1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants huts. 2 00:00:03,960 --> 00:00:09,720 Speaker 2: Giants give me some jump part of the Giants Podcast Network. 3 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,320 Speaker 3: Let's welcome to another episode of the Giants Little Podcast, 4 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New. 5 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 2: York Football Giants. 6 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 3: Thrilled to have the host of what I think is 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 3: the pre eminent NFL podcast out there, The Athletic Football Show, 8 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:22,479 Speaker 3: the one and only Robert Mays. 9 00:00:22,520 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 2: Robert, how are you man? 10 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: Doing well? Appreciate you having me. It's going to be back. 11 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:27,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's good to have you. You were out here 12 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:30,520 Speaker 3: at Giants camp a few weeks ago. You had a 13 00:00:30,600 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: chance to see this team up close. So I want 14 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,920 Speaker 3: to level set here first before we begin, because I 15 00:00:35,960 --> 00:00:37,879 Speaker 3: got yelled up by Giant fans. Sometimes they yell at 16 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 3: me as a guy that makes excuses. And when I 17 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 3: talk about the OFFENSEI finne last year, I say, guys, 18 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 3: it's not an excuse, it's a reason. And back in May, 19 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,559 Speaker 3: I went back just so I could refamiliarize myself. I 20 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 3: rewatched all of Daniel Jones' drop backs, the first six 21 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:54,680 Speaker 3: games of the year, whatever it was, and I lived 22 00:00:54,680 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 3: through that. I rewatched every game on Monday during the year. 23 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:58,640 Speaker 3: But when I went back and looked at it again, 24 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,160 Speaker 3: Robert I was like, wow, Wow, that was worse than 25 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,400 Speaker 3: I even ever. I think there was a sixty percent 26 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:06,720 Speaker 3: pressure rate against Dallas in Week one. I mean it 27 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 3: was just off the charts bad. And this is the 28 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 3: point you made that there's a difference between bad offensive 29 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 3: line play and what the Giants offensive line looked like 30 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 3: last year. 31 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: There's no doubt. 32 00:01:15,880 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 4: I mean, you have to get to a place where 33 00:01:17,360 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 4: you at least have a functional NFL offense, and they 34 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 4: couldn't get to that place. And you're right, it was 35 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:23,920 Speaker 4: from week one. I mean, think about that starting offensive 36 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:26,120 Speaker 4: line in Week one. Andrew Thomas gets hurt at some 37 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 4: point in that game. Mark Lewinzke's starting at right guard 38 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 4: for you, he played what one more game the entire 39 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 4: season before they decided like, we can't do this anymore. 40 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 4: Evan Eil obviously have massive struggles in that game, and 41 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 4: those continued early in the season, and then by the 42 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,840 Speaker 4: time you get to week two, like Joss Zudu is 43 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:44,600 Speaker 4: your left tackle, and from the for the rest of 44 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 4: the year, you're just scrambling for answers. And you can 45 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 4: account for one week point on the offensive line, maybe 46 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 4: two you can do it with scheme, you can ship, 47 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 4: you can help. When there are four guys at any 48 00:01:56,520 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 4: given time who are just completely outmatched, it's hard to 49 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 4: run and offense. And for the most part, that was 50 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 4: the state of this offensive line last year. 51 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, and this is the way it affects I think 52 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 3: the way you call your offense right where you literally 53 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:14,359 Speaker 3: can go do not call your plays. And the thing 54 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,639 Speaker 3: that kind of shocked me when I rewatched it how 55 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 3: many times they tried the max protect with seven or 56 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: eight guys and the other team was still getting home 57 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 3: with four on early down play action, Like that should 58 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 3: be the only time, even if you're bad, you should 59 00:02:27,000 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 3: be able to protect on first and ten play action 60 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: max protect with seven or eight send two or three 61 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 3: guys into the route against the four man rush. 62 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 2: They couldn't even protect against that. I mean, what chance 63 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 2: do you have? 64 00:02:37,680 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: And part of the problem is if you're living in 65 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:40,960 Speaker 4: that world where you're only having two guys out in 66 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 4: the route consistently, you're already just drawing dead. And this year, 67 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 4: in this NFL, when it's all about like can you 68 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 4: get four or five eligibles out, can you make sure 69 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:51,800 Speaker 4: that you're attacking zones and defense, you're flooding them with 70 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:54,240 Speaker 4: the receivers all that stuff. If you're only getting two 71 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 4: guys out in routes consistently, it's already a hard way 72 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 4: to live. 73 00:02:57,200 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 1: And you combine that with an. 74 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 4: Inability to protect the quarterback and you see the foundation 75 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 4: of it crumble. And that's why I'm curious about what 76 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,640 Speaker 4: it looks like this year. If we can get to 77 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:08,560 Speaker 4: a workable place, like a place where the offensive line 78 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 4: and some other role players than the offense are just 79 00:03:10,639 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 4: NFL caliber players, what can this offensive staff do Because 80 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 4: they had a really good year in twenty twenty two, 81 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 4: and they had as bad out of a year as 82 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 4: you possibly could last year. 83 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: What is the reality? I'm sure it lies somewhere in 84 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:22,600 Speaker 1: the middle. 85 00:03:23,160 --> 00:03:26,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think it almost feel like the front 86 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 3: office took the Daniel Jeremiah theory of offensive line players 87 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 3: just avoid having the tomato cans. 88 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 2: Right. 89 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:35,080 Speaker 3: If you could avoid the guys that are just you 90 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 3: have to help a lot, you're gonna be okay. So 91 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,360 Speaker 3: they bring in just a slew of veterans, right, John Runyon, 92 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 3: Jermaina Luminor, Greg Van Roten, Aaron Stinny, even who started 93 00:03:44,680 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 3: games with the Bucks last year. Just a bunch of 94 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 3: guys that I think, you know what they're doing. And 95 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 3: then I think more importantly, they bring in a coach 96 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 3: that coach two of those guys with the Raiders and 97 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 3: elevated a group where you look at that offensive line 98 00:03:55,640 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: last year, besides Colton Miller, they don't have guys that 99 00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:01,400 Speaker 3: people are talking about as high level starter, little one 100 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 3: Pro bowlers, So I think they're trying this formully here. Well, look, 101 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 3: if we can be the twenty first best offensive line 102 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 3: and stay out of that bottom quartile, this could be 103 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 3: a huge win. 104 00:04:11,320 --> 00:04:11,880 Speaker 1: Be a miracle. 105 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 4: If you're the twenty first best offensive line in the 106 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 4: league considering what they were last year, that would be 107 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 4: a massive, massive upgrade that again would just allow us 108 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:21,279 Speaker 4: to get some real information about what this staff is 109 00:04:21,360 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 4: and what they want their offense to look like. You 110 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 4: look back at twenty twenty two, it's a lot of 111 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:27,600 Speaker 4: the same sort of players for the Raiders. In Carlin 112 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 4: Brisolo when he was their offensive line coach, they ran 113 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 4: the ball extremely well. I mean, that was an efficient 114 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:34,760 Speaker 4: offense in a lot of ways. It helps that you 115 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,719 Speaker 4: have DeVante Adams and that changes the way the defenses 116 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 4: play against you. But the hope is if you drop 117 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:43,520 Speaker 4: a guy like Malik Neighbors into what the Giants are doing, 118 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 4: the entire ecosystem starts to come together in a way 119 00:04:46,800 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 4: like we've seen in other places around the NFL. 120 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:50,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, Giant fans, I want to stress. 121 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:53,520 Speaker 3: Go check out it was last week Robert and Derek 122 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: Lassen his new coast on the Aalytic Football Show. 123 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 4: Again. 124 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 2: I always talk about it on. 125 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 3: Our programming the best at the best football podcast out there, 126 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 3: a great nfcast preview. 127 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,599 Speaker 2: They talk about all of this. Go check that out. 128 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:05,720 Speaker 3: Bind it on your podcast platforms where you get your podcasts. 129 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 3: So let's talk about what this offense is gonna look like, Robert, 130 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: because we know what Brian Dabele did in Buffalo. We 131 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 3: all remember the first half of the playoff game where 132 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,440 Speaker 3: they didn't run the ball once. I think we although 133 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 3: Brian Dable wants, he wants to throw the football, and 134 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:21,120 Speaker 3: I feel like even two years ago when the Giants 135 00:05:21,200 --> 00:05:23,479 Speaker 3: made the playoffs, they had their you know season that 136 00:05:23,560 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: no one thought would would happen. I almost feel like 137 00:05:27,360 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: that wasn't what Brian Dable wants to do. Where you're 138 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: putting an offense around Saquon Barkley, you know, the quarterback 139 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 3: run game is. 140 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:34,280 Speaker 2: A huge part of it. 141 00:05:34,680 --> 00:05:37,040 Speaker 3: I feel like he wants to throw the ball a 142 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:38,920 Speaker 3: lot more and for the first time, I do think 143 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,920 Speaker 3: they've put together a group of players up front and 144 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:46,120 Speaker 3: at receiver where look, this isn't I'm not trying to 145 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: tell you this is gonna be Joe Burrow with Jamar 146 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,159 Speaker 3: Chase and T Higgins. But I feel like they actually 147 00:05:50,160 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 3: have a chance to run this offense the way I 148 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 3: think Brian Dable wants to run an offense. 149 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 4: I think that's fair and I would wonder how much 150 00:05:57,760 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 4: of that past happy life that they lived in Buffalo 151 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 4: was often having Josh Allen Yeah yeah, having like the 152 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 4: second best player in the NFL throwing the ball sixty 153 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 4: times a game and a guy who anytime he drops 154 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 4: back that can turn into your running game. 155 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 1: And they also ran a ton of RPOs. 156 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 4: Like just the entire baseline of what they wanted to 157 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 4: be in Buffalo, I think is an expression of the 158 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 4: quarterbacks ability. I don't think that they want to be 159 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 4: what they were in twenty twenty two. I mean that 160 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 4: offense was hilarious to watch, but it's just tons of 161 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,160 Speaker 4: rollouts and you're you're building the passing game through your 162 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 4: running back. 163 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: But I say that in jest. 164 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 4: I was impressed by what they got out of it, 165 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 4: Like it was a very notably it was a notably 166 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 4: good coaching job, Like the man was the coach of 167 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 4: the year, and I think that it was justifiable, Like 168 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 4: he did such a good. 169 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: Job of piecing that together. 170 00:06:42,560 --> 00:06:45,600 Speaker 4: And that's why I'm at least curious to see what 171 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 4: they can get out of this group. It's probably gonna 172 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,279 Speaker 4: look a little bit more traditional, but I haven't just 173 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 4: forgotten a lot of the flashes we saw from this 174 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 4: staff doing a great job with the talent that they 175 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 4: had in twenty twenty two. I think there are reasonable 176 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 4: concerns about that's just the state of everything there, what 177 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:03,920 Speaker 4: happened with Wing, Martin Dale, some of the things about 178 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:06,520 Speaker 4: Mike Kafka, and just that relationship in general. But I 179 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: still feel like there were enough flashes from that group 180 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 4: during the early part of their tenure, or at least 181 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 4: I'm curious to see what the offense will look like 182 00:07:15,840 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 4: when they get better players, and it seems like they 183 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,760 Speaker 4: have better players. 184 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, and I think the centerpiece to all this. 185 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:23,680 Speaker 3: And I hate to put this on a rookie because 186 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:25,679 Speaker 3: I'm very much in the Bill Parcells school. Don't annoint 187 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,520 Speaker 3: the guy, don't give him a gold jacket, all that stuff. 188 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 3: But look, I've watched I've been covering the Giants with 189 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 3: the Giants in two thousand and seven. And keep in 190 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: mind that old Beckham Junior had a hamstring in training camp, 191 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:36,360 Speaker 3: so that's kind of pushed away. 192 00:07:36,360 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 2: He's not involved in this conversation. 193 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 3: Well league Neighbors is the best rookie I've ever seen 194 00:07:40,040 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 3: in training camp, and frankly it's not particularly close. I mean, 195 00:07:44,360 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 3: he is really good. There's not much he can't do. 196 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:47,880 Speaker 3: He's had a couple of jobs. That's the only thing. 197 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 3: You can point that and say, all right, I'm a little. 198 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: Worried about that. 199 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: But to me, if he can really be that number 200 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 3: one wide receiver, that's the key for this whole thing 201 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 3: really coming together for this offense. 202 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 4: You mentioned Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase. Yeah, they may 203 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 4: not have t Higgins. They might have Jamar Chase though 204 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 4: that might be what he is. And if that's the case, again, 205 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,520 Speaker 4: it changes the entire complexion of what you can be offensively. 206 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 4: Think about the group that we're talking we're working with 207 00:08:12,960 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 4: last year, talk about the offensive line. But I mean 208 00:08:15,560 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 4: there are moments, like real moments where Darius Slayton is 209 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 4: your number one receiver and Darius Slayton has a defined 210 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 4: role within an NFL offense. 211 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: We know what he is, we know what he can bring. 212 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:26,280 Speaker 4: But if that's the case, if that's the state of 213 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 4: your passing game, that's not what you want to be 214 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four. And the fact that now you 215 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,320 Speaker 4: can bring Neighbors in and beyond his talent alone, one 216 00:08:34,360 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 4: of the things that I like about it is it 217 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 4: allows everyone else to slot into the roles that makes 218 00:08:38,200 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 4: sense for them. Right, you have the league Neighbors now 219 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 4: your true number one receiver. We're building the passing game 220 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 4: through this super dynamic talent. 221 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: Wandell. 222 00:08:45,679 --> 00:08:48,959 Speaker 4: Now you're underneath option, your slot guy, who I think 223 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 4: is very good in that role. Honestly, I think unrealized 224 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 4: potential because he really hasn't been allowed to kind of 225 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: be the version of himself that he should be within 226 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 4: the offense. And then you have Slayton and Hyatt as 227 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 4: your burners. Like if you think about that combined with 228 00:09:02,040 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 4: piecing together their tight end room, it makes sense like 229 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,440 Speaker 4: it's an NFL receiving room in a way that it 230 00:09:07,559 --> 00:09:09,679 Speaker 4: just has not been over the last few years. Like 231 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:12,439 Speaker 4: they tried to make Darren Waller like the centerpiece of 232 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 4: their passing game and it just didn't work. 233 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: Out for a whole variety of reasons. 234 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:19,920 Speaker 4: This you're being there's less ingenuity that's necessary here, Like 235 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 4: this is something that you look at it it makes 236 00:09:23,160 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: sense to your brain and it looks more like you 237 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 4: want an NFL offense to look in the modern day. 238 00:09:27,480 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 5: You're ready for a change. Pay Day comes early with citizens, 239 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 5: So go to that retreat. Knew you moves to the country. 240 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 5: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are 241 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:39,680 Speaker 5: you ready for all that life brings? 242 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 243 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:44,280 Speaker 3: They have the basketball team, right, They have guys that 244 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,160 Speaker 3: can fill the different roles and do different things. And 245 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:48,520 Speaker 3: I looked this up in preparation of this conversation because 246 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,199 Speaker 3: everyone talks about what's been going on around Daniel Jones, 247 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 3: and we will get to the quarterback Obvioss obviously a 248 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: huge part of all of this. You know, we talk 249 00:09:55,080 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 3: about the offensive line in front of Jones. If you 250 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 3: look at the receiver group piece thrown two. In it's 251 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:01,960 Speaker 3: five years in the league. Their leading receiver four out 252 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 3: of the last five years was Darius Layton. He's never 253 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,439 Speaker 3: had more than seven hundred and fifty one receiving yards 254 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:06,800 Speaker 3: in a year. 255 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:09,679 Speaker 4: The Isaiah Hodgins was the number one in twenty twenty two. 256 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 4: He was the best receiver on the team and Richie James. 257 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,200 Speaker 3: It was Isaiah Hodgins and Richie James. And we just 258 00:10:14,240 --> 00:10:16,880 Speaker 3: got word from reports this morning that Isaiah Hodgins isn't 259 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 3: going to make the roster this year. And when you're 260 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 3: for the last five years, you have Darius Layton leaned 261 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 3: the team and receiving four times, never had more than 262 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 3: seven hundred fifty one receiving yards. 263 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: Kenny Galladay was the other guy. 264 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 3: I mean, my gosh, if you can just get Neighbors 265 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 3: playing to that level, and then to your point, you 266 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:37,480 Speaker 3: need Robinson in Hyatt, I think to realize some of 267 00:10:37,520 --> 00:10:38,319 Speaker 3: their potential. 268 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of a theme for this 269 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 2: old Giants team, right. 270 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: They have a lot of guys that they think can 271 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 3: be good, they just haven't quite shown it yet. 272 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that this draft too, beyond just 273 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: Malik Neighbors. This needs to be a transformative draft for 274 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 4: Joe Shane in this regime, and if you look at it, 275 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,280 Speaker 4: they just so desperately need an injection of talent at 276 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 4: pretty much every single area of the roster, and. 277 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: You'd hope that this group can give it to you. 278 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 4: You know, if Neighbors is a guy, and then obviously 279 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:07,560 Speaker 4: use a second one of your second or your second 280 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:09,439 Speaker 4: rond pick on Brian Burns, That's fine, We'll take that. 281 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:11,960 Speaker 1: Hopefully he'll give you second round value. 282 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 4: And then you get a little bit deeper, like, can 283 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 4: can Theo Johnson give you a little bit of juice 284 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,440 Speaker 4: at tight end? Can Tyrone Tracy give you some pop 285 00:11:20,480 --> 00:11:21,239 Speaker 4: in the backfield? 286 00:11:21,480 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 1: What can Drew Phillips be for you? 287 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 4: Like, if this group hits, I think it really does 288 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 4: have a chance to kind of turn the ship for 289 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 4: what this regime has done over the last couple of years. 290 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 4: And based on some of the early returns from a 291 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 4: couple of these guys, like, I don't think that's off 292 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 4: the table at all. 293 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I'm with you. Let's stick on the offense here. 294 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: Let let's go to Daniel Jones. Obviously, you know he 295 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,000 Speaker 3: had a lot of issues last year, did not play well. 296 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 3: There were reasons for that. Played better two years ago, 297 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 3: but again I think is good play. I had more 298 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 3: to do with his ability in the run game than 299 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:52,559 Speaker 3: it wasn't the passing game. You look at his EPA 300 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 3: per dropback for pass things like that. A lot of 301 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,040 Speaker 3: it was the run game. I really think, and I 302 00:11:57,120 --> 00:11:58,959 Speaker 3: might be going too far this way, and a lot 303 00:11:58,960 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 3: of not many people agree with me, but I really 304 00:12:01,679 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 3: think what Brian Dable and Joe Shane are going to 305 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 3: do this year, and say, Daniel, here's the ball. Throw 306 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 3: the ball, and you know what if you look like 307 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 3: you did your rookie year and you throw a few 308 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 3: too many picks, but you're a little bit more aggressive, Okay, 309 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 3: you know I don't want to see that really average 310 00:12:17,480 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 3: low average depth of target. I'll take a few more picks. 311 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:22,720 Speaker 3: If he's gutting the ball down the field, I'll live 312 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 3: with that. So I think this is going to be 313 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:27,520 Speaker 3: all right. Daniel and Joe Shane said this in a 314 00:12:27,559 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 3: media availability. Look, you don't pay a quarterback forty million 315 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: dollars a year to then hand the ball off to 316 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:35,320 Speaker 3: a thirteen million dollars running back. So I think for 317 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,360 Speaker 3: better or worse, and we'll find out what the results are. 318 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: I think they're going to really give him what's around him. 319 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 3: Know exactly what they have in Daniel Jones after this year. 320 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:45,079 Speaker 4: I think it's part of the reason and part of 321 00:12:45,120 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 4: the benefit of going and out and getting a guy 322 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 4: like Neighbors and doing what you did along the offensive line. 323 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 4: It's by the end of the year, I just want 324 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 4: an answer. I want an answer on what the best 325 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 4: path forward is with this team. Because we know this. 326 00:12:55,400 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 4: They can move on after this season, and you know 327 00:12:57,480 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 4: that would put them in an unanviable position just because 328 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 4: you have to go find a quarterback now, which is 329 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 4: never an easy place to be. But you also can't 330 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 4: pay a guy whatever his cap it is next year. 331 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 4: It's like fifty sixty million, right, I mean, you can't 332 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 4: do that for a guy who's not consistently lifting your offense. 333 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: So I'm with you. 334 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:13,600 Speaker 4: I think one way or other, by the end of 335 00:13:13,600 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 4: the season, they need an answer and what he is 336 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:16,040 Speaker 4: and what he's going to be. 337 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:19,640 Speaker 3: What do you think is a successful season for Daniel Jones. 338 00:13:19,640 --> 00:13:21,920 Speaker 3: I'm gonna steal your closing question for all of your 339 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: division preview teams. What is a successful season for Daniel Jones. 340 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:28,400 Speaker 1: I think just keeping the job. 341 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:31,160 Speaker 4: I think keeping the job into twenty twenty five, Like 342 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 4: he plays well enough where this group gets to the 343 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,880 Speaker 4: end of the year and says, could we move on? 344 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:40,079 Speaker 1: Sure? Is that going to benefit us? Like? Is there 345 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: really a better option out there for us. 346 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:45,080 Speaker 4: Than Daniel Jones heading into twenty twenty five if he 347 00:13:45,120 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 4: can play well enough and convince this group that the 348 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:50,160 Speaker 4: answer to that is no. I think that's a screaming 349 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 4: success for him individually. 350 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 2: What does him playing well enough look like? 351 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:59,120 Speaker 4: I think this is a I'm trying to have to 352 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 4: put a number on it. I think this is a 353 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 4: like an offense that hovers around like a little below average. 354 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:05,760 Speaker 1: But it's one of those teams that. 355 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 4: I'll do it from my like very myopic viewpoint here. 356 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 4: It's one of those teams where like in week eight, 357 00:14:11,280 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 4: when we're doing our week eight preview, I look at Derek, 358 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 4: my co host, and I was like, you want to 359 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 4: talk about the Giants offense? Like we haven't talked about 360 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 4: them at all, Like it just feels like they're doing 361 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 4: a lot of interesting stuff, Like we should we should 362 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 4: dig into this. That is to me, like that's what 363 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 4: it feels like. If it's a team that it's intriguing, 364 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:28,960 Speaker 4: that's a little bit better than you expect, that's trotting 365 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 4: some stuff out that kind of like makes you sit 366 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 4: up a little bit straighter in your chair, that surprises 367 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 4: you a little bit. If that's the case, then I 368 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,560 Speaker 4: think that's about as good as you can hope for 369 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 4: with this team this year. 370 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 2: I know we've kind of touched on it. 371 00:14:39,760 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 3: What do you think this Brian Davile offense does in 372 00:14:41,960 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 3: fact look like with different personnel that he's had the 373 00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 3: last couple of years. 374 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,320 Speaker 1: I honestly don't know like that. 375 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 4: That's one of the craziest parts about this I wouldn't 376 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,360 Speaker 4: even pretend to guess. You know, I spent forty five 377 00:14:52,360 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 4: minutes of a training camp practice watching this team play 378 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 4: this year because it was ninety five degrees outside in 379 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 4: eighty five percent humidity, and I had a five hour 380 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:00,000 Speaker 4: drive to Boss. 381 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: So I was like, peace, I'll see you guys later. 382 00:15:02,120 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 4: But I truly don't know what to expect, because again, 383 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: we've seen him be so many different things, even over 384 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 4: the last six years since he got to Buffalo. You know, 385 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:14,680 Speaker 4: they get to Buffalo in twenty eighteen, and I think 386 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:16,680 Speaker 4: a lot of that offense that year, just like a 387 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 4: little history lesson Pat DeMarco was on that roster, Like 388 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 4: this is a team that was rooted back then and 389 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 4: a lot of those New England ideas and that's where 390 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 4: Brian Dable comes from. 391 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 1: It was more traditional. 392 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,080 Speaker 4: And then I want to say going into the twenty 393 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 4: twenty season, because people have told me the story multiple 394 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 4: different times, that's when he kind of threw the whole 395 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 4: playbook in the garbage and came into that spring it 396 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 4: was like, we're just going to spread it out now, 397 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 4: like we're going to be a spread offense with Josh 398 00:15:44,880 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 4: Allen and Cole Beasley was on that team, and they 399 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 4: were literally stealing some of the spread up concepts from 400 00:15:50,480 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: his SMU days and by dropping them into that offense. 401 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,200 Speaker 4: And you know, Brian watches a ton of college football 402 00:15:56,240 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 4: and it was a lot of like what arepos can 403 00:15:58,200 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 4: I steal from this college team these days? And then 404 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 4: you get to what he was in twenty twenty two 405 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:06,640 Speaker 4: and it's all under center, play action, you know, boots 406 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 4: and QB run games. So that's why it's hard to 407 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 4: pin down just because you don't get that many hints 408 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,360 Speaker 4: about what it'll be from his DNA and even some 409 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 4: of the stuff that he's been as a play caller, 410 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 4: because that stuff is so disparate that it's kind of 411 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 4: all over the place. 412 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I can tell you I've talked to him and 413 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 3: when you ask him about what it's like calling plays again, 414 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,360 Speaker 3: he gets this little like grin and gleam in his 415 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 3: eye where he's excited to do this. 416 00:16:29,320 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: Man. 417 00:16:29,560 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 3: I think you know, when he first got here, you 418 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 3: don't want to take on too much as a first 419 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 3: time head coach. You're just a career before you'll want 420 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 3: to do everything. Now he's kind of figured that out. 421 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 3: Might be a little strong, but he's done it enough 422 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 3: over the two years where he I think he's ready 423 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 3: to really bold this offense. And he has a guy 424 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,400 Speaker 3: like my Kafka who's gonna have Andy Reid ideas to 425 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: kind of help you with that sort of stuff, right, 426 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 3: But I think he's really excited to kind of be like, 427 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 3: all right, you know what, I've been here for two years. 428 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 3: Your three for head coach is big. I'm going down 429 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 3: my way and this is gonna be a Brian Davile offense. 430 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,720 Speaker 3: And I'm excited that I think is going to be fun. 431 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so too. I'm looking forward to what 432 00:17:03,280 --> 00:17:04,919 Speaker 4: it is. I don't know what the end result is 433 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,000 Speaker 4: going to look like. But this isn't one of those 434 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 4: teams where I'm walking into the season and I'm like, 435 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:11,679 Speaker 4: I don't know, man, I don't know how this is 436 00:17:11,720 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 4: going to go. I think there are some offenses in 437 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 4: the NFL where there's not proven success from the play caller, 438 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 4: even if there is some questions about what the offensive 439 00:17:20,520 --> 00:17:22,119 Speaker 4: personnel is going to look like. And at least with 440 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 4: the Giants, you have a play caller and an offensive 441 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 4: staff that has shown an ability literally within the last 442 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 4: two years, to get the most out of their personnel. 443 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 4: So this personnel being improved, I think that you can 444 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:36,840 Speaker 4: reasonably kind of create a case for optimism about what 445 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:37,959 Speaker 4: this eventually looks like. 446 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:40,600 Speaker 3: Football season is coming, and so is the next college semester. 447 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:42,600 Speaker 3: If you need funding, a Citizen Student loan could help 448 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 3: you pay for one hundred percent of your school certified costs. 449 00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 3: Get your rate quoted about two minutes at citizensbank dot 450 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 3: com slash pay for college. All right, Robert's going to 451 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 3: the defense. I know in the media nationally everyone talks 452 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: about the quarterback. They're all freaking out about the Giants offense. 453 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 3: Based on our conversation, I feel much better about that 454 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 3: side of the ball, quite honestly. Then I do a 455 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 3: we're gonna talk about here on defense, and I want 456 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 3: to start with the secondary. You were here, a lot 457 00:18:05,160 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 3: of youth back there, right. The guy you're relying on 458 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 3: is Deontae Banks. Is it a second year, right? Jason 459 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:12,080 Speaker 3: Pinnock's your veteran safety. He's playing this thirty year and 460 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,359 Speaker 3: he's got at switch positions as a rookie. You know 461 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,960 Speaker 3: you're gonna have Drew Phillips a rookie slot, Cordo Flotts 462 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: a thirty year outside corner. You could be starting another 463 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 3: rookie safety in Tyler new But otherwise, oh, it's a 464 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 3: second year guy in Dave Belton. This is an extremely 465 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:28,080 Speaker 3: young secondary in a Shane Bowen system that requires a 466 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 3: lot of passing guys off his own coverage, a lot 467 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:33,720 Speaker 3: of communication, things like that. So I think early in 468 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,720 Speaker 3: the year, if there's one thing to watch here, it's 469 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 3: how quickly can this young secondary put things together and frankly, 470 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 3: just avoid giving up some of those back baking plays. 471 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,200 Speaker 3: You know, Week one Minnesota, justin Jefferson, that can really 472 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:46,800 Speaker 3: kind of sink a game very quickly. 473 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: Yeah. 474 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 4: I mean there's tons of either unproven guys, guys moving positions, 475 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 4: or guys that we've never even seen play before, and 476 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:55,760 Speaker 4: it's not a great place to start. You know, you 477 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:57,760 Speaker 4: hope it all comes together. You hope that Newban and 478 00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 4: Phillips end up being fines, but there are a ton 479 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 4: of questions with that group heading into the year, There's 480 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 4: no doubt about it. 481 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 2: How do you think in a Shane Bowen defensive system, 482 00:19:07,800 --> 00:19:11,120 Speaker 2: which is much more of your typical NFL system these days, 483 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,439 Speaker 2: do you think you can cover up for some of 484 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 2: the issues at corner at least when you run that 485 00:19:16,640 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: type of defensive system. 486 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,119 Speaker 4: Yes, and no, I mean they've they run a lot 487 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 4: of quarters on early downs, or at least that's what 488 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 4: he was doing with the Titans. So I mean a 489 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,480 Speaker 4: lot of those situations do turn on one turn into 490 00:19:26,520 --> 00:19:28,720 Speaker 4: one on ones on the outside, even if you're yeah, 491 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,760 Speaker 4: and if you're preventing explosives, you know, hopefully on the 492 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:34,520 Speaker 4: second level their third level of defense, but even if 493 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,399 Speaker 4: you look at some of their third down the coverage 494 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:38,959 Speaker 4: venues over the last few years, they put a lot 495 00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,320 Speaker 4: of man coverage, like this isn't necessarily a system that 496 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,160 Speaker 4: hides those dbs to that extent the safeties sometimes maybe 497 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,119 Speaker 4: for the corner specifically, Like I think that they're going 498 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 4: to have their hands full in a way that you 499 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 4: wouldn't really any NFL system. So I'm definitely curious to 500 00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:55,720 Speaker 4: see what sort of step that Deontay Banks can take 501 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 4: in a year two because I think that's the biggest 502 00:19:58,040 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 4: part of all of this. If he can be like 503 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 4: a real guy again, I think that makes you feel 504 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,320 Speaker 4: a little bit better because the hierarchy of what your 505 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 4: secondary looks like starts to shift because whoever that number 506 00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,479 Speaker 4: two outside corner is, be like, all right, he's our 507 00:20:09,560 --> 00:20:12,680 Speaker 4: number two corner, like definitively, So that makes you feel 508 00:20:12,680 --> 00:20:14,920 Speaker 4: a little bit better about the entire complexion of the group. 509 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm curious to see how Deontay Banks looks in 510 00:20:18,520 --> 00:20:19,679 Speaker 3: a different defensive system. 511 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:19,879 Speaker 1: Right. 512 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 3: They drafted him not maybe a four system, but in 513 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:24,920 Speaker 3: his first year he played in a system where he 514 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,399 Speaker 3: played a lot of pressman. That's what he did in college, 515 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 3: big physical guy, that's what he was good at. This 516 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 3: is much more eyes on the quarterback a lot more 517 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:33,840 Speaker 3: off coverage. I'm curious to see how he adjusts to 518 00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 3: that different play. 519 00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 4: Style, There's no doubt, And I think that that's a 520 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,160 Speaker 4: huge question when you have a guy with his selling point, right, 521 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 4: the whole point is that he's a big, physical, explosive 522 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,679 Speaker 4: guy who fits a man heavy style defense, and so 523 00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 4: transitioning away from that, I think there are reasonable questions 524 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 4: about how he's going to take to it. And you know, 525 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 4: for a corner, we know that year one is always 526 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 4: kind of a crapshoot. You have no idea how it's 527 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 4: going to go, and going into your two switching systems, 528 00:20:58,560 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 4: it's almost like he's doing his rookiear all over again 529 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:02,720 Speaker 4: in some ways. So I think it's a lot to 530 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:05,800 Speaker 4: put on a guy that they desperately need to click 531 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 4: for this offense to come or this defense to come together. 532 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and I think it's pretty obvious that the goal here, 533 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 3: and you know we saw this in Hard Knock Chamboll 534 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:13,760 Speaker 3: and talking about it. Look, he wants a pass rush 535 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 3: that he can get home with four. You know, you 536 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 3: don't have to, you don't have to. You know, you 537 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 3: can leave more guys in coverage to help the secondary. 538 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 3: They're really going to rely on this defensive front to 539 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 3: do a lot of the heavy lifting here trying to 540 00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 3: get pressure on the quarterback. 541 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:26,399 Speaker 4: No doubt, And I think that this defensive front is 542 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 4: probably the strength of the entire roster when you look 543 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 4: at all the position groups individually, and you know, keve 544 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 4: On Tibodau, I think that his sack numbers probably aren't 545 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 4: in line with what he was doing down to down 546 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 4: last year. 547 00:21:35,920 --> 00:21:38,680 Speaker 1: But the hope is now that you have two. 548 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:42,119 Speaker 4: Guys next to you who are people that offenses have 549 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 4: to worry about, people that offenses have to game plan around, 550 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,919 Speaker 4: and Dexter Lawrence and Brian Burns, because that can that 551 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 4: make keve On Tibodau's life easier, you know, can he 552 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,119 Speaker 4: take a step forward? You know, and you look at 553 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 4: pressure rates and just how often he's affecting the quarterback 554 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 4: and if that can happen, and you combine it with 555 00:21:57,600 --> 00:21:59,919 Speaker 4: Dexter Lawrence, who I truly think is like one of 556 00:21:59,920 --> 00:22:02,239 Speaker 4: the best, like fifteen players in the NFL. Like, I 557 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 4: just absolutely loved Dexter Lawrence. 558 00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,560 Speaker 2: I so much fun to watch every day. 559 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 4: I one of my favorite players to watch. And also 560 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 4: just when you think about how unique he is compared 561 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,400 Speaker 4: to every other player at that position in the league, 562 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 4: and like doing it at three point thirty and affecting 563 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 4: the quarterback the way that he is consistently. He's a special, 564 00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,919 Speaker 4: special player. So you have those two guys, and then 565 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 4: you drop in Brian Burns, who you know. 566 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 1: I think that there. 567 00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 4: Brian Burns never kind of got to that level. I 568 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 4: was hoping he would get where. He had those kind 569 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 4: of like von Miller flashes early in his career, but 570 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 4: he is still a dynamic player. When you would you 571 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 4: pair him with Thibodeau, with the dexter Lawrence, I still 572 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,359 Speaker 4: think that this can be a group that's consistently making 573 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 4: life hard for opposing offenses. 574 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 5: You love turf, You're good at it, so you start 575 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,239 Speaker 5: a turf biz business grows, your savings grow, become the 576 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:53,320 Speaker 5: most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all 577 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 5: that life brings? 578 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: Yeah? 579 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: I would to dive in one thing on Tibdau, one 580 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: thing on Burns first on Thibdau. 581 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:00,239 Speaker 2: And I've told Giant Fann this. 582 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 3: If you look at his pressure rate his rookie year 583 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: compared to last year, they're nearly identical, and you look 584 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:08,760 Speaker 3: at the sack difference. It went from I think, what 585 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 3: six is a rookie to eleven and a half last year, 586 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 3: So I think the sacks, let's see how that goes. 587 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 3: The evolution of Thibodau is a pass rusher is interesting. He's 588 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 3: been asked about this twice this offseason. I'm gonna try 589 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: to get him next week for a one on one 590 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:22,119 Speaker 3: to kind of dive into a little bit more. He 591 00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 3: asked how him and Brian MERT's cotton at each other, right, 592 00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 3: and he's answered that question that Burns is more of 593 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 3: your twitchy, bendy speed guy, and. 594 00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 2: Like, yeah, it makes sense. 595 00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:32,960 Speaker 3: Then he says, I consider myself more of a length 596 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 3: and power rusher, which I find interesting because when you 597 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 3: watched him coming out, that's not how I would define 598 00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:40,439 Speaker 3: Keevon tibber On how he wanted Oregon. So I think 599 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 3: he's trying to evolve a little bit as a pass rusher. 600 00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 3: And you know, one of the criticisms of coming out 601 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 3: that he didn't have the best bend to go with 602 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 3: that outside speed and burst. So I think he's trying 603 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 3: to maybe become more of a pocket pusher than become 604 00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 3: more of kind of like your outside speed guy, which 605 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:57,399 Speaker 3: is what I think all of us thought he was 606 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: going to try and be coming out of college. 607 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: That that makes sense. 608 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 4: I've really gotten to a place where I like to 609 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,760 Speaker 4: think about defensive lines just as complimentary pieces stylistically, right, So, 610 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:10,320 Speaker 4: like if you have a guy who's I was talking 611 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 4: to a defense corner about this recently, just the idea of 612 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 4: guys who are sack creators even if they aren't sack getters. 613 00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 4: So can you have guys within that group that are 614 00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 4: creating plays for other people? And a lot of those 615 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 4: guys are the power guys. 616 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:22,760 Speaker 1: You know. 617 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 4: DJ Reader was somebody that came up in that conversation 618 00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 4: where DJ Reader is pushing the pocket for that Lion's team. 619 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:31,479 Speaker 4: Does that make life easier on Aiden Hutchinson? So if 620 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:34,040 Speaker 4: you have Thibodeau kind of crushing the pocket from one side, 621 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,560 Speaker 4: and you have Dexter Lawrence crushing the pocket from the interior, 622 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 4: what does that do for a speed guy like Brian 623 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 4: Burns whose path to the quarterback may change when you 624 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 4: have those guys affecting the offensive line in the pocket 625 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,879 Speaker 4: in different ways. So I think it makes sense with 626 00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 4: Thibodau potentially leaning into that when you have somebody on 627 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,800 Speaker 4: Burns who has the exact opposite skill set. 628 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, and he has gotten a little bit better with 629 00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 3: his hand usage too. On Burns, I'm with you when 630 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 3: the Giants made that trade. I'm always one that hesitates. 631 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:00,719 Speaker 3: All right, Well, you got a pay the guy and 632 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,719 Speaker 3: give up a draft pick. That's two sets of assets. 633 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:04,960 Speaker 3: I'm usually generally not a fan of that, but a 634 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 3: pass rusher like that usually doesn't become available in free agency. 635 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 3: That's why you have to make that switch of trade. 636 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 3: And you know, you look at his sack total, he's 637 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,879 Speaker 3: only broken double digit sacks once in his careers. Pressure 638 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 3: rate is not up in the you know, the TJ Watt, 639 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 3: Michael Parsonaria And then I when I watched the tape 640 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 3: again when he got here, and I'm like, oh, I 641 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 3: remember why I thought this guy was phenomenal coming out 642 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 3: in college five years ago. He's got every move in 643 00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 3: the bag, spins, long arm power, he can win outside. 644 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 3: And I wonder when I take a look at some 645 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 3: of the sack leaders and the pressure leaders over the years, 646 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 3: a lot of them are on teams that are either 647 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 3: good or at least average, Right, And I think they 648 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 3: get to play with leads a lot, and if you 649 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 3: look at Brian Burns, he's been, frankly on one of 650 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:45,200 Speaker 3: the teams that have been the worst in football the 651 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,520 Speaker 3: last four or five years. So I wonder if the 652 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 3: Giants can actually get some leads this year, which is 653 00:25:50,359 --> 00:25:51,919 Speaker 3: something they've been very poor at, by the way. I 654 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 3: think they've been outscored worse than the first half than 655 00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: any other team the last two years. 656 00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:58,920 Speaker 2: If they can get some leads, I think maybe. 657 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 3: Burns production can pop m a little bit more if 658 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:03,119 Speaker 3: he's not always playing from behind, and then obviously that 659 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 3: changes the calculation for opposing offenses. 660 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 4: And just being in a defense with better pass rushers. 661 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,879 Speaker 4: You know, Derek Brown is a really good run defender, 662 00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 4: but he's not the pass rusher that Dexter Lawrence is, 663 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,240 Speaker 4: And so I think just being around better players, you know, 664 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:16,560 Speaker 4: can be helpful there as well. And we'll see what 665 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 4: the Brian Burns thing. I think you're right. I mean, 666 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: the Bears the exact same thing with Monta Sweat, where 667 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 4: you look at what the free agent market could potentially 668 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 4: look like and you say, you know what, I'm willing 669 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:26,280 Speaker 4: to pay a premium for this. 670 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 1: The only question. 671 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 4: I have about that is is that the right move 672 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:32,960 Speaker 4: at this stage in your franchise because you don't know 673 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,520 Speaker 4: what you're going to be paying the quarterback over the 674 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,879 Speaker 4: next couple of years. For a team like Chicago, it 675 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 4: was easy to understand because we know we're getting back 676 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 4: on that rookie quarterback contract. So I think we're a 677 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,280 Speaker 4: team like the Giants. It's a little bit more muddled 678 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:45,640 Speaker 4: in terms of their long term plan. How a guy 679 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:48,240 Speaker 4: like Brian Burns at that price fits in with everything 680 00:26:48,280 --> 00:26:50,920 Speaker 4: else that you have. But I understand this front office 681 00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 4: looking at the landscape and just saying we need to 682 00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,680 Speaker 4: be better. I mean, we just need to be better 683 00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,520 Speaker 4: in these spots because this is a really really important 684 00:26:58,560 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 4: year for us. 685 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: The final two questions here, Robin, and we really appreciate 686 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: the time. This has been great NFC East. I'm not 687 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 3: sure the Giants are quite to the level they could 688 00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 3: take advantage of it. But for the first time in years, 689 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,800 Speaker 3: I think I do see some vulnerability with Dallas and Philadelphia. 690 00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,000 Speaker 3: You know, Dallas, they just resigned Ceedee Lamb. But you 691 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:16,800 Speaker 3: know they have all their guys that are on the 692 00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 3: last year of their deals. They lost a ton of 693 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 3: talent in the offseasons. A lot of their depth is gone, 694 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 3: and then Philly frankly collapsed it in the last year. I 695 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,960 Speaker 3: know they have new coordinators and Nick Gianni, you know, super. 696 00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 2: Bowl all that stuff. 697 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 3: I get it, but boy, that seemed to not look 698 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 3: right at the end of last season. So I think 699 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,359 Speaker 3: I do see some vulnerabilities for the first time with 700 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 3: those two teams at the top of the NFC East. 701 00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 1: I think that's totally fair. 702 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:40,440 Speaker 4: With the Cowboys, I mean, they're already digging into the depth. 703 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 4: Last year, you have the benefit of after Trevon Diggs 704 00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 4: gets hurt, darn Blan is a backup corner for you. 705 00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:49,000 Speaker 4: You can step in and be a starter. Now darn 706 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:50,760 Speaker 4: Blan is a day one starter and he's out for 707 00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,200 Speaker 4: six to eight weeks. So the season has even started. 708 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 4: It's August twenty seventh, and you're already digging into that 709 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,640 Speaker 4: depth that you didn't have a couple of years ago, 710 00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 4: which I think that's really important too. Knowledge The same 711 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:02,480 Speaker 4: goes for their edge room. I mean, they had so 712 00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:04,440 Speaker 4: many guys that they could throw out there last year, 713 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 4: and now they're really going to be relying on like 714 00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:09,440 Speaker 4: a Marshaw Neeland, who they drafted in the second round immediately, 715 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 4: because a lot of that depth has moved on. The 716 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,679 Speaker 4: same thing goes to the offense. I mean, now you 717 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,080 Speaker 4: have Jalen Tolbert that you need to be a contributor 718 00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 4: for you in the passing game. You're relying on two 719 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,440 Speaker 4: rookies along the offensive line. They've shown an ability to 720 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,680 Speaker 4: develop guys in those spots. But there are a lot 721 00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 4: more roster questions about the Cowboys at this stage of 722 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 4: the calendar now than there have been over the last 723 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 4: couple of years. 724 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:28,520 Speaker 1: Philly. 725 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 4: There are very few roster questions. I mean, that team 726 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,760 Speaker 4: is absolutely loaded because of the way that they use 727 00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,080 Speaker 4: their assets and the way that they spend money. The 728 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 4: question is, what's everything else is going to look like? 729 00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 4: Do you have the coaches on each side of the 730 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 4: ball that can get the most out of that talent. 731 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 4: Can you kind of pull out of that tail spin 732 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,480 Speaker 4: that you were in offensively by switching to a different 733 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:51,200 Speaker 4: scheme that potentially gives you a little bit more flexibility 734 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 4: and some more answers. 735 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:53,040 Speaker 1: And I think that. 736 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 4: Overall, like when you move on from two coordinators in 737 00:28:56,160 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 4: a single offseason, the vibes aren't good, it's not the 738 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 4: building isn't thriving when those are the sorts of moves 739 00:29:03,120 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 4: that you're having to make. And that's kind of my 740 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 4: biggest pause with Philly is that I think they have talent. 741 00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:09,240 Speaker 4: I think that the guys that are now running the 742 00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,440 Speaker 4: offense and the defense, even if you may have your 743 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 4: qualms about them, they've shown an ability to produce effective 744 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,680 Speaker 4: units in the NFL. I think it's more just how 745 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 4: do we feel about like the state of that building 746 00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 4: and what's going on with the head coach and all 747 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 4: the other different considerations there. 748 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 3: Real quick before we do a wrap up question the 749 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 3: Giants the Commanders, I could see this being a disaster. 750 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 3: I got to be honest with the between their offensive 751 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 3: line and secondary I like, didn't love Jayden Daniels, but 752 00:29:33,040 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 3: in front of bad protection, I don't know. I know 753 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:36,760 Speaker 3: a lot of people behind the Commanders this year, man, 754 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 3: I could see that going really sideways. 755 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think that you look at the 756 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,920 Speaker 4: state of their offensive line, just the offense that they've 757 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 4: run in the preseason, which I know you don't want 758 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 4: to take put too much credit in, but just like, okay, 759 00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 4: what do we how afraid are you of the guys 760 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:54,280 Speaker 4: blocking up front? Like the fact that he threw that 761 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,000 Speaker 4: goal ball in the first game and he got yelled 762 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 4: at for it because they didn't want him to push 763 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 4: the ball down the field. I think that they're just 764 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,600 Speaker 4: hyper aware of what they need to ask of him 765 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 4: and and and potentially putting him in position that just 766 00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 4: keeps him safe through the entire season. And I have 767 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 4: questions about the receiving corps there. They traded Johan Dotson. 768 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,760 Speaker 4: Now it's essentially just Terry McLaurin and you know, a 769 00:30:14,920 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 4: Zach Ertz and some unproven young guys. And we'll see 770 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:20,480 Speaker 4: what happens with Cliff Kingsbury as an offensive coordinator again. 771 00:30:20,560 --> 00:30:22,239 Speaker 4: But you know, I think this is a team that 772 00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 4: there are a lot of questions that I have heading 773 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 4: into the year, and I don't know how bullish I 774 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 4: am and what the answers will eventually be. 775 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 3: Finally, paint the Rosie picture. What does a good Giant 776 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 3: season look like to you? 777 00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: Just consistently competitive? 778 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 4: You know, one of those teams that it feels like 779 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 4: the floor is just higher than it was last year. 780 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 4: I think I think that's the biggest difference is you know, 781 00:30:42,840 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 4: they're going out there last year and they're just holding 782 00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,680 Speaker 4: on for dear life to even field a functional NFL 783 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:53,920 Speaker 4: offense being a team again. That's just the ideas are exciting, 784 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,680 Speaker 4: even if the players aren't necessarily all the way there, 785 00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 4: and we get to a place by the end of 786 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 4: the season where it's like, all right, I can buy 787 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 4: into this group, like I can buy into this coaching staff, 788 00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 4: I can buy into this front office. This is heading 789 00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 4: back in a direction that Giants fans can feel good about. 790 00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:11,239 Speaker 4: If that's the case, I don't think it matters if 791 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 4: you win seven games or nine games. I don't the 792 00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 4: number doesn't really matter. I think it's more about where 793 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:18,520 Speaker 4: the arrow is pointed by the time the season is over. 794 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I want to walk The Giants are playing ad 795 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,360 Speaker 3: Dallas on Thanksgiving. I want to walk into that game thinking, 796 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 3: all right, this game matters for something, you know, just 797 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,600 Speaker 3: you know, just just be just be in the mix 798 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,440 Speaker 3: in some way, shape or form all r Robert Forre 799 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:28,840 Speaker 3: say goodbye. 800 00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 2: Te the folks. Where you'll find all your great content. 801 00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 4: Anyway, find your podcast, The Athletic Football Show. We do 802 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 4: it three times a week. 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