1 00:00:30,319 --> 00:00:32,559 Speaker 1: Pats from the Past. Tune in is Matt Smith and 2 00:00:32,598 --> 00:00:35,119 Speaker 1: Paul Perillo offer in depth interviews with some of the 3 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:37,759 Speaker 1: greatest players and coaches in New England Patriots history. 4 00:00:37,839 --> 00:00:39,638 Speaker 2: Joined by the newest member of the Patriots Hall Fame, 5 00:00:39,719 --> 00:00:40,279 Speaker 2: Mike Gravel. 6 00:00:40,399 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: Find out what led to some of the greatest moments 7 00:00:42,519 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: in franchise history and unique behind the scenes insight. 8 00:00:45,239 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 3: And please to be joined by former Patriot quarterback Brian 9 00:00:47,959 --> 00:00:50,519 Speaker 3: coy Or joined by number thirty seven on your scorecard, 10 00:00:50,519 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 3: but number one in our hearts at least Rodney Harrison. 11 00:00:53,439 --> 00:00:55,719 Speaker 4: Good to be home. Good to see you guys. 12 00:00:55,799 --> 00:00:58,999 Speaker 1: Search for Pats in the Past anywhere you get your podcast. 13 00:01:00,519 --> 00:01:01,919 Speaker 4: Good morning everyone. 14 00:01:03,119 --> 00:01:04,839 Speaker 5: You know, kind of like what I said last night, 15 00:01:05,279 --> 00:01:09,519 Speaker 5: you know, leaving the field disappointed, going back and watching 16 00:01:09,519 --> 00:01:12,479 Speaker 5: the film and just seeing, you know, plays that were 17 00:01:12,559 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 5: left out there on the field. And I always say, 18 00:01:14,519 --> 00:01:17,118 Speaker 5: it's not just one play. You know, everyone's gonna either 19 00:01:17,158 --> 00:01:19,559 Speaker 5: be stuck on you know, the interception at the end 20 00:01:19,559 --> 00:01:21,639 Speaker 5: of the game, or to go forward on two here 21 00:01:21,679 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 5: to go forward or not to go forward on two. 22 00:01:24,279 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 5: Those are definitely those hindsight things that I oftentimes think about. 23 00:01:28,239 --> 00:01:30,438 Speaker 5: But at the same time that we prepare for throughout 24 00:01:30,479 --> 00:01:34,399 Speaker 5: the weekend, during the flow of the game, obviously, you know, 25 00:01:35,199 --> 00:01:38,039 Speaker 5: I'm very proud of the way the locker room has 26 00:01:38,078 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 5: stuck together. 27 00:01:38,999 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 4: You know, it was it was a battle. 28 00:01:40,999 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 5: You know, anytime you go in the overtime on the 29 00:01:43,839 --> 00:01:46,199 Speaker 5: road like that, it takes a lot, and I would 30 00:01:46,239 --> 00:01:49,719 Speaker 5: say it takes a lot, especially when you lose, uh 31 00:01:50,039 --> 00:01:52,479 Speaker 5: lose the game, and proud of the way the guys 32 00:01:52,639 --> 00:01:56,999 Speaker 5: you know, showed showed some toughness. Unfortunately weren't able to 33 00:01:57,119 --> 00:01:57,839 Speaker 5: walk away with the win. 34 00:02:00,959 --> 00:02:02,919 Speaker 6: Start with questions it will serve with Mike Jerry, followed 35 00:02:02,919 --> 00:02:03,479 Speaker 6: by Chris Ryan. 36 00:02:04,239 --> 00:02:09,559 Speaker 7: Want to drudde uh one lineup question and one strategy question. 37 00:02:09,599 --> 00:02:12,078 Speaker 7: I guess I started with the lineup one. Why did 38 00:02:12,119 --> 00:02:15,319 Speaker 7: you decide to or what went into deciding to switch 39 00:02:15,358 --> 00:02:18,638 Speaker 7: the offensive line once again to start the game this week. 40 00:02:19,679 --> 00:02:21,119 Speaker 5: I thought that was the best thing to do for 41 00:02:21,159 --> 00:02:25,078 Speaker 5: the team. Look, they have a good front. Ninety eight 42 00:02:25,279 --> 00:02:28,279 Speaker 5: definitely is a problem. I thought that was just the 43 00:02:28,279 --> 00:02:29,399 Speaker 5: best thing to do for offense. 44 00:02:29,759 --> 00:02:32,119 Speaker 7: And then wondering why you chose the direction you did 45 00:02:32,159 --> 00:02:36,959 Speaker 7: in overtime. Drake mentioned after the game that you know, 46 00:02:37,079 --> 00:02:39,319 Speaker 7: throw kind of died a little bit in the win there. 47 00:02:39,359 --> 00:02:42,359 Speaker 7: So clearly guys decided to kick into the into the wind. 48 00:02:43,319 --> 00:02:45,798 Speaker 4: Yeah, so the win at the time, I would say 49 00:02:45,839 --> 00:02:46,639 Speaker 4: the win had changed. 50 00:02:46,679 --> 00:02:48,918 Speaker 5: So the win had changed from the beginning of the 51 00:02:48,959 --> 00:02:49,958 Speaker 5: game to the end of the game. 52 00:02:50,239 --> 00:02:54,559 Speaker 4: So that's what happened. Well, thank you. Yeah. 53 00:02:54,639 --> 00:02:56,078 Speaker 6: Chris Ryan, followed by Tom Kerr. 54 00:02:57,279 --> 00:02:58,279 Speaker 4: Brought the ball as well. 55 00:02:58,319 --> 00:03:03,399 Speaker 3: With you on Drake's performance, when you evaluate you know 56 00:03:03,679 --> 00:03:05,919 Speaker 3: where things are at for him and see kind us 57 00:03:05,959 --> 00:03:07,999 Speaker 3: of the promise, but also you know some of the 58 00:03:08,359 --> 00:03:10,159 Speaker 3: growing issues that. 59 00:03:10,079 --> 00:03:11,159 Speaker 6: Occur with the workinge quarterback. 60 00:03:11,279 --> 00:03:14,918 Speaker 3: How do you how do you evaluate that and when 61 00:03:15,079 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 3: in making corrections, make sure that you know he's in 62 00:03:19,399 --> 00:03:21,319 Speaker 3: a good place moving forward. 63 00:03:22,199 --> 00:03:24,599 Speaker 5: I feel like Drake has been coached hard his entire 64 00:03:24,679 --> 00:03:26,798 Speaker 5: life and started in the household, you know, with this 65 00:03:27,119 --> 00:03:30,639 Speaker 5: with his brothers and parents, and even in Carolina had 66 00:03:30,679 --> 00:03:32,839 Speaker 5: been coached hard. And we coach him hard here just 67 00:03:32,879 --> 00:03:34,839 Speaker 5: like we coach everyone else. You know, I'm saying that 68 00:03:34,879 --> 00:03:36,639 Speaker 5: I think you hit it on the head. There will 69 00:03:36,679 --> 00:03:39,839 Speaker 5: be growing pains, that's part of being a rookie, regardless 70 00:03:39,839 --> 00:03:40,439 Speaker 5: of position. 71 00:03:42,039 --> 00:03:43,759 Speaker 3: And just where do you think he's he's a bad 72 00:03:43,799 --> 00:03:46,199 Speaker 3: at this point? Is this kind of what you what 73 00:03:46,239 --> 00:03:49,879 Speaker 3: you envisioned in putting the plan in place, there would 74 00:03:49,919 --> 00:03:52,319 Speaker 3: be you know days, days like these where you see 75 00:03:52,319 --> 00:03:53,399 Speaker 3: positives and negatives. 76 00:03:54,679 --> 00:03:55,879 Speaker 4: Man, I think that's yeah. 77 00:03:55,919 --> 00:03:57,919 Speaker 5: I think that's for all rookies, that they're going to 78 00:03:57,919 --> 00:04:00,479 Speaker 5: be ups and downs, and you know, as we said 79 00:04:00,519 --> 00:04:02,999 Speaker 5: earlier in the season, you just look for progress, for 80 00:04:03,039 --> 00:04:04,479 Speaker 5: guys to get better every single week. 81 00:04:05,639 --> 00:04:11,559 Speaker 6: Thank you, Thanks us, Tom, current followers rookie rolling hege Roud. 82 00:04:12,119 --> 00:04:14,279 Speaker 8: Tom just wanted to go a little deeper on that 83 00:04:14,559 --> 00:04:19,078 Speaker 8: two point decision. Obviously, these calls are not one hundred 84 00:04:19,119 --> 00:04:21,078 Speaker 8: percent one way to the others. Fifty one to forty 85 00:04:21,119 --> 00:04:23,399 Speaker 8: nine a lot on the decision. 86 00:04:23,438 --> 00:04:27,679 Speaker 4: But what you mentioned hindsight. 87 00:04:28,239 --> 00:04:30,319 Speaker 8: In hindsight, why do you look at it and say, well, 88 00:04:30,318 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 8: maybe we should have done the other because. 89 00:04:32,759 --> 00:04:36,759 Speaker 4: We lost the game. It's that simple. Because we lost 90 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:37,079 Speaker 4: the game. 91 00:04:37,199 --> 00:04:39,079 Speaker 5: You know, you go back and you know, earlier in 92 00:04:39,079 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 5: the season we went for two, we didn't get it. 93 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:44,199 Speaker 5: You get criticized, and then you kick the field goal 94 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:46,039 Speaker 5: here and you get criticized. 95 00:04:46,039 --> 00:04:48,079 Speaker 4: So I'm always going to do what I think is 96 00:04:48,119 --> 00:04:48,879 Speaker 4: best for the team. 97 00:04:48,958 --> 00:04:51,438 Speaker 5: And I think, you know, we can talk about analytics 98 00:04:51,438 --> 00:04:53,799 Speaker 5: and all those things, which we do use those things, 99 00:04:53,799 --> 00:04:56,518 Speaker 5: but at the same time, you know, there's also a 100 00:04:56,558 --> 00:04:58,999 Speaker 5: flow to the game, and as a head coach, ultimately 101 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:01,759 Speaker 5: the decision and the consequence lays on me. 102 00:05:02,519 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 8: Did you feel as if there was a fatigue factor 103 00:05:05,318 --> 00:05:07,998 Speaker 8: your team having been on the field for a while, 104 00:05:08,039 --> 00:05:09,999 Speaker 8: because I was thinking the fatigue factor would have been 105 00:05:09,999 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 8: more on Tennessee at that point. They had to chase 106 00:05:13,039 --> 00:05:16,559 Speaker 8: for twelve seconds on the touchdown play, and did that 107 00:05:16,639 --> 00:05:17,559 Speaker 8: way into it at all? 108 00:05:17,919 --> 00:05:21,118 Speaker 5: Yeah, there are multiple factors that went into it, and again, 109 00:05:21,359 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 5: you know, I just did what I thought was best 110 00:05:23,799 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 5: for the team. 111 00:05:27,159 --> 00:05:29,079 Speaker 6: Sophie Weller followed it to Cold Raino. 112 00:05:30,799 --> 00:05:31,318 Speaker 9: His you read. 113 00:05:31,999 --> 00:05:32,919 Speaker 6: I was curious. 114 00:05:33,239 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 9: I saw after Pop Douglas made that catch on the sidelines, 115 00:05:37,919 --> 00:05:40,998 Speaker 9: it looked like kJ Osborne was so hyped up for him. 116 00:05:41,799 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 9: What's it like to have a player like who you know, 117 00:05:44,759 --> 00:05:47,039 Speaker 9: was a healthy scratch but was still just as involved 118 00:05:47,078 --> 00:05:49,159 Speaker 9: in the game. Just what do you see from kJ 119 00:05:49,239 --> 00:05:50,959 Speaker 9: on the sidelines in those moments? 120 00:05:51,399 --> 00:05:53,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I grabbed him after the game and 121 00:05:53,919 --> 00:05:55,199 Speaker 4: told him how much. 122 00:05:55,078 --> 00:05:59,399 Speaker 5: I appreciated his energy and a guy like that, it's 123 00:05:59,399 --> 00:06:01,639 Speaker 5: all about the team. It's it's not about him as 124 00:06:01,639 --> 00:06:04,678 Speaker 5: an individual and we need more people like like him. 125 00:06:05,159 --> 00:06:08,239 Speaker 9: What went into the decision as well to have him 126 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 9: be a healthy scratch yesterday? 127 00:06:11,318 --> 00:06:14,358 Speaker 5: Yeah, look, I'm always gonna and I would say, you know, myself, 128 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:17,319 Speaker 5: along with the coaching staff, will always do and put 129 00:06:17,359 --> 00:06:18,998 Speaker 5: the players out there that we think are going to 130 00:06:19,039 --> 00:06:20,519 Speaker 5: help us win that game. 131 00:06:21,599 --> 00:06:22,319 Speaker 9: Thank you so much. 132 00:06:22,479 --> 00:06:22,799 Speaker 4: Thank so. 133 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:25,399 Speaker 6: The cod ran. 134 00:06:27,479 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 2: Thik Rod on the offensive line, I know, and one 135 00:06:31,198 --> 00:06:33,238 Speaker 2: who's moved back and forth a bit, but if his 136 00:06:33,318 --> 00:06:34,879 Speaker 2: best spot is it right guard? 137 00:06:34,958 --> 00:06:36,959 Speaker 4: Would there be any consideration. 138 00:06:36,479 --> 00:06:38,879 Speaker 6: To moving Leaden Robinson over to the left? 139 00:06:40,198 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 5: You know, I'm sure they you know, that's part of 140 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:46,078 Speaker 5: the conversations that we'll have today and tomorrow and again 141 00:06:46,159 --> 00:06:47,799 Speaker 5: whatever that combination looks like. 142 00:06:49,678 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 4: I'm not sure right now, but we'll always. 143 00:06:51,719 --> 00:07:01,799 Speaker 10: Doing what's best, uh best for the team runing coach Morning. 144 00:07:01,919 --> 00:07:06,319 Speaker 11: Just want to from from your standpoint, if you see 145 00:07:06,359 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 11: the same way like I see it, because I feel 146 00:07:08,039 --> 00:07:11,398 Speaker 11: like your screenplays have not been very effective and what 147 00:07:11,559 --> 00:07:12,719 Speaker 11: might have been the problem then. 148 00:07:14,119 --> 00:07:16,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, I would say throughout the season, our 149 00:07:16,999 --> 00:07:21,799 Speaker 5: screens have definitely uh not given us the yards that 150 00:07:22,078 --> 00:07:24,278 Speaker 5: we all hope it will give us. Is something that 151 00:07:24,279 --> 00:07:26,159 Speaker 5: we have to continue to work on. I would say, 152 00:07:26,439 --> 00:07:28,639 Speaker 5: you know, it's all about timing. Screens are all about 153 00:07:28,679 --> 00:07:32,799 Speaker 5: timing when the screen is you know, making it look 154 00:07:32,879 --> 00:07:34,959 Speaker 5: like something else. There's a lot of factors that go 155 00:07:34,999 --> 00:07:37,359 Speaker 5: into executing the screen. It's a hard play to execute 156 00:07:37,439 --> 00:07:39,279 Speaker 5: and we just have to continue to practice. 157 00:07:39,958 --> 00:07:40,598 Speaker 4: Thank you. 158 00:07:40,958 --> 00:07:44,439 Speaker 6: Thanks factor Tom Kerran in The Cool raina. 159 00:07:46,119 --> 00:07:48,879 Speaker 4: Hege Rud a quick question on. 160 00:07:50,319 --> 00:07:53,759 Speaker 8: May. Obviously, with all the different things that you guys 161 00:07:53,919 --> 00:07:56,439 Speaker 8: had that you want to install it instill this year, 162 00:07:57,439 --> 00:08:00,919 Speaker 8: developing and finding a quarterback was going to be very, 163 00:08:00,999 --> 00:08:04,359 Speaker 8: very high on the list. Can you look at Drake 164 00:08:04,479 --> 00:08:07,639 Speaker 8: right now? And you had a question earlier about where 165 00:08:07,719 --> 00:08:10,559 Speaker 8: is he relative to where you thought? But can you 166 00:08:10,599 --> 00:08:14,399 Speaker 8: look at him right now and say, we really feel 167 00:08:14,439 --> 00:08:18,079 Speaker 8: like a kind of a special player here in terms 168 00:08:18,119 --> 00:08:21,679 Speaker 8: of not just his on field performance, but his toughness 169 00:08:21,679 --> 00:08:24,239 Speaker 8: and resilience and the way that he carries himself too. 170 00:08:24,439 --> 00:08:26,359 Speaker 8: I mean, after the lost yesterday, I thought he was 171 00:08:27,319 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 8: he wasn't. He was very authentic in everything that he 172 00:08:32,479 --> 00:08:36,078 Speaker 8: said and seemed to feel about losing despite playing well. 173 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:39,999 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know his Uh, let's start with just his personality. 174 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:43,279 Speaker 5: I think I've said this before just his even ko 175 00:08:44,479 --> 00:08:48,599 Speaker 5: approach to everything, and in saying that, you know, I'm excited. 176 00:08:48,639 --> 00:08:51,199 Speaker 5: I'm excited for him, I'm excited for a lot of 177 00:08:51,239 --> 00:08:53,759 Speaker 5: our young guys. And I would say just as a group, 178 00:08:53,799 --> 00:08:56,799 Speaker 5: those guys have to just continue to, you know, go 179 00:08:56,839 --> 00:08:59,279 Speaker 5: through the ups and downs together and hopefully it builds 180 00:08:59,359 --> 00:09:02,999 Speaker 5: resilience amongst the team. But in regards to Drake, I'm 181 00:09:03,039 --> 00:09:04,839 Speaker 5: excited to see his continue to growth. 182 00:09:08,359 --> 00:09:11,199 Speaker 6: There's two final questions to Codor Randall and Mike Fiard. 183 00:09:12,119 --> 00:09:14,879 Speaker 2: Drew About a month ago, I think you said he 184 00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:17,799 Speaker 2: felt better about the chances of Christian Barmore playing this season. 185 00:09:17,959 --> 00:09:20,119 Speaker 2: Just wondering has he cleared any of those extra hurdles 186 00:09:20,119 --> 00:09:21,679 Speaker 2: you were talking about back then, and do you think 187 00:09:21,719 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 2: there's any chance he could start practicing relatively soon. 188 00:09:25,359 --> 00:09:26,159 Speaker 4: We're getting close. 189 00:09:27,999 --> 00:09:30,639 Speaker 6: Thanks, Thanks question Mike. 190 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 7: Sure, I know there's a million things to go into it. 191 00:09:34,479 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 7: But it's been three straight weeks now with the run 192 00:09:37,159 --> 00:09:39,759 Speaker 7: game with the running backs has not been able to 193 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:44,479 Speaker 7: get moving. What commonalities are you seeing in the inability 194 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:45,279 Speaker 7: to run the football? 195 00:09:46,079 --> 00:09:48,639 Speaker 4: Starts up front? 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