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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyon, and this is episode number sixty nine.

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Speaker 1: Tay the show. We're going to be chatting with one

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Speaker 1: of the country's most prolific big buck hunters, and that's

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Speaker 1: Adam Hayes. So let's get to it all right. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by

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Speaker 1: Sick Gear. Now listen up, guys and gals. Today We've

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Speaker 1: got a guest on the show who I've wanted to

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Speaker 1: have on four months and months and months, and finally

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Speaker 1: it's actually happening. This guest, of course, as I mentioned

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Speaker 1: just a few seconds ago, is Adam Hayes, and you

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Speaker 1: might recognize him from the TV show Team two hundred,

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Speaker 1: or his past appearances on shows like White Tail Addictions

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Speaker 1: and others, or in a bunch of different white tailed

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Speaker 1: publications and books. But in a nutshell, what you need

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Speaker 1: to know about Adam is that he is a ridiculously

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Speaker 1: impressive hunter of big, mature white tails, and specifically those

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Speaker 1: biggest of the big bucks. Because he's a little bit

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Speaker 1: notorious for the fact that he has killed three, yes,

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Speaker 1: three two bucks. That's impressive. Now, we do, though, always

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Speaker 1: want to make the point that, you know, the score

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Speaker 1: of a buck isn't everything. There's way more that goes

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Speaker 1: into a hunt and into the value of the deer

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Speaker 1: than justice antlers. But that aside for someone who simply appreciates,

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Speaker 1: you know, the impressiveness and rarity of an animal like

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Speaker 1: that and having them the skills to find and pattern

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Speaker 1: and kill three bucks like that, I'm just kind of

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Speaker 1: I don't want any other word. Others had impressed, just

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Speaker 1: impressed and intrigued and very curious about how Adam does it.

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Speaker 1: But with that all said, today we're going to dive

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Speaker 1: into the mind of Adam Hayes and try to understand

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Speaker 1: how he's able to have this kind of success and

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Speaker 1: in particular, how he uses theories about the moon to

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Speaker 1: help him do it. So, Dan, am I the only

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Speaker 1: one over here that's all jacked up and excited. I'm jacked,

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Speaker 1: I'm pumped up, stoked, I'm geeked, I'm happy, I'm excited.

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Speaker 1: I think I'm out of words now. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: this is going to be one of those episodes two,

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Speaker 1: because not only are you tripping out over there, but

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Speaker 1: I just drink a Red Bull, so I'm pretty well

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Speaker 1: hopped up on cafe. This is a family show Mark

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Speaker 1: Red Bull. While you know, caffeine maybe considered an addictive drug,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's one of those PG caffeine drugs. So

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Speaker 1: I had a mountain dew at work today because I

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Speaker 1: literally fell asleep at my desk. Yeah, I can't it

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Speaker 1: can't be having that happened. I speaking of desks, I

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Speaker 1: just got back from visiting my old desk job. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I would like to rub it in their face. No,

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Speaker 1: I went back to the old Goog and talked to

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Speaker 1: that says that I went there. It was fun to

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Speaker 1: catch up with some friends and stuff, and they have

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Speaker 1: So that's good. But um, I'm very excited to talk

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Speaker 1: today and I have to share this. Okay. I got

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Speaker 1: the strangest text message I've ever gotten from another man

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Speaker 1: in my entire life. I'm a guy. A guy text

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Speaker 1: underwear are you wearing? Yeah? I probably should have been

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Speaker 1: more only you would ever text me that. Hey, I

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Speaker 1: I really don't care what you're actually wearing, right, So

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Speaker 1: that was interesting. So that that really started off today

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Speaker 1: on on an interesting note. I'll say anything dear related

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Speaker 1: I don't think we've talked about it on the podcast yet,

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Speaker 1: So we're not going old their hunting now, we're going

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Speaker 1: I got my I got some calls driving my wife

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Speaker 1: can understand why that might driver crazy. I did the

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Speaker 1: I practiced the cow calls. Right, It's cool, though, I

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Speaker 1: don't know what's more annoying a crying baby or an

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Speaker 1: it's probably hell no matter what. But for me, I'm

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Speaker 1: And when you approached me and you're like, hey, I

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Speaker 1: that is that is super cool. So there's that, there's

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Speaker 1: as we do every week, I'm asking Sick of product

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Speaker 1: want to ask Dennis why Sick of Gear doesn't have

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Speaker 1: it eliminates the sent at a base layer level. UM,

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Speaker 1: we talked, we talk about authenticity, We talk about not

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Speaker 1: desorption process of carbon and where where you're you know,

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Speaker 1: it does saturate, as do most of these things, and

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Speaker 1: just increased my success tenfold when I started looking at

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00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:45,399
Speaker 1: it from that perspective. Yeah, And it's that's one of

431
00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: those things the last few years to that that I've

432
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: been trying to better understand. But like you said, it's

433
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 1: it's tricky to find those spots, and I think a

434
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: lot of people struggle translating it from something they read

435
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:57,159
Speaker 1: or hear about too then actually finding it in the

436
00:23:57,200 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: field and be like, oh, yeah, this is that spot.

437
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: So I'm curious, and maybe this is um too much

438
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,480
Speaker 1: of a curve ball, but is there like a specific

439
00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,520
Speaker 1: stand site that you can think of right now of

440
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,679
Speaker 1: yours that that kind of fits this mold that you

441
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 1: could describe, you know, in detail, like just as an

442
00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 1: example that we could kind of visualize. Um, yeah, I

443
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 1: guess the best example. I'll try to try not to

444
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 1: make this too confusing, But if you've got an animal

445
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 1: that's working the edge of the field just inside the tember,

446
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: and you've got a wind that's blowing from the field

447
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: into the timber, and that deer is moving along the

448
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:42,800
Speaker 1: edge of that field perpendicutor perpendicular to where that he's

449
00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:46,199
Speaker 1: got a cross wind, and he's actually winding that field

450
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 1: for said, checking that field. One of the big deer

451
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:55,639
Speaker 1: that I killed was doing that, and where I was

452
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: able to kill him was where he stopped moving in

453
00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:03,800
Speaker 1: that direction and and turned to go into the field. Now,

454
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:09,600
Speaker 1: his betting area was back behind this, you know, edge

455
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: of the field. So when he come out of this

456
00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: betting area, he's walking straight into the wind. He gets

457
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,439
Speaker 1: to the edge of the field, he turns and starts

458
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 1: working the edge of the field with a cross wind.

459
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 1: So when that deer got up out of his bed,

460
00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:26,879
Speaker 1: he's he's heading towards his food source source wind in

461
00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:30,880
Speaker 1: the space he gets to the field, he starts smoothing

462
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,040
Speaker 1: left and right with a cross wind so he can

463
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: smell everything in the field. And then when he stopped

464
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: about a hundred yards down and turned. That was where

465
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 1: my stand was at. So really that deer was doing

466
00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:46,399
Speaker 1: everything perfectly. He got up out of his bed, wind

467
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: in his space, he got to the edge of the

468
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,640
Speaker 1: field instead of going out into the field when it's

469
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: still daylight. He's working the edge of it, just inside

470
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: the tember like a mature animal wheel, rubs and scrapes

471
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: all along inside of the timber. And if I would

472
00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:03,560
Speaker 1: have been a hundred yards down that trail to where

473
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: he was directly into the cover from where I was,

474
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: my scent would have been blown right into him. But

475
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,280
Speaker 1: I knew by reading the sign I needed to be

476
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,880
Speaker 1: down his trail to where he turned and got came

477
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:19,399
Speaker 1: into the field, so that my wind was blowing in

478
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,159
Speaker 1: the same direction he was coming from. But it was

479
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: just you know, a hundred yards down through the timber.

480
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,440
Speaker 1: Are you are you guys following me with that? Yeah?

481
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,720
Speaker 1: It just sounds perfect. Um, So did you did you

482
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,959
Speaker 1: figure out that a buck was doing this? Was this

483
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,760
Speaker 1: like based on observation or was it purely like, Okay,

484
00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 1: you're making some assumptions. I believe there's a buck better here.

485
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,639
Speaker 1: I believe he'll want to come out to the field

486
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: and then then you start checking that edge and you

487
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,720
Speaker 1: saw a sign there and that's confirming your assumptions. And

488
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 1: you know, is that how you were figuring these things

489
00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: out or was it actually seeing him do it before? Yeah,

490
00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: it really starts late season, when all the covers down

491
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: seasons over with. You can go in and you can

492
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: find these core are areas where these mature animals feel safe. Um,

493
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 1: it's usually really thick cover. There's usually going to be

494
00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 1: a concentration of a lot of you know, medium to

495
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: big rubs in the area, and it's you know, it's

496
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: a it's a core area, it's a it's a big

497
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,159
Speaker 1: Bucks betting area. And you find those late season scouting.

498
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: You can read the sign, you can see what direction

499
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: they're heading, um, based on the you know, the direction

500
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 1: of their rubs. You find their scrapes. I mean, the

501
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: food sources are pretty obvious where they're going to be feeding,

502
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,199
Speaker 1: and you just start connecting the dots and you just

503
00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: look at it through the animal's eyes and think, you know,

504
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,439
Speaker 1: how can I get from here to there and be safe?

505
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: And what wind do I need to feel safe? And

506
00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: it's it's just you know, trying to get that big

507
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: picture and understand what the animals doing. And this is

508
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: all done excuse me, Like I said, months in advance,

509
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: and then you know, you you go in in September

510
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,879
Speaker 1: after these animals start, you know, shedding that velvet and

511
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: rubbing on trees to confirm that they're back in the area,

512
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 1: and you know, just there there is some guests work

513
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 1: to it, and then some things that you're just gonna

514
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 1: have to try to take for granted that are going

515
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:20,040
Speaker 1: to happen. But it's a whole process that starts, you know,

516
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 1: as soon as soon as season's over, with trying to

517
00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: figure out where these animals are living, what they're doing,

518
00:28:25,400 --> 00:28:27,879
Speaker 1: and you know, getting that big picture and putting the

519
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: pieces of the puzzle together. How important is being mobile

520
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:38,240
Speaker 1: to your process? You know, I love to have my

521
00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: stands in advance in a tree, you know, two or

522
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: three months before season if it's at all possible. But

523
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 1: and if things change almost on a daily basis, especially

524
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:54,560
Speaker 1: after season starts, you know, with food sources changing, crops

525
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: being harvested, hunting pressure there, it's just it's just a

526
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:05,960
Speaker 1: never ending cycle of change. And if you if you

527
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,240
Speaker 1: aren't able to think out of the box and be

528
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: able to change things up at the last minute. You're

529
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: really hurting your chance for success. You've got to be

530
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,560
Speaker 1: able to, you know, strap a stand on your back,

531
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 1: read your sign, go in and do a hanging hunt sometimes.

532
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: Now that's that's basically how I killed my biggest deer. Now,

533
00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 1: I saw that animal the night before come out. I

534
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,920
Speaker 1: knew from my scouting what I thought he would be doing,

535
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,000
Speaker 1: where I thought he'd be betting at, went in, stand

536
00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:39,480
Speaker 1: on my back, read the sign, pick the right trail,

537
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: and had equipment that I was actually able to hang

538
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,560
Speaker 1: in the tree quietly enough with that Ammo bet at

539
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: eighty yards away that I was able to killing. You know,

540
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: you gotta be able to do that if you want

541
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 1: to be successful consistently. When I when I hear about

542
00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:56,560
Speaker 1: that type of hunting strategy, and we talked about a

543
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: lot me and Dandy as well. But whenever I think

544
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: about the set of stuff, my mind instantly goes to

545
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 1: Andre de Quisto, Who's a guy that I think me

546
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 1: and Dan are both fascinated with um and you, from

547
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 1: what I understand, got to work with him, you know,

548
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,160
Speaker 1: with the TV show and different things like that. Was

549
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:14,720
Speaker 1: there any big lesson that you learned from him. Um,

550
00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:19,520
Speaker 1: that has translated into some of these soon as you're doing. Now. Yeah,

551
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: that particular hunt I probably would have never even tried

552
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: if it wouldn't have been for Andre. Yeah. I worked

553
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: for Andre for four or five years. UM. Spent a

554
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 1: lot of time in the tree with him. Um. And

555
00:30:33,360 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 1: I'll tell you one thing, if I was a big

556
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: animal that is the last man on this birth, I

557
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 1: would want trying to stick an arrow in me. He's

558
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: on at completely different level when it comes to chasing

559
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: white tails. Yeah, that's what seems. We're we're I think

560
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 1: we're kind of fanboys. Me and Dan are of everything

561
00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: that guy has done, and UM, just really interested in

562
00:30:57,480 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: and how he processes these types of situation and figures

563
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: out where to go, when to go there, how to

564
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: pull it off. And it sounds like you're doing a

565
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 1: lot of the same things, Um, which is which is

566
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 1: pretty cool stuff. I know that one of the things

567
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned a little while ago before we got into

568
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,479
Speaker 1: this whole piece of where to set up is the

569
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,080
Speaker 1: moon and thinking about in addition to how are the

570
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: deer using the wind in their favor, you also mentioned

571
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 1: that you're paying attention to the moon and that's helping

572
00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 1: you determine when to move into these places. UM. So

573
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: I'm curious and I've got a lot of questions around this.

574
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: Can you give us a high level overview of how

575
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: you think the moon influences deer and then how you

576
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: then have a strategy based around that. Can you give

577
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 1: us a high level and then we'll kind of dig

578
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:49,239
Speaker 1: in from there. Yeah, I got I got into some

579
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: moon theories about twenty years ago. A good friend of mine,

580
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:58,000
Speaker 1: Jeff Murray, who passed away a few years back, had

581
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 1: some really out of the box theory is when it

582
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: came to the moon. Um. He wrote a really interesting

583
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: book about it, The interviewed UM Miles Keller in that book,

584
00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: which I've learned and picked up and implemented a lot

585
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 1: of his strategies into my into my hunting. But Jeff's

586
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 1: theory basically was that there's four peak moon times every day.

587
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: You have the rise in the set, and you have

588
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:31,160
Speaker 1: the overhead and underfoot. And I've done quite a bit

589
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: of research on it over the last twenty years. And

590
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 1: when that moon is directly straight up or straight down

591
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 1: overhead or underfoot, that's when it's the closest to the

592
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,000
Speaker 1: Earth and it's in its rotation and that's when it

593
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:48,040
Speaker 1: has the most gravitational pool. I mean, it has a

594
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: big enough impact on the earth that it triggers tides.

595
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: A lot of people believe it triggers fish to feed,

596
00:32:55,320 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: and after watching it and paid close attention to it

597
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: for twenty years, it has a significant impact on mature animals.

598
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 1: It's basically a natural instinctive pool or urge for animals

599
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:15,480
Speaker 1: to get up and feed. And after you know, paying

600
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:18,760
Speaker 1: attention to it for this so long, I've seen it

601
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 1: happen so many times that I just, um, I believe

602
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 1: in it more than anything else. Uh, most dear, most

603
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: of your deer and the deer herd are going to

604
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: move at dawn and dusk, regardless your does, your fonds,

605
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: your immature bucks, they're gonna move, you know, within an

606
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: hour of daylight and dark every day. Pretty much. A

607
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 1: mature animal is not going to do that every day.

608
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: A lot of the times they're doing it, they're going

609
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,719
Speaker 1: to be doing it after dark, especially during hunting season.

610
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: What I found is that there's a handful of days

611
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 1: each month when those I call them red moon times,

612
00:33:58,600 --> 00:34:04,080
Speaker 1: when those moon times occur at prime time when that

613
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: moon is either peeking straight up overhead or underfoot within

614
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: two to three hours of dark in the evening or

615
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 1: daylight in the morning. Those are the days that there's

616
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: mature animals. You're gonna have your best chance of seeing

617
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: those mature animals move during daylight, because not only do

618
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: they want to normally move at that time, but they're

619
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: you know, there, their senses or the past history and

620
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: confrontations with hunters have changed their pattern to move under

621
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,879
Speaker 1: the cover and security of dark. Those days when that

622
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: mood is actually pulling them naturally to get up and

623
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: move a little bit early when they normally want to anyway.

624
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: And then you give that animal that perfect wind that

625
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,040
Speaker 1: I was talking about before, it's almost like it's too

626
00:34:55,160 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 1: much for that animal not to get up, because if

627
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,560
Speaker 1: you think about that bucks laying there, he wants to

628
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 1: get up in feed, he's got the wind in his favor,

629
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,279
Speaker 1: and then he's got the moon on top of that

630
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,399
Speaker 1: pulling him to get up within an hour or two

631
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: when he normally wants to get up a move anyway.

632
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,440
Speaker 1: It's just it's like too much of a natural urge

633
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: for them not do it. And I shot my I

634
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,919
Speaker 1: shot my knife food and Crockett animal with the bow

635
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: last year, and all nine of those animals have been

636
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 1: killed on days where those moon times pete at prime

637
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:35,920
Speaker 1: time in the morning or the evening. I believe in

638
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: it so much that I use it in the summer,

639
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,200
Speaker 1: even when I'm trying to get a look at a big,

640
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: mature animal. Development is anybody that's spending any time watching

641
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: sawybean fields in the summer knows that a giant deer

642
00:35:47,400 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 1: doesn't like to be seen even in the summer when

643
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: he knows the sinks. But there are days when you

644
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: get those overhead moons in the evenings that those are

645
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,839
Speaker 1: the best nights to see those animals. My second deer,

646
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 1: I was trying to get footage of it for my show.

647
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: I think it was the very first or second year

648
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 1: I did a TV show. I knew how big that

649
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 1: deer was. I was desperately trying to get some footage

650
00:36:10,280 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: of him, and I sat fifty one nights in a

651
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: row trying to film that, dear, and I swear to you,

652
00:36:16,320 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: the only two nights of that animal came out with

653
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 1: enough day like the film. We're right on those times

654
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 1: on that Moon Guide even have predicted it to a

655
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,760
Speaker 1: couple of my friends, and they thought I was nuts,

656
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: but I knew that was gonna be the nights. I

657
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 1: got video footage of the man I did. I got

658
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: the video footage to prove it. I'll show anybody the

659
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: dates and times of the animals that I've killed in

660
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: relationship to the times off Jeff Murray's Moon Guide. I

661
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: even went on I even went on the internet and

662
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: looked at the two biggest bucks killed in the country

663
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 1: last year, two giants from Iowa. Those deer were killed

664
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: on the same days and same times on the on

665
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: the red Moon times that I'm talking about. And I'll

666
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 1: bet you those guys had no idea, right, A lot

667
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: of guy as they're seeing this kind of a little

668
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: bit of extra movement, and they have no idea that

669
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: it might be correlated to some moon facings at that.

670
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:09,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, So something you mentioned a couple of times

671
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,200
Speaker 1: there was the moon Guide, which is the tool that

672
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: I'm just now. I've heard about a lot. I never

673
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: give it a whole lot of credence, but I've been

674
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: intrigued by I finally picked up one for myself, and

675
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be testing it this year. But I know

676
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 1: that's something that you've done a lot of work with.

677
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: Can you tell us what that specifically is and how

678
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 1: you use that to help you understand when these specific

679
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: red moon days are and everything else you can do

680
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, I mean it's a dial um. What

681
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: it does is it gives you every day from August

682
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 1: through January, gives you the moon times every day. And

683
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: what that What that does is you can look at

684
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,760
Speaker 1: that guy a and see months in advance, which days

685
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 1: month you have these perfect moon times, and you can

686
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 1: I schedule my out of state hunts around it. I

687
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: won't dive into my kill spots until i know I've

688
00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: got to you know, perfect moon days and moontimes on

689
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: my side. And one thing that the Moon Guide does

690
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: that none of the other moon guide or or hunting

691
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: apps out there do is it it tells you what

692
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: areas you need to be hunting in relationship to what

693
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: those times are, because obviously, if you have a a

694
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:24,959
Speaker 1: red moon time that hits in the middle of the day,

695
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: you're not going to be hunting the same type of

696
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 1: area that you would if it happened at primetime in

697
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 1: the evening. So the moon guide actually tells you every

698
00:38:35,080 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 1: day what the times are and where you need to

699
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:38,400
Speaker 1: be hunting, whether you need to be out on the

700
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 1: field edge, whether you need to be in a transition zone,

701
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 1: or you need to be back in the bedding cover.

702
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 1: So it really takes all the guests work out of

703
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 1: what day, what time, and where you need to be

704
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: at for your for your you know, your best chance

705
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: of catching a big deer moon during daylight. And and

706
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: again you mentioned that there's there's four times during the

707
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: day that has some type of peak. There's the rising

708
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:03,960
Speaker 1: and setting when the moon correlates with their coinsides of that,

709
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: and then the overhead and underfoot. Now, if I understand correctly,

710
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: the days that you're referring to as these red moon

711
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,359
Speaker 1: days though, is when those underfoot and overhead times are

712
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: at the same time as your typical morning activity or

713
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:21,960
Speaker 1: your typical evening activity. Is that right? Yeah, to a degree.

714
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: You know, for the first in fifteen years I used it,

715
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: I was strictly going off the the times for early season.

716
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know how many years in a row.

717
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: It was where I was killing a really big mature

718
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: animal early season in October, you know, during the October

719
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: law when most guys aren't really putting much effort into it,

720
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: and I thought, I figured, during the rut, you could

721
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: probably throw that thing out the window, because you know,

722
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: who knows what a buck's going to be doing in

723
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: November or where he's going to be doing it, or

724
00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: what time he's going to be doing it. But in

725
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: the last few years I started having a lot more

726
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,240
Speaker 1: success on layout of state hunts because I've been paying

727
00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: attention to the to that moon guide and not only

728
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: planning my hunts out of state by it, but spending

729
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:12,480
Speaker 1: more time in the woods during mid day on the

730
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 1: times when you get those overheads right into the middle

731
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: of the day. And in the last three years, I've

732
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 1: shot two booners in Kansas, one at ten o'clock and

733
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:26,400
Speaker 1: one at high noon, right on those overhead times. Because

734
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,440
Speaker 1: I do, I do, I honestly do. I mean I

735
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: had just as an example, three years ago, I had

736
00:40:36,360 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 1: gone out to Kansas a little early ahead of the

737
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: ahead of the red moon days, just to kind of

738
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: get stands up, get things ready, get my cameras up,

739
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:48,120
Speaker 1: start monitoring the area. Um I knew there was a

740
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: big gear on the farm where I was hunting, and

741
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 1: as soon as I got there this happened to a

742
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: lot of guys. You get there and all of a sudden,

743
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 1: Bama warm front heads and everything just shuts down. I mean,

744
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 1: it's eight degrees in November, and there's nothing worse than

745
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:08,879
Speaker 1: heat during November. I mean, the weather supersedes the moon.

746
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,160
Speaker 1: So I spent the first week there six seven days.

747
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 1: Nothing's going on. I'm watching my cameras, I'm hunting morning

748
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 1: and evening, hunting on the you know, the right moon times,

749
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: and just nothing about I don't know if it was

750
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 1: a six or seventh day. I get down around uh

751
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 1: ten thirty, gonna go grab a quick lunch, check a camera,

752
00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 1: change stands good to a different location. I slide in

753
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: and check a camera. I've got on a scrape, and

754
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: the big pennel was after was on camera twenty minutes

755
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: before I got there, five minutes off of the five

756
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,480
Speaker 1: minutes off the overhead moon. So my reasoning is that

757
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 1: the following day, the overhead moon is at twelve o'clock

758
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,799
Speaker 1: high noon. I'm gonna I've got to stand close to

759
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: that scrape. I'm gonna get in there early in the morning.

760
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: I'm planning on sitting all day. I shot the animal

761
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 1: the next day at until noon, ten minutes off that

762
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,399
Speaker 1: overhead moon. Now, if that happened, if that happened once

763
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:19,240
Speaker 1: in hunting career, yeah, coincidence maybe twice, But it's happened

764
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: to me nine times, just on the animals that I've killed.

765
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 1: I'm not not even talking about the animals the big

766
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,360
Speaker 1: bucks I've got on trail camera during the daylight, or

767
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:31,160
Speaker 1: the big ones that I've seen on those times. I mean,

768
00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 1: it's just it's too much to be just a coincidence.

769
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: You know, there's been a lot of research done where

770
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,120
Speaker 1: the guys from Deer and Deer Hunting and Alzheimer has

771
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 1: al Scheimer whatever you pronounced his name, have done have

772
00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 1: done radio collar studies and say that the moon is

773
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:58,399
Speaker 1: what triggers the rut. So you can't tell me that

774
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: the moon influences and triggers the rut. But it doesn't

775
00:43:02,120 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 1: have any influence on mature deer movie. It just it

776
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 1: makes no sense whatsoever. It does. I've seen it work.

777
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: I've got a wallful giant deer to prove it. If

778
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,040
Speaker 1: somebody wants to look at days and times I've killed him,

779
00:43:17,080 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: and yeah, I believe in it more than anything else

780
00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: that I do. And like I said before, when you

781
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: can find a big animal, do you're scouting nowhere you

782
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,719
Speaker 1: need to be to kill that buck and then have

783
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:33,280
Speaker 1: the discipline and the patience to wait for that perfect

784
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 1: wind in that perfect moon. Of those nine Buddha crockets,

785
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: I've killed every single one of them, but one has

786
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: been killed the first time I said that true. Stand

787
00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:44,000
Speaker 1: and I tell you when it comes to hunting big deer,

788
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: sometimes the toughest part of hunting big deer is not

789
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: even hotting him at all. And and stand out of

790
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,479
Speaker 1: that spot. Why go through all the effort to find

791
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: in these deer, spending countless hour scouting, figuring out where

792
00:43:56,600 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: you need to be, and then dive in before everything's perfect,

793
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 1: because chances are you're going to go in there not

794
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:05,360
Speaker 1: get it done. That animals going to either see you,

795
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: smeow ya, figure out what's going on, and then the

796
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: game just got tougher. You gotta go in and you

797
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: gotta kill him the first time in, and you've got

798
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: to wait for everything to be perfect before you go

799
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:17,759
Speaker 1: in and do it. And if you can do that,

800
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: you're gonna put more big deer on the ground, I

801
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: promise you. So then do you do you do any

802
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,719
Speaker 1: observation stands, like you're setting up just to see what

803
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,360
Speaker 1: this field is doing or getting close enough to a

804
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,680
Speaker 1: particular area knowing that it's not necessarily a kill set. Yeah.

805
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 1: I use observation stands. That's a technique that I picked

806
00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: up from um that book that Jeff wrote when he

807
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 1: interviewed Miles Killer, and Miles talked about his strategy of

808
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,479
Speaker 1: how he would hunt from the outside in basically hanging

809
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,399
Speaker 1: observation stand up watch an area and to learn what

810
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,760
Speaker 1: an animal was doing, and he would gradually move closer

811
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: and closer until he knew the exact tree he needed

812
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: to be in to kill an animal and what wind

813
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,200
Speaker 1: he needed in what area he needed to avoid to

814
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 1: get into that stand un detected. I started using observation

815
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: stands in the summer, you know, scouting for big deer

816
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 1: and watching how they would use a food source and

817
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: learning what winds they used and what trails they used

818
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: with each wind and that sort of thing. And you know,

819
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: even in the even in the season, I spent a

820
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: lot of time in my observation stands watching an area

821
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: developed because like I said, I won't go into an

822
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: area until everything is perfect the wind and the moon.

823
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: But just because I don't have the moon and the

824
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 1: wind in my favorite doesn't mean I'm gonna sit at

825
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: home and not hunt. I'm going to be in an

826
00:45:42,040 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 1: observation standard. I'm gonna be on a different farm trying

827
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,879
Speaker 1: to learn something about another deer. So that's a good observation.

828
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: Stands are, Yeah, there are a big keep to uh

829
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 1: to what I do. I think, you know, like you mentioned,

830
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:59,239
Speaker 1: UH had you know, understanding the fact that you need

831
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: to have all the as many of the possible variables

832
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: in your favor um before heading into your kill set,

833
00:46:04,680 --> 00:46:07,440
Speaker 1: and you know, understanding that patience that's needed. That was

834
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: one of the biggest kind of lightbulb moments for me.

835
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 1: That's really changed my type of success um. But I

836
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,640
Speaker 1: like the idea that you had their, you know, speaking

837
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 1: to the fact that, yeah, you don't want to go

838
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: into your best spots. You don't want to push into

839
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,279
Speaker 1: these areas until the conditions are right, but at the

840
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 1: same time you still can maybe get out there and

841
00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: learn something from a distance without observation stand because a

842
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 1: lot of guys, you know, when I talk about this

843
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: when I say, you know, hunt less and you'll kill more. Um,

844
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,360
Speaker 1: But they're like, well, I only get ton weekends or

845
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: only have so many opportunities that I can actually get

846
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 1: out there and hunt. Maybe this is you know, the

847
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: fact that yeah, you can get out there and hunt,

848
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: but observe and just wait until those perfect conditions before

849
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: you really push in there. I think that's a key

850
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: point to take home from here. Yeah, exactly, And that's

851
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:51,480
Speaker 1: what makes something like the Moon Guy even more important

852
00:46:51,520 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: to a guy. You know, not not everybody gets to

853
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 1: hunt every game season, you know, like somebody like myself

854
00:46:57,480 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 1: that got a week or two of vacation, or they've

855
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:03,799
Speaker 1: got you know, certain evenings or weekends that they don't have,

856
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, obligations to the family, and they have limited time.

857
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: That's why you can take that Moon Guide and look

858
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 1: months in advance and no, you know, here's the week,

859
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,840
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Speaker 1: And now back to the show. Yeah, yeah, So you

881
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: mentioned briefly a little bit earlier that you said that

882
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: weather does, in your opinion, transcend everything else. Can you

883
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: talk to us in a little more detail about how

884
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,879
Speaker 1: you believe weather is impacting deer movement? Um And then

885
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,840
Speaker 1: one thing in particular about weather. Temperature is usually where

886
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:38,879
Speaker 1: you know, my most people jump to and they think

887
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,279
Speaker 1: about weather, um. But also do you pay it all

888
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 1: attention to barometric pressure. This is something we've started to

889
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: been talking to more people about. I'm curious about what

890
00:48:47,080 --> 00:48:53,799
Speaker 1: your take on both temperature and pressure. Obviously, I think

891
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: the warm word is the more more it impacts the

892
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: run and probably suppresses it. Um. I mean, I don't

893
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 1: like to be out moving around when it's really hot out,

894
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:07,480
Speaker 1: so I'm sure a deer with his winter coat on

895
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:10,920
Speaker 1: doesn't like to either. You know. I've spent a lot

896
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:14,040
Speaker 1: of time hunting up in Canada, and those big animals

897
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 1: up there, they just will not move until it's it's

898
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: brutally cold. You know, They're just they're more comfortable moving

899
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: with the cooler temperature. So I definitely believe there's something

900
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,160
Speaker 1: to the you know, to the fact that the warmer

901
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 1: it is, especially during the rut, the less they're deer

902
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,720
Speaker 1: are gonna move. You know, I have noticed it seems

903
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:39,080
Speaker 1: like they're um during high pressure, seems to be a

904
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:43,200
Speaker 1: little bit more dear movement. But I can't honestly say

905
00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 1: that that I've paid as much attention to that as

906
00:49:46,040 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: I have the moon, you know, I definitely I definitely hunt,

907
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,480
Speaker 1: you know, at the at the beginning and the end

908
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 1: of any any type of fronts that moves through. You know,

909
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:02,240
Speaker 1: I've seen increased movement, uh, you know, on weather fronts

910
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: when they come in and after they have after they

911
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: passed through. But yeah, I hate to say a whole

912
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: lot about barre metric pressure and that sort of thing,

913
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,280
Speaker 1: because I just I really haven't paid that much attention

914
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: to it. I've just had such good success with the

915
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: moon and figuring out through trial and error what's worked

916
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 1: for me over the years that I just haven't let

917
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 1: that sort of thing impact my decisions when it comes

918
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,400
Speaker 1: to hunting a whole lot. Yeah, I think everything you

919
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:34,960
Speaker 1: said there was pretty consistent with you know, what I've

920
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: seen and heard. And I think, Dan, I don't know

921
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: how you are, but from my standpoint, every time we

922
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,279
Speaker 1: talked to someone about this, there's always you know, there's

923
00:50:43,320 --> 00:50:46,320
Speaker 1: a lot of consistent themes that a live successful hunters

924
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,040
Speaker 1: are picking up on when it comes to how deer

925
00:50:48,160 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: reacting to these different factors. But then each each of

926
00:50:50,800 --> 00:50:53,400
Speaker 1: us has a slightly different way that we maybe apply it,

927
00:50:53,640 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: or maybe a slightly different way of how we wait

928
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: each one of these different variables. But I think if

929
00:50:58,040 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: there's anything I've learned over sixty or seventy different of

930
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:05,839
Speaker 1: these interviews, it's that these factors do matter. Deer are

931
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,760
Speaker 1: influenced by things like the moon, weather pressure, hunting pressure,

932
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: all these things into varying degrees based on where you're

933
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 1: at and all these different factors. But if there's anything

934
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: I've learned, it's the fact that we need to have

935
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: our eyes open to this, like be aware of these things,

936
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: pay attention to these things, and you know, look at

937
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,600
Speaker 1: at each one of your hunts and be you know,

938
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 1: thinking through, Okay, what happened to it? Why did I

939
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: see thirty seven deer tonight? Or why was it that

940
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 1: that giant buck did move yesterday? And look at these

941
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: different variables, and we can start to learn some of

942
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:40,480
Speaker 1: these things ourselves if we pay attention to it. Yes,

943
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: I mean, it's funny how many people I talked to

944
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: about the moon and I start telling them, you know,

945
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:49,360
Speaker 1: about my my history with it, my observations over the years,

946
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,000
Speaker 1: and they start thinking about it. Said, yeah, you know,

947
00:51:52,120 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: I just driving down the road and see dear out

948
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. Wonder, what in the

949
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: hell are they doing out there in the middle field

950
00:51:58,600 --> 00:52:00,479
Speaker 1: at this time of the day. Well, it was probably

951
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:02,279
Speaker 1: because there was an overhead mood in the middle of

952
00:52:02,320 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: the day. It's just funny how how much attention guys

953
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: pay two gimmicks and how little attention they pay to

954
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:12,920
Speaker 1: something like the moon that has an effect on the

955
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: entire planet, and they're not open minded enough to think, well,

956
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: maybe maybe that same thing that influences tides does have

957
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: a little bit of influence on whin deer move. Yeah,

958
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: I would definitely say, rather than getting over excited about

959
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,560
Speaker 1: some kind of call or attracting or any other thing

960
00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:34,560
Speaker 1: you can buy in the store, I would much rather

961
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: be paying attention to what Mother nature is applying and

962
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 1: that what dear deal with every single day. Understand that

963
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 1: stuff first before you start getting too excited about any

964
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:46,960
Speaker 1: little extra gizmo you can get. Yeah. I mean, I'm

965
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,440
Speaker 1: not trying to be hard on anybody or for a

966
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:52,359
Speaker 1: point of finger at anybody about anything like that. There's

967
00:52:52,400 --> 00:52:55,239
Speaker 1: a lot of great products out there, but yeah, you know,

968
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: you get the nail on the head. It's about Mother

969
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:00,759
Speaker 1: nature and pain really paying attention to what's going on

970
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: with some other nature and and the natural world of

971
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 1: of the deer. Yeah, to piggyback on that question right there,

972
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:13,080
Speaker 1: You know, like an animal, they kind of have a sense,

973
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:17,080
Speaker 1: do you think like really good hunters have and and

974
00:53:17,440 --> 00:53:19,640
Speaker 1: and maybe I just ask you this question. Do you

975
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: kind of have a gut feeling when you walk into

976
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 1: the timber, like, you know what, I don't need to

977
00:53:24,560 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: be here, I need to be twenty yards further this way?

978
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean, do you have like a censor a gut

979
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:36,839
Speaker 1: feeling that is just like it's almost overwhelming to you. Yeah,

980
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: And I wish I would have paid more attension to

981
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 1: it over the years. Yeah, can you can you explain?

982
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:47,319
Speaker 1: Can you explain that a little bit? I mean, what

983
00:53:48,160 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: I know, you use the moon, use the weather, we

984
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: use all this stuff. But but so do I and

985
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 1: so do other hunters. And I just feel that there

986
00:53:57,560 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 1: is this something there's I guess what I'll say is

987
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:04,520
Speaker 1: some guys get it and some guys don't. And there's

988
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 1: that there's this mysterious line that it separates really good

989
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 1: hunters and and you know, the term good hunters kind

990
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,120
Speaker 1: of funny, but guys like you from guys like everybody else,

991
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 1: if that makes sense. Uh, I don't think it's I

992
00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: don't think it's anything that that I have that somebody

993
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,840
Speaker 1: else doesn't have. I think it's something that that I

994
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:32,720
Speaker 1: have learned from spending so much time in the woods

995
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:36,440
Speaker 1: and so much time paying attention to detail and and

996
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:40,400
Speaker 1: listening to um, you know, things that Andre used to

997
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: talk about, and reading what Jeff and Miles Killer talked about,

998
00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: and just putting all that stuff together, you know, in

999
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 1: the field, and keeping my mind open to to you know,

1000
00:54:52,200 --> 00:54:55,160
Speaker 1: two new things and out of the box thinking and

1001
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: maybe being aggressive, a little bit more aggressive than the

1002
00:54:58,040 --> 00:55:01,280
Speaker 1: average guy. I mean, I think it's just an accumulation

1003
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: of knowledge and time in the woods and you know,

1004
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 1: trying to figure out that big picture and looking at

1005
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 1: it from a deer's point of view instead of what

1006
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,839
Speaker 1: I think. And you know, sometimes sometimes I think it's

1007
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:18,839
Speaker 1: a matter of overthinking something. You step into step into

1008
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 1: the woods, and your your first your first gut instinct

1009
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 1: on where you need to be is is usually where

1010
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 1: you should be. I've caught myself to overthinking things and

1011
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: and ended up, you know, being in the wrong spot.

1012
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:35,160
Speaker 1: And you need to pay you pay attention to your instincts,

1013
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 1: especially you know, if you spend a lot of time

1014
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 1: in the woods and and uh, you know, just get

1015
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 1: to know you know how dear use the terrain and

1016
00:55:44,040 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 1: use the available cover. And yeah, I don't think it

1017
00:55:48,440 --> 00:55:50,880
Speaker 1: was anything I was born with or any advantage I

1018
00:55:50,920 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 1: have over anybody else. That there is in the fact

1019
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: that you know, I may have put more effort and

1020
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 1: time into, you know, learning about it, and there there's

1021
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:05,640
Speaker 1: no replacing the scouting and the time you spend in

1022
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,160
Speaker 1: the woods, learning your area and learning the animals that

1023
00:56:08,239 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: you're after. So you're not a Jedi, is what I'm

1024
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: getting at. No, No, okay, you know, I think I

1025
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: think what you said there at him is right in

1026
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 1: line with what my theory is. It's kind of always been,

1027
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:24,239
Speaker 1: is that there seems to be some type of threshold

1028
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,080
Speaker 1: that a hunter reaches at some point where after you know,

1029
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:30,000
Speaker 1: if you spend as much time as you do, whether

1030
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 1: it's actually in the field looking at things, or talking

1031
00:56:32,560 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: to other people or studying, you know, literature, whatever it

1032
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,239
Speaker 1: might be, what researching and delving into this stuff as

1033
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,600
Speaker 1: deeply as you do, and as me and Dan do, um,

1034
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:43,560
Speaker 1: I think at some point you reach a level where

1035
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:45,959
Speaker 1: this stuff goes from something that you need to sit

1036
00:56:46,040 --> 00:56:47,920
Speaker 1: and think about really hard, and it goes to a

1037
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 1: point where it becomes like second nature. Like I think

1038
00:56:50,760 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 1: that's when it starts feeling like a gut instinct, when

1039
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:55,399
Speaker 1: you walk into a stand of timber and you're like, yeah,

1040
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 1: that's the spot ney to be. That's not like you're

1041
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,000
Speaker 1: a Jedi, that's that's that's just because you spent twenty

1042
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,000
Speaker 1: five years thinking about these things, processing things, and now

1043
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:06,319
Speaker 1: they've become something that's almost part of your sense, part

1044
00:57:06,320 --> 00:57:08,879
Speaker 1: of your your inner self because it's just what you've

1045
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,239
Speaker 1: studied and experienced so much. That's kind of how I

1046
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: look at it. Yeah, I mean, it's like anything else,

1047
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: the more time and effort be put into it, the

1048
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: more becomes second nature. So I want to keep on rewinding.

1049
00:57:23,520 --> 00:57:24,920
Speaker 1: There's all these things that you mentioned in the in

1050
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: the beginning that I want to dive into further now

1051
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: that are still on the top of my head. You

1052
00:57:29,160 --> 00:57:31,600
Speaker 1: talked about the success that you have towards the end

1053
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: of October, partly in that period of time that people

1054
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: call the October lowell Um, and from some of the

1055
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:38,760
Speaker 1: things I've read you you've certainly killed some of your

1056
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 1: giant bucks during that time. Firm, and I understand that.

1057
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: You know what we've been talking about the moon and

1058
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:46,560
Speaker 1: understanding to be patient and waiting to push in until

1059
00:57:46,560 --> 00:57:48,200
Speaker 1: those conditions are right. I know it's a big part

1060
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: of your your kind of formula for success. But what

1061
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,600
Speaker 1: else are you doing at that time of year. What

1062
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: are the other pieces of that puzzle in late October

1063
00:57:56,240 --> 00:57:58,800
Speaker 1: that are helping you have success because people struggle with

1064
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:04,560
Speaker 1: that sometimes. Yeah, well it goes back to really seeing

1065
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,120
Speaker 1: the big picture and understanding what's going on that time

1066
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: of the year. You know, if if if you're after

1067
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 1: a specific animal and you want your best opportunity to

1068
00:58:15,160 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: kill that animal, you need to concentrate on when that

1069
00:58:19,120 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: animal is going to be the most predictable and the

1070
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 1: most patternable, and that's early season, before you've got into

1071
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,920
Speaker 1: into the rut when he's chasing all over the place.

1072
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 1: Late season, they've been pressured for three or four months

1073
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: and they're on edge every little thing they hear and

1074
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:40,040
Speaker 1: smell and see. Early season is I think it's your

1075
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: best chance to kill a specific animal. And you know,

1076
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people talk about the October law and

1077
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,760
Speaker 1: how tough it is to hunt. Yeah, it is in

1078
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,240
Speaker 1: a sense. But you know I learned this from Andre

1079
00:58:54,000 --> 00:58:59,040
Speaker 1: is that those animals are doing the exact same thing

1080
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: pretty much every day. All they're doing is they're betting,

1081
00:59:02,400 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: and they're feeding, and they're going from A to B

1082
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: and they're doing it in a very very small area.

1083
00:59:09,720 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: They're not traveling very far at all. They're they're very

1084
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,479
Speaker 1: vulnerable because they're so predictable and powerable because they're doing

1085
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:21,720
Speaker 1: the same thing every day. But they're very tough to

1086
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: kill because they're doing it in a very small area

1087
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 1: and you're normally only going to get one chance to

1088
00:59:26,600 --> 00:59:30,600
Speaker 1: invade that little area before games over, and it completely

1089
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: changes his pattern. He goes, notternally goes to the next

1090
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: farm over. I don't believe they run out of the county,

1091
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: but they will definitely change their patterns. So you're only

1092
00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,720
Speaker 1: going to get one crack at them early. So that's

1093
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: when the late season scouting comes into play. That's when

1094
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: you know knowing what these animals are doing, where they're at,

1095
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 1: you know where they're betting, where they're feeding, how they're

1096
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:58,240
Speaker 1: getting back and forth. Are made to be knowing where

1097
00:59:58,280 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 1: the weak spot, that where you need to be to

1098
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 1: kill him, having things set up, knowing what wins, you

1099
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: need to get into that spot to kill him, you know,

1100
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 1: maybe having since strategically placed trail cameras along that pattern

1101
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:13,720
Speaker 1: so you know when that animal is moving during daylight

1102
01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:19,200
Speaker 1: and um, like I said, it's a tough time to hunt,

1103
01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: but if you really understand what's going on, it's your

1104
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: best chance to kill a big mature buck because he's

1105
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:28,840
Speaker 1: doing the exact same thing every day. It just makes

1106
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: it very difficulty to get it done on more than

1107
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,439
Speaker 1: one occasion because, like I said, you you walk into

1108
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,919
Speaker 1: the that buck's bedroom in mid October and you don't

1109
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:41,080
Speaker 1: kill him, the game is it either got tougher or

1110
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: it's over because he's gonna be somewhere else. He's gonna

1111
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 1: know you were in there. And it's just that's why

1112
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: it's so tough for guys, like I said, to not

1113
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: hunt a big gear. Everything's perfect and then once you

1114
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:57,840
Speaker 1: get it perfect, you know how to get into that

1115
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:00,840
Speaker 1: area without disturbin atting animal and you're kill him the

1116
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:03,720
Speaker 1: first time in when he's got the wind and the moonment,

1117
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,160
Speaker 1: the favor getting and get him out. Andrey used to

1118
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 1: say it was he was surgically removing a big buck

1119
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: from the face of the earth. And that's really rich.

1120
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 1: How you got to look at it. You're looking at

1121
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,440
Speaker 1: it like a surgeon. Think about the amount of after

1122
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: the surgeon puts into you know, not only you know,

1123
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,640
Speaker 1: being able to practice medicine, but knowing what he needs

1124
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: to do in that operating room before he goes in there.

1125
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: And it's really it's that black and white. I mean,

1126
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: you got to go in there and surgically remove that animal. Yeah,

1127
01:01:36,080 --> 01:01:38,400
Speaker 1: I love that analogy. That's that's one that I'm gonna

1128
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 1: I do'tna start using. I like it. Um. So, something

1129
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: you mentioned, and it's something that you know, I've always

1130
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: have believed, I think to degrees, during that time of year,

1131
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: typically if you have all these things in your favor,

1132
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:52,479
Speaker 1: is it safe to say that you are usually trying

1133
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,200
Speaker 1: to get closer to a betting area at that time

1134
01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: of year, when you have the right conditions, when you

1135
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,920
Speaker 1: know where the buck is. Most of those hans, those

1136
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 1: kill sets are probably tight in the bedroom because of

1137
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, the fact that these bucks are using

1138
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 1: a really small area. Yeah, I mean, for the most part,

1139
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:12,920
Speaker 1: I think those deer moving around you know in the area.

1140
01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:15,600
Speaker 1: Why hunt in central Ohio, they're not moving very far

1141
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: between their bed and where they're feeding a hundred two

1142
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 1: hundred yards max. So wherever you're at, you're pretty darn

1143
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:26,400
Speaker 1: close to where he's betting. Yeah, can you have my

1144
01:02:26,440 --> 01:02:30,000
Speaker 1: best I've had my best luck on those on those

1145
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: sets in evening hunts. I very very rarely ever try

1146
01:02:34,960 --> 01:02:37,840
Speaker 1: a morning hut early season on those animals. But if

1147
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to, if I've tried it once or twice

1148
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: in the evening and haven't got it done, and I

1149
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: know right where that animal is betting, and then maybe

1150
01:02:47,320 --> 01:02:49,760
Speaker 1: I have a stand already hung in that bedding area,

1151
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,040
Speaker 1: I will not go into that bedding area on an

1152
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 1: early season hunt until I have that red moon time

1153
01:02:56,880 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: one to three hours after daylight. I've witnessed it on

1154
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:05,000
Speaker 1: a handful of occasions, seeing a big, you know, two

1155
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:10,040
Speaker 1: class animal coming back to bed late on those overhead

1156
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:12,080
Speaker 1: times late in the morning. And now those were the

1157
01:03:12,120 --> 01:03:16,919
Speaker 1: only times that animal came back late. So they're staying,

1158
01:03:16,960 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 1: they're feeding a little later because the moon is telling

1159
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 1: them to not go back to bed yet. Yeah, instead

1160
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 1: of you know that that that moontime hitting in the

1161
01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 1: middle of the night and they fed, and they're laying

1162
01:03:31,800 --> 01:03:34,480
Speaker 1: down and starts cracking daylight and they're heading back and

1163
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:38,960
Speaker 1: get into their bed before shooting lights. They're actually feeding

1164
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 1: closer to daylight, and you have a better chance to

1165
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:45,480
Speaker 1: than feeding, you know, in the daylight and coming back

1166
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,000
Speaker 1: just a little bit late. So how how much of

1167
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 1: a buffer are you giving yourself when you go into

1168
01:03:51,080 --> 01:03:53,600
Speaker 1: those tree stands as far as times concerned, are you

1169
01:03:53,640 --> 01:03:59,200
Speaker 1: going in two hours early? One hour early? You're talking

1170
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 1: about more things or eatings or both. Mornings, Well, mornings,

1171
01:04:05,560 --> 01:04:08,240
Speaker 1: I'd like to get in super early because I want

1172
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: everything to have a chance to to calm down. And

1173
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 1: I'm I mean, if I go into trying to dive

1174
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 1: into a betting area in the morning, I'm thinking my time.

1175
01:04:17,160 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to break a twig. I

1176
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 1: don't want to bang my bow up against the stand.

1177
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,840
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't want to do anything. I'm I'm

1178
01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:28,240
Speaker 1: doing everything in slow motion because you just can't make

1179
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:30,720
Speaker 1: any mistakes in the betting area in the morning. So

1180
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 1: I give myself twice as much time as I think

1181
01:04:34,240 --> 01:04:37,600
Speaker 1: I need to get into my spot undetected, you know,

1182
01:04:38,320 --> 01:04:43,000
Speaker 1: literally tiptoeing into a spot and you know, giving myself

1183
01:04:43,040 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: an hour before daylight for everything to maybe calm down

1184
01:04:46,800 --> 01:04:49,520
Speaker 1: a little bit, and just to make sure that that

1185
01:04:49,640 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: animal is nowhere close to the begging area if if

1186
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:55,840
Speaker 1: it's at all possible when I get in there. Yeah,

1187
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,200
Speaker 1: So kind of related to this a topic that I've

1188
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:02,160
Speaker 1: heard we keep on going back to him. But something

1189
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: I've heard Andre talked about a lot, not a lot,

1190
01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,440
Speaker 1: but several times is this idea like the bumping dump.

1191
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 1: I think he calls it, where if you happen to

1192
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:11,920
Speaker 1: bump a buck I was bad, you go back in

1193
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,120
Speaker 1: and set up right over top of that better, right

1194
01:05:14,160 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 1: in the area now that you know where he was better,

1195
01:05:16,120 --> 01:05:17,720
Speaker 1: and try to get a stab at him the next

1196
01:05:17,720 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: morning when he comes back. Is that something you ever tried?

1197
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 1: You know, I've I've I hope that I would run

1198
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:30,360
Speaker 1: into that situation sometime in my hunting career to where

1199
01:05:30,360 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: I could actually put that into place, because I've seen

1200
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: Andrea do it numerous times and that, uh, he's definitely

1201
01:05:37,160 --> 01:05:39,960
Speaker 1: had some success with it. I've I've yet to come

1202
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: across the situation where I could do that, but it

1203
01:05:44,080 --> 01:05:47,120
Speaker 1: definitely works, and I know a lot of guys that

1204
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,520
Speaker 1: have tried it, but they missed the point of being

1205
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 1: in there or the very next morning, because do you

1206
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 1: go in there, and this was always my mindset before

1207
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: I talked to Andre about his You go in there,

1208
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 1: bump that deer out of his bed, you know, then

1209
01:06:03,320 --> 01:06:05,200
Speaker 1: you've got to go back to your truck or go

1210
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:08,440
Speaker 1: back home, get your stand, get whatever you need, go

1211
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: back in later that day or the next day to

1212
01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:14,400
Speaker 1: hang your stuff, clear some shooting lanes, give it a

1213
01:06:14,440 --> 01:06:17,240
Speaker 1: couple of days to cool off, and then go back in. Well,

1214
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: in the meantime, that buck has come back in there,

1215
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:24,480
Speaker 1: smelled that you were there, saw you know, some lanes

1216
01:06:24,600 --> 01:06:27,800
Speaker 1: trimmed or whatever, picked up on your scent, and he's

1217
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,960
Speaker 1: not coming back. You gotta be there waiting for that

1218
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,600
Speaker 1: animal the very next time he comes back. That's the

1219
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 1: most important part of that whole scenario. You gotta have

1220
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:40,560
Speaker 1: your stand on, you stand on your back. Andrea always

1221
01:06:40,640 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: like to move into that bedding cover with the wind

1222
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:45,280
Speaker 1: of his space. So if he did bump a big deer,

1223
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:49,240
Speaker 1: they didn't smell him. You know, he spooked them. They

1224
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: don't know if it was a hunter kyo to cow,

1225
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: what it was. Get everything done, have stand on your back,

1226
01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:02,960
Speaker 1: go ahead, hang the stands, have everything ready, and be

1227
01:07:03,120 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: there the very next morning or two mornings or three

1228
01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,360
Speaker 1: mornings later, however long it takes that duck to come back.

1229
01:07:09,440 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 1: And yeah, man, he puts some big gear on the

1230
01:07:12,480 --> 01:07:14,360
Speaker 1: ground doing that. But I just have not had a

1231
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,800
Speaker 1: chance to put that practice into play yet. Yeah, it's

1232
01:07:17,840 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: a it's a it's an interesting strategy. Um, and it's

1233
01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: one that that I haven't got to put into play yet.

1234
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:26,200
Speaker 1: But a friend of mine two years ago, you know,

1235
01:07:26,280 --> 01:07:28,800
Speaker 1: having heard about this from Andre, I was able to

1236
01:07:28,800 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: pull it off and kill the booner. And um, the

1237
01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:33,200
Speaker 1: first time, he said, after spooking, spooking that buck out

1238
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:35,440
Speaker 1: of there, So that was pretty cool. Um. I think

1239
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:38,560
Speaker 1: something you said there about the you know how that

1240
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:41,640
Speaker 1: very first time the deer comes back to the bed

1241
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,760
Speaker 1: after you set up your stand, that's like your your

1242
01:07:43,800 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: best shot. I think that applies not just in this

1243
01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: bumping dump scenario, but even any time when you're setting

1244
01:07:48,840 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 1: up a stand mobilely during the season. You know, lots

1245
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,640
Speaker 1: of people do say set a stand and then don't

1246
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:56,440
Speaker 1: come back for it for two or three days. Well,

1247
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,360
Speaker 1: I think to your point, hunt it right away because

1248
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: that first him back, you might be able get in

1249
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:03,919
Speaker 1: there on him before they realize that someone's been hanging

1250
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:09,640
Speaker 1: out in their area. Um, that's the key thing, I think, Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1251
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: Andrea had a pretty cool story told me once about

1252
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,920
Speaker 1: a guy had a great spot, had a big hear

1253
01:08:16,000 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: on his property and he just couldn't get it done.

1254
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,439
Speaker 1: And come to find out, you know, that guy had

1255
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,320
Speaker 1: two or three stands that he always hunted the same ones,

1256
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:26,320
Speaker 1: always went in, came out the same way, and just

1257
01:08:26,479 --> 01:08:28,800
Speaker 1: wasn't getting it done. And on this tour, if you

1258
01:08:28,840 --> 01:08:31,960
Speaker 1: do anything this year, don't ever hunt the same tree

1259
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 1: stand twice on a different spot every day. And that

1260
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,800
Speaker 1: guy killed the biggest deer of his life that year.

1261
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:41,720
Speaker 1: And it's because basically every time he hunted, he was

1262
01:08:41,760 --> 01:08:46,880
Speaker 1: on the brand new set. And I don't know whether

1263
01:08:46,920 --> 01:08:51,960
Speaker 1: it's the element of surprise or you know, burning certain

1264
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:55,040
Speaker 1: spots out and the deer picking up and they'll definitely

1265
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: pattern you quicker than you'll pattern them. But there's definitely

1266
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: something to do, you know, the element of surprise and

1267
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 1: hunting and having success the very first time to go

1268
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,920
Speaker 1: into a spot. Like I said, the ball all my

1269
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,360
Speaker 1: biggest deer. I've killed them all except one the very

1270
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 1: first time I went in, and it just nothing beats

1271
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: that first set. Yeah, And it's so tempting to fall

1272
01:09:19,880 --> 01:09:23,760
Speaker 1: into that easy pattern of well, I gotta tree stand there,

1273
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:25,759
Speaker 1: I'll just go there. It's so easy to be tempted

1274
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,680
Speaker 1: to do that sometimes, but it takes that you know

1275
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: that mental fortitude to say, Nope, I'm gonna bring a

1276
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:35,200
Speaker 1: new spot, hang a new stand, because like you said,

1277
01:09:35,320 --> 01:09:37,719
Speaker 1: I mean I just hear over and over and over again,

1278
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 1: and I've seen it to in my own hunting that

1279
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:42,040
Speaker 1: those first that first set or two is just so

1280
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: much better than if you sit somewhere over and over

1281
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 1: they do learn. Yeah, yeah, no doubt. So you've talked

1282
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,599
Speaker 1: about October, the early season, the lull, this whole period

1283
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,439
Speaker 1: of time, and then you mentioned that when it comes

1284
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,719
Speaker 1: to the ruts, sometimes things get thrown out the window.

1285
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 1: Can you just briefly run us through, you know, how

1286
01:10:00,240 --> 01:10:02,559
Speaker 1: you're approaching that time of year, how you're hunting the run,

1287
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:07,479
Speaker 1: how do you find success at that time? Well, like

1288
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 1: I said that, the last few years, I've been having

1289
01:10:09,400 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: a lot of success on the mature animals. Paying attention

1290
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:18,719
Speaker 1: to the moon and hunting more um, late morning midday stuff,

1291
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:22,120
Speaker 1: you know, back in the cover, around the does and

1292
01:10:22,200 --> 01:10:25,719
Speaker 1: around the scrapes, you know, all those peak movement times,

1293
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:30,360
Speaker 1: because even if a buck's not gonna be moving per

1294
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:33,679
Speaker 1: se on those red moon times, that the does are.

1295
01:10:34,360 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: Like I said that those animals really key. The majority

1296
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:41,000
Speaker 1: of the of the animals and the herd really key

1297
01:10:41,080 --> 01:10:44,120
Speaker 1: on the prime morning evenings and then the overhead and

1298
01:10:44,200 --> 01:10:47,280
Speaker 1: underfoot and if the does are moving on that in

1299
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 1: the middle of the day, the bucks are going to

1300
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:53,639
Speaker 1: be following them. So it's really about being in the woods,

1301
01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: being in the right location at the right time according

1302
01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: to the moon. Um. That's know, that's really my That's

1303
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:05,760
Speaker 1: really been my go to for early season, and I

1304
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:09,200
Speaker 1: have kind of, you know, started adapting that to the rut.

1305
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 1: I struggled with the rut for a long time. I mean,

1306
01:11:13,320 --> 01:11:15,559
Speaker 1: I didn't kill I didn't kill a lot of my

1307
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 1: dear other than October for a long time, and I

1308
01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:21,920
Speaker 1: just I don't know if it was I was hunting

1309
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:25,840
Speaker 1: in the wrong spots or what the deal was, but

1310
01:11:25,880 --> 01:11:27,880
Speaker 1: I just never had a lot of success with the

1311
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 1: rut until I started adapting the tactics that I used

1312
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:34,599
Speaker 1: for early season, you know, and it's just just a

1313
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:37,720
Speaker 1: matter of tweaking that a little bit still with the

1314
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:40,759
Speaker 1: good winds and the good movement. But you know, being

1315
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:45,080
Speaker 1: out there um midday on those times when you are

1316
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:47,679
Speaker 1: going to be up and moving, being in the right spot,

1317
01:11:47,880 --> 01:11:51,600
Speaker 1: and I don't think I can really attribute it to

1318
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 1: anything else, you know. My My tactic is is to

1319
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,720
Speaker 1: know the best weeks according to the moon to plan

1320
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: that hunt, and then when I'm out there, to make

1321
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:03,160
Speaker 1: sure that I'm in the tree in the best spot

1322
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 1: that I can find. When you know, peak activity occurs

1323
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:12,679
Speaker 1: according to the the moon. So here's a question. Um,

1324
01:12:12,720 --> 01:12:14,719
Speaker 1: you know, there there's some certain times of the year

1325
01:12:15,200 --> 01:12:18,640
Speaker 1: that traditionally tend to be the best for deer activity.

1326
01:12:18,680 --> 01:12:20,360
Speaker 1: That the first couple of weeks in November is what

1327
01:12:20,439 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 1: I typically think of as being that prime pre rut

1328
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: rud activity where deer are on their feet, assuming you know,

1329
01:12:26,320 --> 01:12:28,960
Speaker 1: there's not some crazy warm front or something. If I

1330
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:30,880
Speaker 1: only have one if i only have one week a

1331
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,800
Speaker 1: year to hunt, if I've got that vacation and I've

1332
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:34,920
Speaker 1: got you know, five days seven days I can take

1333
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:38,680
Speaker 1: off of work, would you say that they should be

1334
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,160
Speaker 1: looking at the moon more or should they be looking

1335
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:43,880
Speaker 1: at the time of year more, because like, for instance,

1336
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: let's say your red moon days happened to be the

1337
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:48,400
Speaker 1: end of October when usually you would wait till the

1338
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: second week in November. Maybe what would you say is

1339
01:12:51,040 --> 01:12:58,120
Speaker 1: the most important thing in your opinion? Uh, it's good questions.

1340
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 1: I mean I've had my best success right before the

1341
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:07,040
Speaker 1: rut and right after it. Not so much peak rut,

1342
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:10,839
Speaker 1: but right before it, that last few days of October,

1343
01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,280
Speaker 1: first part of November, you know, right before those big

1344
01:13:14,280 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 1: deer get locked up with the dough and then right

1345
01:13:17,160 --> 01:13:21,920
Speaker 1: afterwards when they are out trolling looking for you know,

1346
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: those last couple of days coming into heat. Um, if

1347
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,840
Speaker 1: you pay attention to the predictions that the you know,

1348
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:31,120
Speaker 1: deer and deer hunting and those guys make about the

1349
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: rut and every day, and if you know anything about

1350
01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:38,400
Speaker 1: the their theories behind it, where you they say the

1351
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:41,960
Speaker 1: the moon, second full moon after the autumn equinox, what

1352
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:45,160
Speaker 1: triggers the beginning of the rut, and then your peak

1353
01:13:45,200 --> 01:13:48,960
Speaker 1: breeding is going to happen eight and twelve days after that.

1354
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:51,840
Speaker 1: You know that gives you a general idea when that

1355
01:13:52,040 --> 01:13:54,200
Speaker 1: peak breeding is going to occur, and I want to

1356
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,200
Speaker 1: be hunting. Um. I want to be hunting obviously as

1357
01:13:58,240 --> 01:14:01,920
Speaker 1: much as I can, but mainly before that and after that.

1358
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,920
Speaker 1: You know, when a when a buck's locked up with

1359
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:09,040
Speaker 1: the dough, they're they're not moving much. Um, and I

1360
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: just I think I've had my better luck right before

1361
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:14,519
Speaker 1: and right after. So I prefer, you know, late October,

1362
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:17,360
Speaker 1: early November, and then towards that third week in November,

1363
01:14:17,360 --> 01:14:20,479
Speaker 1: when when those bucks are aren't locked up with the

1364
01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: does anymore, and they're they're on the move, troll and

1365
01:14:23,439 --> 01:14:27,400
Speaker 1: looking for another dough, responding to the calls a little

1366
01:14:27,400 --> 01:14:30,640
Speaker 1: bit better. Yeah, That's that's an awesome time to be

1367
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: in the woods, that's for sure. So I I would

1368
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,640
Speaker 1: if I was selfish, Adam, I would say, I want

1369
01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:38,800
Speaker 1: to sit here and talk to you for about two

1370
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 1: or three more hours because there's a lot I still

1371
01:14:41,320 --> 01:14:44,040
Speaker 1: have questions about. And then I'm just I'm loving what

1372
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: we're talking about here, but we are coming up on time. Uh.

1373
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:49,679
Speaker 1: So that said, Dan, do you have any final question

1374
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 1: for Adam before we wrap it up? Yeah, just one

1375
01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 1: really quick one. UM. I know we talked a lot

1376
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: about nature, about the wind, the moon, and all that stuff.

1377
01:14:58,680 --> 01:15:01,040
Speaker 1: But do you have any guilt you pleasures as far

1378
01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 1: as products are concerned, like any scent elimination tactics or

1379
01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: any you know, quote unquote gimmick you products that that

1380
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:15,240
Speaker 1: you just feel comfortable with. Well, I mean I I'd

1381
01:15:15,320 --> 01:15:17,960
Speaker 1: take my products pretty seriously, you know. And I learned

1382
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:22,719
Speaker 1: my lesson with inferior stuff when I when I started

1383
01:15:22,800 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 1: using the Lone Wolf products, and I never realized how

1384
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 1: much of a difference it can make when you use

1385
01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 1: a real quality product, you know, like like a Lone

1386
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:33,320
Speaker 1: Wolf tree stand, because nothing's going to ruin a hunt

1387
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,760
Speaker 1: quicker than a squeaky tree stand. And the night that

1388
01:15:36,800 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 1: I was able to go into an area stand and

1389
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,800
Speaker 1: sticks on my back and hang it in a tree

1390
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:46,360
Speaker 1: quietly enough that a two eight in non physical was

1391
01:15:46,439 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: bet at eight yards await, you never knew I was there.

1392
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 1: I mean that speaks volumes about that product. And um,

1393
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,479
Speaker 1: you know, these days there's a lot of great bows

1394
01:15:55,680 --> 01:15:59,679
Speaker 1: on the market. I don't skimp on my arrows at all.

1395
01:15:59,720 --> 01:16:02,240
Speaker 1: I think that's probably one of the most important products

1396
01:16:02,240 --> 01:16:06,000
Speaker 1: that I have. Um, I've been shooting black eagle arrows

1397
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,840
Speaker 1: the last few years, and I just I'm probably the

1398
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:12,160
Speaker 1: world's worst shot, if you want to believe that or

1399
01:16:12,200 --> 01:16:15,200
Speaker 1: not have to shakiest hands in the world. So my

1400
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:19,120
Speaker 1: equipment's got to be finely tuned and and uh yeah,

1401
01:16:19,160 --> 01:16:21,720
Speaker 1: I don't skimp on arrows. And you know, when it

1402
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 1: comes to sent elimination, you know, I've used a lot

1403
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:27,360
Speaker 1: of different stuff over the years through trial and error,

1404
01:16:28,240 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 1: but I'm religious about you know, cleaning my stuff, keeping

1405
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:35,960
Speaker 1: it all sent free from the washing machine and dryer

1406
01:16:36,160 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 1: all the way to the field. And then you know,

1407
01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:42,000
Speaker 1: when I'm actually in a tree, I think I've I

1408
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:47,120
Speaker 1: think I've come across If there's a bulletproof system out

1409
01:16:47,160 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 1: there for beating a deer's nose, I believe that it's

1410
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:56,439
Speaker 1: a combination of using a nosonics unit to cover up

1411
01:16:56,479 --> 01:16:59,760
Speaker 1: my scent or kill it. However, that oways don't work.

1412
01:17:00,400 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 1: It works. I've only used it the last few years,

1413
01:17:02,920 --> 01:17:05,960
Speaker 1: but I can count how many times I've been winded

1414
01:17:06,000 --> 01:17:08,080
Speaker 1: the last few years. On one hand, I just never

1415
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,920
Speaker 1: would have believe until I tried it. But using that

1416
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:16,360
Speaker 1: in combination with the conquest ever Calm, which is just

1417
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: a it's a deodorant stick type lure that just smells

1418
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:24,760
Speaker 1: like dear. I know Doug Roberts, the owner personally, I've

1419
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,040
Speaker 1: been to his farm. All of his products come from

1420
01:17:28,120 --> 01:17:32,160
Speaker 1: his personal dear herd. It's the real thing. And when

1421
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,840
Speaker 1: I started using that stuff, I can't tell you how

1422
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: many gear would actually come to my set smelling something

1423
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:44,880
Speaker 1: and looking for that scent. I mean, I put that

1424
01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:48,000
Speaker 1: stuff on my boots to cover my cover myself going

1425
01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:51,960
Speaker 1: into my stand. I'll put a little bit on it,

1426
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:55,640
Speaker 1: a little the little bit of it on branches or

1427
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:59,120
Speaker 1: trees in my shooting lanes to stop an animal. And

1428
01:17:59,160 --> 01:18:01,320
Speaker 1: then when I get up in my stand, I'll rub

1429
01:18:01,320 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 1: a little bit on the tree around me, and you

1430
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:05,559
Speaker 1: know that it was an honest you know, it could

1431
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:08,639
Speaker 1: be killing that um at the level that I'm at.

1432
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 1: But I'll take the cap off of one of those

1433
01:18:11,160 --> 01:18:14,160
Speaker 1: deodorous sticks of that ever calm, and I'll scrape it

1434
01:18:14,240 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 1: off and I'll toss it in three or four different

1435
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,760
Speaker 1: directions from where I'm at in my stand, toss it

1436
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:23,839
Speaker 1: onto the ground, and when I get down in the evening,

1437
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: it's like there's a pocket of deer scent around my tree.

1438
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:31,800
Speaker 1: And when I've had so many deer come through, and

1439
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 1: when you know I'm sure you've seen it happen. They

1440
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:36,320
Speaker 1: get into that resident and they smell a little bit

1441
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 1: of something. No matter what you try to do, they

1442
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,040
Speaker 1: usually pick up a little bit of something that might

1443
01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:45,559
Speaker 1: not be enough this and I'm running for the next county,

1444
01:18:45,600 --> 01:18:48,360
Speaker 1: but they normally pick up on something. But with that

1445
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: little sit coming around the base of my tree, it's

1446
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:54,280
Speaker 1: like those deer come in and they just calm right down.

1447
01:18:54,640 --> 01:18:59,680
Speaker 1: They smell deer, they feel safe, and they actually they

1448
01:18:59,720 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 1: do exactly the name of the product. It calms the

1449
01:19:02,080 --> 01:19:05,439
Speaker 1: deer down and it relaxed because they smell deer and

1450
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 1: they actually start looking for the deer that smells coming.

1451
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:13,680
Speaker 1: And usually just that, just that a little bit of

1452
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:17,320
Speaker 1: smell around my tree has been enough to stop those

1453
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:20,000
Speaker 1: the animals enough for me to get a shot at him.

1454
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:22,280
Speaker 1: And I feel most of my hunts myself. I don't

1455
01:19:22,320 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 1: use the cameraman. I can't tell you how crucial it

1456
01:19:26,120 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: is to have an extra second or two when I'm

1457
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:31,320
Speaker 1: trying to run the camera myself and stick and narrow

1458
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,120
Speaker 1: in a deer. I mean, I need all the help

1459
01:19:33,160 --> 01:19:35,960
Speaker 1: that I can get, and that has really helped me tremendously.

1460
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 1: So yeah, when it comes to scent. I just I

1461
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:41,040
Speaker 1: don't know how you could beat the combination of the

1462
01:19:41,040 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: ozonics and the over calm. Yeah. I haven't used the

1463
01:19:44,240 --> 01:19:47,040
Speaker 1: ever calm personally, but but Dan and I Dan and

1464
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:49,439
Speaker 1: both have seen success of the ozonics, that's for sure.

1465
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:51,200
Speaker 1: I think we are right in the same boat with

1466
01:19:51,200 --> 01:19:55,840
Speaker 1: you on that. So that said, um man, Like like

1467
01:19:55,880 --> 01:19:57,560
Speaker 1: I mentioned, I would love to keep talking with you

1468
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 1: about the stuff. So if if you're ever interested, would

1469
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:01,680
Speaker 1: love to have you on again at them. I think

1470
01:20:01,680 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 1: there's a lot more we could cover. But yeah, sure

1471
01:20:05,360 --> 01:20:11,200
Speaker 1: there you're going after number number four this year. Oh man,

1472
01:20:11,280 --> 01:20:14,360
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how long I've been I've been

1473
01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:17,320
Speaker 1: hoping I'd be lucky enough to find another two hundred

1474
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: inch year, and it's been. It's honestly been a struggle

1475
01:20:20,560 --> 01:20:22,719
Speaker 1: the last five or six years. I mean, those deer

1476
01:20:22,800 --> 01:20:26,679
Speaker 1: just don't They're not on every farm, and I can't

1477
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: honestly say that I know of a two hundred inch

1478
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,200
Speaker 1: deer right now in any of the four states that

1479
01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:39,840
Speaker 1: I'm hunting this year. But how rare is a two Yeah,

1480
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 1: I don't know if any anybody's gonna believe what I

1481
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 1: have to say when I've got three of them on

1482
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:49,680
Speaker 1: my wall. Yeah, they're they're a rare animal. I mean

1483
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 1: I killed my first one in ninety nine, so they've

1484
01:20:52,520 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 1: been pretty spread out. You know, I don't have a

1485
01:20:55,960 --> 01:20:59,640
Speaker 1: special golden farm anywhere that's producing two inch deer. I've

1486
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,000
Speaker 1: had out and find him and on him, and it's

1487
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 1: been a while since I've seen one. But I don't know. Man,

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01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:09,080
Speaker 1: I sure like to think I could get a crack

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Speaker 1: at one more. Well, I think I think, uh, three's

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01:21:12,400 --> 01:21:17,720
Speaker 1: enough for you. It's time to share the Well, I'm

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01:21:17,720 --> 01:21:22,200
Speaker 1: not gonna get any sympathy from anybody on that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I do hope that you do get another crack at one,

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01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:27,200
Speaker 1: and when you do, hopefully we can talk about it

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01:21:27,240 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 1: here again. So, Adam, thank you so much for your time.

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01:21:30,080 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: This has been an awesome conversation. And uh, I know

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01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,080
Speaker 1: that I've learned a lot, and I'm sure listeners have too,

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Speaker 1: So thank you for that awesome man. Well, I hope

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01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:41,479
Speaker 1: everybody could pick something out of my pea brain that

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01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,519
Speaker 1: would help him out. We definitely did well big sure

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Speaker 1: anyone anyone who's listening, be sure to check out Team

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01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: two hundred on the Sportsman channel. What time is that

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01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:56,960
Speaker 1: on Adam three thirty on Sunday's Okay? All right, and

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01:21:57,120 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: I think some of your previous episodes are available online. Two?

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01:21:59,800 --> 01:22:03,240
Speaker 1: Is that still right? Yeah, you can see all the

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01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:07,960
Speaker 1: previous episodes on our website dot com cool. I've I've

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01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,000
Speaker 1: watched a number of those and really enjoyed him. So

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01:22:10,400 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 1: we definitely recommend you guys check it out. So Adam,

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01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 1: good luck this season and hopefully we'll hear from you

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01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:19,000
Speaker 1: again soon. Yeah. Thanks, good look to you guys, and

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01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:24,480
Speaker 1: be safe to fall. Thanks a lot me too. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I don't know about you, guys, but I think we

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01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:32,759
Speaker 1: got a absolute boatload of helpful information there from Adam.

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01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,160
Speaker 1: Like I said in the beginning, he's an incredible resource

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01:22:35,200 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 1: and a heck of a hunter, and um, I was

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01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,559
Speaker 1: excited to talk to him. I'm excited after talking to him,

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01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,519
Speaker 1: and now I'm gonna go out and apply some the

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01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:46,200
Speaker 1: stuff in the field, which fortunately won't be too long.

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01:22:46,200 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 1: It's just a matter of weeks until the hunting season open.

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01:22:49,320 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 1: So that said, we are going to wrap this show up.

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01:22:53,200 --> 01:22:56,120
Speaker 1: I do have one exciting announcement though for you, and

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01:22:56,280 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: some of you probably already know about this, but if

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01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: you did, not know. I am launching a brand new

1523
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: podcast through wired Hunt, but different than this Wired Hunt podcast.

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01:23:06,720 --> 01:23:09,599
Speaker 1: That new podcast is called white Tail Q and eight

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01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be a twice a week podcast and

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01:23:12,200 --> 01:23:14,320
Speaker 1: it's gonna be short. So instead of these big hour,

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01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: hour and a half long episodes, these are gonna be

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01:23:16,040 --> 01:23:18,599
Speaker 1: like ten minute episodes or fifteen minute episodes at the most.

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01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:21,080
Speaker 1: And what are we doing is we're actually going to

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01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 1: be listening to a listener submitted question. So a question

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01:23:24,760 --> 01:23:27,160
Speaker 1: that you guys have, someone will actually send in a

1532
01:23:27,280 --> 01:23:30,639
Speaker 1: question recorded through audio. There's a little voicemail app I'm musing,

1533
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:32,519
Speaker 1: so you can send in your question, we listen to it,

1534
01:23:32,600 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 1: and then I'll answer your question on the air. And

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01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:37,680
Speaker 1: that's the whole show. Listen to one person's question and

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01:23:37,720 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 1: I answer that question, or I bring on an expert

1537
01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: guest who answers that question. So we've launched white Tail

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01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: Q and A this week. We've got our first three

1539
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:49,280
Speaker 1: episodes up online right now. Um, so you can go

1540
01:23:49,360 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 1: to wired to hunt dot com slash Whitetail q A

1541
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:55,920
Speaker 1: and you can listen to those first three episodes, and

1542
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,080
Speaker 1: the podcast will be available on iTunes. We're just awaiting

1543
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,720
Speaker 1: approval right now, but be sure to check in on

1544
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:04,160
Speaker 1: iTunes out frequently over the next few days or week

1545
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 1: and search for white Tail Q and A and whenever

1546
01:24:07,280 --> 01:24:09,519
Speaker 1: it does pop up on there, if you could be

1547
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: unbelievably appreciated by myself. If you go in there, leave

1548
01:24:13,400 --> 01:24:15,479
Speaker 1: a rating or review after you listen to the shows

1549
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,240
Speaker 1: and let us know what you think. We we love

1550
01:24:17,280 --> 01:24:19,439
Speaker 1: that feedback. We need that feedback to learn, you know,

1551
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:21,640
Speaker 1: what we can do better, So thanks in advance if

1552
01:24:21,720 --> 01:24:23,800
Speaker 1: you can do that. They also make sure you subscribe.

1553
01:24:24,800 --> 01:24:27,320
Speaker 1: Speaking of that, of course, if you'd like to, we'd

1554
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,759
Speaker 1: love to see a rating review of the Weird Hunt

1555
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:34,040
Speaker 1: podcast on iTunes too, So thank you, thank you, Thank

1556
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 1: you for listening to this show, for checking out white

1557
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:39,439
Speaker 1: Tail Q and A, and for all of your support

1558
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:43,280
Speaker 1: and feedback. It just means the world. So hope you

1559
01:24:43,320 --> 01:24:46,080
Speaker 1: enjoyed the show. I hope you learn something. And of

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01:24:46,120 --> 01:24:51,599
Speaker 1: course until next time, stay Oh I can't say that yet.

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01:24:51,640 --> 01:24:55,360
Speaker 1: We have forgot one thing today. I'm getting out of myself.

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01:24:56,360 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: Rewind the tape. We need to thank our partners are

1563
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,080
Speaker 1: sponsors of the podcast, who do hell out make this

1564
01:25:02,200 --> 01:25:05,080
Speaker 1: thing possible. Even when I say crazy things and I

1565
01:25:05,120 --> 01:25:07,559
Speaker 1: forget what I'm doing, So we do need to think.

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01:25:07,840 --> 01:25:11,760
Speaker 1: Sick of gear, trophy, ridge bear archery, redneck blinds, hunt,

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01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:16,040
Speaker 1: terra maps, Ozonics, Carbon Express, Lacrosse boots in the white

1568
01:25:16,040 --> 01:25:19,840
Speaker 1: Tail Institute of North America. So thank you to all

1569
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:22,120
Speaker 1: of those guys, and sorry I almost forgot you. So

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01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:25,080
Speaker 1: now back to what I was saying to all of

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01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:30,000
Speaker 1: you out there. Until next week, stay wired to Hunt.