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Speaker 2: our number one. We just kind of dove into bonuses

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Speaker 2: a little bit, and I was talking about a weight

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Speaker 2: clause that a guy had, And again I don't remember

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Speaker 2: the exact science around a bod pod. Those of you

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Speaker 2: just weight, it was weight or body fat percentage. Well,

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Speaker 2: he wasn't gonna make the weight. He was not gonna

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Speaker 2: make the weight, and it was like five hundred thousand dollars.

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Speaker 2: So he got a roll of I don't remember it

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Speaker 3: So someone advised that player, here's a tip on how

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Speaker 2: Well, and by the way, that's also why there's no

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Speaker 3: And by the way, do you see the Patriots. I

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Speaker 2: So I had a game a teammate, true story he

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Speaker 2: and people could say, oh, that's not fair, that's not nice.

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Speaker 2: So first of all, these are still businesses. They don't

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Speaker 2: So he's coming off every series finding out where he's at. Okay,

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Speaker 3: So he put him in the game and the guy

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Speaker 3: got the bonus. So based off that, there's a game

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Speaker 3: this weekend. The Cowboys are at the Commanders. Commanders are

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Speaker 3: Commanders to lose this game. They're getting thirteen points. The

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Speaker 3: Commanders right now the number two pick in the draft.

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Speaker 3: Game like that going the opposite way because the Commanders,

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Speaker 2: Ron Rivera definitely.

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Speaker 3: All the players on that team, especially the second tier players,

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Speaker 3: That's a game that shouldn't be close, but based off

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Speaker 2: You know who doesn't care about the commander's draft choice

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Speaker 2: Now they're got CJ. Stroud and they're playing tomorrow night

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Speaker 2: Because CJ. Stroud's like a top ten quarterback, top twelve,

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Speaker 2: Bryce Young's at bottom five. That's a lot to overcome

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Speaker 4: Sorry, has there ever been a player that maybe got

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Speaker 2: Almost every guy thinks that. Almost every guy goes out

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Speaker 2: better than the lube and the thing better than the lube,

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Speaker 2: pony opposing team. Okay, he had a sack bonus. And

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Speaker 2: I don't quote me on this, but it was like

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Speaker 2: He came into the last game with five and a half.

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Speaker 2: He happened to be buddies with our center. Okay, so

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Speaker 2: I'm paying fifty grand per sack, like joking around. I

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Speaker 2: of laughed. But then the senate was like, he might

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Speaker 2: be serious, and we all had the exact same reaction.

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Speaker 2: then we'll see how things are going. But that's one

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Speaker 2: you can't do unless there's like a signe contract. But

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Speaker 2: that I thought was hilarious that he told the opposing

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Speaker 3: and Grenkowski needs one more catch for I think it's

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Speaker 3: There's a handful of quarterbacks this weekend that will make

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Like the opposite Trent Brown, the offensive tackle. He

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Speaker 2: to get to with Tom. Tom. Always great to see you,

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Speaker 2: great to talk with you. Let's start with the awards

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Speaker 2: because you are one of the I don't know, is

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Speaker 6: The All pro is do Monday at five and the

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Speaker 2: I think it's a much better way to do it,

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Speaker 2: don't you, Because I mean there might be a guy

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Speaker 2: That's that's a more reasonable mathematical way to go about it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, and I remember, you know, we'll have the conversation

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Speaker 6: So you have to be beyond exceptional to one seat

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Speaker 2: Right, So, if they asked you your opinion, would you

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Speaker 6: You know what, It's really an opportunity missed by the

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Speaker 2: My point, Tom is like, let's say you're torn on

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Speaker 2: I just feel like you're right. The playoffs matter, and

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Speaker 6: And those are the standards by which Hall of Fame

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Speaker 6: voting is done. To a large extent, you don't even

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Speaker 6: get there if you don't have those things. But he's

436
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Speaker 6: the second all time leading receiver in the playoffs, and

437
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Speaker 6: the number of memorable plays that he's made in Super

438
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Speaker 6: Bowls and AFC Championship games should make him a fabric

439
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Speaker 6: of the history of the NFL. Again, I'm not making

440
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Speaker 6: a Hall of Fame case for Julian Edelman, but at

441
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Speaker 6: least a consideration because those are those are the more

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Speaker 6: important games than the you know, a December game between

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Speaker 6: you know, the Titans and the Panthers. I mean, whatever,

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Speaker 6: somebody goes off in that game, big deal. You go

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Speaker 6: off in February, that's a big deal.

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Speaker 2: So then my other question would be, like, let's say,

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Speaker 2: for example, defensive player of the Year. Okay, yes, I

448
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Speaker 2: don't think Miles Garret is going to play on Sunday

449
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Speaker 2: for the Browns against the Bengals. I do think Michaeh

450
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Speaker 2: Parsons plays against the Commanders. So how will you factor

451
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Speaker 2: it in if Michael Parsons has three sacks against the

452
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Speaker 2: Commanders but Garrett didn't play. I mean, is that a

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Speaker 2: knock on Garrett? Does it only help Parsons? Like? How

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Speaker 2: do you deviate between those two? Yeah?

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Speaker 6: That's funny because like, would I do that with the

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Speaker 6: Week ten matchups and compare the teams that they were

457
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Speaker 6: going against in that one and go back and compare

458
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Speaker 6: week to week who do they go against?

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Speaker 2: Who they play?

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Speaker 6: Or do I look at the body of work in

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Speaker 6: games that mattered and say, Okay, you have the best

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Speaker 6: player on a defense that has carried a team to

463
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Speaker 6: the playoffs and is already there. And I think that

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Speaker 6: I would Again, I'm gonna spend more time on it,

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Speaker 6: but I would lean towards Miles Garrett in that sense.

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Speaker 2: Now you're a voter too, right, No, I'm not. Oh

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Speaker 2: I thought you were. No. If I was a voter,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't brought you and I would just said all

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Speaker 2: this stuff myself. Good point for you, good point by you. No,

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Speaker 2: would you what would you do with your What would

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Speaker 2: you do with your Coach of the Year vote, and

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Speaker 2: so I think it's I think it's Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 6: Should quarterbacks get the benefit of the doubt that we

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Speaker 6: tend to give them as MVPs, I feel really strongly

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Speaker 6: that you give twenty five weight to playing that position.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's that valuable. I mean, and honestly,

477
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Speaker 2: you know, even like when you talk to like guys

478
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Speaker 2: about betting and sports books, other players don't move the

479
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Speaker 2: line the betting line nearly as much as quarterbacks, which

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Speaker 2: if we're talking value, if we're talking how many points

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Speaker 2: they make a difference in the outcome of games. As

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Speaker 2: great as McCaffrey is, you know, it's just very difficult

483
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Speaker 2: when you compare it to a quarterback. I have a

484
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Speaker 2: question for you, what do they tell you guys about

485
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Speaker 2: comeback player of the Year because that is such a

486
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Speaker 2: weird war and it's like, well, I don't know, I

487
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Speaker 2: guess Brock Purdy came back from elbow surgery, and Joe

488
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Speaker 2: Flacco came back from retirement or the couch, and you know,

489
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Speaker 2: Damar Hamlin came back from obviously that horrific, tragic, almost

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Speaker 2: tragic incident. Like I don't know how you're comparing these

491
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Speaker 2: guys because it's like three different animals.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's completely you know, subjective.

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Speaker 7: And with.

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Speaker 6: Damar Hamlin, his have his contributions to the Bills been

495
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Speaker 6: the same that Baker mayfields where Joe Flacco's were certainly not.

496
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Speaker 2: Was his situation.

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Speaker 6: Miles and miles in galaxies more dire than theirs and

498
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Speaker 6: the point to which he came back he traveled a

499
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Speaker 6: further road. Yeah, he definitely did. So are we talking

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Speaker 6: about the impact made and the place that you started

501
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Speaker 6: at as that's a breathtaking comeback or production on the field.

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Speaker 6: So there's no guidance given. It's a subjective measure and

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Speaker 6: I think that that is just a great conversation point too,

504
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Speaker 6: is to what would you use as a fan because

505
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Speaker 6: there's no way to measure. What would you use as

506
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Speaker 6: a fan to measure the comeback?

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Speaker 2: What would you say? Uh, Well, I think you got

508
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Speaker 2: to perform on the field. I think it's not just

509
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Speaker 2: coming back from something. I think you have to then

510
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Speaker 2: take it on. Mean, awards are supposed to be for

511
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Speaker 2: accomplishments on the field, not just getting back. I feel

512
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Speaker 2: like Hamlin's like in a different category, you know what,

513
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's it makes it tough. We're talking about

514
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Speaker 2: my buddy Tom Curran NBC Sports Bolliston and he's got

515
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Speaker 2: a perfect backdrop which lets you know that he's the

516
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Speaker 2: host of the Patriots Talk podcast, which is awesome. Let's

517
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Speaker 2: get into that. By the way, Tom, I you probably

518
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Speaker 2: here's my first question on a daily basis, how many

519
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Speaker 2: people ask you what's gonna happen with Thatchick? When you

520
00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 2: walk around when you're anywhere in your life, you go

521
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Speaker 2: to the mall, the people still go to malls, whatever,

522
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Speaker 2: wherever you go, when you're around family, how many times

523
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Speaker 2: a day do you think someone asks you what's gonna

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Speaker 2: happen with Belichick?

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Speaker 6: I would say the percentage of people asking me in

526
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Speaker 6: a setting in which the gym dunkin donuts, I would

527
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Speaker 6: say it's really close to it's a percentage, call it

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Speaker 6: seventy percent. What's gonna happen?

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Speaker 2: It's gonna happen with Bill. So, so typically, do you

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Speaker 2: go and get the donuts and coffee before you work

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Speaker 2: out or after you work out?

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Speaker 6: That's gonna be It's just gonna be a coffee. First off,

533
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Speaker 6: we're not gonna go with the donuts.

534
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Speaker 2: We're gonna get the coffee early. We're gonna work out later.

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Speaker 6: But in the course of the conversation, I say what,

536
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Speaker 6: I'll tell you what I say. They made a decision.

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Speaker 6: Can Bill wriggle off the hook? Can Bill somehow be

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Speaker 6: persuasive enough in a meeting at the end of the

539
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Speaker 6: season for the Crafts to change their minds and say,

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Speaker 6: you know what, let's run it back. Look, the circumstances

541
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Speaker 6: don't lend themselves right now to us moving on, because Russ,

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Speaker 6: that's the crux of it. As I reported, you know,

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Speaker 6: in mid December, at that juncture, after they had come

544
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Speaker 6: out of Germany, not because of the game in Germany

545
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Speaker 6: and the loss to the Indianapolis Colts, but at that

546
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Speaker 6: point conversations I had indicated strongly that the Patriots were

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Speaker 6: going to part ways with Bill at the end of

548
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Speaker 6: the season. A decision had been made. Has he done

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Speaker 6: enough in the five weeks since to change it? Or,

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Speaker 6: as ownership scrutinized as a situation, do they say, are

551
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Speaker 6: we setting ourselves up to be a better team next year?

552
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Speaker 6: Is this what's good for the football team? And that's

553
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Speaker 6: a question that I think they certainly have to answer

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Speaker 6: before they make the ultimate decision on Bill and actually

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Speaker 6: follow through with it.

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Speaker 2: So you can make a decision.

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Speaker 6: You and I can both decide to, you know, jump

558
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Speaker 6: off cliff. But if we both get to that cliff,

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Speaker 6: I go, Russ.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty high. It's kind of windy. Do you want

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Speaker 2: it to come back tomorrow when it's less windy? Do

562
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Speaker 2: you do you think he definitely wants to be back.

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Speaker 6: Every indication I've gotten from folks reporting on it has

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Speaker 6: indicated that he does.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I didn't know. Maybe he was ready to go

566
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Speaker 2: to the Chargers or go somewhere else and try to

567
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Speaker 2: win and and break this record sooner. Yeah.

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Speaker 6: But the interesting thing, and I spoke to somebody on

569
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Speaker 6: the staff yesterday. They said one of the most remarkable

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Speaker 6: things about this has been Bill's consistency. He has shown

571
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Speaker 6: not one inkling of drama. He hasn't blinked a bit,

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Speaker 6: He hasn't mentioned it. The staff is completely in the

573
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Speaker 6: dark and given them the Kraft family has not yet

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Speaker 6: spoken with Bill Belichick. Our buddy Mike Reach reporting that

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Speaker 6: Monday is when the conversation will take place. Bill's in

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Speaker 6: the dark, So as of this time, there's no conversation held,

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Speaker 6: which to me, it seems really hard for us, doesn't it,

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Speaker 6: to sit down on Monday and start trying to figure

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Speaker 6: out how the best way to move forward is if

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Speaker 6: you're going to keep Bill.

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Speaker 2: You agree with me absolutely. If they were going to

582
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Speaker 2: keep him, they would already be talking about off season

583
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Speaker 2: plans and stuff like that. Let me ask you this time,

584
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Speaker 2: what would be his argument? Like, Pretend I'm Robert Kraft

585
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Speaker 2: and you're Bill Belichick and we sit down and I say, Bill,

586
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Speaker 2: I think I think we're gonna move on. Like, try

587
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Speaker 2: to sell me on your Bill Belichick. Try to sell

588
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Speaker 2: me on why I should keep you perfect. Look, it's

589
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: been one season. Okay, we were eight and nine. I

590
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Speaker 2: kind of thought we were heading in the right direction

591
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Speaker 2: with Matt last year. You didn't.

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Speaker 6: Mac Jones was playing well. At the end of the year, Well,

593
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Speaker 6: you wanted to switch it offensive coordinator, and I loved

594
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Speaker 6: thell O'Brien, so I said, all right, let's make that switch.

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Speaker 6: In the end, Mac regressed. We had injuries, We had

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Speaker 6: Col Strange out, we had mikel Wan who we had

597
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Speaker 6: our right tackles who I signed in free agency. Neither

598
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Speaker 6: of them we were able to get on the field period.

599
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Speaker 6: So our offensive line was in disrepair, so we weren't

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Speaker 6: able to protect Mac and as a result, his decision

601
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Speaker 6: making really ended up being pretty bad. So we were

602
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Speaker 6: victimized by injuries. But if you look, Robert, you look

603
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Speaker 6: at our defensive side of the ball. We lost Matt

604
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Speaker 6: Judah and Christian Gonzalez, our two best defenders, and we

605
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Speaker 6: are one of the best teams in the league defensively.

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Speaker 6: And if it wasn't for the turnovers, and if it

607
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,280
Speaker 6: wasn't for the mistakes, we would be fine. Now we

608
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Speaker 6: got a quarterback heavy draft, we got a top five pick,

609
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Speaker 6: we got sixty eight million dollars worth of cap space.

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Speaker 6: Don't you want somebody who's experienced at the point of

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Speaker 6: the spear here making these decisions.

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Speaker 2: I can take care of this.

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Speaker 6: There's circumstances that injected themselves into this year that made

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Speaker 6: it this way. So don't talk to me about the

615
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Speaker 6: Brady decision. Don't talk to me about the money that

616
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Speaker 6: we spent in free agency two years ago.

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Speaker 2: Don't talk to me about all the draft picks we've missed.

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Speaker 6: Robert, you know and I know that I'm the greatest

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Speaker 6: coach of all time, and I stand on that.

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Speaker 2: But oh, it's not a one year thing. It's been

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Speaker 2: three out of the last four years. And you're the

622
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Speaker 2: guy in charge of everything. So why would your backup

623
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Speaker 2: quarterback be a guy that you were willing to cut

624
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Speaker 2: and put on the practice squad in Bailey's appy. You

625
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: could have given yourself a better option there in case

626
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Speaker 2: Mac Jones faltered.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, you got me on that one. I mean, I mean,

628
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Speaker 6: look look at jo Flacco. He's standing out there, he's

629
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Speaker 6: minding his own business. We certainly could have brought him

630
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Speaker 6: in in August and not have to have suffered through Mac.

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Speaker 2: You know what's interesting tell him by the way, And

632
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Speaker 2: I don't know how often you go on stations in

633
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Speaker 2: other cities. The thing that's most interesting to me. Do

634
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,520
Speaker 2: you know that these other they don't want him?

635
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Speaker 7: Yeah?

636
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Speaker 2: You like, in other words, I've been on in DC

637
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Speaker 2: and I said, I think there's a decent chance you

638
00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 2: guys get Belichick because I think Josh Harris will you know,

639
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 2: he's a hedge fun guy. It's buying low, buying Belichick low,

640
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 2: and it gives credibility. And he's like, we don't want them, Like,

641
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Speaker 2: what do you mean they estimated ten percent of Washington

642
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,320
Speaker 2: football fans would want Belichickie then I'm on in Charlotte

643
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Speaker 2: and I thought, I can see Tepper doing that. Tepper

644
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Speaker 2: needs some credibility. Tepper needs a guy like this. They

645
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: don't want him down there either, And maybe it's just

646
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 2: short attention span, and maybe if they hired him Tom

647
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Speaker 2: they would feel differently. But I was blown away how

648
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Speaker 2: many of these fan bases don't seem to want like

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Speaker 2: it would not be a slam dunk home run people

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Speaker 2: excited about a hire because of what's happened this year.

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Speaker 6: I've said the same thing, you know, beginning when the

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Speaker 6: speculation was hot or began to warm up, they said,

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Speaker 6: I don't know if people are gonna be lining up

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Speaker 6: for Bill Belichick, and people in our market said, he

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Speaker 6: get crazy.

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Speaker 2: It's definitely gonna be people.

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Speaker 6: And I've actually moved off of that stance, given after

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Speaker 6: my report how many people said teams will line up.

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Speaker 6: But I think fans who say I don't think I

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Speaker 6: want that guy are looking at the draft history, are

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Speaker 6: looking at the offense and saying, it's an offensive league

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Speaker 6: and they're scoring ten points a game. And the reason

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Speaker 6: they're scoring ten points a game isn't because of Bill O'Brien,

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Speaker 6: and it's not totally because of Mac Jones. It's because

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Speaker 6: of the totality of the decisions made on the offensive

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Speaker 6: side of the ball. Jacobe Meer is going off in

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Speaker 6: another seventy catch season for seven hundred yards, and the

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Speaker 6: Patriots said, no, we don't want him, give us juju.

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Speaker 6: The guy's right and front of and you don't want him.

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Speaker 6: Tom Brady's right in front of you, and you're trying

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Speaker 6: to move him out the door, and you finally get

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Speaker 6: him out and he goes and wins the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 6: So to me, Ross, you were here when the Patriots

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Speaker 6: were an outstanding team. Bill's involvement with offense and his

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Speaker 6: ability to cultivate offense has always been propped up, helped

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Speaker 6: aided by very able assistant coaches, whether it be your

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Speaker 6: line coach here, Dante Scarneki, or the offensive coordinator. And

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Speaker 6: I think that's where the rubber meets the road for

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Speaker 6: Bill's next spot.

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Speaker 2: So there's a strong possibility Tom this is his last

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Speaker 2: game there and last conference. Will you miss him and

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Speaker 2: his press conferences, or if you're being honest, will be

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Speaker 2: glad he's gone?

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Speaker 6: Oh No, I'll definitely miss him Rouss definitely. I mean,

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Speaker 6: it's if it comes to pass. It's twenty four years

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Speaker 6: of covering the guy. I was here when he was

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Speaker 6: here in two thousand. We had a lot of good

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Speaker 6: times in press conferences, a lot of laughs, even conversations

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Speaker 6: on the phone and in person away from the stadium.

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Speaker 2: So it's been a good relationship. It's just that's where the.

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Speaker 6: You know, being across purposes exists with being a media

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Speaker 6: person who does analysis as well as information gathering. You

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Speaker 6: have to analyze the direction of the team and opinionize

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Speaker 6: on well, why are they the way they are? So

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Speaker 6: that is going to end up fracturing a relationship if

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Speaker 6: I'm keep saying that Bill has run this team kind

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Speaker 6: of into a ditch and it's smoking and you have

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Speaker 6: to make a decision to move on.

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Speaker 2: That's the job.

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Speaker 6: Look at it objectively, but certainly the what the you know,

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Speaker 6: what he has meant to this region. The success I've

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Speaker 6: had in this business and the number of times I've

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Speaker 6: been on Dan Patrick is thanks in large part to

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Speaker 6: the fact I covered a team that he was at

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Speaker 6: the front of and helped to make as good as

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Speaker 6: it was.

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Speaker 2: So it's been helpful for me, obviously. It's a really

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Speaker 2: really good point. Tom. Always great to talk with you, man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on the show. All right, buddy, have

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Speaker 2: a great weekend. Thank you. Absolutely. There he is Tom Curran,

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Speaker 2: NBC Sports Boston. We got a bunch of football questions

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Speaker 2: to get to when we come back forty three minutes

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Speaker 2: past the hour. It's the Dan Patrick Show.

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Speaker 2: Smoked baby back ribs brought with mustard bar green chili,

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Speaker 2: mac and cheese. That is the meat Friday menu. According

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Speaker 2: to one polypaps, I'm look at me. I'm if you're

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Speaker 2: not watching on peacock, you can't see, but I am

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Speaker 2: salivating like Pavlov's dog, right or just even saying those

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Speaker 2: because I haven't really any I've had a banana so

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Speaker 2: far this morning, so like that that is going to be.

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Speaker 2: So here's the plan. During the last commercial break, I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna crush some baby back ribs quick, because that's not

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Speaker 2: that's not a drivable, that's not an edible item. While

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Speaker 2: you're driving, right, but the.

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Speaker 3: Brons are What do you think about putting this in

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Speaker 3: a car? You know, like you know when you're on

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Speaker 3: that like the exit row of an airplane and you

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Speaker 3: don't have the normal seatback fold down thing to put

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Speaker 3: your food on, and they have that little fold up Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it comes from the arm rest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: What if in the arm rest of a car like

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Speaker 3: an suv they had to fold up fold out tray.

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Speaker 2: So let's not kill each other.

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Speaker 3: People eat when they drive, so instead of having to

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Speaker 3: hold it and having one hand, you could drive with

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Speaker 3: two hands and then occasionally take a bite of said Berger.

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Speaker 2: I think that's genius. By the way, when I was

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Speaker 2: out in Arizona for the Cardinals Ravens game, they had

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Speaker 2: cars with no drivers. That's like a thing like Uber.

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Speaker 2: There was car you could get an Uber with no driver.

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Speaker 2: That's happening already. Yes, that's crazy. Isn't that nuts? That's

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Speaker 2: a real thing that was happening people. I'm sure you

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Speaker 2: can hit me up on social media at Ross Tucker

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Speaker 2: NFL or hit up the guys at DP show. But

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure the driverless cars that's a thing for

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Speaker 2: Uber because when you pulled up the uber. You could

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Speaker 2: pick whether you wanted a driver or not.

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Speaker 3: Who do you flip off or you get cut off

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Speaker 3: by one of these cars? You just give a dirty

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Speaker 3: luck and there's nobody there.

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Speaker 2: I don't know. By the way, did you guys see

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Speaker 2: our guy Wemby last night? No chance, I'm gonna try

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Speaker 2: to pronounce his last name, but he was awesome. In fact,

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Speaker 2: let's do stat of the day for Wemby last night.

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Speaker 2: So here's my I think it is so cool about this.

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Speaker 2: Wemby had five blocks last night against Giannis in the Bucks.

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Speaker 2: He's averaging three point two block shots per game. He's

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Speaker 2: on pace to be the first rookie to average at

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Speaker 2: least three block shots per games since Shaquille O'Neill and

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Speaker 2: Alonzo Morning both averaged three point five blocks per game

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Speaker 2: in ninety three. So what's interesting to you guys about that?

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Speaker 2: The fact that the same year two guys averaged three

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Speaker 2: exactly three point five Morning and Shack, and that nobody's

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Speaker 2: been able to do that since. Kind of interesting, right,

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Speaker 2: Like thirty years, dude, thirty years.

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Speaker 3: And Victor he only plays like twenty four minutes a

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Speaker 3: game when he's up to like thirty four minutes a game,

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Speaker 3: Where will the stats be? I think he's play twenty

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Speaker 3: six minutes last night.

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Speaker 2: Here's my question about So you're going by Victor, I'm

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Speaker 2: going by Wemby. Does anybody know actually how to say

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Speaker 2: his last time? When Bonyama? When Banyama, When Bonyama?

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Speaker 3: When bon Yama?

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Speaker 2: That sounds like wem Banyama. Man, I'm not I'm not.

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Speaker 3: Even one hundred percent sure I'm right, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's Wimbon like bon.

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Speaker 2: Yama, right, like Bona when when Bon? When bon Yama?

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Speaker 2: My name is bon Wembon Great? All right, Yama? Do

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Speaker 2: you think fifty years from now there will be like

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Speaker 2: ten Wemby's like fifty years from now? Because I heard

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Speaker 2: last night Reggie Miller was all with my guy Kevin

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Speaker 2: Harland called him a unicorn, and right now he is

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Speaker 2: a unicorn. But the way things evolve, fifty years from now,

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Speaker 2: will there be four or five seven foot four dudes

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Speaker 2: that are skilled like that? Will any of us still

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Speaker 2: be alive fifty years from now to actually see that happen?

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll take odds on that when we come back

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Speaker 2: meet Friday might not be the ideal day to have

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Speaker 2: this discussion,