Speaker 1: It's two thirty eight am in a parallel universe and
Speaker 1: you're listening Tonight Call. Welcome to Night Call, a call
Speaker 1: in show for our dystopian reality. I am your host,
Speaker 1: Molly Lambert, and with me as always are Tess Lying
Speaker 1: and Emily Yoshida. Hey, guys, what's up? So we last
Speaker 1: week we talked about the kind of science computer programming
Speaker 1: reality behind White t u K and what it actually was.
Speaker 1: And one of the things we discussed was that there
Speaker 1: is something called the problem, which is, as you can
Speaker 1: tell from the title, going to happen in And we
Speaker 1: got a bunch of both helpful and very like straining
Speaker 1: the capacity of my brain right now, emails and calls
Speaker 1: from sners about what problem is. So, um, yeah, Test,
Speaker 1: you want to like talk a little bit about I
Speaker 1: don't know what what you've learned, I can go through
Speaker 1: like my basic understanding of it. I'm so scared to
Speaker 1: get into this, but I have to first. I want
Speaker 1: to shout out a couple of people who wrote in um,
Speaker 1: We're gonna pull from what they said. We we got, um,
Speaker 1: former software engineers, very very smart people who I don't
Speaker 1: know what capacity they work in software, but yeah, it
Speaker 1: was amazing too to have this explained, and and it
Speaker 1: was truly humbling. UM. I have to say that one
Speaker 1: thing that might that was a through line that might
Speaker 1: make sense before we get into the meat of these emails,
Speaker 1: is that you may have noticed if you have a
Speaker 1: Mac that recently you had to upgrade update your computer
Speaker 1: to the computer iOS to Catalina. And if you did
Speaker 1: that and you had some older software on your computer
Speaker 1: like word, um, I believe, Excel, Scrivener, those might all
Speaker 1: of a sudden have excess through them. And so one
Speaker 1: of the things that I kind of drew from this,
Speaker 1: having updated to Catalina just a couple of days ago,
Speaker 1: is that that is because Catalina can't work with thirty
Speaker 1: two bits software, it has to work with sixty four
Speaker 1: bit software. Yeah, so some of these kind of antiquated
Speaker 1: UM programs that we're using will eventually no longer work
Speaker 1: unless you upgrade to the sixty four bits. So even
Speaker 1: if you can't, yeah, if you can't understand some of
Speaker 1: what's going on here and know that in real life,
Speaker 1: it actually does affect you. And and everybody who wrote
Speaker 1: in did touch on the thirty two bit difference. UM. So,
Speaker 1: first off. We have Diane the former software engineer, and
Speaker 1: she said, uh. In regards to explaining the eight bug,
Speaker 1: the underlying issue is in the way that most computing
Speaker 1: systems represent time stamps as the number of seconds that
Speaker 1: have passed since January one represented as time stamp zero,
Speaker 1: So that was kind of an arbitrary date that was
Speaker 1: decided as your one. Computers. Your for its UNIX, right, yes,
Speaker 1: it's UNIX. So in some systems, she goes on, this
Speaker 1: time stamp is stored is stored as a sign, meaning
Speaker 1: it can be positive or negative thirty two bit integer,
Speaker 1: so there are some bits that are that are used
Speaker 1: to store what the number is and a bit to
Speaker 1: store the sign. The highest number that can be represented
Speaker 1: by this type of integer is, Oh god, do I
Speaker 1: have to read this long number? I'm just gonna say no.
Speaker 1: Two billion, one hight three thousand, six hundred and forty seven.
Speaker 1: Thank you. How do you measure a year in the life?
Speaker 1: In the life? How about how about as time stamp January?
Speaker 1: If if a program increments the time stamp beyond that,
Speaker 1: she says, it will cause integer overflow, which means that
Speaker 1: having run out of usable digit bits, it will instead
Speaker 1: flip the bit used to store the sign, causing it
Speaker 1: to be interpreted as a huge negative number representing December one, which,
Speaker 1: without needing more much more explanation, would cause a cluster fuck.
Speaker 1: And now I would like to also tip my hat
Speaker 1: to Jeff who wrote in to point out um. He
Speaker 1: wrote a long explainer that was also super comprehensive that
Speaker 1: unfortunately we don't have the brains to be able to
Speaker 1: explain but before the time, but he did make He
Speaker 1: did point out something that's very night call, which is
Speaker 1: that from the computer's perspective, I'm quoting here rather than
Speaker 1: rolling from December January one, d the y two k problem.
Speaker 1: If the problem isn't fixed, some computers will go directly
Speaker 1: from three fourteen oh seven on Tuesday nineteenth of January
Speaker 1: fifty two on Friday, December one, little spooky dash of
Speaker 1: a computer computer creepiness. Uh So that was that, I mean,
Speaker 1: we actually we. We even had one who pointed out
Speaker 1: a link to the legend a Zelda. One of my
Speaker 1: favorite factoris that I found out about the problem was
Speaker 1: that we kind of got a preview. Another way to
Speaker 1: kind of understand it a little bit is we got
Speaker 1: a preview of the problem from Gagenam Style of all things. Um,
Speaker 1: I this was referenced and I think a Guardian article
Speaker 1: and then I found like a Metro UK article which
Speaker 1: is like dodgy but also like it's been sided by
Speaker 1: a lot of people. But that Um, when Gagnam Style
Speaker 1: passed that number two billion, one hundred and something thousand
Speaker 1: or a million, uh it uh, there was a glitch
Speaker 1: and the views went down to zero. And I remember
Speaker 1: this too because everybody was like, oh my god, it's
Speaker 1: like breaking records. And then suddenly it showed zero and
Speaker 1: it was because YouTube had only had thirty two bit
Speaker 1: thirty two bits to count views, and then they did
Speaker 1: a quick update to sixty four bits and then and
Speaker 1: now they can count up to I don't even This
Speaker 1: is when I actually don't know how. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that's a quintillion, like nine quintillion, two, three quadrillion. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a lot. So yeah, it just
Speaker 1: seems like it's this The idea of counting time as
Speaker 1: in this linear way is kind of what's going to
Speaker 1: trip up a lot of um computer systems. So interesting,
Speaker 1: we got it. But yeah, like like the like you
Speaker 1: mentioned with the Catalina thing, it just seems like like
Speaker 1: everybody's It seems similar to the Y d K thing,
Speaker 1: where it's just like this isn't a big deal, and
Speaker 1: like most people, there's an easy fix for all of
Speaker 1: this stuff, like what what Apple did. It's just like
Speaker 1: everybody has to do it. That's the main thing. And
Speaker 1: the other the other thing that's weird is that Apple
Speaker 1: does have to do this and the other programs do
Speaker 1: you have to update? And and we were warned because
Speaker 1: I complained to my dad about what happened when I
Speaker 1: upgraded to Catalina. I was like, and now I have to,
Speaker 1: you know, do a subscription model for Microsoft Office and
Speaker 1: all this stuff. And he was like, but you were
Speaker 1: they sent They told you millions of times that this
Speaker 1: was going to be a problem and no, and everyone
Speaker 1: who's complaining was kind of just ignoring being told by
Speaker 1: these technological companies like hey, you're gonna have to change
Speaker 1: at some point or everything can't work. But it still
Speaker 1: makes me mad. I mean, we're talking about getting into
Speaker 1: custom computer stuff. Uh, just off the air a little
Speaker 1: while ago, um and telling one of our other producers
Speaker 1: about basically the halt and catch fire, the flashpoint of
Speaker 1: computing deciding that you couldn't just decide what gets to
Speaker 1: stay on the computer. The computer brand decides for you
Speaker 1: with the update and things like that. I'm definitely like, no,
Speaker 1: I want a computer that lets me have an old
Speaker 1: Yankee word if that's what I want. You know, like,
Speaker 1: people have emotional attachments to programs and just even interfaces,
Speaker 1: and I think that the way, especially with Apple prod next,
Speaker 1: that they've made it so it's like you really can't
Speaker 1: use anything from a product when it stops wanting to
Speaker 1: work is like not what customers want at all. Well,
Speaker 1: I think the issue here is not that it's Apple
Speaker 1: saying you can't use these things you feel nostalgic about.
Speaker 1: It's just that they literally weren't built for the president,
Speaker 1: Like you can't use it anymore. If you ever bought word,
Speaker 1: it should just give you word. It shouldn't be like
Speaker 1: you have to buy a whole new office package because
Speaker 1: you updated the software. Yeah, I mean, I think I
Speaker 1: don't even mind having to buy it again. It's the
Speaker 1: fact that it's now that they're kind of pushing a
Speaker 1: subscription model, which I think they'll continue to push. But
Speaker 1: I mean, I also wonder if our reactions to the
Speaker 1: problem by just being very blase until we can't use
Speaker 1: the programs that we want to use, has to do
Speaker 1: with the fact that we saw what happened with Y
Speaker 1: two K, and also that you know, there was no
Speaker 1: way that we could prepare for what would happen with
Speaker 1: Y two K. It's all in the hands of people
Speaker 1: who can write us emails like we received. You were
Speaker 1: so smart. Also, it just made me think our listners
Speaker 1: are so cool and smart. So listeners are so cool
Speaker 1: and smart. UM one y two K. Thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to mention because it's the end of why two came month,
Speaker 1: and I can't believe I didn't mention it all month
Speaker 1: is that my elementary school was called Lawrence two thousand
Speaker 1: because it was the School of the Future in UM
Speaker 1: and it was very sort of like fifties space age,
Speaker 1: and they changed the name in the year two thousand.
Speaker 1: Now it's called the Lawrence School and it's like a
Speaker 1: fancy school. But when it was Lawrence two thousand, we
Speaker 1: did like a time capsule, I believe for the year
Speaker 1: two thousand in I think that was uncovered in two thousand.
Speaker 1: What was in it probably just like some drawings from
Speaker 1: some kids such as I. But I remember thinking that
Speaker 1: the obsession with the year two thousand was like a
Speaker 1: very mid century type of thing, you know, like when
Speaker 1: I think of the fifth use space age, that's what
Speaker 1: I think of, is like, that's the year two thousand,
Speaker 1: that's the future. Is the year two thousand? Now that
Speaker 1: we're in the real horrible future. Well, we'll be talking
Speaker 1: a little more about White two K at the end
Speaker 1: of the show to wrap up White two May. Before that,
Speaker 1: we're going to take a quick break. We'll be back soon. Um,
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Nightcallum. Hey, guys, I got COVID tested. Wow,
Speaker 1: how was it? It was so easy? I mean again,
Speaker 1: I just keep thinking about that William Gibson quote over
Speaker 1: and over and over again, because it's just like the
Speaker 1: future is here, it's just not evenly distributed. It's just
Speaker 1: like I know that there are so many places in
Speaker 1: the country where it's not this easy. So I don't
Speaker 1: want to like sound like I'm gloating about it, but seriously, like,
Speaker 1: and I tried a few weeks ago to get a
Speaker 1: test and it was all backed up in the line
Speaker 1: was it didn't seem possible. But I made a reservation
Speaker 1: for the next day. I drove over to the Dodger Stadium.
Speaker 1: Person in a haz matt suit gave me as a
Speaker 1: black bag basically hawked up alogie and swabbed it out
Speaker 1: of my mouth and put it in a test tube
Speaker 1: and then gave it to another person that has met suit,
Speaker 1: like through a one inch crack in my window. And
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I'll find out if I
Speaker 1: have COVID in five days. But I was truly impressed.
Speaker 1: To be clear, this was the active infection test, not
Speaker 1: the antibody test. The antibody test, yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: active infection. Yeah. I signed up to get tested last week,
Speaker 1: and then right before I went in it was for
Speaker 1: my whole family. Um, I saw that those tests that
Speaker 1: are not the nasal tests but that are the cough
Speaker 1: swabs are only seventy accurate. And then I was like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: well should I not do it? But we're being You're
Speaker 1: not like taking a test away from someone else. We're
Speaker 1: all being urged in Los Angeles County, or at least
Speaker 1: in the city of Los Angeles. I know it differs
Speaker 1: to get tested to see how many people are asymptomatic carriers.
Speaker 1: And I actually know someone UM who has no one
Speaker 1: and her family has had any symptoms. They all got
Speaker 1: tested and with the cough test, and her husband tested
Speaker 1: positive but has no symptoms. So it's great to get
Speaker 1: tested if you and just like you know, submit your
Speaker 1: data to the pool, just so we can help understand
Speaker 1: and help people understand what this thing is like. Although
Speaker 1: I read something yesterday that was about how they're sucking
Speaker 1: up all the data nationally because they're combining the active
Speaker 1: infection tests and the antibody tests, and it's making it
Speaker 1: seem like less people have it than actually do so
Speaker 1: that they can push to reopen. Essentially, it's like a
Speaker 1: big funk up. It's almost impossible or I don't know,
Speaker 1: I haven't looked too deeply, but UM, some friends I
Speaker 1: have who are trying to figure out if it's safe
Speaker 1: to reopen their preschool at some point, I have been
Speaker 1: trying to find out if they can get antibody tested,
Speaker 1: and apparently it's very difficult to you know, find it's
Speaker 1: it's so much easier to see if you are actively
Speaker 1: infected with the virus than to be able to be
Speaker 1: antibody tested. UM, which seems odd. It seems like that
Speaker 1: should have been a coordinated effort. Yeah, it's it's really
Speaker 1: like I wish that anybody tests were like more where
Speaker 1: they needed to be right now, because that just feels
Speaker 1: like it would be so helpful. But just until recently, though,
Speaker 1: we didn't. We weren't sure if people could be reinfected.
Speaker 1: I mean, we still aren't sure, but I think the
Speaker 1: most recent um, you know, article that I read said
Speaker 1: that it seems like maybe you can't get reinfected. But
Speaker 1: before that, you know, I thought that that was not
Speaker 1: the case. It's as I've seen both. I think that's
Speaker 1: the thing too, is it's like the story is still unfolding,
Speaker 1: so the data is slightly ahead of the information. It's like,
Speaker 1: we know some stuff is going on, but like, what
Speaker 1: does this tell us is it safe? Maybe we won't
Speaker 1: find out until people try to reopen things and it
Speaker 1: goes badly. Yeah. I love making that noise on a podcast. Sorry,
Speaker 1: but that's the noise of twenty twenty. Yeah. Officially, speaking
Speaker 1: of quarantining and and COVID, there's an article in New
Speaker 1: York Times UM about a certain certain phenomenon happening among
Speaker 1: TikTok houses in Los Angeles where all the TikTok kids
Speaker 1: are quarantining together and doing TikTok quarantine content. I guess
Speaker 1: can you tell I'm not on TikTok um? But I
Speaker 1: just this is of interest to me because I now
Speaker 1: live in a neighborhood where, um, basically the street that
Speaker 1: I live on is like the emptying out street for
Speaker 1: where a lot of these houses are, so I get
Speaker 1: all of their like lambo's like speeding by at all
Speaker 1: hours of the day and um, and if you walk
Speaker 1: up towards like Hollywood, some of those houses are up there. Um,
Speaker 1: these hype houses or whatever I mean, they all have
Speaker 1: different names cloud houses, um and uh. I I just
Speaker 1: it's been it's been an object of fascination for me
Speaker 1: since moving and since being in lockdown, because at first
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, I know what this is. When
Speaker 1: I was passing by it, I was like, this is
Speaker 1: very obviously a place where like influencers are staying, you know,
Speaker 1: and semi temporary ways to like grow their careers in
Speaker 1: l A. I've read about this. But then they all
Speaker 1: seemed empty and I was like, oh, they all went
Speaker 1: home to like North Carolina or wherever. They're from like
Speaker 1: for COVID, but now they're filling back up again. Uh
Speaker 1: and now it's like the thing to to to be
Speaker 1: quarantining with like twenty other TikTok ers and everybody drives
Speaker 1: like Bentley's or whatever. Um so your this is your
Speaker 1: pitch for the night call cloudhouse. So what you're saying, No,
Speaker 1: can you imagine how like unsanitary one of those places are?
Speaker 1: They all just look like frats. Well that's what happens
Speaker 1: when super young people have a lot of money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah they are like frat houses. Having interviewed
Speaker 1: some like rappers, I feel like it's like, but it's
Speaker 1: just seems fun because they're nineteen. They don't care if
Speaker 1: they're like, yes, they're never going to die. They drive
Speaker 1: around and they like huff nitrous and like get into
Speaker 1: car accidents. So that's also happening. And that's the funny
Speaker 1: thing is that like I'm on next door now, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm showing my age. That's always the thing I find
Speaker 1: very funny is like for how much people are like
Speaker 1: freaked out about non white people walking around the neighborhood
Speaker 1: or homeless people under underpasses. You've got these people up
Speaker 1: here that are way more annoying right now. And um,
Speaker 1: they complain about them too. They call them the horror houses.
Speaker 1: On the horror houses. Guys, your next door is so
Speaker 1: much better than my next door is almost entirely lost
Speaker 1: or found pets, which is why I'm still on it.
Speaker 1: I mean, Emily, you don't want to be like the
Speaker 1: dean in the college movie who's like, oh, I'm just lurking.
Speaker 1: I have those damned kids. I'm gonna I will say that,
Speaker 1: will prank on them, that'll go viral. Oh, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you can hear it. Another one just screamed
Speaker 1: by outside. I mean, uh, this is a big divide
Speaker 1: in nightcall culture that I may be the only one
Speaker 1: on this side of. But I'm really into all the
Speaker 1: COVID street racing. Yeah, no, I'm not at all. I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I've been in too many car accidents, Molly. I don't
Speaker 1: think it's cool, not necessarily the people speeding down canyons,
Speaker 1: but I feel like those people do that all the
Speaker 1: time anyway, more than like people taking over deserted streets
Speaker 1: and stuff to do fast and the furious stuff. I
Speaker 1: personally don't understand it when people are talking about like, oh,
Speaker 1: I can go so fast they almost feel as boulevard
Speaker 1: or whatever because nobody's on it. I'm like it, don't
Speaker 1: you want to be in your car as long as possible?
Speaker 1: Like I have slowed way down when I'm driving. I'm
Speaker 1: just like, let's take it, like I'm gonna take a
Speaker 1: lot of the longest route I can to get back
Speaker 1: home because being home is so boring. And it always
Speaker 1: happens during holidays. It's like when the city clears out,
Speaker 1: it just turns into a little bit of grand theft
Speaker 1: auto And I find that beautiful. But I understand I
Speaker 1: do enjoy it as an idea. I cannot enjoy it
Speaker 1: as a human being. I know someone who was hit
Speaker 1: on Los Filas Boulevard by a speeding car and she
Speaker 1: she is still like recouper. It's it's that it's a
Speaker 1: very very dangerous uh stream about the middle of the night.
Speaker 1: Street racing middle of the night on Los Filas Boulevard
Speaker 1: is where accidents off. And how you are you're talking
Speaker 1: about like deep in the desert in the remote you know,
Speaker 1: outer ridge of Los Angeles. But it's like people are
Speaker 1: shutting down streets and stuff. I've read about it happening
Speaker 1: all over the country. Um, there's also some dickhead people
Speaker 1: that are doing it, but in a way that's really funny. Um.
Speaker 1: Robert Evans from Mind the Bastards is talking about it.
Speaker 1: There are these super rich people who set up like
Speaker 1: a gumball rally where they're driving across the entire United
Speaker 1: States in some absurdly short amount of time, and they
Speaker 1: have all these flag points and things. It's like very
Speaker 1: complicated in a huge t waste of money. It seems
Speaker 1: like the movie rat Race wheat. But aren't they also
Speaker 1: going around from town to town like potentially spreading coronavirus
Speaker 1: as they because they're never getting out of their car ever,
Speaker 1: you know, if they're soiling themselves like what they do
Speaker 1: you very in the sky. They probably have diapers and like,
Speaker 1: you know, trucker stuff. I'm kind of boggled that you're like,
Speaker 1: I'm into that because I'm like, what are the only
Speaker 1: like interesting new things happening. I mean, I's obviously dangerous.
Speaker 1: Don't try it at home. There are lots of interesting
Speaker 1: things that I would say are not good good. It's
Speaker 1: like a ven diagree, guys, don't you like Bruce Springsteen. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I And I think the whole point is those are
Speaker 1: deserted highways, you know what I mean, Like I think
Speaker 1: I think that's it's not supposed to be, Like I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go to Santa Monica and just speed. You know
Speaker 1: that's my I just call me Grandma killer seed. Um.
Speaker 1: I when one other thing I just wanted to bring
Speaker 1: up about the TikTok house thing because this feeds into
Speaker 1: your interest with Kylie Jenner Molly and her house, is
Speaker 1: that one of the houses in my neighborhood. And I
Speaker 1: found this out from next door um because people were complaining.
Speaker 1: They're like, some people thought it was a hotel. They
Speaker 1: didn't know that this it was this TikTok house. And
Speaker 1: then then some people cleared it up for them, but
Speaker 1: they're like, there's one of these houses is empty right now,
Speaker 1: like nobody's it's it's ready to be like moved into.
Speaker 1: But obviously the real estate market has slowed down, so
Speaker 1: whoever owns it has been throwing parties for for influencers
Speaker 1: at this big like horror house in the hills, um
Speaker 1: to to advertise it on social media, which is just
Speaker 1: like and I guess people are going like enough people
Speaker 1: are going that it's like blocking traffic and stuff. So
Speaker 1: it sounds like a great found footage horror movie. So
Speaker 1: you could film it from really far away. You could
Speaker 1: just get out there, long lens, long lens it from
Speaker 1: across the street, love with one of them through the window.
Speaker 1: It just I I would be stalking these people. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just I was pretty shocked. I mean, nothing
Speaker 1: can truly shock me when it comes to like influencers
Speaker 1: in the real estate market. But I wouldn't crash this
Speaker 1: party right now, obviously because there's a pandemic. But I
Speaker 1: would absolutely like crash one of these parties and have
Speaker 1: them be like, who's this weird woman there. You'd be
Speaker 1: like FSA back in the day, like at the Big
Speaker 1: She would just like crash parties. Apparently crash parties. Well,
Speaker 1: it's just like if a party is down the street
Speaker 1: from you, you can crash it. Those are the rules.
Speaker 1: That's the rule. So one other quick piece of news
Speaker 1: about Quarantine Times is that there's possibly a parallel universe.
Speaker 1: I guess this is good news. Um, good news for
Speaker 1: is very It's very twenty that when these so nanoparticles
Speaker 1: were discovered by the Anita experiment. Uh again, this this
Speaker 1: whole this whole episode of our podcast is us trying
Speaker 1: to talk about things that are like quantum physics or
Speaker 1: like how computers work. However, um, for a while there,
Speaker 1: everyone on Twitter was kind of fantasizing because of evidence
Speaker 1: that there might be a parallel dimension that they everyone
Speaker 1: started kind of theorizing and running with the idea that
Speaker 1: time runs backwards and up is down and left is
Speaker 1: right in the parallel dimension. And it's I just took
Speaker 1: it as everyone so badly wants to rewind that we're like,
Speaker 1: we're willing to think that there's a place where like
Speaker 1: we could just go back. Well, it's so in tune
Speaker 1: with with y to May. I was just excited about
Speaker 1: the free advertising they were doing for our y two
Speaker 1: K theory, Right, I know, Wait, which y two K theory?
Speaker 1: The split timelines, Ben Lambert, Yeah, that the parallel universe
Speaker 1: began in y two K, and that's where everything has
Speaker 1: been running smoothly more or less compared to here, where
Speaker 1: everything has gotten so stupid that you can't even really
Speaker 1: predict how much more stupid it will get each week.
Speaker 1: Because it's like the quantum physics, it's like my mind
Speaker 1: just can't get there yet. You know, I don't know. Um,
Speaker 1: I know, I read something from c ne net um.
Speaker 1: So the first the first I read of the parallel
Speaker 1: universe was in thrill lists and uh, but then sat yesterday,
Speaker 1: I believe, so, you know, Thursday of last week, if
Speaker 1: you're listening to this on Monday, had kind of a
Speaker 1: partial debunking of it. Um. I'm quoting from the article.
Speaker 1: There's a really interesting science story here, but it's not
Speaker 1: the one you're being sold. The Anita experiment is mind
Speaker 1: boggling in its own right. It looks for ghostly particles
Speaker 1: that pass through most matter. It is definitely detected something
Speaker 1: unusual and unexpected. There are plenty of competing theories that
Speaker 1: aren't explored in the quick news hits, like the idea
Speaker 1: that Antarctic ice may itself be giving rise to these
Speaker 1: anomalous events. Um. And then later the author of that
Speaker 1: article says that you know, if you remember the Sagan standard,
Speaker 1: which is extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Uh, we do
Speaker 1: not have the extraordinary evidence to prove that this is
Speaker 1: evidence of a parallel dimension. Unfortunately, this is basically a
Speaker 1: theory that has existed for a long time. At this point,
Speaker 1: the findings were two years old at least. Right Like
Speaker 1: other fun theories, it's fun to think about, but there
Speaker 1: isn't so much of a smoking gun to prove there's
Speaker 1: a parallel universe. Also, it's just like it's not news,
Speaker 1: Like it's something that somebody dug up to be, like,
Speaker 1: let's make let's let's package this is a news story
Speaker 1: to get hits because this is the story everybody wants
Speaker 1: right now. And I saw the guy who UM popularized
Speaker 1: chaos theory just passed away recently, the guy who Jeff
Speaker 1: Goldblum's character in Drassic Park is based on. People love
Speaker 1: we love a theory we love of UM the thing
Speaker 1: that explains everything in a universal way. That would be great.
Speaker 1: I would love that if they're parallel universes. Well, speaking
Speaker 1: of theories during hard times, Uh, there's this box piece
Speaker 1: that UM you guys linked to about kind of why
Speaker 1: the general anxiety of coronavirus times is leading to a
Speaker 1: lot more conspiratorial thinking, perhaps more than than usual. Even um,
Speaker 1: I feel like I've seen that. But I also feel like,
Speaker 1: and I was talking about this with Molly last night,
Speaker 1: like I feel like it's also just making it's bringing
Speaker 1: out the inner cop and everybody like there's the conspiracy
Speaker 1: theory have like so it's like, are you a detective
Speaker 1: or are you a cop? Yeah? Police, right right right?
Speaker 1: Because people are too online because there's nothing else to do. Um,
Speaker 1: and that is the thing, Like the Reddit detective thing
Speaker 1: got so big and out. There's totally like Reddit cops
Speaker 1: and like little Twitter cops everywhere. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: especially the past few days, I was just like, what
Speaker 1: is up with like the day of the Locust energy
Speaker 1: on Twitter? It's been out of control recently for people
Speaker 1: who don't know what we're talking about, either because they're
Speaker 1: not on Twitter or because time is moving at such
Speaker 1: warp speed that they have missed this. I think you
Speaker 1: guys are talking about both the Alison Roman controversy and
Speaker 1: the Lawna del Rey thing. Yeah, a bunch of other things,
Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff, a lot of like as particularly,
Speaker 1: and I think that Molly was ready to point this
Speaker 1: out on Twitter, particularly stuff that people who are now
Speaker 1: out of a job because they used to be journalists
Speaker 1: are aware of, like media gossip and that kind of
Speaker 1: which the Allison Roman story is obviously a prime example
Speaker 1: of that. Then went from media gossip to like actual
Speaker 1: mainstream tabloids. I was like, whoa, I mean, I guess
Speaker 1: the connection to Chrissy Teagan. But it's also just like
Speaker 1: people are so starved for like stories that aren't about coronavirus.
Speaker 1: These stories get really saturated everywhere on Twitter. Uh, and
Speaker 1: then I guess do become like newspaper news now, but
Speaker 1: there's still I think Emily was saying, it's like people,
Speaker 1: it's the same reason people would go to conspiracies. It's
Speaker 1: like people feel so much of a loss of control
Speaker 1: that they're like, what can I control? And what can
Speaker 1: I like say is the unequivocal truth right now, to
Speaker 1: which I think has been something that's been going a
Speaker 1: lot on a lot more. Yeah, and like even pre
Speaker 1: pre COVID, just like like being able to say, like,
Speaker 1: for example, this person is canceled. It's always like so
Speaker 1: you can like bring down the gavel really hard on
Speaker 1: one thing, because there's so many things you can't bring
Speaker 1: the gavel down. I came up with something really dumb
Speaker 1: on Kate Rap show, Hot and Rich the other day,
Speaker 1: which is I was like, there isn't really canceled culture,
Speaker 1: but it's just like can sell culture. Like if you
Speaker 1: can sell stuff, you're never canceled, you know. Like, but
Speaker 1: isn't that the whole point of being canceled is that
Speaker 1: you cannot sell. But it doesn't matter if you come
Speaker 1: out with the product people want, it gets undone. Remember
Speaker 1: when R Kelly got canceled the first time for very
Speaker 1: good reason. I mean, he should obviously actually be canceled,
Speaker 1: But when he got canceled, then he came out with
Speaker 1: the remix to Ignition, and there was just like a
Speaker 1: just people just forgot or just a lot of people
Speaker 1: didn't know. They really did not believe that R Kelly
Speaker 1: did it, like initially in the sketch about it on
Speaker 1: Chappelle's show. I feel like every everybody wants just like
Speaker 1: this is a good song, let's not talk about it
Speaker 1: for another ten years. Um. Yeah. I just feel like
Speaker 1: for some people to getting canceled like just helps their brand,
Speaker 1: because some there like the bad boy of whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck you know. Um. I was looking at the podcast
Speaker 1: top charts last night because I'm insane, and I it
Speaker 1: was like entirely Joe Rogan and Ben Shapiro and and
Speaker 1: then like a little bit of like news, and I
Speaker 1: was like this is horrifying, like this, this is what
Speaker 1: people want. It's just like things that I think are
Speaker 1: just very bad. But I feel like it works totally
Speaker 1: differently for um, say, like female artists versus like male
Speaker 1: commentators or whatever. Joe Rogan would describe himself as being
Speaker 1: pundit um like I don't know, try guy, try guy,
Speaker 1: Like uh, like the dojak had has been canceled for
Speaker 1: the second time now as of this recording, which is
Speaker 1: just like and it's like a more minor version of
Speaker 1: that where it's just like right, well, it's also like
Speaker 1: I think when people here's what I mean. I think, like,
Speaker 1: here's my hot take on the Laana thing is like
Speaker 1: I think that it's it does go to like a
Speaker 1: universal thing about structural inequalities and like you could connect
Speaker 1: it to this larger thing about like, let me just
Speaker 1: say this about Lana del Rey. And everybody probably knows
Speaker 1: that I've never really been that into Laana del Ray,
Speaker 1: but she it was clearly to me, it just seemed
Speaker 1: like a troll, like she was she has some things
Speaker 1: to sell. She knew that she she saw what happened
Speaker 1: with Alice and Roman. She very you know, she wanted publicity.
Speaker 1: She knew that the people who like her will see,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think she's I think she's smart,
Speaker 1: but I don't think she's smart in that way. I
Speaker 1: think she's actually kind of dumb in that. And I
Speaker 1: see that. I actually see those conspiracy theories pop up
Speaker 1: a lot where people are like, this is a publicity
Speaker 1: strategy where they're trying to get canceled for like publicity
Speaker 1: or whatever, um, And I don't think anyone's ever actually
Speaker 1: done that. I think that's like a big foot of things.
Speaker 1: I don't know, guys, I just feel like it was
Speaker 1: so it was so I mean when she said like
Speaker 1: I'm just a glamorous person, and like when you know,
Speaker 1: even her follow up where she was like I'm just
Speaker 1: saying like women who were very beautiful and delicate, I
Speaker 1: was like, you're just you cannot possibly be earnest about
Speaker 1: what you're saying, like you had they had to be
Speaker 1: in a really like misfired or even what. Maybe that
Speaker 1: was the goal. I'm not sure. I thought it was
Speaker 1: like super offensive and dumb, But as someone who's not
Speaker 1: a huge fan of Laana Delry, I was just like, oh,
Speaker 1: it just seems as though she's trying to grab attention
Speaker 1: anyway she can. The thing is, I will go on
Speaker 1: the record as saying I love everything she said. If
Speaker 1: she took out other people's name, she didn't need to,
Speaker 1: like I I am, I am there for a late
Speaker 1: night Laanna drop of just I've been thinking about this.
Speaker 1: This is why people have misunderstand me. I mean, like,
Speaker 1: that's what you want out of an artist. I feel
Speaker 1: like as somebody who's just like you, guys don't understand,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think you need to bring up other
Speaker 1: artists in that conversation. I think she drew attention to
Speaker 1: something not necessarily on purpose. I think she was just
Speaker 1: comparing herself to those artists and being because popular to
Speaker 1: be three dimensional and like you know, portraylor sexuality on
Speaker 1: their own terms and like I'm one of these women.
Speaker 1: But you don't think that the way that she contrasted
Speaker 1: like mostly women of color and kind of like acting
Speaker 1: as if they were not somehow like you know, in
Speaker 1: control of the message that they were sending, whereas she
Speaker 1: she was, Oh, she's like beautiful and feminine and delicate
Speaker 1: when she does it. Here's where I think, like, I
Speaker 1: think she always just steps into like uh, psychologic the
Speaker 1: American psyche hornet nests that exists everywhere. So like, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what she meant. I'm giving her a
Speaker 1: benefit of a doubt here obviously, um, but I do
Speaker 1: think that she inadvertently drew attention to something that's extremely true,
Speaker 1: which is that like, because of racism, like white women
Speaker 1: are always viewed as like more fragile and delicate and
Speaker 1: breakable and like and have more nuanced to that experience,
Speaker 1: and like that is because people overstate the sort of
Speaker 1: like the you know, the strength and maturity of black
Speaker 1: women from a very young age and the sexuality. That's
Speaker 1: just a structural racism issue to me. That again, I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what she was saying, but I do
Speaker 1: think I was like thinking about it a lot afterwards. No, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think if most women, who like non
Speaker 1: white women were singing about being in abusive relationships and
Speaker 1: being helpless, it would be yes, it would be treated
Speaker 1: very differently by christ Well. I was like trying to
Speaker 1: think of, like what's the closest, who's the you know,
Speaker 1: who's an artist who's like a black woman who's like
Speaker 1: like Lona del Rey and like fka Twigs is the
Speaker 1: person I came up with where I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: and I love her obviously, but you know, I kept
Speaker 1: thinking about how like Beyonce, like people they're like age
Speaker 1: truthers about Beyonce because nobody believed she could be like
Speaker 1: so mature. Like even when Beyonce was seventeen, she did
Speaker 1: not get treated like a lowlita. She got treated like
Speaker 1: an adult sort of. So that was the thing too,
Speaker 1: is I was just like the you know, like I
Speaker 1: don't I couldn't think of like an artist who is
Speaker 1: like a like a black musician who got you to
Speaker 1: like a lolita. The only one I could really think
Speaker 1: of was like Aaliyah. And even then the whole thing
Speaker 1: was like that. It was like she's mature beyond her
Speaker 1: her age. So I think again, it's like she was
Speaker 1: she brought attention to something about racism and femininity that
Speaker 1: I don't think was her intention to bring up that conversation.
Speaker 1: But I'm also like we should have that, and nobody's
Speaker 1: having that conversation also now, like everybody's having the dumbest conversation.
Speaker 1: I was, well, that was the thing too. I was like,
Speaker 1: that's the way in which I'm like when we get
Speaker 1: into these conversations about like with Alison Roman too, about
Speaker 1: just like cultural appropriation and food and like the global
Speaker 1: pantry and like who gets to be the face of things,
Speaker 1: you know, And then last night, like the Ariana Grande
Speaker 1: and uh Lady Gaga song came out and I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm too tired to deal with thinking about like how
Speaker 1: this is like them, you know, like Madonna, like a
Speaker 1: white Italian woman appropriating house music, and then they're like
Speaker 1: just appropriating from Madonna, you know, like they're just doing
Speaker 1: like if the music was appropriated like so long ago.
Speaker 1: It just broke my brain and I was just like
Speaker 1: I just want to listen to the song and not
Speaker 1: think about this right now. And I think that's how
Speaker 1: most people feel. There's a limitation to an appropriation conversation,
Speaker 1: which is not to say that you can't have an
Speaker 1: appropriation conversation. You just have to know that that's not
Speaker 1: that you can't explain everything with I think there's also
Speaker 1: things that fall in between that are fusion genuinely, you know,
Speaker 1: like especially there's a lot of that in Los Angeles
Speaker 1: because there's so much um. I think the intention does
Speaker 1: matter and who's doing it does matter very much. Um,
Speaker 1: but I'm also like I don't know, like maybe like
Speaker 1: law No will talk to some people about this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but there's some stuff. This goes back to what I'm
Speaker 1: saying about everybody being a cop is that when you
Speaker 1: when you bring a concept like cultural appropriation into the
Speaker 1: mainstream and now like young people who are consumers of
Speaker 1: pop music know about what that is in a very
Speaker 1: kind of one oh one way and can use it
Speaker 1: and and be conversant in it, then it very quickly
Speaker 1: can just become out well as this appropriation or not
Speaker 1: as opposed to like this is a dynamic that can
Speaker 1: be going on in this work. Intention matters, All of
Speaker 1: that matters, Like this isn't politics, this isn't law I
Speaker 1: think this is in two is It's like just like
Speaker 1: I don't want my politicians to be celebrities, Like I
Speaker 1: don't need my celebrities to be politicals, you know, And honestly,
Speaker 1: like I interviewed Laana like a year ago, and I
Speaker 1: was totally nervous about it for so many reasons because
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, what if we don't get along,
Speaker 1: Like what if this makes me feel differently about her?
Speaker 1: Or like, you know, she doesn't like me never meet
Speaker 1: your idols, but really, well it was great actually, and
Speaker 1: I told her to listen to Night Call at the end,
Speaker 1: and she was everything. She gave me a tip on
Speaker 1: a ghost tour that I'll reveal someday. I mean, look,
Speaker 1: I I I really carefully didn't say. I mean, I'm
Speaker 1: not on Twitter that much these days anyway, But I
Speaker 1: think it's it's important to also understand that you can
Speaker 1: have thoughts about what people are saying or doing and
Speaker 1: not necessarily air them. Right now, we're so isolated that
Speaker 1: it feels like the only way we have a conversation
Speaker 1: is to do it on in public. But I think
Speaker 1: I do think that you guys are being very generous
Speaker 1: to Alana, which I don't think is wrong to do.
Speaker 1: I do think though that you know, I do think
Speaker 1: it's it's not really giving her enough credit as like
Speaker 1: a person who is good at marketing herself to say
Speaker 1: that she wouldn't have done this to get publicity, even
Speaker 1: if it, like, I think it was tremendously misguided if
Speaker 1: that was the case, but it's a possibility. It's not
Speaker 1: it's not like crazy three D Chess, like she she's
Speaker 1: done a good job of marketing herself. There's something to
Speaker 1: me where it's like I prefer for somebody to like
Speaker 1: funk up on their own terms occasionally then to like
Speaker 1: just be perfect everything perfect can always be, always be
Speaker 1: in character and like selling it. Like that's the thing too.
Speaker 1: But like when I did meet Lana, I was like, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's not a persona like that is. This is just
Speaker 1: who she is, Like she is a glamorous person. You
Speaker 1: guys like, yeah, I don't know, though it can get
Speaker 1: for as I mean, I'm a white person who's saying this,
Speaker 1: but I do think that it's still important to say that.
Speaker 1: Like we give people like Lana's Delray and Alison Roman
Speaker 1: like the benefit of the doubt almost all the time,
Speaker 1: Like they benefit from so much good will that sometimes
Speaker 1: when they make a mistake and people jump to defend them,
Speaker 1: you know, I I feel a little bit like uncomfortable
Speaker 1: with that because it just feels like that's what happens
Speaker 1: all the time to me, Like it shouldn't be. You know.
Speaker 1: I also think you can like unfold slowly, And that's
Speaker 1: the thing too, is I think making the verdict, having
Speaker 1: the verdict on any of these controversies like the day
Speaker 1: it happens, which is what happens, and that's the day
Speaker 1: of the locust aspect is like just people swarming online
Speaker 1: to be like schadenfreude of something, you know. Um, but
Speaker 1: it sometimes takes like weeks and then sometimes things that
Speaker 1: are good happen out of these things. I would like
Speaker 1: to think, Um yeah, maybe maybe people get canceled for
Speaker 1: a reason. Also, I think that there's never I mean,
Speaker 1: it's the apology that kind of like manufactured apology, just
Speaker 1: like you guys said, you know, you don't need your
Speaker 1: celebrities dB politicians, like it doesn't need to be that
Speaker 1: like and and it's never right when people do that.
Speaker 1: It always feels like it came out of a box
Speaker 1: or something like that. But I mean, I yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't know. I think like white people and white women
Speaker 1: especially can always be like learning about their own ignorance
Speaker 1: and the limitations of what they think is their generous
Speaker 1: you know, inclusivity. And that's something I've been thinking about
Speaker 1: a lot this year anyway, So I think it's something
Speaker 1: that needs to be talked about in the culture. Um.
Speaker 1: I think Lana's mistake is to think it was to
Speaker 1: put it in like a post racial context where it's like,
Speaker 1: I am just like all of these black women who
Speaker 1: are great artists, very naive of her, very naive of her.
Speaker 1: But that seems very on brand. That's something more on
Speaker 1: brand to me than like that she was trolling. I
Speaker 1: think she just was like, we're all the same, and
Speaker 1: we're all talking about our sexuality and how we're delicate
Speaker 1: sometimes and strong sometimes. And this is also like a
Speaker 1: privilege of being where she is and being a little
Speaker 1: bit distanced from and not being on Twitter all the
Speaker 1: time all the time. She's like not a very online person,
Speaker 1: and I don't think that she like is really tuned
Speaker 1: into this at all, and it is this it's a
Speaker 1: big blind spot for her. Yeah, And I think that
Speaker 1: when you know that is a thing that like women questioning,
Speaker 1: like interrogating the dynamics of especially heterosexuality in music is
Speaker 1: gonna sound fucked up a lot of the time. Um,
Speaker 1: And that doesn't mean it's it's you know, glorifying it
Speaker 1: in some way. The other thing I thought about at
Speaker 1: the end of the night was that I remember that
Speaker 1: Joni Mitchell did black face the cover of an album,
Speaker 1: and like war black face parties a bunch. Apparently in
Speaker 1: a certain time period. Now, Joni mitchell Is has also
Speaker 1: become I mean the things that she says even recently,
Speaker 1: although that is probably due to you know, not recently,
Speaker 1: like since she became very ill, but in the in
Speaker 1: the past decade or whatever, she she says some wild shit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was just like man kids today. I don't even
Speaker 1: know about what people didn't get canceled for in the seventies,
Speaker 1: Like everybody was being racist right and left, and they're
Speaker 1: all played on classic rock stations. So hopefully we're just
Speaker 1: we're on a positive trajectory right now. We can only
Speaker 1: go up right right things. We can only make running up,
Speaker 1: running up that, running up, will I will I will um.
Speaker 1: We're gonna take a quick break and when we come back,
Speaker 1: we're gonna wrap up a wild and wonderful y t MA.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Night Carl. We have a voicemail from Amy.
Speaker 1: We wanted to play high night Call. This is Amy
Speaker 1: from Stoke on Trent in jolly old England. Not so
Speaker 1: jolly at the moment, So there's time long time following
Speaker 1: the episode talking about why two K Aesthetic. Molly was
Speaker 1: kind enough to remind me of the artist Molly Soda,
Speaker 1: who you guys have mentioned a couple of times, And
Speaker 1: as I was scrolling through a Molly sodas Instagram feed,
Speaker 1: I saw that she's actually scandard uploaded all her old fanzines,
Speaker 1: and that prompted me to It really kind of took
Speaker 1: you back to thinking about how fanzines we're such a
Speaker 1: huge part of. So we'll still she's still such a
Speaker 1: huge part of the late nines and early two thousands,
Speaker 1: that kind of Y two K culture. So I was
Speaker 1: about fourteen, sort of fourteen fifteen in like thousand, and
Speaker 1: fanzine is like a huge huge part of my kind
Speaker 1: of um social life, if you want to a better word.
Speaker 1: And it's really interesting thinking about how the Internet was,
Speaker 1: you know, was becoming more of a thing, and I
Speaker 1: was spending a lot of time on particularly music forums,
Speaker 1: and kind of like d I y U culture was
Speaker 1: kind of moving onto you to step, but there was
Speaker 1: still this real love and attachment to fanzines. Um. And Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's kind of really interesting thinking about to these like
Speaker 1: I was like healthy and days of just rushing home
Speaker 1: from school and been desperate to see if something had
Speaker 1: arrived like on the on my porch to see see that.
Speaker 1: You know, some messages from the great beyond outside of
Speaker 1: Stoke on trent Um and fantines like sutally huge part
Speaker 1: of my life that they actually helped me decide where
Speaker 1: I wanted to go to university more college, as you
Speaker 1: know you guys would say, Um yeah, there's actually my
Speaker 1: favorite fanzine was a short lived series called Paranoia and
Speaker 1: it was produced in Manchester and it was kind of
Speaker 1: all about the Manchester indie scene and d I y
Speaker 1: scene and riot girl and a feminist culture and that
Speaker 1: was what made me decide to go to Manchester to um,
Speaker 1: to study and to basically live my goddamn life. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: so maybe fanzines is something you might want to just
Speaker 1: like touch on a little bit. I don't know whether
Speaker 1: you guys are any particularly of experience or if you
Speaker 1: were all digital kids. Um so yeah. So um that's
Speaker 1: my night call. So thank you very much, love the part, bye,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the car amy. Um, this
Speaker 1: is great. I feel like I was a little too
Speaker 1: young to truly be an interzine culture around this time,
Speaker 1: though I there was a zine shop I remember going
Speaker 1: to not infrequently in my hometown but um, it was
Speaker 1: not like I would say, the Internet was more of
Speaker 1: that sort of you know, sending out your signal, finding
Speaker 1: your people type thing for me around then. I guess
Speaker 1: that means I was a digital kid. What about you guys?
Speaker 1: Did you guys sunk around with me? I thought of
Speaker 1: ziness like a jen Xe thing for sure, So it
Speaker 1: was like I had heard of them, but nobody I
Speaker 1: knew made scenes. My friend Caitlin and I would like
Speaker 1: try to make a zine sometimes when we hung out,
Speaker 1: but we didn't actually print anything. There's definitely some Zene
Speaker 1: culture and Providence because it's like always kind of the
Speaker 1: nineties and Providence. Yeah. I think that was like the
Speaker 1: situation in Iowa City too, especially at being like everybody's
Speaker 1: like a want to be writer and wanted to be
Speaker 1: a little hemanway, so everybody was like publishing their short stories.
Speaker 1: And they've definitely come back really hard because in response
Speaker 1: to people being sick of digital stuff. Yeah, and and
Speaker 1: also so people's outlets, like the outlets just shrinking rapidly
Speaker 1: from where you can put that stuff. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: like all they have at the Art book Fair now,
Speaker 1: which is very I've really been enjoying seeing how znes
Speaker 1: have kind of come onto Instagram and and the web
Speaker 1: as well, because I know, like Edith Zimmerman Um was
Speaker 1: doing spiral Bound on medium that we're all, you know,
Speaker 1: like hand drawn comics, and then she also has um
Speaker 1: she she publishes her own kind of comics on Instagram,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, this is this makes me
Speaker 1: so nostalgic. Even though I wasn't a fanzine p I
Speaker 1: was also like a digital kid. But now that they
Speaker 1: are kind of coming back, they teach them in my
Speaker 1: son's art class, and our friend Kate Raft has given
Speaker 1: us znes and I was like, I need to start
Speaker 1: making znes and like it's nice to see them coming back.
Speaker 1: I feel like we're actually a little bit older than Amy,
Speaker 1: maybe based on I think she was fourteen she said
Speaker 1: maybe in y two k Um, which we were a
Speaker 1: little bit like we were like roughly the same, a
Speaker 1: little bit older. Uh, but yeah, I think in l
Speaker 1: A like it just it was for sure that when
Speaker 1: we went to Providence, I remember going to the record
Speaker 1: store into the bookstore and being like zines zins well
Speaker 1: also like she was talking specifically about fanzines, and I
Speaker 1: think that's very different. Like I think, I think of well,
Speaker 1: maybe I'm wrong on this. I just remember all the
Speaker 1: znes that I was exposed to around them mostly being
Speaker 1: like funny stuff and like writing like people's short stories.
Speaker 1: They definitely yeah, they sold some fanzines at Tower Records.
Speaker 1: You just like uncovered something in my brain. It was
Speaker 1: like there were some sort of like you know, just
Speaker 1: and some of them were like retro fanzines yet where
Speaker 1: they were like small press, but they were like I
Speaker 1: remember there was like a power Pop one um and
Speaker 1: possibly a Monkeys one see all my I I feel
Speaker 1: like the equivalent that like the overlaps with that era
Speaker 1: and basically ends up not exactly replacing it because it
Speaker 1: didn't stick around long enough, but just sort of like
Speaker 1: carrying the torch for word is like the Geo Cities
Speaker 1: page like that that sort of ended up kind of
Speaker 1: evolving that format because I had geoc these pages and
Speaker 1: like fan sites for different like animal shows and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, you know, and just like gathering all your
Speaker 1: j pigs and putting them in a in a row
Speaker 1: and having a MIDI song play when you log onto
Speaker 1: the site, like that's that's my that was my intro
Speaker 1: to web, the web basically, but it's fun though. I
Speaker 1: love that people have been sharing the things that they've
Speaker 1: been that they associate with Y two k um because
Speaker 1: Amy is in England and was talking about how she
Speaker 1: wanted to go to you know, Manchester because of the fans.
Speaker 1: I love like hearing stuff like that because it's so specific.
Speaker 1: But you know, we tend to think of why two
Speaker 1: ks we associated with, like what we were dealing with
Speaker 1: at the time, and everybody has such like sweet stories
Speaker 1: of I mean right now, the past is just sweet
Speaker 1: in general. Y two k past. Yeah, I love to
Speaker 1: live in the past. Super health suit all the time,
Speaker 1: just just that feeling of long and so indicative of
Speaker 1: great mental health. And on that note, let's take a
Speaker 1: call from listener John greatly. This is John, I think
Speaker 1: humiliated the most listeners, and I do recall the year
Speaker 1: two thousand. It's very significant as you folks are talking about.
Speaker 1: The big issue initially was computers and they're supposed failure
Speaker 1: as we moved from two thousand. I would call him
Speaker 1: not being too worried about that though, because I thought
Speaker 1: if the banks lost my checking and savings accounts, they
Speaker 1: can also lose my mortgage and maybe I'd come out ahead.
Speaker 1: But the concerned about computers was everywhere, and some people
Speaker 1: even claiming, I don't know if you are aware of this,
Speaker 1: that WWW for Worldwide Web was actually six six six.
Speaker 1: Since the sixth letter of the Hebrew alphabet the vove
Speaker 1: the rough equivalent of the English bubble, you meant that
Speaker 1: WWW was the mark of the Antichrist, that the web
Speaker 1: was actually Satanic. So the general concern over these matters
Speaker 1: did extend to more apocalyptic worries. My mother in law
Speaker 1: was going to fill all of her sinks and bathtubs
Speaker 1: with water to prepare in case for some reason there
Speaker 1: was no more water. Um. But the whole town of
Speaker 1: the millennium really was leading up to it, especially in
Speaker 1: the late nineties, really was a big deal and actually
Speaker 1: a taught apocalyptic literature. So there's all these movies that
Speaker 1: were coming out back then, like End of Days, Lost Souls,
Speaker 1: Blessed the Child, Fallen, Last Night, Stigma, Mega Code, and
Speaker 1: of course Buffy was on television and all of these, Um,
Speaker 1: we're really driving into people's consciousness. A students kept bringing
Speaker 1: up all of these movies teaching apocalyptic literature at that time. Was.
Speaker 1: It was actually pretty cool. Um. I just wanted to
Speaker 1: mention something too about the millennium. It's not exactly based on,
Speaker 1: you know, the time Jesus was born, which is actually
Speaker 1: more like four to six BC actually or BC um,
Speaker 1: but it stems from these passages in Revelation twenty three
Speaker 1: to seven where it talks about the millennium and take
Speaker 1: me being loose in things, and that's where we get millennarianism,
Speaker 1: and and from the Greek chilia for a thousand Achilleyism
Speaker 1: or Achilliyism. People have been calculating these times from almost
Speaker 1: the beginning of Christianity. Those those numbers, that thousand numbers
Speaker 1: just driven people a little mad. Anyways, thanks for hy
Speaker 1: to take and help to keep on listening. But excellent call.
Speaker 1: Hit every single hit, all the basis everything I like
Speaker 1: in a good call. We got Arnold sportsneger of a
Speaker 1: some Hebrew alphabet, uh, the erroneous conspiracies uh, and uh,
Speaker 1: the true meaning of of of the millennium and millennialism.
Speaker 1: So yeah, great car, thank you so much. I want
Speaker 1: to teach apocalyptic literature class. Yeah yeah, I thought I
Speaker 1: did not know about this w ww me neither. I've
Speaker 1: never heard that, but I love it. I believe it completely.
Speaker 1: I did find a site that, uh, it's like it
Speaker 1: looks like a very oh yeah, it's copyright N Dial
Speaker 1: the Truth Ministries, UM. And it's like the U r
Speaker 1: L is like a V sleven dot org slash six
Speaker 1: six six slash WWW six six six UM so cool
Speaker 1: cool uh And it's it says uh and it's just
Speaker 1: like clearing up whether www s six six six. I
Speaker 1: mean they thought everything was six six six back then.
Speaker 1: That was like the tail end of Satanic panic, but
Speaker 1: it was still around. Yeah, but like techno satanic panic
Speaker 1: the best, yeah, vav vav. But even this uh site
Speaker 1: which oh my god, this has this form at the bottom.
Speaker 1: This is I'm like discovering a wonderful time capsule in
Speaker 1: real time and has a form at the bottom that says,
Speaker 1: tell some friends about this page and then you put
Speaker 1: in your email and then your friend's email, and then
Speaker 1: you push the button to send it to them, UM,
Speaker 1: send it to us, okay, on sleeve. But Dial the
Speaker 1: Truth Ministries. It does actually seem to be U tamping
Speaker 1: down concerns over this. You know. At the end, it's
Speaker 1: just says, should I be concerned with www six six
Speaker 1: six answered no, I love whatever churches are, Like, what
Speaker 1: are the kids in two now? Like it is satanic?
Speaker 1: We must warn them. Um, I'm sure there's something like
Speaker 1: this about TikTok. I was gonna say, TikTok is is
Speaker 1: exactly the thing people are concerned to say, because it's
Speaker 1: because you know, it's six letters, TikTok. Yeah, that's it,
Speaker 1: that's it. They live in hell houses up the street
Speaker 1: from Emily. Molly. You had a little Y two k
Speaker 1: nugget from our past that you want to Yeah, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to force tests to remember that we were
Speaker 1: in a high school show where we sang a cover
Speaker 1: of nineteen for the lyrics were changed to Uh was
Speaker 1: dreaming when I wrote this, so forgive me if it
Speaker 1: goes astray. But when I woke up this morning could
Speaker 1: have sworn it was Y two k. Oh. That was
Speaker 1: the same musical review show where I had a panic
Speaker 1: attack and I had like a little mini solo in
Speaker 1: one of our numbers, and on one night I just
Speaker 1: didn't do it. I just couldn't do it. I just
Speaker 1: hung out backstage and pretended that it hadn't happened at all.
Speaker 1: Good times. Thanks for reminding me, Molly. Sorry, I was
Speaker 1: just like, hey, traumatic memory to just end the show perfect, um.
Speaker 1: So we wanted to wrap up Why Too May by
Speaker 1: talking about about prepping and kind of you know, obviously
Speaker 1: Why two K didn't start the phenomenon of prepping, but
Speaker 1: I think it probably brought it into the popular consciousness
Speaker 1: and in a way that it hadn't been before and
Speaker 1: kind of made it something people your average person was
Speaker 1: aware of, is a thing that you could do and test.
Speaker 1: Dug up a really great White two K preparedness video
Speaker 1: that appears to just be from uh that's yeah again
Speaker 1: a great time capsule um, and also like just sort
Speaker 1: of feels like now just best practices. It doesn't feel
Speaker 1: that crazy any of the stuff in the video of
Speaker 1: even the fact that we now know that Why two
Speaker 1: K didn't result in any power outages, but I thought
Speaker 1: it was it was really uh interesting to watch it
Speaker 1: did say that, um in the In the description, it
Speaker 1: also says this that it had tips about emergency water
Speaker 1: sources such as snow sure water heaters uh huh, toilet
Speaker 1: tanks and water beds. Of course, at the turn of
Speaker 1: this entry were still a thing, and now it seemed
Speaker 1: to no longer be I mean some of this stuff,
Speaker 1: I feel like it's also just on deck in l
Speaker 1: A all the time because the earthquakes and fires. Um,
Speaker 1: we definitely got a ton of earthquake preparedness drills and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. That was all of the emergency stuff
Speaker 1: we got, was like about earthquakes, and then there was
Speaker 1: the ninety four quake was a big, a big emergency. Um,
Speaker 1: but I didn't I don't feel like people gott into
Speaker 1: being preppers after that. I feel like the same thing
Speaker 1: always happens, which is that people don't go to buy
Speaker 1: water until there's already like the water shortage. And I
Speaker 1: noticed that with this too, or it was like, you know,
Speaker 1: that's why we had the grocery shortage issues because people
Speaker 1: were just like, oh, I don't have anything in my
Speaker 1: house if I can't leave it, Well there's I mean,
Speaker 1: I think an interesting difference with this video, even though
Speaker 1: it is from versus like us today in l A,
Speaker 1: is that it was posted by the Detroit Historical Society.
Speaker 1: So this is like a local p s A in
Speaker 1: from the city of Detroit, and so it is very
Speaker 1: it's talking very specifically about like environmental conditions that one
Speaker 1: would experience. A few were in Detroit in January of
Speaker 1: two thousand, which you know would be winter, so they
Speaker 1: are talking about snow, they're talking about like making sure
Speaker 1: you stay warm. I mean, I remember a freak blizzard
Speaker 1: UM hit Tacoma and Seattle when I was a kid,
Speaker 1: and UM knocked out our power for in my memory
Speaker 1: it was a week. It was probably just a few days,
Speaker 1: but it was a long time, and we didn't have heat,
Speaker 1: and we didn't have electricity or anything, and uh and
Speaker 1: really had to like figure out how to live day
Speaker 1: to day and to stay warm. And it was that
Speaker 1: was sort of my only real encounter with that kind
Speaker 1: of environmental reality of of losing the grid. But um, yeah,
Speaker 1: like the what you stood to have to go through
Speaker 1: in why two k and in Detroit versus California was
Speaker 1: obviously very different. Yeah. I think, Um, when I was
Speaker 1: looking through y two k detritus to try to figure
Speaker 1: out some weird things about, you know, how people were
Speaker 1: like preppers and what they did. One of the things
Speaker 1: that kept popping up was this article. And I guess
Speaker 1: it had like a I didn't listen to the audio
Speaker 1: from it from CBC Radio this is that section. Man
Speaker 1: emergency emerges from a bunker. Fourteen years after Y two,
Speaker 1: k scare with a picture of this grizzled dude. Uh
Speaker 1: and it says that the caption under his photo. After
Speaker 1: being away from society for fourteen years, Norman Feller is
Speaker 1: most impressed with KFC's double down Sandway. I saw reposted
Speaker 1: a bunch of places completely bought it for about that
Speaker 1: was like, no, they're having a choke in me. But
Speaker 1: a lot of people just totally just totally spread this
Speaker 1: as news. Um. I think it was just last Bunny
Speaker 1: Past come out again. That's like the atomics but it's
Speaker 1: all like that. Yeah, that was Yeah, blast from the
Speaker 1: Past came out because everybody was still expecting like the
Speaker 1: flying cars future in the year two thousand and then
Speaker 1: it became clear that that wasn't going to be here yet. Um,
Speaker 1: but maybe like a big computer glitch is something that
Speaker 1: will transform society. Did you guys have a fallout shelter
Speaker 1: in your school? Knew, No, we did. It was it
Speaker 1: felt like a little vestige of another era. It was
Speaker 1: a pretty old building. Yeah. I've definitely noticed like in
Speaker 1: buildings in New York and Queens. I remember the last
Speaker 1: time I was there, I noticed a lot of like
Speaker 1: just things announcing that the building had a fallout shelter.
Speaker 1: And having gone to the Atomic Museum, there was definitely
Speaker 1: a time obviously when that was like something everybody thought
Speaker 1: every home should have. It was like, you know, the
Speaker 1: standards for building in California. Now just to lis stand quakes,
Speaker 1: you know, just I mean that that give or whatever.
Speaker 1: I don't know if those things would actually protect you
Speaker 1: from an atomic bombs. Oh yeah, luckily we know now.
Speaker 1: I don't remember if I already talked about this on
Speaker 1: the podcast, but I watched Mattenee the other day. Again. Perfect,
Speaker 1: it's the perfect movie to rewatch now. Mattenee, in many says,
Speaker 1: is a perfect movie. Oh my god, so good. It's
Speaker 1: about atomic age, hysteria and horror movies in the fifties
Speaker 1: and B movies. Um, and there's a fallout shelter where
Speaker 1: some some teens get trapped and have a nice little
Speaker 1: makeout session. But yeah, it's it's really it's weird how
Speaker 1: cyclical the these kind of regardless of whether there's a
Speaker 1: pandemic or a disaster that actually plays out. It is
Speaker 1: really kind of something you don't think about often how cyclical, Uh,
Speaker 1: these kind of things are, these these strong human reaction,
Speaker 1: these cycles of fear, kind of kind of noticing how
Speaker 1: similarly people react every time UM, but it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: to matter whether the thing actually happens or not in
Speaker 1: terms of like what we learned from it. I guess
Speaker 1: it's so cyclical that it almost just feels like a mainstay,
Speaker 1: Like it's not something we ever really fully get away from.
Speaker 1: Because I was just thinking about, like ten years ago,
Speaker 1: I was really into like observing the the like apocalypse
Speaker 1: pop phenomenon, where like every single song had something in
Speaker 1: it about like this is the end of the world,
Speaker 1: if this is the last night we have like etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Like it was just this recurring theme of all the
Speaker 1: pop hits UM. And then I actually saw recently like
Speaker 1: this somewhat unrelated, but New York Times posted like a
Speaker 1: playlist of UM climate change pop that includes a smash
Speaker 1: Mouse all star, but like it's a it's a my
Speaker 1: World's on fire? How about yours? That's change? Well, the
Speaker 1: ice we skate is getting thin. We also had a
Speaker 1: smash Mouth. We had a smash mounth song on our
Speaker 1: y k X, so we challenged The New York Times
Speaker 1: to a publicity feud. But there's also like they put
Speaker 1: in this pit Bull song called global Warming because people
Speaker 1: put out album called Global Warming in twelve and it's
Speaker 1: like actually, like they interviewed him in this piece and
Speaker 1: it made me almost cry just because I love pit
Speaker 1: Bull so much. It's just Mr Worldwide, but he was
Speaker 1: just talking about like he you know, he's from Miami,
Speaker 1: like he and he's very concerned about this stuff, and
Speaker 1: he's just like I wanted to like bring it into
Speaker 1: the public discourse. So I thought if it was like
Speaker 1: a dance song people would dance too and put words
Speaker 1: like climate change in global warring into the dance songs,
Speaker 1: then maybe people would be ready to talk about it more. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I just think it's it's it's constantly interesting
Speaker 1: to see how this stuff plays out. And like even
Speaker 1: like we put we put Till the World Ends on
Speaker 1: the playlist, the Britney Spears song and the video of
Speaker 1: that I love is just like about living in sewers,
Speaker 1: like for the end times. It's just it's been a
Speaker 1: it's been a it's a it's a mainstay love living
Speaker 1: in the sewer. This is this podcast will turn into
Speaker 1: a teenage Ninja Turtles, the original TikTok house the sewer
Speaker 1: where the Ninja Turtles live. Um, but I kind of
Speaker 1: wanted to just talk you wrap up this month by
Speaker 1: just talking about prepping specifically, because it is it has
Speaker 1: weirdly become the the facet of y to K mania
Speaker 1: that we like maybe are living in. With the reference,
Speaker 1: I think we talked about this little bit last week.
Speaker 1: But yeah, the people who were the most hardcore preppers
Speaker 1: are the same people that want the country to like
Speaker 1: reopen immediately because they don't actually experience that much inconvenience
Speaker 1: or oppression in their lives, so they interpret this as
Speaker 1: against their freedoms. In some ways, I think everyone has
Speaker 1: no did that there's like only a certain amount of
Speaker 1: time you can spend in your own mind and in
Speaker 1: your own house, um, before going crazy. So I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people's cozy catastrophe fantasy about what the
Speaker 1: end times will be like have been like put to
Speaker 1: the test here of like, well, if you still can
Speaker 1: go outside, are you going to like? Probably, Um, I
Speaker 1: doubt anyone will be coming out of their COVID bunker
Speaker 1: to get a double down. Fourteen years later, they want
Speaker 1: those double downs right the funk Now that's the whole thing.
Speaker 1: They're like, they're like, reopen the KFC by me as
Speaker 1: a dining in restaurant because it's not it's not the same.
Speaker 1: And there's been people like there's been psychotic people like
Speaker 1: spitting it, drive through workers and stuffy. Um. It hadn't
Speaker 1: occurred to me that spitting would become like one of
Speaker 1: the most violent acts you could do in a pandemic.
Speaker 1: Just coughing in people's faces. Yeah, that is just hit
Speaker 1: us now. I don't know. The melancholia will come when
Speaker 1: we least expect it. Um. Well, I enjoyed revisiting in
Speaker 1: the year two thousand this past month with you guys. Uh.
Speaker 1: It was both in both edifying for what we're going
Speaker 1: through now. I'm kind of weirdly escapist too, so I
Speaker 1: hope everybody who listened enjoyed as well. Yeah, and thank
Speaker 1: you to everybody who wrote in and called in, because
Speaker 1: we I think we've actually gotten more calls and emails
Speaker 1: for this topic than any other and it was really
Speaker 1: great to hear from you guys. We would love to
Speaker 1: start incorporating this many calls and emails in future theme
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us for ye too, may uh we
Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. I'll see y'all next week. See you
Speaker 1: in the next millennium.