54.680 We must warn them. Um, I'm sure there's something like 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.640 this about TikTok. I was gonna say, TikTok is is 0:53:57.640 --> 0:53:59.920 exactly the thing people are concerned to say, because it's 0:54:00.000 --> 0:54:05.080 because you know, it's six letters, TikTok. Yeah, that's it, 0:54:05.200 --> 0:54:07.760 that's it. They live in hell houses up the street 0:54:07.800 --> 0:54:11.400 from Emily. Molly. You had a little Y two k 0:54:11.680 --> 0:54:13.960 nugget from our past that you want to Yeah, I 0:54:14.000 --> 0:54:16.480 just wanted to force tests to remember that we were 0:54:16.520 --> 0:54:19.719 in a high school show where we sang a cover 0:54:19.840 --> 0:54:25.080 of nineteen for the lyrics were changed to Uh was 0:54:25.160 --> 0:54:27.080 dreaming when I wrote this, so forgive me if it 0:54:27.080 --> 0:54:29.399 goes astray. But when I woke up this morning could 0:54:29.400 --> 0:54:33.880 have sworn it was Y two k. Oh. That was 0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:37.120 the same musical review show where I had a panic 0:54:37.120 --> 0:54:39.640 attack and I had like a little mini solo in 0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:43.279 one of our numbers, and on one night I just 0:54:43.560 --> 0:54:46.200 didn't do it. I just couldn't do it. I just 0:54:46.280 --> 0:54:50.160 hung out backstage and pretended that it hadn't happened at all. 0:54:51.120 --> 0:54:54.000 Good times. Thanks for reminding me, Molly. Sorry, I was 0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:59.480 just like, hey, traumatic memory to just end the show perfect, um. 0:54:59.560 --> 0:55:01.839 So we wanted to wrap up Why Too May by 0:55:01.880 --> 0:55:06.240 talking about about prepping and kind of you know, obviously 0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:09.520 Why two K didn't start the phenomenon of prepping, but 0:55:09.560 --> 0:55:12.359 I think it probably brought it into the popular consciousness 0:55:12.400 --> 0:55:14.440 and in a way that it hadn't been before and 0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:18.040 kind of made it something people your average person was 0:55:18.080 --> 0:55:21.360 aware of, is a thing that you could do and test. 0:55:21.400 --> 0:55:24.080 Dug up a really great White two K preparedness video 0:55:24.200 --> 0:55:29.040 that appears to just be from uh that's yeah again 0:55:29.120 --> 0:55:32.520 a great time capsule um, and also like just sort 0:55:32.560 --> 0:55:36.160 of feels like now just best practices. It doesn't feel 0:55:36.760 --> 0:55:40.320 that crazy any of the stuff in the video of 0:55:40.400 --> 0:55:41.960 even the fact that we now know that Why two 0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:44.680 K didn't result in any power outages, but I thought 0:55:44.680 --> 0:55:48.400 it was it was really uh interesting to watch it 0:55:48.440 --> 0:55:50.960 did say that, um in the In the description, it 0:55:51.000 --> 0:55:54.440 also says this that it had tips about emergency water 0:55:54.480 --> 0:55:57.960 sources such as snow sure water heaters uh huh, toilet 0:55:57.960 --> 0:56:01.680 tanks and water beds. Of course, at the turn of 0:56:01.680 --> 0:56:04.240 this entry were still a thing, and now it seemed 0:56:04.280 --> 0:56:06.840 to no longer be I mean some of this stuff, 0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:10.840 I feel like it's also just on deck in l 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:14.319 A all the time because the earthquakes and fires. Um, 0:56:14.400 --> 0:56:17.640 we definitely got a ton of earthquake preparedness drills and 0:56:17.680 --> 0:56:20.440 stuff like that. That was all of the emergency stuff 0:56:20.480 --> 0:56:23.320 we got, was like about earthquakes, and then there was 0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:28.239 the ninety four quake was a big, a big emergency. Um, 0:56:28.360 --> 0:56:30.960 but I didn't I don't feel like people gott into 0:56:31.000 --> 0:56:33.000 being preppers after that. I feel like the same thing 0:56:33.040 --> 0:56:35.680 always happens, which is that people don't go to buy 0:56:35.680 --> 0:56:39.480 water until there's already like the water shortage. And I 0:56:39.520 --> 0:56:42.160 noticed that with this too, or it was like, you know, 0:56:42.400 --> 0:56:46.280 that's why we had the grocery shortage issues because people 0:56:46.280 --> 0:56:48.960 were just like, oh, I don't have anything in my 0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:51.960 house if I can't leave it, Well there's I mean, 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:54.520 I think an interesting difference with this video, even though 0:56:54.560 --> 0:57:00.080 it is from versus like us today in l A, 0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.000 is that it was posted by the Detroit Historical Society. 0:57:03.000 --> 0:57:05.640 So this is like a local p s A in 0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:08.439 from the city of Detroit, and so it is very 0:57:08.480 --> 0:57:12.399 it's talking very specifically about like environmental conditions that one 0:57:12.440 --> 0:57:16.240 would experience. A few were in Detroit in January of 0:57:16.600 --> 0:57:19.320 two thousand, which you know would be winter, so they 0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:21.919 are talking about snow, they're talking about like making sure 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:25.800 you stay warm. I mean, I remember a freak blizzard 0:57:26.240 --> 0:57:30.040 UM hit Tacoma and Seattle when I was a kid, 0:57:30.120 --> 0:57:34.320 and UM knocked out our power for in my memory 0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.120 it was a week. It was probably just a few days, 0:57:36.120 --> 0:57:38.000 but it was a long time, and we didn't have heat, 0:57:38.040 --> 0:57:41.760 and we didn't have electricity or anything, and uh and 0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:44.520 really had to like figure out how to live day 0:57:44.560 --> 0:57:47.640 to day and to stay warm. And it was that 0:57:47.720 --> 0:57:50.120 was sort of my only real encounter with that kind 0:57:50.160 --> 0:57:55.439 of environmental reality of of losing the grid. But um, yeah, 0:57:55.640 --> 0:57:59.400 like the what you stood to have to go through 0:58:00.200 --> 0:58:03.720 in why two k and in Detroit versus California was 0:58:03.840 --> 0:58:06.920 obviously very different. Yeah. I think, Um, when I was 0:58:06.960 --> 0:58:10.280 looking through y two k detritus to try to figure 0:58:10.280 --> 0:58:13.360 out some weird things about, you know, how people were 0:58:13.400 --> 0:58:15.480 like preppers and what they did. One of the things 0:58:15.520 --> 0:58:19.160 that kept popping up was this article. And I guess 0:58:19.160 --> 0:58:21.600 it had like a I didn't listen to the audio 0:58:21.720 --> 0:58:25.240 from it from CBC Radio this is that section. Man 0:58:25.280 --> 0:58:29.040 emergency emerges from a bunker. Fourteen years after Y two, 0:58:29.120 --> 0:58:32.200 k scare with a picture of this grizzled dude. Uh 0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:35.120 and it says that the caption under his photo. After 0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:38.040 being away from society for fourteen years, Norman Feller is 0:58:38.080 --> 0:58:41.800 most impressed with KFC's double down Sandway. I saw reposted 0:58:41.800 --> 0:58:45.840 a bunch of places completely bought it for about that 0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:50.720 was like, no, they're having a choke in me. But 0:58:50.800 --> 0:58:54.560 a lot of people just totally just totally spread this 0:58:54.720 --> 0:58:58.520 as news. Um. I think it was just last Bunny 0:58:58.720 --> 0:59:04.280 Past come out again. That's like the atomics but it's 0:59:04.280 --> 0:59:08.440 all like that. Yeah, that was Yeah, blast from the 0:59:08.480 --> 0:59:11.880 Past came out because everybody was still expecting like the 0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:14.760 flying cars future in the year two thousand and then 0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:18.160 it became clear that that wasn't going to be here yet. Um, 0:59:18.240 --> 0:59:21.640 but maybe like a big computer glitch is something that 0:59:21.680 --> 0:59:25.040 will transform society. Did you guys have a fallout shelter 0:59:25.120 --> 0:59:29.120 in your school? Knew, No, we did. It was it 0:59:29.320 --> 0:59:32.320 felt like a little vestige of another era. It was 0:59:32.360 --> 0:59:35.240 a pretty old building. Yeah. I've definitely noticed like in 0:59:35.280 --> 0:59:38.040 buildings in New York and Queens. I remember the last 0:59:38.040 --> 0:59:39.680 time I was there, I noticed a lot of like 0:59:39.960 --> 0:59:42.960 just things announcing that the building had a fallout shelter. 0:59:43.880 --> 0:59:47.520 And having gone to the Atomic Museum, there was definitely 0:59:47.600 --> 0:59:51.560 a time obviously when that was like something everybody thought 0:59:51.600 --> 0:59:54.800 every home should have. It was like, you know, the 0:59:55.720 --> 0:59:59.360 standards for building in California. Now just to lis stand quakes, 0:59:59.400 --> 1:00:02.080 you know, just I mean that that give or whatever. 1:00:02.200 --> 1:00:04.400 I don't know if those things would actually protect you 1:00:04.440 --> 1:00:09.200 from an atomic bombs. Oh yeah, luckily we know now. 1:00:10.640 --> 1:00:12.600 I don't remember if I already talked about this on 1:00:12.640 --> 1:00:16.040 the podcast, but I watched Mattenee the other day. Again. Perfect, 1:00:16.400 --> 1:00:19.920 it's the perfect movie to rewatch now. Mattenee, in many says, 1:00:20.000 --> 1:00:23.919 is a perfect movie. Oh my god, so good. It's 1:00:23.920 --> 1:00:28.560 about atomic age, hysteria and horror movies in the fifties 1:00:28.640 --> 1:00:31.640 and B movies. Um, and there's a fallout shelter where 1:00:31.680 --> 1:00:33.800 some some teens get trapped and have a nice little 1:00:33.840 --> 1:00:38.080 makeout session. But yeah, it's it's really it's weird how 1:00:38.160 --> 1:00:42.000 cyclical the these kind of regardless of whether there's a 1:00:42.040 --> 1:00:44.840 pandemic or a disaster that actually plays out. It is 1:00:44.880 --> 1:00:48.880 really kind of something you don't think about often how cyclical, Uh, 1:00:49.200 --> 1:00:52.560 these kind of things are, these these strong human reaction, 1:00:52.640 --> 1:00:56.240 these cycles of fear, kind of kind of noticing how 1:00:56.680 --> 1:01:00.479 similarly people react every time UM, but it doesn't seem 1:01:00.560 --> 1:01:03.800 to matter whether the thing actually happens or not in 1:01:03.880 --> 1:01:06.240 terms of like what we learned from it. I guess 1:01:06.600 --> 1:01:10.320 it's so cyclical that it almost just feels like a mainstay, 1:01:10.400 --> 1:01:13.080 Like it's not something we ever really fully get away from. 1:01:13.120 --> 1:01:16.200 Because I was just thinking about, like ten years ago, 1:01:16.560 --> 1:01:20.680 I was really into like observing the the like apocalypse 1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:24.360 pop phenomenon, where like every single song had something in 1:01:24.440 --> 1:01:26.880 it about like this is the end of the world, 1:01:27.040 --> 1:01:30.320 if this is the last night we have like etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. 1:01:30.440 --> 1:01:34.040 Like it was just this recurring theme of all the 1:01:34.080 --> 1:01:37.760 pop hits UM. And then I actually saw recently like 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:40.680 this somewhat unrelated, but New York Times posted like a 1:01:40.680 --> 1:01:45.920 playlist of UM climate change pop that includes a smash 1:01:46.000 --> 1:01:51.120 Mouse all star, but like it's a it's a my 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:58.640 World's on fire? How about yours? That's change? Well, the 1:01:58.680 --> 1:02:02.000 ice we skate is getting thin. We also had a 1:02:02.080 --> 1:02:04.520 smash Mouth. We had a smash mounth song on our 1:02:04.800 --> 1:02:08.560 y k X, so we challenged The New York Times 1:02:08.600 --> 1:02:12.880 to a publicity feud. But there's also like they put 1:02:12.920 --> 1:02:16.080 in this pit Bull song called global Warming because people 1:02:16.120 --> 1:02:18.920 put out album called Global Warming in twelve and it's 1:02:18.960 --> 1:02:22.320 like actually, like they interviewed him in this piece and 1:02:22.400 --> 1:02:24.480 it made me almost cry just because I love pit 1:02:24.560 --> 1:02:27.720 Bull so much. It's just Mr Worldwide, but he was 1:02:27.800 --> 1:02:29.920 just talking about like he you know, he's from Miami, 1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:31.840 like he and he's very concerned about this stuff, and 1:02:31.840 --> 1:02:33.560 he's just like I wanted to like bring it into 1:02:33.560 --> 1:02:35.240 the public discourse. So I thought if it was like 1:02:35.240 --> 1:02:37.920 a dance song people would dance too and put words 1:02:37.920 --> 1:02:41.200 like climate change in global warring into the dance songs, 1:02:41.280 --> 1:02:45.600 then maybe people would be ready to talk about it more. Um. 1:02:45.720 --> 1:02:49.800 But yeah, I just think it's it's it's constantly interesting 1:02:49.840 --> 1:02:53.240 to see how this stuff plays out. And like even 1:02:53.280 --> 1:02:55.840 like we put we put Till the World Ends on 1:02:56.600 --> 1:02:59.640 the playlist, the Britney Spears song and the video of 1:02:59.720 --> 1:03:02.320 that I love is just like about living in sewers, 1:03:02.320 --> 1:03:05.240 like for the end times. It's just it's been a 1:03:05.680 --> 1:03:08.560 it's been a it's a it's a mainstay love living 1:03:08.560 --> 1:03:11.280 in the sewer. This is this podcast will turn into 1:03:11.320 --> 1:03:16.280 a teenage Ninja Turtles, the original TikTok house the sewer 1:03:16.320 --> 1:03:22.280 where the Ninja Turtles live. Um, but I kind of 1:03:22.280 --> 1:03:24.760 wanted to just talk you wrap up this month by 1:03:24.800 --> 1:03:29.240 just talking about prepping specifically, because it is it has 1:03:29.400 --> 1:03:34.640 weirdly become the the facet of y to K mania 1:03:34.760 --> 1:03:37.240 that we like maybe are living in. With the reference, 1:03:38.280 --> 1:03:41.320 I think we talked about this little bit last week. 1:03:41.400 --> 1:03:43.840 But yeah, the people who were the most hardcore preppers 1:03:43.840 --> 1:03:45.640 are the same people that want the country to like 1:03:45.720 --> 1:03:50.840 reopen immediately because they don't actually experience that much inconvenience 1:03:50.960 --> 1:03:54.600 or oppression in their lives, so they interpret this as 1:03:54.640 --> 1:03:59.720 against their freedoms. In some ways, I think everyone has 1:03:59.800 --> 1:04:02.240 no did that there's like only a certain amount of 1:04:02.240 --> 1:04:04.760 time you can spend in your own mind and in 1:04:04.800 --> 1:04:08.000 your own house, um, before going crazy. So I think 1:04:08.040 --> 1:04:12.080 a lot of people's cozy catastrophe fantasy about what the 1:04:12.200 --> 1:04:14.720 end times will be like have been like put to 1:04:14.760 --> 1:04:18.080 the test here of like, well, if you still can 1:04:18.200 --> 1:04:23.560 go outside, are you going to like? Probably, Um, I 1:04:23.600 --> 1:04:26.520 doubt anyone will be coming out of their COVID bunker 1:04:26.600 --> 1:04:31.400 to get a double down. Fourteen years later, they want 1:04:31.400 --> 1:04:34.200 those double downs right the funk Now that's the whole thing. 1:04:34.320 --> 1:04:38.960 They're like, they're like, reopen the KFC by me as 1:04:39.000 --> 1:04:43.720 a dining in restaurant because it's not it's not the same. 1:04:44.280 --> 1:04:46.960 And there's been people like there's been psychotic people like 1:04:47.080 --> 1:04:51.479 spitting it, drive through workers and stuffy. Um. It hadn't 1:04:51.480 --> 1:04:53.680 occurred to me that spitting would become like one of 1:04:53.720 --> 1:04:56.600 the most violent acts you could do in a pandemic. 1:04:57.960 --> 1:05:04.840 Just coughing in people's faces. Yeah, that is just hit 1:05:04.960 --> 1:05:09.600 us now. I don't know. The melancholia will come when 1:05:09.680 --> 1:05:16.680 we least expect it. Um. Well, I enjoyed revisiting in 1:05:16.680 --> 1:05:19.640 the year two thousand this past month with you guys. Uh. 1:05:19.840 --> 1:05:23.120 It was both in both edifying for what we're going 1:05:23.160 --> 1:05:26.600 through now. I'm kind of weirdly escapist too, so I 1:05:26.640 --> 1:05:29.439 hope everybody who listened enjoyed as well. Yeah, and thank 1:05:29.480 --> 1:05:32.960 you to everybody who wrote in and called in, because 1:05:32.960 --> 1:05:35.720 we I think we've actually gotten more calls and emails 1:05:35.760 --> 1:05:39.320 for this topic than any other and it was really 1:05:39.320 --> 1:05:41.160 great to hear from you guys. We would love to 1:05:41.160 --> 1:05:44.800 start incorporating this many calls and emails in future theme 1:05:44.840 --> 1:05:48.920 months and next month. We've already announced it, right, I 1:05:48.960 --> 1:05:55.800 mean official channels. But get ready for Rambling Gambling June. 1:05:57.040 --> 1:06:00.880 We're going to lose all our money in June from 1:06:00.920 --> 1:06:05.560 gambling and other reasons. Um, but we're gonna be having 1:06:05.560 --> 1:06:11.840 a whole month of Vegas gambling poker if you will 1:06:11.840 --> 1:06:16.200 watch Molly's game for sure. Um. 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