1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:05,680 Speaker 1: On this episode of Newsworld, I want to share with 2 00:00:05,720 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: you some thoughts about the relationship between Hamas, Winston Churchill 3 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: and the survival of Israel. I have watched versally form 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 1: my entire lifetime the development of Israel as a country, 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:27,760 Speaker 1: the intense hostility which at one time was true across 6 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: the entire Arab world, but which has gradually eroded as 7 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,200 Speaker 1: first Egypt and Jordan and then other countries have actually 8 00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: moved to recognize Israel, and in some cases have gone 9 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:44,120 Speaker 1: so far as to open up tourism and enable what 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 1: you would think of as the beginning of normalization. Under 11 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: President Trump's leadership, they actually began to break through and 12 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:55,600 Speaker 1: have countries sign up under what was called the Abrahamic Accords, 13 00:00:55,640 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: based on the idea that both Arabs and Jews are 14 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: descendants of Abraham. And yet within a very short time 15 00:01:03,640 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 1: after President Biden took office, the whole spirit of what's 16 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:12,920 Speaker 1: going on in Israel changed dramatically, and from an optimistic 17 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: how many more countries are going to recognize Israel, we 18 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: went into a cycle of how many missiles can Hamas 19 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 1: fire at Israel? And I'm profoundly opposed to the analysis 20 00:01:26,080 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: of our elites and to their call for a cease fire, 21 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,040 Speaker 1: and to the way they actually think about this problem. 22 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: And the reason I bring in Winston Churchill is in 23 00:01:35,880 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: the nineteen thirties, Churchill began to worry about the rise 24 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:43,040 Speaker 1: of Adolf Hitler, and he became, I think the only 25 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 1: major elected British politician to actually read minecomp the book 26 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: that Hitler wrote while he was in prison after the 27 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,760 Speaker 1: attempt at coup of nineteen twenty four. Mincom From My 28 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: Way is a remarkable book in which a man who's 29 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: clearly insane outlines his insane plans and why they're the 30 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: right thing to do now. Because Churchill had actually read 31 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,880 Speaker 1: it and was appropriately horrified by it and came to 32 00:02:13,960 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: believe that Hitler meant it. And this is one of 33 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: the key things between true conservatives in foreign policy and 34 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,800 Speaker 1: virtually everybody else. True conservatives start with a knowledge of history, 35 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,359 Speaker 1: and they know that very often when an evil person 36 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: says they want to do evil things, they actually mean it. 37 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: Virtually everybody else because they live in a positive, democratic 38 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 1: society where there are real rules and limits to the game. 39 00:02:41,800 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 1: Everybody else actually translates psychologically what evil people are saying. 40 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: I sometimes describe it as the Lion King syndrome. That 41 00:02:51,480 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 1: there are people who believe that the Lion King movies 42 00:02:54,440 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: actually a documentary and that lions and zebras actually dance 43 00:02:58,360 --> 00:03:01,359 Speaker 1: together and have a great time. So if you show 44 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: them a genuine documentary of lions and zebras, it's horrifying 45 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: because it turns out lions eat zebras, and of course 46 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:12,119 Speaker 1: that just screws up the whole point of the Lion King, 47 00:03:12,639 --> 00:03:16,519 Speaker 1: which is a happy version of reality, except it's not reality. Well, 48 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: the same thing happens, I think with our elites when 49 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: they look at places like China, or they look at 50 00:03:21,520 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 1: the Soviet Union as it was then, or if they 51 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:29,520 Speaker 1: look at Hamas and Hamas has been very clear. So 52 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: in the tradition of Churchill, who consistently in the thirties 53 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: warned that Hitler was evil, that he represented a threat 54 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: to all of Christian civilization, which is the term that 55 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: Churchill would have used, and that the British had to 56 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 1: be very well armed and prepared to stop him militarily 57 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: because he was in fact committed to a worldview which 58 00:03:52,080 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: was incompatible with this survival of Great Britain. Churchill is 59 00:03:56,440 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: the only major political figure to believe that at one 60 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: point in the nineteen thirties he was so isolated he 61 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: only had three or four supporters out of six hundred 62 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: and thirty five members of the British Parliament. And yet 63 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 1: what happened was month by month Hitler proved Churchill was right, 64 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: and gradually the British public came to believe that Churchill 65 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,599 Speaker 1: was correct in saying that they had to stop Hitler, 66 00:04:22,040 --> 00:04:25,719 Speaker 1: not appease him. Now, appeasement at that time was actually 67 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: the dominant thinking of the elites. They've been through World 68 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: War One. They were terrified of another great blood letting, 69 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: and so they thought if they could appease Hitler and 70 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: make him happy, then you could avoid the war. In fact, 71 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:40,640 Speaker 1: there's a famous scene where George Kennon, who then is 72 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:45,799 Speaker 1: an American diplomat in Czechoslovakia after the Munich Agreement between 73 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: Chamberlain and Daladier and Hitler and Mussolini, Kennon writes in 74 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 1: his diary, if only the checks will be reasonable, then 75 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 1: we can avoid war, as though the checks will be 76 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 1: responsible for starting World War two if they actually want 77 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:06,279 Speaker 1: to survive an independent country. And literally, the Munich Agreement 78 00:05:06,320 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: was a total sellout of the checks and because of 79 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 1: that as a total sellout of the Alliance system, which 80 00:05:11,680 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: had been designed to contain both the Soiviet Union and 81 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:18,479 Speaker 1: Nazi Germany. Well, Churchill understood all this instantly because he 82 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: had a model in his head that said Hitler will 83 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:26,720 Speaker 1: continue to expand until he stopped. So if you're not 84 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: stopping him, you're allowing him to expand. The way Churchill 85 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:33,159 Speaker 1: framed you at one point, as he said, if you 86 00:05:33,320 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 1: feed the crocodile hoping to appease it, the crocodile will 87 00:05:37,160 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: get bigger, and when it's big enough, the crocodile will 88 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: eat you. So by feeding the crocodile, you're creating the 89 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,159 Speaker 1: grounds for your own loss of existence. So in the 90 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,359 Speaker 1: tradition of actually going to source the documents and to 91 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: the actual actors, you know, for example, Hitler is quite 92 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: clear that he's going to exterminate the Jews. Now in 93 00:05:59,160 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: the West there was this scribed as typical German anti 94 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,480 Speaker 1: Semitism and a great exaggeration because of course no rational 95 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: moral person could do that. Well they were right, no 96 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:13,600 Speaker 1: rational moral person could do that, and Hitler was not rational, 97 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: nor was he moral, because he actually meant it when 98 00:06:16,560 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: he had power, he actually tried to do it, and 99 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 1: millions of people died because of the failure to confront 100 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 1: Hitler when he could have been confronted. In fact, in 101 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 1: nineteen forty five, when Stanley Baldwin, who had been the 102 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 1: Prime Minister during the period when the British government was 103 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 1: literally lying to the British public about the build up 104 00:06:36,120 --> 00:06:39,479 Speaker 1: of the luftoff of the German Air Force. His ninetieth 105 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: birthday for Baldwin was in forty five, Churchill refused to 106 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: send him a congratulatory letter and said to his staff, 107 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: millions have died because of this man's lives, and I 108 00:06:53,200 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: will not honor him. Well, the same thing is happening here. 109 00:06:57,400 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 1: We have had two generations of Western elites lying about 110 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 1: Hamas and lying about Israel, and it's getting worse. At 111 00:07:06,640 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 1: one time, the Democratic Party was relatively stable and relatively 112 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: aware of the problems, and was supportive of Israel's existence. Increasingly, 113 00:07:17,240 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: the radical wing of the Democratic Party is anti Semitic. 114 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 1: They won't say this, their policies would lead to the 115 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: extinction of Israel. Now if you force them to it, 116 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: they would say, well, you know, it'll all work out. 117 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: But it won't all work out because the ground rule 118 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: of mind COOMF applies directly to the leadership of Hamas. 119 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: So let's go to the source documents, into the source personalities, 120 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: and I'm just going to share with you what Hamas 121 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 1: itself says, and then I'm going to talk about how 122 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,680 Speaker 1: that plays into what both Israel's strategies should be and 123 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: what America's strategy should be. Hamas, which calls itself the 124 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: Islamic Resistance Movement, issued a covenant in August of nineteen 125 00:08:02,720 --> 00:08:07,360 Speaker 1: eighty eight. It's clear what it stands for. It has 126 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: thirty six separate articles in the covenant, all of which 127 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: promote the basic Hammas goal of destroying the state of Israel. 128 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:21,040 Speaker 1: Now Here are some examples. The Islamic Resistance Movement is 129 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 1: a distinguished Palestinian movement whose allegiance is to Allah and 130 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: whose way of life is Islam. It strives to raise 131 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:34,199 Speaker 1: the banner of Allah over every inch of Palestine. So 132 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 1: tell me how if you an extra neighbor wanted every 133 00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: inch of your property, how do you negotiate that on 134 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: the destruction of Israel. Hamas said, Israel will exist and 135 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just 136 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: as it obliterated others before it. And in many ways, 137 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,200 Speaker 1: in the thinking of Hamas and fellow terrorists, they go 138 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: back to the Christian kingdoms of around one thousand a d. 139 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: The rise of Saladin and the ultimate destruction of the 140 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:05,960 Speaker 1: Christian kingdoms, and so they see this as a similar 141 00:09:06,040 --> 00:09:08,840 Speaker 1: interim that, yes, the West has come in. Yes it's 142 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 1: occupied Jerusalem. They did this before, we defeated them in 143 00:09:12,360 --> 00:09:15,560 Speaker 1: the end, and so we'll defeat them. And notice they're 144 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:20,520 Speaker 1: talking about exists, Israel will exist. They're not talking about 145 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 1: a world in which Israel continues to exist. They don't 146 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:28,599 Speaker 1: even contemplate a smaller Israel, a weaker Israel. They contemplate 147 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: in Israel that no longer exists. They go on to 148 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: say that the whole space of Palestine is exclusively Muslim quote. 149 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: The land of Palestine is an Islamic holy possession consecrated 150 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: for future Muslim generations until judgment day. No one can 151 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: renounce it or any part or abandon it or any 152 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,319 Speaker 1: part of it. So what's the basis of a negotiation 153 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 1: with your next door neighbor When they say that they 154 00:09:55,520 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: can't negotiate any of it? Goes on to say, Palestine 155 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:02,760 Speaker 1: and is an Islamic land. Since this is the case, 156 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: the liberation of Palestine is an individual duty for every Muslim, 157 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:12,040 Speaker 1: wherever he may be. And liberation, by the way, of course, 158 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: means the end of Israel. So they called for jihad 159 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: or holy war. Quote. The day the enemies usert part 160 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: of Muslim land, Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Muslim. 161 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 1: In the face of the jews usurpation, it is compulsory 162 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: that the banner of Jihad be raised. So the very 163 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: existence of Israel requires a religious war. They go on 164 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: to say, quote and quoting Hamas, ranks will close, fighters 165 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: joining other fighters, and masses everywhere in the Islamic world 166 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: will come forward in response to the call of duty, 167 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,679 Speaker 1: loudly proclaiming Hail to Jihad. This cry will reach the 168 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:54,439 Speaker 1: heavens and will go on being resounded until liberation is achieved, 169 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: the invaders vanquished and Alah's victory comes about. So notice 170 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:04,800 Speaker 1: the Israelis are invaders. They have to be defeated, and 171 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: that leads very little ground for negotiation. While the naive, 172 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: soft and I think self deceiving Westerners in our elites 173 00:11:13,840 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: call for a negotiated peace settlement. Here's what Hamas says, 174 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:21,880 Speaker 1: and I'm quoting peace initiatives and so called peaceful solutions 175 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: and international conferences are in contradiction to the principles of 176 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 1: the Islamic resistance movement. Those conferences are no more than 177 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,680 Speaker 1: a means to appoint the infidels as arbitrators in the 178 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: lands of Islam. There is no solution for the Palestinian 179 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: problem except by jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are 180 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: but a waste of time and exercise and futility. So 181 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: the next time you hear some well meaning, naive Western 182 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: leader call for a ceasefire, remember this is considered by 183 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 1: Hamas a waste of time and exercise in futility. And 184 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 1: the only purpose on their world for having a ceasefire 185 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 1: is to prepare for the next war, because they will 186 00:12:08,040 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: continue to wage war until Israel's ceases to exist. They 187 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:15,679 Speaker 1: condemned the Israeli Egypt peace treaty and said quote Egypt 188 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: was to a great extent removed from the circle of 189 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: struggle through the treacherous Camp David agreement. The Zionists are 190 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,640 Speaker 1: trying to draw other Arab countries into similar agreements in 191 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 1: order to bring them outside the circle of struggle, leaving 192 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: the circle of struggling and Zionism is high treason, and 193 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 1: cursed be he who perpetrates such an act. Well, if 194 00:12:35,440 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: you think of what Donald Trump was doing with creating 195 00:12:38,640 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: the Abrahamic Accords, with getting Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, 196 00:12:42,920 --> 00:12:46,360 Speaker 1: and Morocco, all of them beginning to agree to work 197 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: with Israel, this was horrifying if you were Hamas. These 198 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:55,719 Speaker 1: people were engaged in quote high treason. The people who 199 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: are willing to coexist with Israel. Cursed be he who 200 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: perpetrates such an act. The underlying anti Semitism, which again 201 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: all of our nice Western elites just close their eyes. 202 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: They pretend it doesn't happen. This is what they say. 203 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,840 Speaker 1: According to Article seven of the Hamas Documents, the day 204 00:13:28,840 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: of judgment will not come about until Muslims fight Jews 205 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:34,280 Speaker 1: and kill them. Then the Jews will hide behind rocks 206 00:13:34,280 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 1: and trees, and the rocks and trees will cry out, oh, Muslim, 207 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 1: there is a Jew hiding behind me, Come and kill him. Now. 208 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: Explain to me, as a historian, I don't quite get this. 209 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:52,640 Speaker 1: How can the Western elites be so willfully blind that 210 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 1: facing an opponent who says, even if you hide behind 211 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 1: a tree, the tree will tell us where you are 212 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: and tell us to come and kill you. And these 213 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: are the people were told that Israel has to find 214 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 1: some way to live with It's important to understand that 215 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: in Hamas's own mind, this is not an isolated struggle 216 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: just over Palestine. Are just over the territories of Gaza, 217 00:14:17,600 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: the West Bank and Israel. As they say themselves an 218 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: article thirty two of the original document quote, Hamas regards 219 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: itself the spearhead and the vanguard of the circle of 220 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: struggle against world's Zionism. Islamic groups all over the Arab 221 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: world should also do the same, since they are the 222 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 1: best equipped for their future role in the fight against 223 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: the warmongering Jews. So you have all of these blood curdling, 224 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: vicious comments, but of course it's the Jews who are 225 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: the warmongers. That's the world of Hamas. And by the way, 226 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:52,280 Speaker 1: it's also a world in which Islamic extremists think that 227 00:14:52,760 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: cutting off the head of a teacher in France as 228 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 1: terrific because it's part of the great global struggle. A 229 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 1: mass occurring Christians in northern Nigeria is terrific because as 230 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:04,440 Speaker 1: part of the global struggle. Every time you turn around, 231 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:09,040 Speaker 1: Hamas is tied into with Iran, a global struggle against 232 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:14,720 Speaker 1: Western civilization and any violence, any betrayal, any savagery is 233 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: legitimate in the way they think of what this fight 234 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: is all about. Now, their leaders reinforce all these statements. 235 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: Everything I've said today so far has been literally a 236 00:15:27,400 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: document adopted by Hamas. It's reinforced in various sermons. For example, 237 00:15:33,520 --> 00:15:38,600 Speaker 1: Atalah Abu Alsub, former Hamas Minister of Culture on Alaksa 238 00:15:38,680 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: TV in twenty eleven, said quote, the Jews are the 239 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: most despicable and contemptible nation to crawl upon the face 240 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: of the earth because they have displayed hostility to Allah. 241 00:15:50,040 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 1: Allah will kill the Jews in the hell of the 242 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 1: world to come, just like they killed the believers in 243 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 1: the hell of this world. The Jews kill anyone who 244 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: believes in Allah. They do not want to see any 245 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,320 Speaker 1: peace whatsoever on earth. Now you could hardly have a 246 00:16:02,560 --> 00:16:06,160 Speaker 1: more clear statement of total war. And then remember this 247 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 1: isn't a sermon. So you go to the mosque to 248 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: be instructed on the will of God and the will 249 00:16:11,800 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: of God is of course that you have to kill 250 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: all the Jews, and that's literally the phrase, remember Allah 251 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 1: will kill all the Jews. That's part of this sermon, 252 00:16:24,520 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: and that's the people that we're telling Israel they have 253 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,680 Speaker 1: to negotiate with a statement made by Hamassa's leader against 254 00:16:31,720 --> 00:16:37,920 Speaker 1: Israel in twenty twelve. Liberating Palestine, all of Palestine is 255 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:42,440 Speaker 1: an obligation. The jihad and the armed resistance are the 256 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,840 Speaker 1: true and correct way to liberation. Palestine. From the Jordan 257 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: River to the Mediterranean Sea, from the north to the 258 00:16:50,520 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: south is our land. There will be no surrender of 259 00:16:55,560 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: even the smallest piece of it. It is unthinkable we 260 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,720 Speaker 1: would recognize the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation of it. 261 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,800 Speaker 1: I notice when they talk about negotiating, how to negotiate 262 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,680 Speaker 1: with somebody who says all of your property is mine 263 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: and your next door neighbor says, I want your house, 264 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,360 Speaker 1: your garage, your yard, I want your dog. I also 265 00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,439 Speaker 1: would like, by the way, to have all of your cars. 266 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,879 Speaker 1: And no, I'm not even allowing you to keep your 267 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 1: children's play set because quote all of it is our land. 268 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:32,680 Speaker 1: I think the Hamas leadership are serious people. They have 269 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:36,160 Speaker 1: a serious belief system. They actually mean what they're saying, 270 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: and they are educating millions of people to believe what 271 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 1: they're saying. And this is a little bit like what 272 00:17:44,280 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: happened in Nazi Germany. I mean, people will tend to 273 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 1: forget it wasn't just Hitler. Most Germans accepted what Hitler 274 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: wanted to do, and most Germans accepted Hitler's interpretation of history. 275 00:17:56,880 --> 00:18:00,720 Speaker 1: So similarly, if you look at Palestine now, if you 276 00:18:00,760 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: look at Gaza, if you look at the West Bank, 277 00:18:04,280 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: the schools teach children various lessons that are appropriate for 278 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: what I'm reading you from their leadership, and it is 279 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:18,440 Speaker 1: subsidized by the West and the United Nations, and it's tolerated. Well, 280 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: you get two or three or four generations being given 281 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: this kind of blood curdling, unbelievably hostile values, and they 282 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: believe them because they've been told that's the truth. In 283 00:18:30,640 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: terms of prattling on about negotiated truces, the official statement 284 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: of Hamas in twenty seventeen, no one in the universe 285 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: can disarm us. On the contrary, we will continue to 286 00:18:43,400 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: have the power to protect our citizens. No one has 287 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:49,200 Speaker 1: the ability to extract from us recognition of the occupation. 288 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 1: Disarming us is like Satan dreaming of heaven. No one 289 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 1: can take away our weapons. So it's a little Hartman understand. 290 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 1: You know, I always people when I'm told about big 291 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 1: strategies and big plans, I always say, and then what 292 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:10,160 Speaker 1: so we have a truce and then what happens. Well, 293 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 1: what they're telling us is one, they're not going to 294 00:19:12,240 --> 00:19:15,959 Speaker 1: give up recognition of any land. Israel will not exist 295 00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: in their world. Two, they're not going to give up 296 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: any weapons. They will rearm with the help of a 297 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: Ran and others, And the ceasefire is purely a tactical 298 00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:30,679 Speaker 1: device to let them get their breath and to allow 299 00:19:30,760 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: them to prepare for the next great fight. They launch 300 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:38,600 Speaker 1: thousands of missiles in the twenty fourteen fight. They have 301 00:19:38,720 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: better missiles today, they are more dangerous, and there's no 302 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: question in my mind that if they get a truce, 303 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 1: what they will actually have learned is that they can 304 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,399 Speaker 1: punch Israel and then hunker down and hope that the 305 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,359 Speaker 1: West will save them, and then they will rearm so 306 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 1: that the next time that starts, they'll have even more 307 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,679 Speaker 1: missiles and even more effective weapons. And their goals are 308 00:20:00,800 --> 00:20:04,879 Speaker 1: very clear. Flati Hamad Hamas senior leader at a rally 309 00:20:05,400 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 1: in July twenty nineteen, quote, there are Jews everywhere. We 310 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 1: must attack every Jew on planet Earth. We must slaughter 311 00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: and kill them. With all his help, we will laceerate 312 00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: and tear them to pieces. Now, how do you negotiate 313 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,359 Speaker 1: with a person like that. You had a really serious 314 00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: look at Hamas, you would realize you have to break 315 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 1: the organization. You have to eliminate its capacity to wage war, 316 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:34,560 Speaker 1: and you have to profoundly reform all of its cultural 317 00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: institutions so that they teach the ability to love side 318 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:43,440 Speaker 1: by side with other people. Now, that is basically total war. 319 00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 1: But the reason you'll have no choices, that's what Hamas 320 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,760 Speaker 1: is engaged in total war. And I'd love to have 321 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 1: some of our left wing anti Semitic friends explain what 322 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 1: they think. Laceerate and tear them to pieces means we 323 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: get these intellectuals who get in these rooms and they 324 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,960 Speaker 1: can talk their way out of anything, and so you 325 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: hand them real statements that we know we're said by 326 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 1: real leaders. Again, Fatihamad says, the following people of Jerusalem, 327 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 1: we want you to cut off the heads of the 328 00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: Jews with knives with your hand, cut their artery. From here, 329 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: a knife cost five shekels. Buy a knife, sharpen it 330 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:26,840 Speaker 1: and put it there and just cut off their heads. 331 00:21:27,160 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: It costs just five shekels. With those five shekels, you 332 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,200 Speaker 1: will humiliate the Jewish state. The Jews have spread corruption 333 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 1: and acted with arrogance, and their moment of reckoning has come. 334 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: The moment of destruction at your hands has arrived. So 335 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: the guys that President Biden and others want to have 336 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,840 Speaker 1: a truce with are wandering around saying, you know, for 337 00:21:49,920 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 1: those of you who don't have weapons yet, why don't 338 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 1: you get a knife and go cut off somebody's head. 339 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 1: Now again, how do you negotiate with the next door 340 00:21:56,560 --> 00:22:00,640 Speaker 1: neighbor who is sitting out front sharpening his knives. There's 341 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,880 Speaker 1: a level of horror involved here that it's very, very 342 00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: hard for people living in a free society to understand. Now, 343 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 1: my view of all this as a historian is basically Churchillion. 344 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: Churchill would have understood, as he did with Adolf Hitler, 345 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: that we are confronting pure evil. We're confronting a movement 346 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 1: whose explicit goal is killing nine million people, which is 347 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 1: more than Hitler achieved in the Holocaust. We're dealing with 348 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: people who laugh at the idea that they're going to 349 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:53,720 Speaker 1: negotiate when they hear Western diplomats or Western politicians or 350 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 1: Western news media wandering around prattling on about and we 351 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:00,879 Speaker 1: need to have a peace negotiation, they just think, you know, 352 00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: the Westerners are so stupid. And of course, in the 353 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 1: long run, their autament goal will be having once they 354 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 1: destroy Israel, will be to pivot against all of Western civilizations, 355 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: starting with Europe and then ending with America. And that's 356 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: why you now have the president of France who tried 357 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 1: moderation and has now moved towards a tougher and tougher 358 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: anti terrorist position. That's why you have a growing awareness 359 00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:28,120 Speaker 1: across all of the Western world, and by the way, 360 00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,440 Speaker 1: across much of the Muslim world. I mean, when Egypt 361 00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: and Bahrain and the United Arab Emirates and Jordan and 362 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: Morocco are all recognizing Israel, they're telling us something real, 363 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,760 Speaker 1: that they've concluded that they can coexist with Israel, and 364 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: that they think there's a better future working with the 365 00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: Israelis than trying to kill them. But Hamas is an outlier. 366 00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,040 Speaker 1: There's no reason the Palestinian people have to live in fear. 367 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 1: There's no reason they have to live in poverty. There 368 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: next to the wealthiest country in terms of manufacturing, as 369 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 1: opposed to in all of the Middle East, and an 370 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 1: Israeli economy transported into Gaza and the West Bank would 371 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:12,440 Speaker 1: overnight improve the lives of the Palestinian people, but it 372 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 1: would destroy their political leadership, and so their political leadership 373 00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,680 Speaker 1: would rather have their own people live in fear, have 374 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: their own people live under terrible circumstances. And you see 375 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: this if you look at one of the great to 376 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:31,879 Speaker 1: me astonishing commentaries and where we are. Various groups, including 377 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: the United Nations in the United States set up programs 378 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: to help in Gaza and help on the West Bank, 379 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: and some of the programs involved building, for example, hospitals 380 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:48,119 Speaker 1: or schools. The amount of cement that is supposedly ordered 381 00:24:48,160 --> 00:24:51,960 Speaker 1: for the hospitals would turned into the tunnels so that 382 00:24:52,040 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: they can literally tunnel under Israel's border, so that they 383 00:24:56,880 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: can in a war suddenly show up in your backyard. 384 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,639 Speaker 1: Some of these tunnels are very long and are designed 385 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 1: to carry trucks and tanks and what have you. The 386 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:09,239 Speaker 1: Israelis routinely go out and find them and destroy them. 387 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: But what we're doing is essentially a rope a dope, 388 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: subsidized and supported by the Western elites. So we know 389 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 1: that the concrete's going into these tunnels, we know that 390 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: the purpose of the tunnels is to get behind Israeli 391 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,119 Speaker 1: defenses and come out and kill people. And we know 392 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: that none of the current leadership in Hamas could be 393 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:35,000 Speaker 1: counted on to keep their word. So the answer is 394 00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 1: we send them more money, just as there's a grave 395 00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:40,320 Speaker 1: danger that the Biden administration will have learned nothing, and 396 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,760 Speaker 1: we'll send billions to the Iranian dictatorship, even though we 397 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: know that they are continuing their nuclear program and we 398 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: know that they're the primary sponsors of terrorism in the 399 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,560 Speaker 1: Middle East. But once our bureaucracies and once our liberal 400 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: elites have got something fixed in their brain, they just 401 00:25:57,040 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 1: keep moving in that direction. I believe ultimately either Israel 402 00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: will be worn out and will gradually be absorbed and destroyed, 403 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: and that will be done up by the way, only 404 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:17,320 Speaker 1: because the Western so called democracies decide that they're prepared 405 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 1: to coerce Israel. If that doesn't happen, then I believe 406 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: you're faced with twenty thirty fifty, maybe a hundred years 407 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:31,200 Speaker 1: of continuous erosy warfare, which cheats the Palestinian people of 408 00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: the opportunity to have a decent future, to create an economy, 409 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,760 Speaker 1: to live in peace, keeps them subjected to corrupt dictators 410 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,720 Speaker 1: who use the war against Israel as an excuse to 411 00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: run really vicious secret police and ruthless anti Western and 412 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: anti Israeli programs, including the brainwashing of their children. And 413 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 1: I think there's a real danger that over time, despite 414 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:01,639 Speaker 1: all of the advantages that the Israeli military has between Hezbollah, 415 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: which is the Iranian supported force in the north and 416 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,760 Speaker 1: South Lebanon, which has actually more missiles, many more missiles 417 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,960 Speaker 1: than Hamas, between Hezbollah and Hamas, there is a real 418 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:18,280 Speaker 1: danger that Israel will simply be worn out. People don't 419 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: like to live in a neighborhood. And somebody wrote you 420 00:27:20,840 --> 00:27:23,640 Speaker 1: the day where you have to stop your basketball game 421 00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 1: during the missile attack, and then you go back to 422 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 1: the basketball game after the missile tax over. It's not 423 00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: a very pleasant way to live. It's doable, and the 424 00:27:31,320 --> 00:27:35,680 Speaker 1: Israeli people have shown enormous courage, an enormous dedication, but 425 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,639 Speaker 1: in the long run, erodes the quality of life and 426 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: creates other kinds of difficulties. I would argue for at 427 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: least three things. One, no cease fire. Hamas started this deliberately. 428 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 1: They should be methodically torn apart and lose all of 429 00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,560 Speaker 1: their capacity to wage war. And the fighting should not 430 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: stop until the Israelis have basically broken Amassa's ability to fight. Two, 431 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: there should be tremendous coercion from outside. There is no 432 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: excuse for any Western democracy to fund programs which are 433 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: overtly anti Semitic, which teach young people to hate Israel, 434 00:28:17,119 --> 00:28:19,920 Speaker 1: and which create the environment for the future that I 435 00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: think guarantees you're can have several more generations of hatred 436 00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: because that's what they're taught every day in school. And 437 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,080 Speaker 1: along with changing the schools, they should eliminate all these programs. 438 00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: For example, somebody in your family is a successful suicide bomber, 439 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: your family gets a monthly payment. Well, that of course 440 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: increases the number of people willing to be suicide bombers. 441 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: So there's an entire industry of terror which has to 442 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 1: be torn apart. You know, at the end of World 443 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: War Two, the Allies created a program which was designed 444 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: to rid German and Austrian society of the Nazis, hatred 445 00:28:56,080 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: and the things that had been done to people. It 446 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 1: was carried out by removing being those who had been 447 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: Nazi Party or SS members from positions of power. Mayors 448 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: were kicked off, city councilmen were kicked off, and the 449 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:12,120 Speaker 1: program of denuncification was launched after the end of the 450 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: war and was solidified by the Potsdam Agreement in August 451 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: nineteen forty five. Now we need sort of a de 452 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: terrorism program for Hamas comparable to denocification in Germany and Austria. 453 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: And until we have an effective de terrorism program for Hamas, 454 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,040 Speaker 1: we should not expect anything to change, because they're not 455 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: going to change voluntarily, and that gives you a sense 456 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,120 Speaker 1: of the scale of the challenge. My final observation all 457 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 1: this is it that because we have not been willing 458 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: to stand up and tell the truth, we've created a 459 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,479 Speaker 1: space in which increasingly anti Semitic and increasingly anti Israel 460 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: politicians are popping up, particularly on the left, and there's 461 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,360 Speaker 1: probably greater hostility today to Israel in the Democratic Party 462 00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: than we're in its history. This is ultimately very dangerous 463 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,240 Speaker 1: and could lead to the strategic defeat of Israel, And 464 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,160 Speaker 1: just go back through and look at what I shared 465 00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: with you today about what Hamas itself says. The defeat 466 00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: of Israel will be the slaughter of millions. This is 467 00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,600 Speaker 1: not a game, it's not a pr strategy. It's not 468 00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:25,880 Speaker 1: being clever. And unfortunately, most of our academics make their 469 00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,920 Speaker 1: living whether they're in government or think tanks, or they're 470 00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: in colleges, they make their living being clever in a 471 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: world where cleverness gets killed. Instead, they should be thinking 472 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 1: profoundly about why does Hamas sail this, Why does Hamas 473 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: run schools of indoctrination. Why is the no ability to 474 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: get Hamas to say a couple of simple words, Israel 475 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 1: has a right to exist. You can negotiate how big 476 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: Israel should be, you can negotiate a lot of things. 477 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 1: But if you can't even say the words Israel has 478 00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:01,680 Speaker 1: a right to exist, than you are in a permanent 479 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: state of war. And that's what we need to understand. 480 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: No matter what the politicians do, as long as Hamas 481 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: has the capacity to wage war, it is in a 482 00:31:12,040 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 1: permanent state of war with Israel, and all of the 483 00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:19,320 Speaker 1: rest is simply manipulating us, duping us and creating false 484 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: fronts designed to count on our being so naive and 485 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: so guilt ridden that we can't see the truth, even 486 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 1: as it has stated explicitly and in a sense with contempt. 487 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 1: I mean they say these things publicly because they know 488 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,960 Speaker 1: that the Americans aren't going to do anything, the British 489 00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: aren't going to do anything, the French aren't going to 490 00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,960 Speaker 1: do anything. They're going to find excuses for not doing anything. 491 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: And I think this is a great opportunity to learn. 492 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,760 Speaker 1: But the odds are pretty high that our elites simply 493 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 1: will refuse, which is what Churchill discovered. Churchill ultimately comes 494 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: to power not because there's arguments won out, but because 495 00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:58,520 Speaker 1: reality caught up with his arguments. And it was sometime 496 00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: between easing the Czech Republic and then invading Poland that 497 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: finally people said, you know, it's not going to be 498 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: possible to find a way to work with Hitler. We 499 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 1: simply have to defeat him. Well, we ought to have 500 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: a similar tough minded approach to Hamas and recognize that 501 00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:19,320 Speaker 1: this is a mortal threat dedicated to the total destruction 502 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: of Israel, the massacre of millions of people, and totally 503 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: opposed to Western civilization and we should react accordingly. Nuts 504 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: World is produced by Gingwich three sixty and iHeartMedia. Our 505 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:40,240 Speaker 1: executive producer is Debbie Myers, our producer is Garnsey Slope, 506 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 1: and our researcher is Rachel Peterson. The artwork for the 507 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: show was created by Steve Penley. Special thanks to the 508 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 1: team at Gingwich three sixty. 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