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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff Mom Never told You from House touff

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Speaker 1: Works dot com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline. And on today's podcast, we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about a term that has only been around

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Speaker 1: for a few years, and it is drunk or rex CEO. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and it's appeared in a lot of trend stories about

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Speaker 1: not only eating disorders, but like college students in particular,

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Speaker 1: particularly those college students who are choosing to drink their

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Speaker 1: calories rather than eat their calories. And I'm just going

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Speaker 1: to start off by saying that the two are not equivalent.

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Speaker 1: You are not getting any nutrients from that bud light.

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Speaker 1: I can just assure you that is very true. Not Caroline.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into this podcast on drunk rex, I

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Speaker 1: just want to offer a trigger warning here that we

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Speaker 1: are gonna be talking about eating disorders and behaviors associated

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Speaker 1: be sensitive to those topics, just a warning of what

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Speaker 1: is ahead. The term drunk arexia first popped up in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and eight, mostly in celebrity blogs that were

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Speaker 1: referencing ultra thin celebrities, usually women obviously, who appear to

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Speaker 1: subsist on alcohol and cigarettes. But now it's popping up,

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Speaker 1: portraying a trend particularly among college girls, although this is

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Speaker 1: something that guys are doing as well, and it is

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Speaker 1: not a medically accepted term, and you could lump it though,

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Speaker 1: together with things like man orexia or therexia, which is

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Speaker 1: the obsession with healthy food that can actually become unhealthy,

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Speaker 1: or pregarexia when pregnant women will starve themselves in an

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Speaker 1: though um, it's a new term, it's an old habit there.

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Speaker 1: There's really nothing new about the idea of people cutting

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Speaker 1: and not gain the weight. And over at Jezebel, Lindy

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Speaker 1: West brushed it off as kind of pointless because she

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Speaker 1: was like, wait, aren't we just calling anorexia by a

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Speaker 1: different name. But the reason, one of the reasons that

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about it is because even though yeah,

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Speaker 1: drunk arexia might be very headline grabby, and yes, it

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Speaker 1: can be a different name for a type of eating disorder,

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Speaker 1: because it is so attention grabbing, I feel like it

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Speaker 1: could serve a useful purpose because it is highlighting a

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Speaker 1: disordered behavior that I don't feel like has gotten as

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Speaker 1: much media attention before. Yeah, and I mean a lot

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Speaker 1: of people online I read about, you know, argue that

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Speaker 1: it's really not that big of a deal, like you

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Speaker 1: be drinking a lot. But we're not really talking about

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Speaker 1: you know, eating healthy all the time and then drinking

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Speaker 1: in moderation when you're out socially. No, I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: we're talking about an issue of you know, maybe you're

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Speaker 1: unhappy with your body, you know, maybe you're taking steps

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Speaker 1: completely cutting out food the day that you decide you

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Speaker 1: want to go out and party at night. Right, Because

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Speaker 1: it's often associated with binge drinking in particular, And I

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Speaker 1: I am I don't want to say that I'm a

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Speaker 1: fan of the term drunk arexia. I understand that there

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Speaker 1: are certain pitfalls to it in terms of maybe jazzing

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Speaker 1: do think it's useful as opposed to something like men arexia,

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Speaker 1: just calling it a funny name because guys are doing

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Speaker 1: something that girls used to just do. But with drunk arexia,

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Speaker 1: stories about what's going on on college campuses. For instance,

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Speaker 1: up the girls in her house. And I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: This young woman talked about how it was basically a

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Speaker 1: But I can understand, though, from thinking back to my

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Speaker 1: things that are lauded on campus culture if you're a female,

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Speaker 1: And in that way, like I totally understand her twisted

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Speaker 1: have to really do it the hard way, even though,

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Speaker 1: as we'll talk about, you're actually putting your body through

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Speaker 1: drunk orexix? Uh, their motivations tend to be a little

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Speaker 1: to optimize their potential drunkenness. Right, Yeah, money is definitely

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Speaker 1: a motivator. Uh. This one guy they quoted said when

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Speaker 1: literally like when I'm reading about drunk COREXA, I'm like, wow,

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Speaker 1: and she writes, I'm a seventeen year old who became

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Speaker 1: sexually active at fourteen, and luckily I was already on

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Speaker 1: birth control. Well, I'm very lucky to have understanding parents

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Speaker 1: in a good support networks. Some of my friends are

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Speaker 1: have easy access to birth control, condoms and other products

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Speaker 1: that keep sex safe. However, many of them still have sex.

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Speaker 1: And you are correct in saying kids are gonna do

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Speaker 1: what they're gonna do, because currently I have two friends

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Speaker 1: morning and at night the day after they accidentally have

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Speaker 1: unsafe sex as an emergency contraceptive, which is effective but

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Speaker 1: not well regulated. It's very, very important for Plan being,

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Speaker 1: other forms of birth control and emergency contraceptives to be

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Speaker 1: readily available for teenage girls. Teens, even young teens, are

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Speaker 1: more sexually active than adults want to accept, and these

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Speaker 1: but decrease the rate of unwanted pregnancies and unsafe sex.

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Speaker 1: I also wish that more people would listen to the

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Speaker 1: voices of those that these changes would affect the most

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Speaker 1: young teenage girls when talking about this controversy over planed B. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: many do not value the opinions of women and especially

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Speaker 1: young girls. So thank you for covering this topic that

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Speaker 1: news that those restrictions to Plan B have been lifted,

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Speaker 1: the age restrictions. So I also like to credit the

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Speaker 1: my god, remember that time that Caroline and I rolled

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Speaker 1: being more available to really appreciate it. Well. Thanks to

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Speaker 1: Kathleen Sebelius and Barack Obama and everybody else for listening

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