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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another edition of the Friday Golf Podcast.

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Speaker 2: I am your host, Andy Johnson, and today I have

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Speaker 2: a podcast for you. It is about Jordan Speith. As

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Speaker 2: as Joseph Lamania, and we're going to talk in detail

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Speaker 2: our pod with Kyle Porter and Joseph Lamana. All Right,

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Speaker 2: today's topic. I am joined by Kyle Porter and Joseph Lamonia.

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Speaker 2: Today's topic is none other than Jordan Speith, the Golden Boy,

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Speaker 2: who may have lost a little bit of his shine

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Speaker 2: What do they turn does he turn into the Golden Man.

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Speaker 1: I gotta jump in. Is it? Is it the Is

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Speaker 2: Which is well gold boy. I don't know where a

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Speaker 2: This is one of the more wild career arcs we've

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I don't think he's talked about

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Speaker 2: com slash egg. That's tru golf dot com slash egg.

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Speaker 2: So I think this is a good time and to

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Speaker 2: kind of run through the timeline of his career. When

437
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Speaker 2: was the first time you guys heard about Jordan Spieth, Kyle?

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Speaker 4: I mean mine was whenever he made his first what

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Speaker 4: was the first professional start that he made as an amateur?

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Speaker 4: The Byron Nelson. The Byron Nelson. Yeah, that's I believe

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Speaker 4: that's when I heard about him for the first time.

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Speaker 2: He was he was tied for seventh after the third

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Speaker 2: round in that finished sixteenth, what about you, Kyle.

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Speaker 1: Which I think was his best finish at the Byron Nelson.

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Speaker 1: I think it might still be his best finish at

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Speaker 1: the Baron Nelson.

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Speaker 2: Sixteen now that he's at Craig Ranch. Now is that

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Speaker 2: Craig Ranch as a speech stopper?

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Speaker 1: That was my That was my first time also because

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Speaker 1: I had just moved to Dallas. I moved to Dallas

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Speaker 1: in twenty ten. So when was what year.

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Speaker 2: Was that I would have been twenty ten.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah, it was like a big thing here.

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Speaker 2: Maybe that's that's why he blew up. Was because you

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Speaker 2: moved to the area.

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Speaker 1: For sure, I was I would not be in golf

457
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Speaker 1: for another two years. But it was definitely that was

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Speaker 1: definitely the reason.

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Speaker 2: All Right, let's provide like a little bit of context

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Speaker 2: of his just I I kind of like forgot when

461
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Speaker 2: I started to do this, like just running through the timeline,

462
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Speaker 2: just how insane the early career was. And I know

463
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Speaker 2: how insane it was, but when you like dig into it,

464
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 2: you're just like, this is nuts. So he won the

465
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Speaker 2: US Junior twice. He's the only player to do that

466
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Speaker 2: to win multiple US Juniors other than Tiger who obviously

467
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Speaker 2: won three times. He was number one of the AGGA

468
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Speaker 2: rankings as a junior, so prolific junior golfer, like we

469
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Speaker 2: talked about. Played in the Byron Nelson in twenty ten,

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Speaker 2: finished sixteenth. Then he also made the cut again in

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Speaker 2: twenty eleven, So when he was sixteen seventeen, he's making

472
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Speaker 2: PGA Tour cuts, finished thirty second. He went to Texas.

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Speaker 2: He played one one year at Texas and he played

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Speaker 2: on that twenty eleven Walker Cup team. So as a

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Speaker 2: freshman at Texas, he won three events. He had the

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Speaker 2: low scoring average as a freshman, the team won the

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Speaker 2: national championship. He was All Big Twelve, Big Twelve, Freshman

478
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Speaker 2: of the Year, Player of the Year, and first team

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Speaker 2: All American twenty twelve. So he's still a freshman. He's

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Speaker 2: the low am at the US Open. I mean, he's

481
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Speaker 2: just piling up like every consequential accomplishment that you can

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Speaker 2: have as an amateur. Then when Patrick Catley turned professional,

483
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Speaker 2: he became the number one amateur in the world in

484
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Speaker 2: the Wagger Amateur Golf rankings. So at this point he

485
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Speaker 2: decides to turn professional, and it was actually like, I think,

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Speaker 2: like this is I think one of the things with

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Speaker 2: modern golf now in PGA tour U and I think

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Speaker 2: this is one of the thing I don't. I think

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Speaker 2: it's good that kids are staying at school, but I

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Speaker 2: do think like Speith is actually an example of why

491
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Speaker 2: PGA tour you could be not great. He turned pro

492
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Speaker 2: after missing Q school and if he doesn't turn pro

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Speaker 2: until his senior year, do we miss the best speak

494
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Speaker 2: years of his career.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's I think it's interesting to think

496
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Speaker 1: about because he had that I think Sean Martin wrote

497
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Speaker 1: about this, but he had that decision on KFT or

498
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Speaker 1: should he go to the Puerto Rico event? Should he

499
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Speaker 1: stay playing KFT They were going to like Columbia or

500
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Speaker 1: somewhere like that. Yeah, And he goes to Puerto Rico

501
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Speaker 1: and finishes second and then goes on to get his

502
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Speaker 1: car to believe at Vos Bar and then wins John

503
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Speaker 1: Deere and it just accelerates this timeline. And I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, one of the things we get so excited

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Speaker 1: about in any sport, Andy is how how good are

506
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Speaker 1: you at a at the youngest age possible. Whether it's

507
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Speaker 1: basketball football, it's a little different because they have restrictions

508
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Speaker 1: on when you can enter the league or whatever. But

509
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Speaker 1: basketball base this is like a huge baseball thing, like

510
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Speaker 1: Juan Soto when he was sixteen or whatever. And and

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Speaker 1: so I do think, like I think net PG two

512
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Speaker 1: or you is like PG two, You is a is

513
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Speaker 1: a net win. But I do think it kind of

514
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Speaker 1: prohibits your like twenty your Tom Kim type from getting

515
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Speaker 1: out there and and figuring out like, Okay, this is

516
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Speaker 1: who they, this is who this guy could be as

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Speaker 1: a professional.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I think like you're taking a huge,

519
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Speaker 2: huge risk if you buy, like if you know you're

520
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Speaker 2: really good. It's like, okay, like this is a guaranteed

521
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Speaker 2: way for me to get a card. It is like

522
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Speaker 2: a it's a it's an interesting moment because, like, you know,

523
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Speaker 2: you see these guys like Ludvig. I always especially researching this.

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Speaker 2: You think about like Ludvig, who gets this card at

525
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Speaker 2: twenty three and he's been great. Think about what Jordan

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Speaker 2: Spieth had done before he turned twenty three? Oksha Okshay, Yeah,

527
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Speaker 2: ok Shay's you know, he would be a senior now,

528
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Speaker 2: but instead he's won twice on the PGA Tour and

529
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Speaker 2: probably right if you pick the Ryder Cups teams right now,

530
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Speaker 2: he's a fringe Ryder Cupper.

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Speaker 1: Right Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Like so it's just an interesting thing. So he doesn't

533
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Speaker 2: make it through Q school. We talked about this. He

534
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Speaker 2: falls at Craig Ranch, but he still turns pro and

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Speaker 2: it's midway through sophomore year at Texas he leaves, Uh,

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Speaker 2: he leaves the long Horns.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I can't wait until the speF documentary comes

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Speaker 1: out and we get ten minutes of Andy talking TPC

539
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Speaker 1: Craig Ranch and how it was like Spea's ultimate downfall.

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Speaker 1: That's going to be incredible.

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Speaker 2: He so he missed by three. He finished eight under,

542
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Speaker 2: tied for twenty six. Brooks, Brooks and him both finished

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Speaker 2: eight under. It's wild. I mean, like talk about like

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Speaker 2: a so so Brooks goes.

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Speaker 1: To Europe Challenge to your baby.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's how he he takes this and Speth goes,

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Speaker 2: I'm just gonna take sponsors exemptions because at this point,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he's the golden boy. Brooks wasn't going to

549
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Speaker 2: get sponsors exemptions, right, I think like it's a it's

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Speaker 2: actually like a fascinating Brooks speF like this this moment

551
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Speaker 2: in time, and like two completely different profile players and

552
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Speaker 2: now when you look at their major careers, their resumes,

553
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Speaker 2: it's like very similar. They got their completely roundabout ways.

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Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's a great story. There's a

555
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Speaker 2: PGA tour article that's that's you know, not super in depth,

556
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Speaker 2: but it's it's it's a thought provoking article just because

557
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Speaker 2: of where they are right now. So anyways, as Kyle illuminated,

558
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Speaker 2: he goes to Puerto Rico bellspar gets conditional status like

559
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Speaker 2: special temporary status, and then John Deere he wins the

560
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Speaker 2: playoff famous shot that hits the flag and goes in.

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Speaker 2: There's a sliding doors of like, what if that doesn't

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Speaker 2: go in.

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Speaker 1: It's kind of it kind of goes in the water.

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Speaker 1: I think it doesn't go.

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Speaker 2: It's just it's a very very is So then he

566
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Speaker 2: goes to the President's Cup and uh, and then you know,

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Speaker 2: you go into the next year and it's uh, it's

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Speaker 2: it's just this is where it starts to go, right.

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Speaker 2: He finished eleventh of the FedEx Cup after getting his

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Speaker 2: card with no status, which is which is wild, got

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Speaker 2: him into the Majors, and by the end of twenty

572
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Speaker 2: thirteen he goes from no status to the twenty second

573
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Speaker 2: ranked player in the world. I think, like when spieth

574
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Speaker 2: Mania like kind of starts to take off. It's it's

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Speaker 2: the It's the Masters twenty fourteen, he shares the fifty

576
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Speaker 2: four hole lead with Bubba Watson and finish his second

577
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Speaker 2: He's the youngest runner up in Master's history and he

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Speaker 2: and he's now into the top ten in the world

579
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Speaker 2: golf rankings. He's twenty twenty.

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Speaker 1: And that Saturday night, You're like, I think he's going

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Speaker 1: to win the Masters, Like that's how solidly he had

582
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Speaker 1: been playing. It wasn't It wasn't like oh this guy

583
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Speaker 1: like shot of third round sixty five and jumped to

584
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Speaker 1: It was like, I No, I think he's going to win.

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Speaker 2: And I think, well, the Masters in speek is is

586
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Speaker 2: at this time he is just the perfect Masters player

587
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Speaker 2: where enough distance to get over the hills, enough distance

588
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Speaker 2: to take advantage of the par five, really good iron player,

589
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Speaker 2: exceptional short game player, so you can, you can miss,

590
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Speaker 2: you can you can avoid taking on some risks and

591
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 2: know you can get up and down. And then at

592
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Speaker 2: this time, also he's a great, great putter.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say specifically he's always kind of had

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Speaker 4: short range putting issues, but unbelievable from outside of ten

595
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Speaker 4: feet where if you're hitting a lot of smart approach

596
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Speaker 4: shots to twenty five feet out of Gusta like he's

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Speaker 4: giving these pots a run over and over again. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I agree with you, Andy, pretty much the ideal Augusta player.

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Speaker 2: So you spoke about the short range putting issues that

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Speaker 2: was the issue at Craig Ranch when he missed Q school.

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Speaker 2: The quote is, so I remember hitting like sixty five

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Speaker 2: of seventy two greens. Maybe not the hardest thing to

603
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Speaker 2: do out there now that we've seen in a couple

604
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Speaker 2: of years on tour, and I just couldn't put it

605
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Speaker 2: in the ocean. And then I worked a lot on

606
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 2: my putting that off season, and then I started to

607
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: really make some and have good finishes in the next spring,

608
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Speaker 2: and it got me status and running on the PGA Tour.

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Speaker 2: Like something that I that just popped into my head

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Speaker 2: when I read that, is like, do we just get

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Speaker 2: like a super nova hot streak for three years on

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Speaker 2: the putting green?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I would say no, because what's bizarre about

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Speaker 4: Speef's putting is he's always been bad from short range,

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Speaker 4: even including during that stretch, he wasn't great. He's he's

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Speaker 4: one good year from three to five feet and that's

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Speaker 4: in twenty sixteen. Other than that, he's always been basically

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Speaker 4: outside the top one hundred. Where I think we get

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Speaker 4: a pretty hot putting streak is that fifteen to twenty

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Speaker 4: five foot range when he's making them five percent more

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Speaker 4: often than anybody else in the world. So, but he's

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Speaker 4: even been able to kind of maintain that over a

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Speaker 4: decent period of time. So I agree, yeah, to an

624
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Speaker 4: extent hot putting, but it's more just a weird dichotomy

625
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Speaker 4: between the short range putting and the long range putting.

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Speaker 4: It's really bizarre, and I don't think we've seen that

627
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Speaker 4: with any other player, at least in the last ten

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Speaker 4: to fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: I think that quote kind of and this goes back

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Speaker 2: to your point, Joseph, that quote kind of ties like

631
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Speaker 2: it gives you a little bit of a lens into

632
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Speaker 2: to speak, this is his really probably first failure as

633
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Speaker 2: a golfer. And if you look at that, then then

634
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: I worked a lot on my putting that offseason, So like,

635
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Speaker 2: is that what happens? Is like when he feels threatened,

636
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 2: he just goes to work on his weakness. And maybe

637
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Speaker 2: that's where the swing change stuff with the with the

638
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 2: iron play happened. Like the iron play slips and like

639
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: alarm bells off, I need to work on my iron.

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Speaker 1: Play, Yeah, I mean I want to know, Like I

641
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: am desperate to know more about the swing changes, the

642
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 1: iron play, all of that, because even I mean I

643
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Speaker 1: remember twenty fourteen, fifteen at the Masters, he led after

644
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Speaker 1: like seven of the eight rounds that were played something

645
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: like that, or maybe it was fifteen sixteen. I mean

646
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Speaker 1: he led after almost every round and it was because yeah,

647
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Speaker 1: he was the long range putting, but he was also

648
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 1: knocking down I mean he was like ripping at flagsticks

649
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 1: all over the place. Like his iron play was unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: His driving has always been like yeah, okay, like if

651
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: he gets if he gets hot, like it can be repeatable.

652
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: But I just I always, always, always go back to

653
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: the iron play. Some of this is just pushing back

654
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Speaker 1: against like this speek narrative of oh he made every

655
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:39,760
Speaker 1: thirty footer he looked at It's like, no, he didn't.

656
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 1: He was an amazing iron player and he made like

657
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 1: Joseph said, like he was really good from fifteen to

658
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: twenty five feet. But yeah, I just I constantly go

659
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: back to the iron play and wanting to know, like

660
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 1: why that's so different now than it was back in fourteen, fifteen,

661
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 1: sixteen seventeen.

662
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,839
Speaker 2: I think when you you have to think about like

663
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:04,080
Speaker 2: how everything interacts as with a player, I think like

664
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: that's like an important thing to think about, is like

665
00:39:06,840 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: how does every part of your game relate to the

666
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: other part of the game. And when you think about Spith,

667
00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: the little bit crooked driver was fine, and why it

668
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:24,960
Speaker 2: was fine was because of the short game, Like you

669
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: can afford to be a little bit crooked off the

670
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 2: tee if you're really great around the greens. We see

671
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,719
Speaker 2: this with like cam Smith is a great example of this,

672
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 2: where like you can afford to have a little bit

673
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,720
Speaker 2: of a crooked driver when you're a magician around the greens.

674
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Speaker 2: And Speith was that like the the key though to

675
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,160
Speaker 2: that and what cam Smith for example, has, and maybe

676
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,959
Speaker 2: maybe it's not as prolific as when he was maybe

677
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 2: the best player in the world, like what Spith had

678
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,439
Speaker 2: and cam Smith had magical short game, great iron play

679
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 2: and solid putting like couldn't get really hot and cam

680
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: I think that's a disservice one of the best putters

681
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:08,520
Speaker 2: in the world. But like you think about how those

682
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: those inner play, right, you can't be a crooked driver

683
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 2: and bad have a bad short game because that's going

684
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: to lead to like a lot of bogies. So that

685
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 2: iron play was fought, Like you know, you think about

686
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:26,240
Speaker 2: like the fabric of the player and that that whole

687
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: whole picture works. And I think, like what happens is

688
00:40:31,400 --> 00:40:34,919
Speaker 2: people get too maniacally focused on like fixing what's bad

689
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 2: and lose sight of like, Okay, how does everything relate

690
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 2: with me?

691
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: Well, and think about think about the places where cam

692
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Speaker 1: Smith and Speith have had a lot.

693
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Speaker 2: Of success, like USA Open Championships.

694
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, Chambers Bay.

695
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:52,200
Speaker 4: Chambers Bay. I was going to say, that was an

696
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 4: interesting one to see cam Smith right in the I

697
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 4: think he Cam Smith, Patrick Reid and Jordan's Speith are

698
00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 4: always going to kind of show up together.

699
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Speaker 1: Because those are places where you can hit, you can

700
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: miss and hit recovery shots that are either put you

701
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: in position to score or to say, you know, like,

702
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 1: I don't is speak ever gonna win a modern PGA.

703
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: I don't know, Like it doesn't seem like it, you know.

704
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,920
Speaker 1: I just think and we can get to that later on.

705
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: But I think it's interesting to look at what you're

706
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: talking about, Andy, which is like, how does your skill

707
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 1: set fit with not only how does it play, but

708
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Speaker 1: how does it fit together when you're playing some of

709
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 1: these major championships and big events. And there are certain

710
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,600
Speaker 1: courses that it fits together way better than some other courses.

711
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 2: I mean, like you, for example, if you compare him

712
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 2: to Jason Day that at this peak time when Jason

713
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: Days and him are the two best players in the world.

714
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:55,279
Speaker 2: Jason Day is a great driver of the golf ball,

715
00:41:55,480 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 2: great around the greens, great putter, pretty mediocre iron player. Yeah,

716
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 2: but like you think about, like how does that relate? Right, Well,

717
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 2: he puts himself into position where he's going to hit

718
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,840
Speaker 2: enough approaches that he's going to hit good ones that

719
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: generate birdies. But is is iron play his forte No

720
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: Speeth meanwhile, is the complete opposite, where he's not going

721
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 2: to put himself in as many great positions to approach

722
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: the green as Day, but he's going to convert on more.

723
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Speaker 1: Right.

724
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Speaker 2: It's just like a fascinating thing. And Day's short game

725
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 2: bails out mediocre approach play base short Day's short game

726
00:42:31,120 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 2: and putting. Like when you start like that's I think

727
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 2: like what gets missed sometimes with like the really data

728
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 2: driven analysis is sometimes you miss like how these things

729
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:44,239
Speaker 2: like it just becomes like, look at how bad this

730
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,839
Speaker 2: person is at this. It's like, well, like all these

731
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: other things work together to to mask that, right.

732
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Speaker 4: I think, especially zeroing in on the relationship between approach

733
00:42:56,680 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 4: play and around the greens and when you're very good

734
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 4: in like Speth is Speth was almost every hole presents

735
00:43:05,080 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 4: an interesting Okay, if you hit a good drive, then

736
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 4: you're probably gonna you have a good chance of hitting

737
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:10,680
Speaker 4: it close. If you don't, you have a good chance

738
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Speaker 4: of getting up and down. Like one example I think

739
00:43:12,600 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 4: is always important to throw out is if you hit

740
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 4: the green, your strokes gained around the green is gonna

741
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:19,839
Speaker 4: be zero. You're not even hitting a chip shot. So

742
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 4: speF like have being elite in both of those categories.

743
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 4: Like you're saying, Andy, it works incredibly well together on

744
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:27,719
Speaker 4: a course like Augusta.

745
00:43:27,840 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 2: So yeah, and if your day in twenty fifteen, it

746
00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 2: works really well too, because it's like, Okay, I'm not

747
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: the best approach player in the world, but I hit

748
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: it really far, I hit it pretty relatively straight, and

749
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,200
Speaker 2: I am going to put myself in a lot of opportunities.

750
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: And when I don't hit a great approach out, I'm

751
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:48,319
Speaker 2: getting up and down, you know.

752
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,399
Speaker 4: But now we have a player in Scotti Scheffler who

753
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 4: does everything well, and more players are doing everything well.

754
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:00,600
Speaker 4: And I just even if Speth hadn't gotten worse, I

755
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 4: think he was gonna run into this problem eventually.

756
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: So I think like a speF were this is something

757
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: that's speF unlocked at Augusta National and he might not

758
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 2: have been like the first, but like when you think

759
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: about like think about the eleventh hole and I think

760
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 2: this is like I think about this with Jordan Spieth

761
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: all the time, and now this is exactly how Scotty

762
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:26,759
Speaker 2: Schffler plays the eleventh hole. They just dump it right.

763
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 2: There's just no need to even hit the ball anywhere

764
00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 2: near the water left because their short games are so

765
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 2: good that if you just put them on short grass

766
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 2: right of the green, they're gonna get up and down

767
00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 2: like almost every time. And it's like this is that

768
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: exactly that inner play and how like these games, this

769
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 2: this pairing of iron play and short game works so

770
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,960
Speaker 2: well at a lot of places. Is like, okay, I'm

771
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 2: just gonna dump it. I'm Scheffler talks at it. He

772
00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 2: aims at like right at the right fringe. Yeah, and

773
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 2: it's just like that's where I hit it, and he

774
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: just hits it right and then he just gets up

775
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,359
Speaker 2: and down and it's just like, okay, I'm taking what

776
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 2: we saw happened to Ludwig off the board on Sunday

777
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 2: when he hit it in the water this year. You know,

778
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,080
Speaker 2: it's just like, this isn't going to happen. I'm hitting

779
00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:24,440
Speaker 2: it over here, and I'm just gonna get up and down.

780
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna walk away with four most days. In twenty fourteen,

781
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:32,800
Speaker 2: we're going back now. He gets picked for the Ryder Cup.

782
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: He's the youngest American to play the matches since Horton

783
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: Smith in nineteen twenty nine. Obviously, I mean, he's just like,

784
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,600
Speaker 2: there's so many of these when you go through his

785
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: his bio. Twenty fifteen wins the Masters. He breaks the

786
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 2: thirty six hole scoring record at fourteen under, broke the

787
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: fifty four hole scoring record at sixty under, ends up

788
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,480
Speaker 2: tying the seventy two scoring record with Tiger, and he

789
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: became the second youngest to Tiger to win the Masters,

790
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: first wire to wire winner since Ray Floyd. That was

791
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 2: such a dominant performance, it only gets better. Twenty fifteen

792
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 2: wins the US Open. He beats DJ and Louiu Stason

793
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: at Chambers Bay. Became the sixth player ever to win

794
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 2: the Masters of the US Open in the same year,

795
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:27,360
Speaker 2: first since Tiger Woods, younger, youngest winner of the US

796
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: of the US Open since Bobby Jones, the.

797
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 4: Youngest to win two career majors since Gene Saizen. I

798
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,200
Speaker 4: think it's said I was watching this broadcast backs, Yeah,

799
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 4: sixth player ever to win the Masters in the US

800
00:46:43,360 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 4: Open in the same year. And that's another one of

801
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 4: those great what ifs andy the Dustin Johnson three pot

802
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 4: on eighteen, that a lot changes if he makes that potter,

803
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 4: if it goes to a playoff, like that's one of

804
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 4: the speef I think, probably one of the biggest what

805
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 4: ifs well.

806
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,960
Speaker 1: And the way it finished, right where he burdies sixteen

807
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: next to the train doubles seventeen and you're like, I mean,

808
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:09,480
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of the epitome of the of the

809
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 1: speeth roller coaster, and then I believe he birdied eighteen, yeah,

810
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: to eventually to end up winning it. That was actually

811
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,160
Speaker 1: the first major I covered in person, and I remember

812
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:21,839
Speaker 1: it was when the US Open was still eighteen hole,

813
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: the Monday eighteen hole playoff, and I remember I was

814
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: like so excited to be out there. I was like, oh, yeah, well,

815
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,960
Speaker 1: I'll go eighteen holes with these guys. That'd be a blast.

816
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 1: And all these other people that were in the media

817
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 1: center were just just so excited that DJ missed the

818
00:47:37,360 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: putt so that they didn't have to stay and cover

819
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,359
Speaker 1: it on Monday, and I was I was bummed. I

820
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: was like, Oh, I want to watch another eighteen holes

821
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:44,840
Speaker 1: with these guys. That'd be amazing.

822
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,080
Speaker 2: Do you think the USJA, if that happens, gets rid

823
00:47:48,120 --> 00:47:49,800
Speaker 2: of the eighteen hole playoff?

824
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 4: Probably?

825
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,600
Speaker 1: If that, like, if if they play eighteen on Monday

826
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:56,479
Speaker 1: and then.

827
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: You have, you could have had this like epic duel. Yeah,

828
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 2: maybe it's still still in existence.

829
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:04,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point.

830
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: There was a camera McCormick quote after Chambers that I

831
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 2: thought was interesting. So this is from Karen Krause's New

832
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 2: York Times Space. Cameron McCormick, who's worked with Speed for

833
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 2: nearly a decade, said SPIE's ability to perform in the

834
00:48:18,920 --> 00:48:24,400
Speaker 2: clutch could be traced to his quote bulletproof self image.

835
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: No matter what happened previously, he can will the outcome

836
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 2: to his desire. That makes me think of the Harrington quote,

837
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 2: the Padrick Harrington quote where it's experience paraphrasing here, it's

838
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 2: not exactly this, but experience, isn't it? Everything is cracked

839
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:53,919
Speaker 2: up to be. With experience, you gain scars tissue wasn't

840
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 2: what it was. And I think that's like an interesting

841
00:48:56,840 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 2: aspect of golf. I like, when I am I long

842
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 2: ago competitive career, I I had some trouble playing tournaments

843
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,600
Speaker 2: at my home course, which is so counterintuitive. You think

844
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:18,240
Speaker 2: it was it was easy, like you know the course,

845
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: But what I found was in tournament pressure. I would

846
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:27,080
Speaker 2: think about all of the times that I struggled on

847
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: the course where not to hit it. And I think

848
00:49:30,600 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 2: like at this point in Speace career, he's never had

849
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: any like his one moment of bother was the Q

850
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: School thing. He's just been on this ascendant trajectory and

851
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:46,839
Speaker 2: I wonder if like part of this also mentally, he's

852
00:49:47,000 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: lost that bulletproof self image. He's realized, especially at this

853
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:55,080
Speaker 2: point in his career, that there are players that are

854
00:49:55,080 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 2: better than him. That's what you're saying.

855
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:09,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it's multiple things in one,

856
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 4: Like the swing gets worse, he's hitting the ball worse,

857
00:50:13,400 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 4: and he's I'm the twelfth hole of Augusta. You have

858
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,200
Speaker 4: to bring it up right, Like you want to talk

859
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:20,520
Speaker 4: about scar tissue. I don't think any golfer has as

860
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 4: much scar tissue on one specific hole as speech does

861
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 4: on twelve at August. He's hit it in the water

862
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 4: there a bunch of times now, so I think there

863
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 4: could be something to that. But also he's just not

864
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 4: hitting the ball as well.

865
00:50:31,120 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think one thing with this Andy is is

866
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,359
Speaker 1: when you have somebody like that who has been generationally

867
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: good at every age, it gets very difficult for that

868
00:50:42,480 --> 00:50:49,480
Speaker 1: person to start to make these decisions out of humility.

869
00:50:50,239 --> 00:50:53,560
Speaker 1: And so what I think Scottie Shuffer's superpower is is

870
00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:56,759
Speaker 1: is his humility. He is willing to say, hey, I

871
00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 1: can hit this shot probably seven out of ten times,

872
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 1: but because I can't hit it three out of ten times,

873
00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna I'm not gonna take it on. I'm

874
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,279
Speaker 1: gonna lay up over here, I'm gonna hit over here

875
00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 1: away from trouble. I'm not going to short side myself.

876
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: And I think so often speak whether it's because he

877
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: wants to prove it to himself or prove it to

878
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: other people, or because he's just done it for so long,

879
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 1: I think he has a hard time making smart choices

880
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: on the golf course. And yes, you can obviously like

881
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: he's lost something with his tea green game, and so

882
00:51:28,200 --> 00:51:32,000
Speaker 1: you combine those two things, and it results in a

883
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,040
Speaker 1: lot of like disastrous holes or disastrous nine hole stretches

884
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: over the course of the last you know, since I

885
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 1: would say since twenty over the last seven years. And

886
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: I do wonder if that is rooted in the fact

887
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,680
Speaker 1: that he won the US Junior twice, he won the Masters,

888
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:50,239
Speaker 1: I mean, all these things first, since Tiger first, since

889
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,640
Speaker 1: nineteen nineteen. You know, it's been a hundred years, and

890
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:57,959
Speaker 1: you start to think like, oh, I like, it's hard

891
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 1: because you want to have that self confidence, in that

892
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 1: self belief, but you also have to pair it with

893
00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:05,600
Speaker 1: like a wisdom and a humility on the golf course

894
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 1: to not think take things on that you shouldn't and

895
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:10,319
Speaker 1: to hit places that you're like, that's boring. I don't

896
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 1: want to do that. But the best players, I mean,

897
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: that's what Scotti Scheffler is doing over and over again,

898
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,279
Speaker 1: and that's why he's the that's part of the reason

899
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: he's the best player in the world.

900
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 4: I mean, Kyle, I think it's very smart to draw

901
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 4: the comparison with Scheffler, and I think, like you're saying,

902
00:52:26,320 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 4: Scotty's mind is okay, I can do this seven eight

903
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,399
Speaker 4: times out of ten, but what happens when it goes

904
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 4: wrong and speed is very stubborn in the I see

905
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,760
Speaker 4: this shot, I don't care what happens when it goes wrong,

906
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 4: Like I can get myself out of it. I'm hitting it,

907
00:52:40,120 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 4: But it doesn't really work out that way for you

908
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:44,920
Speaker 4: in the long run if you keep making those mistakes.

909
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: I do think also at this time in his career

910
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen fifteen sixteen, Speath emanated a maturity paired with

911
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: an innocence of youth. And that's an unusual thing. You

912
00:52:58,840 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: get guys that are nineteen twenty twenty one, they're they're

913
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 1: usually pretty immature. And I think some of that is

914
00:53:05,040 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: rooted in his upbringing, his family life, his sister having

915
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: special needs and her getting the lion's share of the

916
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: attention within their family. As he was growing up, he

917
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: had to like and I guess what I'm getting at

918
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: is there was this perfect balance of like personal maturity

919
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: but also like innocence within golf and not having that

920
00:53:26,080 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: scar tissue that I think really work to his advantage

921
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: as a twenty one year old that not a lot

922
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,000
Speaker 1: of guys have. And obviously, when we talk about these things,

923
00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: there's like a million factors. There's a million variables. We're

924
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 1: just sort of calling out the ones that are most

925
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 1: prominent or that we see most prominently that I think

926
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 1: played into some level of like generational success at that age.

927
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 1: And that's one that it gets talked about in terms

928
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: of like, oh, speak's a good guy, or like he's

929
00:53:57,280 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: always like his family has shaped him or whatever. But

930
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 1: I think not to make it too much about golf.

931
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:05,359
Speaker 1: I think it's really helped him, or it helps him

932
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:07,200
Speaker 1: at that age as a golfer as well, because he

933
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 1: had a maturity that the Patrick quote maybe sometimes you

934
00:54:10,480 --> 00:54:12,759
Speaker 1: lack a little bit of that maturity at twenty twenty one,

935
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: and he had it, and it paired perfectly with where

936
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:17,719
Speaker 1: his talent and where his kind of innocence as a

937
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 1: golfer was at as well.

938
00:54:20,120 --> 00:54:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think you're hitting on what makes golf

939
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: superstars so fascinating. I think when you talk about a

940
00:54:30,040 --> 00:54:38,560
Speaker 2: lot of other sports, most other sports are reactionary. Your background,

941
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:43,680
Speaker 2: your upbringing can shape how you approach the preparation for

942
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: the game, but then you get in the arena and

943
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 2: it is very much a reactionary skill driven, athleticism driven sport.

944
00:54:54,880 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 2: With golf, the interplay of mental eight and performance I

945
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:07,200
Speaker 2: think is more correlated than any other sport in the world.

946
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:10,600
Speaker 2: The one that would would jump to mind is like

947
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 2: is like pitching in baseball, I think is like probably

948
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:18,359
Speaker 2: the closest comp to golf where you have like that

949
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,160
Speaker 2: interplay of mental like you have to think before every pitch,

950
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 2: and I think like that that's the fascinating thing with

951
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: Jordan Speith, especially because of the uniqueness of his personality

952
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:37,160
Speaker 2: that we see come out in the conversations with Michael Greller.

953
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 2: So he closes out twenty fifteen T four at the Open,

954
00:55:45,120 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 2: one shot out of the three way playoff second at

955
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 2: the PGA to Jason Day. Absolutely, I think like one

956
00:55:54,680 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 2: of the best tournaments that nobody talks about was that

957
00:55:58,719 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 2: was that duel?

958
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,520
Speaker 1: It was it was a mini version of Phil Stenson. Yes,

959
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:12,840
Speaker 1: the fifteen Open, the seventieth hole he makes that long birdie,

960
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: So sixteen he makes that long I mean, it was

961
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: a it was a bomb, and you're like, this guy's

962
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 1: gonna he's going to win the Grand Slam like it

963
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:25,239
Speaker 1: legitimately felt like he was going to win the Grand

964
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: Slam at that moment. He he buggied the road hole

965
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,920
Speaker 1: and then he hits a ball. I it looked like

966
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: it was headed for the first tea box on eighteen.

967
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 1: I mean it was. It was so left. It was unbelievable.

968
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:40,640
Speaker 1: And he still has a chance to tie and get

969
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:44,640
Speaker 1: into into the playoff. But I just think taking you know,

970
00:56:44,719 --> 00:56:47,120
Speaker 1: he took the he took the Grand Slam to the

971
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:50,000
Speaker 1: what was at the two hundred and thirteenth hole or

972
00:56:50,040 --> 00:56:55,880
Speaker 1: whatever of the of the year. That's that's extraordinary, Like

973
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 1: that's not going to happen very often in a golf year,

974
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: and that was just it was a really special year

975
00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: like that was it was. It was just so much

976
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: fun to cover that and to be like just to

977
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,680
Speaker 1: witness it, to experience it. It was it felt very

978
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: very unique and like something that we're probably not going

979
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: to see very many more times.

980
00:57:15,840 --> 00:57:19,439
Speaker 2: I'm wonder I was wondering, like, legitimately, do you think

981
00:57:19,480 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: anybody is going to be this close ever again?

982
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 1: Well, you've got you know, now, the order of the

983
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 1: majors is different, right, So in terms of like I

984
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: think it's probably less rare to win the Masters and

985
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: the PGA in the same year. I'd have to look

986
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,480
Speaker 1: that up. Off the top of my head, I can't remember.

987
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 1: So I do think somebody could take it to the

988
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: US Open.

989
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: But but then that far into the US.

990
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,280
Speaker 1: Open, he lost to what four guys that year at

991
00:57:56,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: the Majors, four guys I don't legitimate and back nine.

992
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,360
Speaker 2: You know, as you said, I mean he buggies the

993
00:58:05,400 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 2: road hole and doesn't birdy eighteen. Yeah, at St. Andrews,

994
00:58:09,520 --> 00:58:12,560
Speaker 2: like usually that's a you know, part four and a half,

995
00:58:12,640 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 2: part three and a half. Yeah, and he doesn't get

996
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 2: that done, and then the day thing, they're going back

997
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,080
Speaker 2: and forth all Sunday.

998
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I don't think. I don't think anybody will

999
00:58:24,640 --> 00:58:29,520
Speaker 1: get that close. I mean, what's my timeframe, like ever.

1000
00:58:29,480 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 2: Again, I mean in the next in your lifetime covering

1001
00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 2: the sport, So we'll say thirty thirty more years, twenty

1002
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,840
Speaker 2: twenty five, twenty years, twenty five years.

1003
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: I mean, Joseph's got like forty years left. But no,

1004
00:58:44,920 --> 00:58:47,560
Speaker 1: I don't think. I do not think that anybody will

1005
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 1: get that close. Again.

1006
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:53,080
Speaker 4: I'll say somebody gets somebody wins the first two and

1007
00:58:53,200 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 4: is in the mix out of third in the next

1008
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 4: thirty to forty years. But I think there's almost no

1009
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 4: chance that they do it at that age, that they

1010
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 4: do it when they are twenty one years old, that's

1011
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 4: not happening.

1012
00:59:04,320 --> 00:59:07,959
Speaker 1: Well that's where like I and maybe I'm jumping ahead

1013
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: a little bit, but my I've really struggled for a

1014
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:15,440
Speaker 1: comp with Speeth over the course of his career, and

1015
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,560
Speaker 1: the one that I've finally landed on that I think

1016
00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm going with is uh is Sevy right, because it

1017
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 1: was the age thing. It's the Masters in Open Championship thing.

1018
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: It's the sort of like the sum of the parts

1019
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:34,160
Speaker 1: or the I always mess this up. The sum is

1020
00:59:34,200 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: greater than the what am I trying to say, Joseph,

1021
00:59:37,160 --> 00:59:37,600
Speaker 1: you got it?

1022
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the sum is greater than the all the parts.

1023
00:59:40,520 --> 00:59:45,000
Speaker 1: Right exactly Like you don't look at and Joseph and

1024
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:46,720
Speaker 1: I talked about this several years ago. I think we

1025
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,400
Speaker 1: were talking about Shuffler, but he was like I always

1026
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:51,920
Speaker 1: just said to me, I always trust guys that it

1027
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: doesn't look great necessarily because it means that they have

1028
00:59:57,480 --> 01:00:00,400
Speaker 1: done it like they have, Like because guys look at

1029
01:00:00,480 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: him and it looks great, like Gordon Sergent gets the

1030
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 1: benefit of the doubt at every Ram Davis, Yeah, because

1031
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: you're like it looks amazing, and guys where it doesn't

1032
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 1: look great, you're like, this guy has probably not gotten

1033
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:14,520
Speaker 1: the benefit of the doubt. He's had to actually do

1034
01:00:14,600 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: the work and actually accomplish what's in front of him,

1035
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 1: and you just trust it more. And that's where it

1036
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 1: was speed. It was like he was like, you know,

1037
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 1: he just he was so good at scoring, at winning,

1038
01:00:29,880 --> 01:00:34,040
Speaker 1: and I don't understand how that part. I don't think

1039
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,840
Speaker 1: it has gone away, and I think he could win

1040
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 1: more major. I think he will win another major at

1041
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: some point. But yeah, it just is crazy that it

1042
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 1: has like dissipated this quickly.

1043
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, were we ready to move on from twenty fifteen, Yeah,

1044
01:00:53,360 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen Masters collapse. I don't think we need to

1045
01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:04,080
Speaker 2: really go into this that much. How many do you

1046
01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:06,920
Speaker 2: have a six shot lead at the turn five, at

1047
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 2: the turn five, at the turn obviously the twelfth hole

1048
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:16,400
Speaker 2: is one of the most memorable scenes in Masters history,

1049
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 2: and Danny Willet wins, and then there's real talk about

1050
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:25,280
Speaker 2: like can he come back from this? Is it possible

1051
01:01:25,600 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 2: for him to come back from this? Because it was

1052
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:32,960
Speaker 2: such a i mean, historic collapse. There were a lot

1053
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 2: of Greg Norman comps I think the one that resonates

1054
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: the most with me is maybe Curtis Strange when he

1055
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,920
Speaker 2: turned with a he opened I think he opened the

1056
01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: Masters with a forty on the front nine, but he

1057
01:01:48,120 --> 01:01:50,800
Speaker 2: turned on the back on the back nine with a

1058
01:01:50,800 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: five shot lead or four shot lead and and lost,

1059
01:01:55,200 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: just just fell apart. But he quickly wins the Dean

1060
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: and DeLuca. Remember that sponsor, of course, the Denons. I

1061
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:08,200
Speaker 2: love that, the Dean DeLuca, Dean and DeLuca. That year

1062
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: he has a good twenty sixteen, twenty seventeens. The next

1063
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:18,400
Speaker 2: really good year won the AT and T. It was

1064
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 2: his one hundred start. He's the second man along with

1065
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods, to win nine times before the age of

1066
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: twenty four. Keep in bind, like Rom. This is where

1067
01:02:32,560 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 2: this goes back to the PGA Tour. You thing Rom

1068
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:38,240
Speaker 2: like Ludvigs, I think twenty five.

1069
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, at age twenty four when Ludwigs like playing his

1070
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,960
Speaker 5: first year on tour, Spith had won nine times and

1071
01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 5: won two majors, finish runner up in two bastards like wild.

1072
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy, I mean, especially when you with

1073
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: all the stuff he did in in junior golf too, right,

1074
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 1: like he was and he got a year of college.

1075
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he was just he hit the he hit

1076
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: the check mark head of every apex that he could

1077
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:14,000
Speaker 1: possibly hit.

1078
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,480
Speaker 4: I think he was contended in six majors by now,

1079
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 4: like he could have had. He was within striking distance

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01:03:20,360 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 4: of six major championships.

1081
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:27,560
Speaker 2: I think, Kyle, your Sevy comp I is like you know,

1082
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 2: I I always think about Sevey and Speeth and it's

1083
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:39,080
Speaker 2: like sometimes with golf, your best golf comes when you're eighteen,

1084
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 2: nineteen years old, seventeen. Everybody always says Sev's best golf

1085
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:46,920
Speaker 2: was when he was like sixteen. You know. It's the

1086
01:03:47,080 --> 01:03:52,160
Speaker 2: unique thing about golf, right where like the physicality in

1087
01:03:52,320 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 2: most sports is is centers around like when you reach

1088
01:03:56,840 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 2: your physical prime, like the NBA it's twenty seven, twenty eight, NFL,

1089
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 2: it's getting younger, but it's you know, very speed and

1090
01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 2: strength driven. With golf like that that basic level of

1091
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 2: man's strength isn't necessarily a prerequisite, so you get these

1092
01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 2: players that play their best golf at a young age.

1093
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I think I think the other thing about that, Andy,

1094
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:27,200
Speaker 1: and you you have turned me on to this idea

1095
01:04:27,240 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 1: over the years of just like the idea that it's

1096
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,320
Speaker 1: very very difficult to remain at at a major winning

1097
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:37,000
Speaker 1: level for a long time, right, Like what DJ and

1098
01:04:37,120 --> 01:04:40,280
Speaker 1: Rory have done to at least be at that level

1099
01:04:40,320 --> 01:04:43,800
Speaker 1: even if they haven't won majors for like a longer

1100
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:47,880
Speaker 1: than five year window is very unusual. And if you

1101
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: look back, I was looking, I tweeted this out. I

1102
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,720
Speaker 1: was looking this morning at like what's guy's major winning span?

1103
01:04:55,120 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 1: And it has this on you can go look at

1104
01:04:56,800 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: it on Wikipedia, and so like Arnold Palmer six years,

1105
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 1: Tom Watson's like six years. Tom Watson won eight majors.

1106
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: He did it in like six years. I think Hogan

1107
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:08,400
Speaker 1: won like nine, he did it in seven years. I mean,

1108
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: it's it's very very unusual to extend that beyond eight, ten,

1109
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: twelve years. It just doesn't happen very often. Sevy, I think,

1110
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,520
Speaker 1: won his five in a nine year span. And I

1111
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: do wonder if we'll like back on speed and say, well,

1112
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean he just he won all of his majors

1113
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,840
Speaker 1: between twenty fifteen and twenty seventeen. And that's just what

1114
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: it was.

1115
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:32,160
Speaker 2: I mean Duval had like a similar hot burn, you know,

1116
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 2: at an older age. Right, Yeah, here it was like

1117
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 2: basically two, three years, and then it was he wasn't

1118
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,240
Speaker 2: the you know, the best player in the world.

1119
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:47,840
Speaker 1: That's why like Ernie and Phil doing what they've done

1120
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: has been I mean, Ernie was eighteen years I think

1121
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety four to twenty twelve. Phil was seventeen years,

1122
01:05:56,080 --> 01:06:00,720
Speaker 1: twenty and four to twenty twenty one. That's that's crazy,

1123
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: Like that does not happen. Obviously, Tiger in ninety seven

1124
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: to twenty nineteen, twenty two years, that's very very unusual.

1125
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: Nicholas was a long time, but it doesn't happen very often.

1126
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:12,760
Speaker 1: And I do wonder if we'll be back and say,

1127
01:06:12,800 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: like I always thought speed would get it back. But

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01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:19,520
Speaker 1: we're only saying that because we're kind of in the middle,

1129
01:06:19,560 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 1: Like we're kind of we're kind of growing up in

1130
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:24,000
Speaker 1: our jobs with Speth, and he was like the guy

1131
01:06:24,080 --> 01:06:28,040
Speaker 1: that made us excited about writing and podcasting and covering golf.

1132
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:30,480
Speaker 1: But if somebody in the future is like, yeah, of course,

1133
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: like that's just how long you win majors for like,

1134
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 1: it would have been weirder if he did win a

1135
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:36,880
Speaker 1: major at thirty four, then if he didn't, like that

1136
01:06:37,040 --> 01:06:39,520
Speaker 1: was just that's just kind of how golf. How professional

1137
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: golf is.

1138
01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:43,000
Speaker 4: Kyle completely and can I give you kind of a

1139
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 4: bad stat on that. This was the one that's probably

1140
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:49,520
Speaker 4: the most least optimistic for Speed. But while we're here,

1141
01:06:50,080 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 4: so Jordan Speed's finished in the top ten four times

1142
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,919
Speaker 4: since twenty twenty one, but a lot of those were

1143
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,280
Speaker 4: not super competitive, like had a low final round, or

1144
01:06:59,320 --> 01:07:02,240
Speaker 4: like getting a bunch of strokes and putting in the

1145
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:03,959
Speaker 4: last day or something. It wasn't really in the mix.

1146
01:07:04,000 --> 01:07:04,280
Speaker 2: Okay.

1147
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,920
Speaker 4: Jordan Speith has been within three of the lead in

1148
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 4: ten major championships in his career. Nine of those were

1149
01:07:10,880 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 4: between twenty fifteen and twenty eighteen. The tenth was in

1150
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,760
Speaker 4: twenty twenty one at Royal Saint George's. Since the start

1151
01:07:17,800 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 4: of twenty twenty two, Jordan has not been within seven

1152
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 4: shots of the lead after three days of a major

1153
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 4: or seven is the closest he's been. So we're going

1154
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,600
Speaker 4: on three full years now of not being anywhere remotely

1155
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:35,120
Speaker 4: in the mix at a major. Pretty it reinforces what

1156
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:37,600
Speaker 4: you're saying about that window. But that's kind of a

1157
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:40,760
Speaker 4: tough like not even being within seven.

1158
01:07:41,120 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 2: Oh, this is why we're having this discussion today, is

1159
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 2: that where it feels like with the wrist, we're at

1160
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 2: this crossroads.

1161
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:54,680
Speaker 1: Yeah right, yeah, yeah, I agree. I looked up since

1162
01:07:54,840 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 1: he won that twenty seventeen Open Joseph Barkdale, most top

1163
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:04,360
Speaker 1: tens majors since then, so August first, twenty seventeen, Rory's

1164
01:08:04,360 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: got fifteen's Andrews got fourteen, Ram has thirteen, Scotty and

1165
01:08:07,680 --> 01:08:10,520
Speaker 1: Brooks have twelve, DJ and Fenale have ten, more, Kawa

1166
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:15,760
Speaker 1: has nine, camp Smith has eight. Keep going down the list. Salatorus, Reed, Fleetwood,

1167
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,080
Speaker 1: Bryce and JT and Speeth all have seven. So he

1168
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:25,520
Speaker 1: is not I mean, he's like kind of like relevant,

1169
01:08:25,560 --> 01:08:28,599
Speaker 1: but it's not within you know, there's ten guys ahead

1170
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 1: of him in terms of like competitiveness at majors. And

1171
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:34,599
Speaker 1: what you're saying makes it even worse, which is that, yeah,

1172
01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 1: those are like top tens, but it's like, I think

1173
01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 1: he finished top ten at Saint Andrews in twenty twenty two.

1174
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 1: He did? Was he uncompetitive? Was he involved? Ever? Well?

1175
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a stat seven top fives in his

1176
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:51,800
Speaker 2: first eighteen starts as a pro in majors. That has

1177
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 2: three wins in there. Yeah, since then, he's five of

1178
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:59,400
Speaker 2: twenty eight for top five. One of those top fives

1179
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:01,880
Speaker 2: was the best Page one where he had I think

1180
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,839
Speaker 2: it was like the most strokes game putting of any

1181
01:09:05,200 --> 01:09:08,200
Speaker 2: major performance ever, but he was still like eight or

1182
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:10,599
Speaker 2: nine back. It was a third of five.

1183
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:13,960
Speaker 1: Rooks and dj I followed him that Saturday at beth Page.

1184
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:16,479
Speaker 1: It was him and Brooks were in the final pairent

1185
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:22,160
Speaker 1: and they looked like they were playing different sports. It

1186
01:09:22,439 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: was like, I don't think Spith found the center of

1187
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 1: the club face. It was unbelievable. It was unreal that

1188
01:09:28,240 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 1: he finished in the top five that week.

1189
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,840
Speaker 2: So I think this is like the thing too, is

1190
01:09:32,880 --> 01:09:36,519
Speaker 2: like that illustrates how you could have a hot putter

1191
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 2: like maybe he could. The putting was unsustainable of his

1192
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,040
Speaker 2: early career. It was, but it doesn't mean it wasn't

1193
01:09:44,479 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: sustainable for weeks and spurts. And I think that that

1194
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:52,479
Speaker 2: the beth Page setup just in general was never going

1195
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:57,200
Speaker 2: to fancy speed, right. I mean, I remember podcasting with

1196
01:09:57,320 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 2: Jeff Ogilvie in our preview and was just like, listen,

1197
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 2: if you don't carry it three hundred yards or three

1198
01:10:04,680 --> 01:10:06,400
Speaker 2: hundred and ten yards, you have no chance.

1199
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:06,880
Speaker 1: This week.

1200
01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:08,920
Speaker 2: It is going to be someone who is at far

1201
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: and high and it just played out exactly that way.

1202
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:17,840
Speaker 2: But the I think, so he wins the Open. We

1203
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:21,880
Speaker 2: talked about that in pretty detail at the start. I

1204
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,840
Speaker 2: just wanted to put this, put this the stat out there.

1205
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 2: So he wins the twenty seventeen Open. He beats Koocher

1206
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 2: by three. He has that incredible finish. As you guys highlighted,

1207
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 2: He's the second player in the history of golf since

1208
01:10:36,600 --> 01:10:38,720
Speaker 2: Jack Nicholas at this point to win three of the

1209
01:10:38,760 --> 01:10:41,559
Speaker 2: first three of the first four majors before twenty four.

1210
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:50,559
Speaker 1: It's crazy. I almost feel like we underrated what he

1211
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: was doing.

1212
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 3: Right, Like I looked back at this and I'm like, God,

1213
01:10:56,280 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 3: like these there were Tiger comparisons, doing it in a

1214
01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:04,200
Speaker 3: completely different way than Tiger, but like we had never

1215
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 3: seen anything like this in this generation.

1216
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was on the heels Andy of that

1217
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:19,200
Speaker 1: weird like Luke Donald, Lee Westwood, Martin Kaimer, like that

1218
01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:21,840
Speaker 1: whole deal at the beginning of twenty tens, and obviously

1219
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 1: he had Rory kind of emerged from that, but.

1220
01:11:24,160 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: This has like made us forget about Rory.

1221
01:11:26,080 --> 01:11:28,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, this was and this was kind of the first

1222
01:11:28,520 --> 01:11:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna probably regret saying this, But in my mind,

1223
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:33,480
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, this is the first American,

1224
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:38,120
Speaker 1: like young American that it was like, Okay, this is

1225
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:43,320
Speaker 1: you know, this could be amazing, like in the post

1226
01:11:43,479 --> 01:11:47,639
Speaker 1: Tiger scandal, knee injury all that. Obviously Tiger was amazing

1227
01:11:47,640 --> 01:11:51,720
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, but in terms of young Americans, I

1228
01:11:51,720 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: think he was kind of the first guy to emerge

1229
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: out of that era.

1230
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, you hate it, you hate Anthony Kim.

1231
01:11:59,160 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 1: I already regret it. See I told you I would.

1232
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 2: Three times, three time winner Anthony Kim.

1233
01:12:09,680 --> 01:12:11,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess would be the other.

1234
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ricky. Ricky had maybe this much buzz, but not

1235
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:18,600
Speaker 2: quite the accomplishments.

1236
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 1: Peace never one of players.

1237
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:26,600
Speaker 2: I think something that sticks with me. A media executive

1238
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 2: told me this, a broadcast media executive. He said, there

1239
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,360
Speaker 2: are two players other than Tiger that moved the needle

1240
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:40,200
Speaker 2: for ratings, Jordan Speith and Rory McElroy. And that's it. Yeah,

1241
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: nobody else matters. No one else matters. And when you

1242
01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:47,360
Speaker 2: like look back at ratings, we're doing your review on

1243
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:51,280
Speaker 2: the Shotgun start and it's it's so true. It's like

1244
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 2: the only thing that moved the ratings numbers last year

1245
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 2: on the PGA Tour, where was Rory McElroy. Jordan Speed

1246
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 2: didn't have any moments that move the ratings, you know,

1247
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:06,160
Speaker 2: but those this guy's like, there are two players other

1248
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,799
Speaker 2: than Tiger and that's it that move ratings.

1249
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 4: I forget exactly what I was watching it. I think

1250
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:14,840
Speaker 4: it was some random PGA Tour live event, and the

1251
01:13:14,840 --> 01:13:17,960
Speaker 4: commentator is basically he's involved with junior golf in some way,

1252
01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:19,599
Speaker 4: and he said, if you ask junior golfer who their

1253
01:13:19,640 --> 01:13:24,360
Speaker 4: favorite player is, like half sixty seventy percent of them

1254
01:13:24,400 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 4: say Jordan Speed. And it'd be really interesting to see

1255
01:13:27,240 --> 01:13:29,599
Speaker 4: that over time now and if we're still there, if

1256
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,760
Speaker 4: some of it, if that's shifting a little bit to

1257
01:13:31,800 --> 01:13:35,240
Speaker 4: somebody like Bryson, But I think Jordan Speed's griphold over

1258
01:13:35,400 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 4: people who are currently like fifteen, Like he's a lot

1259
01:13:40,120 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 4: of those golfer's favorite player. Well.

1260
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,639
Speaker 1: And this is something that I've grappled with my entire career,

1261
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 1: because my career is basically coincided with the the Rory

1262
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:52,599
Speaker 1: more honestly more so with the Speed era, but most

1263
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:57,840
Speaker 1: of Rory's as well, is what what is it about Speed?

1264
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: Like he's just this kind of I think poor Ath

1265
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:05,360
Speaker 1: called him a milk toast white guy, just normal looking

1266
01:14:05,439 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 1: guy from Dallas, Texas who's good at golf. And I

1267
01:14:11,320 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 1: think part of it, Andy is the like what you're

1268
01:14:14,280 --> 01:14:18,080
Speaker 1: just saying of like winning at that age is so

1269
01:14:18,080 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: so unique and unusual. But I think another part of

1270
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: it is like, and we've talked about this a bunch

1271
01:14:23,560 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: probably on Twitter or other podcast, is just the idea

1272
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 1: of like he he reminds you of yourself at times

1273
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,559
Speaker 1: when he's playing, because you're like, yeah, this is I mean,

1274
01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 1: like I think I can hit that shot legitimately and

1275
01:14:39,120 --> 01:14:42,600
Speaker 1: he but like the flip side of that is like

1276
01:14:43,439 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 1: some of that that is alluring and compelling about his

1277
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: play Joseph was saying, was saying this earlier. Everybody else

1278
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:52,840
Speaker 1: is kind of caught up to it from a course

1279
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: management and from all these other perspectives. So it doesn't

1280
01:14:56,880 --> 01:14:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if that formula necessarily works anymore, but

1281
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:03,559
Speaker 1: he definitely hit at a time where people were looking

1282
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,880
Speaker 1: for somebody to love and to kind of latch onto

1283
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: in the golf world.

1284
01:15:10,160 --> 01:15:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so after Birkdale, I don't want this to sound harsh.

1285
01:15:17,400 --> 01:15:19,960
Speaker 1: Here we go. Wait, how many. Can we guess how

1286
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:23,120
Speaker 1: many times he's won after Birkdale.

1287
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 2: Like just do you know?

1288
01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:38,639
Speaker 1: I don't know? Okay, gus uh, I'm gonna say twice correct.

1289
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:44,639
Speaker 2: I mean, see, so twenty eighteen Birkeday or twenty seventeen

1290
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:51,000
Speaker 2: Birkedale two wins since twenty twenty one Valero Voalera, that's right,

1291
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:58,880
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two RBC two wins one of a C

1292
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:05,200
Speaker 2: level PGA Tour event in the Valero maybe d probably see.

1293
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: I bet you meant sea level, like the ocean. I

1294
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,160
Speaker 1: was like, I don't San Antonio, uh.

1295
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 2: Sure where it is. It'd be like a thousand feet

1296
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 2: And then RBC, which was that was a good field.

1297
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:23,200
Speaker 4: I mean, how many other tournaments has he even been

1298
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:24,160
Speaker 4: in the mix at?

1299
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:28,960
Speaker 2: That's the crazy thing. And it's like and it's like

1300
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 2: he's in the mix on Saturday and then it's like,

1301
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,519
Speaker 2: oh he finished ninth or he shoots sixty five on

1302
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:39,519
Speaker 2: Sunday and everybody's like, wow, he's bad. He's about we're

1303
01:16:39,560 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 2: about to see a speed run, and I think like

1304
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 2: at this point he's kind of that that's even gone

1305
01:16:45,920 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 2: where the optimism for the speak run is gone. I

1306
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 2: know this is not like this. This is not the

1307
01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:58,160
Speaker 2: most you know, modern stat but I just found it,

1308
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:06,679
Speaker 2: like jarring scoring ranks, So scoring average rank, this starts

1309
01:17:06,720 --> 01:17:13,879
Speaker 2: in twenty twelve, ninth, fourteenth, first, fourth, first, twenty eighteen

1310
01:17:13,960 --> 01:17:20,840
Speaker 2: on eighteenth, thirty fifth, ninety third, twenty fourth, ninety fifth, thirtieth,

1311
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,760
Speaker 2: and that it didn't have this year's in the Wikipedia

1312
01:17:26,760 --> 01:17:29,960
Speaker 2: on the Wikipedia page. I didn't look it up, but

1313
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 2: it's just like that. One's gonna be probably seventieth.

1314
01:17:35,240 --> 01:17:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he only had one top five this year and

1315
01:17:38,080 --> 01:17:41,519
Speaker 1: it was at Kapolu, all right, in twenty twenty four.

1316
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:45,120
Speaker 2: Does that even count as the top just like fifty

1317
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:52,080
Speaker 2: players in the field. So that leaves us here where

1318
01:17:52,479 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts for the future of Jordan speed.

1319
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,800
Speaker 1: Well? I think, first of all, one of your one

1320
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:04,600
Speaker 1: of your all time great calls was speak being just

1321
01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:09,400
Speaker 1: a guy, because that was not obviously a popular opinion

1322
01:18:09,400 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: at the time, but the numbers.

1323
01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:12,679
Speaker 2: Lots of people hate it on it.

1324
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:16,759
Speaker 1: I mean I was probably among them, but the numbers

1325
01:18:16,760 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 1: have borne it out. I mean, I don't remember when

1326
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:21,719
Speaker 1: you first said it, but it was it was very smart.

1327
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:24,639
Speaker 2: It was like twenty nineteen.

1328
01:18:26,120 --> 01:18:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you had a little bit of data, but

1329
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:34,880
Speaker 1: you know, look, I think that I think that twenty

1330
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:37,439
Speaker 1: twenty five and twenty twenty six will be very telling

1331
01:18:37,520 --> 01:18:39,920
Speaker 1: for what we get the rest of Speith's career. But

1332
01:18:40,360 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: here's my opinion is, like, you can exist as a

1333
01:18:44,520 --> 01:18:47,639
Speaker 1: one to one and a half strokes gain per round guy,

1334
01:18:47,760 --> 01:18:50,519
Speaker 1: which is like a top helped me out Joseph twenty

1335
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 1: five to forty type guy.

1336
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:55,519
Speaker 4: It's a little different with the way the game structured now,

1337
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 4: but sure.

1338
01:18:57,880 --> 01:19:01,360
Speaker 1: And still go out and win a major too. I

1339
01:19:01,400 --> 01:19:05,559
Speaker 1: think I looked up since January one, twenty fourteen. Now

1340
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:06,960
Speaker 1: I know we're taking it back to when he was

1341
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:09,719
Speaker 1: like uber competitive his at the beginning of his career,

1342
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: so when his major career started, most top tens at

1343
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,240
Speaker 1: the Open End Masters, Like if you only look at

1344
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:21,280
Speaker 1: those two majors, the Open Championship and Augusta Rory has thirteen,

1345
01:19:21,400 --> 01:19:24,320
Speaker 1: Spith has eleven, nobody else has more than eight. John

1346
01:19:24,400 --> 01:19:28,759
Speaker 1: Rahm has eight. So I think he will definitely contend

1347
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 1: at one of those and potentially win one. But I

1348
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,719
Speaker 1: don't think we're getting twenty fifteen or twenty seventeen speed ever. Again,

1349
01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,320
Speaker 1: in terms of a week in, week out top ten

1350
01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:42,800
Speaker 1: type guy, Like I just don't think that guy is

1351
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: going to exist. But I do still think even if

1352
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:48,320
Speaker 1: that guy doesn't exist, you can still go win a

1353
01:19:48,360 --> 01:19:50,720
Speaker 1: major championship. You can get hot with the putter for

1354
01:19:51,240 --> 01:19:54,360
Speaker 1: a week, Andy and be I mean it's like Phil right,

1355
01:19:54,439 --> 01:19:57,680
Speaker 1: like Phil at Kiowa. You're like, oh, he just remembers

1356
01:19:57,760 --> 01:19:59,760
Speaker 1: like what it's like to win a major when you're

1357
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:01,720
Speaker 1: in the mix. And I think we get one of

1358
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:05,080
Speaker 1: those weeks, maybe a couple of those weeks from Jordan

1359
01:20:05,120 --> 01:20:07,679
Speaker 1: Speed over the next ten or so years.

1360
01:20:08,640 --> 01:20:11,600
Speaker 4: Kyle, I know you're not expressing like a ton of optimism,

1361
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,640
Speaker 4: but I think you're I even think you're expressing too

1362
01:20:14,760 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 4: much optimism.

1363
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:18,640
Speaker 1: Personally, I do optimism.

1364
01:20:19,160 --> 01:20:21,720
Speaker 4: I think when Jordan speF seeing that he has not

1365
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:25,200
Speaker 4: been with it closer than seven shots of the fifty

1366
01:20:25,240 --> 01:20:27,960
Speaker 4: four hole lead in the last three years, and knowing

1367
01:20:28,000 --> 01:20:32,720
Speaker 4: the typical career arcs his approach play being bad, plus

1368
01:20:33,080 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 4: a firm belief that the way Jordan's spif won a

1369
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,640
Speaker 4: lot of his majors doesn't work as much now, Like

1370
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 4: every single one of these majors we've talked about, none

1371
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:44,760
Speaker 4: of them have been the like clean, mistake free like

1372
01:20:44,960 --> 01:20:47,439
Speaker 4: maybe the twenty fifteen Masters, but all of these have

1373
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:50,680
Speaker 4: these wild shots that he then recovers by holding a

1374
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:54,160
Speaker 4: twenty five footer. I don't think that's gonna work going forward,

1375
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:57,040
Speaker 4: and he'd have to approve his improve his iron play

1376
01:20:57,080 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 4: a lot. I'll say, like small chance that he wins

1377
01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 4: a major again, but I think it's very low, and

1378
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,479
Speaker 4: the chances of two majors, like I would be willing

1379
01:21:05,520 --> 01:21:07,679
Speaker 4: to bet a lot of money that that does not happen.

1380
01:21:09,520 --> 01:21:15,120
Speaker 2: I I'm gonna go more with Kyle here, I think.

1381
01:21:17,080 --> 01:21:20,360
Speaker 2: I think one of the things and why I will

1382
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,320
Speaker 2: I think I think Jordan Speith will have It's not

1383
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:26,560
Speaker 2: the same circumstances, but kind of like a Ben Crenshaw

1384
01:21:27,160 --> 01:21:31,919
Speaker 2: type career where there's like one final sendoff and we

1385
01:21:31,920 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 2: we get that last major.

1386
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:35,519
Speaker 1: So we're talking about him like he's like forty eight.

1387
01:21:37,320 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 2: I you know, I think one of the things that

1388
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,720
Speaker 2: I think he loves the game, I think he's like

1389
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:48,160
Speaker 2: hyper hyper competitive, and one of the things that that

1390
01:21:48,400 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 2: will do will like I think like there will be

1391
01:21:51,160 --> 01:21:54,160
Speaker 2: a lot of players that would be in his position,

1392
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 2: you know, with different mentalities and be like, you know what,

1393
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:02,160
Speaker 2: it was a great run I think the guy's going

1394
01:22:02,240 --> 01:22:06,240
Speaker 2: to just keep working. He's he's crazy. He like I

1395
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,560
Speaker 2: think he's crazy in a great way, like golf crazy.

1396
01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:13,479
Speaker 2: Where he's not going it is going to be a zero.

1397
01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,559
Speaker 2: Like he knows what he was and he is now

1398
01:22:16,680 --> 01:22:20,720
Speaker 2: on this quest whether he goes the right places. And

1399
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:23,479
Speaker 2: I'm kind of in the camp of Brandle, like you

1400
01:22:23,880 --> 01:22:28,080
Speaker 2: completely screwed up your DNA and you know you kind

1401
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:30,040
Speaker 2: of need to piece it back together. You've lost it.

1402
01:22:30,280 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 2: But I do believe that's there will be a no

1403
01:22:33,240 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 2: stone unturned approach to getting back to one he once had,

1404
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:41,960
Speaker 2: because I think deep down he probably craves that more

1405
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:45,479
Speaker 2: than anything in his life, to get back to that

1406
01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,800
Speaker 2: feeling of I am the best player in the world.

1407
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:49,800
Speaker 2: I don't think he's ever going to get back to that,

1408
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 2: but I do think between the Open and the Masters

1409
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,479
Speaker 2: that he will get one more and it'll be a

1410
01:22:57,720 --> 01:22:59,840
Speaker 2: kind of a blip on the radar. We'll look back

1411
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:02,400
Speaker 2: be You know, there are a lot of these over

1412
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:05,000
Speaker 2: the history of golf where it's just like, oh, he

1413
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 2: picked one off late in his career and it makes

1414
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:12,519
Speaker 2: the career make more sense. It's like, really like a

1415
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:15,760
Speaker 2: lot of guys with two majors, it's like, oh, he

1416
01:23:15,800 --> 01:23:18,639
Speaker 2: shouldn't have been one major player. That second major gives

1417
01:23:18,680 --> 01:23:23,080
Speaker 2: him something. With Speth, it's like he can't end as

1418
01:23:24,040 --> 01:23:26,840
Speaker 2: at where he's at now, Like he burned so bright

1419
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:32,719
Speaker 2: that there is like he should have four, right, and

1420
01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 2: that's what he's going to get out of it at

1421
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,240
Speaker 2: the end of his career. I think, like can he

1422
01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:41,360
Speaker 2: get back to where he's consistently a top twenty player

1423
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 2: in the world would be a question, And I think

1424
01:23:44,720 --> 01:23:46,840
Speaker 2: Joseph you're probably know on that.

1425
01:23:48,040 --> 01:23:49,639
Speaker 4: I was just going to say the same thing. Can

1426
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,000
Speaker 4: you ever get back to being a top ten consistent player?

1427
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 4: For sure? No? For me, I think top he could

1428
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 4: push like eighteenth, But I don't see Jordan Speed being

1429
01:23:58,040 --> 01:24:00,280
Speaker 4: a top twelve golfer in the world.

1430
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:00,479
Speaker 1: Again.

1431
01:24:00,479 --> 01:24:01,599
Speaker 4: I think that's very unlikely.

1432
01:24:03,160 --> 01:24:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I agree. I think he could be.

1433
01:24:07,400 --> 01:24:09,120
Speaker 1: I mean some of the guys in the well, it

1434
01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:11,800
Speaker 1: depends on what we're using as top twenty, as THISWGR,

1435
01:24:11,880 --> 01:24:14,240
Speaker 1: as a data golf you know, like there's a million

1436
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:18,639
Speaker 1: different ways to view it. I think like his ceiling

1437
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:21,240
Speaker 1: right now is like being a top like the twentieth

1438
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 1: best player in the world. Consistently over time. You look

1439
01:24:24,600 --> 01:24:25,960
Speaker 1: at some of the guys in the top twenty and

1440
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:31,839
Speaker 1: you're like, I mean, it's not like, you know, rife

1441
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:34,720
Speaker 1: with like superstars. So I definitely think he can get

1442
01:24:34,760 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 1: in there. But in terms of being a top ten guy,

1443
01:24:38,600 --> 01:24:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I'm I think I'm I'm with Joseph.

1444
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:46,280
Speaker 1: I think it would be more concerning in terms of

1445
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 1: like him winning another major if the way that he

1446
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,000
Speaker 1: won his previous majors was not kind of like he's

1447
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 1: just a scorer, right, if like, if he did it

1448
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,639
Speaker 1: because he was like a very track many perfect swing,

1449
01:24:59,680 --> 01:25:03,160
Speaker 1: like all all these types of things type golfer, and

1450
01:25:03,360 --> 01:25:05,839
Speaker 1: that was gone, you'd be like, that's a very difficult

1451
01:25:05,880 --> 01:25:08,519
Speaker 1: thing to get back. But because at every stage in

1452
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: your career you've just been a score and you've just

1453
01:25:10,960 --> 01:25:13,839
Speaker 1: figured out how to win, I think I can trust

1454
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: that he can figure out how to win one more

1455
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:17,200
Speaker 1: of those. Do I think he's going to win the

1456
01:25:17,240 --> 01:25:19,200
Speaker 1: Career Slam? Probably not. Do I think he's going to

1457
01:25:19,240 --> 01:25:23,759
Speaker 1: get to five majors? Probably not? But I do think

1458
01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:26,840
Speaker 1: you can figure that out for one week, like Phil did,

1459
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:29,240
Speaker 1: like Ernie Els did. I mean, you were just describing

1460
01:25:29,320 --> 01:25:31,640
Speaker 1: Ernie El Sandy where he picks off one at the

1461
01:25:31,680 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 1: end of his career, You're like, oh, it makes more

1462
01:25:33,880 --> 01:25:35,400
Speaker 1: sense that he has four than he has three.

1463
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think. I think like the most encouraging thing

1464
01:25:40,200 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 2: if you're in the Speed camp is the driving of

1465
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 2: the golf ball. Last year it was a bad year.

1466
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,519
Speaker 2: But if he's a top twenty driver of the golf

1467
01:25:49,560 --> 01:25:53,519
Speaker 2: ball and the top twenty approach player, that the thing

1468
01:25:53,560 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 2: about speed is that you will look at him at

1469
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:59,000
Speaker 2: the Masters and you will like, if he can get

1470
01:25:59,040 --> 01:26:02,280
Speaker 2: to that level, you will he will be a top

1471
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 2: five favorite of the Masters, and you know, over time,

1472
01:26:06,200 --> 01:26:09,760
Speaker 2: if the stars aligned and he plays great, it's hard.

1473
01:26:09,800 --> 01:26:12,960
Speaker 2: It's he's a hard guy to beat. At Augusta National.

1474
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: We didn't talk about the sixty four. That could have

1475
01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 1: been a sixty one. And I guess when he hit

1476
01:26:17,560 --> 01:26:23,040
Speaker 1: the trees eighteen more likely to win another major? Rory

1477
01:26:23,120 --> 01:26:25,600
Speaker 1: or Spith Rory, Rory.

1478
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:28,000
Speaker 4: Not close.

1479
01:26:29,479 --> 01:26:34,880
Speaker 2: Rory's got got four opportunities every year, no matter what.

1480
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,679
Speaker 2: I don't think you could say that Spith has Spith

1481
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:41,519
Speaker 2: is not going to win Quail Hollow. There's no chance

1482
01:26:41,560 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 2: of him winning quail Hollow zero.

1483
01:26:44,920 --> 01:26:49,080
Speaker 1: That's true, he also has five years on Rory, does he.

1484
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 2: I would say that Rory's game has aged way better

1485
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:59,240
Speaker 2: than Speed. Yeah, I think Rory's got a longer like

1486
01:26:59,720 --> 01:27:03,280
Speaker 2: in pure years, he's got less time. But I think

1487
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:07,920
Speaker 2: of an elite play Rory's got depending on how long

1488
01:27:07,960 --> 01:27:10,599
Speaker 2: he wants to play, six years.

1489
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:12,800
Speaker 1: I mean, but like so much of Rory's is predicated

1490
01:27:12,840 --> 01:27:15,400
Speaker 1: on speed and like how far he hits it and

1491
01:27:15,439 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: stuff like that, doesn't that age worse than what speed does? Well?

1492
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 1: I don't know what speed does right now, but.

1493
01:27:21,320 --> 01:27:23,760
Speaker 4: I don't I think Rory's got a guarantee, almost a

1494
01:27:23,800 --> 01:27:27,280
Speaker 4: guaranteed three to five years of four attempts a year

1495
01:27:27,360 --> 01:27:30,880
Speaker 4: of cracking a major, So you might not have any more.

1496
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:34,880
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, I mean I think I'm with you guys,

1497
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:37,880
Speaker 1: but I think I don't think it's like I think it's.

1498
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:40,400
Speaker 4: A I don't think that one's close.

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01:27:40,720 --> 01:27:43,960
Speaker 2: What who do you think ends their career? Who do

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Speaker 2: you think has more top fives and majors from this

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Speaker 2: point forward? JT or Speed? Jt Uh.

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Speaker 1: I'll say Speed.

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01:28:01,160 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 2: I think I'd go JT.

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01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:08,400
Speaker 1: So who in their career with more majors? Speth or Scotty.

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01:28:10,479 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 2: Are we serious, yes, s Scotty. Scotty, Well, that's a

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01:28:15,120 --> 01:28:18,240
Speaker 2: great question, because I think like you can be a

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01:28:18,240 --> 01:28:19,200
Speaker 2: prisoner of the moment.

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01:28:19,360 --> 01:28:20,240
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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01:28:20,360 --> 01:28:24,600
Speaker 2: I mean, if we did this podcast in twenty sixteen,

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01:28:25,720 --> 01:28:28,240
Speaker 2: we'd be saying the same things about Jordan that we

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01:28:28,640 --> 01:28:35,480
Speaker 2: were saying we would say right now about Scotty.

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01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: Whenever we first got into this. Andy, Rory and Spieth

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01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:39,960
Speaker 1: held at the end of twenty fifteen, or I guess

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01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:46,120
Speaker 1: after the US Open twenty fifteen they held all four majors, right,

1515
01:28:46,120 --> 01:28:51,680
Speaker 1: because as Rory won the fourteen Open in PGA and

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01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,160
Speaker 1: then Speth won the fifteen Masters in US Open.

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Speaker 4: I think speed plus one would be a pretty good speak.

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01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,440
Speaker 4: At four, I'd feel differently than Scotty at two.

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01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:08,799
Speaker 2: I'm not sold that Scotty's game translated outside of Augusta National.

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01:29:11,720 --> 01:29:13,920
Speaker 4: I'll take Scotty to win at least four majors in

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01:29:13,960 --> 01:29:14,439
Speaker 4: his career.

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01:29:15,400 --> 01:29:18,280
Speaker 2: I think that's like my best skip Bay list take

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01:29:18,400 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 2: right there.

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01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:24,840
Speaker 1: For sure, Ricky's too short. This is the whole thing, though,

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01:29:24,920 --> 01:29:28,360
Speaker 1: right is It always seems like yeah, obvious.

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01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,080
Speaker 4: Except that I'm giving Jordan a very low chance of

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01:29:31,120 --> 01:29:34,400
Speaker 4: winning one. Again, I think a realistic line for Scotty

1528
01:29:34,520 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 4: is more than one at this point, one more more

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01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 4: than one more.

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01:29:38,080 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's I think that's fair.

1531
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:44,040
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing. I started covering golf in

1532
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:47,120
Speaker 2: twenty fifteen, obviously a fan, but when you cover it

1533
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 2: as close as we do, I think the thing you

1534
01:29:51,240 --> 01:29:57,519
Speaker 2: learn with age is how how fleeting major championships are,

1535
01:29:57,920 --> 01:29:59,599
Speaker 2: like how hard it is.

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01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,720
Speaker 4: Just I agree, but you're not taking, you're not giving Scotty.

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01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 4: You don't think the line is at least one and

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01:30:05,280 --> 01:30:05,880
Speaker 4: a half more.

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01:30:06,240 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 2: I think I put Scotty at at four and a half,

1540
01:30:11,080 --> 01:30:13,560
Speaker 2: right right, I think that's putting him past. Yeah, I

1541
01:30:14,320 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 2: speer question, but I think it's like it's not a

1542
01:30:16,920 --> 01:30:22,799
Speaker 2: foregone conclusion, Like getting getting to four is really fricking

1543
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:28,800
Speaker 2: hard in it And as as Speeth JT. I mean,

1544
01:30:29,400 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 2: you go down the list, it's just you never know

1545
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:35,960
Speaker 2: when the bottom is just going to drop out, and

1546
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:39,680
Speaker 2: when it's almost like I just like sometimes think like

1547
01:30:39,760 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 2: it's like you get in the moments and the ball

1548
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 2: bounces the wrong way a couple of times and it's over.

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01:30:47,400 --> 01:30:49,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean that's what we're saying with the six

1550
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 1: year window, the seven year window, it's like and those

1551
01:30:52,320 --> 01:30:54,519
Speaker 1: are long windows. These are like the best players ever.

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01:30:55,160 --> 01:30:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like Scotty if you go, Scotty's window starts

1553
01:30:59,439 --> 01:31:06,160
Speaker 2: at at Harding Park. Really yeah, which was twenty twenty one.

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01:31:06,840 --> 01:31:08,880
Speaker 1: I think I think an interesting one is does Mark

1555
01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:15,200
Speaker 1: how ever, win another major? Right? Like you, You've got

1556
01:31:15,200 --> 01:31:18,360
Speaker 1: all these guys that it just and I think that's

1557
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,840
Speaker 1: what it's. Yeah, I mean, this is what I love

1558
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 1: about the majors and about the speed conversation. Is it

1559
01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,920
Speaker 1: just you start dishing out your you add up. It's

1560
01:31:27,960 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: like doing NFL win totals at the beginning of the year.

1561
01:31:30,240 --> 01:31:32,240
Speaker 1: You start adding them up, right. I don't think the

1562
01:31:32,280 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: math on this works out right where it's there's only

1563
01:31:36,040 --> 01:31:37,680
Speaker 1: four of them a year, which is the kind of

1564
01:31:37,720 --> 01:31:40,200
Speaker 1: the beauty of it. And I don't know, it'll be

1565
01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:42,439
Speaker 1: interesting to see where which direction speed goes?

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01:31:43,840 --> 01:31:47,479
Speaker 2: All right? Any parting thoughts on the speed this course?

1567
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:49,040
Speaker 2: Are we good to go? I want to give you

1568
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:53,720
Speaker 2: guys your space final word style for the final word

1569
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,160
Speaker 2: style for PTI, but I think we've an hour and

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01:31:57,200 --> 01:31:59,599
Speaker 2: thirty minutes. I think we've kind of hit on everything.

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01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd just like to publicly apologize for my microphone

1572
01:32:02,760 --> 01:32:04,479
Speaker 1: issues that we had earlier at I don't.

1573
01:32:04,280 --> 01:32:06,639
Speaker 2: Think anybody's gonna know that's what Pj's here for.

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01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,280
Speaker 1: Well they're not going to know, but it threw off

1575
01:32:08,320 --> 01:32:10,280
Speaker 1: my rhythm and it took me a while to get

1576
01:32:10,280 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: into the flow of the game. So I'm I feel

1577
01:32:13,040 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: back point at Groller, good to go.

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01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:20,439
Speaker 4: I think we've been a little pessimistic towards the back

1579
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:23,599
Speaker 4: end of this. But one of the most electric golfers

1580
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:26,040
Speaker 4: that we've seen in the twenty first century, and like

1581
01:32:26,520 --> 01:32:29,960
Speaker 4: the beginning of his career, we may never see again.

1582
01:32:30,040 --> 01:32:32,400
Speaker 4: So I don't want to come across too negatively on speed.

1583
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 4: I would love to see him win again. It just

1584
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 4: seems like if we will come back to this moment

1585
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:37,800
Speaker 4: in time in twenty twenty five and look at it

1586
01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:40,400
Speaker 4: ten years from now and realize, like all the signs

1587
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:42,519
Speaker 4: were there that it was closer to the end than

1588
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:43,679
Speaker 4: maybe we would have liked to admit.

1589
01:32:44,040 --> 01:32:46,320
Speaker 2: If he was an LPGA player, we might be talking

1590
01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,600
Speaker 2: about he doesn't have enough points to qualify for the

1591
01:32:48,640 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 2: Hall of Fame right now.

1592
01:32:53,640 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 1: What a take?

1593
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Speaker 2: Kyle, Kyle, do you what do you got going on

1594
01:32:59,680 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 2: with norbal sport? Over the next couple of weeks the

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01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:07,880
Speaker 2: holidays and into the new year. I just I was.

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Speaker 2: I'm a paying member of Normal Sport. I recommend it

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Speaker 2: to everybody. What do you have coming up?

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Speaker 1: Thank you for saying that, Andy, We actually don't have

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Speaker 1: a ton. We're gonna do a bunch this week. I

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Speaker 1: don't know when this is being posted, but.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate that.

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Speaker 2: Andy, all right, we'll be back later this week. Thank

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Speaker 2: you to PJ for editing producing this podcast. We'll be

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Speaker 2: back later this week with another pod. I think we're

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Speaker 2: going to try and get two more in before Christmas.

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Speaker 2: Get you loaded up for the holiday stretch, and and

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