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Speaker 2: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up?

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Speaker 2: Straight firefam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Wednesday,

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Speaker 2: January twenty fourth. We got crazy NBA news. Oh my gosh,

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Speaker 2: firing Atrean Griffin Milwaukee Bucks. WTF. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: Me and Robal chop that up shortly. I just before

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Speaker 2: we get into that, I want to just quickly make

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Speaker 2: note of two things. Well three number one, melkiper Junior.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys saw this. He put

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Speaker 2: out his first mock draft. I don't know if it

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Speaker 2: was today or yesterday. Yeah, I think it was this morning. No, no,

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Speaker 2: it was yesterday. It was he put it out on Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: I didn't see it until this morning. And you know,

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Speaker 2: not nothing major shocking. Kayleb Williams won, right. He had

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Speaker 2: Jaden Daniels over Drake Bay, which is fine. Where it

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Speaker 2: gets mildly interesting is I'm curious who his fourth quarterback was.

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Speaker 2: So I'm looking, I'm looking, I'm like, oh, he's got

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Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy at sixteen to Seattle. Interesting. So I had

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Speaker 2: a Bonnix and Michael Pennox. And then I keep scrolling

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Speaker 2: and I keep scrolling, and he doesn't have bon Nicks

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Speaker 2: or Pennix in the first round round. Now, if you

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Speaker 2: go back to our pod with Daniel Jeremiah two weeks ago,

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Speaker 2: he certainly made it sound like Penix ain't going top

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Speaker 2: ten and there's a chance he could fall I don't

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Speaker 2: know where. Go back and listen to it. It was

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Speaker 2: really insightful, and usually those first impressions are important and

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Speaker 2: long lasting, as opposed to, Oh, Penix just had a

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Speaker 2: banger of a game against Texas. He's going to be

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Speaker 2: not a first round pick, according to Kuiper done on

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Speaker 2: his mock, I didn't realize this. Tod mcshay's gone from ESPN.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm way behind on ESPN cuts, But I

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Speaker 2: just thought that's one thing I wanted to mention. Number two.

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Speaker 2: I watched the movie Dumb Money. I've been talking about

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Speaker 2: it for a while. Football season's basically over. There's three

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Speaker 2: games left. Now you got some free time in between

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Speaker 2: chauffeur and kids around and the movie Dumb Money. It's

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Speaker 2: got like seth Rogen, a bunch of other folks. It's

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Speaker 2: or any of that stuff, you are gonna absolutely love

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Speaker 2: this movie. Very funny, totally different from Killers of the

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Speaker 2: Flower Moon, which I saw. And yes, it's now that

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Speaker 2: season where I'm gonna watch. I haven't seen Oppenheimer. I

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Speaker 2: did see Barbie, which was really good, but I'm excited

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Speaker 2: to watch the movies. I finished Jack Reacher. I know

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Speaker 2: you guys care deeply reach your season two is phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: I just started the one on Disney shoot I forgot

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Speaker 2: so I've barely gotten into that. But yeah, it's like

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Speaker 2: betting on college hoops and the other thing before we

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Speaker 2: get to the NBA. Just this NFL coaching saga. It

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Speaker 2: sounds like Harbaugh to the Chargers is imminent. But I

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Speaker 2: think what's more interesting than that, because we've pretty everybody's

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Speaker 2: reports like Arthur Blank is enamored, Arthur Blank loves Belichick.

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Speaker 2: But the rest of the building is like, Hey, we're

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Speaker 2: building something here. Do we want an old, seventy two

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Speaker 2: year old, irascible, set in his ways kind of guy

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Speaker 2: a situation where Griffin's kind of was like, hey, Scott's

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Speaker 1: because you feel like the other players kind of gravitate

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Speaker 1: for hims more, that leaks of insecurity. So, you know,

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Speaker 1: I don't know thy about Adrian Griffin, But as far

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Speaker 1: as the Doc River situation, that is just dirty pool, right,

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Speaker 1: Like I mean, there is can that be the equivalent

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Speaker 1: America of you know, let's say that you ran a McDonald's.

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Speaker 1: You were you were the manager at McDonald's and they say, hey,

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Speaker 1: we're going to bring in this new guy from Burger King.

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Speaker 1: He's going to be your assistant manager. You're going to

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Speaker 1: train him and how we do things here so that

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Speaker 1: we can help things run more smoothly. And then as

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Speaker 1: soon as you finish training him, you get fired and

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Speaker 1: this guy takes your job. That's basically what happened.

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Speaker 2: Like that happens.

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Speaker 1: That's that sucks, right, And so you feel Batterive Griffin

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Speaker 1: in that regard. And to your point about Doc Rivers,

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Speaker 1: I believe for the regular season, as far you know

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Speaker 1: the vibes around the team, that seeds to be the

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Speaker 1: big thing, the vibes. I think that's gonna be fine

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Speaker 1: because he one thing he can do is he can

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Speaker 1: definitely galvanize a locker room. He's very relatable in that regard.

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Speaker 1: I don't think motivation will be an issue at all

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee. The issue becomes when you get to the

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Speaker 1: postseason and it becomes a tactician type thing because every

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Speaker 1: game is its own individual series, and every series is

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Speaker 1: like its own season. Like what you see in game

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Speaker 1: one is not where you're gonna see in game two,

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Speaker 1: and game two is different than Game four. Every game

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Speaker 1: is just a big chess match. And history says with

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Speaker 1: Doc Rivers, he's not the most adept at playing chess.

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Speaker 1: He's not the you know, Junior McIntyre. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to put your son's nowt nam in America, but he's

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Speaker 1: a renowned chess player. Your son is Doc Rivers is

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Speaker 1: not that kind of guy.

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Speaker 2: Interesting subplot Doc Rivers, of course coach the Sixers got runoff.

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Speaker 2: Coach the Celtics won a title, will likely face one

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Speaker 2: or both of them the finals. If I'm a Bucks fan, man,

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I like this, just the vibes, like

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Speaker 2: you said, not great in Milwaukee right now? Goodness gracious?

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Speaker 1: What do you do if you're.

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Speaker 2: The Bucks and and uh you bring on Doc Rivers

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Speaker 2: and then you don't advance? Do you keep him after

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Speaker 2: this year? I mean, what do you do if you're ESPN?

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Speaker 2: Now they ran off I believe Mark Jackson and Van Gundy, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: to make room for Doc Rivers. So who was the

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Speaker 2: announcing team?

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Speaker 1: Doc?

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Speaker 2: What's your name?

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Speaker 1: Doris Burke? Doris Burke? And who and who might bring?

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Speaker 1: So what do you do?

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Speaker 2: Just go Breen and Burke? I mean you could bring

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Speaker 2: back Van Gundy. I don't think he's the Who's.

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Speaker 1: The Hubie Brown is like a big favorite of people.

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Speaker 2: My gosh, he's like ninety two.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he's still sharp as attack. Though he's good.

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Speaker 2: He's good. But like I, I gotta be honest, I

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Speaker 2: didn't even hear a lot of Doc Rivers announcing how

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Speaker 2: was he?

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Speaker 1: By the way, he's fine. I mean, Doc River is

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Speaker 1: a good talker. Thankfully, his voice isn't as raspy on

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Speaker 1: TV as it was during like the micd up segments

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Speaker 1: where he's always yelling, so by the third quarter his

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Speaker 1: voice was shot. He doesn't have that issue anymore. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that what happens with the broadcast

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Speaker 1: team is kind of like the twenty eighth most important

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Speaker 1: storyline here in this Milwaukee Bucks situation, there's just.

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Speaker 2: So many bizarre ways to go. I personally, ultimately, I

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Speaker 2: don't love it. I don't think this is going to

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Speaker 2: hold me back from still taking Boston. Like, I don't

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Speaker 2: think this changes the equation in Milwaukee's out of favor.

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Speaker 2: I do wonder, though, you know, Philly and Bucks meet

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Speaker 2: in the second round for right to the Easter Coverence

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Speaker 2: Finals edge to Philly.

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Speaker 1: Is it possible, I would say Philly, especially now that

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Speaker 1: they have all these assets to make another trade if

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Speaker 1: they want to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, not quite an implosion of eme Udoka still and

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Speaker 2: an implosion nonetheless, So do you want to do anything

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Speaker 2: on the Terry Rose your trade? By the way, I

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Speaker 2: don't understand how the Hornets could give up a good

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Speaker 2: player and basically get nothing in return because.

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Speaker 1: They're the Hornet Kyle Lowry something. No, they're the Hornets

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Speaker 1: like they they have reached the point now where they

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Speaker 1: are like a feeder system to the rest of the NBA.

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Speaker 2: You're telling me you couldn't get anything better than Kyle

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Speaker 2: Lowry in a future first any Miami first round pick

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Speaker 2: is going to be in the bottom bottom eight, bottom ten, right, Yep,

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Speaker 2: nobody was offering more than that.

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Speaker 1: Look for a long time, and I'll take ownership with

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Speaker 1: as well. I thought that it was Michael Jordan who

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Speaker 1: was the problem that he just because he was such

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Speaker 1: a great player, he had a hard time being a

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Speaker 1: great evaluator. That's not that's totally common these days because

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Speaker 1: it's like to them, all of this stuff comes so

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Speaker 1: easy and natural, and so they have a hard time

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Speaker 1: pointing out the the inefficiencies and the problems with other

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Speaker 1: players because to them, they can't relate to being that

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Speaker 1: poor of a player, right, so they can't evaluate the

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Speaker 1: way you would need to. He's not there anymore, So

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Speaker 1: I don't know who you would blame for this. It's

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Speaker 1: not like Terry Rogier was eating into LaMelo balls development, right,

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Speaker 1: Like LaMelo balls developing just as much as he would

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Speaker 1: any other place. He's just is always hurt. So if anything,

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Speaker 1: Terry Rogier was like a compliment to him because he

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Speaker 1: could step in and fill that void when LaMelo misses,

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Speaker 1: you know, three weeks at a time per usual. So

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Speaker 1: I'm surprised that they did this. Maybe they're in a

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Speaker 1: race to the bottom with Washington and that's the case.

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Speaker 1: If that's the case, keep an eye out for what

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Speaker 1: is that Miles Bridges. Maybe he gets out here in

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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks as well.

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Speaker 2: There's just a total fire sale. I don't know where

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Speaker 2: you're going to, but there's nobody awesome in the draft.

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Speaker 2: Cooper Flag Is he coming out or two years away?

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Speaker 1: I think he's the year after.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm thinking right unless he reclassifies. But

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Speaker 2: he's not like a one min Yama anyway, So I

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Speaker 2: do I guess Rob, we can wrap up on this.

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Speaker 2: Are you of the belief that Darvinham is in major

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Speaker 2: trouble here before the season ends or before the trade deadline.

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Speaker 1: No, I do not, and it's not because he shouldn't be.

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Speaker 1: It's because the Los Angeles Lakers, for all their glitz

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Speaker 1: and glamour in Hollywood and all the championships, what have you,

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Speaker 1: what they are to their core is a mom and

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Speaker 1: pop store. They don't have the Steve Balmer investment money

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Speaker 1: where the Clippers are, just to think he can play

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Speaker 1: with and spend however he wants to write the Bus Family.

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Speaker 1: Their only real income is the Lakers, and they are

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Speaker 1: already as far as I know, still paying two other coaches.

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Speaker 1: I think they're still playing Luke Walton, and I know

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Speaker 1: they're still paying Frank Vogel. So for them to fire

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Speaker 1: another coach this quickly is something I don't think they

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Speaker 1: would do because all that would mean is another million

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Speaker 1: dollars a year away from the Bus Family whatever per

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Speaker 1: person that they don't get a spend on their own

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Speaker 1: they would much rather. That's why they're one of the

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Speaker 1: few teams despite being in a huge market, they they

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Speaker 1: really shy away from the luxury tax and the second

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Speaker 1: April like they're one of those teams where they're like, Nah,

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Speaker 1: we don't need to do that. We're not going to

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Speaker 1: do that. So no, I think he's safe.

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Speaker 2: All right, I'll I'll go with fifty forty nine percent

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Speaker 2: trouble just in case things really go south here in

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Speaker 2: the next two weeks. But it'll be fun to monitor that.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: We'll back tomorrow. I promise you will get to the

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Speaker 2: Kevin Duran story. Is he a top ten player all time?

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Speaker 2: It's just there's so you need a lot of room

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Speaker 2: to spread your wings, and you know this NBA chaos

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Speaker 2: threw it off today, But we'll do that tomorrow here

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Speaker 2: on the pod. Talk to you then,