1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Audio Studios, podcasts, radio news. Fans of the popular 2 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: morning radio show The Breakfast Club know that co host 3 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 1: Leonard McKelvie, better known as Charlemaine the God Like sand 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:22,439 Speaker 1: dip his toes into various sectors, whether that's writing a 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: New York Times bestseller or serving as ambassador for the 6 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: Food Bank for New York City. Well, now he has 7 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,760 Speaker 1: expanded to artificial intelligence by investing in AI company meet Kai, 8 00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,879 Speaker 1: where he will also be a strategic advisor to help 9 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,639 Speaker 1: the company drive growth and engagement for content creation. I'm 10 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: pleased to say here in studio for more on this 11 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: is TV and radio personality Charlaine the God and Peter 12 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: John Alexander, chief business officer of meet Kai. 13 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 2: Welcome, gentlemen, thank you for having us us. 14 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 1: I got to start with you, Charlemaine, because me Kai 15 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 1: bills itself as an immersive AI company. What have you 16 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,440 Speaker 1: seen from your perch in traditional media in radio that 17 00:00:58,520 --> 00:01:01,800 Speaker 1: gets you excited about offering your content on meat Kai's 18 00:01:01,880 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: virtual world. 19 00:01:02,880 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 3: Well, for me, I felt like, you know, it was 20 00:01:04,680 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 3: the next level of what the the interview experience will 21 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 3: be like, you know, like right now somebody's watching this 22 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 3: on television, But imagine if you could actually be in 23 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: the room, you know, as a part of a VR 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:20,680 Speaker 3: experience as where you know, having this conversation or even 25 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:22,920 Speaker 3: you know, with Breakfast Club, we've been around for almost 26 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 3: fifteen years. So when you think about the catalog of 27 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 3: back interviews that people like, whether it's the Soldier Boy, 28 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 3: a Birdman, or whatever it is, any of those conversations, 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: you can put yourself in the room of those conversations 30 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 3: and I just feel like, you know, that's that's where 31 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,319 Speaker 3: social media is going to have that virtual reality experience 32 00:01:39,319 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 3: of actually being next to the person that you're watching 33 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: instead of just watching them. 34 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: Right, It's a whole new way of experiencing it. So, 35 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: Peter John, if this is the metaverse, and that's kind 36 00:01:48,280 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: of what charl Maynett was describing, how is it similar 37 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 1: to or different than what Mark Zuckerberg has been building 38 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: out and frankly not making a lot of money on. 39 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 2: I think meta And you know what Mark has been 40 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 2: focusing on the hardware aspect, which is extremely difficult, and 41 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:04,280 Speaker 2: what they've been able to accomplish since they've started is 42 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 2: truly groundbreaking. With Oculus, Apple obviously stepped into the ring 43 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 2: as well, and to Charlotte's point, we've been really focusing 44 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 2: on software and how that changes. When we met about 45 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: a year ago, we talked about what the future of 46 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,840 Speaker 2: social entertainment is and we believe this is one aspect 47 00:02:19,160 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 2: and using our immersive platform as well as our intelligence platform, 48 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,359 Speaker 2: the convergence of AI and these immersive experiences is what 49 00:02:25,400 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 2: that future will be. 50 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 4: I mean, I like what Charlie Mooreen was talking about 51 00:02:28,320 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: with regards to maybe being kind of like the fly 52 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,720 Speaker 4: on the wall as he's doing these interviews and stuff here, 53 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 4: But explain to me as a user how I would access. 54 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 4: Am I gonna need like a VR type of device 55 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 4: or is this something that can maybe be done just 56 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 4: on a regular phone or a regular computer screen. 57 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: So great question. What's great about our platform and what 58 00:02:46,320 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 2: we've really focused on is mass user adoption, So being 59 00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 2: able to be browser in the browser, being device agnostics, 60 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:53,840 Speaker 2: so being on your phone, being on your computer, being 61 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 2: on your tablet, being in a VR headset, working anywhere 62 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,640 Speaker 2: is what matters. So if you can bring the best 63 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: in class experience with unbelieve visual fidelity and anywhere, it's 64 00:03:03,040 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 2: going to get the most people there to experience what 65 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 2: we're trying to build. 66 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,640 Speaker 4: So charlet Manel is something like this though, I mean, 67 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,400 Speaker 4: let's just use your show as an example. Is this 68 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 4: like the kind of thing where like I would even 69 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 4: be able as a user maybe even ask a question 70 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 4: or somehow interact with either you or your guests while 71 00:03:16,360 --> 00:03:17,919 Speaker 4: you're doing the interview or is that not how it's 72 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 4: going to work? 73 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:18,880 Speaker 1: Yeah? 74 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,360 Speaker 3: Absolutely, because it's like you know, when you see the 75 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 3: live streams that people have now, like BREAKFASCE, Club Goals 76 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 3: Live now, like we'll go live on YouTube or Instagram 77 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:29,040 Speaker 3: live and you're able to ask those same type of 78 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: questions there. So it's the same thing. 79 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 1: Okay, so this is your first foray into AI. I'm 80 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:36,760 Speaker 1: wondering what kind of audiences you think being accessible on 81 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: meet Kai will allow you to spread your brand or 82 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 1: allow your brand to reach out to that you don't 83 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: already through your syndicated radio show. 84 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: Well, I think nowadays, you know, remember back in the day, 85 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 3: they would say if you build it, you know they 86 00:03:48,520 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: will come. Nowadays, you have to meet people where they are, 87 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 3: So everybody's going to be in these spaces anyway, so 88 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 3: we might as well meet them where they are not and. 89 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: Of course, part of the value proposition of someone like 90 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: Charlottage involved in meek Kai is the kinds of creators 91 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: and influencers that he can bring to your platform. Can 92 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: you give me a better idea of what you're looking 93 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:07,720 Speaker 1: for from that end? 94 00:04:07,960 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, not only that and relationships, and we've talked a 95 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 2: lot about that, but the wealth of knowledge that he 96 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 2: has for being in this industry for decades and his 97 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 2: approach to what we're building is going to be instrumental 98 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,680 Speaker 2: as it relates to our success. So we've talked a 99 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,359 Speaker 2: lot about, you know, the people that he's interested in 100 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: bringing to the platform, and I can let him speak 101 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: to that, but we've worked with some really big names 102 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 2: right from the NBPA to BYD. There's new worlds coming 103 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 2: online that are focused solely on the consumer end, from 104 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 2: the Detroit Pistons to the Pro Football Hall of Fame 105 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 2: to Florida State, mixing AI and immersive for the future 106 00:04:39,839 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 2: of education. And then we also have as I talked 107 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:45,920 Speaker 2: about that convergence is pure play AI that will power 108 00:04:45,960 --> 00:04:49,479 Speaker 2: these in immersive opportunities that Charlie was saying, being able 109 00:04:49,480 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: to talk to someone regardless of they're human or not. 110 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 2: One of those platforms. That's really exciting. That's built off 111 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,919 Speaker 2: of our ai is Ascari which goes live today, so 112 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,599 Speaker 2: built on functionary and our family Donald's here at me. 113 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:03,040 Speaker 4: Kay, So what are you looking to bring Charlotte Man 114 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:05,559 Speaker 4: like when you talk about the types of additional guests 115 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 4: and just really the type of people that are going 116 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 4: to be platformed on. 117 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: This everything you know from from from podcasts to you know, 118 00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:15,559 Speaker 3: comedy shows. You know, the live podcast aspect is something 119 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,960 Speaker 3: that really intrigues me because you know, we all tune 120 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:20,359 Speaker 3: into our favorite podcast every week. And I have a 121 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,839 Speaker 3: podcast network called The Black Effect Podcast Network. But imagine 122 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:25,679 Speaker 3: if instead of just you know, watching it on YouTube, 123 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 3: you can be a partner, like you said, a fly 124 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: on the wall of the actual show every week. 125 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm all in on all this pot Did 126 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 4: you see the call your daddy girl got like, oh 127 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,679 Speaker 4: my god, are you ready to read a ship your contract? 128 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: Also to another good experiences is the audiobooks, right, because 129 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 3: you know we all like to listen to audiobooks nowadays. 130 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 3: But imagine if you could just sit there and like, 131 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 3: you know, sit at the feet of your favorite author 132 00:05:49,160 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 3: they're actually performing their audiobook in front of you. I 133 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 3: just think that makes the whole experience, you know, of 134 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:55,039 Speaker 3: listening to the audiobooks better. 135 00:05:55,200 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 4: I am curious how you and Peter John hooked up. 136 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 4: Did you approach him because of the product or did 137 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 4: he reach out to you because of your experience in 138 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 4: media and all the business ventures that you had. 139 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 3: Man some things that just god Like, I was in 140 00:06:06,520 --> 00:06:08,919 Speaker 3: we was in cans Can last year and I was 141 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: just sitting around at an. 142 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 4: iHeart party and you know, as one does. 143 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, and him and James approached me, and you know, 144 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: they told me about the AI thing, and I was 145 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: just having a conversation about these visions that I've been 146 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 3: having about what I'm talking about now, and they were like, 147 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: we're already doing that. So it was just kind of 148 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 3: a natural collaboration. 149 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: How much AI do you dobble in right now? Not much? 150 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 3: Chad GPT is about as far as I've been going. 151 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 3: And now meek Yeah. 152 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: And in terms of timeline, here John, what are we 153 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:43,720 Speaker 1: looking at before we start to see Charmaine on meek 154 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: Kai's various platforms? 155 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 2: So I think very soon. What's special about our platform 156 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:49,520 Speaker 2: and what we've been able to build is how fast 157 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: we come to market we're Traditionally, I think people approach 158 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:54,320 Speaker 2: building these experiences as video games, and I don't think 159 00:06:54,320 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 2: that's the right way to do it. We focus on, 160 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: you know, using AI at every turn to make these 161 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 2: experiences fast and better in every way, and that allows 162 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:05,040 Speaker 2: us to kind of have development times that are days 163 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 2: and weeks is supposed to months and years. So yeah, 164 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 2: I think we've been talking about the vision of what's 165 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 2: to come, and I think you'll see some exciting things 166 00:07:11,400 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 2: very soon. 167 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 4: This one final quick question, Charlottete, like when we talk 168 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 4: about like sort of the future of these shows here, 169 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 4: so do you see in a vision where maybe these 170 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: shows won't be just on radio or even on radio 171 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 4: at all or even on TV, that maybe they will 172 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 4: end up on sort of a meet Kai type of 173 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 4: platform just like that. 174 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 3: They're that way now, Like none of these shows exist 175 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 3: in one space anymore. Like I said, you know, you 176 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:34,440 Speaker 3: build it. People aren't just going to come to you. 177 00:07:34,440 --> 00:07:36,000 Speaker 3: You have to meet people where they are, so you 178 00:07:36,040 --> 00:07:38,520 Speaker 3: for example, Breakfast Club, we're on the radio, but we 179 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: also come out in the daily podcast every day, and 180 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 3: we also put out clips on social media and we're 181 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 3: on YouTube. So that's why we have the audience we have. 182 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 3: You're talking about, you know, eight million monthly listeners on 183 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 3: terrestrial radio, but then fifteen to twenty million downloads a 184 00:07:52,360 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 3: month on the podcast, then the YouTube, then the social media. 185 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 3: So you have to exist in all of these spaces 186 00:07:57,400 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 3: out there. You can't take one piece of content and 187 00:07:59,600 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 3: serve it twenty different places. 188 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:02,320 Speaker 4: All right, and you got a lot of content. Have 189 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:03,560 Speaker 4: you talked to Birdman lately? 190 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:04,040 Speaker 3: No? 191 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 1: No, no, all right, let meave it there. 192 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 4: Charlemagne the God and Peter John Alexander. Charlemagne investing here 193 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 4: in me Kai a new a virtual world platform, if 194 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 4: you will. That maybe is the future of media, Scarlett. 195 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:19,080 Speaker 4: Maybe we should look into this. 196 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: I think our kids will look into this.