1 00:00:07,266 --> 00:00:09,706 Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Scheger is a production of the 2 00:00:09,786 --> 00:00:24,706 Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. What's up, everybody, this is 3 00:00:24,706 --> 00:00:27,986 Speaker 1: Peter Schreger. You're listening to the Season with Peter Schreger. 4 00:00:28,026 --> 00:00:32,226 Speaker 1: We are officially in the off season. Mandatory mini camps 5 00:00:32,466 --> 00:00:35,106 Speaker 1: ended last week and we now have a nice four 6 00:00:35,146 --> 00:00:38,506 Speaker 1: week break before training camp starts. This is when I'm 7 00:00:38,506 --> 00:00:42,226 Speaker 1: hoping teams can kind of collect their thoughts, coaches can 8 00:00:42,226 --> 00:00:45,146 Speaker 1: get away, gms can maybe look at their rosters, make 9 00:00:45,186 --> 00:00:47,866 Speaker 1: some little tweaks, and then we hit the ground running 10 00:00:47,986 --> 00:00:51,866 Speaker 1: in July. One thing about those mandatory mini camps that 11 00:00:51,946 --> 00:00:53,786 Speaker 1: kept on coming up when I was talking to a 12 00:00:53,786 --> 00:00:57,226 Speaker 1: lot of coaches was that these new kickoff rules are 13 00:00:57,226 --> 00:00:59,906 Speaker 1: going to be really interesting. And I'm joined by Aaron 14 00:00:59,986 --> 00:01:01,786 Speaker 1: Wong Kaufman. Aaron, I hate to put you out on 15 00:01:01,786 --> 00:01:04,946 Speaker 1: the spot. Do you know that there's a change, a 16 00:01:05,026 --> 00:01:06,946 Speaker 1: major change in the NFL kickoff rules? 17 00:01:07,666 --> 00:01:10,346 Speaker 2: I know that there is a major change. I could 18 00:01:10,346 --> 00:01:12,586 Speaker 2: not tell you. I'm gonna begin to tell you what 19 00:01:12,666 --> 00:01:14,906 Speaker 2: it is other than I keep hearing words about like 20 00:01:17,146 --> 00:01:21,146 Speaker 2: certain players, like the returner is going to have more 21 00:01:21,226 --> 00:01:24,146 Speaker 2: work and what that means. I figured I would just 22 00:01:24,186 --> 00:01:25,786 Speaker 2: wait a couple of weeks in the season and see 23 00:01:25,826 --> 00:01:27,906 Speaker 2: how it looks after a week one or two. 24 00:01:28,226 --> 00:01:31,226 Speaker 1: No doubt, And I think that's that's a fair assessment 25 00:01:31,266 --> 00:01:33,866 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, including me. I've got I've 26 00:01:33,866 --> 00:01:38,026 Speaker 1: been sent diagrams, PowerPoint documents. I've spoken to special teams 27 00:01:38,066 --> 00:01:40,626 Speaker 1: coaches and I I'm still not sure if I had 28 00:01:40,706 --> 00:01:42,346 Speaker 1: visualized it. They're like, well, look at the look at 29 00:01:42,346 --> 00:01:45,226 Speaker 1: the old XFL rule and then just tinker this one 30 00:01:45,266 --> 00:01:47,786 Speaker 1: piece of like, I'm not looking at old XFL footage. 31 00:01:47,786 --> 00:01:50,626 Speaker 1: That's not a league anymore. That league is no longer. 32 00:01:50,666 --> 00:01:54,226 Speaker 1: I cannot find XFL footage to to to to deal 33 00:01:54,266 --> 00:01:55,946 Speaker 1: with all that, so I'm not going to go there. 34 00:01:57,146 --> 00:02:00,906 Speaker 1: That was one takeaway. Then the other thing was, you know, 35 00:02:01,066 --> 00:02:06,386 Speaker 1: the Rogers missing Mini camp and Robert Sala coming out 36 00:02:06,546 --> 00:02:09,586 Speaker 1: and saying it was unexcused, so he'll be fine, but 37 00:02:09,626 --> 00:02:12,546 Speaker 1: it's not unexcused in the way that he wasn't aware 38 00:02:12,586 --> 00:02:14,906 Speaker 1: of it, and the CBA means he has to find 39 00:02:14,946 --> 00:02:18,386 Speaker 1: it was very, very convoluted and all that stuff. The 40 00:02:18,466 --> 00:02:21,666 Speaker 1: thought from within the Jets world, and I've spoken to 41 00:02:21,746 --> 00:02:23,786 Speaker 1: some of those guys. Sala not included is that like 42 00:02:23,826 --> 00:02:26,546 Speaker 1: it's no big deal, Like this is not a big deal. 43 00:02:26,586 --> 00:02:30,666 Speaker 1: It's three days. He was there every day. It was 44 00:02:30,706 --> 00:02:34,866 Speaker 1: not a big deal. But in the New York market, 45 00:02:34,986 --> 00:02:37,586 Speaker 1: when you have the coach say unexcused and he will 46 00:02:37,586 --> 00:02:39,626 Speaker 1: be fined. And then you also have a son Reddick, 47 00:02:39,666 --> 00:02:41,546 Speaker 1: which the two things don't really have anything to do 48 00:02:41,586 --> 00:02:44,506 Speaker 1: with each other, but two major players not at the 49 00:02:44,506 --> 00:02:46,186 Speaker 1: three day mini camp, Like why can't you just be 50 00:02:46,266 --> 00:02:50,226 Speaker 1: at the three day mini camp? And yet Lamar Jackson 51 00:02:50,866 --> 00:02:53,466 Speaker 1: was in South Florida, Like there's a million ways you 52 00:02:53,466 --> 00:02:56,346 Speaker 1: could tear this thing about. I'm gonna say this, Rogers 53 00:02:56,346 --> 00:02:58,986 Speaker 1: will be there for training camp. We won't even think 54 00:02:59,026 --> 00:03:01,746 Speaker 1: about these three days. We won't even go back to 55 00:03:01,786 --> 00:03:04,106 Speaker 1: these three days. I'm gonna lean on the side of 56 00:03:04,506 --> 00:03:08,466 Speaker 1: no big deal, Aaron, it would look like it was 57 00:03:08,506 --> 00:03:11,426 Speaker 1: a dead time in football. The NBA playoffs had like 58 00:03:11,466 --> 00:03:15,266 Speaker 1: a solid week in between finals games. No big deal? 59 00:03:15,306 --> 00:03:17,066 Speaker 1: Okay to say? Or am I being like a homer 60 00:03:17,106 --> 00:03:19,226 Speaker 1: and protecting my guys by saying no big deal here 61 00:03:19,266 --> 00:03:21,866 Speaker 1: with me being in the New York market? Oh man 62 00:03:22,226 --> 00:03:25,386 Speaker 1: uh Kaufman. 63 00:03:26,546 --> 00:03:30,186 Speaker 2: I think, for better or worse, anytime Rogers does anything, 64 00:03:30,186 --> 00:03:34,146 Speaker 2: it's news and say this were I don't know if 65 00:03:34,906 --> 00:03:39,026 Speaker 2: Anthony Richardson was missing three days, it'd be different. But 66 00:03:39,106 --> 00:03:43,266 Speaker 2: because it's Rogers, and I think the SoundBite of Sala 67 00:03:43,346 --> 00:03:47,786 Speaker 2: saying we knew about it, but it's unexcused, it maybe 68 00:03:47,826 --> 00:03:51,186 Speaker 2: compounded it and made it worse. But I agree with you. 69 00:03:51,226 --> 00:03:54,826 Speaker 2: If he shows up in training camp and they're humming 70 00:03:54,906 --> 00:03:57,786 Speaker 2: along and Mike Williams is healthy and the offense looks 71 00:03:57,866 --> 00:04:01,986 Speaker 2: great and Malcat Coraley is catching Rogers highlight there boom, 72 00:04:01,986 --> 00:04:03,946 Speaker 2: then like, no one's going to talk about this again. 73 00:04:04,386 --> 00:04:07,946 Speaker 1: Let me let me give you a You know, in 74 00:04:08,346 --> 00:04:10,986 Speaker 1: sports media, there's take, there's the other take, and then 75 00:04:10,986 --> 00:04:13,346 Speaker 1: there's like the turn it on its head flip side 76 00:04:13,506 --> 00:04:17,306 Speaker 1: take that usually is what breaks through. Here's my turn 77 00:04:17,346 --> 00:04:20,506 Speaker 1: it on its head flip side take. So the first 78 00:04:20,506 --> 00:04:24,146 Speaker 1: take is the hot take, which is Rogers, all I 79 00:04:24,186 --> 00:04:26,106 Speaker 1: have to do is be there for three days. It matters, 80 00:04:26,146 --> 00:04:29,106 Speaker 1: it's mandatory, and it seems weird that he's not there. 81 00:04:29,226 --> 00:04:34,386 Speaker 1: The other take is the moderate conservative take, which is mine, 82 00:04:34,386 --> 00:04:37,146 Speaker 1: which is a snow big deal. The flip it on 83 00:04:37,226 --> 00:04:40,506 Speaker 1: its head take is that the fact that no one 84 00:04:40,666 --> 00:04:46,026 Speaker 1: knows where Rogers is tells me that the Jets have 85 00:04:46,026 --> 00:04:48,866 Speaker 1: tightened things up in their building a little bit. That 86 00:04:49,026 --> 00:04:52,426 Speaker 1: last year after Diana Russini had an athletic article where 87 00:04:52,506 --> 00:04:54,746 Speaker 1: it seemed like there was thirty sore season, there was 88 00:04:57,266 --> 00:05:01,666 Speaker 1: I'm being honest, Eron, I don't know where Rogers was 89 00:05:01,906 --> 00:05:04,226 Speaker 1: and I have no idea and I've asked everyone and 90 00:05:04,266 --> 00:05:06,266 Speaker 1: they won't give it to me. So if I don't know, 91 00:05:06,626 --> 00:05:09,666 Speaker 1: and Chef The's not reporting it, Glazers not reporting it, like, 92 00:05:10,346 --> 00:05:13,226 Speaker 1: is that not a sign of things changing with the Jets. 93 00:05:13,306 --> 00:05:16,186 Speaker 1: And maybe a this is a real long hot, real 94 00:05:16,386 --> 00:05:20,226 Speaker 1: aunt would say, asymmetric take, but maybe a good thing 95 00:05:20,306 --> 00:05:22,986 Speaker 1: that the Jets that their team knows and no one 96 00:05:23,026 --> 00:05:24,986 Speaker 1: in the building has leaked where Rogers was. 97 00:05:25,666 --> 00:05:29,986 Speaker 2: Maybe Rogers actually was there and they're just saying he 98 00:05:30,066 --> 00:05:34,706 Speaker 2: wasn't there to prove how how tight the ship is now. Yeah, 99 00:05:34,946 --> 00:05:37,146 Speaker 2: I mean that is good that stuff's not getting out 100 00:05:37,226 --> 00:05:44,466 Speaker 2: sure ish ish yeah good fine, yeah, positive spin, positive sign. 101 00:05:45,306 --> 00:05:47,706 Speaker 1: Lastly, the Chiefs they get their rings. It is crazy 102 00:05:47,746 --> 00:05:51,866 Speaker 1: that some of those guys, you know, Mames, Kelsey, Chris Jones, 103 00:05:52,266 --> 00:05:54,626 Speaker 1: they have three rings and they're all under the age 104 00:05:54,626 --> 00:05:57,346 Speaker 1: of thirty. Like crazy. It was a pretty cool presentation 105 00:05:57,426 --> 00:06:02,266 Speaker 1: that they did. I love the fact that, like Kelsey, 106 00:06:02,586 --> 00:06:04,906 Speaker 1: as I mentioned a couple of weeks ago with Greg Olsen, 107 00:06:04,986 --> 00:06:07,986 Speaker 1: like is at that ring ceremony is at tight End 108 00:06:08,146 --> 00:06:11,666 Speaker 1: University is like active there. Chiefs seemed to. 109 00:06:11,586 --> 00:06:12,266 Speaker 3: Be rolling to me. 110 00:06:12,466 --> 00:06:14,426 Speaker 1: And I know we made a big deal about Rashi 111 00:06:14,546 --> 00:06:17,786 Speaker 1: Rice and Harrison Bucker's comments, and I don't know once 112 00:06:17,826 --> 00:06:19,306 Speaker 1: we get to training camp and those guys are on 113 00:06:19,346 --> 00:06:21,186 Speaker 1: the field and they're playing like, I'm not sure even 114 00:06:21,186 --> 00:06:23,346 Speaker 1: that stuff is going to be like a quote unquote 115 00:06:23,386 --> 00:06:25,586 Speaker 1: distraction that a lot of us were trying to make 116 00:06:25,626 --> 00:06:28,546 Speaker 1: to poke holes in this, you know, repeat, But they 117 00:06:28,546 --> 00:06:31,866 Speaker 1: seem pretty dialed in. That was their ring ceremony. But 118 00:06:32,146 --> 00:06:34,946 Speaker 1: I want to rap before we get to our guest, Aaron. 119 00:06:35,706 --> 00:06:40,346 Speaker 1: The Boston Celtics won their eighteenth NBA title last night. 120 00:06:40,866 --> 00:06:43,426 Speaker 1: I don't really want to go into NBA and talk 121 00:06:43,466 --> 00:06:47,626 Speaker 1: about that because the night before was the Tony Awards. 122 00:06:47,626 --> 00:06:50,946 Speaker 1: In a ninety second conversation, if anyone listening to this 123 00:06:51,026 --> 00:06:53,506 Speaker 1: podcast is new to it, I must tell you that 124 00:06:53,986 --> 00:06:56,626 Speaker 1: Aaron and I are Broadway enthusiasts. We live in New York. 125 00:06:56,666 --> 00:06:59,546 Speaker 1: We enjoy the Arts Hour. Buddy Jason English who is 126 00:06:59,546 --> 00:07:02,626 Speaker 1: on here as well. His daughter is a thespian. He's 127 00:07:02,666 --> 00:07:05,826 Speaker 1: into the Broadway shows. There is nothing wrong with loving Broadway. 128 00:07:05,826 --> 00:07:08,186 Speaker 1: And when I saw Alam and Thomas in my old 129 00:07:08,226 --> 00:07:11,546 Speaker 1: colleague Nate Burlison presenting Best Play to Stereophonic, I had 130 00:07:11,586 --> 00:07:15,866 Speaker 1: a sense of pride the NFL has being represented, Aaron 131 00:07:16,706 --> 00:07:19,266 Speaker 1: your thirty second takeaway from Tony Knight. 132 00:07:21,506 --> 00:07:26,626 Speaker 2: Some big names. I think people love the Daniel Radcliffe 133 00:07:27,186 --> 00:07:30,626 Speaker 2: when his first Tony his acceptance speech was great. I 134 00:07:30,666 --> 00:07:33,586 Speaker 2: love seeing him basically say like I will never have 135 00:07:33,706 --> 00:07:36,586 Speaker 2: it this easy ever again. Like my co stars on 136 00:07:36,626 --> 00:07:37,626 Speaker 2: this were incredible. 137 00:07:37,666 --> 00:07:40,106 Speaker 1: I mean you're talking about you know, Lindsay Mendez and 138 00:07:40,186 --> 00:07:43,986 Speaker 1: Jonathan to a great act. Yes, that's pretty good. 139 00:07:44,706 --> 00:07:48,266 Speaker 2: Also love seeing a show that originally bombed and has 140 00:07:48,346 --> 00:07:50,906 Speaker 2: then has since come back because Merrily We roll along 141 00:07:51,066 --> 00:07:53,866 Speaker 2: as a revival. The first run did not do well And. 142 00:07:53,906 --> 00:07:55,346 Speaker 1: Is that right? I don't know the history of it, 143 00:07:55,386 --> 00:07:57,786 Speaker 1: so when how many years ago? Like eighties nineties are like. 144 00:07:57,786 --> 00:08:00,506 Speaker 2: Ten years and not no longer than that I believe. 145 00:08:00,226 --> 00:08:01,906 Speaker 1: But the story is it was a flop. 146 00:08:02,746 --> 00:08:02,986 Speaker 3: Yeah. 147 00:08:03,106 --> 00:08:07,946 Speaker 2: Eight nineteen eighty one musical Wow on time and based 148 00:08:07,986 --> 00:08:11,506 Speaker 2: off of a nineteen thirty four play from George Kaufman. 149 00:08:12,706 --> 00:08:15,946 Speaker 2: But yeah, great last name love that. Yes, great last 150 00:08:16,026 --> 00:08:19,506 Speaker 2: name President quite a bit of theater. Liked that. And 151 00:08:19,546 --> 00:08:24,106 Speaker 2: then also my favorite show of the entire year one 152 00:08:24,226 --> 00:08:27,826 Speaker 2: for best Choreography Illinois, which is the Soufkion Stevens musical. 153 00:08:28,266 --> 00:08:30,426 Speaker 1: I didn't see it. My wife wanted to see it. 154 00:08:30,426 --> 00:08:32,426 Speaker 1: She didn't see it, but the performance they had was 155 00:08:32,506 --> 00:08:34,066 Speaker 1: pretty moving. What's the story there? 156 00:08:34,226 --> 00:08:40,266 Speaker 2: Souf Kihn Stevens, who's an indie singer, songwriter, indie music darling. 157 00:08:40,426 --> 00:08:43,426 Speaker 2: He was one of the most important musicians to me 158 00:08:43,546 --> 00:08:46,546 Speaker 2: and my generation, I would say during college. This album 159 00:08:46,586 --> 00:08:50,386 Speaker 2: in particular is very, very important. And this album features Chicago, 160 00:08:50,506 --> 00:08:53,586 Speaker 2: the song that's in a Little Miss Sunshine, like the 161 00:08:53,666 --> 00:08:56,986 Speaker 2: swelling strings, all things go oh like when they're driving 162 00:08:56,986 --> 00:09:01,186 Speaker 2: in the car. And the show is choreographed by Justin Peck, 163 00:09:01,226 --> 00:09:06,506 Speaker 2: who's one of the most visionary young choreographers dancers in 164 00:09:06,666 --> 00:09:12,026 Speaker 2: theater today, I think. And the show is like using 165 00:09:12,346 --> 00:09:13,786 Speaker 2: the music from that album. 166 00:09:14,146 --> 00:09:16,226 Speaker 1: There's no dialogue, right, it's no dialogue. 167 00:09:16,266 --> 00:09:17,466 Speaker 2: It's just all done dude. 168 00:09:17,506 --> 00:09:21,106 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's an album from the two thousands, and it's. 169 00:09:21,106 --> 00:09:23,426 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's all late two thousands. 170 00:09:23,746 --> 00:09:26,146 Speaker 1: So they just have the album and they just sing, 171 00:09:26,306 --> 00:09:28,386 Speaker 1: they dance and sing to it, and they tell a 172 00:09:28,426 --> 00:09:29,066 Speaker 1: story through that. 173 00:09:29,466 --> 00:09:32,626 Speaker 2: And it's very similar to Sufion had these elaborate tours 174 00:09:32,666 --> 00:09:35,306 Speaker 2: at that time. So he's got this huge band and 175 00:09:35,346 --> 00:09:38,626 Speaker 2: he's got three vocalists who do all the pieces. And 176 00:09:38,626 --> 00:09:41,266 Speaker 2: he's not in it. Soufion's not in it, but he 177 00:09:41,346 --> 00:09:44,746 Speaker 2: is a he's a Brooklyn guy like us. But yeah, 178 00:09:44,786 --> 00:09:48,346 Speaker 2: and it's it tells the story of this character who 179 00:09:49,866 --> 00:09:51,866 Speaker 2: is kind of a stand in for him and his 180 00:09:51,986 --> 00:09:57,026 Speaker 2: journey from like small town moving to New York City. Yeah, 181 00:09:57,106 --> 00:10:00,666 Speaker 2: it's beautiful. It's yeah, one hundred percent. I would We 182 00:10:00,746 --> 00:10:04,666 Speaker 2: saw it at the Armory. Yeah, we saw it at 183 00:10:04,706 --> 00:10:06,706 Speaker 2: the Armory. We have not seen it on Broadway yet, but. 184 00:10:06,786 --> 00:10:08,546 Speaker 1: It's only a limited run. It's like ten weeks. 185 00:10:08,586 --> 00:10:10,306 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's got a couple more weeks left, 186 00:10:11,026 --> 00:10:13,186 Speaker 2: so recommend that. 187 00:10:13,706 --> 00:10:15,826 Speaker 1: My real quick takes. I didn't see The Outsiders. That 188 00:10:15,866 --> 00:10:17,626 Speaker 1: one the best musical. Did you you see it? 189 00:10:17,666 --> 00:10:17,786 Speaker 3: I have? 190 00:10:17,946 --> 00:10:18,746 Speaker 2: I've not seen that yet. 191 00:10:18,786 --> 00:10:21,066 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was in it, but I loved Enemy of 192 00:10:21,106 --> 00:10:23,186 Speaker 1: the People and Jeremy Strong winning was really cool. I 193 00:10:23,186 --> 00:10:26,346 Speaker 1: thought it was amazing. So he had a cool speech too, 194 00:10:26,626 --> 00:10:29,066 Speaker 1: and they tried putting the music on like and like, no, 195 00:10:29,186 --> 00:10:31,586 Speaker 1: you let Kendall Roy give his speech if he wants 196 00:10:31,626 --> 00:10:34,346 Speaker 1: to give his speech. It was great. And now he's 197 00:10:34,346 --> 00:10:38,106 Speaker 1: in a very controversial, slash interesting movie that got a 198 00:10:38,146 --> 00:10:42,026 Speaker 1: standing ovation at Gon called The Apprentice and it's about 199 00:10:42,226 --> 00:10:45,106 Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump and Donald Trump's father and Roy 200 00:10:45,186 --> 00:10:48,506 Speaker 1: Cone and he plays Roy Cohne, who is kind of 201 00:10:48,546 --> 00:10:52,106 Speaker 1: the man behind the Trump Empire. Very interesting if that 202 00:10:52,186 --> 00:10:54,866 Speaker 1: movie comes out, especially around election time. That's how we 203 00:10:54,866 --> 00:10:58,666 Speaker 1: start our football prodcast, folks, And with no further ado, 204 00:10:59,226 --> 00:11:01,546 Speaker 1: we were talking to start this thing about the special teams. 205 00:11:03,066 --> 00:11:05,306 Speaker 1: I love talking to special teams coordinators. If there's like 206 00:11:05,346 --> 00:11:08,866 Speaker 1: one thing that I'd say that I've seen as like 207 00:11:08,906 --> 00:11:10,746 Speaker 1: a way to learn the game and talk the game 208 00:11:10,906 --> 00:11:12,826 Speaker 1: and to guys who are usually willing to talk and 209 00:11:12,906 --> 00:11:16,506 Speaker 1: teach and not you know, move on. It's special teams guys. 210 00:11:16,546 --> 00:11:18,826 Speaker 1: And one of them that I've grown pretty friendly with 211 00:11:18,866 --> 00:11:21,146 Speaker 1: over the years is Bubba Ventrone. I think he's great. 212 00:11:21,226 --> 00:11:22,746 Speaker 1: I got to know when he was with the Colts. 213 00:11:22,866 --> 00:11:25,586 Speaker 1: He is now the special teams coach of the Browns, 214 00:11:25,986 --> 00:11:28,106 Speaker 1: and I thought let's bring Bubble on to start these 215 00:11:28,106 --> 00:11:31,506 Speaker 1: offseason podcasts, and let's really have him explain these kickoff. 216 00:11:31,346 --> 00:11:32,186 Speaker 3: Roles and go from there. 217 00:11:32,426 --> 00:11:35,946 Speaker 1: So, with no further ado, my guy, Raymond Bubba than Trump. 218 00:11:42,386 --> 00:11:44,386 Speaker 1: All right, my guests this week is someone I've been 219 00:11:44,386 --> 00:11:46,026 Speaker 1: wanting to have on for quite some time. I think 220 00:11:46,026 --> 00:11:48,106 Speaker 1: he's one of the best special teams coaches in the league. 221 00:11:48,226 --> 00:11:50,586 Speaker 1: And with a lot of the changes going on with 222 00:11:50,626 --> 00:11:53,466 Speaker 1: the rules and special teams, which I think a lot 223 00:11:53,506 --> 00:11:55,506 Speaker 1: of football fans haven't been paying much attention to it 224 00:11:55,546 --> 00:11:57,466 Speaker 1: are going to be shocked when the season starts to say, 225 00:11:57,506 --> 00:11:59,866 Speaker 1: wait a second, what's going on? I wanted to bring 226 00:11:59,906 --> 00:12:02,066 Speaker 1: on special teams guru and a guy who I think 227 00:12:02,106 --> 00:12:03,546 Speaker 1: is going to be a head coach in the NFL, 228 00:12:04,346 --> 00:12:09,386 Speaker 1: Raymond Bubba Ventro. He is the assistant head coach and 229 00:12:09,426 --> 00:12:12,586 Speaker 1: special teams coordinator of the Cleveland Browns, and we're gonna 230 00:12:12,586 --> 00:12:14,546 Speaker 1: go through his career. But Bubba, what's up, my man? 231 00:12:15,506 --> 00:12:17,746 Speaker 3: What's going on? My man? Thank you so much for 232 00:12:17,786 --> 00:12:21,466 Speaker 3: that intro. That's a heck of an introduction that I 233 00:12:21,546 --> 00:12:22,226 Speaker 3: appreciate it. 234 00:12:22,346 --> 00:12:24,466 Speaker 1: All right, so, special teams coordinator. But for those at 235 00:12:24,466 --> 00:12:26,426 Speaker 1: home who are like all right, But what's his story. 236 00:12:26,506 --> 00:12:29,626 Speaker 1: We'll go through it here. Undrafted as a Patriots player 237 00:12:29,866 --> 00:12:32,786 Speaker 1: five oh six, then the Jets for seven, then you 238 00:12:32,866 --> 00:12:35,466 Speaker 1: jump back to the Patriots for seven eight, Then you 239 00:12:35,506 --> 00:12:38,666 Speaker 1: spent four years with the Browns, two years with the Niners, 240 00:12:39,106 --> 00:12:43,426 Speaker 1: and then almost immediately after ending a career as a player, 241 00:12:43,626 --> 00:12:45,946 Speaker 1: you end up coaching with the Patriots and their special 242 00:12:45,946 --> 00:12:49,466 Speaker 1: teams room, then being the Colt special teams coordinator, which 243 00:12:49,866 --> 00:12:51,906 Speaker 1: I was. That's where we got to know each other, 244 00:12:51,906 --> 00:12:53,546 Speaker 1: and I was blown away by your work during the 245 00:12:53,586 --> 00:12:55,786 Speaker 1: hard knocks in season with the Colts, where you were 246 00:12:56,106 --> 00:12:58,626 Speaker 1: I think the MVP, and then for the last couple 247 00:12:58,586 --> 00:13:01,466 Speaker 1: of years the Browns special teams coordinator. You're a super 248 00:13:01,466 --> 00:13:04,866 Speaker 1: Bowl champion and you're an undrafted guy out of Villanova. 249 00:13:04,946 --> 00:13:08,706 Speaker 1: Do you do you look at yourself as former player 250 00:13:08,946 --> 00:13:11,506 Speaker 1: or do you look at yourself now as current coach? 251 00:13:11,586 --> 00:13:13,186 Speaker 1: Like what's the dichotomy in your brain? 252 00:13:14,106 --> 00:13:16,226 Speaker 3: I think I take a little bit from both, I do. 253 00:13:16,346 --> 00:13:17,986 Speaker 3: I think I take a little bit from both. And 254 00:13:19,066 --> 00:13:21,946 Speaker 3: I had to work for all my opportunities, and I'm 255 00:13:22,026 --> 00:13:24,266 Speaker 3: very thankful for all those opportunities I was given, and 256 00:13:24,706 --> 00:13:27,226 Speaker 3: in both as a player and as a coach by 257 00:13:27,346 --> 00:13:31,026 Speaker 3: Bill Belichick. So that's pretty cool to say. But no, 258 00:13:31,146 --> 00:13:32,626 Speaker 3: I feel like I wor I just I worked for 259 00:13:32,666 --> 00:13:35,426 Speaker 3: every opportunity I got, and I put myself in a 260 00:13:35,466 --> 00:13:38,946 Speaker 3: good position moving into this twenty twenty four season. 261 00:13:39,786 --> 00:13:42,746 Speaker 1: Undrafted guy out of Villanova, And as the story goes, 262 00:13:42,786 --> 00:13:45,426 Speaker 1: I'm doing my research, there was a chance they were 263 00:13:45,426 --> 00:13:47,466 Speaker 1: going to draft you as mister irrelevant. The year you 264 00:13:47,506 --> 00:13:50,706 Speaker 1: got drafted, they don't you sign as an undrafted free agent. 265 00:13:51,306 --> 00:13:52,866 Speaker 1: I could see the way you play, and you were 266 00:13:52,906 --> 00:13:56,146 Speaker 1: a fearless player, and you're a special teams guru. I 267 00:13:56,146 --> 00:13:58,426 Speaker 1: can imagine you were one of Belichick's favorites. What was 268 00:13:58,426 --> 00:14:00,746 Speaker 1: the dynamic there between you and coach Bill Belichick? 269 00:14:01,186 --> 00:14:03,226 Speaker 3: No, he was He was awesome, and he knew that 270 00:14:03,266 --> 00:14:04,946 Speaker 3: I was going to play as hard as I could 271 00:14:05,026 --> 00:14:08,546 Speaker 3: every single play. That's really that's ultimately how I made it. 272 00:14:08,586 --> 00:14:11,386 Speaker 3: I was a practice squad player for my first year 273 00:14:11,386 --> 00:14:13,866 Speaker 3: in the league and then they actually sent me to 274 00:14:14,146 --> 00:14:17,866 Speaker 3: and I was playing. I was playing running back, receiver, corner, safety, 275 00:14:17,866 --> 00:14:20,586 Speaker 3: and practice taking every special teams rep. So I was 276 00:14:20,626 --> 00:14:23,466 Speaker 3: playing both ways, doing the taking every rep. They actually 277 00:14:23,466 --> 00:14:26,066 Speaker 3: sent me to NFL Europe right after the season. I 278 00:14:26,106 --> 00:14:28,906 Speaker 3: played over there for ten weeks. I injured my shoulder 279 00:14:28,946 --> 00:14:31,026 Speaker 3: and they put me on into a reserve for that 280 00:14:31,426 --> 00:14:35,026 Speaker 3: O six season, so I didn't really play until two 281 00:14:35,066 --> 00:14:38,546 Speaker 3: thousand and seven. The Jets signed me and then they 282 00:14:38,586 --> 00:14:40,706 Speaker 3: cut me after training camp, and then I signed back 283 00:14:40,746 --> 00:14:43,626 Speaker 3: to New England, so you know when I go. And 284 00:14:43,626 --> 00:14:45,786 Speaker 3: then when I signed back to New England, Bill moved 285 00:14:45,786 --> 00:14:49,026 Speaker 3: me to receiver. So I actually played receiver for two 286 00:14:49,106 --> 00:14:52,386 Speaker 3: years and backed up Welker in the slot. So and 287 00:14:52,506 --> 00:14:55,786 Speaker 3: his his the reason he did that was he was like, okay, 288 00:14:56,226 --> 00:14:59,186 Speaker 3: you understand the defense. You know the defense. We could 289 00:14:59,186 --> 00:15:00,906 Speaker 3: put you in on defense if we had to at 290 00:15:00,906 --> 00:15:02,506 Speaker 3: the end of the y. He knew that ultimately I 291 00:15:02,546 --> 00:15:05,266 Speaker 3: was a special teams player, So I played a lot 292 00:15:05,266 --> 00:15:07,386 Speaker 3: of I played running back in school and I had 293 00:15:07,666 --> 00:15:10,266 Speaker 3: some offers to the smaller schools to play running back. 294 00:15:10,786 --> 00:15:13,186 Speaker 3: So I was playing running back and receiver and he's like, listen, 295 00:15:13,346 --> 00:15:16,146 Speaker 3: we're gonna to give you more value. We're gonna have 296 00:15:16,186 --> 00:15:18,946 Speaker 3: you learn the receiver position. So I played receiver for 297 00:15:18,986 --> 00:15:23,106 Speaker 3: the whole offseason, ended up making the roster and it 298 00:15:23,186 --> 00:15:26,026 Speaker 3: really didn't put me gave me more more more value 299 00:15:26,066 --> 00:15:28,506 Speaker 3: to the roster, and honestly, I learned a lot from 300 00:15:28,626 --> 00:15:33,706 Speaker 3: him about roster management because the value of having a 301 00:15:33,746 --> 00:15:37,226 Speaker 3: guy that can no offense, defense, but ultimately as a teamer, 302 00:15:37,386 --> 00:15:39,626 Speaker 3: that gives you a guy it's really like your sixth 303 00:15:39,626 --> 00:15:42,466 Speaker 3: wide out at the game or your fifth wide out 304 00:15:42,506 --> 00:15:45,146 Speaker 3: at the game, and also your fourth or fifth safety 305 00:15:45,626 --> 00:15:48,746 Speaker 3: having that same role. And that's why Bill was so good. 306 00:15:48,826 --> 00:15:52,706 Speaker 3: I mean guys like Edelman, Troy Brown, those guys could 307 00:15:52,706 --> 00:15:56,266 Speaker 3: do play off everything and defense. That way, you wouldn't 308 00:15:56,346 --> 00:16:00,626 Speaker 3: have to play or carry an extra body. Like one 309 00:16:00,666 --> 00:16:04,026 Speaker 3: more example I'll give you like Patrick Chung, Like for 310 00:16:04,186 --> 00:16:07,026 Speaker 3: us Pat Chung when I was coaching there, Pad could 311 00:16:07,066 --> 00:16:09,746 Speaker 3: play nickel, he could play safety, so you didn't have 312 00:16:09,826 --> 00:16:12,186 Speaker 3: to carry an extra BB. We could carry an extra 313 00:16:12,226 --> 00:16:15,586 Speaker 3: special teamer to those games. So that that really helped 314 00:16:15,586 --> 00:16:16,586 Speaker 3: our roster out a lot. 315 00:16:17,306 --> 00:16:19,786 Speaker 1: The Niners era of your career is cool too, because 316 00:16:19,826 --> 00:16:22,426 Speaker 1: you were in those hardball teams that made a run 317 00:16:22,506 --> 00:16:25,746 Speaker 1: in the playoffs couple of years. Uh. Your thoughts on 318 00:16:25,746 --> 00:16:27,826 Speaker 1: on that team and that identity and when you were 319 00:16:27,826 --> 00:16:29,986 Speaker 1: on those forty nine ers squads that were led by 320 00:16:29,986 --> 00:16:32,266 Speaker 1: Alex Smith and of course Kaepernick gets the nod uh 321 00:16:32,666 --> 00:16:34,466 Speaker 1: in that second season of his. 322 00:16:34,906 --> 00:16:37,226 Speaker 3: Yeah, Coach Harbaugh. I mean the one thing he instilled 323 00:16:37,306 --> 00:16:41,506 Speaker 3: was just toughness. I mean those guys and I understand 324 00:16:41,506 --> 00:16:44,026 Speaker 3: that those guys in LA. I mean, he will make 325 00:16:44,066 --> 00:16:46,946 Speaker 3: those guys work, work, work. I mean we practiced long, 326 00:16:47,026 --> 00:16:50,106 Speaker 3: we practiced hard. We would two spot pretty much every 327 00:16:50,146 --> 00:16:53,506 Speaker 3: team drill, so we were like getting double reps. You know. 328 00:16:53,586 --> 00:16:58,666 Speaker 3: He was big on conditioning and ultimately just that guy's 329 00:16:59,266 --> 00:17:02,146 Speaker 3: he is a work work, workman. Yeah, he's a great 330 00:17:02,226 --> 00:17:03,146 Speaker 3: He's grateful. 331 00:17:04,546 --> 00:17:06,866 Speaker 1: That Niners roster bub because I feel like it's one 332 00:17:06,906 --> 00:17:08,666 Speaker 1: of those teams that didn't win the CHIP. So everyone's like, 333 00:17:08,706 --> 00:17:10,826 Speaker 1: all right, we think of that era, we think of Patriots, 334 00:17:11,226 --> 00:17:13,506 Speaker 1: you think of the Colts of those era, like that 335 00:17:13,706 --> 00:17:16,026 Speaker 1: Niners team that went to the Super Bowl and those 336 00:17:16,106 --> 00:17:19,266 Speaker 1: in the year before the NFC Championship game, and like 337 00:17:19,706 --> 00:17:22,586 Speaker 1: tucking Justin Smith, Yeah, Alden Smith, like go through some 338 00:17:22,626 --> 00:17:24,306 Speaker 1: of those names that you would just see like these 339 00:17:24,306 --> 00:17:25,146 Speaker 1: are just beasts. 340 00:17:25,506 --> 00:17:27,506 Speaker 3: So I came in, and I came in in thirteen, 341 00:17:27,826 --> 00:17:29,146 Speaker 3: was my first year there, So it was a year 342 00:17:29,186 --> 00:17:31,146 Speaker 3: after they lost the Super Bowl, but it was still 343 00:17:31,146 --> 00:17:32,906 Speaker 3: a lot of a lot of carryover the only guy 344 00:17:32,946 --> 00:17:35,186 Speaker 3: that the only guy that really wasn't there was Deshaun Goldson, 345 00:17:35,546 --> 00:17:39,826 Speaker 3: the safety. But up front we had Justin Smith, Alden Smith, 346 00:17:39,906 --> 00:17:44,466 Speaker 3: Ray McDonald, Ahmad Brooks as a freak. Inside you had 347 00:17:44,586 --> 00:17:48,626 Speaker 3: Pat Willis Navarro, Bowman as your as your as your backers. 348 00:17:48,706 --> 00:17:51,906 Speaker 3: Navarro was like runner off for defensive Player of the Year. Yeah, 349 00:17:51,946 --> 00:17:56,426 Speaker 3: in twenty thirteen. Then on the perimeter you had Carlos Rogers, 350 00:17:56,586 --> 00:18:00,146 Speaker 3: Terrell Brown, Dante Whitner. We drafted Eric Reid in the 351 00:18:00,186 --> 00:18:01,066 Speaker 3: first round that year. 352 00:18:01,186 --> 00:18:01,626 Speaker 1: Yeah. Great. 353 00:18:02,226 --> 00:18:05,626 Speaker 3: Our defense was really really good. And then offensively, obviously 354 00:18:05,626 --> 00:18:09,466 Speaker 3: we had cap Frank Gore, you know, and Kwon Bolton's 355 00:18:09,466 --> 00:18:13,106 Speaker 3: probably one of the most underrated receivers, you know how history. 356 00:18:13,146 --> 00:18:15,626 Speaker 3: That dude was a playmaker. We had Vernon Davis who 357 00:18:15,626 --> 00:18:18,426 Speaker 3: could stretch the field. We had a really good we 358 00:18:18,426 --> 00:18:20,186 Speaker 3: had a really really good team, and we ended up 359 00:18:20,626 --> 00:18:25,786 Speaker 3: playing and losing to Seattle in the NFC Championship. 360 00:18:25,186 --> 00:18:27,306 Speaker 1: One of the most physical games of all time. 361 00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:32,026 Speaker 3: And in the next year, right, so the next year 362 00:18:32,226 --> 00:18:34,666 Speaker 3: was my last year playing. I had some injuries and 363 00:18:34,746 --> 00:18:36,906 Speaker 3: so was going to be done playing in twenty fourteen, 364 00:18:37,586 --> 00:18:40,066 Speaker 3: and that's really how I got my coaching opportunity was 365 00:18:40,106 --> 00:18:43,746 Speaker 3: because the Sea the Seahawks were about to play the 366 00:18:43,746 --> 00:18:47,546 Speaker 3: Patriots in the Super Bowl. So Bill Bill reaches out 367 00:18:47,586 --> 00:18:50,866 Speaker 3: to me because we had gone against Seattle a number 368 00:18:50,906 --> 00:18:54,546 Speaker 3: of times and because I knew there were special teams. 369 00:18:54,586 --> 00:18:58,706 Speaker 3: He was asking me questions about their their kicking game there, right, So. 370 00:18:58,586 --> 00:19:01,066 Speaker 1: You weren't you weren't on staff for the Patriots, and 371 00:19:01,066 --> 00:19:02,826 Speaker 1: you weren't in the league. You were kind of in limbo, 372 00:19:02,946 --> 00:19:04,666 Speaker 1: and he calls you to start picking your brain the 373 00:19:04,666 --> 00:19:07,666 Speaker 1: week of the Super Bowl. I love this Bubba We. 374 00:19:07,746 --> 00:19:09,946 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he's a coach, is a good friend 375 00:19:09,986 --> 00:19:11,986 Speaker 3: of mine. We I mean we text throughout the year 376 00:19:12,066 --> 00:19:16,426 Speaker 3: and we always had a good relationship. So at the 377 00:19:16,506 --> 00:19:19,266 Speaker 3: end of the conversation, he's like, Hey, not sure what 378 00:19:19,306 --> 00:19:22,346 Speaker 3: your plans are, but Scottie O'Brien is going to retire, 379 00:19:22,586 --> 00:19:24,466 Speaker 3: Joe Judge is going to be the coordinator. Would you 380 00:19:24,586 --> 00:19:28,026 Speaker 3: want to interview for the assistant job? And I had 381 00:19:28,066 --> 00:19:30,906 Speaker 3: already had a house in Boston. My wife was from Boston, 382 00:19:30,946 --> 00:19:32,546 Speaker 3: and that was kind of like our place to go 383 00:19:32,666 --> 00:19:36,306 Speaker 3: back to regardless of where I was playing and the 384 00:19:36,346 --> 00:19:39,786 Speaker 3: season ended. I think I interviewed that Thursday and that 385 00:19:39,946 --> 00:19:43,146 Speaker 3: interview process was intense. I mean I was there at 386 00:19:43,186 --> 00:19:47,546 Speaker 3: like six six am. I didn't leave until like seven pm. 387 00:19:47,906 --> 00:19:52,586 Speaker 3: And then he ended up offering me the position. And 388 00:19:52,586 --> 00:19:55,746 Speaker 3: then he's like, yeah, if you want to come, if 389 00:19:55,746 --> 00:19:58,626 Speaker 3: you want to come back tomorrow, you know, and be 390 00:19:58,666 --> 00:20:00,346 Speaker 3: ready to roll, that'd be great. And I was like, 391 00:20:00,586 --> 00:20:01,586 Speaker 3: it was like Friday or. 392 00:20:01,506 --> 00:20:02,546 Speaker 1: Something like tomorrow. 393 00:20:02,906 --> 00:20:06,786 Speaker 3: Yeah, but now he's he's awesome, Gig. 394 00:20:06,826 --> 00:20:09,826 Speaker 1: You finally get the special teams coordinator, Gig, and you're 395 00:20:09,826 --> 00:20:12,866 Speaker 1: now one of the thirty two in that role. How 396 00:20:12,866 --> 00:20:13,786 Speaker 1: did that come about? 397 00:20:14,946 --> 00:20:19,466 Speaker 3: Yeah? So I get a call after the Super Bowl 398 00:20:19,506 --> 00:20:21,546 Speaker 3: when we lost to Philly and I was still the 399 00:20:21,586 --> 00:20:25,346 Speaker 3: assistant in New England, and Frank Raich said, hey, there's 400 00:20:25,386 --> 00:20:27,986 Speaker 3: a chance I might be getting this this job in Indy. 401 00:20:28,426 --> 00:20:30,546 Speaker 3: Sure enough, he gets the job. He calls me on 402 00:20:30,626 --> 00:20:34,226 Speaker 3: Sunday night, We did a we did a zoom interview, 403 00:20:35,506 --> 00:20:38,426 Speaker 3: and then I found out shortly after that I had 404 00:20:38,706 --> 00:20:42,586 Speaker 3: earned the position, and it was crazy. Things happened so fast. 405 00:20:42,666 --> 00:20:47,226 Speaker 3: So loved my time in Indy. I really took everything 406 00:20:47,266 --> 00:20:50,266 Speaker 3: I learned in New England and throughout my career and 407 00:20:50,346 --> 00:20:53,506 Speaker 3: applied it to my own schemes. And my own really 408 00:20:53,546 --> 00:20:56,866 Speaker 3: beliefs and thoughts, I guess you would say, and had 409 00:20:56,946 --> 00:21:00,826 Speaker 3: a lot of really good units. Had pushed I think 410 00:21:01,346 --> 00:21:05,106 Speaker 3: three three year All pros down there, Luke Rhose, Ashton Dolan, 411 00:21:05,186 --> 00:21:09,386 Speaker 3: and George Odoin. So I'm proud of that. We had 412 00:21:09,386 --> 00:21:11,906 Speaker 3: really good units. We're in the top five mostly every year. 413 00:21:13,066 --> 00:21:14,946 Speaker 3: So it was, uh, it was. It was a really 414 00:21:14,946 --> 00:21:16,906 Speaker 3: good experience. We had some we had some good teams 415 00:21:16,946 --> 00:21:19,386 Speaker 3: and probably would have had even more success if we 416 00:21:19,386 --> 00:21:22,506 Speaker 3: would have more consistency at the quarterback position. We just 417 00:21:22,746 --> 00:21:25,546 Speaker 3: you know, Andrew Tires and then you have really a 418 00:21:25,586 --> 00:21:29,186 Speaker 3: different starter each year for the next four years. So 419 00:21:29,226 --> 00:21:31,546 Speaker 3: that was that was probably the most challenging part was 420 00:21:32,226 --> 00:21:34,986 Speaker 3: that that finding that position, and. 421 00:21:34,946 --> 00:21:37,106 Speaker 1: Then you get the Browns job and you're with Stefanski 422 00:21:37,386 --> 00:21:39,986 Speaker 1: and you're with Jim Schwartz. Do you guys have this 423 00:21:40,226 --> 00:21:43,346 Speaker 1: miracle run this year after Watson goes down with the injury? 424 00:21:43,346 --> 00:21:45,826 Speaker 1: What was it like second half of the season watching 425 00:21:45,866 --> 00:21:48,826 Speaker 1: Joe Flacco throw this offense on its back and then 426 00:21:48,906 --> 00:21:50,426 Speaker 1: the defense kind of do their job, and then of 427 00:21:50,426 --> 00:21:53,026 Speaker 1: course on special teams, you guys carry the load as well. 428 00:21:53,666 --> 00:21:56,506 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean tons of credit, tons of credit to 429 00:21:56,706 --> 00:22:00,746 Speaker 3: First off, our general manager Andrew Barry does an excellent 430 00:22:00,826 --> 00:22:05,066 Speaker 3: job both putting together a roster which sets you up 431 00:22:05,106 --> 00:22:08,466 Speaker 3: for success. Obviously, our personnel is really good. I feel 432 00:22:08,506 --> 00:22:11,346 Speaker 3: like we have one of, if not the most balanced 433 00:22:11,426 --> 00:22:13,666 Speaker 3: roster in the NFL. If you look at our offensive 434 00:22:13,666 --> 00:22:17,386 Speaker 3: and defensive personnel paired with our specialists and returners, I 435 00:22:17,386 --> 00:22:19,866 Speaker 3: think that we have one of, if not the best 436 00:22:19,986 --> 00:22:22,746 Speaker 3: roster in the league. And then our head coach does 437 00:22:22,786 --> 00:22:26,666 Speaker 3: a tremendous job just managing everything. And then and then 438 00:22:26,706 --> 00:22:28,746 Speaker 3: with the staff, like last year, we had a lot 439 00:22:28,786 --> 00:22:31,626 Speaker 3: of injuries. We were kind of decimated to a degree. Yeah, 440 00:22:31,666 --> 00:22:36,066 Speaker 3: and towards me and you know, a VP Kevin, like 441 00:22:36,186 --> 00:22:39,386 Speaker 3: those guys, we all just found a way to make 442 00:22:39,426 --> 00:22:43,986 Speaker 3: it work. Bill Callahan's on that staff. He's an incredible coach. 443 00:22:44,146 --> 00:22:45,586 Speaker 3: I know they had a number of injuries on the 444 00:22:45,626 --> 00:22:48,386 Speaker 3: offensive line. I really look up to him. He's a 445 00:22:48,386 --> 00:22:50,506 Speaker 3: big mentor of mind. I texted with him a couple 446 00:22:50,546 --> 00:22:52,626 Speaker 3: of weeks ago. But I love that, really love that 447 00:22:52,706 --> 00:22:57,066 Speaker 3: guy man. But no, I think the in tons of 448 00:22:57,106 --> 00:22:59,586 Speaker 3: credit to the players, you know, I think when you 449 00:22:59,586 --> 00:23:01,866 Speaker 3: get in a position you have injuries throughout the season, 450 00:23:01,946 --> 00:23:04,146 Speaker 3: you're you know, and you and you had and you 451 00:23:04,186 --> 00:23:06,346 Speaker 3: are kind of decimating and you're looking for the next guys. 452 00:23:06,786 --> 00:23:10,346 Speaker 3: How well can you prepare and train the players that 453 00:23:10,386 --> 00:23:12,986 Speaker 3: aren't on the roster, right, that aren't on the fifty 454 00:23:13,026 --> 00:23:14,986 Speaker 3: three man the guys that are on this practice squad, 455 00:23:14,986 --> 00:23:17,346 Speaker 3: because really the practice squad is an extension of the roster. 456 00:23:17,466 --> 00:23:19,706 Speaker 3: When you're looking to sign a guy, when a guy 457 00:23:19,746 --> 00:23:21,986 Speaker 3: gets injured, you really want to be able to pull 458 00:23:22,026 --> 00:23:25,466 Speaker 3: from that that sixteen man practice squad because those guys 459 00:23:25,946 --> 00:23:28,546 Speaker 3: know your terminology, they know your scheme, they know what 460 00:23:28,786 --> 00:23:32,306 Speaker 3: is expected, they know what the expectations are, rather than 461 00:23:32,346 --> 00:23:35,906 Speaker 3: signing a guy off the street. So a lot goes 462 00:23:35,946 --> 00:23:38,386 Speaker 3: into the development of those players. And that really goes 463 00:23:38,426 --> 00:23:41,306 Speaker 3: back to like offseason program, training camp. 464 00:23:41,346 --> 00:23:44,466 Speaker 1: Preseason, preseason, and then like you know, we always say 465 00:23:44,466 --> 00:23:46,426 Speaker 1: like preseason doesn't matter, just cut of the two games, 466 00:23:46,466 --> 00:23:48,906 Speaker 1: but you better believe that third preseason game that's where 467 00:23:48,906 --> 00:23:50,266 Speaker 1: you find those guys. 468 00:23:50,026 --> 00:23:52,586 Speaker 3: No doubt, no doubt. And you know, I think that 469 00:23:52,786 --> 00:23:56,106 Speaker 3: our coaching staff, offense, defense, special teams, we did a 470 00:23:56,106 --> 00:23:58,226 Speaker 3: good job of that last year because we did have 471 00:23:58,226 --> 00:24:00,786 Speaker 3: to play a lot of those guys that weren't on 472 00:24:00,826 --> 00:24:01,586 Speaker 3: the active roster. 473 00:24:02,386 --> 00:24:05,226 Speaker 1: Let me ask you about Flacco, because now he's with 474 00:24:05,306 --> 00:24:08,066 Speaker 1: the Colts. He's at your old But like I thought 475 00:24:08,106 --> 00:24:10,986 Speaker 1: he was done. I saw him as a Jets quarter. 476 00:24:11,826 --> 00:24:13,946 Speaker 1: It's gonna be forgotten in like the history of NFL. 477 00:24:13,946 --> 00:24:15,986 Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about Joe Flacco's twenty twenty 478 00:24:16,066 --> 00:24:18,106 Speaker 1: four seed the twenty twenty three season because you guys 479 00:24:18,146 --> 00:24:20,386 Speaker 1: lost in the first round and it was whatever. I 480 00:24:20,386 --> 00:24:22,626 Speaker 1: thought that was miraculous what he did off off the street, 481 00:24:22,666 --> 00:24:23,386 Speaker 1: it was incredible. 482 00:24:24,146 --> 00:24:26,106 Speaker 3: I got I kind of got chills a little bit 483 00:24:26,226 --> 00:24:30,226 Speaker 3: right now, Peter, you know, just thinking about how he 484 00:24:30,266 --> 00:24:32,786 Speaker 3: came into that situation. First off, the first day he 485 00:24:32,826 --> 00:24:35,266 Speaker 3: comes in, he runs a seven up red zone, seven 486 00:24:35,266 --> 00:24:38,106 Speaker 3: on seven period and a ball doesn't touch the ground. 487 00:24:38,226 --> 00:24:42,146 Speaker 3: He just right. He shreds our defense like shreds our defense, 488 00:24:42,506 --> 00:24:46,106 Speaker 3: and it was consistent when Joe was out there. He's accurate, 489 00:24:46,186 --> 00:24:49,026 Speaker 3: he's got a big arm. I really like the guy. 490 00:24:49,106 --> 00:24:51,746 Speaker 3: I think he's he's a locker room guy, and I 491 00:24:51,786 --> 00:24:54,506 Speaker 3: think a lot of our guys gravitated towards him. 492 00:24:54,426 --> 00:24:56,506 Speaker 1: But not a run ra guy like Iron him a 493 00:24:56,586 --> 00:24:58,986 Speaker 1: whole career. He won't say a word until you come 494 00:24:59,066 --> 00:25:00,626 Speaker 1: up to him and engage, like. 495 00:25:00,666 --> 00:25:02,466 Speaker 3: Not at all. But I will say this though, like 496 00:25:02,546 --> 00:25:06,146 Speaker 3: there's times where you can see the interactions between him 497 00:25:06,186 --> 00:25:09,306 Speaker 3: and and some of the receivers, like if they ran 498 00:25:09,346 --> 00:25:11,226 Speaker 3: the wrong route or that he expected them to be 499 00:25:11,226 --> 00:25:13,426 Speaker 3: in a different spot. He would get after those guys 500 00:25:14,146 --> 00:25:18,226 Speaker 3: and they understood that, and those guys played hard for him, 501 00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:21,466 Speaker 3: and our team kind of rallied around him and found 502 00:25:21,466 --> 00:25:23,506 Speaker 3: a way to get into the playoffs. 503 00:25:23,866 --> 00:25:27,146 Speaker 1: Yeah, last question on the roster Deshaun Watson, if he 504 00:25:27,146 --> 00:25:29,146 Speaker 1: had you know, obviously you're around the team now, like 505 00:25:29,266 --> 00:25:31,266 Speaker 1: is there hope, is their optimism? What's the feeling on 506 00:25:31,306 --> 00:25:33,586 Speaker 1: Watson as the quarterback from your vantage point as one 507 00:25:33,586 --> 00:25:35,546 Speaker 1: of the coaches. I'm sure everyone in the building is 508 00:25:35,626 --> 00:25:37,026 Speaker 1: ju said he's going to be back on the field 509 00:25:37,026 --> 00:25:38,626 Speaker 1: and then it's all right, we're going to get to 510 00:25:38,666 --> 00:25:40,586 Speaker 1: the Shawn that we knew when you were in Indie 511 00:25:40,586 --> 00:25:42,066 Speaker 1: and he was in Houston Or are we getting just 512 00:25:42,146 --> 00:25:43,706 Speaker 1: this question mark that we're not sure what he is 513 00:25:43,786 --> 00:25:44,186 Speaker 1: right now? 514 00:25:44,706 --> 00:25:47,746 Speaker 3: First off, when when that guy's when he's going, he's 515 00:25:47,906 --> 00:25:50,226 Speaker 3: he is really tough to stop. I know the first hand. 516 00:25:50,226 --> 00:25:53,866 Speaker 3: Whenever I was coaching in Indy was he was a 517 00:25:53,906 --> 00:25:56,546 Speaker 3: headache to prepare for. He was a headache to prepare for. 518 00:25:56,666 --> 00:26:00,426 Speaker 3: I feel like he is definitely trending to be back 519 00:26:00,466 --> 00:26:02,626 Speaker 3: to that, to be back to that level. I think 520 00:26:02,666 --> 00:26:05,146 Speaker 3: he looked really good. He threw a ball at the 521 00:26:05,226 --> 00:26:09,746 Speaker 3: end of the last day mini camp to Elijah. They 522 00:26:09,786 --> 00:26:12,866 Speaker 3: almost connected on it, but he had to buy a time, 523 00:26:12,946 --> 00:26:15,466 Speaker 3: scramble to his left, set his feet and throw this ball. 524 00:26:16,066 --> 00:26:19,466 Speaker 3: He probably threw the ball sixty yards I mean on 525 00:26:19,626 --> 00:26:22,706 Speaker 3: a dome too, I mean, and it's it is exciting 526 00:26:22,746 --> 00:26:24,466 Speaker 3: to be able to see him get back and work 527 00:26:24,546 --> 00:26:26,866 Speaker 3: hard to get back to that level. And I think 528 00:26:26,906 --> 00:26:30,986 Speaker 3: our whole organization is excited for him to be back. 529 00:26:31,186 --> 00:26:33,986 Speaker 1: Fired enough to see him. Okay, so there's these new 530 00:26:34,066 --> 00:26:37,106 Speaker 1: special teams rules. Let's stick on the kickoffs here. But but 531 00:26:37,586 --> 00:26:40,466 Speaker 1: the when the rules came out, it didn't even like 532 00:26:40,666 --> 00:26:43,746 Speaker 1: lead Sports Center, it didn't lead Good Morning Football. It's 533 00:26:43,786 --> 00:26:45,186 Speaker 1: kind of a blurb like, oh, yeah, there's been a 534 00:26:45,226 --> 00:26:47,146 Speaker 1: rule that's been passed, and there's all these diagrams and 535 00:26:47,626 --> 00:26:49,066 Speaker 1: I kind of checked it out and I was like, 536 00:26:49,266 --> 00:26:52,386 Speaker 1: I guess everyone in the league has been texting me 537 00:26:52,506 --> 00:26:55,466 Speaker 1: during OTAs and Manfreid mini camps being like, why are 538 00:26:55,506 --> 00:26:58,706 Speaker 1: you guys not talking about the special teams rule changes? Enough? 539 00:26:58,746 --> 00:27:01,986 Speaker 1: It is going to be revolutionary and it's also going 540 00:27:02,066 --> 00:27:05,946 Speaker 1: to separate the great special teams units from the mediocre units. 541 00:27:06,506 --> 00:27:08,866 Speaker 1: Take us through your knowledge of the rules, when you 542 00:27:08,946 --> 00:27:11,266 Speaker 1: got the news and what you've been doing in the lab. 543 00:27:11,666 --> 00:27:13,346 Speaker 1: Not giving away any secrets, but what are some of 544 00:27:13,346 --> 00:27:14,986 Speaker 1: the possibilities that could be done? Because I think a 545 00:27:14,986 --> 00:27:18,146 Speaker 1: lot of listeners might not even know what the changes are. 546 00:27:18,866 --> 00:27:22,866 Speaker 3: Sure, So I would say first, I think everyone needs 547 00:27:22,866 --> 00:27:25,746 Speaker 3: to understand, like the returner value is going to go 548 00:27:25,866 --> 00:27:28,666 Speaker 3: up tremendously because now I think that with the amount 549 00:27:28,666 --> 00:27:31,186 Speaker 3: of balls that are going to be returned, that's just 550 00:27:31,266 --> 00:27:36,826 Speaker 3: another opportunity for it's somewhat of an offensive play. So 551 00:27:37,026 --> 00:27:40,306 Speaker 3: you need to have multiple returners as well. So, how 552 00:27:40,346 --> 00:27:42,986 Speaker 3: the kickoff play goes right now is the ball is 553 00:27:43,026 --> 00:27:46,466 Speaker 3: still kicked from the minus thirty five. However, the kickoff 554 00:27:46,506 --> 00:27:49,586 Speaker 3: team is aligned on a plus forty. You need to 555 00:27:49,626 --> 00:27:52,186 Speaker 3: align with and its similar alignments to what they were 556 00:27:52,226 --> 00:27:54,306 Speaker 3: in the past. You need to have two guys outside 557 00:27:54,306 --> 00:27:56,946 Speaker 3: the numbers on each side, two guys in between the 558 00:27:57,026 --> 00:27:58,986 Speaker 3: numbers in the in the hash, and then you had 559 00:27:59,746 --> 00:28:02,266 Speaker 3: the fifth guy to the L five and R five 560 00:28:02,786 --> 00:28:04,626 Speaker 3: need to be in between the hashes. They can be 561 00:28:04,666 --> 00:28:07,866 Speaker 3: anywhere in between the hashes. So they're already on the 562 00:28:07,866 --> 00:28:11,706 Speaker 3: plus forty. The return unit, okay, the return unit. There's 563 00:28:11,746 --> 00:28:15,106 Speaker 3: a setup zone that's from the minus thirty five to 564 00:28:15,186 --> 00:28:17,186 Speaker 3: the minus thirty. There's nine guys. 565 00:28:16,946 --> 00:28:19,386 Speaker 2: In that area in a five yard span and a 566 00:28:19,426 --> 00:28:20,226 Speaker 2: five yard span. 567 00:28:20,506 --> 00:28:22,746 Speaker 3: I won't get in all the alignment, no, no, no, but 568 00:28:22,826 --> 00:28:25,506 Speaker 3: I said there's nine guys there. Seven of those guys 569 00:28:25,546 --> 00:28:27,866 Speaker 3: have to be on the thirty five yard line. Two 570 00:28:27,866 --> 00:28:31,586 Speaker 3: of those guys have to be in that right, they can't. 571 00:28:31,986 --> 00:28:35,466 Speaker 3: Once the ball is kicked, nobody can move. So there's 572 00:28:35,506 --> 00:28:37,866 Speaker 3: like a grace period of like them to get set. 573 00:28:38,266 --> 00:28:40,266 Speaker 3: They're going to give you quote ample time to be 574 00:28:40,306 --> 00:28:43,106 Speaker 3: aligned and be able to react to the kickoff unit. 575 00:28:43,226 --> 00:28:46,066 Speaker 3: So you have nine guys in that area. There's a 576 00:28:46,346 --> 00:28:49,186 Speaker 3: So that's the setup zone. The landing zone is from 577 00:28:49,186 --> 00:28:53,026 Speaker 3: the minus twenty right, I'm sorry, from the plus twenty 578 00:28:53,106 --> 00:28:56,786 Speaker 3: to the goal to the goal line. The ball. If 579 00:28:56,826 --> 00:28:59,146 Speaker 3: the ball is kicked kicked off and the ball is 580 00:28:59,226 --> 00:29:01,146 Speaker 3: kicked into the end zone in the air, and the 581 00:29:01,226 --> 00:29:04,906 Speaker 3: returner catches it and takes a knee, it's a touchback, 582 00:29:05,066 --> 00:29:07,706 Speaker 3: but the ball goes to the thirty yard line. Okay, 583 00:29:07,866 --> 00:29:10,706 Speaker 3: so touchback goes to the thirty. If a ball is 584 00:29:10,826 --> 00:29:13,826 Speaker 3: kicked in the air, say the ball hits in the 585 00:29:13,946 --> 00:29:16,746 Speaker 3: landing zone on the ground, hits the fifteen and rolls 586 00:29:16,746 --> 00:29:20,106 Speaker 3: into the end zone and you take a knee, it's 587 00:29:20,106 --> 00:29:22,546 Speaker 3: a touchback, but the ball goes to the twenty yard line. 588 00:29:22,586 --> 00:29:24,306 Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right, right. 589 00:29:24,866 --> 00:29:27,866 Speaker 3: If the ball falls short of the twenty yard line. 590 00:29:27,866 --> 00:29:30,346 Speaker 3: If the ball's kicked and hits at the twenty two 591 00:29:30,426 --> 00:29:33,626 Speaker 3: yard line and goes into the setup or to the 592 00:29:33,706 --> 00:29:37,306 Speaker 3: landing zone, it's a touch back. Or I'm sorry, it's 593 00:29:37,346 --> 00:29:39,146 Speaker 3: like the ball was kicked out of bounds. The ball 594 00:29:39,186 --> 00:29:40,506 Speaker 3: goes to the forty yard line. 595 00:29:40,546 --> 00:29:42,746 Speaker 1: Interesting, so you have to kick it to at least 596 00:29:43,026 --> 00:29:44,626 Speaker 1: the twenty if you're. 597 00:29:45,266 --> 00:29:48,266 Speaker 3: So the thought processes, and it feels like they're trying 598 00:29:48,306 --> 00:29:50,346 Speaker 3: to trying to incentivize returns. 599 00:29:50,666 --> 00:29:50,906 Speaker 1: Yep. 600 00:29:50,946 --> 00:29:53,706 Speaker 3: So there's a lot of people that feel that they're 601 00:29:53,906 --> 00:29:56,226 Speaker 3: that some teams are going to try to be trying 602 00:29:56,266 --> 00:29:58,986 Speaker 3: to get the ball on the ground because the kickoff 603 00:29:59,066 --> 00:30:02,266 Speaker 3: unit and the kickoff returning unit can't move until the 604 00:30:02,306 --> 00:30:05,146 Speaker 3: ball hits the ground or the ball was touched. 605 00:30:05,466 --> 00:30:07,186 Speaker 1: You're frozen. You're not not allowed to move. It's like 606 00:30:07,226 --> 00:30:09,706 Speaker 1: a penalty. It's like, you know, whatever, it's the whole thing, 607 00:30:09,706 --> 00:30:11,706 Speaker 1: whatever it is, whatever the call will be, you cannot move. 608 00:30:11,746 --> 00:30:13,946 Speaker 1: You have to be frozen until that ball hits the ground. 609 00:30:14,026 --> 00:30:15,186 Speaker 3: Or as touched or none. 610 00:30:15,306 --> 00:30:15,546 Speaker 1: Yeah. 611 00:30:15,906 --> 00:30:18,946 Speaker 3: Also, every ball needs to be down. So like in 612 00:30:18,986 --> 00:30:21,186 Speaker 3: the past, you see guys do like the iron cross, 613 00:30:21,386 --> 00:30:24,786 Speaker 3: they stand up and do the iron cross. You have 614 00:30:24,826 --> 00:30:28,226 Speaker 3: to every ball has to be possessed and taking a 615 00:30:28,306 --> 00:30:30,906 Speaker 3: knee of if you want to have a touchback. Okay, 616 00:30:30,946 --> 00:30:33,786 Speaker 3: so a lot of people think that, and I think 617 00:30:33,826 --> 00:30:36,466 Speaker 3: there's some concern that the ball may like teams are 618 00:30:36,466 --> 00:30:38,706 Speaker 3: going to try to get the ball on the ground now. Look, 619 00:30:39,346 --> 00:30:41,186 Speaker 3: so to kick a line like to kick a line 620 00:30:41,266 --> 00:30:44,746 Speaker 3: drive or a soccer type style of kick, there's definitely 621 00:30:44,786 --> 00:30:47,106 Speaker 3: definitely some risk with that, like we call like a 622 00:30:47,146 --> 00:30:49,626 Speaker 3: mishit ball, yeah, because if you don't hit the ball 623 00:30:49,666 --> 00:30:51,866 Speaker 3: clean or hit the ball flush, or aren't as accurate 624 00:30:51,866 --> 00:30:53,826 Speaker 3: with the ball and it falls short into the forty 625 00:30:53,866 --> 00:30:56,946 Speaker 3: yard line to the forty But now you have like 626 00:30:56,986 --> 00:30:59,506 Speaker 3: and we're preparing for a soccer style kicker for week one, 627 00:30:59,626 --> 00:31:04,186 Speaker 3: and Brandon Aubrey in Dallas soccer player, you know, good 628 00:31:04,226 --> 00:31:06,986 Speaker 3: control of the ball. I already read that he's working 629 00:31:07,026 --> 00:31:08,106 Speaker 3: on the I'm. 630 00:31:08,026 --> 00:31:09,906 Speaker 1: Sure, okay, this is going to be the scouting reports. 631 00:31:09,986 --> 00:31:12,666 Speaker 1: This guy's been working for seventeen hours. Run now the 632 00:31:12,666 --> 00:31:13,346 Speaker 1: perfect kick. 633 00:31:13,626 --> 00:31:16,546 Speaker 3: You have to prepare your returners to field some type 634 00:31:16,546 --> 00:31:19,106 Speaker 3: of ball like that, and now you're now the ball 635 00:31:19,226 --> 00:31:22,506 Speaker 3: handling really is important in the back end because if 636 00:31:22,546 --> 00:31:24,946 Speaker 3: you can't cover until the ball is tous or hits 637 00:31:24,946 --> 00:31:28,466 Speaker 3: the ground, It's like now that there's a lot of 638 00:31:28,466 --> 00:31:33,026 Speaker 3: space between the kickoffs and the returner. So the ball 639 00:31:33,106 --> 00:31:35,986 Speaker 3: hits the ground, now the kickoff team can go and 640 00:31:36,026 --> 00:31:38,266 Speaker 3: now the ball is still not possessed. Like you got 641 00:31:38,266 --> 00:31:39,826 Speaker 3: to do a good job of being able to field 642 00:31:39,826 --> 00:31:40,226 Speaker 3: that thing. 643 00:31:40,746 --> 00:31:42,746 Speaker 1: Okay, So is there an advantage to having like your 644 00:31:42,826 --> 00:31:46,386 Speaker 1: number one, the number two, number three wide receivers as 645 00:31:46,426 --> 00:31:48,626 Speaker 1: your returners because they have the best hands, Because isn't 646 00:31:48,626 --> 00:31:50,026 Speaker 1: that now going to be more important? I think if 647 00:31:50,146 --> 00:31:51,986 Speaker 1: especially there's these squid kicks and these soccer. 648 00:31:51,746 --> 00:31:54,386 Speaker 3: Balls, I think that there's a chance that you're going 649 00:31:54,426 --> 00:31:56,466 Speaker 3: to see that I think that there's definitely going to 650 00:31:56,546 --> 00:32:00,306 Speaker 3: be some element of you're going to see punt return skime, 651 00:32:00,466 --> 00:32:02,826 Speaker 3: punt return type schemes. You're also going to see some 652 00:32:02,906 --> 00:32:05,946 Speaker 3: kick return type schemes. You're going to see different types 653 00:32:05,946 --> 00:32:08,386 Speaker 3: of blocking, and you're going to see you're allowed to 654 00:32:08,426 --> 00:32:10,866 Speaker 3: like right away, like when the bass touster hits a ground, 655 00:32:10,906 --> 00:32:12,386 Speaker 3: you can go right at the kick, you can go 656 00:32:12,466 --> 00:32:14,266 Speaker 3: right at the kickoff teams. You don't have to wait. 657 00:32:15,386 --> 00:32:19,066 Speaker 3: You're gonna see like you're gonna see attack blocks, You're 658 00:32:19,066 --> 00:32:22,426 Speaker 3: gonna see some guys take a few yard drops. You're 659 00:32:22,426 --> 00:32:24,586 Speaker 3: gonna see a lot of different schemes like that. But 660 00:32:24,626 --> 00:32:26,546 Speaker 3: I think also, I think there's really gonna be a 661 00:32:26,586 --> 00:32:29,106 Speaker 3: lot of value on the guys in the back end 662 00:32:29,266 --> 00:32:32,306 Speaker 3: as a returner because I think that there's definitely opportunity 663 00:32:32,946 --> 00:32:35,066 Speaker 3: for those guys. I think you're also going to see 664 00:32:35,266 --> 00:32:37,186 Speaker 3: on the kickoff side of it, you're gonna see some 665 00:32:37,226 --> 00:32:40,146 Speaker 3: different body types. You're going to see some different types 666 00:32:40,146 --> 00:32:40,866 Speaker 3: of body types. 667 00:32:41,146 --> 00:32:43,426 Speaker 1: Let's talk about that. Because we had justin Reid on 668 00:32:43,586 --> 00:32:46,266 Speaker 1: two weeks ago from the chiefs Uh. It was because 669 00:32:46,266 --> 00:32:48,986 Speaker 1: he won a chess championship amongst all the players in 670 00:32:49,026 --> 00:32:51,386 Speaker 1: the NFL. He was the NFL's chess champion. I thought 671 00:32:51,386 --> 00:32:53,186 Speaker 1: that was pretty interesting. So we're talking about it. A 672 00:32:53,266 --> 00:32:56,666 Speaker 1: day later, Dave Talb, their special teams coach, comes out 673 00:32:56,666 --> 00:32:59,986 Speaker 1: and says, we might have Justin do kickoffs because of 674 00:32:59,986 --> 00:33:01,546 Speaker 1: the way it is, like you're going to need a 675 00:33:01,586 --> 00:33:04,866 Speaker 1: tackler from the kicking spot, Like your kicker has to 676 00:33:04,906 --> 00:33:06,426 Speaker 1: be able to tackle. There's gonna be all these returns, 677 00:33:06,626 --> 00:33:09,226 Speaker 1: and if Justin can kick the ball forty yards, we'd 678 00:33:09,226 --> 00:33:11,986 Speaker 1: almost rather have him than Bucker, who's our field goal kicker. 679 00:33:12,746 --> 00:33:15,066 Speaker 1: But we might as well have eleven guys who can tackle. 680 00:33:16,546 --> 00:33:18,466 Speaker 1: Have you guys thinker of with that idea that maybe 681 00:33:18,466 --> 00:33:20,426 Speaker 1: there's a player on the team that can kick the 682 00:33:20,426 --> 00:33:22,906 Speaker 1: ball and do a kickoff just fine, good enough in 683 00:33:22,986 --> 00:33:24,986 Speaker 1: these new rules, and that maybe we want a non 684 00:33:25,066 --> 00:33:28,546 Speaker 1: kicker to be our kickoff specialist. 685 00:33:28,906 --> 00:33:33,306 Speaker 3: So two years ago, Bucker got hurt at Arizona in 686 00:33:33,306 --> 00:33:35,506 Speaker 3: in game, mid game, he got hurt, and Justin Reid 687 00:33:35,626 --> 00:33:38,746 Speaker 3: came on, he kicked off, and he kicked field goals 688 00:33:38,906 --> 00:33:41,466 Speaker 3: and extra points for the rest of the game. I 689 00:33:41,466 --> 00:33:44,666 Speaker 3: will say this, he's he's an excellent kicker. He has 690 00:33:44,706 --> 00:33:46,666 Speaker 3: a soccer background. And the reason I know this because 691 00:33:46,666 --> 00:33:48,706 Speaker 3: I know his younger or his older brother Eric I 692 00:33:48,706 --> 00:33:52,466 Speaker 3: played with San Fran and he also played soccer, so 693 00:33:52,466 --> 00:33:55,386 Speaker 3: those guys have a soccer background. I will say this though, 694 00:33:55,426 --> 00:33:58,786 Speaker 3: like there and you may see kickers make a few 695 00:33:58,786 --> 00:34:02,546 Speaker 3: more tackles because if the ball is short and the 696 00:34:02,586 --> 00:34:04,546 Speaker 3: returners up on, the returner can get up on that 697 00:34:04,626 --> 00:34:08,066 Speaker 3: kickoff team quick, things can get loose like and I 698 00:34:08,066 --> 00:34:09,786 Speaker 3: don't want to get too much into like scheme and 699 00:34:09,786 --> 00:34:14,106 Speaker 3: things like that, but you're also putting a non professional 700 00:34:14,226 --> 00:34:17,746 Speaker 3: kicker at that position. Yep, So like to me, there 701 00:34:17,826 --> 00:34:21,026 Speaker 3: there's definitely a risk to putting a player, a position 702 00:34:21,106 --> 00:34:23,466 Speaker 3: player at that spot. And yeah, you could say it's 703 00:34:23,506 --> 00:34:25,506 Speaker 3: easy to kick it to get the ball into the 704 00:34:25,546 --> 00:34:28,626 Speaker 3: twenty yard line or to the twenty yard line, but 705 00:34:29,146 --> 00:34:32,586 Speaker 3: there's always chance for a miss hit. There's weather conditions 706 00:34:32,586 --> 00:34:36,386 Speaker 3: that play into into effect. And then also like as 707 00:34:36,386 --> 00:34:41,546 Speaker 3: a kicker, you're using you use different muscles than you 708 00:34:41,546 --> 00:34:43,866 Speaker 3: do as a position player, Like you're going to really 709 00:34:43,866 --> 00:34:46,346 Speaker 3: have to train and kick off a lot of balls. 710 00:34:46,346 --> 00:34:50,426 Speaker 3: I think that you're risking like injuries. Yeah, with those 711 00:34:50,666 --> 00:34:53,626 Speaker 3: putting a position player, especially in guy, I mean just 712 00:34:53,666 --> 00:34:57,066 Speaker 3: in reads like a like a Pro Bowl Cali. 713 00:34:56,666 --> 00:34:58,866 Speaker 1: And like a captain on the team. Yeah. 714 00:34:58,906 --> 00:35:02,026 Speaker 3: I mean, I think there's definitely some validity to it. 715 00:35:02,106 --> 00:35:04,906 Speaker 3: And I think that there's, you know, some advantage to 716 00:35:04,986 --> 00:35:08,026 Speaker 3: having a position player at the kicker if he's that good. 717 00:35:08,906 --> 00:35:11,226 Speaker 3: And maybe and maybe look maybe justin Reeda is that good. 718 00:35:11,306 --> 00:35:13,386 Speaker 3: I just I haven't seen it in person enough. 719 00:35:13,906 --> 00:35:18,226 Speaker 1: Yeah, let me because I gotta think this is like 720 00:35:19,346 --> 00:35:20,866 Speaker 1: as much of a burden as it is to learn 721 00:35:20,906 --> 00:35:23,546 Speaker 1: new rules like this has to be thirty two kids 722 00:35:23,546 --> 00:35:25,666 Speaker 1: in a candy store, all your special teams coaches about 723 00:35:25,706 --> 00:35:29,066 Speaker 1: all the new creative in different ways. And you're watching UFL, 724 00:35:29,106 --> 00:35:32,346 Speaker 1: I'm sure, and you're watching old XFL and Canadian Football League. 725 00:35:32,706 --> 00:35:35,066 Speaker 1: Are you having a blast like scheming up all possibilities 726 00:35:35,066 --> 00:35:36,346 Speaker 1: of all new things with these new rules. 727 00:35:36,906 --> 00:35:37,106 Speaker 2: Yeah. 728 00:35:37,106 --> 00:35:39,866 Speaker 3: And I think you know, as we get into as 729 00:35:39,866 --> 00:35:42,466 Speaker 3: we get into training camp, you're gonna see just a 730 00:35:42,506 --> 00:35:44,826 Speaker 3: lot of and I've been saying this throughout the whole spring, 731 00:35:45,066 --> 00:35:46,866 Speaker 3: it's gonna be a lot of trial and error because 732 00:35:46,906 --> 00:35:49,506 Speaker 3: once we get pads on, you're really gonna see what 733 00:35:49,546 --> 00:35:53,106 Speaker 3: you like as far as the concepts and the techniques, 734 00:35:53,146 --> 00:35:55,866 Speaker 3: the schemes, everything that comes with it once you have 735 00:35:55,946 --> 00:35:57,586 Speaker 3: pads on. You can only do so much when you 736 00:35:57,586 --> 00:35:59,786 Speaker 3: don't have pads on, but we can kind of we 737 00:35:59,866 --> 00:36:04,186 Speaker 3: can gauge to this point right now, the spacing, the timing, 738 00:36:04,706 --> 00:36:07,426 Speaker 3: but I think the actual the blocking toechniques in those 739 00:36:07,466 --> 00:36:09,626 Speaker 3: things you're going to see more, especially in the early 740 00:36:09,666 --> 00:36:11,306 Speaker 3: part of training camp, once you have pads on. 741 00:36:12,066 --> 00:36:14,826 Speaker 1: Is there a thought process of, you know what, this 742 00:36:14,906 --> 00:36:17,826 Speaker 1: seems like this really is an advantage for the return team. 743 00:36:18,066 --> 00:36:19,706 Speaker 1: Let's just boot the hell of the ball and just 744 00:36:19,786 --> 00:36:21,746 Speaker 1: give them a touch back every single time. Is there 745 00:36:21,746 --> 00:36:24,146 Speaker 1: a philosophy in that now as well, where let's not 746 00:36:24,186 --> 00:36:25,666 Speaker 1: even mess with this, let's just kick the ball through 747 00:36:25,666 --> 00:36:27,266 Speaker 1: the uprights every single time, and we'll start at the 748 00:36:27,306 --> 00:36:28,346 Speaker 1: thirty and we'll call it a day. 749 00:36:29,026 --> 00:36:32,506 Speaker 3: I think, honestly, everything depends on how confident and as 750 00:36:32,586 --> 00:36:35,706 Speaker 3: the play evolves and as it goes on, how confident 751 00:36:35,746 --> 00:36:40,066 Speaker 3: you feel in number one, your personnel, like the guys 752 00:36:40,106 --> 00:36:42,426 Speaker 3: you're actually putting out there to tackle the return team. 753 00:36:42,626 --> 00:36:45,666 Speaker 3: So how confident are you in the personnel that's really 754 00:36:45,666 --> 00:36:49,426 Speaker 3: going to dictate the play to me? And how confident 755 00:36:49,426 --> 00:36:51,106 Speaker 3: you are to put your players in a position to 756 00:36:51,146 --> 00:36:53,266 Speaker 3: make a play both on both sides of the ball. 757 00:36:53,946 --> 00:36:56,426 Speaker 3: But I think that I think you'll see all more 758 00:36:56,506 --> 00:37:00,706 Speaker 3: balls returned that are even kicked into the end zone. Now, 759 00:37:01,066 --> 00:37:02,626 Speaker 3: just because the ball is kicked in the air into 760 00:37:02,706 --> 00:37:04,266 Speaker 3: the end zone doesn't mean that it's going to be 761 00:37:04,306 --> 00:37:05,666 Speaker 3: a touchback totally. 762 00:37:06,546 --> 00:37:08,666 Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, I'm trying to put it all together, and 763 00:37:08,706 --> 00:37:11,706 Speaker 1: then I'm like, all right, here's what I envision it. 764 00:37:11,706 --> 00:37:14,026 Speaker 1: Tell me if I'm wrong. There's a Thursday night game 765 00:37:14,106 --> 00:37:16,506 Speaker 1: to start the season Chiefs Ravens. There's going to be 766 00:37:16,546 --> 00:37:18,586 Speaker 1: a couple of people be like whoa new kickoff rules. 767 00:37:18,986 --> 00:37:22,266 Speaker 1: Then there's the Friday game Packers Eagles. Well, I think 768 00:37:22,386 --> 00:37:25,026 Speaker 1: that Sunday there's going to be a slew of either 769 00:37:25,106 --> 00:37:29,786 Speaker 1: mistakes or crazy like trick play roll out the back. 770 00:37:29,826 --> 00:37:31,946 Speaker 1: We've been practicing this all summer. Let's keep it. Like, 771 00:37:32,026 --> 00:37:34,426 Speaker 1: am I wrong that the story of Week one Sunday 772 00:37:34,506 --> 00:37:36,786 Speaker 1: is going to be the kickoff returns and there's going 773 00:37:36,826 --> 00:37:38,386 Speaker 1: to be there a couple of touchdowns or a couple 774 00:37:38,426 --> 00:37:40,786 Speaker 1: of giant gaffs and mistakes that we're looking at because 775 00:37:40,826 --> 00:37:42,466 Speaker 1: teams have been trying to do something and they might 776 00:37:42,466 --> 00:37:43,426 Speaker 1: not be able to execute it. 777 00:37:44,066 --> 00:37:46,066 Speaker 3: I think that I think you're right on bar with it. 778 00:37:46,106 --> 00:37:48,066 Speaker 3: I do. I agree with you, and I think that 779 00:37:48,186 --> 00:37:49,666 Speaker 3: in the early part of the season, you're going to 780 00:37:49,706 --> 00:37:52,746 Speaker 3: see a lot of a lot of copycat. You know, 781 00:37:52,746 --> 00:37:54,586 Speaker 3: you're going to see a lot of copycat, especially and 782 00:37:54,706 --> 00:37:56,746 Speaker 3: even in preseason. I think you're going to teams are 783 00:37:56,746 --> 00:37:59,266 Speaker 3: going to show more than they normally would show in 784 00:37:59,306 --> 00:38:02,626 Speaker 3: the past because everybody's still trying to come along and 785 00:38:02,626 --> 00:38:05,546 Speaker 3: and understand it and want to have the best the 786 00:38:05,586 --> 00:38:07,906 Speaker 3: best way to to be able to make plays. And 787 00:38:07,946 --> 00:38:10,306 Speaker 3: I think that there's going to be a lot of 788 00:38:10,346 --> 00:38:11,346 Speaker 3: that in the preseason. 789 00:38:12,466 --> 00:38:15,346 Speaker 1: Would you argue that this is the biggest window for 790 00:38:15,346 --> 00:38:17,826 Speaker 1: special teams coordinators and special teams units to kind of 791 00:38:17,866 --> 00:38:20,546 Speaker 1: stand out and say, hey, this is what we bring. Obviously, 792 00:38:20,546 --> 00:38:22,546 Speaker 1: we see long field goals and we're like, oh, that 793 00:38:22,626 --> 00:38:25,546 Speaker 1: kicker is great, or we see a punter just you know, 794 00:38:25,626 --> 00:38:27,946 Speaker 1: nail a bunch in the you know, within the ten 795 00:38:28,026 --> 00:38:30,346 Speaker 1: yard line, we're like, oh, that punters great. But now 796 00:38:30,386 --> 00:38:33,506 Speaker 1: the unit and the kickoff return unit, the kickoff coverage, 797 00:38:33,506 --> 00:38:36,266 Speaker 1: you have special teams coordinators who can kind of butt up. 798 00:38:36,946 --> 00:38:39,306 Speaker 1: Do you feel like this is your opportunity to kind 799 00:38:39,346 --> 00:38:40,946 Speaker 1: of flex and showcase. 800 00:38:43,466 --> 00:38:45,666 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel like I'm I'm excited for 801 00:38:45,706 --> 00:38:48,026 Speaker 3: the opportunity. I really am for the play. I think, 802 00:38:48,266 --> 00:38:50,466 Speaker 3: I think for the game. I feel like, you know, 803 00:38:50,786 --> 00:38:54,386 Speaker 3: when I played and guys that played before me, the 804 00:38:54,466 --> 00:38:57,386 Speaker 3: kickoff has always been an exciting play and to be 805 00:38:57,386 --> 00:39:00,026 Speaker 3: able to bring it back in some capacity, even if 806 00:39:00,026 --> 00:39:01,866 Speaker 3: it is a little bit different than we've done in 807 00:39:01,866 --> 00:39:05,706 Speaker 3: the past, it just first off, it it gives more 808 00:39:05,826 --> 00:39:09,026 Speaker 3: value to It gives more value to the returner, It 809 00:39:09,066 --> 00:39:12,466 Speaker 3: gives more value to the back end roster players that 810 00:39:12,626 --> 00:39:14,706 Speaker 3: are special teamers. I mean, that's how I made my 811 00:39:14,786 --> 00:39:18,266 Speaker 3: living as a as a as a teamer, and I'm 812 00:39:18,306 --> 00:39:20,666 Speaker 3: excited to be able to try to give back to 813 00:39:20,706 --> 00:39:24,986 Speaker 3: those guys and hopefully make some big plays in the process. 814 00:39:25,186 --> 00:39:29,346 Speaker 3: I really am excited for the opportunity to to be 815 00:39:29,986 --> 00:39:33,906 Speaker 3: you know, I guess what would you say, the servant 816 00:39:34,146 --> 00:39:37,226 Speaker 3: like the first the first group to be able to 817 00:39:37,226 --> 00:39:38,346 Speaker 3: do with all the guys that were. 818 00:39:38,186 --> 00:39:40,826 Speaker 1: Taking inaugural the inaugural inaugural. 819 00:39:40,946 --> 00:39:42,026 Speaker 3: Yeah, the inaugural class. 820 00:39:42,026 --> 00:39:44,506 Speaker 1: So the NFL changes the rules in twelve months and 821 00:39:44,506 --> 00:39:46,146 Speaker 1: say that I would go back to the old rules 822 00:39:46,146 --> 00:39:49,266 Speaker 1: we'll see. Well it didn't work, all right. My last 823 00:39:49,426 --> 00:39:52,066 Speaker 1: couple for you, Uh, I've long said and put your 824 00:39:52,106 --> 00:39:54,826 Speaker 1: name out there for head coaching opportunities, and I think 825 00:39:55,186 --> 00:39:56,906 Speaker 1: you know, you know my respect for you and your units, 826 00:39:56,906 --> 00:39:58,466 Speaker 1: but also the way you connect with the guys. 827 00:39:59,306 --> 00:39:59,666 Speaker 3: Uh. 828 00:39:59,706 --> 00:40:02,226 Speaker 1: If you've got other owners and gms listening right now, 829 00:40:02,386 --> 00:40:05,226 Speaker 1: like what would be you think? Not to promote yourself, 830 00:40:05,266 --> 00:40:07,706 Speaker 1: but the value of a special teams coordinator And we've 831 00:40:07,746 --> 00:40:11,026 Speaker 1: seen Harbaugh obviously have great success as a head coach, 832 00:40:11,106 --> 00:40:14,506 Speaker 1: but having a special teams coordinator be a head coach 833 00:40:14,586 --> 00:40:15,626 Speaker 1: of an NFL team. 834 00:40:16,906 --> 00:40:19,866 Speaker 3: No, I mean, and let me just say this first too, 835 00:40:19,946 --> 00:40:23,306 Speaker 3: because like I'm focused on doing my job, which is 836 00:40:23,346 --> 00:40:27,026 Speaker 3: being the special teams coordinator for the Browns totally. 837 00:40:27,106 --> 00:40:27,346 Speaker 1: You know. 838 00:40:28,906 --> 00:40:31,906 Speaker 3: Fortunately they gave me the assistant head coach title and 839 00:40:31,946 --> 00:40:34,906 Speaker 3: I and Kevin gives me time to be able to 840 00:40:34,906 --> 00:40:38,106 Speaker 3: speak in front of the team, which is great. But 841 00:40:38,786 --> 00:40:45,066 Speaker 3: you know, for me, the special teams coordinator, he has 842 00:40:45,106 --> 00:40:47,906 Speaker 3: a relationship and he coaches everyone on the roster at 843 00:40:47,906 --> 00:40:51,066 Speaker 3: some point in some way, shape or form. Like I 844 00:40:51,186 --> 00:40:53,186 Speaker 3: like being able to be a part of that because 845 00:40:53,906 --> 00:40:58,266 Speaker 3: you have you have input in ros roster management. You 846 00:40:58,306 --> 00:41:01,626 Speaker 3: have input in the in game situations, you have input 847 00:41:01,666 --> 00:41:05,866 Speaker 3: in guys we sign. There's a lot of things that 848 00:41:05,946 --> 00:41:07,946 Speaker 3: there's a lot of things that factor into it. I 849 00:41:07,986 --> 00:41:09,666 Speaker 3: was talking with my brother the other day, I'm like, 850 00:41:10,186 --> 00:41:12,306 Speaker 3: it is surprising to me that you don't see special 851 00:41:12,386 --> 00:41:15,546 Speaker 3: teams coordinators be or get opportunities to be head coaches 852 00:41:15,586 --> 00:41:18,026 Speaker 3: because at the end of the day, there's not a 853 00:41:18,066 --> 00:41:21,906 Speaker 3: lot of head coaches call the plays. So you know, 854 00:41:22,746 --> 00:41:26,346 Speaker 3: I have a I have played defense in my history, 855 00:41:26,426 --> 00:41:30,226 Speaker 3: I played safety, I played receiver, right, I know both 856 00:41:30,266 --> 00:41:32,386 Speaker 3: sides of the ball. Well, I can manage. I can 857 00:41:32,466 --> 00:41:35,746 Speaker 3: manage a game. And in the same breath, it's like, 858 00:41:36,426 --> 00:41:40,666 Speaker 3: you know, as as the head coach, you're really you're 859 00:41:40,746 --> 00:41:43,266 Speaker 3: managing the game, right, do you understand the game. You're 860 00:41:43,266 --> 00:41:43,986 Speaker 3: managing the game. 861 00:41:43,986 --> 00:41:49,346 Speaker 1: You're in games maning that flag. 862 00:41:49,546 --> 00:41:53,426 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think like that, And I know for us, 863 00:41:53,586 --> 00:41:56,746 Speaker 3: Kevin calls the plays. But Kevin also does a really 864 00:41:56,746 --> 00:41:58,786 Speaker 3: good job of like if he didn't call the plays, 865 00:41:58,826 --> 00:42:01,546 Speaker 3: he does a really good job of you know, I 866 00:42:01,586 --> 00:42:07,226 Speaker 3: would say relaying a message to the team leading managing. 867 00:42:07,466 --> 00:42:11,666 Speaker 3: You know, me and Schwartz also you know now with Ken, 868 00:42:11,826 --> 00:42:13,466 Speaker 3: you know I see Ken doing quite a bit on 869 00:42:13,506 --> 00:42:16,746 Speaker 3: the offense now, but Kevin does a great job of 870 00:42:16,786 --> 00:42:20,226 Speaker 3: building relationships with the players and creating an environment, a 871 00:42:20,266 --> 00:42:23,986 Speaker 3: winning environment that everybody likes to come to work to 872 00:42:24,026 --> 00:42:26,386 Speaker 3: be able to win. I think that's important. I think 873 00:42:26,386 --> 00:42:30,066 Speaker 3: the relationship piece of it is huge. I think that 874 00:42:30,066 --> 00:42:32,586 Speaker 3: that's definitely one of my strong suits and why I've 875 00:42:32,586 --> 00:42:36,826 Speaker 3: had success. I'm going into my twentieth season, so ten 876 00:42:36,906 --> 00:42:38,946 Speaker 3: as a player, going into my tenth as a coach. 877 00:42:39,066 --> 00:42:41,946 Speaker 3: I'm really excited for the opportunity to be the special 878 00:42:41,946 --> 00:42:44,946 Speaker 3: team's coordinator for the Browns, and you know, hopefully we 879 00:42:45,026 --> 00:42:47,586 Speaker 3: can make a lot of noise this season. 880 00:42:48,386 --> 00:42:52,186 Speaker 1: Yeah, last couple here, the roast of Brady made a 881 00:42:52,226 --> 00:42:55,226 Speaker 1: lot of news. Then Brady gets his jersey retired and 882 00:42:55,306 --> 00:42:58,026 Speaker 1: his number retired and retirement ceremony in grand fashion this 883 00:42:58,066 --> 00:43:00,826 Speaker 1: past week. Your best Tom Brady story. If you're in 884 00:43:00,826 --> 00:43:03,026 Speaker 1: an elevator and someone says, you play with Brady for 885 00:43:03,066 --> 00:43:05,826 Speaker 1: all those years, what personifies him the most? You have 886 00:43:05,866 --> 00:43:08,586 Speaker 1: a personal story that you share that you could share. 887 00:43:09,226 --> 00:43:10,306 Speaker 3: I have a lot of I have a lot of 888 00:43:10,306 --> 00:43:13,586 Speaker 3: Brady stories, but one, so there's two that I look, 889 00:43:13,626 --> 00:43:16,666 Speaker 3: there's two that I like so the one I was 890 00:43:16,706 --> 00:43:21,586 Speaker 3: playing receiver. I was playing receiver and we're in it 891 00:43:21,626 --> 00:43:24,706 Speaker 3: was in like OTAs and he gave me like a signal. 892 00:43:25,066 --> 00:43:26,826 Speaker 3: He gave me a signal and he like, it's like 893 00:43:26,866 --> 00:43:29,506 Speaker 3: you're like throwing a rock. Like you're throwing a rock. 894 00:43:29,546 --> 00:43:31,506 Speaker 3: So it was like two minutes. So I was supposed 895 00:43:31,506 --> 00:43:34,506 Speaker 3: to run this like twelve to fifteen yard out. It's 896 00:43:34,546 --> 00:43:36,226 Speaker 3: called we used to call it like a rock out, 897 00:43:36,626 --> 00:43:38,706 Speaker 3: and it was like a cover five eater, which is 898 00:43:38,706 --> 00:43:41,466 Speaker 3: like two man. So we were he wanted me to 899 00:43:41,546 --> 00:43:44,026 Speaker 3: run the rock and I ran the wrong route and 900 00:43:44,066 --> 00:43:47,666 Speaker 3: he just like dog cussed me. Yeah, but what are 901 00:43:47,706 --> 00:43:51,626 Speaker 3: you doing? So after practice I'm like, so I see him, like, 902 00:43:52,146 --> 00:43:54,826 Speaker 3: you know, after he showered in the locker room. I'm like, dude, 903 00:43:54,826 --> 00:43:57,546 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. And it was like he like completely forgot 904 00:43:57,546 --> 00:43:59,986 Speaker 3: about He's like about what I was like, I ran 905 00:44:00,026 --> 00:44:02,266 Speaker 3: the wrong route two minutes. He's like he's like, oh 906 00:44:02,306 --> 00:44:05,506 Speaker 3: I don't care about Like that's my yeah. Yeah. 907 00:44:05,546 --> 00:44:09,466 Speaker 1: So so ability to turn it on the field and 908 00:44:09,466 --> 00:44:09,906 Speaker 1: then turn. 909 00:44:09,826 --> 00:44:12,146 Speaker 3: It off, I mean yeah, and he's just he I 910 00:44:12,186 --> 00:44:16,386 Speaker 3: really yeah, Tom's Tom's the best, you know, he said. 911 00:44:16,426 --> 00:44:19,266 Speaker 3: Obviously a ton of success and all those Super Bowls 912 00:44:19,306 --> 00:44:21,146 Speaker 3: and just a great dude. 913 00:44:21,506 --> 00:44:23,906 Speaker 1: Do you think he'll be a good broadcaster? Are you 914 00:44:24,426 --> 00:44:27,706 Speaker 1: thinking that maybe it's not his fit? What do you think? 915 00:44:28,066 --> 00:44:30,586 Speaker 3: Did you? Did you watch the UFL game the other night? 916 00:44:30,946 --> 00:44:33,426 Speaker 1: I did. I saw clips that I thought he was amazing. 917 00:44:33,546 --> 00:44:35,946 Speaker 1: He's breaking down plays on UFL. 918 00:44:35,906 --> 00:44:38,106 Speaker 3: He had he was out there for like I watched, 919 00:44:38,186 --> 00:44:40,306 Speaker 3: he was probably out there for like five minutes in total. 920 00:44:40,386 --> 00:44:42,506 Speaker 3: I thought he did a solid job. It was great, 921 00:44:42,706 --> 00:44:45,986 Speaker 3: and I think he's Look, the thing about him is 922 00:44:46,426 --> 00:44:48,706 Speaker 3: he's not going to get like we actually were fortunate enough. 923 00:44:48,746 --> 00:44:51,826 Speaker 3: He's doing our game, I know to start. The thing 924 00:44:51,866 --> 00:44:54,826 Speaker 3: about Tom is like he'll go back, He'll go back 925 00:44:54,866 --> 00:44:57,826 Speaker 3: and watch himself and that just that little, that little blurb, 926 00:44:58,346 --> 00:45:00,866 Speaker 3: and going into that opening week, he'll be so prepared 927 00:45:01,546 --> 00:45:04,426 Speaker 3: to talk about every player on e on both teams. 928 00:45:04,426 --> 00:45:06,666 Speaker 1: But that scares me. I don't want him to be 929 00:45:06,786 --> 00:45:09,786 Speaker 1: so prepared on every player. Just just see the game, 930 00:45:09,946 --> 00:45:12,426 Speaker 1: talk the game. My biggest fear is that he comes 931 00:45:12,426 --> 00:45:14,946 Speaker 1: in with a playbook of six hundred things and this 932 00:45:14,986 --> 00:45:16,746 Speaker 1: is my sports media day and he's like got to 933 00:45:16,786 --> 00:45:18,786 Speaker 1: hit everything, and that's never good. Like I want you 934 00:45:18,866 --> 00:45:20,546 Speaker 1: just to watch the game and tell me what you're seeing. 935 00:45:20,826 --> 00:45:22,386 Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think he's gonna I don't think it's 936 00:45:22,426 --> 00:45:25,146 Speaker 3: gonna be so like. I don't think he'll be too 937 00:45:25,186 --> 00:45:27,026 Speaker 3: crazy with that stuff. But I think he'll do a 938 00:45:27,066 --> 00:45:30,946 Speaker 3: really good job of, you know, understanding what we do 939 00:45:31,026 --> 00:45:33,826 Speaker 3: offensively and defensively, what they do offensively and defensively and 940 00:45:33,866 --> 00:45:36,026 Speaker 3: in the kicking game, and he'll be able to like 941 00:45:36,586 --> 00:45:39,466 Speaker 3: hit on it. Yeah, and he'll yeah, and he'll he 942 00:45:39,506 --> 00:45:41,146 Speaker 3: may even like call out like, hey, they like to 943 00:45:41,146 --> 00:45:43,866 Speaker 3: do a lot of this on on these downs, and 944 00:45:43,906 --> 00:45:46,706 Speaker 3: you'll see what come off, like, you know, similar to 945 00:45:46,746 --> 00:45:48,506 Speaker 3: how like I know Ramo did a good job of 946 00:45:48,546 --> 00:45:49,626 Speaker 3: that when he first started too. 947 00:45:49,706 --> 00:45:50,306 Speaker 1: Yeah. 948 00:45:50,426 --> 00:45:54,306 Speaker 3: Yeah, but no, Tom's great, you know he geez. I mean, 949 00:45:54,386 --> 00:45:58,226 Speaker 3: he gave he gave me a lot of opportunity. So 950 00:45:58,546 --> 00:45:59,986 Speaker 3: I'm thankful to him for sure. 951 00:46:00,306 --> 00:46:02,266 Speaker 1: All Right, we're wrapping here, but real quick, show your 952 00:46:02,306 --> 00:46:04,746 Speaker 1: shirt if you can. I love this. This is a 953 00:46:04,746 --> 00:46:07,186 Speaker 1: Beavis and butt headshirt that says, welcome to the Dog Pats. 954 00:46:08,586 --> 00:46:12,346 Speaker 1: You are officially in off season mode. Tell us what 955 00:46:12,466 --> 00:46:15,906 Speaker 1: a special teams coordinator does on a random Tuesday in 956 00:46:16,026 --> 00:46:18,346 Speaker 1: June after Mini camp and before training camp. 957 00:46:19,146 --> 00:46:28,226 Speaker 3: Okay, so I'm originally from Pittsburgh, sot him. Look, I 958 00:46:28,266 --> 00:46:31,666 Speaker 3: love Pittsburgh, grew up in Pittsburgh. However, I'm not a 959 00:46:31,706 --> 00:46:36,106 Speaker 3: Steelers fan currently obviously, I'm a I'm a diehard Browns fan. 960 00:46:36,186 --> 00:46:39,546 Speaker 3: I love the Browns, you know, and when I played here, 961 00:46:39,866 --> 00:46:42,026 Speaker 3: the rivalry, I just I love it. 962 00:46:42,066 --> 00:46:42,266 Speaker 2: I do. 963 00:46:42,346 --> 00:46:44,546 Speaker 3: I love it, and and I love Cleveland. I love 964 00:46:44,586 --> 00:46:47,466 Speaker 3: the city of Cleveland. Cleveland's got better food than Pittsburgh. 965 00:46:47,626 --> 00:46:50,906 Speaker 3: That's that's a real thing. And I love I love 966 00:46:50,946 --> 00:46:55,466 Speaker 3: the city of Cleveland. But today, so my wife and 967 00:46:55,546 --> 00:46:59,026 Speaker 3: kids are still living in Indianapolis. So we drove up 968 00:46:59,066 --> 00:47:03,306 Speaker 3: from Indianapolis to Pittsburgh and to see my to see 969 00:47:03,306 --> 00:47:06,186 Speaker 3: my immediate family, my mom and dad, my brother and 970 00:47:06,186 --> 00:47:08,746 Speaker 3: sisters and their families are here. I'm actually at my 971 00:47:08,746 --> 00:47:12,186 Speaker 3: my boys here, my boy's house. Andrew Fiorelli, how about 972 00:47:12,186 --> 00:47:12,866 Speaker 3: that last name? 973 00:47:13,026 --> 00:47:15,226 Speaker 1: What's up my Jersey palace? 974 00:47:15,306 --> 00:47:18,146 Speaker 3: We called it the hom fig And ok So we're 975 00:47:18,186 --> 00:47:22,506 Speaker 3: going to Kennywood Park. So Kennywood Park is an amusing park. 976 00:47:22,906 --> 00:47:25,746 Speaker 3: Its outside of Pittsburgh. It's it's in West s miflind 977 00:47:25,786 --> 00:47:27,226 Speaker 3: It's like right outside the city. 978 00:47:27,386 --> 00:47:29,666 Speaker 1: We're talking roller coasters. 979 00:47:29,706 --> 00:47:33,826 Speaker 3: It's like the Dish six Flags Ish, but it's like 980 00:47:33,906 --> 00:47:39,106 Speaker 3: the best amusement park in the world. It's unbelievable. The listen. 981 00:47:39,866 --> 00:47:45,066 Speaker 3: There's classic roller coasters, there's rides, there's great games. The 982 00:47:45,146 --> 00:47:46,106 Speaker 3: food is excellent. 983 00:47:46,186 --> 00:47:48,546 Speaker 1: Mike funnel cakes, funnal cake for days. 984 00:47:48,666 --> 00:47:52,706 Speaker 3: Funnel cakes for days. They got the potato patch friese. 985 00:47:53,386 --> 00:47:55,346 Speaker 3: Just just so many things for the kids to do. 986 00:47:55,426 --> 00:47:59,266 Speaker 3: My kids, my son Major, my daughter Ella, my other 987 00:47:59,786 --> 00:48:02,306 Speaker 3: You're gonna love this one more thing. So, my my 988 00:48:02,426 --> 00:48:07,786 Speaker 3: oldest daughter, Ava is going to a holy Cross women's 989 00:48:08,306 --> 00:48:09,026 Speaker 3: lacrosse camp. 990 00:48:09,106 --> 00:48:13,146 Speaker 1: Guess Belichick. Belichick, Let's go. Belichick's daughter is the head 991 00:48:13,146 --> 00:48:14,626 Speaker 1: coach at holy Crosscross. 992 00:48:14,666 --> 00:48:17,106 Speaker 3: So I'm trying to make that. I'm trying to get 993 00:48:17,146 --> 00:48:19,626 Speaker 3: that connection there. My daughter's a really good look. She 994 00:48:19,706 --> 00:48:22,546 Speaker 3: was a freshman to start on the varsity in Zionsville. 995 00:48:23,346 --> 00:48:25,666 Speaker 3: They took third in the state. But anyway, hell yeah, 996 00:48:25,946 --> 00:48:28,506 Speaker 3: shout out to my daughter Ava, who's actually playing in 997 00:48:28,506 --> 00:48:31,626 Speaker 3: the tournament this weekend. Also in no days of jersey, 998 00:48:31,866 --> 00:48:32,986 Speaker 3: no days off, no. 999 00:48:32,786 --> 00:48:35,106 Speaker 1: No days off. All right, So Kenny Wood today you're 1000 00:48:35,146 --> 00:48:36,906 Speaker 1: with your boy. You're with your boys from high school? 1001 00:48:36,906 --> 00:48:39,546 Speaker 1: Is that who you're going with I'm going with. 1002 00:48:39,306 --> 00:48:41,906 Speaker 3: My family, and then a couple of my buddies from 1003 00:48:41,986 --> 00:48:42,986 Speaker 3: from around here are going. 1004 00:48:43,746 --> 00:48:47,946 Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, that's the life. That's it. Joy every single moment. Bubba, 1005 00:48:47,986 --> 00:48:50,066 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. You didn't have to do this. Took some 1006 00:48:50,146 --> 00:48:52,306 Speaker 1: time out of your vacation to jump on the podcast. 1007 00:48:52,306 --> 00:48:54,706 Speaker 1: I'm excited to see this Brown special teams out of 1008 00:48:54,706 --> 00:48:57,346 Speaker 1: the gates, running some tricks and all sorts of wild 1009 00:48:57,346 --> 00:49:00,866 Speaker 1: plays out of the gates. Let's go. I so appreciate 1010 00:49:00,866 --> 00:49:03,746 Speaker 1: You've been a guy I've long been a fan of 1011 00:49:03,786 --> 00:49:05,386 Speaker 1: and I appreciate you coming on the podcast. 1012 00:49:06,546 --> 00:49:10,186 Speaker 3: Thanks, Peter, I appreciate, appreciate you have a good summer. Man. 1013 00:49:10,306 --> 00:49:12,146 Speaker 1: All right, have an awesome off season. All right, guys, 1014 00:49:12,186 --> 00:49:15,266 Speaker 1: Bubba Ventro and Cleveland Brown's assistant head coach and special 1015 00:49:15,346 --> 00:49:17,186 Speaker 1: teams coordinator, thanks for joining the season. 1016 00:49:17,826 --> 00:49:18,226 Speaker 3: Thank you. 1017 00:49:25,946 --> 00:49:30,026 Speaker 1: Very cool to talk to, Bubba. Aaron Kenny Wood So 1018 00:49:31,026 --> 00:49:31,826 Speaker 1: are you aware of it? 1019 00:49:31,986 --> 00:49:32,146 Speaker 3: No? 1020 00:49:32,506 --> 00:49:34,386 Speaker 2: And actually when he was saying he's going to an 1021 00:49:34,386 --> 00:49:37,266 Speaker 2: amusement park, I thought it was Hershey, but because that's a. 1022 00:49:37,506 --> 00:49:41,306 Speaker 1: Yeah sort of but not really Pittsburgh. It's more outside. 1023 00:49:42,066 --> 00:49:43,986 Speaker 2: That's a good point. 1024 00:49:45,066 --> 00:49:47,866 Speaker 1: I do not I do not like amusement. 1025 00:49:47,386 --> 00:49:51,626 Speaker 2: Parks and the same way, dude, like it is my hell. 1026 00:49:52,066 --> 00:49:55,346 Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something. So my son finished first grade, 1027 00:49:55,986 --> 00:49:58,466 Speaker 1: Well that the trip, the first grade end of your 1028 00:49:58,546 --> 00:50:03,346 Speaker 1: class trip was to Coney Island. And I don't have 1029 00:50:03,386 --> 00:50:05,746 Speaker 1: the show right now, Good Morning Football, So I'm free, 1030 00:50:05,746 --> 00:50:08,346 Speaker 1: and I'm like, all right, how often might maybe a chaperone. 1031 00:50:08,346 --> 00:50:11,466 Speaker 1: I'll be a chaperone to his trip. I had anxiety 1032 00:50:11,546 --> 00:50:14,506 Speaker 1: for five these kids going on roller coasters, as first 1033 00:50:14,546 --> 00:50:17,146 Speaker 1: grade is barely tall enough, and I'm watching all these 1034 00:50:17,226 --> 00:50:20,346 Speaker 1: kids running around like it just is. Maybe I'm a grump. 1035 00:50:20,426 --> 00:50:22,906 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm a grinch. But like when he's talking about 1036 00:50:23,226 --> 00:50:26,786 Speaker 1: games and roller coasters and water park stuff, like can't 1037 00:50:26,786 --> 00:50:28,586 Speaker 1: we read a book? Can't we just put on an 1038 00:50:28,586 --> 00:50:31,786 Speaker 1: old like can't we put on like an old giants 1039 00:50:31,826 --> 00:50:33,786 Speaker 1: like Cowboys game and just sit inside? 1040 00:50:33,786 --> 00:50:38,146 Speaker 2: And maybe elementary schoolers just watch a game from the seventies. 1041 00:50:38,026 --> 00:50:40,946 Speaker 1: Like don't they understand that like Tony Dorsett once had 1042 00:50:40,946 --> 00:50:43,026 Speaker 1: a ninety nine yard run on Monday night football, Like 1043 00:50:43,066 --> 00:50:45,986 Speaker 1: can't we just want I don't know. So Cony Island, 1044 00:50:45,986 --> 00:50:51,666 Speaker 1: I will say this surprisingly very clean, kid friendly and 1045 00:50:51,746 --> 00:50:54,226 Speaker 1: now look, a lot of the schools still were in session, 1046 00:50:54,346 --> 00:50:57,706 Speaker 1: so we had like the park to ourselves. But some 1047 00:50:57,786 --> 00:51:01,906 Speaker 1: of these rides like the cyclone dude scary. And there's 1048 00:51:01,906 --> 00:51:04,186 Speaker 1: another one with like the sling shot where they like 1049 00:51:04,186 --> 00:51:07,066 Speaker 1: they fling people like helm. I don't get it. I'm 1050 00:51:07,066 --> 00:51:10,506 Speaker 1: not a thrill seeker. The biggest thrill I have is 1051 00:51:10,666 --> 00:51:13,106 Speaker 1: going on live television and you know, trying not to 1052 00:51:13,346 --> 00:51:15,386 Speaker 1: trip up my words, that's that's my throw. 1053 00:51:15,426 --> 00:51:15,746 Speaker 3: I do it. 1054 00:51:15,746 --> 00:51:18,546 Speaker 1: I love you know, on this podcast, and trying to 1055 00:51:18,626 --> 00:51:19,986 Speaker 1: walk that tight rope every day. 1056 00:51:20,306 --> 00:51:20,666 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1057 00:51:20,706 --> 00:51:24,026 Speaker 2: I also I can't do rides. I as a kid 1058 00:51:24,426 --> 00:51:26,666 Speaker 2: would go on like class trips like what your son 1059 00:51:26,706 --> 00:51:28,226 Speaker 2: went on, and I would be the one who would 1060 00:51:28,226 --> 00:51:30,906 Speaker 2: stay at thet like and hold everybody's bags. 1061 00:51:31,026 --> 00:51:31,506 Speaker 3: Well, would you. 1062 00:51:31,506 --> 00:51:33,946 Speaker 2: Get teased or were you just like no, I mean 1063 00:51:33,946 --> 00:51:36,626 Speaker 2: it was just like I think at some point they're 1064 00:51:36,626 --> 00:51:38,666 Speaker 2: so excited to go on the roller coaster they didn't 1065 00:51:38,706 --> 00:51:39,666 Speaker 2: care who didn't go. 1066 00:51:39,906 --> 00:51:43,306 Speaker 1: So totally totally so Kenny Wood, neither one of us 1067 00:51:43,386 --> 00:51:47,146 Speaker 1: can wagh in on it. I grew up literally five 1068 00:51:47,186 --> 00:51:51,346 Speaker 1: minutes from six Flags Great Adventure in Jersey, like five minutes, 1069 00:51:51,506 --> 00:51:54,786 Speaker 1: and my friends would buy seasoned passes and go. Then 1070 00:51:54,826 --> 00:51:56,586 Speaker 1: I would go, and then I would go with them 1071 00:51:56,586 --> 00:52:00,106 Speaker 1: and like shoot baskets at like the carnival game where 1072 00:52:00,106 --> 00:52:01,826 Speaker 1: like you do not make the shot and just like 1073 00:52:01,866 --> 00:52:04,826 Speaker 1: give away fifty dollars every time, and now the Scream 1074 00:52:04,906 --> 00:52:07,346 Speaker 1: Machine and Rolling Thunder and all these things. 1075 00:52:07,466 --> 00:52:09,986 Speaker 2: I hate waiting in line and the thought of like, hey, 1076 00:52:10,066 --> 00:52:13,146 Speaker 2: let's go spend the summer day in the heat, waiting 1077 00:52:13,186 --> 00:52:16,186 Speaker 2: in line heat for a ride that's forty five. 1078 00:52:16,186 --> 00:52:19,306 Speaker 1: And that food is not good, Like, yeah, Coney Island 1079 00:52:19,346 --> 00:52:21,306 Speaker 1: has Nathan's and that's cool. By the way, we could 1080 00:52:21,306 --> 00:52:25,186 Speaker 1: do a whole podcast on the Joey Chestnut situation. Oh yeah, 1081 00:52:25,426 --> 00:52:27,946 Speaker 1: me going to Coney Island and buying Nathan's. Like, I 1082 00:52:27,706 --> 00:52:29,866 Speaker 1: hope no one saw me in the media. I was not. 1083 00:52:30,146 --> 00:52:32,666 Speaker 1: I'm not aligned with Nathan's on this. I am team Chestnut. 1084 00:52:32,746 --> 00:52:34,426 Speaker 1: If he wants to make some money off the off 1085 00:52:34,466 --> 00:52:36,666 Speaker 1: the side from the Impossible Burger people, he should feel 1086 00:52:37,066 --> 00:52:40,026 Speaker 1: the freedom to do so. But I felt like I 1087 00:52:40,106 --> 00:52:44,106 Speaker 1: was like a like, what's it like when the writer's 1088 00:52:44,106 --> 00:52:50,186 Speaker 1: strike was like a line? Yeah, like going and supporting Nathan's. No, no, no, no, 1089 00:52:50,306 --> 00:52:51,186 Speaker 1: I'm team Chestnut. 1090 00:52:51,306 --> 00:52:53,226 Speaker 2: Yeah, I got some I got some hot dog eating 1091 00:52:53,266 --> 00:52:54,586 Speaker 2: contest dirt for you after. 1092 00:52:54,626 --> 00:52:56,186 Speaker 1: Do you have any takes? Can you do it on here? 1093 00:52:56,226 --> 00:52:56,906 Speaker 1: I would like to hear. 1094 00:52:57,426 --> 00:53:00,586 Speaker 2: Yeah, So, I mean there is we could we. 1095 00:53:00,546 --> 00:53:02,706 Speaker 1: Could do a podcast about competitive eating if you want to. 1096 00:53:02,786 --> 00:53:04,506 Speaker 1: There's more going on there than football right now. 1097 00:53:04,746 --> 00:53:08,426 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a there's a great Instagram guy that I 1098 00:53:08,466 --> 00:53:11,866 Speaker 2: follow who does like really wild competitive eating things. That's 1099 00:53:11,866 --> 00:53:15,026 Speaker 2: a whole other world. Yeah, it's wild how into that 1100 00:53:15,146 --> 00:53:19,306 Speaker 2: people are. But I mean also part of the big 1101 00:53:19,346 --> 00:53:24,266 Speaker 2: deal was Chestnut's big rival, Kobyashi, like being he's been 1102 00:53:24,706 --> 00:53:28,546 Speaker 2: sort of discriminated against by hot dog eating contests for 1103 00:53:28,706 --> 00:53:32,986 Speaker 2: years and he retired because of it. But yeah, I 1104 00:53:32,986 --> 00:53:38,386 Speaker 2: think they're not by any means the most. Do you 1105 00:53:38,426 --> 00:53:42,866 Speaker 2: think orization July fourth? Do you think we see Chestnut 1106 00:53:42,906 --> 00:53:45,066 Speaker 2: at Nathan We're a couple of weeks out. Do you 1107 00:53:45,066 --> 00:53:47,146 Speaker 2: think Joey Chestnut is at the Nathan side? Do they 1108 00:53:47,186 --> 00:53:49,346 Speaker 2: do they resolve this somehow somewhere? Yeah, because I think 1109 00:53:49,346 --> 00:53:50,706 Speaker 2: at the end of the day, he's not going to 1110 00:53:50,786 --> 00:53:53,626 Speaker 2: have a bigger July fourth platform like he's got there 1111 00:53:54,106 --> 00:53:56,146 Speaker 2: unless impossible he bends. 1112 00:53:56,226 --> 00:53:57,826 Speaker 1: Do you think he bends? I figured they would bend 1113 00:53:57,826 --> 00:53:59,106 Speaker 1: to be like, what are we without him? 1114 00:53:59,266 --> 00:54:02,226 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, I guess both of them kind of compromise 1115 00:54:02,266 --> 00:54:05,746 Speaker 2: and meet in the middle. Unless, unless, if I'm the 1116 00:54:05,986 --> 00:54:09,026 Speaker 2: mediates an impossible burger, I'm desperately trying to set up 1117 00:54:09,066 --> 00:54:13,226 Speaker 2: an yeah, a rival competition at you know, I don't know, 1118 00:54:13,306 --> 00:54:16,586 Speaker 2: Cape cod or whatever, like totally something else, and that 1119 00:54:16,826 --> 00:54:17,226 Speaker 2: could work. 1120 00:54:17,266 --> 00:54:17,746 Speaker 3: That'd be fun. 1121 00:54:18,146 --> 00:54:20,746 Speaker 1: It'll be good. On that note, Let's do this again 1122 00:54:20,786 --> 00:54:26,506 Speaker 1: next week. Aaron Wan Kaufman, Jason English, the entire iHeart 1123 00:54:26,626 --> 00:54:31,026 Speaker 1: An NFL podcast team. This is the Season with Peter Schrager. 1124 00:54:31,146 --> 00:54:40,946 Speaker 1: Enjoy your new kickoff, Real Spokes. 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