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And trust me, 13 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 1: it ain't ninety nine point eight percent of the league. 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 3: Something tells me Rob Parker's not buying the spin job 15 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 3: coming out of the w Because if you're on social 16 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 3: media earlier on Tuesday, a very interesting graphic put. 17 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,920 Speaker 4: Up on ESPN and the WNBA social media accounts. 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 3: Showing that the WNBA television ratings for the All Star 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 3: Game over the weekend, we're up one hundred and fifty 20 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:17,640 Speaker 3: eight percent. You're like, man, that's a ginormous number. That's incredible, 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 3: and then small parenthes underneath it. They put from the 22 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,560 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three season. No, that's crazy, You're like, well, 23 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:27,400 Speaker 3: why would they do that because we're now in twenty 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 3: twenty five. 25 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 4: What happened in twenty twenty four. 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, twenty twenty four was when Caitlin Clark joined 27 00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 3: exactly WNBA All Star Game, and if you consider what 28 00:01:37,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 3: happened last year with the television ratings, this year's All 29 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 3: Star Game down thirty six percent year over year. The 30 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 3: difference was Clark played last year, did not play this year? 31 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: Bob, do you give me more? We could go on on. 32 00:01:52,520 --> 00:01:57,000 Speaker 3: This just continues a trend, rather troubling trend if you're 33 00:01:57,040 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 3: the WNBA that we've seen now play out for years. 34 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,240 Speaker 3: The twenty twenty five NCAA Championship Game for women, you recall, 35 00:02:05,320 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 3: had the largest ratings ever when Kaitlyn Clark was in it. 36 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:13,760 Speaker 3: The year after, so that was this year down fifty 37 00:02:13,800 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: four percent? 38 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:17,079 Speaker 1: Ought a shocker? Oh wow, okay, I thought people like 39 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 1: women's basketball. 40 00:02:18,240 --> 00:02:18,919 Speaker 4: I thought that was. 41 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 3: Twenty twenty five WNBA Draft down forty nine percent from 42 00:02:24,840 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 3: last year when Kaitlyn Clark was in it. The All 43 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 3: Star Game we just mentioned, down thirty six percent from 44 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 3: last year when Kaitlyn Clark was in it. And here's 45 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 3: the worst one of all the twenty twenty five WNBA 46 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 3: television rating. 47 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 4: Ah you listening, Kelvin is for you? Okay, go ahead. 48 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: While Kaitlyn Clark was out injured. She's been injured a 49 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 3: lot throughout the season, down fifty percent during the time 50 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 3: that she was out hurt. The Kaitlyn Clark effect is real. 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: There's no doubt about it. And Kelvin, I'm just gonna 52 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: say this. I'm not going to mince words or whatever. 53 00:02:57,160 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: They want fifty percent of the revenue and all that. 54 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,399 Speaker 4: That's what the well, that's right. 55 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: They want they want. They want that like the NBA. 56 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 1: They want fifty percent of whatever is bringing brought in 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: and that's there. They're only getting nine percent, but they 58 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 1: want fifty percent. And I say, no way, no how 59 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: for the majority of the women in the WNBA. But 60 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:26,600 Speaker 1: if you ask me about Caitlin Clark, she deserves fifty 61 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 1: percent of the revenue coming in and they deserve to 62 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: continue nine percent because when she's not involved, it's business 63 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: as usual, which is what we had for the previous 64 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 1: thirty years of the WNBA, which is not that good. 65 00:03:44,280 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: She is the one NUKA guys can deny. 66 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: It all you want, say it's not fair this and 67 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: that she moves the needle. 68 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 4: There's no the numbers are there. Yeah, I don't know 69 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 4: who can. I don't know. 70 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,120 Speaker 1: People act like, oh well, it's not hurt really. And 71 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: here's the other thing. The other night All Star Game 72 00:04:02,040 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: to one of those black T shirts, Kaitlyn Clark's T 73 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:10,600 Speaker 1: shirt should have said pay me what you owe. 74 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 4: Me in capitol letters. 75 00:04:12,160 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: M e you what about me, bounds, This is about 76 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: me being paid. Kaitlyn Clark deserves to be paid. I'm 77 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:27,200 Speaker 1: gonna take it a step further. She should opt out 78 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:32,719 Speaker 1: of the WNBA uh union deal where all players, you know, 79 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: split the merchandise and all this. She should opt out 80 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: because I'm gonna give you a couple of names of 81 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: players who opted out. 82 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,599 Speaker 4: Michael Jordan opted out of the NBA. 83 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: He not taking the same cut as the fourth, the 84 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:51,120 Speaker 1: twelfth man on the on an NBA roster, Okay, exactly. 85 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 4: He not taking that. 86 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,040 Speaker 1: Barry Bonds opted out of Baseball's He's not taking that 87 00:04:57,080 --> 00:04:59,480 Speaker 1: for what the twenty fifth man on a baseball roster 88 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: then was getting. Everybody gets the same amount of money. 89 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: They both opted out. She should opt out of anything 90 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: involving the other players and even her contract. 91 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 4: I don't want it that garbage. 92 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,320 Speaker 1: If you want me to play, you give me a 93 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 1: personal service contract to the owner. You know what I mean. 94 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: I work for him or her, whoever owns a what 95 00:05:24,920 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 1: is the name of that team, the Indiana I fever. Yeah, 96 00:05:28,320 --> 00:05:31,400 Speaker 1: I work for the owner as a personal service deal, 97 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:34,960 Speaker 1: not a part of any union structure, so that she 98 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: can make the peanuts that they're giving her. She is 99 00:05:38,720 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: by far the reason we're even having a conversation about 100 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: the WNBA, about anything involving money and ratings and ticket sales. 101 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 4: It's her. 102 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: Go out and get a T shirt, Kaitlin Clark's T shirt. 103 00:05:58,520 --> 00:06:02,760 Speaker 4: Pay me what you owe me. They owe her. The 104 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,920 Speaker 4: rest of the women in the WNBA not so much. 105 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 5: She clearly is the sun in everything orbits around her, 106 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 5: without a doubt. She is the gravity that pulls everybody in, 107 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 5: that pulls the viewership, that pulls the sponsorships to pull 108 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 5: the chartered planes, all that good stuff and so everything. 109 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 5: I'm with you. She clearly her worth. We all know 110 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 5: what it is. WNBA has skyrocketed since her ascension. The 111 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 5: college college women's college basketball tournament. It rows because of her, 112 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 5: without a doubt. The only thing where I will throw 113 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:40,760 Speaker 5: a caveat into this is rob money isn't everything to everybody, 114 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 5: especially when you're still making good money. And what I 115 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 5: mean by that is I think she realizes she has 116 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,599 Speaker 5: a chance to help be a part of something. She's 117 00:06:49,640 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 5: been very vocal about how she wants to be a 118 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,479 Speaker 5: part of the movement to get women to be paid more. 119 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 5: She wants to be a part of the movie to 120 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:58,359 Speaker 5: get what they believe they deserve. She wants to be 121 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 5: a part of the elevation of the game, both from 122 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 5: a notoriety standpoint, from a critically acclaim standpoint, from a 123 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 5: viewership standpoint, and a financial standpoint. And she very much 124 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:09,000 Speaker 5: wants to be a part of that. And I think 125 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 5: that's why, as big as she is, she often opts 126 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 5: to kind of be a part of the team. She 127 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 5: opts to I'll just be there and do what we're 128 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 5: all doing, and I'll make sure or in this case, 129 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:21,040 Speaker 5: I won't be seen for a reason so that I 130 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 5: don't blow up the spot. To me, she strikes me 131 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 5: as somebody who wants to her legacy to be. I 132 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 5: was a great player, but also look what I did 133 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 5: for the game. And that's why I think she's not 134 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 5: gonna put herself on an island or it's all about me, 135 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,679 Speaker 5: take care of me, look at me, because no nothing. 136 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: Jordan and Barry Bonds did it for a reason, because 137 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:40,560 Speaker 1: because it's not fair. 138 00:07:40,600 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 4: It's not that the equity is not' I'm not Jordan. 139 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 5: And Barry Bonds were not got Hastings are not the 140 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 5: same guy in him and they should not. 141 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,240 Speaker 4: I'm not arguing that, but I'm saying her too. 142 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: But that's separating yourself from from membership, is what it is. 143 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: And I can't be mad at somebody who moves the 144 00:07:58,760 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 1: needle that much. 145 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:01,559 Speaker 4: And I would argue mighty. 146 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 5: I mean for the relative respect of sports, she's equal 147 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 5: to Jordan in that regard, maybe even bigger in that 148 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:11,560 Speaker 5: regard of what she brings versus the single you know, 149 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,720 Speaker 5: compared to him, the singular person. But again, I think 150 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,880 Speaker 5: she's standing for something bigger. I think she looks and 151 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 5: you know, you look at a billy Jane King. I'm 152 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 5: trying to do more for women's tennis. I'm trying to 153 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 5: get him paid more I'm trying to get title nine. 154 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 5: I'm trying to do all of this, and I think 155 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 5: that's to me equally. What her mission is not just 156 00:08:28,200 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 5: to be great, not just to watch my bank account grow, 157 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,960 Speaker 5: but I want part of my legacy to be Look 158 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:34,200 Speaker 5: what I also helped build. 159 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:36,559 Speaker 4: Look at the legacy I left behind her. She can't 160 00:08:36,600 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 4: do it. 161 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: She can't do it with the rest of the women 162 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: and the league because the numbers aren't going to allow 163 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 1: you to do that, and her showing. 164 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 4: Her worth, her worth, she ain't. You got to show it. 165 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 5: At this point it is clear it is there's no 166 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 5: more number indicator that. 167 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: Numbers doing that by by by saying no, you're not 168 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: going to short change me, no under and he circumstances 169 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,920 Speaker 1: as a woman especially, I'm not gonna take what everybody 170 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: else is taking when obviously my numbers dictate something else. 171 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: Michael Jordan did it, Barry Bonds did it, and she 172 00:09:13,640 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: should do. 173 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,800 Speaker 5: Here's the difference or why, I think the issue why 174 00:09:16,840 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 5: they're not quite apples apples. She's just now entering the league, 175 00:09:20,760 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 5: whereas Jordan and Bonds were able to do that because 176 00:09:23,559 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 5: they became established, you know, they became those guys where 177 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 5: you could literally I can't even hate on that. I 178 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 5: think for her, she's feeling like, I'm new to this. 179 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:32,240 Speaker 5: I want to grow. I want to, you know, kind 180 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 5: of build a camaraderie. I don't want to come in 181 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 5: and ruffle feathers, separating myself, whereas Jordan took years because 182 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 5: he came in the league. Yeah, you're good, but it's 183 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 5: about Magic, It's about burd, It's about doctor Jay's about 184 00:09:42,360 --> 00:09:45,520 Speaker 5: Isaiah Thomas, about a bunch of other guys kareem as well, 185 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 5: and I think eventually his ascension, Jordan could separate and 186 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 5: stuff and you couldn't be mad at that. She doesn't 187 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:52,760 Speaker 5: want to walk in and be that, but I completely 188 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:55,680 Speaker 5: get it why you would do that, because again she 189 00:09:55,880 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 5: nothing else has been this obvious in sports in quite 190 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 5: some time except Tiger Woods, in the separation with Tiger 191 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 5: Woods where you saw him and then the next golfer 192 00:10:04,400 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 5: and the only thing to w NBA. They have to 193 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 5: figure it out where they have to have other stars 194 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:11,880 Speaker 5: continue to grow along with her. And if she can 195 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 5: pull the ship, she can be dragging the ship. We 196 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 5: are all right with that, but other people have to 197 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 5: rise as well. Because I told Rob g this rob 198 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 5: last point, what if she ends up becoming and you 199 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 5: know how this works in sports. What if the novelty 200 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 5: robs rubs off. What if the novelty goes away and 201 00:10:29,559 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 5: you know that happens. What if in a year or two, 202 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 5: everything we love her for becomes what we don't like 203 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:37,560 Speaker 5: her for. All she does shoot threes here she goes 204 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,120 Speaker 5: again getting into it with people. Yeah, but she never 205 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,480 Speaker 5: wins anything, and meaning she comes down a little bit 206 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:44,560 Speaker 5: and she's just a good player. 207 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:45,800 Speaker 4: How it works. 208 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: Strike when no, no, no, I'm not talking about that. 209 00:10:51,320 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: What I'm saying you sound like Jerry Jones talking about 210 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: getting hit by a car. 211 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,800 Speaker 5: No, no, no, no, this isn't no, this isn't your This 212 00:10:56,840 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 5: is not about her. I'm talking about I'm saying, this 213 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:00,440 Speaker 5: is why the league has to continue to go the game, 214 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 5: because there's gonna be a copumba point where she levels 215 00:11:03,040 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 5: down and you don't want it to be. 216 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 4: Well, you missed out. So I know. 217 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 5: I'm saying, strike when hot and grow while she's hot. 218 00:11:08,440 --> 00:11:11,079 Speaker 5: Grow the game while she's hot, because eventually she may 219 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,520 Speaker 5: just become a really good player, but not one of 220 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,440 Speaker 5: the best, as she isn't right now. 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It's 248 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 6: gonna be the best after show podcast of all time. 249 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 6: There you go, over Promising. Remember you could see it 250 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 6: on YouTube, but definitely join us. Listen Over Promised with 251 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 6: Cadino and Rich on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or 252 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,120 Speaker 6: wherever you get your podcasts. 253 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 1: Packers quarterback Jordan Love it was the play the NFL's 254 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,520 Speaker 1: top one hundred plays, and my goodness, grace, he take 255 00:12:41,559 --> 00:12:42,080 Speaker 1: a drop. 256 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 3: You know what's funny is that Rob does not care, 257 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 3: does not respect players, polls and opinions unless unless it works. 258 00:12:49,320 --> 00:12:51,199 Speaker 4: It works in his narrative that he's like, Rob, g 259 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:56,560 Speaker 4: let's do this one, and you know how to pull 260 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:58,320 Speaker 4: the cart back. Hey, hey, Rob, you. 261 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:00,760 Speaker 5: Know what else he loves to I shocked he didn't 262 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 5: tell let me do it. 263 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,520 Speaker 4: Hey, Alex, can you get the Caitlin Clark. 264 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 5: Drop because I thought you would do this for Jordan 265 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 5: Love him dropping in the rankings like that. 266 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 4: Yes, we need let me throw you to all like that. 267 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 5: Let me be Chris Paul coming back to the Clippers 268 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 5: for you throw this ally you I thought you had 269 00:13:17,280 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 5: that ready, Alex, can you. 270 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 4: Get to the. 271 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 3: That's right, It's better than to get Kawhi ready because 272 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 3: this joke is going to be really good. 273 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 4: What I never ax? 274 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 5: Alex knows he's shooting like Dawhite. Howe for the Frew 275 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 5: about thirty five? 276 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 2: Good? 277 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: Tell them the truth? When I when I, when I 278 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,040 Speaker 4: C Alex or whatever? You go? Oh God, here we go. 279 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:43,800 Speaker 4: I know it was gonna be a bad joke. We 280 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 4: got yes, but here we go. 281 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,599 Speaker 3: So in twenty twenty four, Jordan Love had that breakout 282 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,480 Speaker 3: end of the season and he debuted on the NFL 283 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,760 Speaker 3: one hundred at number thirty four, which was big for 284 00:13:56,840 --> 00:13:58,920 Speaker 3: him considering again it was his first year as a 285 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:01,600 Speaker 3: starter and to be that high in the list right 286 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 3: out of the gate was a big deal. Well, after 287 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four season, which was of course, injury 288 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 3: riddled to start off with generally uneven from him and 289 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 3: the Packers as a whole, he fell all the way 290 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 3: to number sixty eight in this year's NFL one hundred, 291 00:14:20,560 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 3: a big fall from grace for the Packers quarterback. 292 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 4: And you know what, it is totally warranted because. 293 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: I think he got paid off of that Packers playoff 294 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: game against Cowboys, right, and then we realized what happened. 295 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 4: Calvin was the back. The Cowboys defense was terrible. 296 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 1: Everybody was lighting them up right for the next floor 297 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: five games right the following year. 298 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: So it wasn't just like he came in and destroyed him. 299 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: But at that time, you were like a playoff game 300 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: in Dallas, and he put up a forty piece or 301 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: whatever it was, right right, But last year thirty three 302 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: hundred yards, twenty five touch downs, eleven interceptions, four fumbles, 303 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: sixty three percent quarter completion ratio. 304 00:15:07,040 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 4: So it just wasn't good. And here's the other thing. 305 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: He's he's prone to throw at least two picks, so 306 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: to have two turnovers a game, like two picks a 307 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 1: game at one stretch, he really has struggled. And this 308 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:25,280 Speaker 1: is the thing I'm gonna say about Jordan Love. I 309 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: always questioned how good he was, and I know he 310 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: got the deal. He's gonna be their quarterback and they 311 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: hope to have three quarterbacks for forty years right between 312 00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: Brett Favv, Aaron Rodgers and now Jordan Love. 313 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 4: And I get it as an organization. That's the best thing, 314 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 4: so that it's a great accomplishment. 315 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: It really is to be able to have that, because 316 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,320 Speaker 1: you know, you look at Pittsburgh. 317 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 4: And the Brown quarterbacks, but there's a lot of teams. 318 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,400 Speaker 1: The Jets have had a million quarterbacks early two thousand 319 00:15:51,400 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 1: lions exactly. But here's the thing, and this is when 320 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: I questioned it and Rob G. This is not a 321 00:15:57,240 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: second guest. I say this because Rob G knows this. 322 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 1: When they had a chance to trade Aaron Rodgers to Denver, 323 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: do you remember that, coming off off of MVP and 324 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: they were gonna get a quarterback, they moved up to 325 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: get Jordan Love. 326 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 4: Like all the signs were there, like they had him. 327 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:17,800 Speaker 1: For they had already had him. I'm sorry, they had 328 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 1: him for like three years or whatever. So we were 329 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: sitting there, so they had an idea of who he was. 330 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,280 Speaker 1: They watched him in practice all the stuff, and that's 331 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: why when they moved off of Brett Farb they had 332 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers. Remember he didn't play for three years, but 333 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: they knew what they had something they didn't even the 334 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:35,040 Speaker 1: last time when he was like I don't know if 335 00:16:35,040 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: I'm a player or not. They were like no, no, we're 336 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 1: gonna make it. We'll make the decision for you. You're 337 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: not playing with us next year? How's that? Which they 338 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: could have done with Aaron Rodgers gotten a Hall coming 339 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:47,320 Speaker 1: off of an MVP. But when they didn't make that trade, 340 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: I questioned how good he really is because that was 341 00:16:53,160 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: the most opportune time to have your quarterback and you 342 00:17:01,160 --> 00:17:03,760 Speaker 1: get a hole for your aging quarterback at that point, 343 00:17:03,800 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? And so that always 344 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,120 Speaker 1: I always questioned it. But then you had the big 345 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: playoff game, so I was like, well, maybe I'm wrong, 346 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:14,280 Speaker 1: maybe I'm not watching them every day, but that was 347 00:17:14,320 --> 00:17:16,439 Speaker 1: pretty damn impressive. You got to give the guy credit, 348 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 1: but the numbers just haven't been good and a lot 349 00:17:19,400 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 1: of turnovers. 350 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 4: I don't think you have to be wrong. 351 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 5: I think you can be right in this insense of 352 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 5: this is bigger than to me, the larger conversation of 353 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:28,919 Speaker 5: is he good or not. I think Jordan Love is 354 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:30,440 Speaker 5: going to be good. I think he'll have a couple 355 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:33,200 Speaker 5: of Pro Bowls throughout his career. He'll be a nemesis 356 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:35,639 Speaker 5: for the Lions and the Bears and the Vikings for 357 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,760 Speaker 5: some years. I think he'll be fine. Here's my bigger 358 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:40,879 Speaker 5: conversation with this, the idea that we keep crowning people 359 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 5: after a year. In his case, really after eight games 360 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 5: he goes crazy. Eighteen the last eight games of that season, 361 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 5: he gets eighteen touchdowns, one interceptions, goes into that postseason, 362 00:17:50,640 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 5: destroys the Cowboys, and we're like, look at Patrick Montana, 363 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 5: like we're ready to call him everything. 364 00:17:56,119 --> 00:17:57,600 Speaker 4: Look at you know, Tom Manning. 365 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 5: We were just calling him the combination of all these 366 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,200 Speaker 5: great And that's to me, the bigger conversation is, we 367 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 5: keep ready to crown somebody, right, It's okay to let 368 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:10,120 Speaker 5: somebody grow, It's okay to let some things play out 369 00:18:10,160 --> 00:18:12,360 Speaker 5: a little bit before we all of a sudden want 370 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 5: to start proclaiming things. And all of a sudden, Jordan 371 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 5: Love is gonna be the this, Jordan Love's gonna be 372 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:19,399 Speaker 5: to that. And now there is some times there's gonna 373 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 5: be regression. Might I throw a couple names at you. 374 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:22,920 Speaker 4: CJ. 375 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:26,359 Speaker 5: Stroud looked amazing year one. We like, oh shoot, CJ. 376 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 5: Strout's doing to the ones. 377 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 4: CJ. 378 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 5: Strout looks like he's gonna be a good quarterback for 379 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:33,080 Speaker 5: years to come. But he took some regression last year, 380 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,760 Speaker 5: the offensive line wasn't great, they were missing some players, 381 00:18:35,760 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 5: there were some injuries, but overall, he would admit he 382 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 5: took a step Backchic mechanics looked off a little bit. 383 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 4: It happens. 384 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,879 Speaker 5: Do you remember a guy who is now the MVP, 385 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 5: Josh Allen didn't look amazing year two turnovers like crazy, 386 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 5: and everybody started to question. 387 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: But for every guy you mentioned, I can mention guys 388 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,119 Speaker 1: too who got worse and never recovered, you know what 389 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:56,399 Speaker 1: I mean. 390 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:58,359 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna get your point on it. 391 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:01,679 Speaker 1: I'm not questioning saying like it's not automatic that because 392 00:19:01,720 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: these other guys bounce back. 393 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,320 Speaker 4: I'm saying he may be bad. My point, I think 394 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 4: he's gonna be good. 395 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,919 Speaker 5: But what I'm saying is it's okay to just say, oh, 396 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 5: Jordan Love looked really good that year. Let's see what 397 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 5: we got we you know, I mean you and I, 398 00:19:13,080 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 5: but we the meaning we Joe, Oh, he's gotta be this. 399 00:19:15,720 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 5: He's gonna be the greatest. And another current example will 400 00:19:18,800 --> 00:19:21,480 Speaker 5: be jayde and Daniels. I expect Jane Daniels to be good, 401 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:25,080 Speaker 5: but they already got him the fifth best quarterback. And again, 402 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 5: what happens in the NFL catch teams by surprise, we 403 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:33,000 Speaker 5: know captain film on you. You know, things start, okay, 404 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 5: now we're gonna lock you up. Now we've seen it. 405 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 5: Now we know your tendencies. For instance, Jaye Daniels did 406 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 5: not like to throw over the middle. I think seventy 407 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 5: percent of his throws were to the right side. So 408 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 5: they start to get these numbers on you, and again 409 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 5: they make it more difficult. Jared Goff balling out going 410 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 5: to super Bowls the first struggle so much so they said, 411 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:51,560 Speaker 5: get out of here. Yes, you took us to the 412 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 5: super Bowl, but we were so and apt in the 413 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 5: Super Bowl. Get out of town, bring us Matthew Stafford. 414 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 5: And so my point is, I think the larger point 415 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:00,760 Speaker 5: for me because I think Jordan Love's to be fine. 416 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,840 Speaker 5: But is that the minute somebody looks good for a 417 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:05,600 Speaker 5: handful of games or a season, we're already saying this 418 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 5: person is the next best and greatest thing. And I'm like, yo, 419 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 5: it's okay to pump the brakes and say I want 420 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 5: to see another year or two. Can you show me 421 00:20:12,440 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 5: some prolonged success? And it's okay to say, all right, 422 00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 5: I like that, I like what I've got now, but 423 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 5: we are ready to act like somebody's in all be 424 00:20:19,600 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 5: all right off the bat, especially that position that is difficult. 425 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 4: And now the reading the book is out on you well. 426 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:28,400 Speaker 1: But some of the numbers are just no quarterback has 427 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: more multi interception games than Love. He has seven since 428 00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 1: the start of last season. The other one is we 429 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: talked about the you talked about the final eight games 430 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,879 Speaker 1: of last season when he had the eighteen touchdowns against 431 00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:44,439 Speaker 1: one interception, but the twenty three games sandwiched around that, 432 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 1: thirty nine touchdowns and twenty one interceptions, Like he turned. 433 00:20:49,680 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 4: And I get it with risk reward all that stuff. 434 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:55,640 Speaker 1: But then I'm sure people in Green Bay it's gotta 435 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: be really rough to watch because they was so used 436 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers not the ball over like you like 437 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like he was ridiculous. 438 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,120 Speaker 4: He sow forty five touchdowns and three interception right. 439 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: All year, so you always were like, like you never 440 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,680 Speaker 1: felt like your quarterback was giving the game away. 441 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 5: I think Jordan Love, rob at his absolute best, at 442 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:22,199 Speaker 5: his best, can be the hybrid between Brett Favre and 443 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers. He's not gonna be as conservative and not 444 00:21:26,720 --> 00:21:28,280 Speaker 5: you know, don't want to take the risk like in 445 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers. That's why he touched out intercept Rangel is crazy. 446 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 5: But I think he has the potential to be a 447 00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 5: little less turnover prone and a little less of a 448 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 5: gambler than a Brett Farber at his best. He has 449 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,480 Speaker 5: a chance to be the hybrid of those two, which 450 00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 5: could be if you're a Packers fan, you could be good, Hey, 451 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,399 Speaker 5: we got for the next eight to ten years, we 452 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 5: got a really good quarterback. We'll be able to compete 453 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 5: in our division and maybe compete the conference for eight 454 00:21:48,200 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 5: to ten years because we got the per I think 455 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 5: the bridge between the two that's at his best, he 456 00:21:53,119 --> 00:21:54,800 Speaker 5: to me, is the perfect balance. 457 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: But I think from where they were right after that 458 00:21:59,400 --> 00:22:02,919 Speaker 1: postseason game to where they are now, their doubts And 459 00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:05,320 Speaker 1: I'm not saying like they don't think he's any good 460 00:22:05,359 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: at all, but there at that point you were like, 461 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,400 Speaker 1: oh my god, we just struck goal again, am I right? 462 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,600 Speaker 1: Like after that game, there's no way you didn't think 463 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: the Practics have their guy for them. Now. I'm not 464 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,680 Speaker 1: saying obviously that they signed him to a contract. He's 465 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: gonna play and we got to see and he's got 466 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,600 Speaker 1: to work through some stuff. But there is an out 467 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: there is now because he's he's turnover prone and. 468 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 5: He is and he makes some throws. Rob, You're like, 469 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 5: wait what And I think this is a look in 470 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:33,719 Speaker 5: the mirror moment. I think for him it was approved. 471 00:22:33,720 --> 00:22:35,399 Speaker 5: I've been waiting. I've been chomping at the bit. I 472 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 5: finally got my chance. 473 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,440 Speaker 1: You can't got to be aggressive, but you just can't 474 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,160 Speaker 1: throw the ball to the other team because it gets 475 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: hard to win that way. 476 00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 5: And listen, I know you knocked this guy, but that 477 00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 5: was part of the thing with with you know, some 478 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 5: of the games that Patrick Mahomes had to have. Sometimes 479 00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:51,040 Speaker 5: it just wasn't there and it was ugly. And Bro, 480 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 5: we got to kick this field goal, we got to 481 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 5: run the ball. But he was able to find ways 482 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 5: to win. And there's something to be learning that, Jordan Love. 483 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,280 Speaker 5: You ain't got to risk at all, Bru. We can 484 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:03,119 Speaker 5: still find a way to win its I'm just saying. 485 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 486 00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at foxsports Radio 487 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 488 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:14,639 Speaker 2: listen live. 489 00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: Rob g I want to bring you in because this 490 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,879 Speaker 1: happening is going on with the Cleveland Browns and just 491 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: all the reports coming out just are not good when 492 00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to Shador Sanders, I mean, they just aren't. 493 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: You can read in you know, I read into it. No, 494 00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: Like if you read the stories, it doesn't sound promising 495 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,159 Speaker 1: that he's going to be the starting quarterback like a 496 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,800 Speaker 1: lot of people are predicted, whether it be the start 497 00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:44,679 Speaker 1: of the season, or halfway through the season or the 498 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: last four games of the season, it just doesn't sound 499 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:47,159 Speaker 1: like that. 500 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 3: Rob g Yeah, and Browns camps opening up this week 501 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:51,320 Speaker 3: and like a lot of camps are around the league, 502 00:23:51,359 --> 00:23:54,200 Speaker 3: and of course all eyes are on that four man 503 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 3: quarterback battle because it's been widely reported ESPN, NFL Networks, 504 00:23:59,520 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 3: CBS Sports, the Cleveland Browns will not nt be keeping 505 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 3: four quarterbacks on the active roster. 506 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 4: Most teams just don't do it. They will not be 507 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 4: doing it. 508 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:12,680 Speaker 3: So obviously what that means is one of these guys 509 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 3: gonna be the addo man out. And according to the 510 00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 3: latest piece in CBS Sports, there is a growing belief 511 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 3: that the auto man now is going to be sher 512 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 3: Doer Centers Shere's the reason why number one. Joe Flacco 513 00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,879 Speaker 3: the oldest in the group, let the team of the 514 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 3: playoffs two years ago, so he's kind of the leader 515 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:30,919 Speaker 3: in the clubhouse in that regard where they hey, we 516 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 3: can count on this guy. We know what the benchmark is. 517 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 3: At a minimum, We're gonna be solid with Joe Flacco. 518 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:40,080 Speaker 3: Kenny Pickett was reported last month by Mary Kay Cabot 519 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 3: that he is, by all accounts said to be the 520 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 3: starter in Week one, and I'm not traded for him. 521 00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:50,080 Speaker 3: They gave up assets, real pieces to get Kenny Pickett, 522 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 3: so you think it's not going to be him, They 523 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:55,320 Speaker 3: moved down to the rookies. Dylan Gabriel, let's be honest, 524 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 3: whether you think he's worth it or not, was drafted 525 00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: two rounds ahead of Sanders, which means, if we do 526 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 3: prostive elimination, should do Sanders be number four in the 527 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 3: depth chart? Should do Sanders be the guy who's price 528 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 3: caught a quarterback? Which means he would be eligible to 529 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 3: be claimed off of waivers by any other team in 530 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:16,399 Speaker 3: the NFL? So dumba start with you here, what is 531 00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,720 Speaker 3: the plan in Cleveland? 532 00:25:19,040 --> 00:25:22,440 Speaker 5: They ain't got a plan once They just started drafting quarterbacks. 533 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:23,719 Speaker 5: And acting like they were Oprah. 534 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:25,520 Speaker 4: We got a quarterback. We got a quarterback. They got 535 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 4: all the quarterbacks. 536 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 5: That's when you know they don't have a plan because 537 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 5: you bring in Joe Flacco. Typically you bring in somebody 538 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 5: like that, it's to have him in the background. Like 539 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,440 Speaker 5: we have a great uh Russell Wilson with Justin Fields. 540 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 5: We've got a guy who's been the super Bowl winner. 541 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 5: We got him in the you know, we can break 542 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 5: in case of emergency. We've been to the playoffs with him. 543 00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 2: Good. 544 00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:45,600 Speaker 5: He's in the background. We have that safety valve if 545 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 5: you will, or if you go and you trade, as 546 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 5: we mentioned, to get Kenny Pickts. You say, Kenny Picket's 547 00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:51,400 Speaker 5: our guy. Let's roll. We read it to roll. 548 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 4: Dude. They bringing in Vets who might start ahead. 549 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 5: No, we trade for Kenny pick Okay, wait, we're gonna 550 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 5: go get Dylan Gabriel. Wait, no, we're gonna get your door. 551 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 5: I don't think they know what they want to do. 552 00:26:02,320 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 5: And what makes it interesting to me while I still 553 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 5: don't believe because if you continue to read the reports, 554 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 5: there's also reports owing by the way, Shador actually probably 555 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,119 Speaker 5: could be the third quarterback in If you keep reading 556 00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 5: all the reports. The reason I'm questioning this is what 557 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:19,200 Speaker 5: was the goal of bringing Shador in if you knew 558 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: you only wanted to carry three? Also, why is he 559 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 5: the guy that seems to be out when by all 560 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:27,960 Speaker 5: accounts what we've heard, everything that has been asked of him, 561 00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 5: he's done. He's obviously he was more highly regarded than 562 00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,040 Speaker 5: Dylan Gabriel. We all know that that's not even refutable 563 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 5: and coming out, but because of allegedly he interviewed wrong. Whatever, 564 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 5: that's fine, but you draft him for everything he's been 565 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 5: asked to do as far as on the field so far, 566 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,120 Speaker 5: they'll get into training camp tomorrow. He's done well at 567 00:26:47,480 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 5: And so to me, where's the other side and where's 568 00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 5: Dylan Gabriel. 569 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 4: We ain't heard nothing about Dylan Gabriel. Nobody's coming out 570 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 4: raving about him. No teammates are coming out Raby like, 571 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,440 Speaker 4: we haven't heard much. And so to me, why what 572 00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 4: makes him better now? Rob? 573 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 5: If he was a first round draft pick, we know 574 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 5: how this goes this business. I don't care if he 575 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 5: was throwing four interceptions, He's gonna stick around. He was 576 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:09,640 Speaker 5: our first round draft pick. If he was a second 577 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,000 Speaker 5: round draft pick, I could still understand that a third 578 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,679 Speaker 5: round draft pick that was already a reach to me 579 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 5: makes it confusing on why he's just automatically or at 580 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,320 Speaker 5: least presumed to automatically be the guy. I still think 581 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 5: they got training camp to go through. You don't buy 582 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:27,399 Speaker 5: too much into OTAs. This is where it really starts 583 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 5: for all of them starting tomorrow. And I still think 584 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 5: Shaduor has to say in all of this. 585 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 1: Here's my issue. You say you don't know what they're doing. 586 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: What they're doing is not allowing Shaduor to get first 587 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: team snaps where he is on the depth chart, and 588 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,120 Speaker 1: this idea that they have some sort of secret plan 589 00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:50,400 Speaker 1: and they just want to hold Shador down is ridiculous. 590 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 1: If there was any place that should do or should 591 00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: have excelled and had a real chance, it's Cleveland because 592 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,080 Speaker 1: they haven't a quarterback, you know what I mean. And 593 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 1: they went to try to get you Watson, Deshan Watson, 594 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: and that didn't work out, so they're actually looking for 595 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:14,720 Speaker 1: a quarterback. Like if you're the Browns and you. 596 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 4: Really believe that they you've lucked out. 597 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 1: And you got this guy in the fifth round, and 598 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: this guy can can change things for you, you would 599 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,840 Speaker 1: be apt to do it. So this is why people 600 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 1: Why can't people buy into the idea that maybe he 601 00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: isn't as advertised, because if he was, everything points to 602 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 1: that he should be the guy. Right, Kenny Pikett hasn't 603 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: done that much. Joe Flatt goes old Dylan, who's in 604 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,600 Speaker 1: front of him. The idea that he's behind those three 605 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:54,520 Speaker 1: guys has to tell you something. Nobody nobody. It's just 606 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:58,720 Speaker 1: like the Tom Brady thing. That's your mentor, that's the 607 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:01,040 Speaker 1: guy who you worked out where. That's the guy who 608 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,800 Speaker 1: saw your your heart and your desire and what you 609 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: got in. He knows your dad, he knows what DNA 610 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,720 Speaker 1: you come from. And they had multiple picks where Tom 611 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:13,320 Speaker 1: Brady could have been the smart guy in. 612 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 4: The room and said here's our quarterback of the future. 613 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,840 Speaker 4: Door nothing. 614 00:29:18,560 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: You can't keep looking at everybody and saying they're all wrong. 615 00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,760 Speaker 1: There's something here that tells you that Shador is not 616 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: the guy for them. 617 00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 4: And because there's just too much. 618 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,080 Speaker 5: But that's the thing that confuses me, is what is 619 00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 5: the thing By all accounts, we've set up here for 620 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 5: the last about a month or so after the draft 621 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:39,080 Speaker 5: and then you start to have conversations. What we hear 622 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:41,320 Speaker 5: from the GM Rob g oh Man, he looks great. 623 00:29:41,360 --> 00:29:45,360 Speaker 5: I can't lie. He looks really good. The only people 624 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 5: he can look thro right now. And he looked great 625 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,320 Speaker 5: in college to the tune of the Best completely. 626 00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 4: They be one ranked team the whole time when they 627 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 4: played I'm. 628 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 5: Dude, dude battled with CAYLEB Williams, who wind up being 629 00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:00,719 Speaker 5: the number one pick. I'll do it him and went 630 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:02,520 Speaker 5: back and forth. Dude comes to a team that went 631 00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 5: one game and they go to six, and they go to 632 00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 5: Wizard nine. My whole point is he's done what he 633 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 5: was supposed to do on a terrible offenser life. He 634 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 5: had me and you, Alex and Robb g blocking for 635 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:13,360 Speaker 5: him and Steve blocking for him, and he was still 636 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 5: putting up crazy numbers, the highest completion percentage. So again, 637 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 5: he's not Peyton Manning. No, He's not Andrew Luck No. 638 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 5: But to their point of nobody in front of him 639 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 5: jumps out. I'm like, why is this the guy that 640 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,720 Speaker 5: would then be the eye man out? By all accounts, 641 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,280 Speaker 5: other teammates have come out. Man, he looks good out there, man, 642 00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 5: he looks he looks like he's got it. So I'm 643 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 5: just saying, Rob, what am I missing that all of 644 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 5: a sudden, Let's unless we come to find out he 645 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 5: has a he's just a rotten person. 646 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 4: But everybody who it doesn't have to be rotten. It's 647 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 4: when you look at your pecking. 648 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:49,000 Speaker 5: Order, and pecking order ain't that ain't But that ain't 649 00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 5: a pecking order to be worried. 650 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:52,560 Speaker 1: But I just I just think that at some point 651 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: you have to come to terms that that maybe he's 652 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 1: just not the quarterback that you thought. There's a reason 653 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,880 Speaker 1: that the Steelers or other teams that were looking could 654 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 1: have easily picked him earlier if they really believed that. 655 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,080 Speaker 1: I don't believe that anybody passed him over just to 656 00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 1: pass them over. 657 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,959 Speaker 5: And I don't believe that just had We just had 658 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 5: Joel Corey on and he brought up a great point 659 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 5: that I've been saying sometimes in these leagues, especially when 660 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 5: it's not an obvious the Peyton manning Cam Newton, somebody 661 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:24,880 Speaker 5: coming out was like, oh, shoot, he's clear number one. 662 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 5: Where you go, shoot, what's wrong? Are we missing something? 663 00:31:27,920 --> 00:31:29,680 Speaker 5: I was, shoot, I was gonna get him, But maybe 664 00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 5: we are something going on. Maybe we don't know that 665 00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 5: that's them. That's dumb scouting. 666 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: You don't care what other people do, what other people do, 667 00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:42,480 Speaker 1: and did you do your due diligence? They had two 668 00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,920 Speaker 1: picks in the second round to get him to the 669 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,200 Speaker 1: only reason after them was because the owner showed up. 670 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,680 Speaker 1: You go look at the field, go look at the video. 671 00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: The coach and the GM were like, so what they. 672 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,400 Speaker 4: Did not want to draft? What due diligence did they do? 673 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 5: They were off the way and say, Dylan Gabriel's that guy. 674 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:06,880 Speaker 5: Everybody had should do it a better report card than him. 675 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 4: Everybody didn't because obviously. 676 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,240 Speaker 1: People had him, but there were other people that needed 677 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:17,360 Speaker 1: a quarterback and none of them pick. It was one 678 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: team that just didn't want them. There were other teams 679 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: that had we were talking about and including the Raiders. 680 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 4: Though. 681 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,480 Speaker 1: The Raiders are the ones that I think, what what 682 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:28,440 Speaker 1: quarterback do they have that they've been. 683 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 5: Looking at Smithers their quarterback long term though, is what 684 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 5: I'm saying. 685 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,479 Speaker 4: They've been dying all the Browns quarterbacks put together. 686 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 1: I'm sorry if you really believe that Tom Brady went 687 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: in there and told those guys, Dude, I work out 688 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:47,240 Speaker 1: with this guy. He's he's my mentee. I'm put my 689 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: reputation in my name on the line. 690 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 4: Draft this guy. He's going to be our quarterback of 691 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 4: the future. 692 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,240 Speaker 5: He come on, man, I don't buy Training camp starts 693 00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 5: tomorrow and all of them have a chance because to me, 694 00:32:58,360 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 5: it's open for every last one. 695 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 4: He's gonna be so honest. No, I'm not saying that 696 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 4: I think Joe Flaco was the leader, because Joe Flacco's leader. 697 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 5: He's literally been with the team already and he's won 698 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 5: a playoff game, so he's the leading candidate. But what 699 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,520 Speaker 5: I'm saying is they're not a single person outside of 700 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,200 Speaker 5: the report or rapport that Joe Flacco has where you 701 00:33:15,280 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 5: go always clearly his because Kenny Pikett ain't never shown 702 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 5: us much. And then again Dylan Gabriel, we ain't heard 703 00:33:22,760 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 5: nothing from him. And if you're if you're should do 704 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 5: it again, this is your chance to make a name, 705 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,160 Speaker 5: because this is the opportunity. 706 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:31,240 Speaker 4: None of them are whowing. 707 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 5: We're not walking into a Russell Wilson killing it situation. 708 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:35,280 Speaker 4: You go create that