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Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is late on Thursday, August twenty second,

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Speaker 1: and we have just gotten word that parole has been

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Speaker 1: denied for Eric Menindez. Welcome to this episode of Amy

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Speaker 1: and TJ. An episode being recorded much later than anticipated

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Speaker 1: because as I record this, it is past ten o'clock

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Speaker 1: on the East coast, it is past eight o'clock on

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Speaker 1: the West coast, And for the past ten hours, the

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Speaker 1: parole board hearing for Eric Menindez has been taking place.

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Speaker 1: That is a much longer duration than most were anticipating,

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Speaker 1: thought this might go three hours or so. It has

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Speaker 1: been a long, long day and we're just getting word

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Speaker 1: before I started recording here, folks that yes, Eric Menindez,

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Speaker 1: all that momentum, all the publicity, and a lot of

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Speaker 1: people thought this was going to be it. But no,

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Speaker 1: Eric Menindez is not going to be getting out of prison,

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Speaker 1: at least through the parole system, at least through that

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Speaker 1: metthad that for now, because parole has been denied. The

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Speaker 1: parole Board says he can come back and it's eligible

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Speaker 1: to go before the parole board again in three years.

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Speaker 1: But as of now, Eric Menendez is going to stay

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Speaker 1: in prison. His brother lyle is up with his parole

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Speaker 1: board hearing tomorrow. So what does this mean for him?

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Speaker 1: Is it an automatic? Not necessarily. Just because his brother

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Speaker 1: was denied, it doesn't mean that Lyle will be denied.

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Speaker 1: I'll explain that in a second. But this parole board

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Speaker 1: hearing happened today at eleven thirty am Eastern time, eight

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Speaker 1: He was doing it from his San Diego prison. This

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Speaker 1: this was all done via video conference. Now why was

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Speaker 1: shot up at this. Well, he's eligible now because after

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Speaker 1: they were convicted, he and his brother were convicted of

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Speaker 1: killing their parents. They got life in prison without the

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Speaker 1: possibility of parole. But just this summer, at the start

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Speaker 1: i should say, and they were eligible for parole immediately,

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Speaker 1: and that's why we ended up here. The decision now

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Speaker 1: that this board has made is that Eric is not

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Speaker 1: now now. Because of the system and the rules and

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Speaker 1: the laws out there in California, we had no access today,

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Speaker 1: no video, no audio to this parole board hearing. This

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Speaker 1: isn't the same as a court hearing. There is no

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Speaker 1: This is actually supposed to be kind of a private event.

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Speaker 1: This is supposed to be a very a private and

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Speaker 1: not the same rules that the whole public gets access.

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Speaker 1: So what happened and instead this time is that one

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Speaker 1: So we've all been standing by and we all got

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Speaker 1: Mendez the opportunity now to get out on parole. Now,

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Speaker 1: this was a long hearing in part because so many people,

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Speaker 1: that there were a lot of tears during the video

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Speaker 1: the family even made a plea yes about the boys.

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Speaker 1: I say the boys, they were twenty one and eighteen,

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Speaker 1: because Eric had some rules violations while he's been in

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Speaker 1: nothing necessarily so outlandish, but some of these instances were

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Speaker 1: also allegedly caught with drugs, also allegedly helped a gang

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Speaker 1: But it's been at least a decade, and I believe

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Speaker 1: This wasn't a one off. This is Yes, it's over

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Speaker 1: we're all here because Eric and Lyle killed their parents.

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Speaker 1: They killed their dad, who they accused of molesting them.

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Speaker 1: But the board was hung up on or certainly questioned

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Speaker 1: all will remember this case, remember it well. Some of

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Speaker 1: these details and this it really was. It was a sensation,

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Speaker 1: folks were always wondering in nineteen eighty nine, you're saying,

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Speaker 1: And it wasn't just an instant death for the mom,

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Speaker 1: Details are just atrocious, they absolutely are. So the argument

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Speaker 1: And the reporter in the room said one of the

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Speaker 1: board members specifically asked why did you shoot her? And

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Speaker 1: his answer were simply a wish he hadn't done it.

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Speaker 1: I mean, they have said that they have admitted. But

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Speaker 1: the board went through and so much was expected that

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Speaker 1: not trying to reltigate and relive the entire crime, but

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Speaker 1: But still the argument was made that the brothers may

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Speaker 1: to kill your mom? Now, the family did express that

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Speaker 1: out a statement saying, while we respect the decision, today's

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Speaker 1: outcome was of course disappointing and not what we hoped for.

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Speaker 1: But our belief in Eric remains unwavering, and we know

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Speaker 1: he will take the board's recommendation in stride. His remorse,

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Speaker 1: hold to the hope he is able to return home soon. Tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: We turn our attention to Lyle's hearing, and while it

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Speaker 1: is undoubtedly difficult, we remain cautiously optimistic and hopeful that

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Speaker 1: the Commissioner will see in Lyle what so many others have,

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Speaker 1: a man who is taken responsibility, transformed his life and

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Speaker 1: is ready to come home again. That's the statement from

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Speaker 1: the family, And I give you idea of this board

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Speaker 1: that is just one of the reasons why there is hope.

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Speaker 1: There is hope that even though Eric was denied today,

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Speaker 1: Lyle could still be granted parole when he goes before

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Speaker 1: the board on Friday. How is that possible? All right?

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Speaker 1: We continue now. Yes, it is late as of this recording,

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Speaker 1: way past my bedtime, and this is way passed When

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Speaker 1: a lot of people thought that parole board hearing for

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Speaker 1: Eric Menndez thought it would be done a lot sooner

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Speaker 1: than now. But this thing went ten hours today started

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Speaker 1: A little bit ago. Eric Menendez has been denied, denied

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Speaker 1: parole by this parole board. They say he can come

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Speaker 1: So you got a different set of eyes, a different

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Speaker 1: Lyle's case will be considered based on his merits and

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Speaker 1: based on his behavior in prison, so he doesn't necessarily

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Speaker 1: as much emphasis on those rules violations. You just don't know. Yes,

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Speaker 1: to remember there's one other option, one other possibility. Right now,

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Speaker 1: Gavin Newsom can step in and get them out of prison.

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Speaker 1: He can grant them clemency anytime he sees fit. He

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Speaker 1: denies both Menindez brothers. It's tough to figure that the

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Speaker 1: guy who was setting up to run for president wants

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Speaker 1: parole board and let two double murderers out of prison.

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Speaker 1: Politics just comes into that, but take the politics out

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Speaker 1: of it. If he just went with the parole board,

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Speaker 1: why wouldn't he listen to the experts on this So

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Speaker 1: an extraordinary day with an extraordinary lack of details all day,

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Speaker 1: but this was the one that was anticipated for so long,

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Speaker 1: We'll keep an eye on it tomorrow as well, when

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Speaker 1: Lyle is up. We'll see how long that one goes.

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Speaker 1: But folks, just going to hop on and give you

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Speaker 1: all the update, and stayed up late to do so,

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Speaker 1: so I always appreciate you hanging with us. And a reminder,

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Speaker 1: Rogues is out on this one. She is in Bolder

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Speaker 1: dropping her daughter off for her sophomore year in college,

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Speaker 1: so Robes will be back with me soon. But now

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Speaker 1: I always appreciate you all listening.