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Speaker 4: When's the after all?

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Speaker 1: People getting a lot of BRO shows this week. That's

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Speaker 1: major comments abroad in Ankora, basically saying the Memorandum of

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Speaker 1: understanding is over, as well as this East fire. This

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Speaker 1: follows retaliatory strikes between Iran and the United States. Iran

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Speaker 1: who the date is at this point about yeah, it

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Speaker 1: on Iranian oil, almost certainly to invite a major Iranian

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Speaker 1: response and perhaps a resumption of the war. Oil markets

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Speaker 1: popping a little bit, but still delusional as has been

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Speaker 4: Turkey. We're going to talk about that.

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Speaker 1: Ryan and Emily covered a little bit of this on Monday,

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Speaker 1: but BB Netanya who all over American cable news to

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Speaker 1: tell us why Turkey is actually our greatest enemy and

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Speaker 1: Iran's over now it's all about Turkey. Trump making some

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Speaker 1: this will be a major tussle between the US and Israel.

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Speaker 1: Wonder who I would put my money in terms of

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Speaker 1: winning that fight. We are going to talk about Graham

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Speaker 1: Platner situation in Maine. There is a basically I mean,

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Speaker 1: I would describe it as a full blown coup attempt

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Speaker 4: You can evaluate for yourself.

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Speaker 1: But the executive director of the main Democratic party out

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Speaker 1: this morning, Ryan's saying that Graham Platner should have absolutely

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Speaker 1: no say whatsoever in who replaces him. Full scale civil

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Speaker 1: war between the establishment and Graham Plattner in perhaps who

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Speaker 4: We are going to talk about me too again.

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Speaker 1: I know that this is a bit difficult to bros

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Speaker 1: on The bro Show who are litigating this, but actually

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, is immediate journalism. It is not how

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Speaker 1: All right, let's go ahead and start with Iran. As

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Speaker 1: the ceasefire is over in Ankra. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 7: I think it's over. I don't want to deal with them.

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Speaker 7: There's scum. You know what scum is. There's scum, there's

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Speaker 7: sick people. They're led by sick people, and they're vicious,

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Speaker 7: violent people, and if they had a nuclear weapon, they'd

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Speaker 7: use it. As far as I'm concerned, it's over. I'll

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Speaker 7: speak to our negotiators. They want to negotiate. They're good people,

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Speaker 7: to me. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a

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Speaker 7: waste of time dealing with them. They're liars.

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Speaker 8: We make a deal, and then if I make a

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Speaker 8: He talks, We make a deal. Everyone's agreed. No nuclear weapon,

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Speaker 8: we make a deal, they go outside, talk to the press.

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Speaker 8: They say, we never even talked about it. There's something

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Speaker 8: you'se over.

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Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned, it's over, he says now

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Speaker 1: multiple times. So let's go and put the next one.

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Speaker 1: Take a listen, where he talks specifically about the strikes

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Speaker 7: We have attacked Tuary powerfully last night, the very dangerous

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Speaker 7: We say, go and do your funeral stuff. And instead

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Speaker 7: so we hit him very hard last night, very hard.

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Speaker 7: I would say twenty to one, twenty times tougher, and

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Speaker 7: every time we hit. And of course they're dirty players,

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Speaker 7: so they go after everyone, probably including me. I've been

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Speaker 7: number one on their list for years. And there are

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Speaker 7: and so we don't like them. I don't like them,

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Speaker 7: and we're gonna de nuke it. We're not gonna let

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Speaker 7: and they go around killing people. They've killed thousands and

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Speaker 7: thousands of our soldiers, They've killed hundreds of thousands of

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Speaker 1: Evil people were going to denuke it. This is all

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Speaker 1: I mean. Look, let's put a one up here just

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Speaker 1: United States. The US Central Command Forces have begun launching

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Speaker 1: a series of powerful strikes against Iran. No, this time,

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Speaker 1: So what this basically comes down to is a complete

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Speaker 1: So we're in this very difficult status quo where oil

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Speaker 1: Katar was one of their major much more explosive. Yeah, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 5: And we can look at a bullet five of the

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Speaker 5: MoU reads the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements

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Speaker 4: It to do at all.

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Speaker 5: And to add to your point about Iran's internal calculations,

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Speaker 1: There is that southern Omani route, which is as far

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Speaker 3: Yes, I have actually spoke to him several times about it.

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Speaker 3: pieces of Jordan, included all of present day Israel, included

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Speaker 3: some Gulf countries. So this is this is not a

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Speaker 3: force for peace and stability.

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Speaker 5: And if you give.

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Speaker 3: Uh uh you know, this kind of radical regime that

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Speaker 3: admittedly smiles to America when it is necessary, smiles to

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Speaker 3: the President of the United States when is necessary. When

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Speaker 3: you've give them that power, you're going to see aggression

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Speaker 3: in its way. I wouldn't do that.

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Speaker 1: There's so much going on there, Ryan that you flag

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Speaker 1: number one, he's so concerned about journalists. Wow, Yes, the

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Speaker 1: person who murdered a bunch of journalists, he's very concerned

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Speaker 1: about journalists. Second, Turkey is occupying.

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Speaker 5: Anti occupation, anti in the occupation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you might as well be a Ryan Ryan.

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Speaker 5: Grant journalists, but the occupation A final.

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Speaker 1: Little quiet part out loud is this would threaten is

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Speaker 1: really air superiority in the region. That's what it's all about.

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Speaker 1: That's the whole thing.

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Speaker 5: That's the opposite of a balance.

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Speaker 1: It's the imbalance. The imbalance is balance to the Israelis.

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Speaker 1: The Israeli right to them is the right to not

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Speaker 1: only have their country, to have whatever is you would

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Speaker 1: define as Palestine is. To have half of Lebanon is,

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Speaker 1: to have half of Syria is. To bomb Qatar at

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Speaker 1: will is, to bomb Iran at will is to why

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Speaker 1: would what was nobody.

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Speaker 4: But nobody has it?

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Speaker 1: Why the Israeli demand was Iran cannot have a ballistic

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Speaker 1: missile which is capable of hitting Israel, not anything on

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Speaker 1: nuclear weapons is a ballistic missile cave of Why? Because

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Speaker 1: they need no balance? Whatso the package so they can

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Speaker 1: take over whatever they want. These Iranians are like, look,

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Speaker 1: we'll ship the nuclear weapons or nuclear material out of

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Speaker 1: the country. Nope, not good enough. Why Because they don't

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Speaker 1: have they can't have the ability to threaten Tel Aviv

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Speaker 1: or Jerusalem or any of these Haipha, any of the

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Speaker 1: other cities in Israel. That's what it's actually all about.

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Speaker 1: This entire thing. And so when he says this about Turkey,

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Speaker 1: which we all know they've been saying it out loud,

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Speaker 1: now for what for the entire war? Basically they're like

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Speaker 1: Turkey is next. From Neftally Bennett now to the Prime Minister.

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Speaker 1: This is purely about breaking up the US and NATO.

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Speaker 1: And I'm no defender of NATO, but if we're gonna

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Speaker 1: break up NATO should be on our terms, not on

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Speaker 1: Israeli terms. Okay, it should be a lot more about

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Speaker 1: why should we defend North Macedonia or whatever, you know

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Speaker 1: montanegro as opposed to Well, Israel wants to bomb.

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Speaker 4: Turkey and that's a huge problem.

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Speaker 1: And the irony, of course, is that by launching this war,

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Speaker 1: Trump has made himself much more reliant on Turkey and

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Speaker 1: much more reliant on the Gulf countries because he needs

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Speaker 1: them because we no longer have any weapons to actually

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Speaker 1: restore some sort of regional balance. But he's still the

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Speaker 1: superpower person on top of that, so he both has

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Speaker 1: to curt court Airdowan and court Babe. He has this

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Speaker 1: rogue actor over here and then this NATO ally over

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Speaker 1: here with a population which hates Israel with a fiery

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Speaker 1: passion and really hate them, you know, right back. And

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Speaker 1: I just think it demonstrates exactly the sheer instability of

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Speaker 1: our alliance here with Israel. And also, I mean, are

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Speaker 1: we going what can we even say about CNN just

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Speaker 1: in inviting this propaganda commercial on for why he shouldn't

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Speaker 1: be able to buy F thirty five. She didn't even

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Speaker 1: she didn't even challenge. But why do you deserve Israeli

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Speaker 1: air superiority in the region? Did you even think Taska? Nothing,

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Speaker 1: It's it's crazy.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, nothing, And so then watching and last point, so

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Speaker 5: we'll get to put up b six Nenya, who said

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Speaker 5: he jails his political opponents. Indeed, the mayor of Istanbul

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Speaker 5: is the largest opposition figure, is in jail with like

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Speaker 5: Trump trumped up charges. But meanwhile, of course Netnya, who

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Speaker 5: has thousands of his political opponents in administrative detention uh

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Speaker 5: in in torture chambers in Israel. But so it'll be

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Speaker 5: it's interesting to see how Trump navigated this. Well. Listen

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Speaker 5: closely to how Trump talks about the F thirty five's

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Speaker 5: and his relationship with Turkey versus a certain other ally

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Speaker 5: that he doesn't name, but it is quite clear who

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Speaker 5: he's referring to it be four.

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Speaker 7: Well, it's a decision we're going to make. We have

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Speaker 7: a very good relationship. I would think that many people,

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Speaker 7: I can tell you many people, including the people sitting

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Speaker 7: right here, thinks, you know, why wouldn't we do that.

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Speaker 7: We have a better relationship with Turkey, and Turkey has

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Speaker 7: been in many ways much more loyal than other countries

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Speaker 7: that we think would be loyal. So well, something certainly

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Speaker 7: we would consider. It's a great plane, it's the best

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Speaker 7: currently the best plane by far, and it's certainly something

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Speaker 7: we will consider.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, now, that's probably a double swipe at Europe, in

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Speaker 5: European countries who he's always dogging for not being loyal

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Speaker 5: enough and not defending him when he went to war

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Speaker 5: with Iran. But given the context of net Yahoo's twenty

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Speaker 5: four to seven in a public cable campaign against Trump

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Speaker 5: doling out the f thirty five to Turkey to have

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Speaker 5: him say no, these guys are loyal unlike some other

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Speaker 5: people who not gonna mention, it's pretty difficult not to

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Speaker 5: believe that he's also including nn Yahoo in that who

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Speaker 5: he feels, or he at least has been saying publicly

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Speaker 5: he feels like has been an obstacle to his agenda

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Speaker 5: in the Middle East, right.

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, like, how can we see

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Speaker 1: the collapse of the seasfire and not bet on net

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Speaker 1: on Yaho exactly way, you know, we didn't even this,

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Speaker 1: We didn't even put this in a show.

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Speaker 4: Shame on.

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Speaker 1: Guess what Israel also did today bomb Lebanon, Bomb Lebanon, right,

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Speaker 1: which the Iranians are like, hello, hello, well paragraph one

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Speaker 1: seaspire on all fronts. Yeah, it's totally nuts. And so

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Speaker 1: you look at this, you see these Raelis who.

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Speaker 4: Are bombing Lebanon.

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Speaker 1: You have this attack basically on the Trump administration, full

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Speaker 1: blown from bb net Yahoo on American cable news. And

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Speaker 1: what does the President say. Nothing. I mean, every once

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Speaker 1: in a while he'll give an interview and he's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: bb I'm the boss, and that's great, Okay, it's nice

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Speaker 1: to say. But Bbe's not stupid. He knows exactly how

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Speaker 1: to reach Trump through US cable news. He's fully activated

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Speaker 1: all of his allies. And the other thing is now

555
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Speaker 1: that Trump says that the ceasefire is over, the Neo

556
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Speaker 1: Khon tunguebath is about to come back full in force.

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Speaker 1: Oh mister President, the greatest and the strongest president. You

558
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Speaker 1: didn't make any mistake here with the ceasefire. Don't worry

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Speaker 1: about it. And at this, you know you basically have

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Speaker 1: like fifth columnists here in the United States who are

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Speaker 1: agents of the Israeli government. Like let's put B ten

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Speaker 1: up here, Mark Levin, look at this, I mean, this

563
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Speaker 1: is basically propaganda on behalf of the Israeli government's position.

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Speaker 4: Breaking news.

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Speaker 1: Airediwan was prepared to join forces with Iran against Israel.

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Speaker 1: The President has mentioned several times he talked Airedwan on

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Speaker 1: entering the war on the side of the Iranian regime,

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Speaker 1: meaning he talked Airdron out of going to war with

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Speaker 1: the US and Israel. I really think this needs to

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Speaker 1: be explained in detail and fully pursued. If a NATO

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Speaker 1: country was going to join the enemy in our war

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Speaker 1: against Iran, we need to know all about it. The

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Speaker 1: President is rightfully condemning the support of NATO countries, But

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Speaker 1: in the case of Turkey, it was prepared to fight us. Question, Mark,

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Speaker 1: can you imagine air Dowan using our military equipment against US? Now,

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Speaker 1: this thug will have our F thirty fives. By the way,

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Speaker 1: Israel as F thirty fives and we're praising the hell

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Speaker 1: out of this guy, like as our best friend. We

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Speaker 1: need to know a lot more about this.

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Speaker 4: I mean what they do is, you know, Bbie puts.

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Speaker 1: Out the talking point, then the entire neo con industrial

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Speaker 1: complex comes up behind him.

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Speaker 4: It's a pressure campaign.

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Speaker 1: And as you know, Bruno Massias, he's a commentator. I

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Speaker 1: deeply respect he called this years ago. I remember him

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Speaker 1: saying it. He said, the death of NATO will have

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with Ukraine, it will have nothing to

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Speaker 1: do with Russia. It will be an Israeli war of

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Speaker 1: aggression on you. And I mean he could not have

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Speaker 1: been more right. I really the most prescient predictions I

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Speaker 1: have ever seen.

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Speaker 5: And on the Lebanon strikes, people know there was a

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Speaker 5: drone strike on a vehicle down in telling Lebanon. It

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Speaker 5: hit a school principal, her mother, a foreign domestic worker,

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Speaker 5: you know, like an O pair or something, and then

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Speaker 5: a Syrian citizen. And that we're all driving this car

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Speaker 5: which had been trying to return to its check check

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Speaker 5: on their home down and down the southern Lebanon where

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Speaker 5: Israel has destroyed most most of the homes.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So, and then finally do you want to talk about

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Speaker 1: this Egypt thing. I wanted to give you that opportunity here.

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Speaker 1: Oh that was something that was so horrible. Yes, we

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Speaker 1: can put this next element up. Just benigh, guys.

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Speaker 5: One of the most sadistic and insane things I feel

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Speaker 5: like I've ever seen. So this So the Egyptian Relief

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Speaker 5: Committee was organizing. They put out a bunch of TVs

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Speaker 5: so that people could watch in Gaza the Egypt Argentina game,

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Speaker 5: which trying to give peace a little bit of life,

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Speaker 5: a little bit of joy. In as bleak a scenario

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Speaker 5: as you could possibly imagine. An hour before the match,

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Speaker 5: Israel kills the committee's PR guy. Yeah, like, just let

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Speaker 5: them watch the game. Also, Israel would have been happy

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Speaker 5: because Egypt was completely robbed in that game. I mean,

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Speaker 5: credit to Argentina an incredible, incredible comeback, but Egypt had

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Speaker 5: this and one of the greatest goals in World Cup

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Speaker 5: history called off by some stupid VAAR call, and then

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Speaker 5: Argentina does the exact same thing, goes coast to coast.

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Speaker 5: It's also trips an Egyptian player in the box, and

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Speaker 5: they don't get a call for that. So Israel could

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Speaker 5: have just been satisfied with the Palestinians who were rooting

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Speaker 5: for Egypt being disappointed in how that unfolded. Instead, they

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Speaker 5: have to kill the pr guy who's setting up the

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Speaker 5: big screen TVs.

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Speaker 1: So just.

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Speaker 5: Depraved, like there's no there's no word for it. I agree.

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Speaker 1: And that's why they deserve regional air superiority, right, that's.

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Speaker 5: The balance of power they're talking about. That's what they're

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Speaker 5: doing with.

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Speaker 1: Their America deserves and should backstop in the region. Smart smart, Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get to Platner.

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Speaker 5: Maine Senate candidate Graham Platner has still not resigned the nomination,

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Speaker 5: but Maine Democratic Party Executive director Devin Murphy Anderson last

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Speaker 5: night posted a video urging that he do so and

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Speaker 5: telling him in his campaign that he will have no

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Speaker 5: say in who is chosen to replace him or how

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Speaker 5: that candidate will be picked. Let's roll a little bit

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Speaker 5: of Murphy Anderson here.

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Speaker 10: Hi, everyone, I wanted to provide you all an update

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Speaker 10: on the US Senate race here in Maine. As you know,

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Speaker 10: the main Democratic Party has been working around the clock

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Speaker 10: to develop a process to replace our US Senate nominee

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Speaker 10: that is open, inclusive, transparent, and fair. The integrity of

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Speaker 10: this process is just as important as the outcome, and

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Speaker 10: we are committed to ensuring that Democrats across our state

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Speaker 10: can have confidence in both. Unfortunately, Graham Platner's team has

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Speaker 10: repeatedly reached out to us in an attempt to put

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Speaker 10: their thumb on the scale of what this process looks like.

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Speaker 10: We have repeatedly reiterated too Grand Platner's team that they

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Speaker 10: have no role in determining our next Democratic nominee for

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Speaker 10: the US Senate, nor in determining what this process looks like.

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Speaker 10: We have also reiterated that grand Platner must drop out

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Speaker 10: of this race so that Democrats in Maine can focus

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Speaker 10: ondefeating Susan Collins this November. We look forward to making

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Speaker 10: this process public as soon as grand Platner formally withdraws

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Speaker 10: from this race.

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Speaker 5: And so the Platinner campaign responded to this, and we

658
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Speaker 5: can add this in post. Campaign official told sahoukpor quote,

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Speaker 5: the platter campaign has reached out to the party to

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Speaker 5: try and understand what this process would look like. At

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Speaker 5: no point as the campaign, trying to quote put its

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Speaker 5: finger on the scale. Over one hundred and fifty thousand

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Speaker 5: Maners voted for this movement, and over fifteen thousand manors

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Speaker 5: volunteered their time and energy to it. While Graham wouldn't

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Speaker 5: want to be a part of the process, he would

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Speaker 5: want to make sure the voters and volunteers make this decision,

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Speaker 5: not the political establishment. Unquote.

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Speaker 4: Can I say what it is?

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Speaker 1: This is a coup?

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Speaker 5: Well that from the executive director to say, we're not

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Speaker 5: even going to answer their phone calls. They did win

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Speaker 5: the nomination.

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Speaker 1: He won, he won more votes. Look, can we just

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Speaker 1: say I'm not some Platiner fan.

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Speaker 4: I literally second vouch.

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Speaker 5: God's not like It's.

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Speaker 4: Not that I hate Platner.

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Speaker 1: I've always thought he's like a Brooklyn cosplaying leftist as

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Speaker 1: some sort of working clat I think his background bears

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Speaker 1: all of that out. Okay, and so I'll save that

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Speaker 1: I telligce so for later. But to me, this is

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Speaker 1: a principle matter, like this man won more votes in

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Speaker 1: the Democratic primary than anyone in Maine history, and the

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Speaker 1: main Democratic who is that lady? By the way, I

685
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:04,399
Speaker 1: don't remember anybody voting for her across the state.

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Speaker 4: Does she run for anything? Maybe?

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Speaker 1: Look, maybe I'm wrong, maybe she got voted it Like

688
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Speaker 1: I'm not familiar with exactly with the by laws of

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Speaker 1: the main Democratic Party. I know that one person got

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00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: more votes than anyone in the history of a main

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Speaker 1: Democratic party. And to say that he should have no

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Speaker 1: say whatsoever in how the next person if he were

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Speaker 1: to replace, to step down to replace him is totally insane.

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Speaker 1: Insane because his volunteers, his people, his campaign are ultimately

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Speaker 1: the ones who beat a sitting governor for the you know,

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Speaker 1: in the democratic nomination.

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Speaker 4: You don't forced her out of the race, they beat

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Speaker 4: the DSCC.

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Speaker 1: And then to say that he's going to step down,

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Speaker 1: which he doesn't have to do, that he should have

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Speaker 1: no say in the process is I mean, it is

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Speaker 1: as anti democratic as it possibly could be, because Ryan,

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00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: you and I both know they're going to try various

704
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 1: different ways to make this seam open super delegates or

705
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:02,880
Speaker 1: televised debates like no, nothing beats voting and they can't

706
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: vote again, So it is by definition going to be

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Speaker 1: an anti democratic process.

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Speaker 5: They could do at least a caucus level situation. And

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00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 5: what Platter seems to be saying here is I'm not

710
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Speaker 5: trying to force you to take who I want you

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00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 5: to take. Now, if an establishment candidate was getting pushed

712
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Speaker 5: out of the race. By the way, they would appoint

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Speaker 5: an establishment replacement. There would be no controversy about it,

714
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Speaker 5: no question about it. It would be done in twelve hours.

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Speaker 5: But an establishment candidate is not getting pushed out of

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Speaker 5: the race Platner is. Platter is not even saying he

717
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 5: is insisting on Troy Jackson or Senna Bellows. What he

718
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Speaker 5: is saying is that he wants to make sure that

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Speaker 5: there is an inclusive process that as many Democrats who

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Speaker 5: participated in the primary process are able to participate in,

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Speaker 5: and that could be a convention in Portland that has

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Speaker 5: many conventions in every county where there's a Democratic like

723
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Speaker 5: this is this is easily something that can that can

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Speaker 5: be put together. Yeah, And so he's just asking, and

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Speaker 5: this is within the power of the main Democratic Party

726
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Speaker 5: to put together. It would be a kind of a

727
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 5: shotgun thing. Probably be hard to pull off an entire primary,

728
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Speaker 5: whether you count every single vote, but you could do

729
00:37:17,320 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 5: a caucus type situation. They could figure something out in

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Speaker 5: Platter's campaign and saying, what are you thinking because to

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Speaker 5: your point, they don't want this to go into Janet

732
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Speaker 5: Mills office, yeah, or or her or her office because

733
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Speaker 5: it's they just come out voter smoke signal the vote.

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Speaker 1: Jeck did her right. They explicitly did not vote for her,

735
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,319
Speaker 1: like you cannot do this. In my opinion, this is

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Speaker 1: why I mean, look, I think so much of Plattner

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Speaker 1: and a lot of the Democratic Left. I don't know

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Speaker 1: what is going on, but like you know, their whole

739
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,320
Speaker 1: brand is fighting. This is the time to fight, guys.

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Speaker 1: This is how you got steamrolled under Biden, and this

741
00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: is basically why you have no power. This is why

742
00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,759
Speaker 1: Bernie dropped out of the race after Super Tuesday, never

743
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Speaker 1: fought and did anything allegedly, this is the time to

744
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 1: stand up. Everybody just immediately was like, oh yeah, Platner's

745
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: got to go, but nobody demanded any sort of conditions,

746
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Speaker 1: and the main Democratic Party said he's in no position

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Speaker 1: to demand anything.

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Speaker 4: I'm he literally is in a position to demand anything.

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Speaker 1: It's like, I really feel like I'm taking crazy pills, Ryan,

750
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Speaker 1: because a lot of it, like from Mamdani to Bernie,

751
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Speaker 1: to any of the Rocannas, all the movement leaders, everyone

752
00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,799
Speaker 1: started with he's got to go without the next part.

753
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: The next part should be and the person who who

754
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Speaker 1: succeeds him should be as similar to him as possible,

755
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Speaker 1: and they've given up all their leverage, and now these

756
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: people are right back in charge.

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Speaker 4: I really think if your anti establishment Democrat.

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Speaker 1: And Maine, you should be outraged by the way this

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Speaker 1: is playing out right.

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Speaker 5: There are three kind of ways you can handle serious,

761
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,760
Speaker 5: huge allegations like that in the moment. One is to say,

762
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Speaker 5: we need to wait for a couple of days here

763
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Speaker 5: to get more information about this I want to hear

764
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Speaker 5: from all sides. Two is to say, Okay, you know

765
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Speaker 5: what our guys done. We're going to negotiate a surrender here.

766
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Speaker 5: Let's work on the terms of what this surrender look like.

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Speaker 5: Looks like three is just complete in total surrender, and

768
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Speaker 5: they went with basically number three. So let's put up

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Speaker 5: C two. So this is Bernie Sanders, he says. He tweeted,

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Speaker 5: I have spoken with Graham Plattner about the best path

771
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Speaker 5: forward for Maine in light of these very serious allegations.

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Speaker 5: I have recommended that he step aside. Mayor Zoron Mdani

773
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Speaker 5: in New York was asked as well about whether or

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Speaker 5: not Platner should stay in the race. He has a

775
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,240
Speaker 5: lot of the same kind of consultants on his team

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Speaker 5: as are with Platner and staffers. Let's roll C one here.

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Speaker 11: Given that you have a sort of a sendent role

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Speaker 11: in the Democratic Party, could you talk about the main

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Speaker 11: Senate race. Do you think that Graham Plattner should drop

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Speaker 11: out of the race and do you have any intention

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Speaker 11: of endorsing any candidates in competitive races outside of New York,

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Speaker 11: LSIED or anyone else.

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Speaker 6: I believe that it's time for him to drop out

784
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Speaker 6: of the race. And when it comes to my own endorsements,

785
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Speaker 6: I've made eight endorsements at the state and federal level.

786
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Speaker 6: They've all been right here in New York City. I'm

787
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Speaker 6: incredibly excited at the fact that they won their races,

788
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Speaker 6: and that's where my focus is for now. I think

789
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Speaker 6: the focus of today should be to respond to the

790
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Speaker 6: gravity of what so many of us have read. And

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Speaker 6: I think that the only appropriate response is for the

792
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Speaker 6: campaign to come to an end.

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Speaker 5: And we can put up C five here. This is

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Speaker 5: from drops I knew is Nathan Bernard. He interviewed a

795
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Speaker 5: ton of volunteers for Grand Platner, and the overwhelming, almost

796
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Speaker 5: universal consensus from them was that Platiner either no longer

797
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:56,640
Speaker 5: should have a shot at staying in the race or

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Speaker 5: no longer does have a shot in the race, and

799
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Speaker 5: that either way the upshot is the same. But they

800
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Speaker 5: want Troy Jackson, who are we were, who we were

801
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 5: talking about earlier and talked about yesterday on the program.

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00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,960
Speaker 5: He's a logger who was the former state Senate president

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Speaker 5: who ran for governor. Finished a very close There was

804
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Speaker 5: a very close third with it was Hannah Pingree, Shennon

805
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 5: Bellows and UH and him and him as well in

806
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 5: the rough shot had ran coming competitively as well. UH. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 5: Jared Golden put up six year uh Platner ran as

808
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:38,520
Speaker 5: an anti war candidate. Jared Golden cast a deciding vote

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Speaker 5: to kill a war Powers resolution in the US House.

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Speaker 5: As his thing was, he's a maverick in the conservative

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00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 5: district to to his credit, continued to get elected as

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00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:54,920
Speaker 5: a as a Democrat in a Trump leaning district. To

813
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 5: his discredit, one of the ways he did it was

814
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Speaker 5: by constantly voting for war. So if to try to

815
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Speaker 5: replace a guy whose energy clearly came from his passionate

816
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 5: opposition two forever wars and two the genocide and Gaza

817
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Speaker 5: with somebody who's passionately on the other side of that

818
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 5: would be apparently maybe that's something that's okay with the

819
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Speaker 5: main Democratic Party, but it's hard to believe that that's well,

820
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Speaker 5: that not just guaranteeing defeat in November.

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Speaker 1: That's what I want to ask you, Am I overreacting?

822
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: Like does the current process point in the Troy Jackson

823
00:42:31,160 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: you know path, because could one? But see, this is

824
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: where this is kind of why I think that the

825
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 1: left is not you know, far be it from me

826
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Speaker 1: to like give advice or whatever. You don't have to listen,

827
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Speaker 1: but you know, the whole point was supposed to be

828
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Speaker 1: we fight.

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Speaker 4: That's why we go with Platiner.

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Speaker 1: That's why we're going to abandon our woke shibblitz after

831
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,879
Speaker 1: the New York Times store story and be like, no,

832
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,080
Speaker 1: we're sticking with our man. This is it right, We're

833
00:42:55,080 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: going We're all in because this is about fight. And

834
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 1: then you not only do you immediately give up, you

835
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 1: ask for nothing, and you basically give the establishment the

836
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Speaker 1: bat which which to bash your head in, which if

837
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: you're spending any time on Twitter right now, and you

838
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,920
Speaker 1: really should go monitor the accounts of all of the

839
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Speaker 1: pro establishment people near a Tandent and mat Iglesias and

840
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Speaker 1: Josh Barrow. And I'm not saying this in a disparaging way.

841
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:20,400
Speaker 1: They have a you know, they have a more of

842
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: an adversarial, more like centrist view of how the Democratic

843
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: Party should be. They are using this moment to not

844
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: only go after Platner, but everybody who backed so Morris

845
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Speaker 1: Katz and the And I'm sorry if this is too

846
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: inside baseball, but this stuff matters. They're currently using it

847
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,360
Speaker 1: to try and blacklist that what is it fight agency

848
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: which found Platner. So they're like, see, these people have

849
00:43:41,239 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: horrible judgment, right, See, these people cannot be trusted. That's

850
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Speaker 1: why I said, not only is it a coup, it's

851
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: a purge, it's a simultaneous effort by a lot of

852
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: the establishment Democrats. And so when you immediately give up

853
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 1: all your leverage, now you have nothing because Graham has

854
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: both not fought back even though I mean again, the

855
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Speaker 1: biggest indication to me that he's guilty is or at

856
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: least guilty in something, right is he's like, Okay, I

857
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:06,359
Speaker 1: haven't heard from him.

858
00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:08,240
Speaker 4: Hands up, Yeah, you haven't heard from anything.

859
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Speaker 1: He's canceled his events, he stopped all of his spending.

860
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: He basically, you know, conceded from day one that he

861
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 1: was like, we're gonna assess the future of our campaign.

862
00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: He's hanging out at his home, you know, doing nothing

863
00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: from what we can see right now. And then it's

864
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 1: not just him, it's all the movement leaders that I listed,

865
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Speaker 1: and you're basically allowing the establishment to burn you, which

866
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Speaker 1: you know, if it's twenty twenty after BLM, that's one thing,

867
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Speaker 1: but it's today where you guys are actually winning primaries,

868
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 1: you do have some leverage, and I see nothing. I

869
00:44:42,520 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 1: think this is a shameful incident, honestly.

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Speaker 5: And they're even I've noticed trying to use it against

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00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 5: Abdul L's side in Michigan.

872
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 1: Wife noticed that too.

873
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,279
Speaker 5: It's like, wait, hold on a second, what on earth? Yeah,

874
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,240
Speaker 5: he has not well side and also good luck Choynnie,

875
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 5: like a Platner's name idea in Michigan is probably not

876
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 5: very high. Like this is inside stuff that like freaks

877
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 5: like us or following pretty closely. But Abdula sayat like,

878
00:45:06,120 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 5: what are you doing? You're going after him just because

879
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 5: he shares some politics with Platiner. No, it's it's completely I.

880
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,200
Speaker 1: Got my own beef with Obdul who by the way

881
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 1: is hopefully coming on the show next week. We're talking

882
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: a lot about property taxes.

883
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean I'm I'm beefing with him over us too,

884
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 5: oh God like public Like I haven't argued with him.

885
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: But I would. Yeah, but we'll get into it. We'll

886
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: we'll save all that later spoilers. Soo's been married for

887
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: twenty years. It looks like he's two children, so, you know,

888
00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:33,279
Speaker 1: good for him. I don't think that has anything to

889
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: do with his behavior. Also, you know, plug for you know,

890
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 1: non traditional Sharia. If you don't drink, none of this

891
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: will happen to you. That's just my my personal plug.

892
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 5: But you gotta look totally. But it reduces the like

893
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 5: soft sharia.

894
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,040
Speaker 1: If you if you live a soft Sharia lifestyle and

895
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 1: you don't drink, you don't gamble, and you don't run

896
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: around and chase promiscuous lifestyle, you will not have people

897
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,759
Speaker 1: who have accusations against you. Who who would have thought so?

898
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:00,960
Speaker 1: So Ron, Mom, Donnie and I'll Dulcie. You know, you

899
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,400
Speaker 1: got two Muslim guys and they live clean. This is

900
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,360
Speaker 1: what clean living can get you. But my general point

901
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,560
Speaker 1: here about the way that this is all playing out

902
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 1: is it seems abundantly clear that the Democratic establishment is

903
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: on a high.

904
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 4: I have not seen them on in quite some time.

905
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: Like they really, like the left was having an ascendant moment.

906
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 4: They had Zoron.

907
00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 1: Between Zoron and then those three New York City primaries

908
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: and Colorado.

909
00:46:27,239 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 4: This was a big deal.

910
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,360
Speaker 1: This was a big big I would say, two months

911
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 1: and now this was actually, in my opinion, the real

912
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,319
Speaker 1: testing ground because when in a blue seat in a

913
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Speaker 1: blue state, Okay, congratulations, knocking off a Republican swing senator

914
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: in a swing ish state like Maine, which has consistently

915
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: voted for Susan Collins, to have a full blown, like

916
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: non compromising in terms of the DSA ideology to be

917
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,480
Speaker 1: able to win that state would have been a absolute

918
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,759
Speaker 1: earthquake in politics. Again, it's one thing to beat a Democrat.

919
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 1: It's a whole other thing to actually beat a Republican

920
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:07,640
Speaker 1: whenever you're running on that strategy. And that's why to

921
00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,120
Speaker 1: give up all of that leverage and to basically hand

922
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: it all back in the silver platter to the main

923
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. Who is setting these standards, I mean, you

924
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,760
Speaker 1: tell me, Ryan, I don't see a single prominent movement

925
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: leader going after this main democratic woman, right, I haven't

926
00:47:23,040 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 1: seen one be like, actually no, he's going to have

927
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 1: a say because he seems so toxic.

928
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 4: So I do think it.

929
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:30,760
Speaker 1: I think it's a very dangerous moment, like for democracy

930
00:47:30,800 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: and especially if you how could you how could the

931
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:37,040
Speaker 1: number one lesson from Biden not be democracy is good?

932
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:37,319
Speaker 5: Now?

933
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: Actually democracy is good. It is because that the failure

934
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: of that is what led to your devastating loss in

935
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 1: November of twenty twenty four.

936
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:46,759
Speaker 5: You know, let's talk a little bit about the way

937
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 5: the press handled this. Yeah, Politico and CNN omitted a

938
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 5: key detail from its reporting around the gram Platner sexual

939
00:47:57,960 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 5: assault allegations. We have learned. Let's take a listen to

940
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 5: how Jenny Rascott, the accuser of Graham Plattner, described how

941
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:10,880
Speaker 5: the evening began in her interview with Jake Tapper on CNN.

942
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,760
Speaker 12: It was a nay where him and I were texting

943
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 12: back and forth and he had taken something that I

944
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 12: said as an invitation and that's not how he meant it.

945
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,160
Speaker 12: And I quickly clarified, and he sent a message back

946
00:48:24,200 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 12: indicating that he would come over, and I said, no,

947
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:30,680
Speaker 12: don't come over like I'm not in the mood, don't

948
00:48:30,680 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 12: come over. And I was more sterned with that message.

949
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 12: And then I didn't hear back from him, So I

950
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 12: thought that that meant he got the message or gave

951
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,280
Speaker 12: up on it or whatnot.

952
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 5: Okay, Sager, So there was no follow up from Jake

953
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:48,359
Speaker 5: Tapper if you listened closely there that she said we

954
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 5: were texting back and forth and he took something that

955
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 5: I said as an invitation to come over. This is

956
00:48:55,960 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 5: they'd been dating off and on for about two years

957
00:48:58,840 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 5: at this point. The follow up from a normal person

958
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 5: at that point.

959
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 4: Is what did you say?

960
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 5: What would you say? Right like? What was the thing

961
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:13,600
Speaker 5: that you said to him that he misunderstood? Now, let's

962
00:49:13,600 --> 00:49:18,440
Speaker 5: take a look at how Politico reported this is This

963
00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 5: is D eight. This is how Politico first reported so.

964
00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:25,080
Speaker 5: Rasakot told Politico she connected with Platner on the dating

965
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,920
Speaker 5: at Bumble in twenty nineteen and consentual relations with him

966
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 5: prior to the night he allegedly assaulted her that night.

967
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 5: In late twenty twenty one, she said she had exchanged

968
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 5: text messages with him and told him not to come over,

969
00:49:37,000 --> 00:49:40,480
Speaker 5: saying she wasn't in the mood for company. Later that evening,

970
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,920
Speaker 5: She said she realized when she heard a sound on

971
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 5: the stairs that he had let himself into her house,

972
00:49:45,800 --> 00:49:49,640
Speaker 5: which was unlocked. Platner came up the stairs, Rascott said,

973
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 5: to where she was on a couch. He got on

974
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 5: top of her and kept grabbing her, she said, while

975
00:49:55,840 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 5: she repeatedly told him to stop and that she wasn't interested. So, Sagar,

976
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 5: you read that, and most people in Washington who read that,

977
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 5: they're like that sounds like he broke in to the

978
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,680
Speaker 5: house uninvited and then began a violent assault of her.

979
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:18,919
Speaker 5: Nowhere does Politico mention what she mentioned to CNN there

980
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 5: that she had said something in the text message exchanges

981
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 5: that he mistook as an invitation. They just say, and

982
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 5: elsewhere in the article they say he was quote uninvited.

983
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:36,400
Speaker 5: It turns out, and we have learned that Politico definitively

984
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 5: at the time of publication, knew precisely what Jenny had

985
00:50:42,520 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 5: texted to Graham that he, according to her, mistook as

986
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 5: an invitation to come over. And we know this because

987
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 5: the Washington Post also interviewed Jenny Rassakot, and Jenny told

988
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 5: the Washington Post, because she's being honest, laying out all

989
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,920
Speaker 5: of the details, which is how it should be. You

990
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,920
Speaker 5: lay out all the details and then you let the readers,

991
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 5: the public, the voters say, Okay, we have all the

992
00:51:10,040 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 5: different facts. Here's how we interpret this scenario. So good

993
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,560
Speaker 5: for her for being trans I.

994
00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:16,960
Speaker 1: Totally agree with you, and I want to say that

995
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:18,839
Speaker 1: up at the top. This is in no way an

996
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 1: attack on her. This is about how I believe that

997
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:22,440
Speaker 1: the media's handless.

998
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:23,080
Speaker 9: She was.

999
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 4: From the beginning about this.

1000
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 5: She doesn't she doesn't have the text messages anymore. Platner

1001
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,839
Speaker 5: apparently doesn't have the text messages anymore. So we're going

1002
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:35,240
Speaker 5: by her memory of what they are. And to her credit,

1003
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:40,279
Speaker 5: she divulged the details of the text messages from that

1004
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:43,960
Speaker 5: evening and to the so she divulged it to the

1005
00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 5: Washington Post. The Washington Post reaches out to the Platiner

1006
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 5: campaign for comment. Good for the Washington Post, and in

1007
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 5: their their requests for comment, they mentioned that Jenny had

1008
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 5: been texting him talking about a massage earlier. And so

1009
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 5: the Planner campaign sees this and they go back to

1010
00:52:05,080 --> 00:52:09,279
Speaker 5: Politico and they say, apparently there's some more context here

1011
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,800
Speaker 5: about the back and forth, like do you know about

1012
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:19,720
Speaker 5: these text messages the reporter. The reporter then exchanges messages

1013
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 5: with the Platner campaign. Those messages have been now circulating

1014
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 5: in main politics, in main political circles. I obtained a

1015
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,880
Speaker 5: copy of those. I was able to authenticate them with

1016
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 5: sources with knowledge of them. And here is what the

1017
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 5: Politico reporter said to the campaign. Jenny Rascott had been

1018
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,280
Speaker 5: quote texting Platner about needing her glute massage. That detail

1019
00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:54,960
Speaker 5: didn't make our story glute massage. So within about a

1020
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 5: half an hour of getting this glute massage text, Platner

1021
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 5: is in the house now, she says.

1022
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 1: She says.

1023
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 4: She followed up, no, no, no.

1024
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 5: Don't come, don't and don't come because because he texts

1025
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:08,040
Speaker 5: it back long, so he's he's wasted. Clearly, he gets

1026
00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 5: this message I need you know, I need my glute massage.

1027
00:53:11,520 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 5: He comes over, he's and he's text back, I'm coming over,

1028
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,600
Speaker 5: and she said, She's like, wait, wait, don't come over that.

1029
00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 5: She says, don't come over, come over. This is main.

1030
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:25,279
Speaker 5: He's not taking the subway like so's. She's drunk drunken driving,

1031
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 5: drunkenly driving over there comes into the house and then

1032
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 5: it gives but and then he's she says, he's grabbing

1033
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 5: her on the couch.

1034
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:33,640
Speaker 4: Where is she saying?

1035
00:53:33,680 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 5: No, right, where's he grabbing her?

1036
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 9: Like?

1037
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 5: Is he like immediately starting like the glute massage or whatever? Anyway,

1038
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 5: with Washington Post, to its credit, included a version of

1039
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 5: the detail we could put up. Washington posted the seven

1040
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,840
Speaker 5: one night in November or December twenty twenty one. She

1041
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 5: said she texted him to say that she could use

1042
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 5: a massage. She said she did not intend it as

1043
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 5: an invitation, but he interpreted it that way, immediate replying

1044
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 5: to say he would come right over. She said she

1045
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,440
Speaker 5: wrote back twice telling him not to. The Post was

1046
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 5: not able to review the alleged messages are independently verify them.

1047
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 5: Rassaco It said she later deleted them soon after the incident,

1048
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,600
Speaker 5: so they didn't posts didn't include the glue part, but

1049
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 5: did mention the massage their credit. But because the Politico

1050
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 5: published first, nobody I didn't even know the Washington Post

1051
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:26,680
Speaker 5: reported xactly.

1052
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 4: And I think that's why this is important.

1053
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: So there's the most important part, and let's just zoom out,

1054
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:37,439
Speaker 1: because this does potentially explain why a drunken platner enters

1055
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 1: the home. Right it stops there, because that's where the

1056
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,800
Speaker 1: rest of the evening and her account of the evening

1057
00:54:44,200 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: it no longer accounts for. But it does explain a detail.

1058
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,280
Speaker 1: And I think what was key to the understanding generally

1059
00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 1: that all of us had was that it did genuinely

1060
00:54:54,680 --> 00:54:57,800
Speaker 1: appear as if Platner had been told explicitly not to

1061
00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,319
Speaker 1: come over there. Understood that to be the case. Broke

1062
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:03,799
Speaker 1: into the home, effectively entering a home unannounced, and which

1063
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 1: whether it's unlocked or not, is a full blown crime,

1064
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean, and I do think that that's part of

1065
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,440
Speaker 1: why we need to assess this very seriously. The very

1066
00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:17,279
Speaker 1: definition of what Jenny has alleged here is a full

1067
00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: blown gross sexual assault class A felony in the state

1068
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,440
Speaker 1: of Maine with statute of limitations for twenty years. That's

1069
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: what she is alleging, which carries a significant prison sentence

1070
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,719
Speaker 1: for decades, potentially in prison. And that is my understanding

1071
00:55:31,960 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: of how I need to evaluate what is being alleged here.

1072
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 1: I want to make that clear now. If I were

1073
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 1: then to submit to due process or any something like

1074
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: that in a trial and I saw something like that,

1075
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 1: it would significantly change Again, my understanding of how the

1076
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: event were to begin. This does not in any way

1077
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,240
Speaker 1: say that she is lying about what then transcribed. Also,

1078
00:55:54,520 --> 00:55:57,320
Speaker 1: we should not take away agency from Plattner, who is

1079
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,320
Speaker 1: wasted out of his mind five years ago, mind, you know,

1080
00:56:00,520 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: not twenty years ago. Five years ago, absolutely blacked out

1081
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: drunk and then clearly in a position where he has

1082
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 1: been in several of these types of encounters which have

1083
00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:15,160
Speaker 1: been described from Lindsay Fifield to others women or ex

1084
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,920
Speaker 1: girlfriends who have talked to the media. He put himself

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Speaker 1: and had terrible judgment, terrible behavior and put himself in

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Speaker 1: a situation where something like this could happen, which was

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Speaker 1: obviously very traumatizing to Jenny herself in terms of her

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Speaker 1: understanding the Facebook messages about consensually careless. That's why I

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Speaker 1: think this is a media story, because I think that

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Speaker 1: the irresponsibility of not reporting that led to an understanding

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Speaker 1: of how the event transpired, which is not fulsome with

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Speaker 1: the general reality. And maybe it seems like you and

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Speaker 1: I are splitting hairents. But the reason why I think

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Speaker 1: it's really important and when you learn this it really

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Speaker 1: struck me, is it really reminded me of how a

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Speaker 1: lot of the me too cases in twenty seventeen and

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen transports in which it was very obvious it

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Speaker 1: was purely on the you know, word of one person.

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Speaker 1: You could have contravening evidence of what obviously was a

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Speaker 1: complicated encounter or something where look, there's genuine you know,

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Speaker 1: misunderstanding or you know, a different takeaway in which people's

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Speaker 1: lives got totally ruined. And I do think that in

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Speaker 1: this case, like with Platner, look it looks like he's

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Speaker 1: on the track to resign, and when he does, from

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Speaker 1: what we know about his finances, if his rich parents

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Speaker 1: don't bail him out, he has no money, and he

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Speaker 1: will be branded let's call it what it is, a

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Speaker 1: rapist for all time. And that is kind of what

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Speaker 1: we're talking about, beyond the political implications, but the character

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Speaker 1: of the person. I don't think he has particularly a

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Speaker 1: good character personally in terms of the way that he's

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Speaker 1: acted here. But you know, politics is not a character context.

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Speaker 5: Were this really that If it was, it wouldn't be

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Speaker 5: good't we wouldn't have Trump as president.

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Speaker 1: Yet I say all of this only to say that

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Speaker 1: the way that CNN did not follow up that question

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Speaker 1: and Politico did not include that detail. That is willful

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Speaker 1: in trying to craft a narrative. That's not what we're

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Speaker 1: supposed to do. That's why, and that's part of why

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Speaker 1: I appreciate the show. We talked back and forth, we

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Speaker 1: had different context, detail understanding, and for them, you know,

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Speaker 1: by printing it the way they did. I mean, as

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Speaker 1: a journalist, I think the ultimate job is to always

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Speaker 1: include as much understanding an event as possible, especially one

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Speaker 1: it's just something like this. Jenny is reledging a full

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Speaker 1: blown felony punishable by a decade or plus or whatever

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Speaker 1: in prison. That merits a serious understanding of how we're

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Speaker 1: gonna put in all the detail as much as possible

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Speaker 1: as if then were go to trials. Since they knew

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Speaker 1: the direct implications of their story at the time that

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Speaker 1: they wrote it, they knew exactly what it would how

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Speaker 1: it would unfold.

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Speaker 5: And what's so interesting that, like we were saying earlier,

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Speaker 5: credit to Jenny for volunteering this information, I totally agree.

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Speaker 5: Perhaps she thought that maybe Plattner still had the text messages,

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Speaker 5: but either way, she yes, she did not hide any

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Speaker 5: She did not hide this at all. It is the

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Speaker 5: media that decided that this was not a relevant detail

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Speaker 5: to share. And like you said, none of what we're

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Speaker 5: saying here is intended to say, oh, well everything afterwards

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Speaker 5: he's justified, No, of course not. The question is is

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Speaker 5: it a relevant detail that should have been shared with

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Speaker 5: readers so that as they are analyzing how they feel

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Speaker 5: about the situation, they can take it all into context.

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Speaker 5: Does it give you any clues into how Graham Plattner

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Speaker 5: was interpreting, whether or not there was consent, whether or

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Speaker 5: not he was invited over and I don't Politico affirmatively

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Speaker 5: wrote in its article that he was uninvited. You could

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Speaker 5: say he was disinvited by the subsequent text messages uninvited

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Speaker 5: is false, Like it is just flat out false.

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Speaker 1: There's an invitation, and that is the key, and that

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Speaker 1: adds even more to this interview, which never thought I

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Speaker 1: would say, this a decent job of questioning here of

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Speaker 1: Mika Persinski and Adam Ren who's one of the.

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Speaker 5: Before we got that, so I asked Jake Tapper if

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Speaker 5: he's aware, if he knew, I asked, why didn't you

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Speaker 5: do a follow up? But more importantly, did you ask

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Speaker 5: her off camera? Did you know that she had said

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Speaker 5: I need my glute massage. In the text message that

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Speaker 5: that was the thing that he quote unquote mistook as

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Speaker 5: an invitation. He did not respond. I asked Politico for comment.

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Speaker 5: They are saying that they're working on a response. When

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Speaker 5: that response comes in, we'll put it in the newsletter

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Speaker 5: and we'll put it in the notes underneath here. If

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Speaker 5: that comes in before we finish taping the program, well

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Speaker 5: we'll put it up.

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Speaker 1: Let's get to Mika Persinski here talking about or sorry

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Speaker 1: pressing Adam Wren, one of the reporters who was on

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Speaker 1: this story. Let's take a listen.

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Speaker 13: What aspects of this story brought it to the love

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Speaker 13: of publishable.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, you're you're correct here, Mika. There there is no

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Speaker 14: police report in this case. We spent a lot of

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Speaker 14: time talking to the Jenny, you know, asking her for

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Speaker 14: coroborating evidence. She shared that she had confided into a

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Speaker 14: number of people, including her therapist, uh and almost real time,

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Speaker 14: and we reviewed email exchanges between she and her therapist

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Speaker 14: referring to what she called this the sexual assault, and

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Speaker 14: her therapist sort of acknowledging that this is this had

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Speaker 14: happened to her. We talked to people who she confided

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Speaker 14: in in the months after this happened. We asked her

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Speaker 14: why she didn't file a police report, and she described

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Speaker 14: sort of the the insular nature of where she lives

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Speaker 14: in her corner of Maine that she shares with Graham Platner,

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Speaker 14: and she you know, debated sort of how to to

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Speaker 14: handle this.

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Speaker 5: Uh.

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Speaker 14: And and we found ultimately the number of coroborating pieces

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Speaker 14: of evidence, uh, to to support her story h in

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Speaker 14: a way that we could report it.

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Speaker 13: So, what are some of those corroborating pieces of evidence?

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Speaker 13: So you've got uh, conversations with her therapist and people

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Speaker 13: who she confide it in, any any conversations with Graham

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Speaker 13: Platner at the time of it, where she said because

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Speaker 13: apparently as part of this story, she says she even

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Speaker 13: confirmed to him that this was not consent.

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Speaker 1: Do you have that?

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Speaker 13: What what do you have that actually connects this literally

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Speaker 13: Graham Platner to raping this victim.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: She reached out to him the day after via Instagram

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Speaker 14: and essentially you know, told him that, you know, she

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Speaker 14: didn't want to hear from again, and she told him

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Speaker 14: that morning as well.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 14: And uh, you know, we we uh looked at messages

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Speaker 14: that she had sent to others in the months after

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Speaker 14: this happened through.

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Speaker 13: Social media to see those dms.

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Speaker 14: Uh, she tried to recover those dms.

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Speaker 7: We did not.

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Speaker 14: We were not able to review those dms, but she

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Speaker 14: described them to us. We also, long before he was

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Speaker 14: a public, before he was a political candidate, we saw

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Speaker 14: her essentially explain to others that he was quote in

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Speaker 14: her words, consensually careless.

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Speaker 1: So I do think that that interview is important because

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Speaker 1: you know, and you know, cutting off if I'm sharing

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Speaker 1: too much. But when you shared before the story came out,

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Speaker 1: one of the key details where I was like, wow,

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Speaker 1: this is devastating is you told me the therapist verified

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Speaker 1: her comments and that didn't happen. That wasn't in the story.

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Speaker 5: That's pretty That was the room. That was the room.

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Speaker 1: That was the rumor that was going around was that

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Speaker 1: the therapist could verify that at a time before he

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Speaker 1: ran for office, that he she could verify her allegation.

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Speaker 1: And that's not what happened. And they reviewed emails, you know,

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Speaker 1: between her telling the therapist that had happened in June.

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Speaker 5: On in June June of this year, after she started

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Speaker 5: working with.

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Speaker 1: She they did talk to a friend ex boyfriend who

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Speaker 1: backed up her story, so that you know that's there,

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Speaker 1: and the Facebook message is there too, But I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the therapist detail was.

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Speaker 5: Kind of important and I can read from the political article.

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Speaker 5: So this is about the This is the Politico describing

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Speaker 5: the therapist. Rasik Coo showed Politico recent emails with her therapist.

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Speaker 5: They say recent. My understanding is this is June, like

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Speaker 5: weeks ago, in which Razakott explained she was talking to

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Speaker 5: the media about her relationship with Platiner and the essay

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Speaker 5: slash R, using an abbreviation for in the message, Rasicote

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Speaker 5: was not ready to go public and was seeking help

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Speaker 5: corroborating her account in conversations she was having with reporters

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Speaker 5: on condition of man Her therapist responded that Razakot shouldn't

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Speaker 5: have to speak publicly about a traumatic incident in order

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Speaker 5: to be believed, without referencing details of any particular incident.

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Speaker 5: The therapist, who Politico agreed not to name it her request,

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Speaker 5: declined to comment when reached on Monday. So if you

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Speaker 5: hear Adam Ran from Politico discussing it, the therapist confirmed

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Speaker 5: that they discussed that that's not what they wrote, but

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Speaker 5: they should have written that in their article.

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Speaker 1: So he is saying something which did not appear in

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Speaker 1: their story, which is why I think again this is

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Speaker 1: where the rumor mail actually got past what was written,

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Speaker 1: because when I read that, and I'm assuming the editors

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Speaker 1: you know something like this, you go through the fine

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Speaker 1: tooth comp because your ass is getting suit if you

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Speaker 1: get a single detail right.

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Speaker 5: Wrote so she wrote basically, do you remember me sharing

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Speaker 5: these details with you? And the therapist wrote back with

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Speaker 5: a general comment on how women should be believed and

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Speaker 5: she should be believed and she should beau for her.

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Speaker 1: That's the same thing.

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Speaker 5: That's not an firm, the same thing, and they didn't

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Speaker 5: They don't report it in their article as confirming, but

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Speaker 5: then they say in interviews that they did that, which

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Speaker 5: is again like we're in an era where people are

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Speaker 5: losing trust in media and what are we doing.

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Speaker 1: That's why I finally want to do D five. Let's

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Speaker 1: do D five here and put it up here on

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Speaker 1: the screen. This is from Lindsay Fifield, who he'll recall

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Speaker 1: she was the conservative activist who originally was one of

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Speaker 1: the people named in the New York Times story. And

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Speaker 1: I actually think it's very worth reading what she says here.

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Speaker 1: She says, I actually understand why Democratic leaders didn't take

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Speaker 1: our story seriously when the Times are poored them in June,

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Speaker 1: but are taking them seriously now. It was by design.

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Speaker 1: The line most shared from my piece was the claim

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Speaker 1: that Times could quote not corroborate my story despite talking

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Speaker 1: to two of my friends. I gave them contact information

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Speaker 1: for five friends. They called the two who I clarified

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Speaker 1: not to know about the abuse, but they would be

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Speaker 1: able to affirm our relationship, timeline events, et cetera. They

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Speaker 1: simply did not call the other three. I also gave

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Speaker 1: the names of all my former roommates who remember him

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Speaker 1: stalking our row house, which was five row houses down

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Speaker 1: from his, and waiting for me to return. I gave

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Speaker 1: them screenshots of messages between these roommates and I discussing it.

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Speaker 1: I gave them the names of other men I dated

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Speaker 1: who might have remember him following us around the hills,

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Speaker 1: showing up on my stoop where we walked home from

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Speaker 1: days to confront us. I gave them emails to my

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Speaker 1: landlord urgently ending my lease and moving to an apartment

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Speaker 1: across town, and diary entries talking about it all time,

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Speaker 1: marks I told them during pre marital counseling, I'd spoken

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Speaker 1: to my ex fiance about the abuse, because I had

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Speaker 1: to explain to him why I reacted with terror anytime

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Speaker 1: he lost his temper. They said, oh, no, we don't

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Speaker 1: need to bother him or my priests. Besides, I'd written

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Speaker 1: about in my diary. As the weeks dragged on, I

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Speaker 1: stopped trying to give them evidence because the amount I'd

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01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:39,320
Speaker 1: already give them seemed to overwhelm them, and I thought

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Speaker 1: it meant that they had clearly more enough to verify

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Speaker 1: my every claim. My friends might not have known the details,

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Speaker 1: but they affirmed that, yes, I had told them he

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Speaker 1: was abusive. Besides, they assured my part in the reporting

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Speaker 1: would be small. I thought my details would only serve

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Speaker 1: to affirm Jenny and the other anonymous woman. Jenny and I,

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Speaker 1: having never met or spoken, both shared with these reporters

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Speaker 1: terrifyingly similar details of intimate partner violence, coercive control, and

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Speaker 1: cycles of abuse. The third unnamed woman did as well,

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Speaker 1: but tell me again how they could not corroborate. So

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Speaker 1: there are two things that actually happen here is it's

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01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,120
Speaker 1: very clear they told her she would be a small

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Speaker 1: part of the story. She ends up being in.

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Speaker 4: Mind in the flagship part of the story.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,839
Speaker 1: Similarly, she actually did provide them a decent amount of evidence.

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Speaker 1: It's and this is speculation on my part. If by

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Speaker 1: telling her that she's going to be a small part

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Speaker 1: of the story, they probably did the same thing to Jenny.

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Speaker 1: And Jenny is her entire reason for coming forward with

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01:08:33,160 --> 01:08:37,120
Speaker 1: this allegation now is that she says she was furious

1324
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Speaker 1: at the way the reaction happened to the New York

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Speaker 1: Times story, which elevated Lindsay Fifield's allegation and the dismissal

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Speaker 1: generally of her because of her previous role as a

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01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:52,720
Speaker 1: conservative activist. And so the spiral here is that if

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Speaker 1: the Times had just done its job, if they had

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Speaker 1: reported what she says here. By the way, Jennie also

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Speaker 1: so says, I told the Times all of this off

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Speaker 1: the record, and if she they had gotten her to

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Speaker 1: expound on that and get her on the record and

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01:09:08,120 --> 01:09:11,040
Speaker 1: properly get her on the record and put all of

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Speaker 1: this in a fulsome story, this could have all been

1335
01:09:14,200 --> 01:09:18,559
Speaker 1: done before the primary, and then none of this would

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01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:22,360
Speaker 1: be happening in some weird you know, extra democratic way

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01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,400
Speaker 1: where he's got to drop out and then they're gonna

1338
01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,040
Speaker 1: have to put them. This could happen before the primary,

1339
01:09:26,320 --> 01:09:28,719
Speaker 1: right the voters would have had the information, new candidates

1340
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 1: to Troy or whatever could have declared.

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01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:30,960
Speaker 4: People would have.

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Speaker 1: Actually had a chance to vote. And so I think

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01:09:33,240 --> 01:09:36,040
Speaker 1: that the two primary villains here New York Times for

1344
01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,360
Speaker 1: the way they handle this, and then CNN and Politico,

1345
01:09:39,680 --> 01:09:42,360
Speaker 1: all three of those because they did not present Graham

1346
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 1: for being a dog.

1347
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:44,800
Speaker 4: Well oh yeah, right, so you know.

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01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:47,200
Speaker 1: Sorry when I say primary villain, I'm talking about the

1349
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Speaker 1: process that right, Yes, I know, yeah, Graham. I mean again,

1350
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Speaker 1: I said it before in our previous block. Take it

1351
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:57,280
Speaker 1: as a lesson, guys, clean living. Clean living will get

1352
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 1: you a clean life. And if you want to run

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01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:01,960
Speaker 1: for office, you know you shouldn't be acting like this.

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01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:03,640
Speaker 1: And that's final thing.

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Speaker 4: I said it yesterday.

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Speaker 1: That's why I think he's loadsome because he told people

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01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: nothing else is coming, and you were rolling around like

1358
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,479
Speaker 1: this four or five years ago, maybe even ten fifteen

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01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,400
Speaker 1: years ago, like Lindsay Fifields. So there could be more

1360
01:10:15,439 --> 01:10:17,639
Speaker 1: that we could be, more that we didn't talk about,

1361
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,400
Speaker 1: and people stuck their next out for you. How many

1362
01:10:20,479 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 1: millions of dollars did he raise? Millions? People donated to

1363
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 1: their hard earned money to you, and you fucked them over, man,

1364
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: You really did.

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Speaker 4: And he's got to live with that, you know not,

1366
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:30,200
Speaker 4: which is what he did these women.

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Speaker 1: He betrayed all these supporters trusts.

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Speaker 5: And I don't know if he even remembers this text

1369
01:10:35,400 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 5: message exchange. And I reached out to him for comment

1370
01:10:39,240 --> 01:10:43,760
Speaker 5: having heart back. So I don't even know. And as

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Speaker 5: far as people I've talked like him, he may not

1372
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Speaker 5: even know about the existence of these text messages, the

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:53,000
Speaker 5: glup thing, because he was seems like he was blacked out.

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Speaker 5: According to Jenny, the next morning, he rolled over and

1375
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 5: put his arm around her and she's like, what are

1376
01:10:58,280 --> 01:11:00,600
Speaker 5: you doing? Like do you not remember what happened last night?

1377
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Speaker 5: And years right now? She's like and she's like get out.

1378
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and yeah, I mean his his handling of all

1379
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,200
Speaker 1: of it is awful. He never responded. Allegedly, according to her,

1380
01:11:10,439 --> 01:11:13,639
Speaker 1: he never responded to her message, being like, dude, you raise.

1381
01:11:13,560 --> 01:11:16,640
Speaker 5: That was and that was a thing. Come on, that

1382
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:18,720
Speaker 5: was the thing that he's knocked for over and over.

1383
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:20,160
Speaker 5: So's ghosting, like, oh.

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01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:23,719
Speaker 1: These women he was drunk, you know, totally out of control,

1385
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 1: manic depressive, which even five years ago that was and

1386
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: he was gradually true. And that's my final thing where

1387
01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:32,720
Speaker 1: people are like, how could you have known? And you

1388
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:35,160
Speaker 1: couldn't have known this. I'm not blaming you or anybody,

1389
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:39,360
Speaker 1: but you know, the tattoo, the adrenaline, junkie behavior, the

1390
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: blackwater and all that, it's a type. It's an archetype

1391
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,959
Speaker 1: which anybody who's ever interacted with people in the military

1392
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:48,600
Speaker 1: they know, they know. Well, some people liked him for that,

1393
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:51,000
Speaker 1: and I understand that, but it does come with a

1394
01:11:51,080 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 1: significant downside.

1395
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 4: For anybody who you know is like this.

1396
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Speaker 1: And then so you know, look, if you want to

1397
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Speaker 1: be a public servant, part of that is you need

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01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 1: you not only have to withstand scrutiny, but you need

1399
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:02,800
Speaker 1: good character.

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Speaker 4: You need good judgment.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think I would have said that five

1402
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: years ago. I don't think the character and judgment, or sorry,

1403
01:12:07,520 --> 01:12:12,000
Speaker 1: character especially was all that was all that important to judgment.

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01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:14,040
Speaker 1: But I've actually changed my opinion quite a bit on that.

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01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 5: As mom Donnie showed up. If you're going to take

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01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 5: on the man, oh man, you.

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01:12:17,720 --> 01:12:23,320
Speaker 1: Gotta be squeaky clean and completely no skeletons or any

1408
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,120
Speaker 1: of that in the closet, because you're right, if you're

1409
01:12:25,200 --> 01:12:27,400
Speaker 1: the man, you can have plenty of skeletons in there,

1410
01:12:27,720 --> 01:12:30,680
Speaker 1: they don't care. But if you're not, you know, and

1411
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,560
Speaker 1: that's not an endorsement of the way that the situation is.

1412
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:37,160
Speaker 1: It is kind of unfair considering how many disgusting cretans

1413
01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 1: are Aaron Washington probably who have done the exact same thing.

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01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 5: But in class cannot count it such behavior.

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Speaker 1: Great point, Ye