WEBVTT - Insomnia: Why you can't sleep

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck and jerryse here. We're all feeling bright eyed and

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<v Speaker 1>bushy tailed in chipperd. Why aren't you not me?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sleepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you really sleepy?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>How do you sleep?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, like side sleeper or just generally? Yeah, Uh, my

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<v Speaker 2>sleep is pretty good. I get up a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>go potty too, but I've gotten way better, probably since

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<v Speaker 2>I've had a kid, of being able to fall back

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<v Speaker 2>asleep pretty easily, whereas I used to not be so

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<v Speaker 2>good at that. And that's a real key to getting

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<v Speaker 2>good sleep is because very few people I think adults

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<v Speaker 2>are I mean some are, but are just so sound

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<v Speaker 2>that they're just rocks through the night. You gotta be

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<v Speaker 2>able to get back to sleep. If you start thinking

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<v Speaker 2>about stuff, then your toast.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, some people have trouble falling back asleep. Some people, chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>get this, have trouble falling asleep initially.

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<v Speaker 2>Even I have a lot of empathy for people with

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<v Speaker 2>chronic insomnia, which we're talking about insomnia. It just sounds

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<v Speaker 2>like a terrible thing. Uh. We've talked about fatal familie insomnia. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and we've talked about like how much sleep do people need?

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<v Speaker 2>That was one of the early early ones.

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<v Speaker 1>And is science phasing out sleep? That was about new tropics.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I was really surprised that we hadn't just

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<v Speaker 2>done a regular old insomnia. But big thanks to the

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<v Speaker 2>National Institute of Health and Sleep Foundation. Yes, our old

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<v Speaker 2>friends at houstuffworks dot com Okay, University of Pennsylvania, Harvard.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a lot of different sources for this one.

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<v Speaker 2>And here we go with insomnia.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I guess we're starting, everybody. It was a pre amble,

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<v Speaker 1>so I thought that this definition of insomnia was about

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<v Speaker 1>as succinct as it can be. It's a sleep disorder

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<v Speaker 1>characterized by difficulty falling asleep, staying asleep, or both. This

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<v Speaker 1>is very important, even if you have ample time to

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<v Speaker 1>fall asleep or sleep, even if you have a bedroom

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<v Speaker 1>environment conducive to RESTful sleep. So you, guys, are everything

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<v Speaker 1>you need to sleep, and you still can't sleep, you

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<v Speaker 1>still can't stay asleep or both.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you, and we'll get to all the different kinds.

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<v Speaker 2>It gets a little confusing. Actually, I'm still not one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred percent sure how to classify the different types of insomnia.

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<v Speaker 1>I think they rolled it all together.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, true, But if you you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>live next door to or above an apartment above like

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<v Speaker 2>a loud club, or if you recently had like a

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<v Speaker 2>big shift in your work hours like these are all

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<v Speaker 2>reasons that you might not be able to get to

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<v Speaker 2>sleep and you may have insomnia. But and again we'll

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<v Speaker 2>go over all these and more detail. But that is

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<v Speaker 2>like a temporary or transient insomnia. Transient if it's if

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<v Speaker 2>it's really just a few days, like if you have

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<v Speaker 2>jet lag or something, and then if it's a few

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<v Speaker 2>days into it, like a week or two, then it

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<v Speaker 2>can then it travels to what's the other gun n

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<v Speaker 2>no no, no, acute insomnia and then chronic is the

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<v Speaker 2>the really really tough one.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, we'll break all that out, but we should

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<v Speaker 1>talk talk a little more about what happens with insomnia

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<v Speaker 1>and like what's required to actually get a diagnosis, because

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<v Speaker 1>it's not enough to show up and say like I'm

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<v Speaker 1>having trouble sleeping that you have to say I'm having

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<v Speaker 1>trouble sleeping and I can't finish the sentence during the

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<v Speaker 1>day because I'm so tired.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you also, the first thing your doctor is

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<v Speaker 2>going to say is like how much sleep you're getting,

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<v Speaker 2>because as we went over in are do you.

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<v Speaker 1>Really say sleep none?

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<v Speaker 2>Do you really need to sleep? Episode? And it's a

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<v Speaker 2>big swath. It's interesting when you look at the breakdown

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<v Speaker 2>of how much sleep you need as you age. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember what it was for preteen.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a million hours a day, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot, but thirteen to eighteen it's eight to ten hours.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they say between eighteen, once you hit eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>all the way up into sixty four years of age,

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<v Speaker 2>you need about six to eight hours. No, no, no, I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>seven to nine hours, right, and then once you get

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit older than sixty, that actually goes down

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<v Speaker 2>to seven to eight instead of seven to nine.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what sucks, though, is I saw not necessarily

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<v Speaker 1>that you need less sleep as you age, but that

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<v Speaker 1>you get less sleep as you age, whether you want

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<v Speaker 1>to or not, because your sleep deteriorates, your ability to

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<v Speaker 1>sleep deteriorates because your brain should over time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you and I know that you can testify

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<v Speaker 2>to this, but as you get older, the ability for

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<v Speaker 2>most people to sleep in is really what goes.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad for that. I've actually started getting up earlier

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<v Speaker 1>and earlier. And I like, no kidding, yeah, why I

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<v Speaker 1>know some of the time stamps on emails I've sent you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's not like I get alerts or anything. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not like you're waking me up. But I'll see emails

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<v Speaker 2>from you in like the six o four range. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>all right, Josh, is at it man.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, I've already had my coffee and gone for

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<v Speaker 1>a jog by then.

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<v Speaker 2>I get up early too, and I am glad for

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<v Speaker 2>it because I like mornings and I think a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of good work is done in the morning.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what I say.

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<v Speaker 2>If I can sleep until eight am, that's ah, that's a.

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<v Speaker 1>I would feel like I wasted the entire day if

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<v Speaker 1>I slept till eight.

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<v Speaker 2>I would feel like I.

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<v Speaker 1>Must have raved all night if I if I woke

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<v Speaker 1>up at eight.

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<v Speaker 2>But sometimes I'm the earliest riser in my house, like

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<v Speaker 2>on weekends. Emily can still sleep. I mean, she has

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<v Speaker 2>bouts of insomnia for sure, but when she sleeps, she

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<v Speaker 2>can she can rocket. Man, that's awesome. Yeah, ten o'clock

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<v Speaker 2>or so if I if it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>Pretty enviable, No kidding, Yeah, I haven't done that in

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<v Speaker 1>a really long long time.

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<v Speaker 2>How does um sleep?

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<v Speaker 1>She sleeps fine, I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>But does she get up earlier? Does she sleep a

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<v Speaker 2>little later?

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<v Speaker 1>She gets up, She's awake earlier then she gets up

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<v Speaker 1>because Momo sleeps in later.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's just like morning bed relaxation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and you doesn't want to disturb Mo because MO

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<v Speaker 1>will follow her out and like it'll it'll affect her

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<v Speaker 1>last like hour of sleep. So yeah, she hangs out

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<v Speaker 1>with mo and does less stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Amen. Uh that that that weekend spend that first hour

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<v Speaker 2>in bed doing stuff is very nice and relaxing totally.

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<v Speaker 1>You mean like you mean barbecue.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, So insomnia in Latin literally means no sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>and they had to settle on a number. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it really varies on how long it takes people to

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<v Speaker 2>fall asleep, obviously, but they had to get together finally

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<v Speaker 2>and say, we got to come up with a number

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<v Speaker 2>everybody for what you should shoot for. And what they

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<v Speaker 2>eventually landed on was twenty minutes to fall asleep is

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<v Speaker 2>what they consider sort of the quote unquote normal range,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're going well well beyond that, then you

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<v Speaker 2>may have insomnia.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, that's weird. Like I think that you usually

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<v Speaker 1>need thirty to forty five minutes to fall asleep, and

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if that's just on the nights where

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<v Speaker 1>you get sleep, or if that alone qualifies you for insomnia, because.

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<v Speaker 2>Because thirty didn't, I mean, that's only ten minute, it's more.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but that would qualify as difficulty falling asleep, which

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<v Speaker 1>The term for that is sleep on set insomnia.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's if you're really trying to go to sleep,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not laying there scrolling through your social medis.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, and we'll see that trying to go to sleep

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<v Speaker 1>can have like the a counterproductive effect on people with insomnia,

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<v Speaker 1>because there's a type of insomnia where you are worried

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<v Speaker 1>you're not going to get sleep so much that you

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<v Speaker 1>can't fall asleep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's one of the biggest I think things

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<v Speaker 2>about insomnia if you really have bad insomnia, is the

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<v Speaker 2>worry and even the in the hours before bedtime, people

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<v Speaker 2>will start to worry. And that's just such a sad

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<v Speaker 2>way to live, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the idea of thinking about your bedroom is a

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<v Speaker 1>place of dread in Anxietymy is really really sad to me.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love my bedroom, Yes, me too. And I

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<v Speaker 1>hope that everyone with insomnia gets over it eventually because

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<v Speaker 1>everyone deserves good sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And you know, it goes out saying that lack

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<v Speaker 2>of sleep can cause all sorts of medical health issues

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<v Speaker 2>because your body needs sleep, not to mention accidents that

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<v Speaker 2>can happen when you're too sleepy, whether it's falling asleep

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<v Speaker 2>at the wheels or if you you know, work a

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<v Speaker 2>chip job and you're running machinery stuff like that, all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of bad things have happened because you haven't had

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<v Speaker 2>been asleep.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, and so you say, okay, well, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>disorder that affects a lot of people. Did you say

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<v Speaker 1>how many people have it?

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't. We didn't go with the stats. Why don't

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<v Speaker 2>you hit them with some.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'm taking the statman role for today.

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<v Speaker 2>All Right, I'm gonna take a quick little micro sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>As many as seventy million Americans have some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>sleep disorder, which would include insomnia, and that at any

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<v Speaker 1>given night, there's ten percent of people in the United

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<v Speaker 1>States are having trouble sleeping. There's a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 1>That's twenty five million something like that, and that eventually

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<v Speaker 1>about two thirds of people will experience insomnia to some

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<v Speaker 1>degree or another.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I also saw some worldwide statistics that said that,

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<v Speaker 2>and this wasn't necessarily just insomnia, but sixty two percent

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<v Speaker 2>of people all around the world say they don't get

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<v Speaker 2>enough sleep. Yeah, that's a lot, that's you know, in

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<v Speaker 2>the majority.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's sad.

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<v Speaker 2>People aren't sleeping enough.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's supposedly a pretty modern problem because I saw

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<v Speaker 1>some sleep doctor I think he was a neurologist, and

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<v Speaker 1>he was saying, like, you know, we have ways of

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<v Speaker 1>storing up energy later on, because humans as a species

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<v Speaker 1>have encountered you know, feast or famine cycles before, so

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<v Speaker 1>our bodies evolved to like store food for a while

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<v Speaker 1>in times of leanness, right, don't have that with sleep,

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<v Speaker 1>Like we don't have a way to store like a

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<v Speaker 1>wakefulness or something like that, or energy in our brain

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<v Speaker 1>for times when we don't get And he was saying,

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<v Speaker 1>that's evidence right there that we've never as a species

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<v Speaker 1>encountered difficulty sleeping before. That that is a very new thing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's really interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought so too.

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<v Speaker 2>And not surprising. There is not a like a single

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<v Speaker 2>you can't point to a single cause. Or are all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of reasons someone might have insomnia, but most of

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<v Speaker 2>them boiled down as far as like not non psychological causes.

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<v Speaker 2>There are many, many, many physiological arousals that might keep

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<v Speaker 2>you awake, and it's you know, it's at bedtime. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not when you want them. So like your body temperature

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<v Speaker 2>might be up, or your heart rate might be up,

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<v Speaker 2>or your cortisol levels or other hormones might be jumping around,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is happening at bedtime, which is not when

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<v Speaker 2>you want that stuff to happen. You may have also

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<v Speaker 2>gotten it from It could be genetic, It might have

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<v Speaker 2>something to do with your age. I think women are

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<v Speaker 2>more likely to have bouts of insomnia.

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<v Speaker 1>Than men, especially if they are pregnant.

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<v Speaker 2>A big time. It's like eighty something percent, right, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you it can also be comorbid with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of different kinds of mental health disorders, especially things

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<v Speaker 2>like depression and anxiety. I think it was something like

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<v Speaker 2>eighty eighty five percent of people with depression like also

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<v Speaker 2>have insomnia.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's take in a little more to these categories,

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<v Speaker 1>these baffling, confusing categories. Okay, sure you mentioned transient insomnia.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's say just a day or two or a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of days. Say you have, like a good example as

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<v Speaker 1>an upcoming deadline at work, right, Okay, totally makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>But once the deadline comes and goes, no matter what,

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<v Speaker 1>you're probably going to be able to sleep again. If

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<v Speaker 1>you have a longer term, say if you have a

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<v Speaker 1>much bigger problem or a much more extended thing, that's

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<v Speaker 1>making you upset. That would probably translate into that acute

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<v Speaker 1>insomnia and then anything over. I saw three months, I

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<v Speaker 1>saw a month. But if you have trouble sleeping at

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<v Speaker 1>least three days a week for longer than three months, you,

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<v Speaker 1>my friend, have skated, unfortunately, into chronic insomnia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And I think part of the diagnosis too, is

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<v Speaker 2>that it has to it has to be affecting your

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<v Speaker 2>daily your your wake time as well. Right, Yes, so

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<v Speaker 2>you're not able to concentrate at work, maybe your relationships

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<v Speaker 2>are suffering, like it's it's really kind of wrecking your

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<v Speaker 2>daytime hours as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you turn into Edward Norton in fight club.

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<v Speaker 2>So here's my question. Because I thought I had it sorted.

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<v Speaker 2>Now I'm not really sure because the DSM and then

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<v Speaker 2>the what's the official sleep manual called I can't remember

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<v Speaker 2>sleep Bible. Yeah, sure, let's call it that. But they've

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<v Speaker 2>they've kind of changed things over the years just to

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<v Speaker 2>confuse people. But there's also primary and secondary insomnia, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I don't believe this is the case anymore. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they used to divide it up until very recently.

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<v Speaker 1>But primary insomnia was where the insomnia itself is the disorder.

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<v Speaker 1>There's not another cause, it's not comorbid with something, it's

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<v Speaker 1>the problem itself. And they further broke it down into

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<v Speaker 1>three subcategories of primary insomnia, psycho psycho's physiological, idiopathic, and paradoxical.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, idiopathic literally means there's no cause, and that's the

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<v Speaker 2>one that they've basically gotten rid of completely. Yes, although

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<v Speaker 2>I did see that there was still some debate going on.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure there's still some people like that don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to give that up for some reason. Yeah, they love

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<v Speaker 2>the name. They basically said though, that like that there

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<v Speaker 2>is a reason behind I think idiopathic was like, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you're sort of a kid that can't sleep, and then

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<v Speaker 2>you're an adult who can't sleep and there just never

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<v Speaker 2>is any reason. And they're basically saying, like, that's really

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<v Speaker 2>not true.

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<v Speaker 1>You're convinced throughout your life that there really is a

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<v Speaker 1>monster in your closet. You just can't shake it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>There's also that psychophysiological one I said, where this is

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<v Speaker 1>the one where you're worried about sleep and supposedly all

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<v Speaker 1>it takes is one night where there's trouble sleeping. For

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<v Speaker 1>somebody with psycho physiological insomnia to start worrying that they're

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<v Speaker 1>not going to get sleep, and then that worry leads

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<v Speaker 1>them to not get sleep. It's like a self fulfilling prophecy,

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<v Speaker 1>and that's its own subtype. And then there's that paradoxical one. Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Paradoxical is sort of confusing because it is a paradox

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<v Speaker 2>and I guess those are confusing. But that means you

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<v Speaker 2>have you experience sleeplessness, but you don't have the bad

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<v Speaker 2>effects during the day somehow.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's just strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's secondary insomnia, and that's where the insomnia

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<v Speaker 1>is a it comes, it arises from a disorder. It's

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<v Speaker 1>secondary to the actual real issue, where if you solve

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<v Speaker 1>the first issue, the insomnia should reasonably be expected to

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<v Speaker 1>go away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that's always been sort of the line share

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<v Speaker 2>of cases, like eighty percent or more. And I think

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<v Speaker 2>I read that they basically combined everything because they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>the treatment's not going to be that wildly different because

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<v Speaker 2>there are only certain things you can try, and we

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<v Speaker 2>should try these for everyone that has insomnia.

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<v Speaker 1>Plus, it's not a good look for psychology as a

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<v Speaker 1>feel that there is an entire category of we don't

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<v Speaker 1>know insomnia.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. True.

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<v Speaker 1>So some of the things that can trigger secondary insomnia.

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<v Speaker 1>You mentioned some people at risk, like pregnant people or

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<v Speaker 1>the elderly as you age, but also people with depression,

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<v Speaker 1>anxiety disorder, bipolar disorder. Apparently eighty five percent of people

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<v Speaker 1>who have clinical depression also have insomnia. And there's also

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of drugs that can keep you up as well. Ironically,

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<v Speaker 1>those same people who have depression, their treatment for depression

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<v Speaker 1>SSRIs can actually keep them up and give them insomnia

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<v Speaker 1>as well, so they could they would have double secondary insomnia.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like, yeah, there are all kinds of and

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<v Speaker 2>these are drugs that people you know, are very popular

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<v Speaker 2>for a lot of things like cardiovascular disease and asthma

0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.800
<v Speaker 2>and allergies and beta blockers and alpha blockers, like all

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<v Speaker 2>kinds of very common drugs. One of these side effects

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<v Speaker 2>oftentimes is sleeplessness, so you know, you always have to

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<v Speaker 2>take that into consideration for the picture of your overall health.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, Chuck, I think it's high time we took a break.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, Hey, I have another stat for you before we

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<v Speaker 1>get started again.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's hear it, stat Man, So Statman, brothers.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that your sleep deteriorates with your age, is

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<v Speaker 1>what I was saying earlier, right, h They apparently quantified

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<v Speaker 1>it that you you lose about twenty seven minutes per

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<v Speaker 1>night each decade from middle age.

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<v Speaker 2>M middle aged, meaning in your forties.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what I'm guessing is I think it was the

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<v Speaker 1>beginning of middle age and middle aged.

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<v Speaker 2>So in your fifties about a half hour less. In

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<v Speaker 2>your sixties that would be about an hour less.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, seventies hour and a half, seventies hour and a half, eighties.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's not even talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>It, no man, And it's again dressing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's not where you're like, oh, I don't need any sleep.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a senior citizen. It's it's like my sleep sucks

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<v Speaker 1>now compared to how it was when I was younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that's no good. I saw some other low

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<v Speaker 2>risk categories, or i'm sorry, high risk categories that are

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<v Speaker 2>not surprising but maybe often overlooked, And one was low

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<v Speaker 2>income households, and people oftentimes have insomnia because of that stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Something you might not think about much.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, worrying about things like bills or paying rent, or yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely issues and all that stuff that's that will keep

0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:27.760
<v Speaker 1>you up at night, and that is that qualifies as

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<v Speaker 1>insomnia obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>Any anyone suffering chronic pain. Diabetes is another one. And

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<v Speaker 2>then the you know, sort of the sleep apnea and

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<v Speaker 2>like restless leg syndrome and the Jimmy legs stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew you were gonna say it. If you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say it, I was going to say it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's all going to keep you up more. And again,

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<v Speaker 2>something like restless leg syndrome might wake you up, but

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<v Speaker 2>it's that ability to get back to sleep is when

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<v Speaker 2>it becomes a big problem.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so an inability to fall back asleep is sleep maintenance, insomnia.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, it's all these great terms associated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they get really specific. Sleep is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>more studied things.

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<v Speaker 1>You bet your sweep bippy, it is chuck.

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<v Speaker 2>As far as the diagnosis, like you were talking about,

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<v Speaker 2>you can't just stroll in and say like, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>sleep and they say here's some drugs to help you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well they might they yeah, actually might, So forget I

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<v Speaker 2>said that. Scratch that. But it does start with you

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<v Speaker 2>telling your doctor because they're not with you in the bedroom.

0:20:30.760 --> 0:20:33.760
<v Speaker 2>So unless you're married to a doctor, So you do

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<v Speaker 2>go in and say I can't sleep, and what they're

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<v Speaker 2>probably gonna do is say, well, really describe that, and

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<v Speaker 2>they may give you something right away, or they may say, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't you keep a sleep diary for a week,

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<v Speaker 2>because someone might just say like, I don't really know.

0:20:47.200 --> 0:20:49.199
<v Speaker 2>I just know that I wake up a lot and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And the sleep diary is what makes the patient really

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<v Speaker 2>kind of track what's going on to help both you

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<v Speaker 2>and the doctor, like helping you help yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and they're not just gonna say I don't know.

0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:04.240
<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be like, I don't know, Okay, I haven't

0:21:04.280 --> 0:21:06.359
<v Speaker 1>slept in two weeks, Okay, get off my back.

0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you see these bags under my eyes.

0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.800
<v Speaker 1>So with a sleep diary, it's pretty straightforward stuff. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>how much how much did you drink that day? What'd

0:21:16.160 --> 0:21:19.119
<v Speaker 1>you eat that day? Did you exercise that day? What time?

0:21:19.280 --> 0:21:21.600
<v Speaker 1>What time did you go to bed, how long did

0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:25.320
<v Speaker 1>it take for you to get to sleep. Just little

0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:27.959
<v Speaker 1>details like that that you take for granted when your

0:21:28.000 --> 0:21:33.120
<v Speaker 1>sleep isn't problematic, right, but that you can really kind

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<v Speaker 1>of observe and come up with some real easy things

0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:41.560
<v Speaker 1>that you can change in your life that might help

0:21:41.600 --> 0:21:44.120
<v Speaker 1>you go to sleep. There's something called sleep hygiene.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that's what you're describing, basically, is someone's

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<v Speaker 2>sleep hygiene, whether it's good or bad.

0:21:49.440 --> 0:21:52.040
<v Speaker 1>Right, So what is sleep hygiene? Chuck? Which is better

0:21:52.080 --> 0:21:54.359
<v Speaker 1>than hygienic utensil but still not great.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's exactly what you were saying, which is, do

0:21:59.200 --> 0:22:02.440
<v Speaker 2>you exercise too close to your sleep? Were you looking

0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.679
<v Speaker 2>at a screen that emits blue lights? Like? Right? But

0:22:05.720 --> 0:22:07.880
<v Speaker 2>it's a huge one these days of course. Like right

0:22:07.880 --> 0:22:11.800
<v Speaker 2>before you go to sleep, how you know, did you eat?

0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:12.240
<v Speaker 1>What?

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<v Speaker 2>What did you drink? Had you had any kind of stimulant?

0:22:15.560 --> 0:22:18.439
<v Speaker 2>And alcohol is really bad as well, like drinking alcohol

0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:20.920
<v Speaker 2>even though this not something you might think of as

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<v Speaker 2>a stimulant.

0:22:21.600 --> 0:22:24.000
<v Speaker 1>Did you do a big hog's leg of cocaine right

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<v Speaker 1>before you went to bed?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? The sleep hygiene, it's sort of all the things

0:22:29.000 --> 0:22:34.240
<v Speaker 2>that go into you know, do you have good good

0:22:34.560 --> 0:22:37.840
<v Speaker 2>light blocking in your room, sound blocking? Like all of

0:22:37.880 --> 0:22:39.840
<v Speaker 2>the stuff that goes into a good night's sleep is

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<v Speaker 2>sleep hygiene.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And so all those things you don't want to do,

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<v Speaker 1>like actually you'd think exercising would be a good thing

0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:51.080
<v Speaker 1>to do. No, it's actually it really energizes you. If

0:22:51.119 --> 0:22:54.360
<v Speaker 1>you've ever paid attention after you you exercise, like, yes,

0:22:54.400 --> 0:22:56.440
<v Speaker 1>your body is so or sore and you're kind of slow,

0:22:56.440 --> 0:22:59.439
<v Speaker 1>but you feel good. You don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Actually want to take up yoga before you sleep?

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<v Speaker 2>It makes me sleepy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like, especially if you do specifically yoga designed

0:23:08.040 --> 0:23:11.399
<v Speaker 1>for bedtime, which is basically just some like kind of

0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 1>light stretches ten to fifteen minutes. If you're having trouble

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:17.840
<v Speaker 1>sleeping and you don't try bedtime yoga, you're welcome.

0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:22.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I do morning yoga and I find that

0:23:22.200 --> 0:23:23.320
<v Speaker 2>I want to take a nap after.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it really feels kid though.

0:23:25.720 --> 0:23:28.520
<v Speaker 2>I love that it does. They also say, as far

0:23:28.560 --> 0:23:31.720
<v Speaker 2>as your sleep hygiene, that you want to have a

0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:35.119
<v Speaker 2>regular I mean, if you're doing it right. I know

0:23:35.160 --> 0:23:37.600
<v Speaker 2>it's hard for people, but you try to have a

0:23:37.640 --> 0:23:41.480
<v Speaker 2>regular bedtime and wake time, and that includes weekends. So

0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:44.400
<v Speaker 2>if you're having trouble sleeping and you're doing that thing

0:23:44.440 --> 0:23:47.280
<v Speaker 2>where you're like, you know, you're staying up on the

0:23:47.320 --> 0:23:50.120
<v Speaker 2>weekends and stuff like that, you're not doing yourselves any favors.

0:23:50.440 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 1>No, Also, you want your bedroom to be conducive to sleep.

0:23:55.040 --> 0:23:58.000
<v Speaker 1>Remember that was one of the things that insomnia had

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<v Speaker 1>to call it. You had to have enough time and

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:02.919
<v Speaker 1>a place to sleep. That was great. And they say

0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:07.000
<v Speaker 1>your bedroom should be only used for sleeping and sex.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it, and only if you're only if you're consenting

0:24:11.280 --> 0:24:14.920
<v Speaker 1>adult above eighteen and you're in a loving relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, dad, So which.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes a lot of sense because you come to train yourself,

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<v Speaker 1>you associate your bed with sleeping, so that when you

0:24:26.600 --> 0:24:28.480
<v Speaker 1>go to bed and you see your bed and you're

0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:32.679
<v Speaker 1>in your bedroom, you fall asleep much more quickly because

0:24:32.920 --> 0:24:35.800
<v Speaker 1>you've trained yourself to think of that's the place that

0:24:35.880 --> 0:24:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I sleep. That's not for doing taxes, snorting a lot

0:24:40.240 --> 0:24:43.560
<v Speaker 1>of cocaine. It's it's where I sleep.

0:24:44.400 --> 0:24:50.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you know, our buddy John Hodgman has long established

0:24:50.480 --> 0:24:55.160
<v Speaker 2>precedent that he feels very strongly that you should have

0:24:55.240 --> 0:24:58.320
<v Speaker 2>the if you're in a partnered relationship, have the very

0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.680
<v Speaker 2>largest bed that you can afford without it being like

0:25:01.720 --> 0:25:05.480
<v Speaker 2>a financial burden, right, and that we'll fit even if

0:25:05.480 --> 0:25:07.320
<v Speaker 2>it doesn't fit that good. He says, you should get

0:25:07.320 --> 0:25:10.800
<v Speaker 2>one if if you can afford it, like just squeeze

0:25:10.800 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 2>it in there. And he says the ideal coupled sleep

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:20.600
<v Speaker 2>situation is too completely separate bedrooms separated by a courtyard

0:25:20.600 --> 0:25:23.800
<v Speaker 2>with a fountain in the middle of right, and that's

0:25:23.800 --> 0:25:24.680
<v Speaker 2>how you get the best sleep.

0:25:24.760 --> 0:25:26.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, that people.

0:25:26.119 --> 0:25:27.439
<v Speaker 2>People weren't meant to sleep together.

0:25:27.960 --> 0:25:30.840
<v Speaker 1>It's it's definitely a thing that I think people are

0:25:30.840 --> 0:25:34.199
<v Speaker 1>finally like, Okay, this might not be the best idea, Like,

0:25:34.240 --> 0:25:36.240
<v Speaker 1>we might need to find some other way around. People

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 1>have come up with workarounds. Apparently, more and more architects

0:25:39.000 --> 0:25:43.320
<v Speaker 1>are being asked to create two primary bedrooms rather than

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 1>just the one.

0:25:44.520 --> 0:25:47.480
<v Speaker 2>Hey, man, if you can pull that off, I say,

0:25:47.520 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 2>go for it. It doesn't doesn't mean anything about your

0:25:50.080 --> 0:25:52.439
<v Speaker 2>marriage that you want to have good sleep, So it

0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 2>doesn't just get ready. You can even cuddle together and

0:25:55.880 --> 0:25:58.199
<v Speaker 2>then say and good night and then get up and

0:25:58.240 --> 0:26:00.840
<v Speaker 2>go to your separate places. Yeah, and in the morning

0:26:00.840 --> 0:26:03.000
<v Speaker 2>you can scarry on in there and jump into bed

0:26:03.040 --> 0:26:05.640
<v Speaker 2>and cuddle in the morning if you want. I say

0:26:05.680 --> 0:26:07.440
<v Speaker 2>this as someone who does this. We're not smart enough

0:26:07.440 --> 0:26:09.920
<v Speaker 2>we sleep together and keep each other up all night?

0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:11.439
<v Speaker 1>Do you really not?

0:26:11.720 --> 0:26:15.240
<v Speaker 2>Really? I mean our animals will keep us up. Yeah,

0:26:15.240 --> 0:26:17.439
<v Speaker 2>I feel bad for Emily. The cats literally lay on

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:20.760
<v Speaker 2>top of her body. Two cats laying on top of

0:26:20.800 --> 0:26:21.280
<v Speaker 2>her body.

0:26:21.400 --> 0:26:22.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you me does not.

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:26.359
<v Speaker 2>She has a dog in the foot space. It's problematic.

0:26:26.400 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so Mama will will tap you me to roll

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:35.159
<v Speaker 1>over and yeah, spooner, and or she'll say like, I

0:26:35.200 --> 0:26:37.119
<v Speaker 1>want to get on the other side of you, and

0:26:37.240 --> 0:26:39.920
<v Speaker 1>rather than just climb over, you mean, she'll wake her

0:26:40.000 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 1>up to let her know she's about to climb over. Yeah,

0:26:42.800 --> 0:26:46.119
<v Speaker 1>you mean's not the best at sleep maintenance, so it

0:26:46.200 --> 0:26:49.120
<v Speaker 1>takes her a while to get back to sleep. So yeah,

0:26:49.160 --> 0:26:53.800
<v Speaker 1>and then other times I snore, apparently, I'm told. So

0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.000
<v Speaker 1>there'll be times where I'm just like, okay, you you

0:26:56.160 --> 0:26:58.199
<v Speaker 1>need some sleep. I'm going to sleep out on the

0:26:58.200 --> 0:26:59.040
<v Speaker 1>couch tonight.

0:27:00.080 --> 0:27:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Heard you snore before? Really Guatemala, baby, So I do snore.

0:27:06.200 --> 0:27:09.359
<v Speaker 2>I mean, hey, you snored in Guatemala. That's all I know.

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if it was country specific. That's the

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:14.560
<v Speaker 2>only time we've betted down together. I know everyone thinks

0:27:14.560 --> 0:27:19.199
<v Speaker 2>we sleep in our own bunk. But getting back to U,

0:27:19.200 --> 0:27:20.879
<v Speaker 2>me and Momo, that's like proof that you can be

0:27:20.920 --> 0:27:23.760
<v Speaker 2>a small dog and still disrupt sleep. Oh yes, it's

0:27:23.800 --> 0:27:25.119
<v Speaker 2>not like size necessarily.

0:27:25.200 --> 0:27:28.000
<v Speaker 1>And then also don't forget Umy stays in bed to

0:27:28.160 --> 0:27:32.399
<v Speaker 1>let Momo sleep in. That's how that's how kind and

0:27:32.480 --> 0:27:35.960
<v Speaker 1>generous Yumi is Tomo man, and how much Mo takes

0:27:36.000 --> 0:27:36.960
<v Speaker 1>advantage of me.

0:27:37.480 --> 0:27:40.000
<v Speaker 2>I'd be elbowing that dog remember the spoon last night.

0:27:40.040 --> 0:27:41.960
<v Speaker 1>You couldn't because she'd just look at you and like

0:27:42.080 --> 0:27:44.560
<v Speaker 1>believe times and you'd be like, do whatever you.

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 2>Want, dooey eyes, I love it. Uh. We talked about TV. Yeah,

0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:54.200
<v Speaker 2>you definitely shouldn't watch I mean everyone, that's generally when

0:27:54.240 --> 0:27:56.400
<v Speaker 2>people watch TV, or at least you should. If you're

0:27:56.400 --> 0:27:58.240
<v Speaker 2>sitting around watching TV all day, then that's that's a

0:27:58.240 --> 0:28:01.159
<v Speaker 2>problem in and of itself. But people I think generally

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:04.080
<v Speaker 2>watch TV at night is in their evening viewing. But

0:28:04.359 --> 0:28:07.679
<v Speaker 2>try and cut it, cut it off and give yourself

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:10.960
<v Speaker 2>a transition period before you actually try to fall asleep.

0:28:10.800 --> 0:28:13.720
<v Speaker 1>Or and this is easy if you are on like

0:28:13.760 --> 0:28:16.119
<v Speaker 1>a device or a laptop or something, there's you can

0:28:16.160 --> 0:28:19.760
<v Speaker 1>switch over from blue light to a warmer light and

0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 1>it will have less of an effect on you. If

0:28:21.760 --> 0:28:24.240
<v Speaker 1>your TV can do that, bully for you. One of

0:28:24.280 --> 0:28:27.520
<v Speaker 1>the other things that if you have trouble sleeping is

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:31.199
<v Speaker 1>getting get your TV out of your bedroom. Remember, like

0:28:31.320 --> 0:28:34.560
<v Speaker 1>the bed is for sleeping, it's not for watching TV.

0:28:36.280 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 2>It is for me.

0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:39.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm just saying, if you have trouble sleeping, this is

0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.360
<v Speaker 1>an easy fix for you. You watch TV and then you

0:28:43.400 --> 0:28:45.880
<v Speaker 1>go to bed. You don't go to bed and watch TV.

0:28:46.320 --> 0:28:48.560
<v Speaker 1>If you have trouble sleeping, do what you want. I mean,

0:28:48.920 --> 0:28:51.479
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, that's that's just an easy solution if you're

0:28:51.520 --> 0:28:52.440
<v Speaker 1>having trouble sleeping.

0:28:53.040 --> 0:28:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, for sure. If I had trouble sleeping, then

0:28:55.320 --> 0:28:57.240
<v Speaker 2>I would get that TV out of there for sure.

0:28:58.320 --> 0:29:00.920
<v Speaker 2>And I think sort of one of the takeaways there

0:29:01.000 --> 0:29:04.360
<v Speaker 2>is is to make going to bed like a transition

0:29:05.440 --> 0:29:09.320
<v Speaker 2>from doing something to doing something else. However, as we'll see,

0:29:09.400 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 2>and we'll talk about this in a little bit, like

0:29:11.520 --> 0:29:15.520
<v Speaker 2>sometimes that transition can bring on the panic of like,

0:29:15.880 --> 0:29:18.600
<v Speaker 2>oh crap, like I have insomnia and now I'm going

0:29:18.600 --> 0:29:22.080
<v Speaker 2>to the dreaded place and we'll, you know, we'll talk

0:29:22.080 --> 0:29:26.760
<v Speaker 2>about workarounds there. Should we take another break or should

0:29:26.760 --> 0:29:27.000
<v Speaker 2>we wait?

0:29:27.080 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I think we should take a break.

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.040
<v Speaker 2>Okay, let's take a break and we'll take another little

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 2>nap and we'll be right back. So Are we at

0:29:56.320 --> 0:30:00.280
<v Speaker 2>the place where we talk about fixing it and not

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:04.080
<v Speaker 2>fixing it and not just in ways of improving sleep hygiene.

0:30:04.560 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think so, because the other.

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.800
<v Speaker 2>Ways are basically a few it's drugs, which we'll talk about,

0:30:09.840 --> 0:30:13.040
<v Speaker 2>and then a couple of different therapies, and like sleep retraining.

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's some They almost sound mean, but apparently they're

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:20.520
<v Speaker 1>really effective, some of the retraining. Yeah, well let's talk

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:21.200
<v Speaker 1>about it, Chuck.

0:30:21.480 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 2>All right, Well, obviously relaxation techniques, meditation, controlled breathing, all

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 2>these sort of low level relaxing behavior with therapies can

0:30:34.520 --> 0:30:36.560
<v Speaker 2>really help you out if you can get in that

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:37.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of mind space.

0:30:37.600 --> 0:30:41.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, And then we talked about how just the idea

0:30:42.040 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 1>of not being able to go to sleep can make

0:30:44.080 --> 0:30:47.600
<v Speaker 1>you lose sleep and cause insomnia, just the fear of that.

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:52.600
<v Speaker 1>So there's a technique called remaining passively awake, where you're like,

0:30:52.760 --> 0:30:54.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't care if I go to sleep or not.

0:30:54.400 --> 0:30:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm just staying up. It doesn't matter, and if I

0:30:58.120 --> 0:31:02.360
<v Speaker 1>fall asleep then great, if I don't, whatever, It's like

0:31:02.480 --> 0:31:05.760
<v Speaker 1>you're changing your mindset so that you're not worried about it.

0:31:05.800 --> 0:31:08.000
<v Speaker 1>You're just kind of taking a more casual approach to it,

0:31:08.080 --> 0:31:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and apparently that can have the effect of removing the

0:31:12.240 --> 0:31:15.360
<v Speaker 1>anxiety enough that you will fall asleep, kind of whether

0:31:15.400 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 1>you mean to or not.

0:31:17.520 --> 0:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just man, I can think. I can't imagine

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 2>what it's like to be so desperate that you're trying

0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 2>all these different things, and imagine even trying these things

0:31:27.360 --> 0:31:31.360
<v Speaker 2>will bring on anxiety. I have seen a thing where

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:35.360
<v Speaker 2>the bedroom can be such a like they recommend that

0:31:35.400 --> 0:31:37.920
<v Speaker 2>you just once you leave your bed in the morning

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.480
<v Speaker 2>if you can, if you're in a studio apartment or something,

0:31:41.520 --> 0:31:45.080
<v Speaker 2>then that really stinks. But like close that bedroom door

0:31:45.120 --> 0:31:47.840
<v Speaker 2>and do not go in there at all all day long.

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:51.120
<v Speaker 2>Put it on it like it's not there. Yeah, exactly,

0:31:51.200 --> 0:31:54.040
<v Speaker 2>put a lock on the door. What else?

0:31:54.080 --> 0:31:56.440
<v Speaker 1>What about supplements, Well, one of the ones that people

0:31:56.520 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 1>use a lot, chuck is melatonin, and it's a natural supplement.

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>They as a matter of fact, they make it. Some

0:32:02.880 --> 0:32:05.280
<v Speaker 1>of it from the pineal glands of animals. Did you

0:32:05.320 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>know that.

0:32:07.160 --> 0:32:09.280
<v Speaker 2>I did. I think most of it's synthesized, but I

0:32:09.320 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 2>did know that some of it came from animals, And.

0:32:11.560 --> 0:32:14.040
<v Speaker 1>You don't want those. You want the synthetic ones or

0:32:14.080 --> 0:32:18.520
<v Speaker 1>maybe ones from microorganisms. But they say, like, yeah, you

0:32:18.520 --> 0:32:21.280
<v Speaker 1>can take melatonin. If you have like maybe jet lag,

0:32:21.360 --> 0:32:24.120
<v Speaker 1>you can take it for a night or two. Or

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:29.320
<v Speaker 1>if you're if you have transient insomnia or your ship

0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:31.680
<v Speaker 1>has just changed, you're doing shift work, and it's just

0:32:32.960 --> 0:32:36.600
<v Speaker 1>melatonin can't help. It does it's our brains produce it

0:32:36.640 --> 0:32:39.400
<v Speaker 1>in response to darkness, and it does help us sleep.

0:32:39.920 --> 0:32:44.479
<v Speaker 1>The thing is is over time prolonged juice. Like if

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:47.040
<v Speaker 1>you have chronic insomnia, you do not want to use

0:32:47.080 --> 0:32:51.960
<v Speaker 1>melatonin because it can have all sorts of dileterious effects,

0:32:53.440 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 1>like because it controls not just how you sleep, but

0:32:56.280 --> 0:32:59.760
<v Speaker 1>also your blood vessel tone, your body temperature, your blood sugar,

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:02.840
<v Speaker 1>and you can mess with those things inadvertently over time

0:33:02.880 --> 0:33:03.959
<v Speaker 1>by taking melatonin.

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:07.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and that goes, it goes. For parents, you know

0:33:07.840 --> 0:33:09.800
<v Speaker 2>they have the kids sleepy gummies.

0:33:09.960 --> 0:33:10.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and.

0:33:12.640 --> 0:33:15.880
<v Speaker 2>We will use those very like half of one, very judiciously.

0:33:17.280 --> 0:33:19.560
<v Speaker 2>But you don't wanna you know, the jury's kind of

0:33:19.600 --> 0:33:21.920
<v Speaker 2>still out, but I don't know for me, you don't

0:33:21.920 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 2>want to be given your kid like a sleep aid

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 2>every single night.

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:26.200
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of legal metaphors you just used.

0:33:26.560 --> 0:33:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Well, I just you know, I have seen like all kinds. Like,

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:31.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't think all the evidence is in on like

0:33:32.200 --> 0:33:35.920
<v Speaker 2>kids taking melatonin. Yeah, but to me that's reason enough

0:33:35.960 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 2>to where like you wouldn't want to give your kid

0:33:37.720 --> 0:33:40.680
<v Speaker 2>a meloton and gummy every night even though, yeah, you know,

0:33:40.720 --> 0:33:42.280
<v Speaker 2>you can be desperate as a parent when your kid

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:43.040
<v Speaker 2>won't go to sleep.

0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean they used to use and probably still use,

0:33:45.920 --> 0:33:48.360
<v Speaker 1>like benadryl. Right, didn't that knock kids out?

0:33:49.600 --> 0:33:50.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

0:33:50.640 --> 0:33:55.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure some parents do use that really all right, Yeah,

0:33:55.080 --> 0:33:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and then cough syrup if you're really desperate. I'm sure.

0:33:59.120 --> 0:34:03.760
<v Speaker 2>The there're other, you know, supplements. There's not a ton

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:08.120
<v Speaker 2>of like scientific evidence for stuff like aromatherapy to fall

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 2>asleep and stuff like that and other supplements. But like,

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:14.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, if it's if it's safe to try, then

0:34:14.880 --> 0:34:17.279
<v Speaker 2>you can give it a whirl, is what I think

0:34:19.120 --> 0:34:21.680
<v Speaker 2>as far as that stuff goes, Like, try some aromatherapy.

0:34:21.719 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>It might work for you. I don't think it's gonna hurt.

0:34:24.680 --> 0:34:28.320
<v Speaker 1>Probably not unless it like catches your curtains on fire.

0:34:28.760 --> 0:34:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Like tripp a fan is another one, and Valerian over

0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:33.120
<v Speaker 2>the counter seth.

0:34:33.200 --> 0:34:35.359
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if it was. I've never taken it

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:39.120
<v Speaker 1>as a pill. I've always made tea from Valerian root. Yeah,

0:34:39.160 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 1>and it's an acquired taste for sure, and acquired smell,

0:34:43.000 --> 0:34:45.799
<v Speaker 1>but it does have a very mellowing effect on me

0:34:45.960 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 1>for sure.

0:34:47.160 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. And CBD. You know what, I'd meant to look

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:53.120
<v Speaker 2>into this because there are all kinds of CBD gummies

0:34:53.160 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 2>and things like that, like sleep gummies.

0:34:54.600 --> 0:34:57.759
<v Speaker 1>So have you ever have you taken CBD gummies and

0:34:58.800 --> 0:35:01.160
<v Speaker 1>been able to like, no, noticed any difference in your

0:35:01.160 --> 0:35:01.960
<v Speaker 1>sleep or anything.

0:35:02.600 --> 0:35:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Well, I don't need them for sleep, so I haven't

0:35:05.000 --> 0:35:07.359
<v Speaker 2>tried it, Okay, but I know people who.

0:35:07.640 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Do and they report good things from it.

0:35:10.560 --> 0:35:12.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but you know who knows we should do one

0:35:12.400 --> 0:35:15.920
<v Speaker 2>on CBD because it's sort of the wild West it is.

0:35:16.239 --> 0:35:18.800
<v Speaker 1>Did you see Woody Harrelson's brother has his.

0:35:18.680 --> 0:35:21.600
<v Speaker 2>Own line of it, Matthew McConaughey.

0:35:21.560 --> 0:35:24.080
<v Speaker 1>And he doesn't say he's Woody Harrelson's brother, but his

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:27.319
<v Speaker 1>last name is Harrelson. And if he's not Woody Harrelson's brother,

0:35:27.440 --> 0:35:30.359
<v Speaker 1>I will eat a hat. I have a few of them.

0:35:31.719 --> 0:35:34.120
<v Speaker 2>You saw that thing about he McConaughey maybe being brothers

0:35:34.120 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 2>for real? No, Yeah, that was recent. They discovered. I

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.759
<v Speaker 2>can't remember, so I'm not going to try and act

0:35:40.800 --> 0:35:44.040
<v Speaker 2>like I remember the exact terms. But it was something

0:35:44.080 --> 0:35:48.160
<v Speaker 2>about some they found some possible family link. Wow, And

0:35:48.239 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of similarities with them, and they're very

0:35:51.760 --> 0:35:54.719
<v Speaker 2>very very close friends and a lot of like and

0:35:54.760 --> 0:35:56.640
<v Speaker 2>they were both kind of like, Man, I wonder if

0:35:56.640 --> 0:35:58.560
<v Speaker 2>this is true. So I'm not sure if they're looking

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:01.080
<v Speaker 2>into it or not. So I I think her mom

0:36:01.520 --> 0:36:05.680
<v Speaker 2>while her while McConaughey's mom was divorced from his dad

0:36:05.920 --> 0:36:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and they eventually got remarried at least once. I think

0:36:10.320 --> 0:36:13.960
<v Speaker 2>that she knew Woody Harrelson's dad and was like in

0:36:14.040 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 2>the same town at the same time, like nine months

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:20.640
<v Speaker 2>before one of them was conceived or something. I think

0:36:20.640 --> 0:36:21.359
<v Speaker 2>it was something like that.

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:24.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we can't mention Woody Harrelson's dad and not

0:36:24.680 --> 0:36:27.400
<v Speaker 1>remind everybody that he was a suspect in the JFK

0:36:27.480 --> 0:36:31.480
<v Speaker 1>assassination at one point, the very famous three tramps who

0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.520
<v Speaker 1>were jacked up by the cops right afterward, one of

0:36:34.560 --> 0:36:35.879
<v Speaker 1>them was Woody Harrelson's dad.

0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 2>It's right, And didn't Donald Trump say Ted Cruz's dad

0:36:39.200 --> 0:36:40.120
<v Speaker 2>was in on it or something?

0:36:40.239 --> 0:36:43.360
<v Speaker 1>I think yeah, I think so. And then the internet

0:36:43.480 --> 0:36:46.319
<v Speaker 1>made Ted Cruz say that he's not the Zodiac Killer.

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.719
<v Speaker 1>You remember that. Oh yeah, he's like I wasn't even

0:36:49.800 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 1>boyed he was killing people or I was like five

0:36:52.160 --> 0:36:54.359
<v Speaker 1>years old, like they made him say it.

0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:55.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy.

0:36:56.200 --> 0:37:01.080
<v Speaker 1>So you talked about prescriptions and you know that.

0:37:00.960 --> 0:37:03.360
<v Speaker 2>May like real drugs, Yes, those.

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Can help apparently, but they're they're meant for short periods

0:37:07.239 --> 0:37:10.239
<v Speaker 1>of time because you can very quickly develop a dependence

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:10.680
<v Speaker 1>on them.

0:37:11.840 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, most of them, like ambien we've talked about, uh,

0:37:15.520 --> 0:37:18.080
<v Speaker 2>and then lu Nesta and these are of course the

0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:26.440
<v Speaker 2>brand names of zolpidem and etso py clone. I think, uh,

0:37:26.600 --> 0:37:28.360
<v Speaker 2>those are those are kind of known to be habit

0:37:28.440 --> 0:37:32.640
<v Speaker 2>forming and for short periods. But I think I looked

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:38.280
<v Speaker 2>up that ramelteon that was in the in the stuff

0:37:39.360 --> 0:37:42.719
<v Speaker 2>that was in our article, but that I think is

0:37:42.840 --> 0:37:45.919
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be non habit forming and has fewer side

0:37:45.960 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 2>effects as something like ambient.

0:37:47.760 --> 0:37:53.040
<v Speaker 1>Ramelte I know, I didn't see that anywhere. Yeah, okay, yes, okay, it's.

0:37:52.920 --> 0:37:56.840
<v Speaker 2>A benzodiazepine receptor antagonists.

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:59.359
<v Speaker 1>Right, and but I think it's a melatonin receptor antagonists

0:37:59.440 --> 0:38:03.400
<v Speaker 1>or agonist. It makes melotonin like crazy.

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:07.760
<v Speaker 2>It makes an ag They.

0:38:06.880 --> 0:38:11.960
<v Speaker 1>Also might prescribe any depressants in low dosages, especially if

0:38:12.000 --> 0:38:15.880
<v Speaker 1>you have anxiety over not sleeping, which can help as well,

0:38:16.200 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 1>but in particular with ambient and lunesta and those sedative hypnotics.

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:24.880
<v Speaker 1>Those are the ones where like they come with warnings

0:38:24.960 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 1>saying like be aware, like you may drive your car

0:38:27.719 --> 0:38:31.719
<v Speaker 1>while you're sleeping. Yeah, you may like have sex or

0:38:31.800 --> 0:38:34.439
<v Speaker 1>do all sorts of risky behavior. Yeah, eat a stick

0:38:34.480 --> 0:38:38.120
<v Speaker 1>of butters like that, that perennial one, but it really

0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:38.800
<v Speaker 1>does happen.

0:38:40.239 --> 0:38:42.000
<v Speaker 2>What if someone read that is like eat a stick

0:38:42.000 --> 0:38:44.719
<v Speaker 2>of butter and they're like, yeah, so what's the problem, right?

0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:46.880
<v Speaker 1>I do that while I'm wide awake.

0:38:47.960 --> 0:38:49.960
<v Speaker 2>I used to catch Ruby when she was younger, just

0:38:50.760 --> 0:38:51.560
<v Speaker 2>getting into the butter.

0:38:51.640 --> 0:38:53.480
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, do you guys keep get butter around?

0:38:53.480 --> 0:38:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't remember, of course. And she'll see her with

0:38:56.480 --> 0:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>a big piece of butter on a fork and like

0:38:58.320 --> 0:39:00.200
<v Speaker 2>what are you doing? Just like it's so good, it

0:39:00.280 --> 0:39:04.640
<v Speaker 2>is good, but you keep this assaulted? Well, we have both,

0:39:04.719 --> 0:39:08.640
<v Speaker 2>but you know, I said you probably shouldn't do that,

0:39:08.680 --> 0:39:10.560
<v Speaker 2>but it's like, you know, you're also five years old

0:39:10.560 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 2>and a pad of Butter. It's not going to kill

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:15.680
<v Speaker 2>you right now. Just watch out. That's how they hook you.

0:39:15.800 --> 0:39:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, exactly, big Butter.

0:39:18.120 --> 0:39:21.160
<v Speaker 2>Should we talk about this world record stuff?

0:39:21.280 --> 0:39:23.200
<v Speaker 1>I think so. So.

0:39:23.960 --> 0:39:25.880
<v Speaker 2>There have been a lot of people over the years.

0:39:26.440 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 2>It used to be a thing where people would test

0:39:29.440 --> 0:39:36.960
<v Speaker 2>the limits of human sleeplessness and enter contests or vie

0:39:37.040 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 2>for the world record and stuff like that, and through

0:39:40.080 --> 0:39:45.120
<v Speaker 2>the decades there have been many, many records broken until

0:39:45.160 --> 0:39:50.040
<v Speaker 2>they basically the Guinness Company stopped in nineteen ninety seven

0:39:50.160 --> 0:39:53.080
<v Speaker 2>said we're going to stop monitoring this because it's like

0:39:53.160 --> 0:39:54.040
<v Speaker 2>straight up dangerous.

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. But by the time they stopped, someone had gotten

0:39:58.320 --> 0:40:02.240
<v Speaker 1>to eighteen days. He's twenty one hours and forty minutes,

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:04.520
<v Speaker 1>four hundred and fifty three hours. A guy named Robert

0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:10.040
<v Speaker 1>MacDonald from I think Modesto, California in nineteen eighty six.

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was a twenty seven year old stunt man. Yeah,

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:17.080
<v Speaker 2>and that's four hundred and fifty three and change hours.

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:21.320
<v Speaker 2>And this was a rocking chair marathon, which was another

0:40:21.360 --> 0:40:24.160
<v Speaker 2>one of the ladies from the UK, Maureen Weston, who

0:40:24.600 --> 0:40:26.359
<v Speaker 2>was a record holder at one point, she was also

0:40:26.400 --> 0:40:27.600
<v Speaker 2>in a rocking chair marathon.

0:40:27.800 --> 0:40:31.319
<v Speaker 1>The guy who gets the most press though for having

0:40:31.320 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 1>stayed up the longest actually came in like fourth or

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:37.520
<v Speaker 1>fifth by now. But his name is Randy Gardner, and

0:40:37.560 --> 0:40:39.960
<v Speaker 1>back in nineteen sixty three, he was a seventeen year

0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:44.280
<v Speaker 1>old who was looking to win a science experiment contest, right,

0:40:44.320 --> 0:40:46.279
<v Speaker 1>so he decided to stay up as long as he

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:51.480
<v Speaker 1>could and break the record, which I think his record

0:40:51.480 --> 0:40:53.680
<v Speaker 1>that he set was eleven days and twenty five minutes,

0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.080
<v Speaker 1>which was longer than the record at the time, and

0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:01.040
<v Speaker 1>at that time, I think in the nineteenth sixties, it

0:41:01.120 --> 0:41:03.640
<v Speaker 1>was like a thing that DJs did. They would just

0:41:03.680 --> 0:41:06.319
<v Speaker 1>stay yeah, for as long as they could. And if

0:41:06.320 --> 0:41:09.080
<v Speaker 1>I'm not mistaken before Randy Gardner, like the limit was

0:41:09.080 --> 0:41:11.840
<v Speaker 1>around eight or nine days, so he really shattered the record.

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:15.799
<v Speaker 1>But other people had taken stimulants and really lost their

0:41:16.520 --> 0:41:21.160
<v Speaker 1>poop as a result. They basically took stimulants for eight

0:41:21.239 --> 0:41:23.839
<v Speaker 1>days in a row and didn't sleep. Of course, it's

0:41:23.840 --> 0:41:26.440
<v Speaker 1>going to mess with you, so he learned not to

0:41:26.480 --> 0:41:29.640
<v Speaker 1>do that, but instead he was distracted. He had two

0:41:29.680 --> 0:41:32.560
<v Speaker 1>friends that stayed with him, and eventually a doctor named

0:41:32.600 --> 0:41:36.840
<v Speaker 1>doctor William Dement who would take Randy Gardner to go

0:41:36.880 --> 0:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>play like pinball to keep them awake sometimes.

0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I think that one is one of the

0:41:42.680 --> 0:41:45.799
<v Speaker 2>most well known because because of that doctor and the

0:41:45.840 --> 0:41:47.920
<v Speaker 2>fact that he hung out and sort of quote unquote

0:41:47.920 --> 0:41:51.399
<v Speaker 2>studied him and you know, he experienced what you would think,

0:41:51.440 --> 0:41:56.800
<v Speaker 2>which is hallucinations, delusions, memory problems, perception issues, motor control

0:41:56.840 --> 0:42:01.399
<v Speaker 2>issues PCP. Yeah, all the stuff that would expect when

0:42:01.400 --> 0:42:02.880
<v Speaker 2>you can't get sleep yep.

0:42:03.840 --> 0:42:07.080
<v Speaker 1>But he also said that he believes that it had

0:42:07.200 --> 0:42:13.440
<v Speaker 1>lasting damage. He developed Alzheimer's in his sixties. He attributes

0:42:13.600 --> 0:42:17.040
<v Speaker 1>to that he also developed insomnia later on in life too.

0:42:18.160 --> 0:42:21.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh really yeah, oh yeah, he couldn't sleep six hours

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:21.600
<v Speaker 1>a night.

0:42:22.239 --> 0:42:25.880
<v Speaker 2>Geez. All right, so maybe we should finish on the

0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:32.720
<v Speaker 2>long promised cognitive behavioral therapy routine aka sleep boot camp.

0:42:33.080 --> 0:42:34.719
<v Speaker 2>And then what was the other one called.

0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:40.000
<v Speaker 1>SCT stimulus therapy stimulus.

0:42:39.560 --> 0:42:41.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, because those used in conjunction seem to

0:42:41.960 --> 0:42:43.240
<v Speaker 2>be sort of the gold standard.

0:42:43.360 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there was an Australian study that found out that

0:42:46.800 --> 0:42:48.680
<v Speaker 1>if you put those two together over the course of

0:42:48.719 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 1>five weeks, say goodbye insomnia.

0:42:52.440 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Right. So there are different ways to do, you know,

0:42:56.080 --> 0:43:00.000
<v Speaker 2>all kinds of cognitive behavioral therapy, but one common sleep

0:43:00.040 --> 0:43:05.240
<v Speaker 2>boot camp would be something where you go into this program.

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:09.400
<v Speaker 2>You're supposed to I believe, the night before you're supposed

0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:12.239
<v Speaker 2>to sleep no more than five hours, so you go

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:14.680
<v Speaker 2>in sort of sleepy, and then when you go in,

0:43:15.280 --> 0:43:17.799
<v Speaker 2>you go to a sleep lab around bedtime, and then

0:43:17.840 --> 0:43:23.720
<v Speaker 2>you spend the next twenty five hours basically in little

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:28.160
<v Speaker 2>thirty minute fifty different thirty minute sessions trying to fall asleep.

0:43:28.320 --> 0:43:30.520
<v Speaker 1>You spend the next twenty five hours in hell.

0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:35.160
<v Speaker 2>Essentially, it sounds pretty bad because the goal here is

0:43:35.200 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 2>they want you to know that you can fall asleep

0:43:39.280 --> 0:43:41.920
<v Speaker 2>quicker than you usually do and what that feels like.

0:43:42.560 --> 0:43:44.680
<v Speaker 2>And they do that by like saying, all right, try

0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 2>and fall asleep, and you try and fall asleep, and

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:49.719
<v Speaker 2>if they do fall asleep, after three minutes, they wake

0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:52.800
<v Speaker 2>you up and say, hey, do you think were you

0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:56.279
<v Speaker 2>asleep just now? And if you say no, then they say, well,

0:43:56.320 --> 0:43:59.920
<v Speaker 2>guess what you were Or you say yes, they'll say congratulations,

0:44:00.080 --> 0:44:02.640
<v Speaker 2>you were, and then they just keep doing that over

0:44:02.680 --> 0:44:05.560
<v Speaker 2>and over, so you're getting really, really more and more tired,

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:09.400
<v Speaker 2>so that sleep deprivation builds up until you kind of

0:44:09.440 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 2>train yourself to fall asleep.

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:12.680
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and then just to really mess with you. Every

0:44:12.760 --> 0:44:15.240
<v Speaker 1>time you do fall asleep, they change their clothes real quick,

0:44:16.760 --> 0:44:20.160
<v Speaker 1>so you're really disoriented when you wake up put on

0:44:20.200 --> 0:44:23.520
<v Speaker 1>a wig. Yeah, but so apparently in twenty five hours

0:44:23.200 --> 0:44:26.560
<v Speaker 1>this works, like that boot camp will will help cure you.

0:44:26.600 --> 0:44:29.000
<v Speaker 1>And like you said, it shows people, yes, you can

0:44:29.080 --> 0:44:34.040
<v Speaker 1>fall asleep and that the sleep deprivation that's generated doesn't hurt.

0:44:33.840 --> 0:44:39.280
<v Speaker 2>Either, Right, So that's that. Then the set stimulus control

0:44:39.360 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 2>therapy is when they say, go to your this is

0:44:43.040 --> 0:44:45.360
<v Speaker 2>not at a sleep place or whatever, it's just in

0:44:45.400 --> 0:44:50.080
<v Speaker 2>your regular house. Go to bed, and then after twenty minutes,

0:44:50.120 --> 0:44:52.520
<v Speaker 2>if you're not asleep, get up and get out of

0:44:52.520 --> 0:44:55.520
<v Speaker 2>that room and go to another room of your house

0:44:55.560 --> 0:44:59.160
<v Speaker 2>and like read or meditate or do something that you

0:44:59.239 --> 0:45:01.279
<v Speaker 2>know will relax, to use something that has proven to

0:45:01.320 --> 0:45:04.320
<v Speaker 2>relax you, and then go back and try again. And

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 2>if that doesn't work in twenty minutes, get up and

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:09.360
<v Speaker 2>leave the room again. But don't lay there in bed

0:45:09.440 --> 0:45:14.000
<v Speaker 2>essentially for an hour or two, tossing and turning and stressing.

0:45:14.080 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, at the very least, you're distracting yourself from worrying

0:45:17.160 --> 0:45:19.880
<v Speaker 1>laying in bed worrying by going and doing something relaxing

0:45:19.960 --> 0:45:21.799
<v Speaker 1>like reading a book. How else all listen to a

0:45:21.840 --> 0:45:24.759
<v Speaker 1>podcast that's a good one and you just repeat is

0:45:24.840 --> 0:45:28.200
<v Speaker 1>necessary until you fall asleep. And apparently five weeks of

0:45:28.239 --> 0:45:32.560
<v Speaker 1>stimulus control therapy following a sleep boot camp program of

0:45:32.640 --> 0:45:37.480
<v Speaker 1>twenty five hours, this Australian study found that that is

0:45:37.520 --> 0:45:41.040
<v Speaker 1>a really great way to get past chronic consomnia without

0:45:41.040 --> 0:45:42.160
<v Speaker 1>any drugs.

0:45:42.640 --> 0:45:45.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and like that's the good good news is I

0:45:45.640 --> 0:45:50.319
<v Speaker 2>roundly found everywhere I looked that most people can cure

0:45:50.360 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 2>their ensomn. That is the good news. And a lot

0:45:54.800 --> 0:45:58.000
<v Speaker 2>of the people who a lot of people never try.

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I think I saw or I just did the math

0:46:00.600 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 2>that was something like sixty something percent of people. No, no,

0:46:04.160 --> 0:46:07.520
<v Speaker 2>it was like eighty something percent say that they should

0:46:07.560 --> 0:46:10.239
<v Speaker 2>get more sleep or they don't sleep well, I think

0:46:10.360 --> 0:46:13.080
<v Speaker 2>was the stat but only like sixty percent do something

0:46:13.120 --> 0:46:15.319
<v Speaker 2>about it, so or maybe it was even less. It

0:46:15.400 --> 0:46:17.400
<v Speaker 2>ended up being like twenty or thirty percent of people

0:46:17.640 --> 0:46:20.120
<v Speaker 2>like have insomnia and don't seek help.

0:46:20.200 --> 0:46:21.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think a lot of them are like, well,

0:46:21.440 --> 0:46:24.520
<v Speaker 1>wait a minute. To cure my insomnia, I need to

0:46:24.560 --> 0:46:27.680
<v Speaker 1>stop looking at my phone right before bed. Then forget it.

0:46:27.719 --> 0:46:32.520
<v Speaker 1>I'll just deal with the insomnia.

0:46:30.800 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, or just you know, struggle through it. And I

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:37.560
<v Speaker 2>think the same goes with any mental health issue, like

0:46:37.600 --> 0:46:40.400
<v Speaker 2>so many people just don't seek help and try and

0:46:40.400 --> 0:46:42.680
<v Speaker 2>figure it out for themselves, and that it's oftentimes the

0:46:42.920 --> 0:46:44.600
<v Speaker 2>very first step to solving your problem.

0:46:44.960 --> 0:46:46.840
<v Speaker 1>There's one other thing, too, Chuck, that I want to

0:46:46.880 --> 0:46:48.640
<v Speaker 1>talk about before we sign off. Here.

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Let's do it counting cheap apparently, actually I didn't get

0:46:53.640 --> 0:46:55.399
<v Speaker 2>to read the case, so teach me this up.

0:46:55.920 --> 0:46:59.040
<v Speaker 1>It not only doesn't work, it can actually keep you

0:46:59.160 --> 0:46:59.880
<v Speaker 1>up longer.

0:47:01.080 --> 0:47:01.680
<v Speaker 2>I could see that.

0:47:01.680 --> 0:47:05.920
<v Speaker 1>They think that it originated with medieval shepherds who devised

0:47:05.920 --> 0:47:09.080
<v Speaker 1>the counting system to keep track of their flock. And

0:47:09.160 --> 0:47:12.520
<v Speaker 1>the upshot of it is that it's so boring that

0:47:12.560 --> 0:47:15.120
<v Speaker 1>it would put anybody to sleep, even somebody who had

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:19.440
<v Speaker 1>trouble sleeping. But that's not actually the case, And instead,

0:47:19.880 --> 0:47:23.319
<v Speaker 1>researchers suggest, if you're at the point where you're trying

0:47:23.360 --> 0:47:26.560
<v Speaker 1>to count sheep, instead envision a really relaxing place like

0:47:26.600 --> 0:47:33.120
<v Speaker 1>a beach or a mountain cabin or whatever whatever relaxes you. Yeah,

0:47:33.160 --> 0:47:39.480
<v Speaker 1>exactly on Black Friday, And that concentrating on that and

0:47:39.520 --> 0:47:41.759
<v Speaker 1>it being kind of engrossing is what will help you

0:47:41.840 --> 0:47:43.960
<v Speaker 1>drift off to sleep, or at the very least, it

0:47:44.000 --> 0:47:48.680
<v Speaker 1>will distract you from worrying about not sleeping enough that

0:47:48.760 --> 0:47:49.680
<v Speaker 1>you might fall asleep.

0:47:50.760 --> 0:47:52.480
<v Speaker 2>You know that cheap counting thing we may have talked

0:47:52.480 --> 0:47:53.239
<v Speaker 2>about that that sounds for.

0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Micro Yeah, it's an understanding trope. Yeah. Well, since Chuck

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:01.840
<v Speaker 1>said yeah, everybody, that means it's time for a listener mail.

0:48:04.840 --> 0:48:08.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to call this longtime listener. Hey, guys and Jerry.

0:48:09.719 --> 0:48:11.839
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what counts as a longtime listener, but

0:48:11.920 --> 0:48:15.080
<v Speaker 2>I have been listening for over half my life. I

0:48:15.200 --> 0:48:19.280
<v Speaker 2>think that counts Nova. This is from Nova. That counts Nova.

0:48:20.040 --> 0:48:22.080
<v Speaker 2>I can't even remember when I first started listening. I

0:48:22.120 --> 0:48:25.680
<v Speaker 2>remember I first remember listening when I was ten or

0:48:25.680 --> 0:48:28.799
<v Speaker 2>eleven maybe, and I used to listen to back to

0:48:28.840 --> 0:48:33.600
<v Speaker 2>back episodes in spare free time while playing Minecraft. I

0:48:33.800 --> 0:48:37.799
<v Speaker 2>just graduated college with a degree in mechanical engineering, and

0:48:37.800 --> 0:48:39.600
<v Speaker 2>I'm often working an awesome job where I get to

0:48:39.640 --> 0:48:42.439
<v Speaker 2>work with planes. I just want to give you guys

0:48:42.440 --> 0:48:44.279
<v Speaker 2>a big thank you from the bottom of my heart

0:48:44.280 --> 0:48:46.960
<v Speaker 2>for what you do. I consider you guys role models

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<v Speaker 2>in my life, and I strive have your genuine curiosity

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