1 00:00:00,360 --> 00:00:00,679 Speaker 1: Ladies. 2 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 2: And you want experience during your football season, Well, buckle up, 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 2: sweet cheeks. We've got all the experience in the world. 4 00:00:12,440 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 3: This is I want your flex with Dan Bayer and 5 00:00:16,400 --> 00:00:17,079 Speaker 3: Mike Harmon. 6 00:00:17,239 --> 00:00:20,280 Speaker 2: Mike and Dan break down everything you need to set 7 00:00:20,360 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: your lineups, from position rankings to starts and sits. The 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 2: guys help you make those hard decisions. And now let's 9 00:00:28,600 --> 00:00:32,680 Speaker 2: get your flex sod. Here's Dan Bayer and Mike Harmon. 10 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:35,839 Speaker 1: Well, that's a wrap on the regular season. Mike Harmon 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: will grade the overall two seventy two is at Mike Many. Yeah, 12 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 1: it's gonna ask all in the books. We'll take a 13 00:00:42,360 --> 00:00:44,360 Speaker 1: look back at what happened in week eighteen, plus take 14 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,120 Speaker 1: a look at the wild Karpuken. Get Mike on X 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: at Swollen Dome. You can find me at Dan Byer 16 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,199 Speaker 1: on Fox both on Blue Sky as well. He's at 17 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: Mike Harmon. I'm at Dan Bayer beat Yere and our 18 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: executive producer is Ian Roddy, who is both on X 19 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: and now on Blue Sky new for twenty twenty five. 20 00:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: Ian Roddy Underscore and on X and what is the 21 00:01:05,560 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: It's Ian dash Roddy on Blue Sky Correct I have 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,920 Speaker 1: to get those cymbals correctly. We couldn't get Ian in 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:13,039 Speaker 1: on the ground floor enough to just get Ian roddy. 24 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: So it's Ian dash Roddy on blue sky. That's where 25 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: you can reach us via social butt Mike. As a 26 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: whole of the two seventy two, are we giving this 27 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: regular season a grade? Fewest interceptions thrown in a season 28 00:01:25,360 --> 00:01:28,240 Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty two? As we look back at this 29 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 1: thing as a whole, how do we look back at 30 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four NFL regular. 31 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 3: I'd grabbed the meme for quarterbacks first, it would just 32 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 3: be Malkovich from rounders check check check. That's all we 33 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 3: did in Chicago. I mean that was Caleb Williams. And 34 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 3: how far downfield was that? Three yards behind the line 35 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: of scrimmage? Okay, cool? So you know, when you have 36 00:01:50,640 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: few interceptions, see, I'm going glass half empty when it 37 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 3: comes to that, it means we're not taking shots downfield. Sure, 38 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:00,000 Speaker 3: right that we're doing a lot of at the line 39 00:02:00,200 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 3: of scrimmage, quick screens, quick outs, effective plays, don't get 40 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,120 Speaker 3: me wrong, But we're also not pushing for explosive plays. 41 00:02:08,160 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 3: We're playing cautiously and part of that goes back to 42 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: the conversation we had all year about the fifty yard 43 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 3: let's bomb it in kickers, right, it's not Sebastian Janakowski 44 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 3: Stephen Goskowski anymore. Seemingly everybody could, including at the end 45 00:02:22,840 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 3: of the year Justin Tucker. After costing Lamar Jackson the MVP, 46 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 3: he suddenly got his range back. But all of that 47 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:32,440 Speaker 3: to say, you know, I give it a nice B 48 00:02:32,600 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 3: minus maybe C plus for a season as a whole, 49 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:39,960 Speaker 3: because we do have just such a disparate path here. 50 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 3: He've got a couple of really good teams, or we 51 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 3: think are really good, and then everybody, how many teams 52 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: do we still in week sixteen, Week seventeen, Week eighteens, 53 00:02:49,520 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 3: just that astisk thing Dan and Ian. But week sixteen, 54 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,240 Speaker 3: week seventeen, I think, all right, how would you how 55 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 3: would you call out the identity of this team? I 56 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 3: don't know, they're not very good? No, no, what's the identity 57 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:04,760 Speaker 3: of the team beyond not being very good? And there 58 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:07,120 Speaker 3: were plenty of those teams that we had, and then 59 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,799 Speaker 3: you have obviously a race to the bottom where one 60 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 3: win changed just six or seven draft slots. I mean, 61 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 3: that's how bad it got. It and crowded at the bottom. 62 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:20,480 Speaker 3: So for me that disappointment. As much as everybody's bemoaning 63 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 3: the product of the NBA NFL, I've got my hand 64 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:28,839 Speaker 3: up as well. Bad management, bad ownership, constantly cycling through 65 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 3: front office people. The Chickens came home to roost a 66 00:03:31,880 --> 00:03:33,079 Speaker 3: bid here in twenty twenty four. 67 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 1: I believe the Chiefs a little bit for the down 68 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: year just because of how good they were. Of course 69 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,520 Speaker 1: they mail in week eighteen, and we'll get to some 70 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: of that in a second, but also they had the 71 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: best record in the NFL. They were in a conference 72 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: where honestly, we knew the playoff teams were a good 73 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 1: month before the playoffs actually wrapped out wrapped actually the 74 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 1: field was actually set because the Broncos and the Chargers 75 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:00,839 Speaker 1: had such a lead over everybody else, and a couple 76 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:02,360 Speaker 1: of losses at the end of the year made it 77 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: close for the Broncos, So there was something to play 78 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 1: for in Week eighteam, but in the end it obviously 79 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: didn't matter. But also when you have the league's best team, 80 00:04:09,880 --> 00:04:12,800 Speaker 1: or at least via record wise, they're playing close games, 81 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: but not much as changing. You didn't have a lot 82 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: of voluing for server back and forth in the AFC 83 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 1: and in the NFC. Sure, it went down to the 84 00:04:20,880 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 1: wire with the Lions and Vikings, and it was a 85 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:28,479 Speaker 1: bit exciting there, but I'm not even sure if we 86 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: get a full sense of the NFC considering some of 87 00:04:30,880 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 1: Detroit's injuries, Jalen Hurts ends up getting digged up the 88 00:04:34,480 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: three and four seed, end up flipping on the on 89 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: the last week. It was just kind of kind of 90 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: weird with the NFC, even there was even though there 91 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,919 Speaker 1: was a lot to play for in Week eighteen, in 92 00:04:43,960 --> 00:04:46,320 Speaker 1: that final game of the year between the Vikings and Lions, 93 00:04:46,360 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: I would I would give you the C plus. I 94 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 1: think that you're pretty fair in that assessment. Saquon. Great 95 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: year and whatnot, but there just wasn't a lot of 96 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:57,880 Speaker 1: drama week in and week out about what could be 97 00:04:57,960 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 1: at stake, and I think that was disappointing. 98 00:05:00,080 --> 00:05:03,280 Speaker 3: Still mildly disappointed he'd ended up not playing. I was 99 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 3: kind of hoping there'd be the last minute. You know what, 100 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 3: there's enough ground swell of love and support and positivity 101 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:12,040 Speaker 3: and everybody wants to get this record, so we go 102 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 3: get it instead. No, to your point about the injuries. 103 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: I mean ad Jordan Love's injury coming forward z A 104 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,839 Speaker 3: Flowers for Baltimore on the other side of the equation 105 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,320 Speaker 3: there in the AFC, but you know, the Rams pretty 106 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 3: much sid everybody was good to see Jimmy Garoppolo out 107 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:28,880 Speaker 3: there slinging it once again. That's all fine and good. 108 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 3: You lost an offensive coordinator on Monday, Maybe you're okay 109 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:35,680 Speaker 3: with that. 110 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't want to be too negative on it, 111 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 1: but I just felt like a change probably needed to 112 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,119 Speaker 1: be made and there was just no consistency in the 113 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: Seattle offense. The the the naysayers will will point to that, 114 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,240 Speaker 1: those that say Grubs should have stuck around for another year, 115 00:05:54,279 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: point to like jsn's numbers and what Gino did in 116 00:05:57,640 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: the last game, but they're just there was never a 117 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:02,320 Speaker 1: constant flow of anything, and some of that may be 118 00:06:02,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: due to personnel. But not shocked that Ryan Grub's gone. 119 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 3: The fact that Walker wasn't available for a good stretch 120 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 3: of things, but you know, hey, what are you gonna do? 121 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:13,680 Speaker 3: And he may have wanted out right, we don't know 122 00:06:13,760 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 3: all the details and whatever else maybe and I am 123 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:20,599 Speaker 3: going back to college or something. I don't know, but 124 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 3: all of that to say, you know, on the AFC 125 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 3: side of things, you know, the Chiefs won, but they 126 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 3: didn't do anything that was sexy right as a workman, 127 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: like fifteen to two, marveling that they were able to 128 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 3: win all those games close, Conspiracy theories abound, all of 129 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:42,560 Speaker 3: those things. Buffalo, Baltimore. We had Derrick Henry, We talked 130 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:46,320 Speaker 3: about him for a while, but it was about the quarterbacks, right, 131 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 3: Even Josh Allen putting up huge numbers, wasn't anybody in 132 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,919 Speaker 3: particular that you're like, wow, you know, you know that 133 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,359 Speaker 3: was his number one guy. We're nerds, we're going fantasy wise. 134 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:59,440 Speaker 3: So Shakir's efficiency in some of the big games, maybe 135 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,000 Speaker 3: James cad here and there makes sense, But it was 136 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,760 Speaker 3: all about the quarterbacks, maybe more so this year. And 137 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 3: it's always about the quarterbacks, but it always it seemed 138 00:07:07,920 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 3: like the majority of conversation go all the way down 139 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 3: to the sixth seed, the Steelers, other than mocking whatever 140 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 3: George Pickens was shouting at windmills or fighting with fans 141 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 3: about next, we celebrated Bo Nicks. The Chargers, I guess 142 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: was about about the coach instead of the team itself. 143 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: So yeah, just an interest to end Houston wins because 144 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 3: everybody else in the division sucked. 145 00:07:33,520 --> 00:07:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, you mentioned just and what we've seen there. 146 00:07:37,280 --> 00:07:41,920 Speaker 1: Buffalo clinched on December first. They clinched the AFC East 147 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: on December first. We had an entire month of football 148 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,760 Speaker 1: and there was really little drama in what they had 149 00:07:47,760 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: to deal with. The drama, like you mentioned Baltimore, the 150 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 1: drama was more about the Pittsburgh Steelers falling flat on 151 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:53,520 Speaker 1: their face. 152 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:56,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, the final month of the season, step up in class, and. 153 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Houston hasn't really been good. The US win the 154 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,720 Speaker 1: AFC South by default, but we don't expect much from them. 155 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: There just wasn't a lot of greatness that we could follow. 156 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 1: I think we're mostly following on just the downfall of stuff. 157 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:15,560 Speaker 1: But again, doesn't matter. We've got the field of fourteen. 158 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 1: My Seahawks the only double digit win team to not 159 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: make the postseason. As crazy as that is, Ted and seven. 160 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: I would have taken it at the beginning of the year, 161 00:08:23,920 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 1: no doubt, and I would have thought that automatic playoff 162 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: birth but did not happen. 163 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 3: So they're on the outside, which lost you hate most 164 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 3: now that you look back at it. 165 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: The Giants. One is the one that stands out the 166 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:40,679 Speaker 1: most because of how poorly they played, and they still 167 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to maybe escape to maybe because they 168 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: were going for that game tying field goal and then 169 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 1: they ended up Isaiah Simmons jumped the line of scrimmage 170 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: and ended up getting the block. But that's the that's 171 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,760 Speaker 1: the one that kind of sticks. You know, they lost 172 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: to the Rams in overtime in their first meeting. That's one, 173 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,320 Speaker 1: but it's the you just can't lose to the you 174 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 1: can't lose to the Giants. Giants won three games this year, 175 00:09:05,920 --> 00:09:08,080 Speaker 1: so that happened to be one of them, and that 176 00:09:08,200 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 1: ends up costing them. But it was It's funny, Mike, 177 00:09:10,640 --> 00:09:16,960 Speaker 1: because it's the strength of victory tiebreaker that got them right. 178 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: So there were probably about five other games that I 179 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: wish they would have gone a different way, you know, 180 00:09:22,400 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: that maybe could have set those dominoes in, you know, 181 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: in order to make it work. But they're a pretty 182 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,680 Speaker 1: even team, the Seahawks this year. There, you know, the 183 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,439 Speaker 1: four and against they were plus seven. They scored eight 184 00:09:36,480 --> 00:09:39,120 Speaker 1: more points than the Rams and they you know, allowed 185 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: about twenty about eighteen points less than them Rams. Actually 186 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,559 Speaker 1: they allowed more points than they actually scored this year, 187 00:09:45,559 --> 00:09:46,719 Speaker 1: but they turned it on at the end. 188 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. I was chuckling on the other side, right, because 189 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 3: the last couple of weeks have been all about everybody 190 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:56,040 Speaker 3: cheerleading Joe Burrow in the in the Bengals forgetting about 191 00:09:56,040 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: how horribly they started the season, especially that loss into 192 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:00,800 Speaker 3: New England. 193 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:01,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 194 00:10:01,880 --> 00:10:05,200 Speaker 3: Right, but all in outside of the lost to New England, 195 00:10:05,760 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 3: every other loss was to a playoff team. 196 00:10:09,200 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. The past interference on Cam Taylor Britain week two. Yeah, 197 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,080 Speaker 1: you know, like such a such a big call in 198 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 1: your point, And I heard somebody say, like, you know, Joe, 199 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 1: I think Todd Furman responded to a tweet. I know 200 00:10:22,360 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 1: you have Todd on with you guys. I think you 201 00:10:25,200 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: know every Friday night, just talking stuff. And somebody made 202 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: the point of like Joe Burrow coming from behind. I don't. 203 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 1: I don't remember them like being behind. I just remember 204 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: them always having to score like that Commander's game. It 205 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,080 Speaker 1: was just back and forth, back and forth. And I 206 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: remember that because that's what ousted me in my uh 207 00:10:43,240 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 1: Survivor pool three weeks in. Everybody was getting you know, 208 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,760 Speaker 1: murdered in those in those games, but yeah, one point 209 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: loss to the Ravens, you know, touchdown loss to the Chargers. Yeah, 210 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 1: it's it's a tough schedule. They just didn't cash in. 211 00:10:57,800 --> 00:10:59,959 Speaker 1: And that Patriots game in Week one is probably the 212 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:02,240 Speaker 1: one that you know kills them the most. 213 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:05,079 Speaker 3: It gets you. You have a shootout loss to Washington 214 00:11:05,160 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 3: and you get blown out by Philadelphia, close loss to Baltimore. 215 00:11:10,400 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 3: All we're high scoring, no question about it. 216 00:11:14,080 --> 00:11:16,880 Speaker 1: The one in Baltimore on the no calls, you know 217 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: at the at the goal line, the share player where 218 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,959 Speaker 1: you could have called three of them. You're sitting there 219 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 1: scratching your head of what could have been. 220 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:27,120 Speaker 3: So it's the fun and excitement of refereeing in twenty 221 00:11:27,160 --> 00:11:29,520 Speaker 3: twenty four. Ian, anything stand out for you? Yeah? 222 00:11:30,360 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 4: Can I read you guys' stat here that I saw 223 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:37,560 Speaker 4: this morning. So the fact that the Bengals have Joe Burrow, 224 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 4: who's leading the league in passing, they have Jamar Chase 225 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: who's leading the league in receiving, and they have Trey 226 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 4: Hendrickson who's leading the league in sacks, and they just 227 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 4: barely made the playoffs. It just feels like there's something 228 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 4: wrong there. I don't know if that's like an indicator 229 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 4: that Zach Taylor maybe isn't that great of a coach. 230 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: Or what well you did struggle in late game situations. 231 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 3: But I asked both of you. I mean, that's my 232 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 3: lamentation and frustration watching all football is the final two 233 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 3: to three minutes of halves at certainly end of game 234 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 3: situations where you're just like, what are we doing? Like 235 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 3: just as a as a staff, like in theory, you 236 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:19,640 Speaker 3: practice these situations right time out management, timeout usage. Forget 237 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 3: about the stupidity of Minnesota deciding, you know what, we're 238 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: gonna go for it on fourth down in the red 239 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 3: zone in the first quarter because damn it, we have 240 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,760 Speaker 3: to no take the point, you mopes. But all that, 241 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 3: all that to say, like that, that's the thing that's 242 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 3: the most frustrating of watching it is like seemingly obvious, 243 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 3: Like I'm an idiot on the couch, and maybe I'm 244 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,960 Speaker 3: not there's something in the calculations I'm missing here, but 245 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 3: sometimes it just seems so obvious. And Taylor was victim 246 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:49,120 Speaker 3: of that number of times. To your point, Dan, yeah, 247 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 3: there were some circumstances and some refereeing and and you know, 248 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 3: seemingly obvious calls that were weren't made, but putting those 249 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:02,320 Speaker 3: aside for the moment just in terms of that, and 250 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: maybe I'm speaking as the frustrated Bears guy having watched 251 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 3: it week after week of just pulling your hair out, 252 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 3: or go back to some of the end of the 253 00:13:11,559 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 3: end of season situations by would be playoff teams where 254 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 3: they did it right Atlanta in that very huge spot 255 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 3: and letting clock run in confusion. Look at what Russell 256 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 3: Wilson did in week eighteen, what he tried to run. Yeah, 257 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 3: it's weird how common it is. 258 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the timeouts and the Bills Rams game was 259 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: sure an exact scenario that we saw with the Browns 260 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,640 Speaker 1: and Raiders earlier on the season. In that game, you know, 261 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,120 Speaker 1: ends up getting the Raiders of Victoria. I'm sure the 262 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: Browns fans are not happy that they messed it up 263 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: because they get the second overall, right, But at the time, 264 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's just of yeah, of what you're using 265 00:13:51,240 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: timeouts for. I do think that Zach Taylor gets this 266 00:13:55,600 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: inordinate amount of snark because I feel that people just 267 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: think that Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase could just do 268 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: it by themselves. But as we saw Mike if you 269 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: don't have players on defense, and they really don't outside 270 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: of you know, ian stat of Trey Hendrickson. Like they've 271 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:15,640 Speaker 1: lost a lot from the Super Bowl teams, you know, 272 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: from the Super Bowl team from a few years ago, 273 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: and it just wasn't there. And Anna Rumo was interviewing 274 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: for ad coaching jobs. Now he's looking for a job. 275 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: It's crazy. And how how things can change in the 276 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 1: NFL just in a couple of seasons. 277 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 3: Well always goes back to my favorite story coming out 278 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:32,480 Speaker 3: of that Super Bowl that I've told a million times, 279 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,400 Speaker 3: the assumption that the era of dominance was going to 280 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 3: be there, no matter how good Burrow is and Chase 281 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 3: is and Hendrickson's fantastic, doesn't the ball doesn't bounce your way, 282 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 3: the calls don't go your way. And in a division 283 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 3: like that, you're lucky. Cleveland's still a train wreck. Yeah, right, 284 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,480 Speaker 3: if they were halfway competent, guess what, you'd have a 285 00:14:54,520 --> 00:14:57,440 Speaker 3: fourth team that was a pain in the ass because 286 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:01,560 Speaker 3: Baltimore and Pittsburgh may not win anything substantive, but damn it, 287 00:15:01,600 --> 00:15:03,280 Speaker 3: they're gonna be five hundred every year. 288 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: Well in Cleveland may have gotten more good news is 289 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson then a set back with his Achilles injury, 290 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: so who knows the availability it's gonna. 291 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 3: Be next, So so let's go Yeah, I saw that. 292 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 3: That note just shook my head. Go really yeah, really 293 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: this is where this is the Hey, I'm getting all 294 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:21,440 Speaker 3: my money? 295 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, just maybe they just did that in the rehab. 296 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: They messed something up so it wouldn't be around. I'm 297 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:29,760 Speaker 1: only kidding, I'm only kidds. 298 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 3: Just insane though. Right the day, let's let's do our 299 00:15:32,400 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: exit interviews about the season that was. Oh, by the way, 300 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 3: DeShawn had a setback. 301 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 1: Wait what and they said they found it. They found 302 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:45,680 Speaker 1: out this morning or Monday morning. So we're taping this 303 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: late Monday into early Tuesday. But Monday morning they found 304 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: out about it and they'll find out more information. We 305 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: do know that achilles injuries are quicker to return, but 306 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: still who knows what's going to happen with one Deshaun Watts. Yeah, 307 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: we're going to take a time out. I've got some 308 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: quarterbacking numbers that I want to pass along to you guys. Plus, 309 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 1: there are now five vacancies in the NFL, and Mike 310 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:10,880 Speaker 1: your bears apparently maybe are trying to make it six. 311 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what they're trying to do with Mike McCarthy. 312 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: We'll talk about it next. He's Mike Carmen. I'm Dan 313 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 1: Byer Ian Roddy hanging out as well. This is I 314 00:16:18,520 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: want your Flex Welcome back. He's Mike Carmen. I'm Dan Bayer. 315 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: That's Ian Roddy, our executive producer. I want to run 316 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: a couple of numbers by you guys that I saw 317 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 1: in this Twitter thread from a rich Rebar. I believe 318 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: that's how you pronounce it. It's Hribar, who does stuff 319 00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: for Sharp Football and just made a list of a 320 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: thread of about twenty or so quarterback stats that were 321 00:16:47,280 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 1: just amazing, both in good and bad ways. The first 322 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,680 Speaker 1: one Anthony Richardson of the Colts, who the cults say 323 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: the athletic is saying that team sources are saying Anthony 324 00:16:57,240 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: Richardson is planning to be the starter in twenty twenty five. 325 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:03,600 Speaker 1: But Anthony Richardson completed sixty point three percent of his 326 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: passes on throws under ten yards downfield. It's the lowest 327 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: rate since twenty seventeen by a quarterback, but it passes 328 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: under ten yards only six of ten for Anthony Richardson. 329 00:17:19,119 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: That's not the total, but sixty percent. Basically, that's not good. Wow, yeah, 330 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 1: that's not good at all. How about how about this one? 331 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,080 Speaker 1: Jared Goff had a league high twenty two passing touchdowns 332 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: on throws that were not thrown into the end zone 333 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:35,080 Speaker 1: and run in by the pass catcher. 334 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,920 Speaker 3: Wow, yack for days? Yes, how about that? 335 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,639 Speaker 1: Thank you very much, Jamiir Gibbs and everyone else JMO 336 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: and yeah yeah. Tyler Murray had seven passing conversions on 337 00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: third and long needing seven or more. 338 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 3: They only kept seven. 339 00:17:53,119 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: Seven first downs on third and seven or more? 340 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,959 Speaker 3: Holy? What was that sample size they get? 341 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,879 Speaker 1: Well, seventeen games entire season. 342 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 3: Oh, I meant just in terms of actual throws all 343 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: that would be sure. 344 00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 1: We'll put it this may be put it in perspective 345 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: from the tweet. Michael Pennix also had seven in his 346 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 1: three starts. Dak Prescott also had seven in his eight 347 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 1: and it was one more than Deshaun Watson, who we 348 00:18:19,880 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 1: were just talking about it had in his seven starts. 349 00:18:24,280 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 3: That makes my head hurt. 350 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: Right. Baker Mayfield through a league high twenty seven passing 351 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: touchdowns within two and a half seconds of the snap 352 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 1: when he threw it within two and a half seconds. 353 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:41,560 Speaker 1: Twenty seven touchdowns, three interceptions, seventy seven point eight percent 354 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 1: completion right, so when he gets it out, he's getting 355 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: it out in its open. It's there. And my final, 356 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: my final favorite stat, Will Levis through a league high 357 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 1: fifteen passes that traveled forty or more air yards. He 358 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 1: completed two of them with three interceptions. 359 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 3: So so three completions, yeah, and harmlessly to the ground. 360 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:09,160 Speaker 3: I knew. 361 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 4: I knew the Will Webbs one just wasn't going to 362 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 4: be a positive. 363 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 3: I kinda sat up in my chair here going, oh boy, 364 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 3: where are we going with this man? They were traveling 365 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: back the other way for touchdowns. 366 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: I retweeted this thread, so if you go to Dan 367 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: Byer on Fox you can see it. But great draw 368 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,400 Speaker 1: a job by rich here to track all those numbers down, 369 00:19:31,520 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: because they do tell some great stories on what was 370 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: what in the National Football League this past year. But 371 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: the Kyler Murray one, I'll tell you know, Colin Coward 372 00:19:42,080 --> 00:19:44,800 Speaker 1: last year last week floated the idea of Murray maybe 373 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: being out of Arizona. I'd been thinking in my head 374 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,639 Speaker 1: as well over the last couple of weeks is is 375 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 1: this team capped out with Kyler Murray? Like how much 376 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,080 Speaker 1: how better can they be? And if they did get better, 377 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: Mike like, would Kyler Murray be the quarterback to be 378 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: able to navigate he gate a team that maybe doesn't 379 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: need the quarterback to do everything. I don't know, just's 380 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 1: just kind of entered my mind, and not after the 381 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: just after the throw against the Rams that went off 382 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 1: Trey McBride's helmet, But I just I don't know, I'm 383 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 1: still jury still out with me and Kyler Murray. 384 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 3: Wondering some of it. He got McBride right, one hundred catches, 385 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 3: Connor still doing his thing. In terms of the rest 386 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 3: of that receiving corps man Marvin Harrison Junior coming out 387 00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:33,879 Speaker 3: saying he was dealing with this massive injury and just 388 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:37,359 Speaker 3: played through it the whole year, Like, Okay, that makes 389 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,480 Speaker 3: a little more sense as to why he never looked 390 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 3: comfortable on the field, and you know you'd go series 391 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 3: without him seeing a target. Okay, quasi decoy at times, 392 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 3: but not really someone that they were going to be 393 00:20:49,359 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 3: able to depend on to go after the ball ten 394 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 3: times a game. So maybe there's a little bit of 395 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,239 Speaker 3: something there. Maybe I'm a Kyler Murray apologist. I don't know, 396 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 3: but certainly yeah, for that coaching staff, you wonder if 397 00:21:05,480 --> 00:21:12,440 Speaker 3: you've hit a point, right, twenty nineteen year seven, Yeah. 398 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, if it's twenty nineteen season, yeah, twenty twenty one, 399 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: twenty three, twenty four entering year seven. 400 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 3: So I mean you've got this long track record. I mean, 401 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 3: I guess it goes back to like we talk about 402 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 3: with coaches, which we'll get to in earnest here in 403 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 3: a minute, is what are you going into the marketplace 404 00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 3: to get? I guess is the larger thing? Right when 405 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:35,959 Speaker 3: we talk about the rookie class, you've got Sanders and 406 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 3: you've got Ward at the top, and then we can 407 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:42,199 Speaker 3: fight about everybody else. But there's such a divisive stance 408 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 3: on pretty much all of them. Right is this guy? Now? 409 00:21:45,560 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 3: That doesn't mean that they won't be drafted high. Right, 410 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:53,360 Speaker 3: The two are not necessarily together here, but the idea 411 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,360 Speaker 3: of all right, am I gonna find my next guy 412 00:21:55,480 --> 00:22:00,879 Speaker 3: in the twenty twenty five draft? Probably not free agency? 413 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,240 Speaker 3: Your three quote unquote best options as it stands right now, 414 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 3: one guy who's probably not getting out of town, and 415 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:14,280 Speaker 3: that's Sam Darnold, Aaron Rodgers, Kirk Cousins, Justin Fields, Justin 416 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 3: Field or Russell Wilson. Like, those are your options in 417 00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,520 Speaker 3: terms of guys that are gonna be made available. Maybe 418 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:26,359 Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo gets another bite in an apple. I don't know. 419 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 3: There might be one or two others. Milton, you're right, 420 00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 3: Joe Milton, Well, Robert Kraft, we may suck. We may 421 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,639 Speaker 3: have fired our coach. Man. I'm really sad I had 422 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 3: to fire our coach. But but we got two quarterbacks 423 00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:39,560 Speaker 3: look at us. And Milton was interesting. He was a 424 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 3: guy we actually talked about quite a bit. Smith and 425 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,560 Speaker 3: I heading into the season, wondering what he might be 426 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:49,359 Speaker 3: because he liked him and maybe show hyperbole, but talked 427 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 3: about him a lot more than he loved Drake May 428 00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 3: just from an overall overwhelmed over a ceiling kind of 429 00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:56,720 Speaker 3: thing of there's a. 430 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,200 Speaker 1: Lot of hype in the preseason. 431 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, people which people fall for Joe Milton at every 432 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,480 Speaker 4: level he's been at though, like in high school it 433 00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 4: was exactly like this. In college it was exactly like this, 434 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 4: Like he was going to be the next guy at Michigan. 435 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,560 Speaker 4: He transferred to Tennessee, he was going to be this 436 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,280 Speaker 4: insane talent. I just want to see it first, because 437 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,159 Speaker 4: I mean, obviously, I guess we kind of did see it, 438 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 4: but I don't know. 439 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:19,159 Speaker 3: Week eighteen. Well, but that's the thing. You're not going 440 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 3: to get along sample size right, and you have to 441 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: either trust what you had on tape, or trust whoever 442 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:30,520 Speaker 3: you're believing in the building that's doing the sales job 443 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:34,479 Speaker 3: to you, or the independent scout and analyst or whatever 444 00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 3: that that they're going to come through and decide that 445 00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 3: that could be a guy you put a future on. 446 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: I guess all of that was to say, what are 447 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 3: you finding that's better than Kyler Murray? Necessarily in the marketplace. 448 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: You're not going to But it's just the the I 449 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,639 Speaker 1: think the conversation is worth having. 450 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,280 Speaker 3: No, I agree, yeah, it's just the you know, trying 451 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 3: to process it and look at the dominoes that have 452 00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 3: to fall this. 453 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 1: This is gonna be Ian. I'm gonna put you on 454 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,120 Speaker 1: the spot. I'm sorry. This is this is meant not 455 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 1: meant to be dirty cool, It's not meant to make 456 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 1: you look silly or anything. I'm just trying to gauge 457 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 1: my own thing because I have Kyler Murray stats sitting 458 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: in front of me, and I was surprised when I 459 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: saw this. How many What's the most number of touchdowns 460 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: you think Kyler Murray is thrown for in this season 461 00:24:26,800 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: in his career, like in one season the most amount 462 00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: of touchdowns? 463 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:35,479 Speaker 4: Oh man, I'd probably guess, like he's been an MVP 464 00:24:35,680 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 4: candidate for stretches, but never a full season, So I 465 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:40,880 Speaker 4: don't know. I'd guess like twenty five. 466 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: Okay, it was twenty six, and I would have thought 467 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: there would have been like a thirty five or thirty 468 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,400 Speaker 1: three season, Russell Wilson had those types of seasons. 469 00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:54,520 Speaker 4: Had you not led me there, you know, I probably 470 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 4: would have guessed higher. I just assumed the reason you 471 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 4: were asking me the question, it was going to be low. 472 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,600 Speaker 1: Yeah in the maybe, so what about yardage wise? 473 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 3: Now, to be fair, he did run for eleven touchdowns 474 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: then yeah. 475 00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. And by the way, passing touchdowns the least impressive 476 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,240 Speaker 1: stat on or I think the stat that least translates 477 00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,160 Speaker 1: to how you actually play, right, you know, Like I mean, 478 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 1: it's just again, we just had this Jared goffstat of 479 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: the twenty two touchdown passes that he didn't even sure 480 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:28,479 Speaker 1: they weren't even thrown into the end zone. But yardage wise, 481 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:33,639 Speaker 1: most passing yards that he's had in the season, Joe Burrow, 482 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: by the way, had forty six is it forty nine 483 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: hundred this year? Yeah, Baker Mayfield forty five hundred, Jared 484 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,919 Speaker 1: Goff forty six hundred. What's the highest do you think 485 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,920 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray's had? Is it me again? 486 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 3: Yes? 487 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:51,639 Speaker 4: Oh, all right, I'll guess. Man, four thousand, I feel 488 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,080 Speaker 4: like is the benchmark. So I'm thinking it's lower than that. 489 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,119 Speaker 1: I'll say, like eight lower thirty nine seventy one. In 490 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 1: his second ear he only one year as he had 491 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: a passer rating over one hundred, and this year is 492 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:08,880 Speaker 1: coming off of a season way three twenty one touchdowns 493 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: and eleven interceptions and at a passer rating of ninety 494 00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: three and a half. And so yeah there, So you know, 495 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: to Mike's point about the rushing, it's not always going 496 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: to be there. And I actually think that we've seen 497 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: a little bit of a regression over the last couple 498 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: of years, maybe of from what we've seen, not what 499 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: he was the first he had five hundred and seventy 500 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: two yards this past year seventy eight carries. He ran 501 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,680 Speaker 1: it ninety three times and one hundred and thirty three 502 00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,439 Speaker 1: times in his first two years. I don't know, I 503 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: just I guess. You know, the passing numbers aren't great, 504 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 1: and Mike, it's totally fair to be like his rushing numbers. 505 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,040 Speaker 1: You know, will will make up for that. But at 506 00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 1: some point those rushing numbers aren't going to be there. 507 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: He's an undersized quarterback. And so I don't know. I 508 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,040 Speaker 1: just think Arizona's interesting. And and by the way, it 509 00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that Kyler Murray can't all of a sudden 510 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:04,679 Speaker 1: become that quarterback either. It's just going to be up 511 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,200 Speaker 1: to him and his track record of the quarterback that 512 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: he is in preparation hasn't always been on his side, 513 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: so he has an opportunity to at least change that narrative. 514 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:15,720 Speaker 3: That's tough, right, because we're having the conversation on the 515 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,639 Speaker 3: larger scale on Sam Darnold and what do we keep 516 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:23,360 Speaker 3: coming back to. He's only twenty seven, yeah, right, all 517 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 3: the many weary miles, all the stops, yep, and there's 518 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 3: Kyler Murray twenty seven was a dual sport athlete for 519 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 3: the longest time here you've had coaching changes, some curiosity 520 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 3: along the way. To your point about the rushing stuff, 521 00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 3: I mean, this was also the most games he'd played 522 00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 3: by a mile in years right, eight and twenty twenty three, 523 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,080 Speaker 3: eleven and twenty twenty two, fourteen, Going back to twenty 524 00:27:48,080 --> 00:27:52,600 Speaker 3: twenty one. In twenty twenty he played in sixteen, and 525 00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 3: his rookie year he played in sixteen. 526 00:27:54,560 --> 00:27:56,959 Speaker 1: So the ACL in twenty twenty two which cost him 527 00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,680 Speaker 1: the end, and then the beginning of twenty twenty. 528 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 3: Three, right, so to that end, right, a full year 529 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 3: removed from the injury, Like, trying to do all that 530 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 3: math as we're going forward, Is it the best ahead 531 00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,760 Speaker 3: as much as we can get back to a form 532 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 3: of Kyler Murray that looks like the rookie and second 533 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 3: year guy in twenty twenty five. Don't know, again, maybe wishing, wanting, hoping, 534 00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 3: because I'm always hopeful for one more quarterback to crack 535 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 3: that list of guys that we feel confident in. And again, 536 00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,479 Speaker 3: some of that goes back to Marvin Harrison Junior being healthy. 537 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 3: He still put up big numbers. Right for the year, 538 00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:37,280 Speaker 3: I mean, the aggregate was was pretty solid, Yeah, but 539 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 3: you didn't feel like it was one that made you know, 540 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 3: big explosive plays to the point where he was at 541 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,719 Speaker 3: the forefront of things and if you were banking on him, 542 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 3: and certainly for fantasy purposes, we stopped talking about him 543 00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 3: pretty much altogether after a while. 544 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, eight eighty five and eight touchdowns for Marvin Harrison 545 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: Junior and year number one, there wasn't, at least off 546 00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,840 Speaker 1: the top of my head the late game, you know 547 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 1: scenario in a lot of places where when you need catches, 548 00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:08,880 Speaker 1: you're going to Marvin Harrison Jinior. My mind may have 549 00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,040 Speaker 1: slipped me in if I apologize Cardinals fans, but eight 550 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,200 Speaker 1: eighty five was a little under what I thought, considering 551 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,479 Speaker 1: I took him second in my holdover league where we 552 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: only hold over two guys in a ten team league, 553 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: so was hoping for a little bit more. 554 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 3: He did best Dad's numbers. It is six, sixty four, 555 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 3: eight thirty six and eight. 556 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,560 Speaker 1: All right, okay, fair enough there. 557 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 3: And dad second year, yep, seventy three, eight sixty six 558 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,200 Speaker 3: and six. 559 00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 1: And then after that did he take off. 560 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 3: And then his third year he only played in twelve 561 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 3: games though fifty nine catches, seven to seventy six, seven 562 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: touchdowns and it was year four, nineteen ninety nine where 563 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,040 Speaker 3: things went insane. One hundred and fifteen had four straight 564 00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 3: years of one hundred catches after. 565 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,200 Speaker 1: That ninety eight draft Peyton Manning yep yep. 566 00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 3: Ninety eight season, everybody hated each other. Peyton Manning's throwing 567 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 3: a ton of interceptions. People forget that. They conveniently forget 568 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 3: how bad Manning was at time. 569 00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't think people do. I hear people talk about 570 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:08,680 Speaker 1: that year a lot and how bad that he was. 571 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 4: I remember it was brought up all the time when 572 00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 4: when Sam Darnold and Zach Wilson were young, it was 573 00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,320 Speaker 4: always like a cat show. 574 00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I know it can't with Trevor Lawrence right 575 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:22,120 Speaker 3: when you were talking the generational guy kind of expectation 576 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 3: with Peyton. And maybe it's my own bias of fixating 577 00:30:26,320 --> 00:30:29,320 Speaker 3: on what they did in the playoffs. Sure, after all 578 00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 3: those great regular seasons with an all star cast, because 579 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,400 Speaker 3: they had an all star cast, and then they do 580 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 3: the operation shutdown in Week sixteen, You're like, nah, I 581 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:41,160 Speaker 3: don't know that that works for you. 582 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: It shows, yeah, that there's no right way to do things. 583 00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: And that's my biggest takeaway from Week eighteen. Because the 584 00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 1: Rams end up dropping a spot, but at least they're healthy. 585 00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: Green Bay is not healthy, and they still dropped the 586 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 1: spot when it came to their wild card position. And 587 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: in losing to your Bears, and now the Commanders ended 588 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,680 Speaker 1: up getting that sixth seed. There's just so many different 589 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: ways of handling things. And Packers lose Christian Watson now 590 00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,400 Speaker 1: to a torn acl so he's done for not only 591 00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,680 Speaker 1: the playoffs, but who knows at the start of next season. 592 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: It's always curious to see how these teams end up 593 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,360 Speaker 1: handling Week eighteen. Heck of Kansas City team just completely 594 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: laid down, don't I don't think they did it to 595 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: keep the Bengals out of it? No, no, I agree. 596 00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: I don't think that. I think that they're only thinking 597 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,680 Speaker 1: about themselves and dealing with that. I think that they 598 00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,880 Speaker 1: would feel confident that they could beat Cincinnati if Cincinnati 599 00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: pulled an upset against Buffalo and ended up having to 600 00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 1: go to Kansas City. I don't think that there's anything 601 00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: I don't think the Chiefs are even thinking that far ahead. 602 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: I think they're just thinking of let's get all our 603 00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 1: ducks in a row and we'll be there when the 604 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: divisional playoffs kick off. 605 00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, just on the larger scale, right. We talked about 606 00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 3: it for the fantasy purposes and kind of the year 607 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:03,320 Speaker 3: and review and whatever the Chiefs, and as we're doing 608 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 3: this with the Chiefs fifteen and two and maybe not 609 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 3: being as sexy like they had the potential of it, 610 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 3: and then Rashi Rice gets hurt and then Pi Jacko 611 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 3: gets her like all these things you thought Mark he's brown, 612 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 3: never sees the field, like all of these things that 613 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 3: they did to in theory augment and get this offense 614 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 3: looking like it once did. None of it actually got 615 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,240 Speaker 3: to come to fruition except the arrival of Noah Gray 616 00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 3: on a bigger scale. And somehow Matt Naggie is getting 617 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 3: a head coaching job interviews anybody? Why, hey, you riddle 618 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 3: me that there Ian your team doesn't make any sense. 619 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,920 Speaker 4: Mahomes has the worst year in a while, like for 620 00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 4: the worst year of his career, and Naggy gets gets looks. 621 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: Now, I don't get it. But as I said, if 622 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 1: Rex Ryan and we've talked about Rex getting the interview, 623 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,200 Speaker 1: which is gonna happen on what Tuesday said, why don't 624 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: the Bears just interview Mike did Gutz basically the same thing, right, yeah, 625 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: I mean, jeez, hey, let's. 626 00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,640 Speaker 3: Let me entertained. But by the way, if you if 627 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,400 Speaker 3: my my worst year was thirty nine hundred and twenty 628 00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 3: six and eleven, sign me up. But legitimately that's that's 629 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 3: where Patrick Mahomes is. 630 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:15,920 Speaker 1: Sure. 631 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:20,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty categorically dismissed of what a miserable season 632 00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:20,480 Speaker 3: it was. 633 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, just crazy. 634 00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 4: But still people are looking for nakey like, of course 635 00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 4: I don't understand that. 636 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 3: But yeah, well no, no, I have no clue. 637 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,080 Speaker 4: But about the Rex Ryan thing, Dan really quick, I'm 638 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 4: fully expecting them to hire him. Well, I'm just I'm 639 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 4: mentally prepared for that to happen, and it's going to 640 00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 4: be miserable. 641 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,040 Speaker 1: Well, well, i'll tell you that. What We're going to 642 00:33:40,120 --> 00:33:42,720 Speaker 1: get into some coaching on the next episode of I 643 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,320 Speaker 1: Want Your Flex. Because the vacancies are there, there could 644 00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,960 Speaker 1: be more vacancies as well. We'll dive into that. And 645 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,520 Speaker 1: plus we're going to do a wild card preview. So 646 00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,520 Speaker 1: for Ian Roddy and Mike Harmon, we are now in 647 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,760 Speaker 1: our playoff editions of I Want Your Flex. I'm Dan Byer. 648 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: We'll talk to you next time. I'm talking playoffs here, 649 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: and I want your flex mm hmm