WEBVTT - John Krasinski - Pt. 2 0:00:05.400 --> 0:00:08.280 Oh, I'm John Krasinski and I played Jim Helbert on 0:00:08.320 --> 0:00:20.079 The Office. Hello everyone, thanks for stopping by today. You 0:00:20.079 --> 0:00:23.079 know what today feels like, Well, it feels like the 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.280 perfect day for a new episode of the Office Deep Dive. 0:00:27.520 --> 0:00:29.560 Do you see what I did? I am your host 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:33.840 Brian Baumgartner, and I am beyond excited, giddy in fact, 0:00:34.280 --> 0:00:37.239 to bring back my main man, John Krasinski for the 0:00:37.320 --> 0:00:40.159 second half of our conversation today, and boy, are you 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:45.640 in for a treat because this time we go deep. Okay, 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:49.159 we always go deep, but seriously, I made him blush. 0:00:49.800 --> 0:00:52.559 I made him cry. Well, he didn't quite cry, but 0:00:52.840 --> 0:00:55.720 he did go into details of the way he cries, 0:00:56.000 --> 0:01:00.320 which is all in like everything else he does. I 0:01:00.400 --> 0:01:04.520 even got to well or I was forced to hear 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:09.520 his sexy voice in my brain, and if I'm honest, 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.160 I would be okay never hearing that again. But maybe 0:01:13.400 --> 0:01:16.319 you'll feel differently now. If you've been listening to this 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:19.360 podcast since the very beginning, you've heard me talk about 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.680 how the Office is a family a few times. Well, 0:01:23.800 --> 0:01:27.560 John really gets into why that's the case and why 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:31.240 the Office is not just a family. For the cast 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:35.120 and crew who were there, but for you too, Yes, you, 0:01:35.360 --> 0:01:38.800 the person listening to this right now. So few shows 0:01:39.280 --> 0:01:43.000 have been able to cross that threshold where it really 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.800 feels like you know the characters that you're watching on 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:49.240 screen and not to tute our own horns, but I 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:54.280 really think with this show we achieved that. And that's why, 0:01:54.680 --> 0:01:59.240 no matter how many movies he directs, or how successful 0:01:59.480 --> 0:02:03.920 he becomes, how many billboards he is on, John Krasinski 0:02:04.080 --> 0:02:10.960 will always be Jim Halpert, Everyone's favorite goofy haired prankster. 0:02:11.840 --> 0:02:16.680 So please join me in welcoming back, my old friend 0:02:17.000 --> 0:02:27.480 and yours, John Krasinski. Bubble and Squeak, I love Bubble 0:02:27.520 --> 0:02:33.959 and Squigan. Bubble and Squeaker cook at every month lift 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:48.240 over from the Night Before. The Office was constructed in 0:02:48.280 --> 0:02:53.640 the opposite way than most comedies, or certainly television comedies, 0:02:53.680 --> 0:02:59.360 where typically the leads are the young lovers and then 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:04.919 you've got a crazy uncle or the crazy boss that 0:03:04.919 --> 0:03:10.280 that is back in the corner coming No um. This 0:03:10.320 --> 0:03:14.760 show was the reverse which which is which? Which was 0:03:14.800 --> 0:03:19.920 putting and specifically the moments and examining like why Jim 0:03:19.960 --> 0:03:23.840 and Pam, like why that relationship became so important to people? 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:27.680 And so charged was people weren't watching a half hour 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:31.200 of it. They were just stealing a moment from the corner, 0:03:31.840 --> 0:03:36.000 which makes you like, I want to lean forward. And 0:03:36.040 --> 0:03:41.560 the other thing was there's an idea that when you generalize, 0:03:41.640 --> 0:03:45.200 it becomes more universal, right, like this is generally who 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:49.960 this guy is from this midwestern town. But the amount 0:03:49.960 --> 0:03:55.040 of specificity and reality both in those moments between Jim 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:58.760 and Dwight and Jim and Pam. The opposite is true 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.640 that the more ccific you get, that the character has 0:04:03.720 --> 0:04:08.960 become infinitely more real and therefore universal and relatable. To me, 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.120 that idea is is interesting. No, I think it's I 0:04:12.120 --> 0:04:14.160 think it's really true, and I think that's sort of 0:04:14.160 --> 0:04:18.200 the magic trick of the show is. And I don't 0:04:18.279 --> 0:04:21.280 I don't know the specifics of why it's so huge now. 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.600 I mean, it's mind blowing to me. A four year 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:26.520 old came up to me at the airport and was like, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:29.160 it's my favorite show and I was like, do you 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:31.520 get any of it? And they're like, yeah, like it 0:04:31.960 --> 0:04:34.880 totally universal, like you said. But I also think that 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.320 the stakes were set up so wonderfully because that's real life, right. 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:42.039 I think when you're in love with someone, especially someone 0:04:42.080 --> 0:04:45.400 at work. You very much look forward to those interactions 0:04:45.400 --> 0:04:47.080 at work, but that means that when you go home, 0:04:47.279 --> 0:04:49.599 in your home life with your friends or whatever else 0:04:49.600 --> 0:04:52.400 you're doing, you will not see that person. So you 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.240 are sort of, I don't know, tantalized by the idea 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.080 that like, when I get that moment, I'll savor it. 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:00.159 And I think that's real life, and that's what did 0:05:00.200 --> 0:05:03.320 in the show. I particularly, I'm thinking right now about 0:05:03.320 --> 0:05:05.600 the relationship with Roy, you know what I mean. It's 0:05:05.640 --> 0:05:09.159 like it's like lighting a fuse that might blow six 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:12.520 weeks from now, but it was a very specific fuse, right, 0:05:12.600 --> 0:05:16.480 So the first time you saw me and David together, 0:05:17.240 --> 0:05:19.839 people were like, oh, okay, so you just told me 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:23.839 that this is a potentially explosive thing, and then we 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.200 didn't go into it. You'd reference him a couple of times, 0:05:26.200 --> 0:05:29.599 and it was very specific references, and she said that 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:31.120 he brought me to the game and left me at 0:05:31.160 --> 0:05:34.520 the arena, like things like that, where you're just slowly 0:05:34.600 --> 0:05:38.640 leading the breadcrumbs back to the trigger, and then by 0:05:38.640 --> 0:05:43.440 the time he comes in and pushes me, you're so 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:46.520 invested in that. Not in a television way I think 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:50.320 in like a like these people are my friends, Oh right, 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:53.840 my friend as much as I love them together, is 0:05:53.920 --> 0:05:57.039 trying to go after a girl who's taken. That's real 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:00.640 life steaks rather than TV steaks. And I think that's 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.600 what made it like the first time that we accidentally 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.760 kissed at Dundees and like that's real life, whereas a 0:06:07.800 --> 0:06:11.120 regular television show would have a big, huge kiss sing 0:06:11.320 --> 0:06:14.120 like they finally got together and it was I remember 0:06:14.120 --> 0:06:16.000 reading that script and being like, man, that is so 0:06:16.680 --> 0:06:19.480 smart that have the audience be like did they just kiss? 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.560 And it's and not give them what they thought they want. 0:06:22.640 --> 0:06:24.720 It was so because that's how I felt. I felt like, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:26.520 oh my god, I thought we're gonna do some huge 0:06:26.600 --> 0:06:30.000 kissing and instead she just did it at Dundees and 0:06:30.040 --> 0:06:33.320 you're like, oh my god. And of course I would 0:06:33.320 --> 0:06:36.160 have stewed on that for months and been like was 0:06:36.200 --> 0:06:40.640 that did that count? Was she just drunk? Rather than 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:42.920 if it was a big kiss scene where I took 0:06:42.920 --> 0:06:46.240 her out back and like, you know, made some huge overture, 0:06:46.320 --> 0:06:49.240 you'd be like, oh good, I'm being entertained by this moment. 0:06:49.279 --> 0:06:52.080 But I don't feel anything. I'm not connected I don't 0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.000 know if any of that made sense. No, that's so smart, 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:59.279 I think. I um, I think people see themselves in 0:06:59.279 --> 0:07:01.800 the show, and it's a combination I would imagine of 0:07:01.839 --> 0:07:04.640 every character, you know. I don't think you look at 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.760 one character and you go like, oh, I'm Michael. I 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:11.080 hope you're not Michael. But it's more like, oh, man, 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.080 I have a co worker that loves cats, and I 0:07:14.120 --> 0:07:17.280 have a coworker that drives me insane. I don't know. 0:07:17.320 --> 0:07:23.360 Maybe that's it, And certainly people have bosses that are crazy, right, Yeah, 0:07:23.400 --> 0:07:26.120 it's what you were talking about, I think is so true. 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:32.320 I had a conversation with Greg where traditional sitcoms there's 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.920 a rhythm, there's a rhythm to the joke. It's it's 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:40.320 totally on the beat. And I think that in the 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:45.040 relationship between Jim and Pam, everything happened off of the beat, 0:07:45.240 --> 0:07:50.600 not at the time you expected, right from moments way early, 0:07:50.880 --> 0:07:53.960 like right like in terms of like the progression. But 0:07:54.040 --> 0:07:56.560 then also what Greg talked about a little bit was 0:07:56.680 --> 0:08:01.160 once it got to a certain point that he was like, well, 0:08:01.480 --> 0:08:03.840 we need to get them together, Like I'm not going 0:08:03.880 --> 0:08:08.640 to create artificial impediments that make everybody go like, come 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:11.520 on right, because I think he had brought this audience 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:16.160 in to a very seemingly realistic relationship. So if you 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:19.960 started doing weird things that felt fake, then people wouldn't 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:24.320 relate to it anymore. I'm saying, like, I love I 0:08:24.360 --> 0:08:27.239 can admit on this podcast. I was never like a 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:31.400 casting No. I wasn't really great with dating, and I 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.679 feel and I think that's what's so great about the 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:36.959 show is how do you go about that? Like how 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:41.560 do you start a relationship with someone who's already with someone? 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.640 It's a great place to start, and then just you know, slowly, 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:48.720 you know. I remember also how bold it was that 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:52.160 when you thought you would do something, you know, like 0:08:52.200 --> 0:08:55.679 proposed to her, he would write an entire episode where 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:56.959 you're like, oh man, and at the end, this is 0:08:56.960 --> 0:08:59.319 gonna be the proposal because again in TV, you know 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:03.000 that like the big scenes are coming, and he wouldn't 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:05.280 do it. And then when I did propose, I love 0:09:05.360 --> 0:09:07.079 that talking head where I was like, I've been planning 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:10.800 on this forever, like I love that, you know. Um, 0:09:11.200 --> 0:09:18.320 I've said to people that nothing shut down production like 0:09:18.440 --> 0:09:22.520 an important gem and pan moment, like when there were 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:27.000 moments between the two down. No, I mean like shut 0:09:27.080 --> 0:09:31.560 it down right right, like like like you're blushing right now. 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.920 But it's I mean like Casino night and not and 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:38.800 not just one, two different moments in Casino Night because 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.680 the relationship was so important to the two of you 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.679 and getting it right totally. I remember those two moments 0:09:44.760 --> 0:09:46.760 very well. I remember the parking lot Yeah, it's funny 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:48.680 now that you say that, Yeah, which must have been 0:09:48.679 --> 0:09:51.960 frustrating for you, Like, oh, you'd be like, oh, please 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:56.080 just get me out of here before they filmed this, 0:09:56.240 --> 0:10:01.079 or it's going to be seven hours. Well we were 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:04.000 in there that seven hours. But again I had never 0:10:04.040 --> 0:10:07.360 experienced anything else, so that was weird for me. Was 0:10:07.440 --> 0:10:10.959 I remember like there was an energy around those moments. 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:15.000 I remember. I remember so many different things, but I 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.839 remember that parking lot scene. I remember not knowing where 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:20.880 Matt was and Ken wouldn't tell me, and he was like, 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:22.640 don't worry about it, just do the scene or whatever, 0:10:22.679 --> 0:10:24.200 you know, and I thought that was cool. And then 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.680 certainly I remember the like the big moment, the big 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:31.080 kiss that was shut down, like that was nobody was 0:10:31.120 --> 0:10:34.080 on set, nobody was around the craft service table, but 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:36.640 I didn't know that was happening. So I walked on, 0:10:37.000 --> 0:10:38.719 you know, ready to joke with folks, and they were 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:41.240 like not wanting to make eye contact with me, and 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:42.960 I was like, what happened? I feel like I said 0:10:42.960 --> 0:10:45.160 something to you, like I was going on. I know. 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.400 I kind of remember that too. And then it made 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:49.360 me more nervous because then they were like, all right, now, 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:51.840 maybe you should go out the door and whenever you're ready, 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:53.640 come in. And I was like, what's happening. There is 0:10:53.679 --> 0:10:55.760 no I'm gonna call action, and they're like, no, man, 0:10:56.960 --> 0:11:01.320 well do you remember that night? I remember, I remember 0:11:01.320 --> 0:11:03.760 because you were so frustrated you were still there. No, 0:11:04.280 --> 0:11:07.640 I just I remember it being so big. I think 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:12.439 the thing that I am most proud of artistically he 0:11:12.559 --> 0:11:14.559 is not blowing your top in that moment in the 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:22.320 shot in the show was every single shot where the 0:11:22.480 --> 0:11:27.000 camera was positioned, just the discussion about are the cameras 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:29.200 in the room, Are the characters aware the cameras in 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.880 the room, How does that change behavior based on the 0:11:31.880 --> 0:11:34.160 fact that the cameras are in the room or if 0:11:34.160 --> 0:11:36.280 they think that they're alone. And I think that at 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:39.640 that moment, specifically, at the end of Casino Night. You 0:11:39.720 --> 0:11:42.880 see the slats in the blinds and them shooting and 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:46.840 catching you guys that they're such an intimacy, you know. 0:11:46.880 --> 0:11:49.920 It's like Randall and Matt were to my favorite people 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.640 on Earth and I couldn't see them, and like, I 0:11:53.679 --> 0:11:55.839 don't even think I got to see the set before 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:57.600 I went up, you know what I mean? Like it 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.959 was also weird, and I'm sure for a better actor 0:12:01.040 --> 0:12:02.760 you'd think like, oh, that's what you need, right, And 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:04.880 so I was like I am a terrible actor because 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:07.480 I don't know, I'm nervous, and maybe that was the intention, 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:09.920 but I was like, I don't even know. Remember, Randall 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:13.080 wasn't anywhere, and usually I was like what are we doing? 0:12:13.160 --> 0:12:15.360 Like what what? What? What? How? Where do you want 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:18.480 me to be? Whenever? And it was really weird. I 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:20.760 was so freaked out. And I remember I was on 0:12:20.800 --> 0:12:23.560 set for a while before Jenna got onto because Jenna 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.920 was taking her moment, which is fine, but again I 0:12:25.960 --> 0:12:30.520 was so not knowing of that world that I didn't 0:12:30.520 --> 0:12:33.520 know that I could take thirty minutes in my trailer 0:12:33.559 --> 0:12:35.880 to prepare. Mentally, I was like, mentally, what's happened? And 0:12:35.920 --> 0:12:38.080 then I got so much more scared, and I was like, 0:12:38.120 --> 0:12:39.600 you know, then you start to think, like, oh god, 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:42.079 I didn't do my homework and she's doing her homework. Right. 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.719 Were you on board with the trajectory of Jim and 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.439 Pam's relationship, like just in terms of the timing, did 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:54.520 you have concerns about it happening to soon? No, it 0:12:54.640 --> 0:12:58.400 sounds like a hallmark version of Greg, but I truly 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:01.000 and Greg I trusted. I could tell that he had 0:13:01.000 --> 0:13:02.480 to beat on it. He was always so nice to 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.440 involve Jenna, and I remember that he would tell you 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.160 kind of when things were going to happen, and he 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.200 would remind you in scenes, you know, don't worry. This 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:13.040 isn't the moment that's going to lead to this, that 0:13:13.080 --> 0:13:16.439 will happen later, like he he had it all tracked out. Also, 0:13:16.480 --> 0:13:19.040 we were what in season five or six by the 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:21.640 time that I was in that motel with that other 0:13:21.679 --> 0:13:23.720 girl and stuff like that, And that's the only time 0:13:23.760 --> 0:13:26.400 I remember putting whatever, put my foot down, not really, 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:28.040 but I remember I got that was the only time 0:13:28.080 --> 0:13:31.360 I was very much against because he was saying, you're 0:13:31.400 --> 0:13:33.920 going to actually make out with her in this scene, 0:13:33.920 --> 0:13:37.040 and that was the episode I directed. Yes, that's right, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.640 that's the bed Bucks And I don't remember. It might 0:13:40.679 --> 0:13:43.760 have been an earlier version about you guys making out, 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:46.679 but I remember that was the only time we had 0:13:46.720 --> 0:13:48.920 like a it was like a bad, negative moment. But 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:50.760 I remember being in a room and it was like 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:55.520 I remember finding myself kind of saying things that I 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:57.839 never thought i'd say before, like I'm not going to 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:01.320 shoot it. I remember Paul Lieberstein was in the room. 0:14:01.440 --> 0:14:03.240 He was like, no, you you will do it in 0:14:03.280 --> 0:14:05.480 an aggressive way, but it was like he saw the 0:14:05.520 --> 0:14:09.360 benefit of doing it. And I remember saying to Greg, 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:13.160 there's a threshold with which you can push our audience. 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:17.160 They are so dedicated, we have shown such great respect 0:14:17.160 --> 0:14:19.600 to them. There's a level of messing with them that 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:21.440 you've done, like in a great way. I mean like 0:14:21.520 --> 0:14:24.200 you've messed with them by the whole kiss happening too early. 0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:26.840 And I think there's a moment where if you push 0:14:26.840 --> 0:14:28.920 them too far, they'll never come back. And I think 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.720 that if you show Jim to be cheating, they'll never 0:14:32.760 --> 0:14:37.080 come back. Yeah, And I what did you think? That's right? 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:40.120 You directed? What what was your field? Well? My recollection, Well, 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:42.480 It was never that you were going to make out, 0:14:42.640 --> 0:14:46.800 but it was about there was what was the line? 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:50.280 How far can we go? I was supposed to kiss 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.520 her in that bathroom. I remember that's what they were pitching, 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:54.680 and I was like, I don't know that that's going 0:14:54.720 --> 0:14:58.800 to go well for us. But even just you being 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:03.000 in a room him with her, you know, how would 0:15:03.040 --> 0:15:06.120 you behave even if you didn't think the cameras were there, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:08.840 because the cameras were shooting from outside and they weren't 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:13.080 in the room except when Dwight came in. Um. Anyway, 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:18.800 the whole point is the passion for which you fought 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:24.080 and Jenna fought and Greg like that. Everybody was collaboratively. 0:15:24.400 --> 0:15:26.880 Oh that's why it wasn't a negative fight. It was 0:15:26.920 --> 0:15:30.400 a big conversation because again it was so important to everybody. Yeah, 0:15:30.440 --> 0:15:32.600 but also I had trusted Greg up to that point, 0:15:32.640 --> 0:15:34.520 and it was really hard for me to say, I 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:58.960 think we're actually making the wrong decision, right, so Steve, Well, 0:15:58.960 --> 0:16:01.920 I'm gonna start with us. When you found out that 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:05.640 Steve was leaving, Oh yeah, what did you think was 0:16:05.680 --> 0:16:11.280 the greater loss, Michael or Steve? Jesus, It's like a 0:16:12.360 --> 0:16:19.040 existential crack right there in the Yeah, my brain literally 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:24.920 just melted. Oh my god. I mean, it's weird, right. 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.840 I think there might be one of those esoteric, kind 0:16:28.840 --> 0:16:32.920 of actory bogus things that happened, which is we kind 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:37.280 of started blending ourselves and our characters because we spent 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.240 so much time together, and Steve and I had a 0:16:41.240 --> 0:16:44.120 really wonderful relationship We started because we were both from 0:16:44.160 --> 0:16:48.200 Boston and we really had a great friendship, and even 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:50.000 though we didn't hang out all that much, I felt 0:16:50.120 --> 0:16:53.040 very deeply connected to him, and he was always so nice. 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:55.920 So I think that I think I have to be 0:16:55.960 --> 0:17:00.320 honest and say it was losing Steve because as much 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:03.200 as he was so good on the show, his presence 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.639 on the set was fantastic and mean he was. He 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.720 was as professional as it gets. He was your clean 0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:12.919 up hitter, just crushed everything that he was thrown. And 0:17:12.960 --> 0:17:14.840 so I think I'm saying I think what I'm getting 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:18.159 at is, in that moment, it felt like the end 0:17:18.160 --> 0:17:20.280 of an era. It felt like the the end of 0:17:20.359 --> 0:17:23.800 something more than even losing Steve or losing Michael. It 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:26.160 felt like the end of our show in a way, 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:31.120 or that evolution of our show. It's like when you 0:17:31.680 --> 0:17:35.800 graduate college, your life isn't over, but that version of 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.960 your life will never come back. You'll never have your 0:17:40.040 --> 0:17:44.680 college years again or your high school years again. Um, 0:17:44.760 --> 0:17:46.359 that's what it felt like. I felt like we were 0:17:46.359 --> 0:17:49.960 graduating college that day. I'm trying to figure it out 0:17:50.000 --> 0:17:53.760 in real time. Why I cried so hard when we 0:17:53.800 --> 0:17:57.879 did that scene. I also remember him crying, and I 0:17:57.920 --> 0:18:00.760 was not expecting that. I thought that he was so 0:18:01.160 --> 0:18:03.720 good at comedy that he was able to be like, 0:18:03.760 --> 0:18:05.639 it's just a scene, then will cry after or not 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:09.119 or whatever. And the energy in that room was so 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:13.000 thick and palpable that when they called action or go ahead, 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.520 I remember Steve tiered up right away, and that was 0:18:16.600 --> 0:18:18.560 so unlike him. Not that he was an emotionless but 0:18:18.560 --> 0:18:20.840 it was like it was so unlike him to let 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.800 real life bleed into the moment, right. I think, I think, 0:18:23.840 --> 0:18:26.680 I actually remember. The actual number was seventeen takes of 0:18:26.920 --> 0:18:32.240 not even speaking, just just dribbling crying. For me, it's 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.280 I mean, you talked about it, you were waiting tables. 0:18:37.160 --> 0:18:41.360 I was doing theater for you know, some class, sometimes 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:45.880 seventeen people you know or whatever, Like everybody we all 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:50.480 grew up together, and there was like Greg as like 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.960 our on set dad, but like Steve as like the 0:18:55.040 --> 0:18:57.920 greatest brother you could have. Yeah. Yeah, it was like 0:18:57.960 --> 0:19:02.879 the steady brother, you know, whether it's like John Steinbecker, 0:19:03.400 --> 0:19:05.840 Arthur Miller, like there was always like a steady brother 0:19:06.720 --> 0:19:09.199 and we were all the crazy people and he was 0:19:09.200 --> 0:19:11.520 always really steady. Yeah no, But I mean I was 0:19:11.560 --> 0:19:15.600 twenty three years old when we started shooting season one, 0:19:16.400 --> 0:19:19.880 and I look back and I'm like, I basically graduated college, 0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:24.600 had two and a half years. Like I was shot 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:30.080 out of a literal canon, because my my life wasn't 0:19:30.119 --> 0:19:33.640 real life. I was living in a fantasy camp because 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.320 every day I was going to work on something I 0:19:35.359 --> 0:19:37.200 loved and something that was edgy and fun, and I 0:19:37.200 --> 0:19:39.399 would have watched in anyway. But like you said, we 0:19:39.400 --> 0:19:43.159 were also intermingling in a way that was such perfection. 0:19:43.520 --> 0:19:46.400 I've never been on a job since where every single 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:51.200 human being, from crew member to you know, actor was 0:19:51.359 --> 0:19:54.680 so in tune and such a family. I always felt 0:19:54.720 --> 0:19:56.960 bad for the guests actors. Did you feel that? And 0:19:57.080 --> 0:20:00.119 you had to pop in for one episode? Oh? And 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:02.440 I thought that must be awful, because here I am 0:20:02.480 --> 0:20:04.680 being like, right, who you picking up in the second 0:20:04.760 --> 0:20:07.399 round of fantasy and like They're like, no, this is 0:20:07.440 --> 0:20:09.840 a big show, and I'm like, it's not. It's fine. 0:20:10.560 --> 0:20:12.240 I mean of your m and m's are like just 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:15.520 goofing off and then like throwing things at each other 0:20:15.560 --> 0:20:17.440 in the middle of scenes, and people were probably like, dude, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.040 this is my big break. We were trying to throw 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:24.320 stuff at each other when the camera, when the camera 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:26.760 wasn't on us. We were throwing a football in the 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:28.360 middle and I remember there were a couple of people 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.760 who were like, did not like the football throw? Yeah, 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:33.720 stop you jackasses, And I was like, what's the big deal? 0:20:34.440 --> 0:20:37.240 And yeah, like Amy Adams, I thought did the best 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.080 job of it. She came in and somehow felt like 0:20:40.160 --> 0:20:43.199 she was always on the show. Remember she wasn't the 0:20:43.200 --> 0:20:47.560 original purse girl did kill someone else. And then all 0:20:47.600 --> 0:20:49.400 of a sudden Amy showed up and I was like, oh, 0:20:49.560 --> 0:20:53.600 there's been a recast and she was not nervous, not scared, 0:20:53.760 --> 0:20:56.840 came in and was like yeah, I'm I'm not taking 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:59.399 this too seriously either. I'm just super good at my 0:20:59.480 --> 0:21:02.359 job and then crushed. It was one of the best 0:21:02.359 --> 0:21:06.199 storylines we've ever had. I love that storyline because I 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.560 loved how she ended her character where she was understanding 0:21:10.840 --> 0:21:15.159 of how much I loved Pam and you're like that 0:21:15.240 --> 0:21:19.119 was also Rob Wriggle, Right, that was Riggles Booze, Cris 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:22.760 Riggle god, one of the funniest human beings I've ever 0:21:22.800 --> 0:21:25.960 met in my life. Do you remember anything about that? 0:21:26.200 --> 0:21:28.760 Speaking of boost Cruise, the twenty seven seconds of silence, 0:21:29.000 --> 0:21:33.480 that was a big deal for the fans. I remember 0:21:33.960 --> 0:21:35.720 was there a discussion when we were shooting. I remember 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:37.680 I felt it was a big deal when someone gave 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:40.320 me the number of twenty seven seconds, because if someone 0:21:40.400 --> 0:21:43.840 counted it surely wasn't us, and so it had aired 0:21:44.000 --> 0:21:45.720 and someone timed it, which meant that it was a 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:48.200 big enough deal to time it rather than remember how 0:21:48.359 --> 0:21:50.879 silent they were. I remember that. I also remember, do 0:21:50.880 --> 0:21:54.040 you remember we had shot to like the wee hours 0:21:54.040 --> 0:21:56.159 and the sun was cracking and we drove back on 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.720 a boat and it it conked out. It conked out, Yeah, 0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:03.840 And we were in pitch black water, like terrifying, scary, 0:22:04.040 --> 0:22:08.040 shark infested, shark infested water, and we were just kind 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:09.760 of crapped out on a tiny boat and we were 0:22:09.800 --> 0:22:13.600 all exhausted and the other boat got there just in time. 0:22:13.600 --> 0:22:16.000 They had left and we were like, this is gonna 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:20.359 be a while. Remember that was terrifying. Yeah, I remember 0:22:20.359 --> 0:22:24.320 Phillis was on our boat. It was you Phillis. It 0:22:24.440 --> 0:22:27.000 wasn't coopas he got off on the good one. Was 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:32.359 it Angela? I think Angela was there anyway? Was that 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:37.920 season two? Well? And that was the episode. As we're filming, 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:42.919 you know, seven pm to seven am. I wake up 0:22:42.960 --> 0:22:46.679 from like sleeping all during the day and have like 0:22:47.600 --> 0:22:51.720 seventy four messages from my agents saying the office wants 0:22:51.760 --> 0:22:54.760 to make you a serious regular. Where are you? I 0:22:54.800 --> 0:22:57.480 remember that. I remember being in the parking lot before 0:22:57.520 --> 0:23:00.520 we went to the boat, and you were very nice 0:23:00.560 --> 0:23:01.879 to say, I want to talk to you about this 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:03.359 and get your take on it. And we talked a 0:23:03.359 --> 0:23:07.160 lot about it. You took none of my advice, No, 0:23:07.160 --> 0:23:10.800 none of them. Um, did you think the show could 0:23:10.840 --> 0:23:15.200 go forward? When Steve laughed, I knew the show could 0:23:15.280 --> 0:23:18.560 go forward. I didn't know what the plan was. I 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:22.960 couldn't see through the trees. Um. But again that's where 0:23:22.960 --> 0:23:26.399 I really trusted Greg. I remember when they came to 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:30.680