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Speaker 1: Heather, Folks, it is Wednesday, March eighteenth, that we got

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Speaker 1: an update already to the story that's making headlines all

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Speaker 1: over the place. Taylor Frankie Paul, the new Bachelorette, has

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Speaker 1: done her first sit down interview, first live interview since

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Speaker 1: all these headlines about a domestic violence investigation came out

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Speaker 1: with that welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ

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Speaker 1: robes this. I think the interview is making headlines for

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Speaker 1: what was not asked and what was not said.

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Speaker 2: Yes, both of those things are true. Instead of being

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Speaker 2: asked a direct question, she was given the opportunity to

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Speaker 2: respond to the headline surrounding her domestic violence investigation, where

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Speaker 2: police have confirmed that yes, both she and her ex

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Speaker 2: are being criminally investigated, and she basically just talked about

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Speaker 2: how hard it is on her.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you've seen a lot of the headlines and it

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Speaker 1: looks like, let's all right, this is where we are.

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Speaker 1: The Bachelorette starts on Sunday. The show has been in

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Speaker 1: the ratings dump for a while. Declines have been happening.

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Speaker 1: Even questions about whether or not this show, the Bachelorette

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Speaker 1: franchise would continue, come in swoop in big announcement Taylor

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Speaker 1: Frankie Paul, a controversial fire brand but also someone popular

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Speaker 1: on another Disney show on Hulu, Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so that's the setup. This is all important now, Robes.

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Speaker 1: Heading into Sunday, this was her first opportunity to address

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Speaker 1: these questions. Do you want to start with this interview?

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Speaker 1: The questions are the answers.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the question, because that's how it began.

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Speaker 1: Let's do that, Robes. All these headlines have been going on.

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Speaker 1: What is question number one? What should question number one?

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Speaker 1: For you? At least I should say have been.

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Speaker 2: My first question would be do you think it's appropriate

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Speaker 2: that you are the bachelorette and that people should tune

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Speaker 2: in and watch you look for love while there are

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Speaker 2: now allegations that you are being investigated for domestic violence?

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Speaker 1: That's the question. Okay, that's better than one I had.

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Speaker 1: That's the question, ro because you're putting you in a

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Speaker 1: position to now justin why does this make sense? Why

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Speaker 1: should we root for you? That's a good question mine

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Speaker 1: just simply what have been is their truth? Can you

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Speaker 1: absolutely tell us that this did not happen and that

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Speaker 1: they know there's not going to be a video later

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Speaker 1: coming out of you hitting on someone.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, and the point being is, look, you and I

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Speaker 2: both know and as journalists for the last three decades,

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Speaker 2: I believe you can ask anybody anything if you ask

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Speaker 2: them a question with respective and I also think you

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Speaker 2: have to follow up when people don't give you an answer.

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Speaker 3: You can't make somebody answer a question. She didn't have to.

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Speaker 2: She can say whatever she wants, but as a journalist,

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Speaker 2: you need to ask the direct question, and when she

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Speaker 2: doesn't give you a response, you have to at least

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Speaker 2: follow up. And I think you can ask her, did

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Speaker 2: you are you being investigated? Why are you being investigated?

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Speaker 2: Did you do anything that could be considered criminal? And

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Speaker 2: she can say I can't say, I can't talk about it,

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Speaker 2: I don't want That's fine, but I still think you

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Speaker 2: need to ask those direct questions.

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Speaker 1: That was not the question that was asked. We will

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Speaker 1: let you know. This was done on Good Morning America.

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Speaker 1: This was a five minute segment live in studio. Now,

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Speaker 1: the person handling the interview was not one of your

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Speaker 3: I think Lara Lara Spencer.

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Speaker 2: We know her well and worked with her for many, many,

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Speaker 2: many years. But yes, I think she is.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: She's had different titles, official titles, including concer of Good

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Speaker 2: Morning America, but she has been the one who typically

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Speaker 1: Okay, so this is everyone right, Everyone who has been

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Speaker 1: following this story probably had the same question for her.

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Speaker 1: But this is how Lara chose to ask it. Quote,

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Speaker 1: what do you want to say about the alleged domestic

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Speaker 1: violence incident with your ex boyfriend? What do you want

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Speaker 1: to share with us about this? Okay, that's fine. Robes

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Speaker 1: you and I long time will you and I take

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Speaker 1: the same issue with this. It's open ended. You are

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Speaker 1: getting the option to say whatever you want right now

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Speaker 1: instead of answering a question I have for you.

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Speaker 2: Correct And so that is a choice, and that is

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Speaker 2: the decision to not make her feel defensive. So I'm

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Speaker 2: I'm still kind of okay with that, even maybe being

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Speaker 3: But then you have to.

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Speaker 2: Have, I believe, as a journalist, follow what questions ready

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Speaker 1: I and I think with only five minutes and that

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Speaker 1: We got to get right to the first question. Hi,

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Speaker 1: thank you for being here. Let's get this out of

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Speaker 3: Boom, did you do this?

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Speaker 1: It's kind of curiod and not being mean or attacking

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Speaker 1: is there anyone at this point in this country almost

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Speaker 1: more desired to be interviewed that anybody wants to interview

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Speaker 1: than her? And a lot of headlines, this was the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: You and I see this question a little differently, or

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Speaker 1: at least the motivations. I thought this has the writing

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Speaker 1: Gma and Lara's ear saying we cannot go hard on her.

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Speaker 3: Look she teed her up.

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Speaker 2: Lara teed up Taylor Frankie Paul to give her prepared statement,

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Speaker 2: that is what happened. That was not a journalism moment,

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Speaker 2: that was a prepared say this, and then Taylor can say.

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Speaker 1: That it was a company moment.

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Speaker 2: That is what happened, and that is unfortunate because I

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Speaker 2: that this I'm sure was heavily lawyered. I bet you

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Speaker 2: the questions that Lara had, they said, stick exactly to this,

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Speaker 2: and it wasn't even really a question. She didn't what

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Speaker 2: do you want to share with us about this? That Again,

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Speaker 2: she looked.

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Speaker 1: Down, Rose, We've been in a plenty. That blue card

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Speaker 1: producer has the person's name, your interviewe's name, their title,

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Speaker 1: and they're one, two, three, four questions written out that

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Speaker 1: you're supposed to ask. Obviously, we never use these. You

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Speaker 1: could take your own liberties. She was looking down, head

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Speaker 3: She absolutely did, you are correct.

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Speaker 2: And the problem I look, call me I don't know

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Speaker 2: a purest, but I really actually think that did no

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Speaker 2: one any good. It didn't clear anything up. It made

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Speaker 2: Taylor Frankie Paul look evasive, it made GMA look complicit,

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Speaker 2: and it didn't make anyone look good. I think the

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Speaker 2: best thing to have done, and the right thing to

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Speaker 2: have done, would to have been to ask the tough questions,

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Speaker 2: let Taylor Frankie Paul answer them. However she wants, she

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Speaker 2: can be evasive. But as a news organization, and certainly

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Speaker 2: because your parent company is the one who is putting

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Speaker 2: this show out, don't you even have more of a

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Speaker 2: responsibility to at least try to look like your being transparent.

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Speaker 1: That's where I'll take issue. Maybe there's so much money

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Speaker 1: on the line with this franchise and with this particular

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Speaker 1: season they have promoted, they have pushed, they have put

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Speaker 1: her everywhere they can. They are trying to salvage the

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Speaker 1: Bachelorette Season twenty two? Is it that swritheart? This is

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Speaker 1: what that question to me. I was a little shocked that, Wow,

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Speaker 1: they are doubling and tripling down. This is how it

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Speaker 1: felt or sounded like to me that Disney and ABC

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Speaker 1: to stand behind, even quietly if we have to a

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Speaker 1: woman who is right now being investigated for domestic.

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Speaker 2: Violence and has already admitted guilt to doing it three

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Speaker 2: years prior.

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Speaker 1: Even money.

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Speaker 3: Baby, that's shockming, It is shocking.

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Speaker 2: And look, I when we when as journalists, when you

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Speaker 2: I have been and I know you have to in

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Speaker 2: booking meetings with folks who are dealing with controversy, and

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Speaker 2: what you what I have said to those folks, and

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Speaker 2: what producers and other folks have said, let us ask

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Speaker 2: you the tough questions. It'll be better for you in

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Speaker 2: the end to know and at least have the viewing

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Speaker 2: audience understand that you sat there and answered tough, real

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Speaker 2: just think the viewing public is smarter than a lot

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Speaker 2: for Sunday.

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Speaker 1: She's innocent until proven guilty. Is that what we're doing? Course, Okay,

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Speaker 1: she's proven guilty. I don't know Robes this, I said,

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Speaker 3: She didn't deny.

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Speaker 1: It, Robes. She had every opportunity. You know what, share

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Speaker 1: what you want. You also could say this is insane,

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Speaker 1: She had an opportunity robes. See, folks, you see what

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Speaker 2: You know, people go through media training, and clearly she

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Speaker 2: of her responses about it being heavy. This is a

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Speaker 2: heavy time. The headlines are heavy. Look, I wish that

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Speaker 2: and I want to work this out in where it belongs,

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Speaker 2: in court or at least through proper proceedings. But this

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Speaker 2: just at least give some acknowledgement that she just completely

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Speaker 3: The show What That?

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Speaker 2: And she said that right after she said I'm known

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Speaker 2: for telling my truth, and she kept saying I'm not

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Speaker 2: gonna lie, I'm not gonna lie. Honestly, she it was

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Speaker 2: interesting all the time she used these phrases that to

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Speaker 2: me pointed to the fact that she wasn't being fully honest.

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Speaker 1: However, this is working, apparently because overwhelmingly all the headlines today,

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Speaker 1: right yesterday, the day before was about domestic violence investigation.

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Speaker 1: It was all about the X. Today it's heavy. She's

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Speaker 1: hurting Taylor. Frankie Paul says, she's in pain and.

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Speaker 3: She feels like it's the end of the world.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they are very sympathetic headlines. I am still floored.

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Speaker 1: I would love to hear the answer from someone. It

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Speaker 1: hasn't made sense to me yet the type of crime

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Speaker 1: we're talking about, baby that I don't know why this

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Speaker 1: is a being it's nothing. I guess it's because it's

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Speaker 1: If a woman is accused of hitting a man, I

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Speaker 1: guess because Robes, this is nothing to talk about. If

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Speaker 1: this was a man allegedly hit a woman. Few days

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Speaker 1: before the release of.

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Speaker 2: The Bachelor, where she's looking to be in a room relationship,

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Speaker 2: that Disney, ABC and Hulu are providing a pool of

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Speaker 2: Time, Taylor, Frankie Paul, Taylor, Frankie Paul said this, Honestly,

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Speaker 2: It's like I can't say the secret lives of Mormon wives,

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Speaker 2: Look, good people have bad moments, so it's not as

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Speaker 1: Know what you put it. That was a cool way

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Speaker 1: We need to know what we're investing in, and we

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Speaker 3: Anyway, one of the above.

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Speaker 1: Yes, all right, folks, we'll see on Sunday, Hobesiam.

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Speaker 1: It's Sunday.

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Speaker 3: It's Sunday.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, stip basketball marsh madness.

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Speaker 3: Cool, we got more than one tea.

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Speaker 1: Oh this works out perfectly actually, all right, folks, we

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Speaker 1: always appreciate you spending some time with us on TJ.

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Speaker 1: Holmes on behalf of my dear Emmy Robock over here.

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Speaker 1: We will talk to y'all soon