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Speaker 1: Every day there are unexplained healings that some say are miraculous.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Mark Siegel, NYU Professor of Medicine, joins me with

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Speaker 1: his prescription for discovering miracles in your own life, especially

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Speaker 1: when facing a crisis. All on this edition of A

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Speaker 1: Royal Grande. Come on, I'm Raymond Arroyo. Welcome to Arroyo Grande.

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Speaker 1: Tonight has spent his life trying to heal illnesses, and

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Speaker 1: he's observed what others often miss, the miraculous. Doctor Mark

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Speaker 1: Siegel is a Fox News Senior Medical Analyst Clinical Professor

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Speaker 1: of Medicine at NYU langone Health, and he's captured his

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Speaker 1: findings in a new book, the number one New York

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Speaker 1: Times bestseller, The Miracles among Us How God's Grace plays

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Speaker 1: a role in healing. Doctor Mark Siegel, Welcome to a

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Speaker 1: Royal Grande. Now. Look, you've been a physician for over

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Speaker 1: thirty years at NYU langone in all that time, have

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Speaker 1: you witnessed moments that simply can't be explained by science alone.

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Speaker 1: Walk us through one of those moments, if you would.

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Speaker 2: The one that minted me. There's two events in my

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Speaker 2: life that minted me.

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Speaker 1: Huh.

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Speaker 2: The first was when my oldest son was born. And

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Speaker 2: this is a non medical story. I was wandering the

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Speaker 2: streets trying to figure out my role in life, as

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Speaker 2: a lot of first time fathers are confused, and I

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Speaker 2: ran into a guy that was sitting on a folding

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Speaker 2: table with a prayer book, and he looked at me.

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Speaker 2: As I passed, he looked up. He gave me the

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Speaker 2: prayer book and he said, pray for the health of

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Speaker 2: your newborn son. I said, how do you know I

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Speaker 2: have newborn son? And he smiled. And when I walked on,

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Speaker 2: I looked back over my shoulder, thinking this guy must

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Speaker 2: not really be there. He was there, and he smiled back.

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Speaker 2: And after that I became religious. I decided to well,

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Speaker 2: and that, plus the idea of family values didn't hurt.

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Speaker 2: I'm bringing up a child. I wanted them to have

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Speaker 2: a regularity, not just my anxiety, you know. And the

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Speaker 2: whole idea of God, of course, is that it gives

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Speaker 2: you a calming feeling knowing that you're in the presence

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Speaker 2: of a greater truth, a greater reality. You fear God,

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Speaker 2: not your fellow man. All of that comes to you

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Speaker 2: the more that you pray. The other event that was

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Speaker 2: I was an intern, I was working one rotation in

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Speaker 2: and we were Their emotions were our emotions. Their snide

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Speaker 2: The family was at his bedside NonStop, day and night, praying,

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Speaker 2: Look his blood pressure is going up. Look did you

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Speaker 2: see he twitched his eye. He's breathing a little faster.

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Speaker 2: And I felt that that was going to be my future.

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Speaker 2: giving up, holding out, hope, prayers work, don't dismiss a family,

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Speaker 1: Huh is that the case where you said something else

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Speaker 2: It wasn't that case, but it's very similar to that point,

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Speaker 2: But that's all of that by the way, stuff I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark. We live in an age where science and

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Speaker 1: I mean you're trained to diagnose, to treat, to rely

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Speaker 2: Spinosa bar de Spinosa in the sixteen hundreds believe that

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Speaker 2: but you feel differently. There's an awe in an anatomy room.

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Speaker 2: sanctum of someone's life. The secrets I've heard over the years,

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Speaker 2: together that were falling apart. It's such a privilege, it

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Speaker 2: each person. On top of that, God manifests himself. As

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Speaker 2: I've just told you one story. There's twenty five examples

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Speaker 1: Doctor Siegel. You include stories in the book of patients

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Speaker 1: What did you learn from Damar's story and the role

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Speaker 2: You know, I started looking at anything that may have

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Speaker 2: he said, I had a skater on the Buffalo Skaters.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Siegel, you've interviewed spiritual healers medical missionaries alongside of

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Speaker 1: that could explain the bruised hands and the sleepiness. What

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Speaker 1: do you make of that.

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Speaker 2: I think that the fryability of his skin tissue is

432
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Speaker 2: age related, and I think that the swelling of his

433
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,160
Speaker 2: legs is from all the standing he does. But that's

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Speaker 2: probably why they did the MRI. They're not finding anything

435
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 2: wrong with the organs there. His blood tests are likely okay,

436
00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: we've seen them. And the emory of the heart. I

437
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:17,320
Speaker 2: have a theory on that. There's a cardiologist at Mount

438
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Speaker 2: Sinai who's one of the top in a country named Fooster,

439
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Speaker 2: and he believes in MRI of the heart for screening.

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Speaker 2: So clearly it's a big executive function thing. So somebody

441
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Speaker 2: is in the President's ear saying this is how we

442
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Speaker 2: screen now. It's not how I screen now, But a

443
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Speaker 2: lot of people use an MRI to look very carefully

444
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Speaker 2: at the heart and is apparently normal. It's pretty good

445
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Speaker 2: for seventy nine normal heart, normal MRIA, the abdomen, normal

446
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 2: cognitive tests, you know, normal blood pressure, normal cholesterol. I

447
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 2: think you know. And again I don't. I haven't examined

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Speaker 2: the president. I've interviewed him multiple times. I find him

449
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 2: to be very engaging. I don't know why they would

450
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Speaker 2: be talking about his cognition doesn't seem it seems pretty advanced.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I was just with him a couple of

452
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Speaker 1: weeks ago in the Oval Office. He remembers names and dates,

453
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Speaker 1: and I mean he has an amazing retentive memory actually.

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Speaker 1: And on top of it, he has the thing that

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Speaker 1: most that any Alzheimer's sufferer would never have a quick

456
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Speaker 1: sense of humor. He's on it. That is that to

457
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,399
Speaker 1: me is the big tell that he's he's with it

458
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Speaker 1: more than I think some of his political enemies would

459
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Speaker 1: like to admit.

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Speaker 2: But you know, you and I have something in common.

461
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 2: And I'm flattering myself now by saying this. We're both

462
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Speaker 2: quick on our feet on the air, and that's a

463
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Speaker 2: sign of advanced cognition. He has that too, Yes, And

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Speaker 2: if he had a reality show today, if he went

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Speaker 2: back and did The Apprentice again, it would be forty

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Speaker 2: million viewers.

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Speaker 1: So I don't and probably two hours a night. You know,

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Speaker 1: they to extend it. But he's the old he is

469
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Speaker 1: the oldest president in American History, doctor Mark. He's also

470
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Speaker 1: been diagnosed with chronic venous insufficiency. For people who don't

471
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,440
Speaker 1: know what is that condition and how serious is that.

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Speaker 2: That's probably where the leg swelling is coming, which is

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Speaker 2: why I think the MRI was a huge overkill. They

474
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Speaker 2: wanted to make sure that that stopping of the drain,

475
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Speaker 2: if you will, didn't come from higher up, and they did.

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Speaker 2: If you do an MRI, the drains not stopped higher up.

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Speaker 2: What venus insufficiency means as you get older, your veins

478
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Speaker 2: in your legs, especially the superficial ones, have valves that

479
00:26:25,280 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 2: don't do as good a job at signaling. Let's get

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Speaker 2: the blood back to the heart, so the blood pools.

481
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Speaker 2: It's called venus pooling. It's extremely common with aging. It's

482
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Speaker 2: extremely benign.

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Speaker 1: Uh huh okay, good, doctor Siegel. I want to shift

484
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Speaker 1: gears to talk about the healthcare crisis that's really unfolding

485
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 1: right now. Enhanced Affordability Care Act that build the Obamacare

486
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Speaker 1: subsidies are set to expire at the end of December.

487
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Speaker 1: About twenty two to twenty four million Americans could see

488
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Speaker 1: their premiums more than double in January. As a medical professional,

489
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Speaker 1: what do you think is the right solution here, and

490
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Speaker 1: should these pandemic error subsidies be extended.

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Speaker 2: Well, I have to talk about what's practical. There's going

492
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: to need to be a band aid, otherwise there's going

493
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: to be another shutdown or at least people at each

494
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,000
Speaker 2: other's throat for a prolonged period. It's got to be

495
00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: a band aid. But we got to recognize that this

496
00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:28,200
Speaker 2: was a bait and switch because the Obamacare exchanges never worked,

497
00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 2: because the insurance companies promised more affordable care, but they

498
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 2: ended up sucking money out of the government and then

499
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Speaker 2: use the pandemic as an excuse, and it ends up

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Speaker 2: being hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars in subsidies

501
00:27:42,040 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 2: for an insurance that doesn't provide you care. I listened

502
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: carefully in two thousand and nine and I heard the

503
00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: word healthcare, and I knew they were talking about health insurance,

504
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: not healthcare. So crummy insurance where you have to pay

505
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,399
Speaker 2: a premium and then you have this huge deductible means

506
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 2: maybe you get a coonoscopy for free, but if it

507
00:28:01,000 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 2: finds something, you can't get the procedure to prepare it,

508
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: and you can't get the doctor to do it because

509
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,240
Speaker 2: the networks are so narrow. Then you don't even know

510
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,879
Speaker 2: the price of anything because there's no price transparency. Some

511
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 2: middleman is sucking profits out of the system. The drug

512
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: companies are working in cohoots with the insurance companies. That's

513
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 2: the system that Trump's trying to address. So his idea,

514
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:26,000
Speaker 2: but let's give the subsidies to the patient may sound ridiculous,

515
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,640
Speaker 2: but it's actually on the right road. Let's get free

516
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:32,119
Speaker 2: market into this. Let's get price transparency, let's get competition.

517
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Speaker 2: Let's stop bringing the system. Once we get rid of

518
00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: the individual mandate, the system was going to fall because

519
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 2: the individual mandate is an involuntary servitude to a system

520
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 2: that wasn't providing care. Once that went away, you know

521
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 2: what that scam was, Raymond. Let's put in young, healthy

522
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 2: people that don't need insurance at all, make them pay

523
00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 2: a premium, then we can pay for the sicker ones.

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Speaker 2: But what is that. That's not anything. That's a scam.

525
00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 2: So once there was no mandate, those younger people aren't

526
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Speaker 2: going to buy any of this stuff, and you're stuck

527
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,120
Speaker 2: with rising premiums that the government then props up. It's

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00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,640
Speaker 2: a broken system. I think they're going to put a

529
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Speaker 2: band aid. I'm hoping the Republicans win this, win this

530
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,640
Speaker 2: an with a year band aid, three year extension like

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Speaker 2: the demoico. The Schumberg's plan is ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: I want to move on because I read reports today

533
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 1: and this is troubling, and for some reason I don't

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00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: see it being widely reported. There are reports from China

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00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: of hospitals doctor Siegel battling an airborne virus that has

536
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 1: moved through seventeen provinces. Is this COVID two point zero?

537
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 1: What is this thing?

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00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:45,120
Speaker 2: I think what it is is and we've heard several

539
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: of these stories since COVID. What it is is you

540
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: can never tell what's coming out of China. You're not

541
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 2: going to get transparency with SARS one. You know, we

542
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 2: thought we were, We thought we demanded it. That's what

543
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,120
Speaker 2: the whole the biggest fallacy of the Bauci argument, By

544
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Speaker 2: the way, and I'm not getting into the whole issue

545
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 2: of pardons and forget about that. I'm talking about the

546
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Speaker 2: fact that he predicted we could have a global consortium

547
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 2: of scientists that would protect the world. That didn't happen

548
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 2: because China hit everything with SARS. Kov two, and then

549
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,280
Speaker 2: the who backed them up at the beginning, and then

550
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Speaker 2: we ended up with that. So the answer is, I

551
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: don't necessarily believe that there's a killer virus coming out

552
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,760
Speaker 2: of China right now that's going to destroy the world.

553
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 2: But you know what, we wouldn't know if it were.

554
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 2: And you know, of course the Chinese military is involved

555
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,800
Speaker 2: in bioweaponry. Of course sars kov two came out of

556
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 2: the lab and it was probably a biodefense strategy someone

557
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Speaker 2: else is going to create because it must have been

558
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Speaker 2: seedstock for a vaccine they were trying to create against

559
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Speaker 2: a potential bioweapon. All secretive, all distrustful, all dangerous. Nothing's changed.

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Speaker 1: Wow, So this thing could be brewing or maybe not.

561
00:30:57,120 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 1: We don't know.

562
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Speaker 2: When it is brewing. We're not going to know. We

563
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 2: don't have any We're not we don't We don't have

564
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: boots on the ground. I mean, how do we we

565
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:09,720
Speaker 2: We never are allowed boots on the ground, so we

566
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 2: don't have a way to overcome what you're talking about. Now.

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Speaker 2: It's pretty scary.

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Speaker 1: I'll say. I'll say, well, we will pray doctor that

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Speaker 1: that's not coming our way. I saw a story the

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Speaker 1: other day about doctors warning about these cosmetic fillers that

571
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Speaker 1: so many people are turning to to get rid of

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Speaker 1: their wrinkles, that that can lead to skin loss and

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Speaker 1: even blindness. How safe are these fillers, And I guess

574
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 1: they're talking about things like botox, right, which is botulism.

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Speaker 2: They're only safe in the hands of a highly trained

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Speaker 2: dermatologist or you know, if it's for migraines in and eurology,

577
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Speaker 2: somebody that really knows where to put them, what they're

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Speaker 2: doing and what the risk benefit is. And that that

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Speaker 2: applies to crazy stuff that's going on on TikTok young

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00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 2: young girls taking a rib out so that they look worse, veldt,

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00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 2: the whole, the whole. There's a rampant unhealthy movement on

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Speaker 2: TikTok now on social media that's based purely on narcissistic

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Speaker 2: body image and is extremely dangerous.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well you see the sad side effects. I mean

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Speaker 1: these people with you know, infections for their Brazilian butt

586
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Speaker 1: lifts that are done for you know a quarter. That's right.

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Speaker 2: Medical tourism isn't safe. You go down to Mexico and

588
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,280
Speaker 2: you have somebody stick a needle in you. I don't

589
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Speaker 2: know where that needle was before Stay out of China,

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Speaker 2: stay out of Mexico. I'd stay out of Venezuela right.

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Speaker 1: Now, Yeah, I would too, Dude. There was this story

592
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Speaker 1: I saw with who's the guy from Simon Cole? The

593
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: guy from American Idol Simon Cole apparently is having his

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Speaker 1: blood washed some kind of purification process where the blood

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Speaker 1: is cleaned in Majorca in Spain. Is that a safe procedure?

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Speaker 1: Is that something people should be doing.

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00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: That's a completely unsafe procedure because first of all, it

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00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 2: risks infection. Secondly, it risks damaging the blood cells, and

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00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: then you get something hemolysis, which can cause a stroke

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00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: or a blood clut of your lungs. I mean, you

601
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Speaker 2: know you don't want to take blood cells out. And thirdly,

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00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,120
Speaker 2: it doesn't even work. No, if you want to get

603
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 2: waste out of your body, you don't take the blood

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00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: cells out. You use the kidney and the liver. God

605
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 2: gave us a kidney in the liver.

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Speaker 1: So detox those and then let nature run its coores.

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Speaker 1: Doctor Siegel, one of the major themes in your book

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Speaker 1: is that healing requires more than just pills and procedures,

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Speaker 1: that it requires faith and hope and community. But our

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Speaker 1: healthcare system, I mean, it's increasingly bureaucratic and impersonal. How

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Speaker 1: do we get back to a model of medicine that

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Speaker 1: treats the whole person, body, soul and mind, because.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly what my books major message is. Because we're

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Speaker 2: going to have Navidia robots that clean the hospital floors,

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00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 2: We're gonna have AI that spits out reports and takes

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Speaker 2: a transcript. If you don't have a human center to

617
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 2: all of that, how tragic is it that? And he

618
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 2: recently gave AI better ratings on empathy than humans. That

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Speaker 2: shows we have a long way to go. And you know,

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Speaker 2: Raymond Arroyo is a very empathetic and caring guy. Mark

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Speaker 2: Siegel is too, But we didn't learn that. I didn't

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Speaker 2: learn that in medical school. We developed that, you know,

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00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 2: as part of how we were brought up. So we

624
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,399
Speaker 2: got to get back to our kids spending too much

625
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: time on iPhones? Yes, are they what's happening on social media?

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00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: Are they being bullied on an avatar or by an avatar?

627
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,600
Speaker 2: You know? Are they playing too many too many video games?

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00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: The culture is becoming violent, and it's becoming competitive, and

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Speaker 2: it's becoming. It's promoting insecurity, and it's top down too

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Speaker 2: because parents are doing it as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Mark, one of the most powerful stories in the

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00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 1: book in your book is about a medical missionary in

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Speaker 1: Sudan who performed a successful cancer surgery. It's really amazing.

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00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 1: Tell us how this happened and why was it so miraculous.

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00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 2: This man is a miracle himself. He trained in family practice.

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00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 2: He went to Brown University where I went, which which

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00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:07,000
Speaker 2: means I've been hearing about him for years because they

638
00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 2: keep writing him up. He's a superstar, and he was

639
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: a Navy flight surgeon, but he never trained as a surgeon.

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00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 2: He taught himself surgery and went to the mountains of Sudan,

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00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: the Nuba Mountains, right in that war zone area and

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00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: where all the refugees are, millions of them, and he

643
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,719
Speaker 2: opened up a hospital which is the only hospital for

644
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:31,440
Speaker 2: hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of miles, and he performed surgery.

645
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,759
Speaker 2: He does over a thousand cases a year himself, and

646
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 2: he uses outdated anesthesia with bellows, he uses autoclaves to

647
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:48,480
Speaker 2: sterilize equipment, and he has a sparse staff. So one

648
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:53,440
Speaker 2: day another family practitioner is visiting him from DC, and

649
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: a young girl comes in who's nine years old, and

650
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 2: she's got a bloated abdomen. So he does a catskin

651
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: and he finds Wilm's tumors cancer of both kidneys, and

652
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: he says, you know, I've removed one kidney before, but

653
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:09,399
Speaker 2: I've never removed one and a half kidneys. I don't

654
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,040
Speaker 2: know how to do it. Because if you don't preserve

655
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: that good half, there's no dialysis over there. So you

656
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,879
Speaker 2: got to preserve that. So the other guy says, we'll

657
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: go on the internet. Maybe there's an instructional video. But

658
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 2: Katina says, my guy says, the internet hasn't worked here

659
00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 2: in weeks and weeks and weeks. What Internet? You can't

660
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 2: even get email here. So other guy says, why don't

661
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: you try. So they go over to the computer and

662
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 2: they bang on the computer and all of a sudden,

663
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:41,240
Speaker 2: a miracle occurs. The Internet goes on out of nowhere,

664
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:44,520
Speaker 2: but it's very slow. So they it's like, where does

665
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: this internet come from? He hasn't even seen it. He

666
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:51,440
Speaker 2: searches out and finds a video on this exact surgery

667
00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 2: of instructional video, but Raymond it's in Polish. It's in Polish,

668
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,520
Speaker 2: which he doesn't speak, which he doesn't speak a word of,

669
00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:03,040
Speaker 2: and it's using equipment they don't have. So they start

670
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: watching this video trying to learn whatever they can glean

671
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: whatever they can carefully watching and the thing crashes in

672
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,439
Speaker 2: the middle of it. So one says to the other,

673
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,280
Speaker 2: do we know enough to do this operation? Katina says,

674
00:37:15,840 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: what choice do we have? So they go to do

675
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,359
Speaker 2: the surgery. They take out the one bad kidney, they

676
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 2: take out half of the good kidney, They estimate where

677
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 2: the cancer ends. They follow the procedures from the Polish video.

678
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 2: The women, the baby, the nine year old, survives. They

679
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 2: get her through chemo because they don't have radiation therapy.

680
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 2: She goes back home and she comes back in several

681
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: months later, completely fine and healed with God's help. Let

682
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:45,399
Speaker 2: me pray.

683
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll say, what an incredible story, Doctor Siegel, you

684
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 1: write powerfully in this book about the role miracles among us,

685
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:58,440
Speaker 1: about the role of prayer in healing. Now, you're a physician,

686
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: you're a scientist, but you well you're also you're also

687
00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: saying here that prayer matters. And a lot of doctors

688
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: seem to be uncomfortable with that. How do you address

689
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: this with patients? Do you encourage them to pray and

690
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,120
Speaker 1: do you pray with them?

691
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 2: I encourage them to pray. I pray with them, I

692
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,759
Speaker 2: encourage family to pray with them. And no doctors have

693
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,919
Speaker 2: given me a hard time yet on this book, even

694
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,840
Speaker 2: though it's selling like hotcakes, because doctors believe too. Surveys

695
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: show that seventy five percent of doctors are religious, whether

696
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: they admit it or not, and seventy percent believe in

697
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 2: medical miracles. I'm telling them, combine the two when you

698
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 2: go to the bedside, because it makes you a sharper healer,

699
00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 2: more of a healer. You're not going to compromise the science.

700
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 2: I'm not saying a voice from above says, don't operate.

701
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that. I'm saying, combine the two right

702
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:46,920
Speaker 2: there at the bedside.

703
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:50,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, you've spent decades in medicine. I mean, you've

704
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:55,080
Speaker 1: seen miracles as as you've chronicled in this book, and

705
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:58,719
Speaker 1: you've seen tragedies. What keeps you going? What gives you

706
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: hope that you're facing a case? That's see it. When

707
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 1: you're facing a case it seems hopeless.

708
00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 2: Well, it's that remembrance of that guy that walked out

709
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 2: of the ICU. It's knowing that I'm doing God's will.

710
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: It's family situations where people have overcome, like my parents

711
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: being one hundred and two and one hundred. It's my

712
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: patient Dick. I have a patient that I put at

713
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 2: the end of the book named Dick, who is eighty five.

714
00:39:24,080 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 2: He has survived four cancers. He has survived lung disease.

715
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: He's survived not transplant but bypass surgery. He survived the

716
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 2: neurological disorder where he supposedly couldn't walk. We got him

717
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 2: up walking again. He's like a surfer that surfed just

718
00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 2: ahead of the latest technology. He had incurable liver cancer,

719
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,799
Speaker 2: but they came out with the seeds just in time

720
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 2: to cure it. And so I said to him, what's

721
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,359
Speaker 2: the secret of all of these miracles compounding each other.

722
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 2: He says, I'm staying alive to take your phone calls, Doc.

723
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 2: And by the way he smokes, he smoked, Why can't

724
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:02,479
Speaker 2: get I can't get him to stop smoking? He says, Look,

725
00:40:02,520 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: you have to have something in life that makes you happy.

726
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 2: I can't get him to stop.

727
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: He's got to he's got to take up dancing or something.

728
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,040
Speaker 1: The smokes are a bad trend in the midst of

729
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:17,440
Speaker 1: all this, doctor, what would you tell people, particularly families

730
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 1: people watching this who are now have a grave diagnosis

731
00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: or have been told, you know, you've got to get

732
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 1: right to surgery. What would be your advice to them

733
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:31,120
Speaker 1: about where their their heads should be and the role

734
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 1: of faith in their journey.

735
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 2: Well, they have to have faith, and it's got to

736
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:37,760
Speaker 2: be strong, and they should be praying, and they should

737
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: be praying all along and keep a regular mindset of

738
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 2: prayer going. That helps. I think community prayer helps. I

739
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: think believing in your doctor helps. Your doctor can be

740
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,120
Speaker 2: a healer. I want to tell you out there that

741
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 2: I don't care whether your doctor is religious or not.

742
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 2: I just care that they're open to the idea of

743
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 2: a greater spiritual reality that's guiding them. You don't want

744
00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: somebody that's closed to it. You want someone that's open

745
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 2: to it. You know, Michael Boden is in my book,

746
00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:10,359
Speaker 2: and we both know him well, and he's not really

747
00:41:10,360 --> 00:41:13,560
Speaker 2: a believer, but he believes in a larger reality than

748
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 2: his ability to comprehend. And he has a very funny

749
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,359
Speaker 2: story in a book about a guy who wouldn't die

750
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,240
Speaker 2: kept going to the morgue and he was still alive,

751
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,640
Speaker 2: and they kept sending it, sending him there the wrong way.

752
00:41:23,000 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 2: At the end, at the end of the book, I say,

753
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,240
Speaker 2: and I talk. I write in that chapter about coffins

754
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 2: where people go there with ringing the bell and they

755
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 2: have tubes so they can breathe in case they're not

756
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,600
Speaker 2: really dead. And at the end, I say, Boden may

757
00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: not believe, but he has that kind of voice that

758
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,840
Speaker 2: you will soothe you on your way into the next world.

759
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,799
Speaker 1: I love that mark. You end the book with a

760
00:41:44,840 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 1: beautiful prayer guide. That was kind of unexpected. I this

761
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: was the last thing I thought you'd put in a

762
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,520
Speaker 1: book like this. Why was that important for you to include?

763
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 1: And what do you hope readers take from that?

764
00:41:56,480 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 2: I kind of knew that that that was something. It

765
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,879
Speaker 2: amplified my message, which is prayer is an important part

766
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: of healing. Here are some healing prayers. And then I

767
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 2: went around and asked some of the main characters in

768
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,319
Speaker 2: the book if they could provide them, and to my

769
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 2: absolute joy, they wrote them. Cardinal Dowan wrote a prayer

770
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:20,359
Speaker 2: for me about how God is closer to you when

771
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 2: you're suffering, when you're sick, you know. Shannon Breem, who

772
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,200
Speaker 2: wrote the forward, wrote a prayer from me. Brett Baer

773
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: wrote a prayer that guided them every day when Paul

774
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 2: was young. You know, in the hospital, I used one

775
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:35,799
Speaker 2: of Dodeo Stein's Daughter's prayers that just beautiful. Some are

776
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 2: from Psalms. So there ended up being So it grew

777
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: and it grew into this Pastor Sam, it grew into

778
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: this collection that is something you could really take with

779
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 2: you to the bedside.

780
00:42:46,200 --> 00:42:47,400
Speaker 1: Wow, it's incredible.

781
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 2: And it's not just one faith, which is another message

782
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:52,239
Speaker 2: in the book. It doesn't matter what your faith is.

783
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:53,760
Speaker 2: It matters that you believe.

784
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, that you believe in God and that you give

785
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: yourself to Him. But there's something I do on every show,

786
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 1: Doctor Siegel, of my Royal Grande Questionnaire. I'm going to

787
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 1: submit you to this as well. What's the best advice

788
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:07,480
Speaker 1: you've ever received?

789
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,400
Speaker 2: Well, the best advice I've ever received is to believe

790
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: in a higher being that will comfort you, and that's

791
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:17,879
Speaker 2: who you should be afraid of. God, not fellow men.

792
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,800
Speaker 1: Wow, what's the worst advice you've ever received?

793
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:23,640
Speaker 2: My father said, recently that he lived to one hundred

794
00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 2: and two. If someone threw a punch at him, he ducked.

795
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: I go, you're giving me that advice now when you're

796
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: one hundred and two. How about when I was five?

797
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,480
Speaker 1: A little late on the drawer there, dad. What do

798
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 1: you know, doctor Siegel that no one else knows.

799
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:44,480
Speaker 2: I know that faith and science can be combined, and

800
00:43:44,600 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 2: I know that it's wrong to use science to evaluate

801
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 2: whether faith is working. Let's use faith to evaluate whether

802
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: science is working. Why is this dichotomy?

803
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 1: I know that fascinating. What's your favorite book and the

804
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: last great book you read?

805
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,640
Speaker 2: My favorite book is Anna Karenina because not knowing when

806
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 2: I read it again, I'm a famous person for not

807
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 2: knowing something you know and then having it like I

808
00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 2: didn't know that I met my wife because of the Rebbe.

809
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: I only realized that when I wrote the chapter. And

810
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:18,880
Speaker 2: Anna Krennada was my favorite book because I loved the characters.

811
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: I loved Anna, and I loved Levin, and I love

812
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,000
Speaker 2: the way Tolstoy told a story without knowing that the

813
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:27,360
Speaker 2: entire Russian Revolution was based on that book. When I

814
00:44:27,400 --> 00:44:29,759
Speaker 2: met my wife, my first line to her was how

815
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 2: old were you when you read Anna Krenna? She said twelve.

816
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:34,520
Speaker 2: I was in love. Then I found out everybody in

817
00:44:34,560 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: the Soviet Union read it at the age of twelve,

818
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 2: so I didn't know the history of it. But I

819
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:42,799
Speaker 2: love I love the narrative. I liked narrative fiction a lot,

820
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: historically based narrative fiction.

821
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 1: How about you, Well, I love biographies, I love histories,

822
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: but I read fiction. I read a lot of fiction,

823
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 1: like mysteries and that's my you know, fantasy books, but

824
00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:59,480
Speaker 1: mostly fiction. I love mysteries and fiction. Since the time

825
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,640
Speaker 1: I was a kid, I was a big Agatha Christy

826
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: Conan Doyle, Nagio March guy. That was my That was

827
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: my my jam and still is kind of. I like

828
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: the trick of it. I like to see if they

829
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: can turn, you know, twist it around at the end.

830
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:16,840
Speaker 1: The best can, though some of these mystery writers today

831
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: just can't. It's it's either obvious or they cheat you.

832
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,160
Speaker 1: They withhold things they don't tell you doctor, which drives

833
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,560
Speaker 1: me crazy. What's your greatest fear?

834
00:45:30,760 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 2: My greatest fear is that someone I trust will end

835
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,520
Speaker 2: up being someone I can't, And that happens, and it's

836
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,040
Speaker 2: hard to deal with I have that's happened to me,

837
00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 2: and it's hard to deal with, and I try to.

838
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:47,600
Speaker 2: I try to handle it by reinventing the person or

839
00:45:47,600 --> 00:45:50,040
Speaker 2: by showing them kindness and see if I was wrong

840
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:51,360
Speaker 2: turning it back around.

841
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's there's nothing worse than that kind of betrayal.

842
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: When you put your trust in somebody.

843
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,240
Speaker 2: It doesn't happen that often. Most of the time people

844
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 2: are good. Most of the time. You can bring out

845
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: the good people.

846
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:02,800
Speaker 1: Yep, I agree.

847
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:04,240
Speaker 2: But you you're a great person.

848
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: You're absolutely Now the whole audience is going to ask you,

849
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, they want to see the breakdown of how

850
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 1: you came to that determination. So I'm going to leave

851
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,080
Speaker 1: that aside. What's your greatest regret, doctor Siegel.

852
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 2: It's not what I thought it was going to be,

853
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,840
Speaker 2: because you got me at a very good time. My

854
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:24,319
Speaker 2: greatest regret for years when I wrote my I'm working

855
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 2: on a novel now that I've been working on.

856
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 1: From Wow historical novel.

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Speaker 2: It's a medical mystery, but half of it takes place

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Speaker 2: in the seventeenth seventeen hundreds in the vampire times. It's

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Speaker 2: not really a vampire book, but it's I look at

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Speaker 2: that period, and that's a backbone of part of the novel.

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Speaker 2: It takes place in seventeen thirty two and in twenty

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Speaker 2: thirty two, and one of the greatest moments of my

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Speaker 2: life was that I had Jason Epstein read it before

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Speaker 2: he died. Maybe the greatest editor in history. He was

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Speaker 2: the Bokoff's editor. He was Philip Roth's editor. And Jason

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Speaker 2: reads this and he says, I need to talk to you.

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Speaker 2: And his wife, who we both know well, is like,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what he's going to say, because he

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Speaker 2: hates every book I ever give him to read. It's

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Speaker 2: like so offensive to him. He sits down and he

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Speaker 2: says to me, and this was years ago. I keep

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Speaker 2: rewriting it, making it better. He said, this is one

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Speaker 2: of the top five novels I've read in the past

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Speaker 2: fifteen years. He says, You've wasted your life being a doctor,

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Speaker 2: he tells me. And I was his doctor. I was

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Speaker 2: his doctor. He says to me, Vladimir would love this book.

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Speaker 2: You should have spent your whole life writing these But

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Speaker 2: at the time it was a regret. But right now,

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Speaker 2: with the way The Miracles among Us is doing and

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Speaker 2: the way I've put it all together. I'm feeling pretty

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Speaker 2: good about it, so I'm not in a regretful mood.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not really a regret. That sounds like that

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Speaker 1: sounds like the next step in the journey doctor. To me. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: I love that, and it's a mystery. So I'll read

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Speaker 1: it what happens when this is over, doctor Siegel, this

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Speaker 1: being I let you interpret it, this life, this interview,

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Speaker 1: this day. But I think for me life what happens

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Speaker 1: when it's over.

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Speaker 2: I don't want to have regrets when it's over. I

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Speaker 2: love the way my family's coming along, my children, I

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Speaker 2: have a great wife. I feel very good about the

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Speaker 2: way I'm living my life, the way I'm communicating on TV.

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Speaker 2: I like, you don't get a lot out of being

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Speaker 2: patted on the back by our audience, but I like that.

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Speaker 2: I feel I'm doing something in terms of communicating medicine

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Speaker 2: to people policy like we did today. I think I'm

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Speaker 2: a good communicator. I love the fact that my writing

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Speaker 2: is succeeding to this level because it's very important to me.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think I'll have any regrets. I think

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Speaker 2: I'll miss that life isn't longer.

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Speaker 1: Hm, I you don't have more time. I think we'll

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Speaker 1: all regret that.

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Speaker 2: A little bit one hundred and two is pretty good though.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean your genes. I mean, my goodness, your

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Speaker 1: dad's one hundred and two.

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Speaker 2: Ho old your mom a hundred?

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I mean, come on, you got it. Well,

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Speaker 1: you've got another lifetime to live. You've got plenty of

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Speaker 1: time to write those books, doctor Siegel, So do you. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's stay at it. Well, we'll encourage each other. Doctor

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Speaker 1: Mark Siegel's incredible book, The Miracles among Us How God's

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Speaker 1: Grace plays a Role in Healing, is available at bookstores everywhere,

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Speaker 1: of course, at the top of the New York Times chart,

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Speaker 1: which is no easy task. I'll tell you, having gotten

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Speaker 1: there a couple of times, it's it's it's a slog.

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Speaker 1: Incredible congratulations, it really is. But congratulations. A blessed holiday

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Speaker 1: season to you and Christmas season, and we'll see you

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Speaker 1: in the new year, doctor Siegel.

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Speaker 2: Great to be on with you, Raymond.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, great with you, and I hope you'll come

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Speaker 1: back to a royal grande soon. Why live a dry,

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Speaker 1: constricted life when if you fill it with good things,

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Speaker 1: it can flow into a broad thriving Arroyo Grande. I'm

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Speaker 1: Raymond Royo. Make sure you subscribe like this episode. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for diving in. We'll see you next time. A Royal

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