1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome in his verdict with Ted Cruz the Weekend Review, 2 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:07,280 Speaker 1: Ben Ferguson with you as always, and my, oh my, 3 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:08,959 Speaker 1: do we have a lot of big stories that happened 4 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: this week, especially before Donald Trump is inaugurated on Monday. 5 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:18,240 Speaker 1: First up, Bernie Sanders and the President Joe Biden going 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 1: out with a bang, saying to any rich person in America, 7 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:25,640 Speaker 1: you better be careful before you work with Trump, because 8 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:28,280 Speaker 1: when we get back our power, we're coming after you. 9 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 1: They even use the word ola garks. Yes, we'll explain 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 1: that for you in just a moment. Also, shocking news 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:39,600 Speaker 1: coming out about rape gangs in the UK and how 12 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 1: this is a very concerning issue, especially for what's happened 13 00:00:44,080 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: in the United States of America with so many kids 14 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: being lost that have come across the southern border. So 15 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: what will the administration do about that. We'll explain that 16 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: for you as well. And finally, Donald Trump went to 17 00:00:55,880 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 1: Capitol Hill to meet with leaders on the Hill. How 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 1: to sit down with the Senate Republican So what was 19 00:01:02,520 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: said behind closed doors and what does it mean for 20 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: the Trump agenda. 21 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: It's the Weekend Review and it starts right now. 22 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: It is also goes back to this other narrative when 23 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: we heard it from the President of the United States 24 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: of America the other night. He was obsessed with this 25 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:20,160 Speaker 1: idea of oligarchs. I actually think this was a little 26 00:01:20,200 --> 00:01:24,760 Speaker 1: bit different. And Bernie Sanders started naming names when he 27 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: was doing the confirmation hearing for the man who's up 28 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: for Treasury Secretary, and I want to get your take, 29 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 1: and we're going to play Bernie. But one of the 30 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: things I felt was really kind of icky about this 31 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: was the fact that it's like, hey, we're warning some 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,240 Speaker 1: of you that have stepped out of line from the 33 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:49,120 Speaker 1: Democratic Party that we're coming after you when we get 34 00:01:49,120 --> 00:01:52,600 Speaker 1: our power back if you step out too far into 35 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:56,840 Speaker 1: the conservative side of things. And that's why we're warning 36 00:01:56,880 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: you that if we name you as an oligar, then 37 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: if we get our when we get our power back, 38 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: there's going to be some sort of hell to pay. 39 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,360 Speaker 1: And you better be careful how much you work with 40 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,000 Speaker 1: Donald Trump and you support freedom of speech, and you 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: support freedom of expression online and the able the ability 42 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:18,120 Speaker 1: to post things, and that's what it was boiling down to, 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,520 Speaker 1: and it was I think even more weird. It was 44 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: in a back and forth with the guy for Treasury secretary. 45 00:02:24,480 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: It's like, wait, are you trying to weaponize Treasury to say, hey, 46 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:30,279 Speaker 1: your job is to now make sure there's no billionaires 47 00:02:30,280 --> 00:02:30,920 Speaker 1: in America. 48 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 3: Well, look, it's it's worth giving a listen. So listen 49 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 3: to this back and forth. And in terms of the 50 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: demagogic language of the Democrat Party, this is a great example, 51 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:43,040 Speaker 3: give a listen. 52 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 4: When you have a small number of multi billionaires who 53 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 4: have enormous economic, media and political power. Would you agree 54 00:02:56,520 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 4: with President Biden who last night stated, and I quote 55 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 4: and Oligauki is taking shape in America of extreme wealth, 56 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 4: power and influence that threatens our entire democracy, our basic 57 00:03:10,400 --> 00:03:13,519 Speaker 4: rights and freedom. Send of coot. That's what President Biden 58 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 4: said last night. I agree with him, do you. 59 00:03:17,400 --> 00:03:19,959 Speaker 5: I enjoyed our visit and I hope you got my 60 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 5: follow up materials that we on the discussions, my predicious 61 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:33,200 Speaker 5: thinkings on the terrorists and China and the three billionaires 62 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:40,000 Speaker 5: who you listed that all made the money themselves. Mister 63 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 5: Musk came to the country as an immigrant. 64 00:03:42,680 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: I understand that. But what I'm asking you is when 65 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: you have a handful of people like Musk who will 66 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 4: soon be part of the Trump administration and others. When 67 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 4: you have three people owing more wealth than the bottom 68 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 4: half of American society, when these people have enormous influence 69 00:04:01,320 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 4: over the media, when they spend huge amounts of money 70 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:08,560 Speaker 4: in both political parties to elect candidates. What Biden said 71 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 4: last night is we're moving toward an oligarchy. I'm asking 72 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 4: you that question. Do you think, forget how they made 73 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,360 Speaker 4: their money, do you think that when so few people 74 00:04:17,680 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 4: have so much wealth and so much economic and political power, 75 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: that that is an oligoxic form of society? 76 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 5: Well, I wouldn't note that they. President Biden gave the 77 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 5: Presidential Metal of Freedom to two people who I think 78 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 5: would qualify for his oligarchs. 79 00:04:34,160 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 4: So this is not a condemnation of any one individual. 80 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 4: I'm just asking you when so few people have so 81 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 4: much wealth and power, But do you think that that 82 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 4: is an oligarchic form of society? 83 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:54,799 Speaker 5: Senator? I think it depends on the ability to move 84 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 5: up and down the end. 85 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 4: No, that's not really d answer. I mean, even if 86 00:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,279 Speaker 4: you had that mobility, no matter who those individuals might be. 87 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,440 Speaker 4: All right, but let me ask you another question. 88 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: I love there how he's like, all right, I'm gonna 89 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: move on because this isn't landing, and just threw it 90 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:09,840 Speaker 1: back in my face that we just gave medals of 91 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: the highest level of metal you can give to a civilian, 92 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: to two of the people that would be categorized oligarks. 93 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: One of them, by the way, is a hard core 94 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:23,080 Speaker 1: radical by the name of George Soros. 95 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 3: George Soros just got the Medal of Freedom from Joe Biden. 96 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,799 Speaker 3: He celebrated. He also gave it to Hillary Clinton, and 97 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 3: and by the way, before that, Barack Obama gave the 98 00:05:33,880 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 3: Medal of Freedom to Bill Gates. And listen, the position 99 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 3: of Bernie Sanders is we hate billionaires. Unless you're billionaires 100 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,160 Speaker 3: who support socialists and the Democrat Party, then you're okay. 101 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:49,360 Speaker 3: But to be clear, you're only okay if you're buying absolution. 102 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 3: The instant you stop buying absolution, we will demonize you 103 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,679 Speaker 3: and we will burn you an effigy in the streets. 104 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 3: And I gotta say, I like Scott Besson's point. He's like, wait, 105 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,920 Speaker 3: you're attack these people. None of these three people you're 106 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,400 Speaker 3: attacking none of them inherited wealth. 107 00:06:06,000 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 4: You know. 108 00:06:06,240 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 3: Elon Musk came as an immigrant from Africa, like he 109 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 3: built amazing companies and and to a socialist, they don't 110 00:06:14,520 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 3: care what you did to build wealth. They're going to 111 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,479 Speaker 3: demonize you. They're going to attack you. And it's an 112 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:24,359 Speaker 3: example of and and by the way, it's it's why 113 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: you get so many incredibly rich, so many billionaires who 114 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 3: backed the Democrat Party because they're basically paying for protection 115 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:38,480 Speaker 3: from Roba spear from from from the guillotine in the 116 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 3: French Revolution. And and I got to say that that 117 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 3: is where the Democrat Party is. But I'll give Scott 118 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 3: Besson a shout out. He responded with fantastic answers, which 119 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 3: is why Bernie ran ran to the hills and ran 120 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:56,719 Speaker 3: away because he realized it wasn't going the way he wanted. 121 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 3: Scott Besson's going to get confirmed. Every Trump cabinet member 122 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 3: members going to get confirmed. 123 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: Now, if you want to hear the rest of this conversation, 124 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 1: you can go back and listen to the full podcast 125 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,640 Speaker 1: from earlier this week. Now onto story number two. I 126 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: want to move to another story you mentioned earlier. And 127 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: this is a story that on face value, it's something 128 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: that's in the UK, and there's somebody that say, well, 129 00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: like this is the UK, why does this matter? To me, 130 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: and I want to connect it to what has happened 131 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: in this country because of our open borders and the 132 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: number of miners that we have released in this country 133 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: to non family members through the Biden Harris program, and 134 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,640 Speaker 1: when we go back to check on them, they are 135 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 1: nowhere to be found. There are tens of thousands of children. 136 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,240 Speaker 3: Over three hundred thousand, ten thounds, over three hundred thousands 137 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:58,760 Speaker 3: that's in the United States that the Biden administration has lost, 138 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:01,240 Speaker 3: that they do not know where they are, that they 139 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 3: came as unaccompanied miners and they were handed over to adults, 140 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: and they have no idea where they are, and many 141 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 3: of them are, no doubt being abused. And the corrupt 142 00:08:11,400 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 3: corporate media could not care less. The Democrats could not 143 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 3: care less. I don't know a Democrat senator who's ever 144 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 3: asked about the three hundred thousand children that this administration lost. 145 00:08:21,480 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: They don't care about it. But look, I want to say, 146 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,119 Speaker 3: what's happened in the UK and is happening right now 147 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: is horrifying and it's a real warning sign here. I 148 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 3: want to start by reading from an article in the 149 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,719 Speaker 3: Free Press because it sums it up really effectively. It's 150 00:08:38,920 --> 00:08:45,080 Speaker 3: entitled the biggest peacetime crime and cover up in British history. 151 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 3: The grooming and serial rape of thousands of English girls 152 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 3: by men of mostly Pakistani Muslim background over several decades 153 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 3: is the biggest peacetime crime in the history of modern Europe. 154 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: It went on for many years, it is still going on, 155 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,679 Speaker 3: and there has been no justice for the vast majority 156 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:11,440 Speaker 3: of the victims. British governments, both conservative and labor, hoped 157 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 3: that they had buried the story after a few symbolic 158 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:18,439 Speaker 3: prosecutions in the twenty tens, and it looked like they 159 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:22,199 Speaker 3: had succeeded until Elon Musk read some of the court 160 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 3: papers and tweeted his disgust and bafflement on x over 161 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 3: the new year. Britain now stands shamed before the world. 162 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 3: The public's suppressed wrath is bubbling to the surface in petitions, 163 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 3: calls for a public inquiry and demands for accountability. The 164 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 3: scandal is already reshaping British politics. It's not just about 165 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,840 Speaker 3: the heinous nature of the crimes. It's that every level 166 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 3: of the British system is implicated in the cover up. 167 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:59,960 Speaker 3: Social workers were intimidated into silence, local police ignored excus 168 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,240 Speaker 3: used and even embedded pedophile rapists across dozens of cities. 169 00:10:06,120 --> 00:10:10,080 Speaker 3: Senior police and Home Office officials deliberately avoided action in 170 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 3: the name of maintaining what they called quote community relations. 171 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:20,400 Speaker 3: Local councilors and members of Parliament rejected pleas for help 172 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 3: from the parents of raped children. Charities, NGOs and labor 173 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:31,599 Speaker 3: MPs accused those who discussed the scandal of racism and islamophobia. 174 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:36,280 Speaker 3: The media mostly ignored or downplayed the biggest story of 175 00:10:36,320 --> 00:10:41,720 Speaker 3: their lifetimes. Zealous in their incuriosity, much of Britain's media 176 00:10:41,720 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 3: elite remained barnacled to the bubble of Westminster politics and 177 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:51,240 Speaker 3: its self serving priorities. They did this to defend the 178 00:10:51,240 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 3: failed model of multiculturalism and to avoid asking hard questions 179 00:10:56,520 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 3: about failures of immigration policy and assimilar They did this 180 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 3: because they were afraid of being called racist or islamophobic. 181 00:11:06,679 --> 00:11:11,439 Speaker 3: They did this because Britain's traditional class snobbery had fused 182 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 3: with the new snobbery of political correctness. All of which 183 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:21,800 Speaker 3: is why no one knows precisely how many thousands of 184 00:11:22,160 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: young girls were raped in how many towns across Britain 185 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 3: since the nineteen seventies. What we do know is that 186 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 3: the epicenter was in the post industrial mill towns of 187 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 3: England's North and Midlands, where immigrants from Pakistan and Bangladesh 188 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 3: settled in the nineteen sixties. White locals say the grooming 189 00:11:41,880 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 3: and rapes began soon after. In Rotherdam, the run down 190 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: Yorkshire city where the scandal first broke. Local police and 191 00:11:51,120 --> 00:11:56,040 Speaker 3: councilors were notified about systematic grooming and sex abuse by 192 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: two thousand and one. The first convictions did not occur 193 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 3: until twenty ten, when five men in Pakistani background were 194 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 3: jailed for multiple offenses against girls as young as twelve 195 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 3: years old. The breadth of what occurred is staggering and 196 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: the systematic willingness to look aside is truly horrific. 197 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: And let's be clear. 198 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,880 Speaker 1: The reason why they look the other way you mentioned 199 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: it is really from a pr standpoint. They wanted to 200 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:32,200 Speaker 1: have quote, good relations and not have a stigma related 201 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:34,560 Speaker 1: to people that were coming from the Middle East that 202 00:12:34,600 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: were there, so they said, all right, we'll just look 203 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: the other way and that'll make it easier. 204 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:42,119 Speaker 3: It's actually less Middle East than real, primarily Pakistan Pakistan, 205 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:48,880 Speaker 3: and it's Pakistani Muslims and what we've seen. So we 206 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 3: have seen since the nineteen seventies the grooming and serial 207 00:12:53,000 --> 00:13:00,079 Speaker 3: rape of thousands of children. And the issue is in 208 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:06,560 Speaker 3: particular relevant because Keir Starmer, the Prime Minister, was England's 209 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:10,880 Speaker 3: Director of Public Prosecutions between twenty eight and twenty thirteen, 210 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: and so he was actively involved in looking the other way. 211 00:13:17,520 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 3: And all right, so let's break down a little bit 212 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:24,840 Speaker 3: of the facts of what happened, because the story sounds 213 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:30,599 Speaker 3: so extreme as to not be be credible. But the 214 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 3: child sex rapes weren't just individual instances done by rogue individuals. Rather, 215 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:41,880 Speaker 3: in nearly all the cases, there were groups of mostly 216 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 3: Pakistani men that cooperated and conspired to groom and sexually 217 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:55,600 Speaker 3: abuse girls over decades, and they targeted mostly vulnerable girls, 218 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 3: poor orphans, children in care homes. They raped the girls, 219 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 3: they passed them around network, so raping them one after 220 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 3: the other after the other. Some of these child rapists 221 00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 3: had roles in local governments. The leader of one of 222 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 3: the rape gangs in Oldham, individual named Shabir Ahmed, worked 223 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 3: for the local council as a quote welfare rights officer 224 00:14:23,480 --> 00:14:29,760 Speaker 3: and ran his gang from the council's welfare office. And 225 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: let me give you some of the facts because they're 226 00:14:31,600 --> 00:14:36,880 Speaker 3: just just horrifying. One of the victims a girl named 227 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 3: Victoria Agaglia. Victoria was a fifteen year old teenager and 228 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 3: she was subject to the governments round the clock caretaking, 229 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 3: but she went missing nineteen times in three months, from 230 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 3: up to two weeks at a time. Instead of trying 231 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:56,000 Speaker 3: to find her, the welfare worker simply messaged her saying 232 00:14:56,280 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: when are you coming back? 233 00:14:57,840 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 2: Wow. 234 00:14:58,880 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: It turns out she would was forced into a Pakistani 235 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 3: sex ring by older women who raped her in exchange 236 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 3: for cash, alcohol and hard drugs. She was sometimes abused 237 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:13,680 Speaker 3: by up to twenty five men in a single night. 238 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 3: Victoria wrote wrote a heartbreaking letter to the police documenting 239 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 3: her abuse, but it was ignored and eventually ignored, and 240 00:15:23,280 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 3: she was found dead from a fatal dose of heroine 241 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:31,120 Speaker 3: given by an abuser. And she was repeatedly drugged and 242 00:15:31,200 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 3: raped the night she was killed. I'll give you another example, 243 00:15:35,440 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 3: Charlene Downs. In Blackpool. In two thousand and three, fourteen 244 00:15:39,080 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 3: year old Charlene Downs disappeared. Police had a lead that 245 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 3: Charlene's body had been dismembered and disposed of at a 246 00:15:45,800 --> 00:15:50,760 Speaker 3: kebab shop in Blackpool. Police uncovered evidence that Charlene had 247 00:15:50,800 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 3: been the victim of child sexual exploitation after being groomed 248 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 3: by a gang. The criminals have not been found and 249 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 3: her body is missing. Twenty years later, Lucy Lowe in Telford, 250 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 3: an individual named Azar Ali Mahmood groom Lucy Lowe from 251 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: the age of twelve and impregnated her at fourteen. He 252 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 3: burned her alive in her own home with her mother, 253 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 3: her disabled sister, and her unborn second child, also fathered 254 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: by Mahmood. Me Mood was jailed for life in two 255 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 3: thousand and one for murder, not for the sex crimes. 256 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 5: For murder. 257 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: Reports indicated that South Asian men were targeting teenagers in 258 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,600 Speaker 3: Telford since the nineteen eighties. I'll give you one other example. 259 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: Sophie in Oldham in two thousand and six, a twelve 260 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 3: year old girl named Sophie entered a police station and 261 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:50,080 Speaker 3: reported that she had just been molested in a graveyard 262 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 3: by a man named Ali. A desk officer told her 263 00:16:54,320 --> 00:16:57,280 Speaker 3: to come back with an adult when she was sober. 264 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 3: Mind you, she was twelve. Two men a cop rusted 265 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,479 Speaker 3: her in the police station, joined by a third, they 266 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 3: raped her in their car. When they dumped her on 267 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:13,280 Speaker 3: the street, she asked a man named Sarwar Ali for directions. 268 00:17:14,480 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 3: He took her to his home, raped her, and gave 269 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 3: her money for bus fare home. Sarwar Ali was arrested 270 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,080 Speaker 3: and remanded to prison over his attack on Sophie. However, 271 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 3: he was then released following a bail application to a judge, 272 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:32,359 Speaker 3: despite being an illegal immigrant in the United Kingdom. He 273 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:35,719 Speaker 3: subsequently failed to attend his appointment with the Immigration Service 274 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:41,240 Speaker 3: and is still at large. Then a man named Shaquille 275 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 3: Chowdery pulled up in his car and offered to take 276 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: Sophie home. He abducted her, took her to a house, 277 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 3: fed her alcohol. Soon after, he and four other men 278 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:58,479 Speaker 3: repeatedly raped her. Only Shaquille was convicted six years in prison. 279 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 3: During his trial, Chowtery named two of the other men 280 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 3: involved in the rapes of Sophie as part of his mitigation, 281 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: but these were not followed up by police at the time. 282 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 3: One of the men named by Chottery was subsequently convicted 283 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,680 Speaker 3: in two thousand and nine of the attempted. 284 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 6: Murder of his wife. 285 00:18:15,680 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 3: This pattern happened over and over and over again. And 286 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:28,159 Speaker 3: the numbers are staggering. We are talking about thousands of 287 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 3: girls systematically, repeatedly raped and the entire British government looked 288 00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,000 Speaker 3: the other way for decades. 289 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:40,359 Speaker 1: So sata the question that I'm sure everyone listening is 290 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: thinking to themselves like, A, has anything changed now? And 291 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: B what should happen the fact that now this is 292 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:48,640 Speaker 1: all out in the. 293 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 3: Open, Well, what has changed is Elon Musk has started 294 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 3: tweeting about it, and Elon has over two hundred million 295 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 3: followers and it has drawn attention to it in a 296 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 3: way that is really important, and it has become, thankfully 297 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 3: a political crisis in the United Kingdom. But I want 298 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 3: you to listen to Keir Starmer, this is just about 299 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 3: a week ago addressing this crisis, and listen to what 300 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,119 Speaker 3: he had to say. This is the Prime Minister of 301 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 3: the United Kingdom. 302 00:19:17,600 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 7: And when politicians and I mean politicians who sat in 303 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 7: government for many years a casual of our honesty, decency, 304 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 7: truth and the rule of law, poling for inquiries because 305 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 7: they want to jump on a bandwagon of the far right, 306 00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 7: and that affects politics because a robust debate can only 307 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 7: be based on the true facts. 308 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,880 Speaker 3: So there you have it. The sitting Prime Minister is 309 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,479 Speaker 3: saying that if you're concerned about the ongoing rape of 310 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:57,119 Speaker 3: thousands of girls in the United Kingdom and the complicity 311 00:19:57,240 --> 00:20:01,320 Speaker 3: of government, he says, you're jumping on the bandwagon of 312 00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:05,720 Speaker 3: the far right that continues to be the multiculturalism political 313 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 3: correctness that he does not want to acknowledge. And by 314 00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 3: the way, he was the chief prosecutor for many of 315 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: these years. He was the one who who was directly 316 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: involved in looking the other way, so naturally he doesn't 317 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 3: want an inquiry. Now, I'll give you the response of 318 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 3: Nigel Farage, one one of the leaders. And actually Nigel 319 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 3: Farage we've had had on on the on this podcast. 320 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,720 Speaker 3: He's been a guest on this podcast before. Nigel Farrag 321 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 3: obviously led the fight for Brexit UH in the United Kingdom, 322 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,840 Speaker 3: and and and and listened to Nigel Farage's response to 323 00:20:37,840 --> 00:20:39,679 Speaker 3: what Kiers Starmer said, Well, so. 324 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 6: Much talk over the last few days about grooming gangs 325 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 6: or should I say great gangs, and Kirs Starmer today 326 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 6: saying that anyone is calling for a full public inquiry 327 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 6: is jumping on the bandwagon of the far right. Wrong 328 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 6: Prime Minister, the vast majority of people in this country 329 00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 6: are absolutely mortified by what has gone on, but even 330 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 6: worse the cover up we've had from the police, social 331 00:21:02,600 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 6: services and both conservative and labor governments. The inquiries that 332 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 6: have happened so far have been nothing more than a whitewash. 333 00:21:10,320 --> 00:21:13,679 Speaker 6: There needs to be a full public inquiry. Let us 334 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 6: find out the truth of the scale of this. I'm 335 00:21:16,160 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 6: told that in up to fifty British towns these gang 336 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 6: rapes were going on. I believe the public need the truth. 337 00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 6: We must have an inquiry. 338 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: Say you hear the frustration there from Nigel, but it 339 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 1: also and this is where I say, let's bring it 340 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: back to the US. 341 00:21:33,600 --> 00:21:34,720 Speaker 2: I worry that we're going. 342 00:21:34,720 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: To have this same type of conversation in the not 343 00:21:38,040 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: too near distant future about all the children that we've 344 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 1: lost in this country. 345 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:44,960 Speaker 3: So the answer to both needs to be the same, 346 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 3: which is there needs to be an inquiry. That needs 347 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:51,159 Speaker 3: to be transparency in the United Kingdom. You know, Nigel 348 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:55,760 Speaker 3: Faraj mentioned that their allegations of up to fifty towns 349 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 3: where these rape gangs were ongoing for years and years 350 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:04,360 Speaker 3: staggering scale. So there needs to be full transparency. The 351 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 3: opposite of a whitewasher a cover up, but real transparence 352 00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,160 Speaker 3: in the United States, the over three hundred thousand children 353 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: that the Bide the administration lost, we need full transparency. 354 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 3: We need to find those kids, those kids who are 355 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,239 Speaker 3: being abused right right now. We need to get them 356 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 3: out of harm's way and sunlight and transparency is powerful, 357 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: but there also needs to be accountability for those who 358 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:27,160 Speaker 3: are culpable. 359 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: As before, if you want to hear the rest of 360 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: this conversation on this topic, you can go back and 361 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,840 Speaker 1: dow the podcasts from earlier this week to hear the 362 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: entire thing. I want to get back to the big 363 00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: story number three of the week you may have missed. 364 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: Let me ask you this just to paint the picture 365 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,120 Speaker 1: of the room. When you guys meet with him, are 366 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:45,920 Speaker 1: you seated? 367 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,160 Speaker 2: Yep? And then when you talk to him when you're 368 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,040 Speaker 2: making your points, do you stand? How does it what 369 00:22:50,080 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 2: does it look like? Is it very chill room? Is 370 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,719 Speaker 2: it a is a casual room or very formal? 371 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,800 Speaker 3: So we're in a room called the Mansfield Room, which 372 00:22:57,840 --> 00:23:02,200 Speaker 3: is a room named for Mike Mansfield, former Senate Majority Leader, 373 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 3: Democrat senator from Montana. Has a big picture of Mike 374 00:23:05,320 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 3: Mansfield holding a pipe, the big painting on the wall. 375 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 3: It is a large room in the Capitol, and when 376 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,960 Speaker 3: we met with him, there's a table that's basically a 377 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 3: giant table set in a rectangle, so we're all facing 378 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 3: each other. So you know, fifty three of us plus 379 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 3: the president around a table looking at each other. And 380 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 3: it's a very nice room, and it's where we have 381 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,200 Speaker 3: lunch every days. 382 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:32,520 Speaker 2: It is. 383 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,439 Speaker 3: It's actually one of the perks of being in the majority. 384 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:38,199 Speaker 3: So the majority has lunch in the Mansfield room. The 385 00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 3: minority has lunch in the LBJ room, which is smaller. 386 00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:42,920 Speaker 3: So when we became a majority, we got into the 387 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: bigger room, which is nice because the LBJ room it's 388 00:23:46,640 --> 00:23:48,680 Speaker 3: pretty tight quarters and so there's a lot more space 389 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 3: in the Mansfield room. So look, I made a case 390 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 3: to him because he came in and he'd been told 391 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 3: by the House, Hey, this is the only way we 392 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:56,879 Speaker 3: can get it done. And I said, miss President, I 393 00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 3: want you to understand something I said. We had a 394 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: meeting of earlier today of all of the Senate committee chairs, 395 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:10,399 Speaker 3: all of us, every single one of us, agrees that 396 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,040 Speaker 3: doing this with two bills is the only way to 397 00:24:13,080 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 3: get it done, and one bill has a massive, massive 398 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 3: risk of failure and extending it to eight months. And 399 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 3: I pointed out to him, I said, look, they're fifty 400 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,320 Speaker 3: three of us in this room. I want you to 401 00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: look around the room. Every single one of us agrees. 402 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 3: All of us I agree, John Thune agrees, Lindsey Graham agrees. 403 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,879 Speaker 3: Said look, you've got Susan Collins and Ran Paul. They 404 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 3: agree on nothing. They agree on this. I want you 405 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 3: to understand why. And one point that I made to 406 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 3: him is I said, look, you need to understand I 407 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 3: love the House of Representers. I love Mike Johnson. He's 408 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:49,439 Speaker 3: a great man, he's a good friend. He has a 409 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 3: nearly impossible job. So I feel for how difficult that 410 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 3: job is. The House of Representatives. More than sixty percent 411 00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 3: of the House was not here when we pass twenty 412 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 3: seventeen texts. 413 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 2: Wow, that a significant number. 414 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 3: So they do not understand what goes into it. They 415 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 3: do not understand the thousands of hours of back and forth. Look, 416 00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 3: they're passionate, they believe in what they're saying, but they 417 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 3: don't have the experience of having gone through this. By 418 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 3: the way, they also many of them don't understand the 419 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,200 Speaker 3: rules of reconciliation of what the Senate could do. Remember 420 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,639 Speaker 3: I talked about we can do budgetary things and not 421 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 3: policy things. There's always a battle between the House and 422 00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 3: Senate because the House gets mad at the Senate. You 423 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,160 Speaker 3: damn senators, you won't do what we want. It's like, well, 424 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: there's a statue that governs what we can do, and 425 00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 3: it does limit what the Senate could do on reconciliation. 426 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 3: That'll be a back and forth. It always is. Every 427 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:47,159 Speaker 3: reconciliation there's a battle between the House and Senate because 428 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,879 Speaker 3: the House wants to do things that the Senate is 429 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,720 Speaker 3: not allowed to do under the terms of the statue. 430 00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 3: What I told President Trump is I said, listen, if 431 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 3: we put this all in one bill, we have a 432 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 3: massive risk of film. If we do it in two bills, 433 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,960 Speaker 3: we can start with a huge victory securing the border, 434 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 3: rebuilding the military, unleashing American energy, and then we will 435 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 3: get tax cuts past. 436 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 2: It's just going to take longer. 437 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 3: And and you know on the argument that, well, gosh, 438 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,600 Speaker 3: this is the how House leadership's argument, we need each 439 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 3: pieces a sweetener to get the votes. What I've said 440 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:26,840 Speaker 3: in response is okay, show me this magical unicorn of 441 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 3: a House member, cause I know most of these guys. Yea, 442 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 3: So show me. Don't talk about Well, I got members. 443 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:35,080 Speaker 3: I can't get their vote without it. All right, tell 444 00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:39,400 Speaker 3: me who you're talking about, crazy right wing knuckle draggers. Okay, 445 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 3: I'm a crazy right wing knuckle dragger. Those are my peeps. 446 00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:43,880 Speaker 2: I'll go talk to them. I'll go talk to them. 447 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 3: But when I'm talking to them, they're not saying that. 448 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,920 Speaker 3: Are you talking about really moderate Republicans? All right, Fine, 449 00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: that's a different that's a different, different problem to solve. 450 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:57,760 Speaker 3: But we talk about that. One of the issues that 451 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 3: complicates this is what's called. 452 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:01,800 Speaker 2: The salt Explain that. 453 00:27:02,480 --> 00:27:06,680 Speaker 3: Okay, So the salt tax is state and local tax deduction. 454 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:10,639 Speaker 3: So one of the things that happened when we passed 455 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 3: the twenty seventeen tax cut is we eliminated initially, we 456 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 3: eliminated deducting state and local taxes. So it used to 457 00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 3: be before twenty seventeen, if you're in California and you 458 00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 3: pay a crap ton of taxes to the state of California, 459 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:30,160 Speaker 3: you could deduct all those taxes on your federal taxes. Now, 460 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,720 Speaker 3: what that ended up doing was having the federal government 461 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 3: subsidize big blue states that tax the hell out of 462 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:40,320 Speaker 3: their constituents and big blue states that have massive taxes. 463 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:42,919 Speaker 3: You just got it deducted from your federal taxes. And 464 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 3: so we were, like Gavin Newsom, keep raising taxes, the 465 00:27:45,680 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 3: feds will subsidize you on that. So in twenty seventeen 466 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 3: we eliminated that. Now we eliminated it, but we actually 467 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 3: allowed some deduction. We put a cap of ten thousand dollars, 468 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 3: so you can deduct up to ten thousand dollars of 469 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 3: state in local taxes. Are both homeowners in Texas. The 470 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 3: biggest state tax we pay is property tax. Yeah, so 471 00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 3: you and I deduct our property tax on our federal 472 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 3: income tax. But it's capped at ten thousand dollars. So 473 00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:12,120 Speaker 3: if you're paying more than ten thousand. 474 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 2: Dollars, it's on you. It's on you. 475 00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 3: Now, what's the political problem. The political problem is there 476 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:22,480 Speaker 3: are a number of House Republicans who come from blue states, 477 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 3: in particular New York and California, and the blue state Republicans, 478 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 3: the New York and California Republicans have a problem because 479 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 3: eliminating the salt deduction really impacted people in high tax 480 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: states because unfortunately they're big government Democrats keep taxing the 481 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 3: hell out of them. 482 00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 2: We talked about this in California this past week. 483 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 3: Those New York and California Republicans feel an obligation to 484 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: do something to help the problem of not being able 485 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:53,880 Speaker 3: to deduct. 486 00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,720 Speaker 2: More than ten more than ten now. 487 00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,960 Speaker 3: And so the argument is, well, if we add border 488 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: security to it, they'll have to vote for it because 489 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 3: they can't vote against border security. So this is where 490 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 3: the argument makes no sense. I'm like, all right, first 491 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,960 Speaker 3: of all, we tee up the first bill, secure in 492 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,640 Speaker 3: the Border, rebuilding our military, unleashing American energy. I don't 493 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 3: know a Republican is voting against that. The mandate out 494 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: of this election was secure the border. Show me the 495 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 3: idiot Republican who is going to say, no, I'm for 496 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 3: open borders. That that is a recipe for disaster. You're 497 00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 3: retiring when you're doing that, because you ain't running again. 498 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:31,720 Speaker 2: And if you do, you're gonna get primary, you'll get killed. 499 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 3: None of them will vote against border security. They're just 500 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,239 Speaker 3: not going to. 501 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:37,920 Speaker 2: They know the American people, they know what they want. 502 00:29:38,160 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 3: On the salt issue, Look will there have to be 503 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 3: an accommodation for New York and California. Republican, sure, there will. 504 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 3: There will have to be an accommodation. I understand that 505 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 3: that's part of why this takes a while. You got 506 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 3: to negotiate. There are geographic and regional issues that you 507 00:29:56,520 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: have to negotiate, and there's a trade off. Now, will 508 00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,720 Speaker 3: the accommodation be restoring in full the state and local 509 00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,760 Speaker 3: tax deduction? I don't believe it will be, because that's 510 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 3: terrible tax policy. That means the red states are all 511 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 3: subsidizing the blue states and they're bad tax policy. Here's 512 00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,840 Speaker 3: what I think the resolution will be. This action idea 513 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 3: I got from Northquest. Grover Norquist runs America's for Tax Reform. 514 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 3: He's a longtime friend of mine, one of the leading 515 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:30,240 Speaker 3: thinkers when it comes to tax policy. And Grover's idea. 516 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:35,719 Speaker 3: So right now, there is a marriage penalty in how 517 00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 3: you deduct state and local taxes. You as an individual, 518 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:41,400 Speaker 3: if you fire your tax return, you could deduct up 519 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,880 Speaker 3: to ten thousand dollars of state and local taxes. If 520 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 3: you are married, as you are, you and your wife 521 00:30:49,040 --> 00:30:52,680 Speaker 3: can deduct a total love ten thousand dollars on state 522 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: and local taxes. What Grover suggested as a fix is 523 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: eliminate the marriage penalty, which means you and your wife 524 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 3: would be able to deduct No. Twenty thousand, so it 525 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 3: doesn't hurt you. 526 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,000 Speaker 2: You're not being penalized for being married. 527 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 3: Right now, that's good tax policy as well, getting rid 528 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: of the marriage penalty. One of the negative things federal 529 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 3: law does is discourages marriage, and marriage is a very 530 00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 3: good thing for our society. I think will end up 531 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:20,719 Speaker 3: if I were to predict the bill that gets enacted, 532 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,360 Speaker 3: I think will end up eliminating the marriage penalty on 533 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,960 Speaker 3: the salt deduction, which lets the California and New York 534 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 3: Republicans go back and say. 535 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 2: Hey, big win, big win, we double the deduction. Now. 536 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,520 Speaker 3: What it doesn't do is give a multimillion dollar tax 537 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 3: break to Michael Bloomberg. What it doesn't do is give 538 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 3: a massive benefit to billionaires in New York and California 539 00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,760 Speaker 3: who have massive taxes. And I think that's where we'll 540 00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: end up. But again, that takes time, and so I 541 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,800 Speaker 3: don't know how we resolve this. I think we'll end 542 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 3: up seeing the two per seed on parallel tracks. I 543 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 3: think we're gonna see the set the House for a while, 544 00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:59,520 Speaker 3: go forward and say we're doing one big, beautiful bill. 545 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 3: And I think the Senate's gonna say, yeah, that's fine, 546 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 3: we're moving forward. 547 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 2: We're not wasting time. 548 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:07,880 Speaker 3: You're going to forward with our bill on the border, 549 00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 3: on the military, and on energy because we can get 550 00:32:11,080 --> 00:32:13,800 Speaker 3: it done. We want a victory and this is how 551 00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,120 Speaker 3: you win. And look, I don't know how it resolves, 552 00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,880 Speaker 3: but I can tell you I think it is an 553 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:25,520 Speaker 3: enormously consequential question. And frankly, this is exactly the reason 554 00:32:25,560 --> 00:32:29,200 Speaker 3: I think people listen to Verdict for sure, because there 555 00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:33,200 Speaker 3: is not another show. There's not a news no, one's 556 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 3: not a podcast. People don't understand this. And I will 557 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,880 Speaker 3: tell you this is the single biggest topic that the 558 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 3: Senate and House and President Trump are discussing right now, 559 00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 3: and nobody is covering it in the news. But the 560 00:32:47,040 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 3: reason it's the single biggest topic is I believe it 561 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: is the difference between succeeding on Trump's legislative agenda and 562 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 3: winning massive victories or losing and having a crushing failure. 563 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,000 Speaker 3: And in my view, failure is not an option. We 564 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 3: cannot fail, which means we've got to do it right. 565 00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,040 Speaker 1: As always, thank you for listening to Verdict with Sentner, 566 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,479 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you don't forget to deal 567 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: with my podcast and you can listen to my podcasts 568 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:13,840 Speaker 1: every other day you're not listening to Verdict or each 569 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:16,320 Speaker 1: day when you listen to Verdict. 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