1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,800 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants. Let's go Giants. 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 2: Out the Giants, Mobul give me some job Part of 3 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 2: the Giants Podcast netwill welcome to anothertion of the Giants 4 00:00:11,800 --> 00:00:14,079 Speaker 2: little podcast brought to you by Citizens Official Bank of 5 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,000 Speaker 2: the New York Football Giants. A special audio only episode 6 00:00:17,079 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 2: coming your way today on the podcast feed. Both pulled 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,159 Speaker 2: the teen and I talked to five beer reporters that 8 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: are covering five teams that could impact the New York 9 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 2: Football Giants and their quest for a quarterback this offseason. 10 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: So here are the people we talked to, and I'll 11 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: go in reverse order. So we talked to Jordan rodrig 12 00:00:34,520 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: who is a fantastic beat reporter. 13 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,879 Speaker 1: She covers the Rams for the Athletics. 14 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 3: She's last. 15 00:00:40,720 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 2: We talked to Jerry Dulac from the Pittsburgh Post Gazette. 16 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 2: He covers the Pittsburgh Steelers, who have two veteran quarterbacks 17 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 2: that are hitting the free agent market. We talked to 18 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: Eddie Pascal, who covers the Raiders for the team's official site. 19 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: They pick obviously three picks past the Giants. Then we 20 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 2: talked to Aaron Goldhammer, who covers the Rounds for ESPN 21 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 2: Cleveland and finally we have our first interview, which is 22 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 2: a Jim Wyatt who covers the Tennessee Titans for the 23 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 2: team's official site. 24 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: Let's start there. 25 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 2: All right now, we're joined by Jim Wide, he covers 26 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 2: the Titans for Tennessee Titans dot Com. Jim, you have 27 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: a chance to talk to your GM and your head 28 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 2: coach out here. What have you gleamed about the Titans 29 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 2: plans with the first offer all. 30 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 4: Pick, Well, I think they're open for anything. 31 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: You know. 32 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 4: That's sticking and picking, that's that's listening to offers for 33 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:29,559 Speaker 4: a trade, and that's exploring every position in this draft, 34 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 4: whether it's quarterback, whether it's Ed Rush, or whether it's 35 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 4: a cornerback receiver like Travis Hunter. And I think they're 36 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:37,840 Speaker 4: just at the start of this process. I was with 37 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:40,559 Speaker 4: those guys at the Shrine Bowl, at the Senior Bowl, 38 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 4: and ire at the Combine, and they're gonna do a 39 00:01:42,120 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: lot of work between now and the draft to figure 40 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 4: out who they think is the best player in this draft, 41 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:51,800 Speaker 4: who whether they think it's worth picking them or whether 42 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 4: they get an offer they can't refuse. 43 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 5: When you say offer, they can't refuse. Do you get 44 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 5: the impression that it's more like they're wanting the phone 45 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 5: to ring and they'll field those things in that regard, 46 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 5: or it's like we don't want the phone to bring 47 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 5: we really want to stay pack and take our guy. 48 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:07,400 Speaker 4: I mean, I think that remains to be seen, and 49 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 4: I think that, you know, I think during the course 50 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 4: of the next couple of weeks, you know, when they're 51 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 4: through with this process, when they're through maybe hosting players 52 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,480 Speaker 4: in these thirty visits, actual they go to Pro days, 53 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,760 Speaker 4: I think they have a better idea then now. I 54 00:02:20,800 --> 00:02:23,639 Speaker 4: think for me, somebody who's covered the team since ninety 55 00:02:23,720 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 4: nine has seen and see the position that the Titans 56 00:02:28,080 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 4: are in right now, I realize they need more than 57 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: one player, so and they need more draft picks. So 58 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 4: it makes sense to me, unless you're absolutely fall in 59 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 4: love with a guy that your figure as a can't 60 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 4: miss player, it makes sense to me to move back 61 00:02:40,000 --> 00:02:43,800 Speaker 4: a little bit, get some extra picks, and and then 62 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 4: you know, try to rebuild the team in time. But 63 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 4: they need a quarterback. And if you figure out one 64 00:02:51,880 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 4: of these quarterbacks is potentially the next Jade and Daniels, 65 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:58,960 Speaker 4: somebody who can help turn your franchise around in a hurry, 66 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:01,799 Speaker 4: then maybe you pick that. I'm a little bit skeptical 67 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,760 Speaker 4: about that being the case in this year's draft, but 68 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 4: these guys know a lot more than I do. 69 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, and look the giants that we've t we talked 70 00:03:08,440 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 2: to Joshan the other day, they feel a lot of pressure. 71 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:12,800 Speaker 2: I'll use the word to find a quarterback, whether it's 72 00:03:12,800 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 2: a veteran of a rookie. Do you feel like the 73 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 2: Titans feel like they need to figure the quarterback out 74 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 2: this year or are the comfortable all right, Look, we can 75 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 2: bring Will Levis back and we're happy to roll it 76 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 2: back with him. Yeah. 77 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 4: I mean, you never say never, and not just with 78 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:29,519 Speaker 4: in Tennessee, but across the league. You see sometimes a 79 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:32,120 Speaker 4: team's ready to move on from somebody and then because 80 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 4: of circumstances, you know, you end up giving that guy 81 00:03:35,120 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 4: more time. I'm not saying that's happened with Will Levis, 82 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,120 Speaker 4: but I think the team's gonna explore options in free agency. 83 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 4: You may not get the guy you want there. I 84 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 4: think the team will explore the guys in this draft. 85 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 4: You may not like what you see there. So I 86 00:03:48,040 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 4: do think Will Levis is gonna be back in the 87 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 4: mix next year. Competing now, whether it's competing against a veteran, 88 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,640 Speaker 4: whether it's competing against the first round pick, whether he's 89 00:03:56,680 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 4: competing against Mason Rudolph. Again, Yeah, I think that's not 90 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 4: a real likely scenario. I think certainly a new face 91 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 4: is gonna be in that room. It's just a matter 92 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 4: of who it's gonna be. But Levis is gonna get 93 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:09,320 Speaker 4: a chance at least. 94 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 5: If they would move down to get a collection of picks, 95 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 5: because they have multiple holes to fill. Chances are, though 96 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 5: the Giants are only at three, you would probably want 97 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 5: to move down further to get a bigger shopping card 98 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 5: of picks, would you not? 99 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 3: I don't know. 100 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's one school of thought. You can 101 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 4: get a lot more to pick, you get a lot 102 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:28,280 Speaker 4: more in return if you move further back. But if 103 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:30,520 Speaker 4: you move further back, you also miss out on one 104 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: of those guys who's considered quote unquote generational talent. Like 105 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 4: I think you can't move too far back and still 106 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 4: get Abdul Carter or a good Travis Hunter. 107 00:04:40,880 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: Uh, you know, is that important to them? 108 00:04:43,240 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 6: You think? Well? 109 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 4: I think I think it should be. I mean, because 110 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 4: I think you need impact players and the Titans need 111 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:55,159 Speaker 4: edge rushers, they need guys or dynamic playmakers. I think 112 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 4: both quarter and Hunter fit the bill there. They need 113 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 4: a quarterback, but again, unless you love one of those guys, 114 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 4: I don't think you pick a quarterback and and hope 115 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 4: he develops. Titian's are already two years into that with 116 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 4: Will Levis. I don't know if you want to go 117 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 4: through that again. So if there's more of a sure 118 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:15,919 Speaker 4: thing I think for you, I used to tell us, like, 119 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 4: they go out and get somebody in March, then that 120 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:22,240 Speaker 4: need to pick a quarterback goes away, and then you 121 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 4: can kind of determine your best course action there with 122 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 4: these other players. 123 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 1: Jim good Stuff. 124 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: Appreciate the time, Okay, I appreciate it. 125 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:31,600 Speaker 1: And now we're joined by Aaron Goldhammer. 126 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: He's the morning drive host on ESPN Cleveland covers the Browns. 127 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: Mister Goldhammer, good to talk to my friend. Good to 128 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: talk to you. 129 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,440 Speaker 6: I'm sick of seeing the two of us at the combine, 130 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 6: so we need to get out of the top five 131 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 6: of the draft. Are two teams. 132 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 2: Absolutely also one of my best friends from college, and 133 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 2: we hope we can tell some Lance Metal stories at 134 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:48,719 Speaker 2: the end of the show. 135 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,040 Speaker 1: If you want. That could be a lot of fun. 136 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 1: There're short ones. 137 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 2: For former roommate of Lance Mettal by the way right here, 138 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 2: So a lot of stories there, But let's get to 139 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 2: the at hand. 140 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:02,360 Speaker 1: What the hell of the Brown's doing a quarterback? 141 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 7: Go? 142 00:06:03,720 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 6: I again a question I'm sick of answering over the 143 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 6: last twenty years. 144 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 2: Yes, please don't summarize that. We don't have enough time 145 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: over the last twenty years of Browns quarterback. 146 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,159 Speaker 6: I think if Adam Schefter says that the thing that 147 00:06:15,200 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 6: he's most convinced upon is that the Browns are going 148 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 6: to take one of these quarterbacks at the top of 149 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 6: the draft, who am I to disagree with him. They're 150 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 6: also in a position now because of the money that 151 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 6: they're paying to Sean Watson, they need to find a 152 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 6: good quarterback for cheap, so they're out of all of 153 00:06:29,000 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 6: these Sam Darnold, Matthew Stafford. They're not going to get 154 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:35,239 Speaker 6: into any of those conversations because they can't afford those guys. 155 00:06:35,279 --> 00:06:37,599 Speaker 6: So if I had to guess right now, John, I 156 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,960 Speaker 6: think that the starting quarterback for the first game for 157 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,560 Speaker 6: the Browns this year will either be cam Ward or 158 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 6: Shad or Sanders. 159 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 5: Right now the Miles Garrett situation where he just came 160 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:51,640 Speaker 5: in and told everybody that I'm sick of losing, I 161 00:06:51,680 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 5: want to win, I want. 162 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: To go somewhere. 163 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 5: Will his situation possibly change when he sees who the 164 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 5: Browns get to be the new quarterback? 165 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 6: I only Miles can answer that, but I think there's 166 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,480 Speaker 6: a lot of toothpaste out of the tube on this, Paul. 167 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,480 Speaker 6: I mean, I think what he said, he's not holding 168 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,680 Speaker 6: out or requesting a trade because of a financial thing. 169 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 6: But most of these holdouts whatever, are about money. That 170 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 6: this situation has nothing to do with money. It has 171 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 6: to do with him saying that he wants to go 172 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,280 Speaker 6: somewhere where he feels confident that he can win. And 173 00:07:22,320 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 6: when he does that, it's a repudiation of the coaching staff, 174 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 6: of the front office, and of his teammates. So I 175 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 6: think it's gonna be tough in my mind. And Andrew 176 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 6: Berry's been steadfast. They're not trading him, But I think 177 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 6: tough in my mind for him to walk back into 178 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:37,680 Speaker 6: that locker room with a straight face and be able 179 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 6: to look his teammates in the eye. So my guess 180 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 6: is that this is going to be a long term showdown. 181 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 6: I would expect a training camp. Cameras are going to 182 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 6: be stationed. Is Miles going to show up? The Browns 183 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 6: aren't gonna want to trade him. I think we're looking 184 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 6: at a long drawn out process for the Browns and 185 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 6: Miles Garret. 186 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 2: Any chance the Browns are so enamored with one of 187 00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 2: these two draft rookies that they say we need to 188 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:02,120 Speaker 2: move up a spot to number one, and they like 189 00:08:02,160 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 2: hand over like a second or third round, they just 190 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: to swap with Tennessee yeah. 191 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 6: I think that's within the realm of possibility. I think 192 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 6: they like I think they My sense is that they're 193 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 6: open to both quarterbacks right now, but I think they 194 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 6: know more about Shador Sanders than they do cam Ward. 195 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 6: I think that's everybody in this process right because he 196 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:21,880 Speaker 6: was at the Shrine game, because he's been exposed to 197 00:08:21,960 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 6: these executives already. 198 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: His life's been on reality television correct. 199 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 6: See yes, And I think that the Browns, like many 200 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 6: of the evaluators, will come out of the process liking 201 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 6: cam Ward significantly better. And so I think if they 202 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,680 Speaker 6: determine he's their guy and they think someone else, the 203 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 6: Giants is thinking about moving up from three to one 204 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,560 Speaker 6: or six to one. I think the Browns have to 205 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 6: be aggressive and make sure that they're able to nail 206 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 6: the quarterback that they want. 207 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 5: You know, the longer we go in this process, the 208 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 5: more and more people seem to believe that there is 209 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 5: a gap, that Ward is the more talented guy ahead 210 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,880 Speaker 5: of Sanders. But then there'll be some holdout, so we'll 211 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 5: say Sanders may be a better fit in certain schemes 212 00:09:00,720 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 5: and certain offenses than Ward. 213 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: How do you think he would fit with Cleveland? 214 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:08,800 Speaker 6: I think that both quarterbacks could fit. I think that 215 00:09:08,960 --> 00:09:12,360 Speaker 6: Shadoor Sanders has a higher floor and I wouldn't be 216 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:15,120 Speaker 6: surprised if he had a better rookie year than cam 217 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 6: Ward does. I think that cam Ward is the only 218 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 6: quarterback in this draft that has the potential to be 219 00:09:21,040 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 6: an elite NFL quarterback. I would worry if you draft 220 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 6: Shadoor that he'd have a nice rookie year and he's 221 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 6: going to be the fourteenth or thirteenth best quarterback in 222 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 6: the NFL. And I think that's a nightmare of a 223 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 6: place to be because then eventually you're gonna have to 224 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 6: make a decision about whether you want to sign that 225 00:09:38,559 --> 00:09:39,679 Speaker 6: guy long term or. 226 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: Not, and then you're staring at two and you're the 227 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:41,559 Speaker 1: Mammi Dolphins. 228 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 6: I grew up in Denver. John knows this, and I'm 229 00:09:44,280 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 6: a Broncos fan, and I think we're moving into this 230 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 6: world with Boon Nicks, who had a really nice rookie season. 231 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:53,400 Speaker 6: But does anybody want to pay bo Knicks? I mean, 232 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 6: I'll ask you guys. Daniel Jones was a nice quarterback 233 00:09:57,280 --> 00:09:59,199 Speaker 6: for a year, then you started paying him a lot 234 00:09:59,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 6: of money and it's of affected a lot of decisions 235 00:10:01,920 --> 00:10:02,400 Speaker 6: moving forward. 236 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,319 Speaker 3: So that's my. 237 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 6: Fear with Shador is that he'll be a fine quarterback, 238 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 6: but I don't know that you could win big in 239 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 6: this league, the biggest prizes with fine quarterbacks. 240 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: Hamer Safe travels back to Cleveland, my friend. 241 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:14,520 Speaker 3: Thank you, guys. 242 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,040 Speaker 2: The Giants Little Podcast is brought to you by Citizens, 243 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:19,439 Speaker 2: the official bank of the Giants. 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How they go to approach it 253 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 2: here in the offseason. 254 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think what's been really interesting for us is 255 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 8: kind of just hearing the i'm gonna say transparency from 256 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 8: both John and Pete about it's gonna be kind of 257 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 8: this reworked reramp situation and look like coming into India, 258 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 8: it's not a state secret at all, Like the Raiders 259 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:56,880 Speaker 8: are gonna have to improve the going back position, They're 260 00:10:56,880 --> 00:10:58,920 Speaker 8: gonna have to rebuild that room. But do you hear 261 00:10:58,960 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 8: that the head coach and the really kind of not 262 00:11:01,600 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 8: take any options off the table. I think was kind 263 00:11:03,920 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 8: of illuminating for us, And so I think it'll be 264 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 8: really interesting obviously free agency in two weeks how they 265 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,520 Speaker 8: attack it there, if they address it there, if they don't, 266 00:11:11,920 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 8: then all of a sudden, now you look ahead to 267 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 8: that last weekend in April and kind of see how 268 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 8: they do it. It'll also be I think, and this 269 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 8: is just like my two cents, is that when we 270 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:21,360 Speaker 8: get to the start of the off season program we 271 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 8: get to get to training camp. I think there's gonna 272 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 8: be a lot of bodies in that really. I think 273 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 8: there's gonna be a lot of fresh faces. I think 274 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 8: there's gonna be a completely new energy in that quarterback room. 275 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 8: And I think that the term that keeps coming up, 276 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 8: and Pete has been known for it and he says 277 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:34,679 Speaker 8: it every in the best possible way. It feels like 278 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 8: every third word is gonna be competition. And so there's 279 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:38,599 Speaker 8: gonna be a lot of new faces. There's gonna be 280 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 8: a lot of guys that have the opportunity to win 281 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 8: that job. But ultimately that's what's gonna have to happen. 282 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 8: Someone is going to have to go out and win 283 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 8: that job. 284 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 5: I've been telling John for a long time that one 285 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 5: of the options for the Giants should be to move 286 00:11:49,679 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 5: out of three, but not far. And I keep pointing 287 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 5: to the Raiders at six that if one of the 288 00:11:55,120 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 5: two quarterbacks falls, thinking that maybe they might still be 289 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,560 Speaker 5: in the market for one and that might be a 290 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 5: possible move for the Giants. Do you think the Raiders 291 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 5: would be kind of on board with maybe trying to 292 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:07,320 Speaker 5: get up to three. 293 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 8: It feels like at this point nothing is off the table. 294 00:12:10,120 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 8: And we heard from Pete yesterday and he was didn't 295 00:12:12,400 --> 00:12:14,160 Speaker 8: men's words. He's like, we're going for it, right, like 296 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 8: we are going to or not. Didn't proclaim you're going 297 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 8: to win be he said, we're going to try to win. 298 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 8: And this isn't he's not looking at this as like 299 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,200 Speaker 8: a three, four or five year plan. 300 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 1: And I asked him. 301 00:12:22,720 --> 00:12:24,719 Speaker 8: I was like, how do you kind of find that 302 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 8: balance between wanting to win now, to be you know, 303 00:12:28,160 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 8: putting out all your eggs in one basket, so to speak, 304 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 8: but also trying to build something that's sustained, right because 305 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 8: they talk about that too. He's like, we don't want 306 00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:35,839 Speaker 8: to be a flash in the pan. 307 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: We want to be a. 308 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,560 Speaker 8: Team that when you look at the Chiefs and you 309 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 8: look at these teams that every November, December, January they're 310 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 8: playing football. He's like, that's what we want to be. 311 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 8: And I said, how do you kind of strike that balance? 312 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 8: And he goes, you can't, like we're going for like, yes, 313 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,480 Speaker 8: we're looking at the you know, we're looking at what 314 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:50,960 Speaker 8: we want to do down the road. But he goes like, 315 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,720 Speaker 8: you have to to be ready to do what you 316 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,400 Speaker 8: want to do right now. So do I think do 317 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 8: I see a world where they trade up like I 318 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 8: could see that? Yeah, But I also think I think 319 00:12:59,880 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 8: a lot of it's gonna come down to how John 320 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 8: Spytek views a quarterback back position in totality, how he 321 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 8: views these top two guys that I know everyone's so 322 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 8: excited to see later this week, and cam Warden should 323 00:13:08,840 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 8: or Sanders, And ultimately I think that'll probably be one 324 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 8: of the big, you know, determining factors that goes into 325 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,040 Speaker 8: what happened in April. 326 00:13:15,160 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask what the level of patience 327 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,800 Speaker 2: was given Pete Carroll's h and they just want to 328 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:22,720 Speaker 2: turn things around. They won a ton of games, so 329 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 2: it sounds like they're trying to take big swings here. 330 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 2: So whatever is available veterans, because if you want to 331 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,439 Speaker 2: win right away, it's hard to win with the rookie 332 00:13:30,520 --> 00:13:33,600 Speaker 2: right away. Not everyone's you know, Jana Daniels, it doesn't 333 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: work that way. So it sounds like trade for agency. 334 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 2: That's something you should really keep an eye and if 335 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 2: you're trying to track and what the Raiders are gonna do. 336 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 8: Yeah, mean again, I think for us, it was really 337 00:13:41,040 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 8: interesting to hear that kind of candor and be like, yeah, like, 338 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 8: we're here to win football games. And I think for 339 00:13:45,720 --> 00:13:47,959 Speaker 8: a fan base that has just wanted a winner for 340 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 8: so long and for a variety reasons, just hasn't found 341 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:52,960 Speaker 8: that sustained type of success over the past two decades, 342 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 8: I think to hear your head coach and your GMB 343 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,200 Speaker 8: and lockstep that like, we are committed to doing this, 344 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:58,959 Speaker 8: we are committed to doing the right way, and we're 345 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 8: committed to taking those big swings and being aggressive and 346 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 8: understanding the landscape of the NFL in twenty five and 347 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 8: what it tasts to be successful right now. So I 348 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 8: think that again, you talk about the kind of the 349 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 8: big picture takeaways from yesterday with John and Pete, and 350 00:14:11,320 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 8: that was the biggest one, I think. 351 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,679 Speaker 5: And solving the quarterback puzzle. We've had a lot of 352 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 5: people in New York say that, Eli Manning, are you 353 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 5: going to help the Giants solve the quarterback puzzle? Are 354 00:14:19,520 --> 00:14:21,000 Speaker 5: you going to look at some film or you're going to. 355 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 1: Do some research for us? 356 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 5: So he's like, well, I'll do it if they want 357 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 5: me to. 358 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:26,400 Speaker 1: Tom Brady is with the Raiders. 359 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 5: How sticky is his hands or his fingers getting involved 360 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:30,320 Speaker 5: in this thing. 361 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 8: Yeah, and when you're hear from it again from John 362 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 8: and Pete yesterday and they both said he's available, right, 363 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:36,560 Speaker 8: He's an asset, he's a resource, and ultimately, you know, 364 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,160 Speaker 8: you know, Tom has his other other things that he's doing. 365 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 8: Still lives in Florida and has his family down there, 366 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 8: So I don't know if he's going to be in 367 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 8: the building every day per se. But you know, Pete 368 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:46,680 Speaker 8: was very open, he said, yeah, like I would be 369 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 8: kind of foolish not to use him as a resource. 370 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:50,080 Speaker 1: He said, he's the ultimate competitor. 371 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 8: He's a guy that you know, he's like when I 372 00:14:51,800 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 8: talked to me, it becomes so apparent why he was 373 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 8: so good for so long. And so I think, again, 374 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 8: if you're just looking to Repete and John and the 375 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 8: respective stabs are doing and having a guy, Tom Brady's 376 00:15:00,800 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 8: just another asset, just another tool in the toolbox of 377 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,080 Speaker 8: ultimately building this entirety of the team. And yes, so 378 00:15:06,160 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 8: much is gonna be discussed and talked about the quarterback 379 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 8: for obvious reasons. 380 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 3: But you look at the Raiders. 381 00:15:10,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 8: They need to build a team, right, they need to 382 00:15:12,160 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 8: go one from fifty three, And there's yes, you feel 383 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 8: really good about certain pieces, but you need to feel 384 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 8: really good about a lot more pieces going into the 385 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 8: new year. 386 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,320 Speaker 2: Final question for me, what's the Pete Carroll Russell Wilson relationship. 387 00:15:22,400 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 2: Now there was some rumors at the end and not 388 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,840 Speaker 2: so much, but then apparently I reconciled. 389 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: Did he talk at all about that? 390 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 8: Yeah, he didn't bring up us yesterday and we didn't 391 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 8: ask him about Russ. But even during his kind of 392 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 8: general his general media decision, I don't think Russ's name 393 00:15:33,320 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 8: came up. 394 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 1: I'm so sad. 395 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, And so again like it'll it'll be interesting another 396 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 8: you know, Domino to fall and another kind of just 397 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 8: wrinkle in this whole quarterback picture that we're going to 398 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 8: try to draw over the next spash. 399 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: What six eight weeks so yeah, and we're gonna know 400 00:15:46,200 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 2: more in about two to three weeks with for agency comments. 401 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: So there's be a question EDNY good stuff, man, appreciate 402 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: it absolutely anytime those the Giants NFL combine coverage is 403 00:15:53,360 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: presented by the Hospital for Special Surgery, the world's number 404 00:15:57,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: one in orthopedics. 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So what do you think their modus 410 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 2: operande is this offseason in terms of how they're thinking 411 00:16:18,400 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: about the quarterback position for twenty twenty five. 412 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 7: Well, John, you know the three quarterbacks and they're all 413 00:16:23,840 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 7: free agents, and so, yeah, they have none under contract. 414 00:16:26,920 --> 00:16:30,760 Speaker 7: And you know, it's really difficult for me to say 415 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 7: what exactly they're going to do now because I'm aware 416 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 7: of kind of the dynamic in the building of what's 417 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 7: going on. But if I had to guess or predict, 418 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 7: I would say that one of the two from last 419 00:16:41,880 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 7: year will be back. Both will not be back. Art Rooney, 420 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 7: the second, has already said that. You know, they said 421 00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 7: they want to get this. They want to have both 422 00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 7: quarterbacks who play the same style, which obviously they felt 423 00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:57,040 Speaker 7: wasn't the case last year. Although if you look at it, 424 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 7: Russell Wilson that was his ole m O was a 425 00:16:59,520 --> 00:17:02,160 Speaker 7: younger quarter back, a mobile guy who would make plays 426 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 7: on the run. And that's what Justin Fields is so 427 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,199 Speaker 7: I don't know it benefits them to go outside to 428 00:17:10,320 --> 00:17:13,240 Speaker 7: get a free agent, because now you're starting over again, 429 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:15,720 Speaker 7: be the third year in a row with a new quarterback, 430 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 7: and that's that's never been their style either. So if 431 00:17:19,880 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 7: I had to guess, only because of his age and 432 00:17:23,119 --> 00:17:27,360 Speaker 7: because I know Arthur Smith likes Justin Fields, I would say, 433 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 7: not that it's going to be his decision, but I 434 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 7: would guess that Justin Fields will be the quarterback come 435 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 7: opening day. Then again, if you'd have told me this 436 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,640 Speaker 7: time last year that Russell Wilson and Justin Fields would 437 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 7: have been the Steelers quarterbacks, I would have told you 438 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 7: you're crazy. 439 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:43,879 Speaker 5: Well, you see, it's interesting you kind of hinted at 440 00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 5: which way you think it's going to go, because I 441 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 5: wonder how much of a split there may be in 442 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 5: the Steelers organization and maybe even the locker room about 443 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:52,400 Speaker 5: which guy should be the one. 444 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 7: I'm sure there's a split, and that doesn't mean it's 445 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 7: a bad thing, But you know, any time, I'm sure 446 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 7: there are guys who prefer Justin Fields and maybe have 447 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 7: friendships with him, maybe like what he did while he 448 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,880 Speaker 7: was in there, maybe felt that he deserved to remain 449 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:09,719 Speaker 7: in there. The plane along was to bring Russell Wilson 450 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 7: in to be the starter, and that's when he was healthy. 451 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 7: He went back in as the starter. But there is 452 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 7: a division internally. And again it's not like it's headbutting. 453 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 7: But that's why I said, I was aware of the 454 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 7: dynamic of who favors Russell Wilson and who favors justin 455 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 7: Fields And that's why knowing what that dynamic is, but 456 00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 7: not wanting to say that's why I'm not going to 457 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 7: sit here and say, oh, yeah, it's going to be 458 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:38,600 Speaker 7: this or that, because I know how it works. And 459 00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:43,560 Speaker 7: I'll say this. In twenty twenty one, there was a 460 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 7: split between should we bring Ben Roethlisberger back or not? 461 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:51,560 Speaker 7: The GM felt one way, the coach felt another way, 462 00:18:52,119 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 7: and the owner felt one way. And he came back. 463 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,800 Speaker 7: So who won that battle? And that's all all? 464 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,160 Speaker 5: Well? You got to watch Russell Wilson, especially down toward 465 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:05,639 Speaker 5: the end of the season when he got them to 466 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 5: the playoffs and then he faltered. How much does he 467 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 5: have left if he does go out on the free 468 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,320 Speaker 5: agent market to try to find some suitors who will 469 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,680 Speaker 5: probably I'm sure he's gonna want to still start. 470 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:19,960 Speaker 7: You know there aren't There's no question there aren't a 471 00:19:20,040 --> 00:19:23,320 Speaker 7: lot of quarterbacks on that free agent market. You know, 472 00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,520 Speaker 7: when you look at most of the rankings when they 473 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 7: list free agent quarterbacks available, Sam Darnold's won and the 474 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 7: next two are justin fields and Russell Wilson. People wondered 475 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:36,119 Speaker 7: how much Russell Wilson had left in his tank last year. Look, 476 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,159 Speaker 7: he's going to be thirty seven, so he's not Russell 477 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:42,840 Speaker 7: Wilson from twenty seven. But when he played and when 478 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 7: he went back in there, they were seven and one 479 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 7: with him as a starter. Excuse me, six and one, 480 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 7: And in those seven games he averaged twenty nine points 481 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:54,000 Speaker 7: a game. And you know, that offense finally looked like 482 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,199 Speaker 7: an NFL offense. It looked like an offense, and it 483 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,600 Speaker 7: was that was capable of finally being able to bail 484 00:19:59,640 --> 00:20:04,880 Speaker 7: out there defense. Perfect example when in Week thirteen they 485 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 7: went to Cincinnati and they beat the Bengals forty four 486 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 7: to thirty eight. The defense could not stop Joe Burrow 487 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,439 Speaker 7: and the Bengals could not stop Russell Wilson through for 488 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:18,679 Speaker 7: four hundred and fourteen yards three touchdowns. That was the 489 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 7: most points and most yards five hundred and twenty in 490 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 7: six years. And it was after that that it kind 491 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 7: of quote fell apart, because they never won another game 492 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 7: after that, and that's where the conflict arose between the 493 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:38,160 Speaker 7: way Russell Wilson surprisingly, the way Russell Wilson wanted to play, 494 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 7: and the way the offensive coordinator wanted him to play, 495 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 7: and then it became a bit of a philosophical headbutt 496 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 7: to a degree. Now that's not the reason they lost 497 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,879 Speaker 7: five straight games, but some of that disconnect played into that. 498 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,000 Speaker 7: And let's also face the fact that they played three 499 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,959 Speaker 7: of the best teams in football in eleven days, but 500 00:20:57,160 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 7: that's not to excuse losing five straight games. 501 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 2: I know you mentioned it might not make sense to 502 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:03,560 Speaker 2: bring somebody newing from the outside, but I think a 503 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 2: player like Matthew Stafford could be the exceptions to that rule, 504 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 2: given his history of his success. Is that something you 505 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 2: think the Steelers might be interested in pursuing. 506 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:12,920 Speaker 7: I think I don't know. I think it's something that 507 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 7: has and will get draw their attention. I don't know 508 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 7: what that price tag would be. If I had to 509 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,840 Speaker 7: bet on anything, I would bet that he will end 510 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 7: up with the Giants. If I had to bet on anything, 511 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 7: we shall see I could tell you, I can't imagine 512 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 7: the Steelers. Russell Wilson has basically been told that if 513 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 7: he wants thirty to thirty five million, he's not getting 514 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,359 Speaker 7: it in Pittsburgh. So if that's the case, are you 515 00:21:40,480 --> 00:21:43,479 Speaker 7: going to pay Matthew Stafford? What would he want fifty? 516 00:21:44,480 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 7: I don't think if he wanted thirty seven or up 517 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 7: to forty that they would go in. 518 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: Wow. 519 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:54,240 Speaker 7: That I just I don't see that. But again, who 520 00:21:54,280 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 7: knows what I've seen the last couple of years, and 521 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 7: especially last year. Who knows what will happen. But I 522 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,840 Speaker 7: think that would be the one exception that. Again I'm 523 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 7: not gonna say it's gonna happen, but I think Matthew 524 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 7: Stafford might get an opportunity somewhere else on a better deal. 525 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:12,399 Speaker 5: Reportedly, before Russell Wilson went to Pittsburgh, he stopped in 526 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,760 Speaker 5: on the Giants. What do you think his attraction to 527 00:22:15,840 --> 00:22:18,119 Speaker 5: the Giants would be if he was set free? 528 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 3: Yeah? 529 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 2: That I don't know. 530 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:22,119 Speaker 7: That, I don't know, And then the question would be 531 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 7: what would be the Giants attraction to him? I think 532 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,119 Speaker 7: a team that takes Russell Wilson is also going to 533 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 7: be a team that probably drafts a quarterback. That being said, 534 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,280 Speaker 7: if the Steelers brought Russell Wilson back, they're going to 535 00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 7: take a quarterback in the first round. But I think 536 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 7: it'd be possible to see them take one by round 537 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:42,639 Speaker 7: four in the draft, maybe be your third quarterback or 538 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:46,119 Speaker 7: second quarterback. The Steelers have always liked having three quarterbacks, 539 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:49,480 Speaker 7: and they wanted two quarterbacks with NFL experience. So to 540 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 7: sit here and say they're going to bring in maybe 541 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 7: bring in a rookie to be their number two, maybe 542 00:22:52,920 --> 00:22:55,160 Speaker 7: they would. Maybe they would. I mean, it's kind of 543 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 7: what they did when they drafted Kenny Pickett. But Kenny 544 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 7: Pickett was their number one pick, so you knew amount 545 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:03,120 Speaker 7: of time he was going to be your starter. They 546 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 7: brought in Mitch Trubisky as the bridge quarterback. You know, 547 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 7: you can understand that situation. But if Russell Wilson comes back, 548 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 7: I could see them drafting a quarterback, but I don't 549 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,560 Speaker 7: see them taking one of the first rounds. 550 00:23:12,600 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: All right, final question we should ask you about Justin Fields. 551 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: What is Justin Fields? We've seen him in the league, 552 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 1: a lot of talented, great athlete. He can run. The 553 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 1: passing game has not come along. 554 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:24,480 Speaker 2: You made the point Russell Wilson comes in, the Pittsburgh 555 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 2: offense explodes when they had trouble scoring points beforehand. 556 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: So what did you see from Justin Fields talking to 557 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:31,520 Speaker 1: Arthur Smiths who are fans of him? 558 00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 2: What can he still become as a player that still 559 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 2: is pretty young and has a lot. 560 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 7: Of tools twenty six years old. Yeah, and you know, 561 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,120 Speaker 7: won ten games in three years in Chicago. That's hard 562 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 7: to do. He had no marketability last year when the 563 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,520 Speaker 7: Bears were looking to trade him. That's why the Steelers 564 00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:49,280 Speaker 7: got him for a six round pick. But I felt 565 00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 7: as once as a season progressed. I thought with those 566 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 7: first six games, with the way he played four and two, 567 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 7: brought a different element to the defense. You saw some growth, 568 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 7: you saw some development, I think thought. Right then he 569 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 7: played himself into a job with another team, and so 570 00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 7: I think there'll be some marketability for him. You know, 571 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 7: maybe depends how if they won't. I don't think anybody's 572 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,399 Speaker 7: going to bring him in as the starter, but I 573 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,919 Speaker 7: think they might bring him in to be maybe a 574 00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 7: competitor for that starting position. I think if the Steelers 575 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 7: resign him fifteen million a year, if it's Russell Wilson. 576 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 7: I'll say tops twenty five million for the Steelers, but 577 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,440 Speaker 7: I think you know, we'll see. I think teams saw 578 00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 7: enough development for a young guy that maybe it's worth 579 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 7: taking a chance on him, not as your franchise quarterback, 580 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 7: but maybe a guy to come in and help you 581 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 7: take another step forward. I think the Steelers can win 582 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:46,440 Speaker 7: ten games with justin Fields, and you know I don't. 583 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,480 Speaker 7: I'm not going to predict a playoff victory because they 584 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 7: haven't had one of those in eight years, and until 585 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 7: I see one again, I'm going to withhold proclaiming that 586 00:24:53,880 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 7: they're going to bring in a quarterback who would do that. 587 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 7: But I do believe Matthew Stafford could do that for him. 588 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 7: I just don't know that that's going. Now. 589 00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: You're as on a division with Lamar Jackson and Joe Burrow, 590 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 2: which doesn't exactly. 591 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: Make things easy. Jerry, good stuff. Really appreciate the time. Thanks, 592 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,280 Speaker 1: I'm all right, fellas, you got all right. 593 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:11,720 Speaker 2: Now we turn our attention to the Los Angeles Rams. 594 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:13,320 Speaker 2: But they're not picking high in the draft. Why are 595 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: we talking to them about quarterbacks? 596 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: But we're going to find out. 597 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: Jordan rod Reeg, who is with The Athletic the Great 598 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:20,920 Speaker 2: Play Callers podcast as well. I've told you guys about 599 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 2: that before. As you check it out. Jordan is great 600 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 2: to see you. So what's going on in LA right now? 601 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,320 Speaker 3: Oh, nothing much, you know, nice calm sailing over there 602 00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:32,480 Speaker 3: at the moment. Yeah, this has been a really interesting week. 603 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 3: So the Rams, as listeners probably know, do not attend 604 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 3: the combine on an executive or coaching level. They do 605 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,080 Speaker 3: send executives to come discuss certain internal matters, such as 606 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 3: the fact that they're talking to his Jimmy Sexton, Matthew 607 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:50,720 Speaker 3: Stafford's agent. Matthew Stafford's agent is talking with other teams, including, 608 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,840 Speaker 3: as my colleague Dan Duggan reported a few minutes ago, 609 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:58,439 Speaker 3: the New York Giants about his contract. Now, this is 610 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,199 Speaker 3: super interesting because Matthew staff and the Rams have not 611 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 3: yet gotten a deal done and he will not play 612 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 3: on his current contract number only four million in guarantees 613 00:26:07,440 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 3: for this twenty five season and then void framework after that. 614 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: And the Rams are wary about paying even someone of 615 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,879 Speaker 3: his caliber and elite status because they have such a 616 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:19,760 Speaker 3: young roster and they sort of have one foot into 617 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: the future of their team. So like nothing much is 618 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 3: happening in LA, but a lot might soon happen in LA. 619 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 5: From your perspective, who do you think the hottest pursuers 620 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 5: will be? We know that you've mentioned the Giants already. 621 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,200 Speaker 5: Who would be the other teams that you think would 622 00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 5: be the most serious in the mix? 623 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,439 Speaker 3: I think it will be between the Giants and the Raiders. 624 00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: I really do because John Spytech, who I know via 625 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 3: thank you for the plug the play Callers podcast, has 626 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: been very open about how aggressive they want to be. 627 00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,560 Speaker 3: John Spytec and Pee Carroll believe that the Raiders are 628 00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:56,959 Speaker 3: ready to win quickly and want to win quickly, and 629 00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,160 Speaker 3: they are only Pete Carroll's only on a three year deal, 630 00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 3: which is relative short for these head coaching deals that 631 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:04,119 Speaker 3: we see these days, especially for again a person of 632 00:27:04,160 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 3: his status in caliber. Wow? Who does that also describe 633 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 3: an old guy who rules? Wow? What a fit? Anyway, So, 634 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 3: but I really think that the Giants and the Raiders 635 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 3: will be the most aggressive here, in part because I 636 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 3: know Giants fans are frustrated, but I have to say 637 00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,480 Speaker 3: I am one of the few that actually does not 638 00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 3: think they are that far away. And I also think 639 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 3: that Brian Dable would really like a chance to show 640 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,680 Speaker 3: what he can do with a talented quarterback. I think 641 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:34,399 Speaker 3: he's itching to reprove that he's done it once, and 642 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 3: I think it's been some time where people kind of 643 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:38,520 Speaker 3: forget what he's a mad of and what he's about. 644 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 3: And if you're a head coach and you're making sure 645 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 3: that you can keep your resume looking the way that 646 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 3: it should, you want to work with Matthew Stafford, and 647 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 3: you want to work with a quarterback who can elevate 648 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 3: your roster in this similar way that we saw Matthew 649 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:54,280 Speaker 3: Stafford elevate the Rams roster after a huge overhaul in 650 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,359 Speaker 3: twenty twenty three and a completely young team in twenty 651 00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 3: twenty four. That's what he does, and he has a 652 00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 3: proven track record of that, and that's why I think 653 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 3: the Giants will be super interested. His competitiveness now for 654 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 3: any team is also a reason why I think the 655 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 3: Raiders will be interested. 656 00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 5: How much guess do you think Stafford has left in 657 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,159 Speaker 5: his tank? Because anybody who's interested in him, he's going 658 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,320 Speaker 5: to want to know how much mileage is on those DIYers. 659 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 3: I think if someone paid Matthew Stafford what he wants, 660 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 3: he has the juice. This is this is this is 661 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 3: Matthew Stafford. He is He is a stone cold killer, 662 00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,240 Speaker 3: especially for a team that is making a postseason push. 663 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 3: You see what he's capable of. But when the middle 664 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:37,400 Speaker 3: of the season hits post by week, for example, then 665 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 3: you really see him shift into another gear. And those 666 00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,800 Speaker 3: gears keep clicking forward and forward and forward and forward, 667 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 3: especially into the postseason. And if you get into postseason 668 00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:49,720 Speaker 3: with Matthew Stafford, no other team in the NFL wants 669 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 3: to play Matthew Stafford. The Eagles did not want to 670 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 3: face Matthew Stafford again. And he sucked the wind out 671 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,160 Speaker 3: of that building on that final drive. And it's it's 672 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:01,520 Speaker 3: so interesting because I think when they couldn't figure out 673 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 3: his contract last year, a lot of people correctly assumed, 674 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,200 Speaker 3: and this is correct, that they were just gonna they're 675 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,640 Speaker 3: pushing the conversation down the road to revisit the topic. 676 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 3: What I believed, after covering the guy every day for 677 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 3: the last several years and seeing how he operates and 678 00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 3: how his quite frankly frightening mind works, it is it 679 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 3: was a shot a public statement that he wants to 680 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 3: play for a few more years. He wants to go win. 681 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 3: He got a taste of the postseason so late in 682 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 3: his career, and he wants more and I respect it, 683 00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:34,840 Speaker 3: and I think he's going to keep playing for a 684 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:37,120 Speaker 3: few more years. The injuries are always a concern with 685 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: him because he takes a beating, but he wants to 686 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,160 Speaker 3: go until the wheels fall off. I think he wants 687 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:43,680 Speaker 3: to throw the ball until he can't anymore. 688 00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,480 Speaker 2: All right, So to two more parts of this one 689 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: the return, what are the Rams realistically expecting in a return? 690 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:52,760 Speaker 2: I've heard also Cooper cups a player that might be 691 00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:54,680 Speaker 2: on the move. Could that be a package deal? And 692 00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 2: then the second part of the question, how much is 693 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 2: Matthew Stafford controlling this? Because if he is going to 694 00:29:59,880 --> 00:30:02,000 Speaker 2: an other team, that's a team he's going to want 695 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 2: to work out an extension with. 696 00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: So where does he want to end up? Is it location? 697 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 1: Is it the roster? 698 00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 2: What's the important factors for those two parts of this situation. 699 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:14,360 Speaker 3: I do think the roster matters, because again, he's not 700 00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 3: going he doesn't want to go to a rebuild. I 701 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 3: would I would assume, you know. I don't want to 702 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 3: speak for him, and he has not talked about this publicly. 703 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 3: Other than the fact that he gave the most Matthew 704 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 3: Stafford of answers when I talked to him post Philadelphia 705 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:29,840 Speaker 3: Eagles Divisional Round loss, when I asked him, do you 706 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 3: still feel like you have good football left? And he 707 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 3: smirked and he goes, sure, feels like it and that so. 708 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 3: But for me, it's it is a capable roster, I 709 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 3: think is the floor here? A capable roster is the floor. 710 00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 3: Offensive minded head coach. Wow, seems like a fit, right, 711 00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:48,720 Speaker 3: But I think. 712 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: That not a bad young wide receiver to throw the 713 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: ball to either. 714 00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 3: And a one. That's the thing. It's really interesting because 715 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 3: everywhere he's been, he's been at his best when he's 716 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 3: had a true one. Right when Cooper Cup, who the 717 00:30:59,360 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 3: Rams have made basically made it clear that they're ready 718 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 3: to move on from when Cooper Cup was at his best, 719 00:31:05,760 --> 00:31:07,840 Speaker 3: he was a true one, Triple Crown winner in twenty 720 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 3: twenty one. Calvin Johnson, I think we all can remember 721 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 3: highlights that we had to like dig through because they 722 00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 3: never played in prime time. And I think that that's 723 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 3: important right and somewhere. I don't think the market phases him, 724 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 3: whether it's Las Vegas or New York I don't think 725 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 3: that phases him, because, like I mentioned before, he's at 726 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 3: his best when the lights are on, when everybody's watching him. 727 00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 3: That's when he thrives. And so that's why I think 728 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,200 Speaker 3: that New York is actually a sneaky good fit for him. 729 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 3: I don't think his family's averse to travel or moving, 730 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: Kelly Stafford said on her podcast, among many other things, 731 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 3: that you know, they love an adventure, and so I 732 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 3: don't think they are averse to any of those things. 733 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 3: I do know he loves La and we can you know, 734 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 3: I can laugh about it and make light of the 735 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 3: situation and all. But the MS and the Rams, they 736 00:31:51,800 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 3: have been both willing to work this out. They have 737 00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,480 Speaker 3: been trying to get this done. And there's not or 738 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 3: animosity or it's not acrimonious between the two sides. Just 739 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:02,640 Speaker 3: is what it is. The Rams are not going to 740 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 3: move from their number. Stafford wants a certain number and 741 00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,000 Speaker 3: a team will have to pay that number in order 742 00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:07,680 Speaker 3: to make this happen. 743 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 5: Does the Alex van Pelt hiring to the Rams staff 744 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 5: though with his connection to Aaron Rodgers, and we hear 745 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 5: that Aaron Rodgers still wants to play some more. Does 746 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 5: that kind of look in the shadows here somewhere in 747 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 5: this quarterback's carousel. 748 00:32:20,120 --> 00:32:23,240 Speaker 3: I think that's interesting, and it's a it's a good thought, 749 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 3: it's a good like pairing. But I think Sean McVay 750 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 3: just likes bringing in new ideas into his building, so 751 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:30,720 Speaker 3: I don't necessarily see that as a connector less so 752 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 3: it would be an interesting coincidence if they do potentially 753 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 3: need a bridge quarterback if they move on from Matthew Stafford, 754 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 3: that is what they're looking for if a long term 755 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,680 Speaker 3: franchise quarterback is not available, which in this free agency 756 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,320 Speaker 3: market is not, and if one does not become available 757 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 3: via trade, then they are looking for a one year deal. 758 00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 3: Jimmy Garoppolo is an option. Aaron Rodgers would certainly be 759 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:54,440 Speaker 3: an option. They were interested in him prior to getting 760 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 3: Stafford when Rogers was potentially available before the twenty twenty 761 00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,479 Speaker 3: one season, and this it would be an interesting pairing, 762 00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 3: And I think it would be good for Rogers to have, 763 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:09,160 Speaker 3: like some a manager in that building. Probably, but you 764 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 3: can't forget Mike Lafleuer is also in that building, and 765 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 3: they're familiar with each other, you know, Mike, They obviously 766 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 3: didn't fully cross paths, but they are familiar with each other. 767 00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,600 Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is familiar with the Lafleur's in general room. 768 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 3: I know right, I know who's who's sitting in there 769 00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 3: with him. That's what I want to know. How do 770 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 3: we know when he's ready to leave? Does he not 771 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 3: three times? Or what? There's no communication in there? But yes, 772 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,040 Speaker 3: it is. It is a potential that Aaron Rodgers is, 773 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 3: you know, an option should they decide to move on 774 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: for Matthew Stafford. The Alex van Pelt thing though, I 775 00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 3: think every year you see this, Sean will bring in 776 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,080 Speaker 3: lots of people who don't have a contract. Mike Munchak 777 00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:47,640 Speaker 3: is another example. He's consulting to them. He likes, he 778 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: likes new ideas, he likes bringing in people in that 779 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,479 Speaker 3: role because this is how he continues to evolve his offense. 780 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:58,480 Speaker 2: All right, you mentioned Stafford and how they might replace him. 781 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 2: I think Sam Donald will be a good fit, to 782 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 2: be honest with you, He's a buddy. He we was 783 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,600 Speaker 2: succeeded with O'Connell, buddy's with McVeigh. He was in Shanahan's system. 784 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 2: Is that something that you could see as a move 785 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,040 Speaker 2: they make for a quarterback that's probably going to be 786 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 2: between thirty and forty. 787 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: Million, right in that range? Is that more palatable for 788 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:14,520 Speaker 1: what the Rams we'll be looking for. 789 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 3: Well, if we look at some of the contract structures 790 00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,879 Speaker 3: of Stafford in the past, the RAMS have stayed at 791 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,759 Speaker 3: like forty forty five. So if you're not going to 792 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 3: move higher than that for Matthew Stafford, you are certainly 793 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 3: not going to pay Sam Darnold that money, right, And 794 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 3: I think they're in a Sam is in kind of 795 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 3: a nebulous situation too, that I don't know that the 796 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:36,520 Speaker 3: Rams would be willing to commit to because anybody that 797 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:39,920 Speaker 3: they actually financially invest or invest be a capital on 798 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 3: will have to be both their short term and their 799 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 3: long term plan, which is why I keep saying the bridge. 800 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:49,560 Speaker 3: I don't think that they believe for them specifically that 801 00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 3: Sam would be that super long term answer, particularly with 802 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,560 Speaker 3: Sean and how particular he is with his quarterbacks that 803 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:01,640 Speaker 3: he does bring in. Certainly this season that Sam had 804 00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,880 Speaker 3: and I thought it was great, but there are questions about, Okay, 805 00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 3: does he have to be in this specific Kevin O'Connell 806 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 3: variant of this system? Does he have to have a 807 00:35:11,600 --> 00:35:13,960 Speaker 3: few receivers. You know, what is the system and what 808 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:18,600 Speaker 3: is Sam? And I think without proven data past one 809 00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,200 Speaker 3: year in one great season, the Rams are a team 810 00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:24,280 Speaker 3: that are usually risk averse in that way and certainly 811 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:25,880 Speaker 3: would not pay him at the high point of that 812 00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 3: number all. 813 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 2: And then finally, what would they want in terms of 814 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 2: draft compensation and that type of trade we're talking about. 815 00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 3: God, this is a team, say, I don't say this 816 00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 3: as an insult. They're so huboristic. They just ask for 817 00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 3: the moon. They shoot for the moon on so many things. 818 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,680 Speaker 3: I mean, you guys have seen it for years. They 819 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 3: push right, there's no middle for them. It's either go 820 00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:50,160 Speaker 3: all in or completely implode like they did in twenty 821 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:52,239 Speaker 3: twenty two and then take on a record number of 822 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,560 Speaker 3: dead money and then go make the playoffs again the 823 00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 3: next year. They don't. I think it's like Jeff Fisher syndrome. 824 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 3: Like they were scarred from going seven and nine all 825 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 3: those years. So they're like, we we would go anywhere, 826 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 3: we just can't be there. So they push really, really hard, 827 00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,359 Speaker 3: and so this team I think will ask for the moon. 828 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,799 Speaker 3: From these teams, I don't think any team if you're 829 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,399 Speaker 3: looking at this logically and I love Stafford. I don't 830 00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:18,160 Speaker 3: want to stop watching him play in LA. I don't 831 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:21,360 Speaker 3: think any team would or should give up their top 832 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 3: first round pick. There's a nice happy middle there, though, 833 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,239 Speaker 3: somewhere between the twenties and the thirties. The Rams hate 834 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 3: where they're picking now Let's need closet purgatory at twenty six. 835 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:33,959 Speaker 3: Hates being there. Either wants to go up or wants 836 00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:35,880 Speaker 3: to come down. You're going to need more picks. They 837 00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,040 Speaker 3: don't have a second rounder, use it on Brad and Fisk. 838 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,200 Speaker 3: You're gonna need more picks to package to move regardless. 839 00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:42,759 Speaker 3: So I think that's kind of what they're looking for, 840 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,960 Speaker 3: is what ultimately will be packageable into either a high 841 00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:49,480 Speaker 3: pick or a pick for more picks. 842 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,600 Speaker 1: Jordan and Gray stuff. Tell the folks, I think you 843 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: and find all your work well. 844 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,520 Speaker 3: I'm at the Athletic, and I also do NFL Daily 845 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,840 Speaker 3: with Greg Rosenthal and need the Call with Dan Hanss 846 00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:01,839 Speaker 3: and Mark Sessler, and I'm everywhere. I lurk around here 847 00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 3: all week. Please go subscribe to the Athletic. 848 00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me, guys, Jordan's appreciate it, and have 849 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 2: fun the next ten days. 850 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 3: It should be interesting Yeah, nothing's happening in La