WEBVTT - Very Special Places: New York City

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<v Speaker 1>It's a night out in New York City in nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>fifty four. You could be doing well anything. There are movies, theaters, parties, bars, restaurants.

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<v Speaker 1>You could be at the opera or the ballet. You

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<v Speaker 1>could be dancing among the young and beautiful at El Morocco,

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<v Speaker 1>the Stork Club, or the Copa Cabana. Instead, you're standing

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<v Speaker 1>on a street corner, elbow to elbow with strangers, just

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<v Speaker 1>waiting because in just a few minutes you've been promised

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<v Speaker 1>you're about to get the best show in town, and

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<v Speaker 1>so you shove your hands in your pockets to warm

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<v Speaker 1>them and try not to get elbowed by an overly

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<v Speaker 1>aggressive photographer Next to you. You watch as burly men

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<v Speaker 1>carrying equipment set up for a movie scene they're about

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<v Speaker 1>to shoot. Maybe you get a glimpse of the actor

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<v Speaker 1>Tom Ewele, but everyone knows that, despite his recently celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>turn on Broadway, he's not the one who anyone is

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<v Speaker 1>here to see. Finally, you get a glimpse of white fabric,

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<v Speaker 1>a flash of a blonde bob, a smile that sets

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<v Speaker 1>the world sideways. The crowd comes to life with shouts

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<v Speaker 1>and cheers around you. Marilyn Monroe is here to shoot

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<v Speaker 1>what will become the most iconic scene in her career. Today,

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<v Speaker 1>there's nothing extraordinary about the corner of Lexington and fifty

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<v Speaker 1>second Street in twenty twenty six. There are three lanes

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<v Speaker 1>of fast moving traffic. There's a halal cart on the

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<v Speaker 1>sidewalk and a Paris baguette at the intersection, where in

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<v Speaker 1>a pen you can get a fairly generic sandwich on

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<v Speaker 1>the sidewalk on the southwestern side of the intersection, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a mundane looking office building. It's the site of

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<v Speaker 1>a moment that redefined celebrity a few decades earlier, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's not even a plaque. Even if you've never seen

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<v Speaker 1>the Billy Wilder movie The Seven Year Itch, I can

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<v Speaker 1>almost guarantee you're aware of its most indelible image, immortalized

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<v Speaker 1>on the movie's poster and in recreations and parodies in

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<v Speaker 1>the decades since. In the movie, Marilyn Monroe, playing the

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<v Speaker 1>character credited only as the Girl, leaves the Translux movie

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<v Speaker 1>theater on fifty second Street with Tom Mule's character Richard

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<v Speaker 1>Sherman after seeing the creature from the Black Lagoon, and

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<v Speaker 1>then Monroe's character in a white halter dress with accordion pleats,

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<v Speaker 1>stands on a subway grate to enjoy the breeze from

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<v Speaker 1>a passing train below, her dress lifting around her. The

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<v Speaker 1>scene was scheduled to shoot on September fifteenth, nineteen fifty four.

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<v Speaker 1>Twentieth Century Fox, the studio behind the picture, smelled an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity for publicity. They got word out to the public

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<v Speaker 1>about when and where that scene would be filming and

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<v Speaker 1>what exactly the scene would be. Fans and photographers descended,

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<v Speaker 1>all jocking for position to get a glimpse of the

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<v Speaker 1>movie star's legs and whatever else they might see. And

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<v Speaker 1>it was quite the crowd. Anywhere from two thousand to

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<v Speaker 1>five thousand people were shouting and screaming. Every time Wilder

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<v Speaker 1>queued the special effects man below the grate to turn

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<v Speaker 1>on the giant fan cameras flashed and snapped, and Marilyn's

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<v Speaker 1>dress blew up around her again and again and again.

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<v Speaker 1>The crew shot the scene fourteen times as the crowds roared.

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<v Speaker 1>The truth was the crowds were never going to see

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<v Speaker 1>what they were probably hoping for. In her biography, Marilyn

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<v Speaker 1>noted that she wore two pairs of white underwear beneath

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<v Speaker 1>the dress to prevent a wardrobe malfunction. But still the

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<v Speaker 1>sexy little scene was a sensation. As it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>all that noise from the crowds screaming and shouting and

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get close enough to see whatever Marylyn's underwear

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't hiding, well, it kind of made the footage unusable.

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<v Speaker 1>They had to reshoot that scene on a studio lot

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<v Speaker 1>in California, a set dressed up to look like New

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<v Speaker 1>York City. That's the shot that actually appears in the

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<v Speaker 1>movie The Seven Year Itch, not the one where hordes

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<v Speaker 1>of fans and uppertunity were shouting just beyond the camera's sightline.

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<v Speaker 1>But that night in New York wasn't a total wash.

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<v Speaker 1>It created plenty of buzz, and photos they took became

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<v Speaker 1>publicity pictures for the movie, Pictures that would arguably become

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<v Speaker 1>the most iconic images of a woman who was already

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<v Speaker 1>an American icon, and that night in New York City,

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<v Speaker 1>with the fan below her and the fans surrounding her,

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<v Speaker 1>would change Maryland's life forever in a more personal way.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just strangers in the crowd watching as Billy

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<v Speaker 1>Wilder told her to pretend to feel the subway breeze

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<v Speaker 1>over and over again. Her husband was also on set

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<v Speaker 1>that day, Joe DiMaggio, the Yankee Clipper himself, the guy

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<v Speaker 1>who set a record for the longest ever hitting streak

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<v Speaker 1>in Major League Baseball, which still stands to this day.

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<v Speaker 1>At this point, he was just a few years into

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<v Speaker 1>retirement and only a few months into their marriage. He

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<v Speaker 1>stood there, just waiting and watching. Every time Billy Wilder

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<v Speaker 1>called action, and the crowd cheered and jeered, heckling his wife,

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<v Speaker 1>their eyes glued to her legs. Joe DiMaggio was a

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<v Speaker 1>jealous man, and he had a temper. Now it's impossible

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<v Speaker 1>to know exactly what occurred in the privacy of a marriage,

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<v Speaker 1>but according to sources, that night, the couple argued loudly

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<v Speaker 1>in the Saint Regis Hotel, where they were staying while

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<v Speaker 1>they were in New York. There are some accounts that

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<v Speaker 1>DiMaggio was physically abusive. Less than three weeks later, the

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<v Speaker 1>couple announced their divorce. The Daily News put it plainly,

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<v Speaker 1>quote Marilyn splits with Joe over sexy pictures. These days,

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<v Speaker 1>the trans Lux theater is long gone, and even the

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<v Speaker 1>original subway grades themselves have been replaced. There's no plaque,

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<v Speaker 1>but still you can stand on the site of the

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<v Speaker 1>most successful publicity photoshoot in history, the place where an

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<v Speaker 1>American icon revealed her legs and her husband revealed his insecurities.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to a very special episode of Very Special Episodes

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<v Speaker 1>and iHeart original podcast. I'm your host, Danas Schwartz, and

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<v Speaker 1>this is Very Special Places NYC Today will be taking

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<v Speaker 1>you through some of our favorite stories of New York

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<v Speaker 1>City's secret history, stories that prove that the world is

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<v Speaker 1>a very interesting place. You know where to look.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to Very Special Episodes. I am Jason English,

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<v Speaker 2>she is Dana Schwartz. He is Zaren Burnette Yo. Usually

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<v Speaker 2>on this show we tell one incredible story, but today

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to do something a little different, and we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to talk about one incredible location and several stories

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<v Speaker 2>that are hiding in plain sight. Dana, tell us about

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<v Speaker 2>your trip to New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm very excited for this episode. I love New York City.

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<v Speaker 1>It's you know, let me be the first to say

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<v Speaker 1>it's one of the greatest cities in the world. And

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<v Speaker 1>I love secret history and stories and so on this

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<v Speaker 1>trip to New York City. I made it my mission

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<v Speaker 1>to try to find locations that just seem ordinary, that

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<v Speaker 1>a normal person might just walk on by, but have

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<v Speaker 1>full stories behind them. And so that was what was

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<v Speaker 1>very exciting to me, is to find the places in

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<v Speaker 1>the city where you might not even know important, fascinating,

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<v Speaker 1>interesting history happened right there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think since I read your first draft of this,

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<v Speaker 2>it's made my walking around New York more interesting. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't even know, I'm just imagining the history that's

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<v Speaker 2>happening at places there might not even have been any,

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<v Speaker 2>but the idea that look deeper into these mundane places

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<v Speaker 2>and you might have a whole other world opened up.

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<v Speaker 3>That's it.

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<v Speaker 1>So should we go to New York. There are more

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<v Speaker 1>than one hundred sculptures in New York's Central Park. Some

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<v Speaker 1>are fictional characters like Alice in Wonderland. Some, like the

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<v Speaker 1>sculpture of Balto, the heroic sled dog, aren't even human.

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<v Speaker 1>But plenty of the sculptures are honoring real living people,

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<v Speaker 1>including a sculpture by John Quincy Adams Ward of William Shakespeare.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a statue mid Park at the southern end of

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<v Speaker 1>the mall, the head of an area known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Literary Walk because of the number of statues of notable writers.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, there is this area called the kind of

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<v Speaker 4>Artists and Writers Walk. It's actually one of the most

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<v Speaker 4>beautiful areas of Central Park, especially in the fall and

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<v Speaker 4>all the leaves. It's like a canopy of trees. And again,

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<v Speaker 4>there were no statues in Central Park before this one,

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<v Speaker 4>and today this gorgeous walk, which used to be a

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<v Speaker 4>carriage path. You know, people in the Gilded Age would

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<v Speaker 4>write their carriage.

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<v Speaker 1>That's Greg Young. Greg is a historian and half of

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<v Speaker 1>the duo behind the wildly successful Bowery Boys podcast, which

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<v Speaker 1>explores hidden New York City history. Nothing about the Shakespeare

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<v Speaker 1>sculpture in Central Park seems particularly out of the ordinary.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a nice bronze sculpture, a perfect backdrop for your

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<v Speaker 1>picnic or frisbee game. Its plinth is very tall. It's

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<v Speaker 1>impossible to get at eye level. Maybe that's fitting, after all,

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<v Speaker 1>William Shakespeare is arguably the greatest playwright in world history,

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<v Speaker 1>should be looking down at all the passers by swirling

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<v Speaker 1>the clinking ice in their machas and arguing about whether

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<v Speaker 1>they should try to get a reservation at Balthazar. Like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, it's a nice statue, but there's something astonishing

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<v Speaker 1>about it that you won't learn from its engraving or

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<v Speaker 1>from the little information board nearby. That statue of William Shakespeare,

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<v Speaker 1>still standing today in Central Park, has a connection to

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<v Speaker 1>one of the most notorious murderers in American history. Back

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<v Speaker 1>in eighteen sixty four, when the idea came about for

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<v Speaker 1>a statue of William Shakespeare for the three hundredth anniversary

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<v Speaker 1>of his birth, a committee put together a plan for

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<v Speaker 1>raising the funds Now, a statue in Central Park obviously

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't seem like a big deal, but as Greg explains,

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<v Speaker 1>back then, it was actually a pretty big decision.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me explain how like kind of shocking or just

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<v Speaker 4>how stunning that even is as a story, because Central

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<v Speaker 4>Park isn't even completed yet, okay, And the original design

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<v Speaker 4>of Central Park was that it was not supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>have any kind of ornamentation, whether it wasn't going to

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<v Speaker 4>have statue, It was going to be a place where

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<v Speaker 4>you could like sort of take your horse, ride around

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<v Speaker 4>your carriage, or walk around, and it wasn't supposed to

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<v Speaker 4>have a lot of memorials to culture in it.

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<v Speaker 1>The fact that this statue got the go ahead just

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<v Speaker 1>goes to show how prominent and powerful the committee of

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<v Speaker 1>men advocating for it was. The committee was made of

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<v Speaker 1>well the type of people you expect for this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of thing, people who love public art and theater, actors, directors,

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy people, the literati. One of the men on that

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<v Speaker 1>committee was a man named Edwin Booth, almost universally celebrated

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<v Speaker 1>as the pre eminent Shakespearean actor of his day, and

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<v Speaker 1>Edwin had quite the theatrical pedigree. His father, Junius Brutus Booth,

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<v Speaker 1>was the most famous Shakespearean actor of his day, who

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<v Speaker 1>had moved from England to the United States and spent

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<v Speaker 1>decades touring with his portrayals of Shakespeare's most famous characters.

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<v Speaker 1>As a young man, Edwin had traveled alongside his father,

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<v Speaker 1>absorbing the words of the Bard's poetry by osmosis, before

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<v Speaker 1>he eventually set out on his own, becoming a prominent

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<v Speaker 1>and celebrated actor in his own right, known for his

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<v Speaker 1>signature role Hamlet. The Booth Theater in New York City

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<v Speaker 1>is still named for him today, and Edwin had become

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<v Speaker 1>not only a critically acclaimed actor, but also a man

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<v Speaker 1>of society with famous and connected friends, the type of

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<v Speaker 1>person whose deserves on a committee to erect a statue

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<v Speaker 1>of William Shakespeare in Central Park.

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<v Speaker 4>William Shakespeare was actually really popular in the mid nineteenth

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<v Speaker 4>century with all different classes. In fact, I would even

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<v Speaker 4>say that, like the working class, a lot of immigrant communities,

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<v Speaker 4>especially out in the West, really understood and connected to Shakespeare,

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<v Speaker 4>which I find really heartening in a way, because I

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<v Speaker 4>think a lot of times it's seen as like hiphaluten

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<v Speaker 4>and hard to understand.

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<v Speaker 1>To raise money for the statue, there would be a

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<v Speaker 1>one night only benefit performance of what else a Shakespeare play,

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<v Speaker 1>and to really bolster up interest, they would do something

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<v Speaker 1>really special. That night, for the first and only time.

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<v Speaker 1>Edwin Booth would be performing alongside two of his brothers,

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<v Speaker 1>his older brother Junius Brutus Junior and his younger brother,

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<v Speaker 1>John Wilkes. Yes, that John Wilkes Booth.

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<v Speaker 4>You have to remember, I mean you probably know this

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<v Speaker 4>from American history, but John Wilkes Booth is an actor, right.

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<v Speaker 4>He was a part of the crew of the American Cousin,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, on that night where Lincoln was assassinated. But

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<v Speaker 4>not only was he an actor, he was like one

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<v Speaker 4>of the most famous actors. He and his brother and

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<v Speaker 4>his father Junius.

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<v Speaker 1>The play they decided to put on was Julius Caesar.

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<v Speaker 1>I know what you're thinking, but no, John Wilkes did

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<v Speaker 1>not play the role of the man who assassinates a tyrant.

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<v Speaker 1>Brutus was actually played by Edwin, who, it really should

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<v Speaker 1>be noted, was the far better actor compared to John Wilkes.

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<v Speaker 1>Although John was notably handsome. John Wilkes played Mark Antony.

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<v Speaker 1>The show was a rousing success.

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<v Speaker 4>They were such a prominent family and this statue was

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<v Speaker 4>actually seen as something very civic that they were really

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<v Speaker 4>going to be a part of building this aspect of

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<v Speaker 4>New York. No one's thinking of Central Park at this

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<v Speaker 4>time as being what it is today. So the fact

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<v Speaker 4>that they're responsible for this is very significant. And so

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<v Speaker 4>they end up it's like a fundraiser. They appear they

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<v Speaker 4>do Julius Caesar. It's the three brothers, John Wilkes, Edwin

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<v Speaker 4>and Junius and they perform on the stage of Edwin's

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<v Speaker 4>theater to raise money for this particular statue. And it

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<v Speaker 4>is one of the biggest shows. Like New York has

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<v Speaker 4>some big shows. You know, whatever you've got like Maady

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<v Speaker 4>Gaga five nights at whatever Barkley Center. You've got the Beatles,

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<v Speaker 4>You've got Simon and Garfunkele. This is really like a

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<v Speaker 4>top ten type of sellout show.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's like Julius Caesar. Right, we've all seen this.

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<v Speaker 4>It would not be the show I would have selected

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<v Speaker 4>as one of the greatest of all time, but it

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<v Speaker 4>drew so many people they were able to immediately raise

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<v Speaker 4>money for the construction of the statue.

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<v Speaker 1>The Three Brothers for the price of one performance ended

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<v Speaker 1>up raising four thousand dollars or about eighty thousand dollars today.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was a brief hiccup during the second act.

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<v Speaker 1>Shakespeare's dialogue was drowned out by the sound of clanging

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<v Speaker 1>fire bells outside on the street. The show paused, and

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<v Speaker 1>Edwin quietly spoke with the theater manager before returning to

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<v Speaker 1>stage and breaking the fourth wall to address the audience.

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<v Speaker 1>He informed them that a small fire had broken out

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<v Speaker 1>nearby at the Lafarge Hotel, but it was put out

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<v Speaker 1>the show could continue. At that time, neither the audience

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<v Speaker 1>nor the actors on stage had a full understanding of

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<v Speaker 1>what had actually occurred that night. The year is eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>sixty four, and the performance might have been entertaining enough

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<v Speaker 1>to put the Civil War out of mind, but the

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<v Speaker 1>war was still going on. A group known as the

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<v Speaker 1>Confederate Army of Manhattan had infiltrated the city and they

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<v Speaker 1>were attempting to burn the city down.

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<v Speaker 3>At the time that this happened, this was in November.

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<v Speaker 4>It was like around Thanksgiving in fact of eighteen sixty four,

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<v Speaker 4>and the Confederacy were.

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<v Speaker 3>They were losing by this time.

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<v Speaker 4>They were losing very, very badly, and it was almost

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<v Speaker 4>a set done by this time. But there were a

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<v Speaker 4>collection of Confederates who came to New York City in disguise,

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<v Speaker 4>you know. They met in New York City, and they

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<v Speaker 4>thought that one great way to turn the tide, or

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<v Speaker 4>just a real sudden like sha gunaw type of situation,

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<v Speaker 4>was to go through New York and to set all

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<v Speaker 4>of these fires all over the place. And they use

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<v Speaker 4>what was called Greek fire. Today it's almost like a

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<v Speaker 4>Molotov cocktail.

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<v Speaker 1>They lit fires in a theater in P. T. Barnum's

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<v Speaker 1>New York City Museum, and in nineteen hotels including the LeFarge.

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<v Speaker 3>And so a group of these men went out.

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<v Speaker 4>Into the city one particular night, and they were to

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<v Speaker 4>some degree successful, some of them, I mean overall they

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<v Speaker 4>were a bit incompetent, Thank goodness. This was really before

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<v Speaker 4>even like go out and do the circus properly. This

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<v Speaker 4>was like a major venue, kind of like freak show

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<v Speaker 4>meets zoo meets sort of like an anything goes type

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<v Speaker 4>of place. They attempted to burn that down that someone

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<v Speaker 4>ran in, and they threw the flames onto the stairs

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<v Speaker 4>and it caught fire. But again like they didn't do

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<v Speaker 4>a very good job of it. Most of these fires

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<v Speaker 4>were put out very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>Though there was momentary panic, the fires were effectively put

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<v Speaker 1>out and the plot was foiled. The next morning, the

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<v Speaker 1>Booth brothers all met for breakfast at Edwin's home on

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<v Speaker 1>East nineteenenth Street. Of course, the news of the day

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<v Speaker 1>came up how Confederate radicals had tried to burn the

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<v Speaker 1>city to the ground. To Edwin's shock and surprise, John

0:20:11.520 --> 0:20:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Wilkes defended the plot. Those men were trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>retribution for all of the atrocities the Union had committed.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you blame them? Well, yes, yes you can. Edwin,

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<v Speaker 1>who had just voted for Lincoln's reelection, was a guest.

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<v Speaker 1>He kicked John Wilkes out of his house then and there.

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<v Speaker 4>So John Wilkes Booth, actually yeah, was very Southern sympathizing,

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<v Speaker 4>which would set him askance from his brother.

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<v Speaker 3>Edwin, who was more for the Union.

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<v Speaker 4>He didn't have anything to do with these fires, but

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<v Speaker 4>as we know, as the Confederacy decided to do more

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<v Speaker 4>and more things that were more desperate in nature, he

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<v Speaker 4>ended up getting pulled into the conflict eventually himself.

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<v Speaker 1>In April of the following year, John Wilkes Booth would

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<v Speaker 1>assassinate President Abraham Lincoln, fewer than five months after he

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<v Speaker 1>had starred in a famous play about a political assassination.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, exactly, Julius Caesar right.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, I believe John played Mark Anthony and Edwin

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<v Speaker 4>played Brutus, and then Cassius was the brother Junius. So

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<v Speaker 4>but I wonder, I mean, certainly things were already clicking

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<v Speaker 4>in John Wiok's mind by this point.

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<v Speaker 1>I assume Lincoln's assassination occurred at the Ford's Theater in Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>d C. During a production of Our American Cousin. Booth

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<v Speaker 1>knew the play well. He supposedly tried to time his

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<v Speaker 1>gunshot with a moment in the play where he knew

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<v Speaker 1>the line always got a laugh to help muffle the sound.

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<v Speaker 1>After the killing, John Wilkes Booth leapt from the box

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<v Speaker 1>with Abraham Lincoln's bloody body and his shocked wife on

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<v Speaker 1>to the stage. It was a feat of athleticism that

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<v Speaker 1>had actually become something of a signature stunt for John

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<v Speaker 1>Wilkes when he was performing, and with the addiction of

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<v Speaker 1>a trained actor, he shouted out the phrase sick semper tyrannus,

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<v Speaker 1>thus always to tyrants. It's a line that's attributed most

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<v Speaker 1>often to Lucius Junius Brutus, or to his descendant Marcus

0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Junius Brutus, who took part in the assassination of Julius Caesar.

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<v Speaker 1>As I mentioned earlier, there's a Broadway theater still named

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<v Speaker 1>after Edwin Booth. I've seen a few shows there, actually,

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<v Speaker 1>next to normal the Glass Menagerie. More recently they put

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<v Speaker 1>up the Tony Award winning musical Kimberly Akimbo and the

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<v Speaker 1>crowd favorite John Proctor is the villain. But its history

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<v Speaker 1>goes back much further than that. The Booth Theater has

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<v Speaker 1>been around for more than one hundred years. It opened

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen thirteen, named for the famous Shakespearean actor who

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<v Speaker 1>had died twenty years earlier. The first show they ever

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<v Speaker 1>put up was an import from London called The Great Adventure.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never heard of it, and I'm guessing you haven't either,

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<v Speaker 1>but I did recognize the name of the second play

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<v Speaker 1>they ever produced at the Booth Theater. It's a three

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<v Speaker 1>act play by Tom Taylor that today isn't really known

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<v Speaker 1>for its merits. The next play they put up at

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<v Speaker 1>the Booth Theater in nineteen fifteen a revival of Our

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<v Speaker 1>American Cousin. You could spend a lovely afternoon in New

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<v Speaker 1>York shopping in Soho. The streets are dense with designer

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<v Speaker 1>clothing and jewelry stores, but even if you're not in

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<v Speaker 1>the market for four thousand dollars jackets, there are plenty

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<v Speaker 1>of options. Next Door to the Berbery on Spring Street

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<v Speaker 1>is a store called Costs, where you can get minimalist

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<v Speaker 1>fashion for well a slightly more reasonable price. But if

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<v Speaker 1>you happen to be in the neighborhood, the best fined

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<v Speaker 1>at Costs wouldn't be its corduroy barrel leg pants or

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<v Speaker 1>gallery tote bag with crock effect.

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<v Speaker 3>Leather.

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<v Speaker 1>No, the most interesting thing in the store isn't for

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<v Speaker 1>sale at all. If you go into the store and

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<v Speaker 1>turn left, you'll find a staircase leading down to the

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<v Speaker 1>menswear department. You'll have to keep walking past the racks

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<v Speaker 1>of funnel necked wool jackets and wool blend straight leg pants.

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<v Speaker 1>In the back near the register, there's well a well,

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<v Speaker 1>a circular brick well that looks extremely old and extremely

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<v Speaker 1>incommon GUIs among the Scandinavian style minimalism of cosses clean lines.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks extremely old because it is the now sealed well.

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<v Speaker 1>At one hundred and twenty nine Spring Street is what's

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<v Speaker 1>left of the Manhattan Well, the site of a grizzly

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<v Speaker 1>and tragic death On January twod in eighteen hundred, the

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<v Speaker 1>body of a young woman named Elma Sands was found

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<v Speaker 1>inside the well, igniting a media firestorm. It would become

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<v Speaker 1>one of the earliest murder trials in the still new

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<v Speaker 1>United States. You might not know the name Elma Sands,

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<v Speaker 1>but here's the name. I'm betting you do know Hamilton,

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<v Speaker 1>even if you're not a musical theater nerd to the

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<v Speaker 1>degree that I am. Unless you've been living under a

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<v Speaker 1>rock or down in a well. You know the ten

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<v Speaker 1>dollars Founding Father, whom Lynn Manuel Miranda set to wrap

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<v Speaker 1>on Broadway back in twenty fifteen. There's a song right

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<v Speaker 1>before the second act where Hamilton sings during his tenure

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<v Speaker 1>as a lawyer. He's addressing an invisible jury with pomp

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<v Speaker 1>and bravado quote this is the first murder trial of

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<v Speaker 1>our brand new nation, and continues on a bit before

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<v Speaker 1>he's interrupted by his co counsul Aaron Burr, stepping in

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<v Speaker 1>with a little less bravado, declaring our client, Levy Weeks,

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<v Speaker 1>is innocent. Those lines are referencing something that did actually happen.

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<v Speaker 1>Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton, future assassin and victim, did

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<v Speaker 1>work together in eighteen hundred on the legal defense of

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<v Speaker 1>Levy Weeks. It wasn't actually the first murder trial in

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<v Speaker 1>the new United States, but it is the first one

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<v Speaker 1>we have full transcripts of so close enough. Julielma Sands,

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<v Speaker 1>known as Elma, lived at a boarding house in Manhattan

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<v Speaker 1>owned by a relative, Catherine Ring and her husband. Now

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<v Speaker 1>when I say Manhattan, that word probably connotes some degree

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<v Speaker 1>of glamour or big city bustle in your mind. You're

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<v Speaker 1>going to want to put that aside.

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<v Speaker 4>We need to go back to the year seventeen ninety nine.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, New York City is certainly not developed in

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<v Speaker 4>any way, shape or form. We don't really even have

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<v Speaker 4>like the old famous grid plan of avenues and streets.

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<v Speaker 4>Most of New York was below today's Canal Street. So

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<v Speaker 4>this is right just slightly above Canal Street, so completely undeveloped.

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<v Speaker 4>It would be small shacks again, like a boarding house.

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<v Speaker 1>On December twenty second, seventeen ninety nine, Elma went missing

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<v Speaker 1>for almost two weeks. Nobody had any idea where she

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<v Speaker 1>could be if she was even alive, And then her

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<v Speaker 1>muff handwarmer was found in the well in the wildland

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<v Speaker 1>known as Lispenard's Meadow. Soho wasn't so Ho. Then There

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:19.280
<v Speaker 1>were no designer stores or cute, overpriced coffee shops. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a green space where hunting parties could occupy themselves

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<v Speaker 1>and where a well stood to provide fresh water to

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<v Speaker 1>the local area.

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<v Speaker 4>This is an era before New York had a water system.

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<v Speaker 4>In fact, it's a very fraught time between now and

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<v Speaker 4>the eighteen forties, when we finally get this proper Croton

0:28:42.000 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 4>aqueduct which brings in clean, clear water. So we didn't

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<v Speaker 4>have that. You got your water from wells, and you

0:28:48.640 --> 0:28:51.800
<v Speaker 4>got them from cisterns, and so what happened is these

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<v Speaker 4>sort of community wells became the center of activity because

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<v Speaker 4>it's where everyone's going.

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<v Speaker 1>But on January tewod they weren't pulling water up from

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<v Speaker 1>the well. Half a dozen men strained with a net

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<v Speaker 1>to pull the body of a dead woman up from

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<v Speaker 1>the depths below. There she was dark, hair strewn across

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<v Speaker 1>her face, her pale skin, bruised and waxy. It was

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<v Speaker 1>Alma Sands, and she was long dead. Eventually word spread

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<v Speaker 1>and the constables heard the name Levy Weeks. Weeks was

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<v Speaker 1>another border at the house where Alma lived. People said

0:29:35.440 --> 0:29:40.080
<v Speaker 1>the two were romantically involved. There were rumors of a

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:45.600
<v Speaker 1>secret engagement. If anyone had murdered Alma Sands, and according

0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:49.200
<v Speaker 1>to the verdict of the city coroner who examined her body,

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>someone almost certainly had. It seemed likely it would have

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<v Speaker 1>been Weeks. The public outcry came fast and intense. A beautiful,

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<v Speaker 1>a young woman only twenty two years old, was found

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<v Speaker 1>dead in the wintery, cold water of a well, how

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<v Speaker 1>could the city not fall into frenzy? Fortunately for Levy,

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<v Speaker 1>Weeks arrested and awaiting trial in Bridewell Jail. He had

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<v Speaker 1>a powerful brother, Ezra.

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<v Speaker 4>So Ezra Weeks is one of New York's great builders,

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<v Speaker 4>a very well connected man. In fact, he helped build

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<v Speaker 4>Gracie Mansion back when that was an actual mansion, which

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<v Speaker 4>today is the Mayor's House, but it was a mansion

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<v Speaker 4>up on the Upper east Side. He also assisted in

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<v Speaker 4>the construction later well not to spoil it, of Hamilton Grange,

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<v Speaker 4>which is the house of Alexander Hamilton.

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<v Speaker 1>Ezra Weeks had also worked with Aaron Burr through Burr's

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<v Speaker 1>association with something called the Manhattan Company. The Manhattan Company

0:30:55.000 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>was really a tool for funding political candidates, but it

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<v Speaker 1>ostensibly had the goal of establishing water infrastructure throughout the city.

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:08.640
<v Speaker 1>Ezra worked on laying wooden pipes to carry fresh water

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<v Speaker 1>from wells doug in Lisbonard's Meadow, including incidentally, the Manhattan

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<v Speaker 1>well where Alma Sands was found.

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<v Speaker 3>So very well connected, a very wealthy man.

0:31:21.960 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 4>His brother gets accused of murder, so what does he do?

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:31.160
<v Speaker 1>He made sure to get his brother the best legal

0:31:31.240 --> 0:31:35.880
<v Speaker 1>minds in the City, Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton, the

0:31:36.000 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 1>dream team.

0:31:37.320 --> 0:31:40.360
<v Speaker 3>Of course, as we know it will end in the infamous.

0:31:39.960 --> 0:31:44.200
<v Speaker 4>Duel of eighteen oh four where Burr murders Alexander Hamilton,

0:31:44.480 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 4>But at this time they're just like kind of frenemies,

0:31:47.000 --> 0:31:49.640
<v Speaker 4>and they also just happened to both be very well

0:31:49.680 --> 0:31:50.760
<v Speaker 4>respected lawyers.

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<v Speaker 1>There was also a third lawyer working on the case,

0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>h Brockholst Livingstone, who was known as a top lawyer,

0:32:00.320 --> 0:32:04.160
<v Speaker 1>but who unfortunately wasn't famous or relevant enough to make

0:32:04.240 --> 0:32:08.360
<v Speaker 1>it into the musical Hamilton. Maybe it was hard to

0:32:08.440 --> 0:32:13.360
<v Speaker 1>find a rhyme with h. Brockholst Livingstone. The trio of

0:32:13.480 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 1>lawyers got weeks out on bail and started working on

0:32:17.040 --> 0:32:22.640
<v Speaker 1>his defense. Course during the trial, they methodically dismantled every

0:32:22.800 --> 0:32:26.560
<v Speaker 1>seemingly damning piece of evidence against their client. He had

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.440
<v Speaker 1>an alibi that would have made actually pulling off the

0:32:29.520 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 1>murder incredibly difficult. There was no evidence he and Alma

0:32:34.040 --> 0:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>actually were secret lovers. Maybe she was really involved in

0:32:38.880 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 1>an affair with her relative's husband, her landlord, mister Ring.

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:47.560
<v Speaker 1>As a side note, there were plenty of the challenges

0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to Alma's character that you might expect that a young,

0:32:51.680 --> 0:32:54.520
<v Speaker 1>unmarried woman might have been involved in the sort of

0:32:54.880 --> 0:33:01.360
<v Speaker 1>salacious sexual activity that turns public sentiment against you. People

0:33:01.440 --> 0:33:05.880
<v Speaker 1>speculated Alma might have been suicidal. She could have taken

0:33:05.920 --> 0:33:11.080
<v Speaker 1>her own life. There was one other fairly damning piece

0:33:11.120 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 1>of evidence against Levy Weeks. Immediately after Alma's body had

0:33:16.240 --> 0:33:19.760
<v Speaker 1>been pulled from the water, the police went to arrest him.

0:33:20.280 --> 0:33:24.080
<v Speaker 1>He worked as a carpenter, and when the constable approached

0:33:24.160 --> 0:33:28.200
<v Speaker 1>him in his workshop, Weeks immediately knew they had come

0:33:28.480 --> 0:33:32.479
<v Speaker 1>because of Alma Sands. Is it the Manhattan well she

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>was found in? He asked? It was. How could he

0:33:37.240 --> 0:33:40.120
<v Speaker 1>possibly have known that if he hadn't been the one

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>to kill her and deposit her body there. Turns out

0:33:44.720 --> 0:33:49.920
<v Speaker 1>there was a perfectly reasonable explanation. A neighbor testified that

0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:52.880
<v Speaker 1>she had run in two weeks at the grocery store

0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>early in the afternoon on January twod and shared with

0:33:57.080 --> 0:34:00.480
<v Speaker 1>him that apparently they had found Alma's muff in a

0:34:00.560 --> 0:34:06.120
<v Speaker 1>well near Bayard's Lane. He told his brother, Ezra, who said, oh,

0:34:06.200 --> 0:34:09.879
<v Speaker 1>it was probably the Manhattan well. After all, Ezra had

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:13.120
<v Speaker 1>been working on the water project, and so when the

0:34:13.120 --> 0:34:17.319
<v Speaker 1>police told Levy that they had found Elma's body. He

0:34:17.480 --> 0:34:20.879
<v Speaker 1>was just making a reasonable guess as to where that

0:34:21.000 --> 0:34:28.640
<v Speaker 1>probably was. Still, public opinion was vehemently against Weeks. Newspapers

0:34:28.719 --> 0:34:32.960
<v Speaker 1>were calling for his execution. A beautiful young woman was

0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 1>found dead, her body pulled from a well. Somebody's head

0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:41.320
<v Speaker 1>needed to roll. If you've learned anything from watching true

0:34:41.400 --> 0:34:46.400
<v Speaker 1>crime documentaries on various streaming services, you know it's always

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:51.680
<v Speaker 1>the husband or in this case, the maybe possibly secret fiancee.

0:34:52.760 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 1>But Alexander Hamilton, Aaron Burr and the third guy who

0:34:57.239 --> 0:35:01.839
<v Speaker 1>doesn't factor into the musical were excellent lawyers, and when

0:35:01.880 --> 0:35:06.040
<v Speaker 1>the judge sent the jury off to deliberate, the judge

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:11.680
<v Speaker 1>made a frankly astonishing declaration informing the jurors that, in

0:35:11.760 --> 0:35:16.200
<v Speaker 1>the opinion of the court quote, the proof was insufficient

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:21.040
<v Speaker 1>to warrant a verdict against the prisoner. Maybe that's why

0:35:21.120 --> 0:35:24.759
<v Speaker 1>it's not surprising to hear that the verdict came back

0:35:25.200 --> 0:35:31.920
<v Speaker 1>less than five minutes later, the jury declared Weeks not guilty.

0:35:33.760 --> 0:35:38.000
<v Speaker 1>Even still, the sting of public opinion and the damage

0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:42.160
<v Speaker 1>to his reputation made it difficult for Weeks to remain

0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>in New York. He left the city a few years

0:35:45.640 --> 0:35:50.799
<v Speaker 1>later and settled in Natchez, the capital of the Mississippi Territory,

0:35:51.239 --> 0:35:54.400
<v Speaker 1>where he was able to reinvent himself and begin a

0:35:54.440 --> 0:35:59.280
<v Speaker 1>new life as a very successful architect, building a mansion

0:35:59.400 --> 0:36:03.719
<v Speaker 1>that's now on the National Registry of Historic Places, and

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>getting married and having four kids. We don't know how

0:36:08.560 --> 0:36:14.239
<v Speaker 1>Alma Sans died. We likely never will. One researcher and

0:36:14.280 --> 0:36:18.040
<v Speaker 1>writer Paul Collins has put forward the theory that a

0:36:18.120 --> 0:36:23.200
<v Speaker 1>man named Richard Croucher was actually to blame. Croucher was

0:36:23.280 --> 0:36:27.640
<v Speaker 1>another resident at the boarding house where Weeks and Elma lived,

0:36:28.120 --> 0:36:32.200
<v Speaker 1>and in the aftermath of Alma's disappearance, he had been

0:36:32.239 --> 0:36:36.919
<v Speaker 1>one of the loudest voices against Weeks. As it turns out,

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:42.360
<v Speaker 1>Croucher had a pretty flimsy alibi and a notorious history

0:36:42.480 --> 0:36:47.080
<v Speaker 1>of legal trouble and erratic violence, especially when he was drinking.

0:36:47.920 --> 0:36:52.840
<v Speaker 1>Just three weeks after the Manhattan Well trial, Croucher would

0:36:52.960 --> 0:36:57.839
<v Speaker 1>brutally rape his thirteen year old stepdaughter. He was eventually

0:36:57.920 --> 0:37:02.359
<v Speaker 1>convicted and sentenced to hard labor, though he would get

0:37:02.400 --> 0:37:06.280
<v Speaker 1>out after only three years on a pardon from the governor,

0:37:07.000 --> 0:37:10.600
<v Speaker 1>but more crimes were to follow. He would break the

0:37:10.680 --> 0:37:14.360
<v Speaker 1>terms of his parole and eventually be convicted of a

0:37:14.400 --> 0:37:18.200
<v Speaker 1>crime that led to his hanging. All of this evidence

0:37:18.280 --> 0:37:23.880
<v Speaker 1>is circumstantial, but it's pretty convincing circumstances in my personal opinion.

0:37:24.920 --> 0:37:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Over the decades, Manhattan changed. Lis Bnard's meadow gave way

0:37:29.239 --> 0:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>to gritted streets and blocks with restaurants and artisanal coffee shops.

0:37:34.239 --> 0:37:37.000
<v Speaker 4>That's the thing about Soho in particular, it's always been

0:37:37.040 --> 0:37:41.279
<v Speaker 4>associated with modernity. All the buildings are cast iron. You know,

0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.719
<v Speaker 4>in the seventies and eighties and nineties it was super chic,

0:37:43.800 --> 0:37:45.200
<v Speaker 4>and today it's all boutiques.

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:50.960
<v Speaker 1>But somehow the walls of the Manhattan Well remained upright

0:37:51.440 --> 0:37:56.879
<v Speaker 1>preserved in Soho, even as the city around it became unrecognizable.

0:37:57.640 --> 0:38:01.120
<v Speaker 4>Since the nineteen seventies that people who owned that building

0:38:01.560 --> 0:38:05.880
<v Speaker 4>have associated their will and their address with this particular story,

0:38:06.520 --> 0:38:10.320
<v Speaker 4>by which I mean they claim that it is haunted,

0:38:10.520 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 4>and they claim that this building has been haunted for

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:17.560
<v Speaker 4>decades and decades. And so it makes for a great

0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:21.000
<v Speaker 4>spooky time in a clothing store because we rarely get

0:38:21.040 --> 0:38:25.319
<v Speaker 4>to see architecture, like most people don't see wells, But

0:38:25.400 --> 0:38:28.920
<v Speaker 4>to see something so old in a clothing store is

0:38:28.960 --> 0:38:29.879
<v Speaker 4>really fascinating.

0:38:30.719 --> 0:38:34.640
<v Speaker 1>All of the parties involved in the notorious trial are

0:38:34.760 --> 0:38:38.759
<v Speaker 1>long dead, and the truth is gone, known only to

0:38:38.840 --> 0:38:42.920
<v Speaker 1>the ancient bricks of the Manhattan Well, still standing in

0:38:42.960 --> 0:38:47.040
<v Speaker 1>the basement of a clothing store in Soho, where shoppers

0:38:47.160 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 1>can browse wrecks of trousers and jackets without knowing the tragic,

0:38:53.239 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>dramatic history that had once unfolded right where they're standing

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:02.400
<v Speaker 1>wondering what a stone well is doing in the middle

0:39:02.480 --> 0:39:09.920
<v Speaker 1>of a stow hoose store. New York City is full

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:14.520
<v Speaker 1>of hidden history, centuries of stories stacked up like the

0:39:14.560 --> 0:39:19.319
<v Speaker 1>floors of downtown skyscrapers. But Greg brought my attention to

0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.880
<v Speaker 1>another piece of New York City's past. I didn't know

0:39:22.960 --> 0:39:28.799
<v Speaker 1>about history. That's quite literally underfoot if you know where

0:39:28.840 --> 0:39:29.440
<v Speaker 1>to look.

0:39:30.280 --> 0:39:33.640
<v Speaker 4>All right, So head down to Lower Manhattan and to

0:39:34.160 --> 0:39:37.920
<v Speaker 4>Pearl Street. So this is the Financial district. It's like

0:39:37.960 --> 0:39:42.520
<v Speaker 4>the oldest district. In fact, across the street is another

0:39:42.760 --> 0:39:46.600
<v Speaker 4>very famous tavern named France's Tavern, which was a landmark

0:39:46.640 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 4>to the Revolutionary War. Like George Washington from this tavern

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.399
<v Speaker 4>gave his farewell address.

0:39:52.840 --> 0:39:55.080
<v Speaker 1>I've actually eaten there, not bad.

0:39:55.800 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 4>However, across the street are the remains of tavern that

0:40:00.920 --> 0:40:05.359
<v Speaker 4>is almost one hundred years older than that. So back

0:40:05.400 --> 0:40:08.839
<v Speaker 4>in the sixteen sixties, back when New York was in

0:40:08.840 --> 0:40:12.680
<v Speaker 4>fact a Dutch settlement called New Amsterdam, their city hall

0:40:13.040 --> 0:40:15.719
<v Speaker 4>was actually a tavern because back then there weren't that

0:40:15.760 --> 0:40:18.680
<v Speaker 4>many buildings. You needed a place where people could gather

0:40:18.800 --> 0:40:21.839
<v Speaker 4>and it was kind of sizable, so naturally it was

0:40:21.920 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 4>a tavern. So that lasted then into of course, the

0:40:26.040 --> 0:40:28.840
<v Speaker 4>handover from the Dutch to the English, and it was

0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:32.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, it was a British stronghold for forever. And

0:40:33.000 --> 0:40:36.600
<v Speaker 4>then the New York governor, a man named Lovelace, decided

0:40:36.640 --> 0:40:39.840
<v Speaker 4>to expand it because it was getting a little rickety

0:40:39.880 --> 0:40:42.440
<v Speaker 4>by that time, it's already a couple decades old. He

0:40:42.520 --> 0:40:46.160
<v Speaker 4>built what is called today the Lovelace Tavern right next

0:40:46.160 --> 0:40:48.520
<v Speaker 4>to it, and they were connected. These were the official

0:40:48.560 --> 0:40:51.600
<v Speaker 4>city buildings, but they were taverns. They were in fact

0:40:52.440 --> 0:40:55.000
<v Speaker 4>places where you drank and you know, you had a meal.

0:40:55.040 --> 0:40:57.600
<v Speaker 4>But it was also a place where you conducted business.

0:40:57.680 --> 0:40:59.719
<v Speaker 4>I believe that there was even like a jail, and

0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.560
<v Speaker 4>they were courts were inside of this building.

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.400
<v Speaker 1>It actually sounds like we could learn a lot about

0:41:06.440 --> 0:41:10.680
<v Speaker 1>efficiency in architecture, A real one stop shop.

0:41:11.600 --> 0:41:16.080
<v Speaker 4>So anyway, lasted for several decades and its own right.

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 4>But then what's interesting about New York in general is

0:41:19.760 --> 0:41:23.799
<v Speaker 4>it gets constantly built up right and never stops to

0:41:24.640 --> 0:41:27.520
<v Speaker 4>kind of honor its past. When you find the pass

0:41:27.640 --> 0:41:30.720
<v Speaker 4>is even more amazing because so many things are gone.

0:41:31.080 --> 0:41:35.480
<v Speaker 4>But what the city also starts expanding with landfill. So

0:41:35.840 --> 0:41:38.120
<v Speaker 4>this used to be on the water. This faced in

0:41:38.200 --> 0:41:41.279
<v Speaker 4>fact into the water onto the East River, but then

0:41:41.719 --> 0:41:44.120
<v Speaker 4>several decades later they fill it up with landfill, so

0:41:44.160 --> 0:41:46.960
<v Speaker 4>it's actually like a couple blocks away from the water,

0:41:47.480 --> 0:41:50.280
<v Speaker 4>and the building is sort of useless by the start

0:41:50.320 --> 0:41:53.840
<v Speaker 4>of the eighteenth century, and so it kind of falls

0:41:53.960 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 4>into uselessness and then they go to pave it over

0:41:58.120 --> 0:42:01.319
<v Speaker 4>because the streets are like kind of rising as more

0:42:01.320 --> 0:42:02.840
<v Speaker 4>and more people are coming to the city.

0:42:03.239 --> 0:42:08.280
<v Speaker 1>So now jump ahead to the nineteen sixties. Businesses aren't

0:42:08.360 --> 0:42:12.919
<v Speaker 1>exactly booming. A lot of offices have jumped away from

0:42:12.960 --> 0:42:17.200
<v Speaker 1>the financial district, moving to Midtown or even leaving New

0:42:17.280 --> 0:42:18.520
<v Speaker 1>York City altogether.

0:42:19.360 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 4>But there's this effort to try to revitalize Lower Manhattan.

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.960
<v Speaker 4>This will culminate, of course in the construction of the

0:42:25.960 --> 0:42:31.080
<v Speaker 4>World Trade Center, which will bring business back to Lower Manhattan.

0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:32.240
<v Speaker 3>But sort of in.

0:42:32.120 --> 0:42:38.240
<v Speaker 4>This process they're like redeveloping for new glass skyscrapers.

0:42:38.360 --> 0:42:42.400
<v Speaker 1>New building projects, mean there's going to be digging a

0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:43.000
<v Speaker 1>lot of it.

0:42:43.960 --> 0:42:47.960
<v Speaker 4>And then while they're digging this one particular skyscraper, they

0:42:48.040 --> 0:42:52.040
<v Speaker 4>look and they find the ruins of this tavern kind

0:42:52.080 --> 0:42:56.560
<v Speaker 4>of intact, with like tankards, plates, broken plates and everything.

0:42:57.360 --> 0:43:00.360
<v Speaker 1>The question then is what do you do with the

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:06.719
<v Speaker 1>shockingly preserved historical tavern. The easy answer is, well, pave

0:43:06.800 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 1>over it and make a parking lot, And unfortunately that's

0:43:11.040 --> 0:43:15.200
<v Speaker 1>exactly what they did. But that's not the end of

0:43:15.239 --> 0:43:19.279
<v Speaker 1>the story, because if you know Manhattan, you know that

0:43:19.400 --> 0:43:25.120
<v Speaker 1>it's always changing. A meadow becomes a neighborhood, becomes a restaurant,

0:43:25.239 --> 0:43:30.360
<v Speaker 1>becomes a clothing store, a parking lot becomes well, something else.

0:43:31.239 --> 0:43:35.719
<v Speaker 4>A few years later they're building something else, they rediscover it,

0:43:35.840 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 4>or rather they knew that it was there. They pull

0:43:37.680 --> 0:43:42.759
<v Speaker 4>that out and they're like, oh, let's actually preserve this.

0:43:43.400 --> 0:43:45.359
<v Speaker 4>And this is in the seventies now, and so what

0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:48.879
<v Speaker 4>they do, which is amazing, instead of taking the whole

0:43:48.920 --> 0:43:52.319
<v Speaker 4>thing out or like bringing the sidewalk down so that

0:43:52.360 --> 0:43:55.200
<v Speaker 4>people could see the walls. In fact, by that point

0:43:55.239 --> 0:43:57.840
<v Speaker 4>the street level is about at the top of the building,

0:43:58.120 --> 0:44:01.799
<v Speaker 4>so they just put a glass sidewalk over the remains

0:44:01.880 --> 0:44:03.440
<v Speaker 4>of this tavern.

0:44:03.600 --> 0:44:07.840
<v Speaker 1>An actual glass sidewalk. You can go see it. The

0:44:08.040 --> 0:44:12.120
<v Speaker 1>quote portal down to Old New York as it's identified

0:44:12.239 --> 0:44:16.920
<v Speaker 1>on Google Maps around eighty five Broad Street. A literal

0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:19.600
<v Speaker 1>window into the seventeenth century.

0:44:20.520 --> 0:44:21.760
<v Speaker 3>That's a really cool secret.

0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:24.400
<v Speaker 4>When you say things are literally hidden beneath your feet,

0:44:24.440 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 4>this is the most literal answer I could possibly give you.

0:44:27.560 --> 0:44:32.320
<v Speaker 3>Is this place? Okay?

0:44:32.520 --> 0:44:34.960
<v Speaker 2>First of all, how cool is it that Greg Young

0:44:35.040 --> 0:44:37.200
<v Speaker 2>of the Bowery Boys agreed to do this? That's a

0:44:37.239 --> 0:44:40.000
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame podcast. If there's a podcast hall of Fame,

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if there is, but there should be.

0:44:41.840 --> 0:44:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Total egg should be in it first ballot.

0:44:44.280 --> 0:44:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so grateful to Greg. Was so sweet of

0:44:47.480 --> 0:44:50.280
<v Speaker 1>him to spend his time talking with me. So interesting,

0:44:50.360 --> 0:44:51.279
<v Speaker 1>so smart.

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:52.000
<v Speaker 3>Saren you know?

0:44:52.040 --> 0:44:54.359
<v Speaker 2>This is a non typical one. This would be hard

0:44:54.440 --> 0:44:56.600
<v Speaker 2>to get all this into one film. But did you

0:44:56.640 --> 0:44:58.879
<v Speaker 2>have any fun putting on your casting hat here?

0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:02.600
<v Speaker 5>Actually? I this was an interesting one. You have like

0:45:02.719 --> 0:45:05.480
<v Speaker 5>two actors to cast. And then also I threw in

0:45:05.520 --> 0:45:08.400
<v Speaker 5>Shakespeare just because he got mentioned so often. So for

0:45:08.520 --> 0:45:10.920
<v Speaker 5>Marilyn I went a couple of different ways because she's

0:45:10.920 --> 0:45:12.880
<v Speaker 5>been portrayed recently on the screen and I was like,

0:45:13.040 --> 0:45:14.920
<v Speaker 5>I want to know, come up with someone fresh. So

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:18.239
<v Speaker 5>I went with Leah se Do, the French actress. I

0:45:18.280 --> 0:45:20.399
<v Speaker 5>thought she would be really interesting. And then if if

0:45:20.400 --> 0:45:22.839
<v Speaker 5>she's unavailable, Florence Pugh, I thought she could also play

0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 5>it pretty well. For Joe DiMaggio, I thought he may

0:45:25.719 --> 0:45:27.359
<v Speaker 5>be a little bit tall, but I think he's got

0:45:27.360 --> 0:45:28.720
<v Speaker 5>the right like, you know energy.

0:45:28.880 --> 0:45:32.160
<v Speaker 3>Is Adrian Brodie, Yes, he has the right energy.

0:45:32.239 --> 0:45:34.480
<v Speaker 1>Maybe not for physique, but I think he could do.

0:45:34.480 --> 0:45:37.759
<v Speaker 5>It, yes, exactly, and he's like lean enough. I think

0:45:37.760 --> 0:45:40.640
<v Speaker 5>he can get it. And then John Wilkes Booth this

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:43.480
<v Speaker 5>was another difficult one. One of the actors I liked

0:45:43.520 --> 0:45:45.640
<v Speaker 5>was too tall, and then the other one like, I

0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:47.920
<v Speaker 5>think he may be two associated with other things, but

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<v Speaker 5>if he wears his brown hair and you know, works

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<v Speaker 5>on like a Van Dyke or some type of like

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<v Speaker 5>nineteenth century appropriate facial hair, I think it could work.

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<v Speaker 5>So Adam Driver and Orlando Bloom those are my two

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<v Speaker 5>options ooh right, yeah, especially Orlando Blooms a surprise one

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<v Speaker 5>for me. And then Adam Drivers is a little bit big,

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<v Speaker 5>but I think he's got the like aggressiveness that I

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<v Speaker 5>kind of picture from the ego of John Wilkes Booth.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I'm reading Lena Dunham's memoir right now, and

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<v Speaker 1>everything I'm learning about a Driver is he is definitely

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<v Speaker 1>an actor's actor, so I think he could have that

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<v Speaker 1>energy totally.

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<v Speaker 2>He went to Juilliard, right, he's like a real actor.

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<v Speaker 5>Properly trained. Oh and for the last one, William Shakespeare.

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<v Speaker 5>I thought this because I was like imagining the images

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<v Speaker 5>of a lot of like the very famous paintings Edward Norton.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's get him a statue, right, Totally.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the part where it was kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>two fur It was not only history hiding in plain

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<v Speaker 2>sight in the Soho store, but also in Hamilton. This

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<v Speaker 2>is like this particulous historical play also has this tossed

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<v Speaker 2>off line that you used as a jumping off point.

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<v Speaker 1>So kudos to you, you know, kudos to in Manuel Miranda.

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<v Speaker 5>All the musical theater references, so much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>That's really the truth is that I got to New

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<v Speaker 1>York City to squeeze in as many musicals as I can.

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<v Speaker 2>M that's cool for very special character. I think we

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<v Speaker 2>could easily give it to Greg for agreeing to do this.

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<v Speaker 2>We could also easily give it to the iHeart Accounts

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<v Speaker 2>payable team for approving the travel expenses and hopefully approving

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<v Speaker 2>them in the futures. Saren, can we get you to

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<v Speaker 2>give this treatment to another city of your choice? Oh?

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I think San Francisco actually know a couple already,

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<v Speaker 5>fun like hidden history sites. People walk past them all

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<v Speaker 5>the time. They're on Market Street, Union Square, and they

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<v Speaker 5>are connected to the San Francisco of the mind in

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<v Speaker 5>terms of like what we think of as being San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 5>But also it's like, oh, this place has always been

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<v Speaker 5>kind of counterculture. So yes, definitely.

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