1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: Oh, I'm John Krasinski and I played Jim Helbert on 2 00:00:08,320 --> 00:00:20,079 Speaker 1: The Office. Hello everyone, thanks for stopping by today. You 3 00:00:20,079 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: know what today feels like, Well, it feels like the 4 00:00:23,160 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 1: perfect day for a new episode of the Office Deep Dive. 5 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: Do you see what I did? I am your host 6 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: Brian Baumgartner, and I am beyond excited, giddy in fact, 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:37,239 Speaker 1: to bring back my main man, John Krasinski for the 8 00:00:37,320 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: second half of our conversation today, and boy, are you 9 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: in for a treat because this time we go deep. Okay, 10 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:49,159 Speaker 1: we always go deep, but seriously, I made him blush. 11 00:00:49,800 --> 00:00:52,559 Speaker 1: I made him cry. Well, he didn't quite cry, but 12 00:00:52,840 --> 00:00:55,720 Speaker 1: he did go into details of the way he cries, 13 00:00:56,000 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: which is all in like everything else he does. I 14 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: even got to well or I was forced to hear 15 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: his sexy voice in my brain, and if I'm honest, 16 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 1: I would be okay never hearing that again. But maybe 17 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,319 Speaker 1: you'll feel differently now. If you've been listening to this 18 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: podcast since the very beginning, you've heard me talk about 19 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,680 Speaker 1: how the Office is a family a few times. Well, 20 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 1: John really gets into why that's the case and why 21 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:31,240 Speaker 1: the Office is not just a family. For the cast 22 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:35,120 Speaker 1: and crew who were there, but for you too, Yes, you, 23 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 1: the person listening to this right now. So few shows 24 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,000 Speaker 1: have been able to cross that threshold where it really 25 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: feels like you know the characters that you're watching on 26 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 1: screen and not to tute our own horns, but I 27 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: really think with this show we achieved that. And that's why, 28 00:01:54,680 --> 00:01:59,240 Speaker 1: no matter how many movies he directs, or how successful 29 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:03,920 Speaker 1: he becomes, how many billboards he is on, John Krasinski 30 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 1: will always be Jim Halpert, Everyone's favorite goofy haired prankster. 31 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: So please join me in welcoming back, my old friend 32 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: and yours, John Krasinski. Bubble and Squeak, I love Bubble 33 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 1: and Squigan. Bubble and Squeaker cook at every month lift 34 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:48,240 Speaker 1: over from the Night Before. The Office was constructed in 35 00:02:48,280 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 1: the opposite way than most comedies, or certainly television comedies, 36 00:02:53,680 --> 00:02:59,360 Speaker 1: where typically the leads are the young lovers and then 37 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: you've got a crazy uncle or the crazy boss that 38 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: that is back in the corner coming No um. This 39 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,760 Speaker 1: show was the reverse which which is which? Which was 40 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:19,920 Speaker 1: putting and specifically the moments and examining like why Jim 41 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: and Pam, like why that relationship became so important to people? 42 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: And so charged was people weren't watching a half hour 43 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 1: of it. They were just stealing a moment from the corner, 44 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: which makes you like, I want to lean forward. And 45 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: the other thing was there's an idea that when you generalize, 46 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: it becomes more universal, right, like this is generally who 47 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 1: this guy is from this midwestern town. But the amount 48 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: of specificity and reality both in those moments between Jim 49 00:03:55,040 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: and Dwight and Jim and Pam. The opposite is true 50 00:03:59,080 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: that the more ccific you get, that the character has 51 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: become infinitely more real and therefore universal and relatable. To me, 52 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: that idea is is interesting. No, I think it's I 53 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: think it's really true, and I think that's sort of 54 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: the magic trick of the show is. And I don't 55 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:21,280 Speaker 1: I don't know the specifics of why it's so huge now. 56 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: I mean, it's mind blowing to me. A four year 57 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:26,520 Speaker 1: old came up to me at the airport and was like, 58 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,160 Speaker 1: it's my favorite show and I was like, do you 59 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: get any of it? And they're like, yeah, like it 60 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: totally universal, like you said. But I also think that 61 00:04:34,880 --> 00:04:38,320 Speaker 1: the stakes were set up so wonderfully because that's real life, right. 62 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:42,039 Speaker 1: I think when you're in love with someone, especially someone 63 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: at work. You very much look forward to those interactions 64 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: at work, but that means that when you go home, 65 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,599 Speaker 1: in your home life with your friends or whatever else 66 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: you're doing, you will not see that person. So you 67 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: are sort of, I don't know, tantalized by the idea 68 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,080 Speaker 1: that like, when I get that moment, I'll savor it. 69 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:00,159 Speaker 1: And I think that's real life, and that's what did 70 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: in the show. I particularly, I'm thinking right now about 71 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: the relationship with Roy, you know what I mean. It's 72 00:05:05,640 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: like it's like lighting a fuse that might blow six 73 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,520 Speaker 1: weeks from now, but it was a very specific fuse, right, 74 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:16,480 Speaker 1: So the first time you saw me and David together, 75 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: people were like, oh, okay, so you just told me 76 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: that this is a potentially explosive thing, and then we 77 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: didn't go into it. You'd reference him a couple of times, 78 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: and it was very specific references, and she said that 79 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: he brought me to the game and left me at 80 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 1: the arena, like things like that, where you're just slowly 81 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: leading the breadcrumbs back to the trigger, and then by 82 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 1: the time he comes in and pushes me, you're so 83 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,520 Speaker 1: invested in that. Not in a television way I think 84 00:05:46,520 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 1: in like a like these people are my friends, Oh right, 85 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: my friend as much as I love them together, is 86 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:57,039 Speaker 1: trying to go after a girl who's taken. That's real 87 00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: life steaks rather than TV steaks. And I think that's 88 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: what made it like the first time that we accidentally 89 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: kissed at Dundees and like that's real life, whereas a 90 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: regular television show would have a big, huge kiss sing 91 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 1: like they finally got together and it was I remember 92 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: reading that script and being like, man, that is so 93 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: smart that have the audience be like did they just kiss? 94 00:06:19,520 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: And it's and not give them what they thought they want. 95 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 1: It was so because that's how I felt. I felt like, 96 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: oh my god, I thought we're gonna do some huge 97 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,000 Speaker 1: kissing and instead she just did it at Dundees and 98 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 1: you're like, oh my god. And of course I would 99 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:36,160 Speaker 1: have stewed on that for months and been like was 100 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:40,640 Speaker 1: that did that count? Was she just drunk? Rather than 101 00:06:41,200 --> 00:06:42,920 Speaker 1: if it was a big kiss scene where I took 102 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: her out back and like, you know, made some huge overture, 103 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: you'd be like, oh good, I'm being entertained by this moment. 104 00:06:49,279 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: But I don't feel anything. I'm not connected I don't 105 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: know if any of that made sense. No, that's so smart, 106 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: I think. I um, I think people see themselves in 107 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 1: the show, and it's a combination I would imagine of 108 00:07:01,839 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 1: every character, you know. I don't think you look at 109 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: one character and you go like, oh, I'm Michael. I 110 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: hope you're not Michael. But it's more like, oh, man, 111 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: I have a co worker that loves cats, and I 112 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: have a coworker that drives me insane. I don't know. 113 00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: Maybe that's it, And certainly people have bosses that are crazy, right, Yeah, 114 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: it's what you were talking about, I think is so true. 115 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: I had a conversation with Greg where traditional sitcoms there's 116 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: a rhythm, there's a rhythm to the joke. It's it's 117 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: totally on the beat. And I think that in the 118 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: relationship between Jim and Pam, everything happened off of the beat, 119 00:07:45,240 --> 00:07:50,600 Speaker 1: not at the time you expected, right from moments way early, 120 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: like right like in terms of like the progression. But 121 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 1: then also what Greg talked about a little bit was 122 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:01,160 Speaker 1: once it got to a certain point that he was like, well, 123 00:08:01,480 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: we need to get them together, Like I'm not going 124 00:08:03,880 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 1: to create artificial impediments that make everybody go like, come 125 00:08:08,680 --> 00:08:11,520 Speaker 1: on right, because I think he had brought this audience 126 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: in to a very seemingly realistic relationship. So if you 127 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,960 Speaker 1: started doing weird things that felt fake, then people wouldn't 128 00:08:19,960 --> 00:08:24,320 Speaker 1: relate to it anymore. I'm saying, like, I love I 129 00:08:24,360 --> 00:08:27,239 Speaker 1: can admit on this podcast. I was never like a 130 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: casting No. I wasn't really great with dating, and I 131 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: feel and I think that's what's so great about the 132 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:36,959 Speaker 1: show is how do you go about that? Like how 133 00:08:36,960 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: do you start a relationship with someone who's already with someone? 134 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: It's a great place to start, and then just you know, slowly, 135 00:08:45,960 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 1: you know. I remember also how bold it was that 136 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: when you thought you would do something, you know, like 137 00:08:52,200 --> 00:08:55,679 Speaker 1: proposed to her, he would write an entire episode where 138 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:56,959 Speaker 1: you're like, oh man, and at the end, this is 139 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,319 Speaker 1: gonna be the proposal because again in TV, you know 140 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: that like the big scenes are coming, and he wouldn't 141 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:05,280 Speaker 1: do it. And then when I did propose, I love 142 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: that talking head where I was like, I've been planning 143 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: on this forever, like I love that, you know. Um, 144 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: I've said to people that nothing shut down production like 145 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: an important gem and pan moment, like when there were 146 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: moments between the two down. No, I mean like shut 147 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:31,560 Speaker 1: it down right right, like like like you're blushing right now. 148 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:34,920 Speaker 1: But it's I mean like Casino night and not and 149 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 1: not just one, two different moments in Casino Night because 150 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,680 Speaker 1: the relationship was so important to the two of you 151 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,679 Speaker 1: and getting it right totally. I remember those two moments 152 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 1: very well. I remember the parking lot Yeah, it's funny 153 00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: now that you say that, Yeah, which must have been 154 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 1: frustrating for you, Like, oh, you'd be like, oh, please 155 00:09:52,760 --> 00:09:56,080 Speaker 1: just get me out of here before they filmed this, 156 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:01,079 Speaker 1: or it's going to be seven hours. Well we were 157 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,000 Speaker 1: in there that seven hours. But again I had never 158 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: experienced anything else, so that was weird for me. Was 159 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:10,959 Speaker 1: I remember like there was an energy around those moments. 160 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:15,000 Speaker 1: I remember. I remember so many different things, but I 161 00:10:15,000 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: remember that parking lot scene. I remember not knowing where 162 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: Matt was and Ken wouldn't tell me, and he was like, 163 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 1: don't worry about it, just do the scene or whatever, 164 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, and I thought that was cool. And then 165 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: certainly I remember the like the big moment, the big 166 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,080 Speaker 1: kiss that was shut down, like that was nobody was 167 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 1: on set, nobody was around the craft service table, but 168 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: I didn't know that was happening. So I walked on, 169 00:10:37,000 --> 00:10:38,719 Speaker 1: you know, ready to joke with folks, and they were 170 00:10:38,760 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: like not wanting to make eye contact with me, and 171 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: I was like, what happened? I feel like I said 172 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: something to you, like I was going on. I know. 173 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,400 Speaker 1: I kind of remember that too. And then it made 174 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,360 Speaker 1: me more nervous because then they were like, all right, now, 175 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: maybe you should go out the door and whenever you're ready, 176 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: come in. And I was like, what's happening. There is 177 00:10:53,679 --> 00:10:55,760 Speaker 1: no I'm gonna call action, and they're like, no, man, 178 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: well do you remember that night? I remember, I remember 179 00:11:01,320 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 1: because you were so frustrated you were still there. No, 180 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: I just I remember it being so big. I think 181 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: the thing that I am most proud of artistically he 182 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: is not blowing your top in that moment in the 183 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 1: shot in the show was every single shot where the 184 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: camera was positioned, just the discussion about are the cameras 185 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 1: in the room, Are the characters aware the cameras in 186 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: the room, How does that change behavior based on the 187 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,160 Speaker 1: fact that the cameras are in the room or if 188 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: they think that they're alone. And I think that at 189 00:11:36,520 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: that moment, specifically, at the end of Casino Night. You 190 00:11:39,720 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: see the slats in the blinds and them shooting and 191 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: catching you guys that they're such an intimacy, you know. 192 00:11:46,880 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: It's like Randall and Matt were to my favorite people 193 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,640 Speaker 1: on Earth and I couldn't see them, and like, I 194 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,839 Speaker 1: don't even think I got to see the set before 195 00:11:55,840 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: I went up, you know what I mean? Like it 196 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:00,959 Speaker 1: was also weird, and I'm sure for a better actor 197 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:02,760 Speaker 1: you'd think like, oh, that's what you need, right, And 198 00:12:02,800 --> 00:12:04,880 Speaker 1: so I was like I am a terrible actor because 199 00:12:04,920 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm nervous, and maybe that was the intention, 200 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: but I was like, I don't even know. Remember, Randall 201 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,080 Speaker 1: wasn't anywhere, and usually I was like what are we doing? 202 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:15,360 Speaker 1: Like what what? What? What? How? Where do you want 203 00:12:15,400 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: me to be? Whenever? And it was really weird. I 204 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: was so freaked out. And I remember I was on 205 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: set for a while before Jenna got onto because Jenna 206 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: was taking her moment, which is fine, but again I 207 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: was so not knowing of that world that I didn't 208 00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: know that I could take thirty minutes in my trailer 209 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 1: to prepare. Mentally, I was like, mentally, what's happened? And 210 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:38,080 Speaker 1: then I got so much more scared, and I was like, 211 00:12:38,120 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: you know, then you start to think, like, oh god, 212 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,079 Speaker 1: I didn't do my homework and she's doing her homework. Right. 213 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:46,719 Speaker 1: Were you on board with the trajectory of Jim and 214 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: Pam's relationship, like just in terms of the timing, did 215 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: you have concerns about it happening to soon? No, it 216 00:12:54,640 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 1: sounds like a hallmark version of Greg, but I truly 217 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: and Greg I trusted. I could tell that he had 218 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: to beat on it. He was always so nice to 219 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: involve Jenna, and I remember that he would tell you 220 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: kind of when things were going to happen, and he 221 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,200 Speaker 1: would remind you in scenes, you know, don't worry. This 222 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 1: isn't the moment that's going to lead to this, that 223 00:13:13,080 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: will happen later, like he he had it all tracked out. Also, 224 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: we were what in season five or six by the 225 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: time that I was in that motel with that other 226 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: girl and stuff like that, And that's the only time 227 00:13:23,760 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: I remember putting whatever, put my foot down, not really, 228 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,040 Speaker 1: but I remember I got that was the only time 229 00:13:28,080 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: I was very much against because he was saying, you're 230 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:33,920 Speaker 1: going to actually make out with her in this scene, 231 00:13:33,920 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 1: and that was the episode I directed. Yes, that's right, 232 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 1: that's the bed Bucks And I don't remember. It might 233 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: have been an earlier version about you guys making out, 234 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: but I remember that was the only time we had 235 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: like a it was like a bad, negative moment. But 236 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:50,760 Speaker 1: I remember being in a room and it was like 237 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:55,520 Speaker 1: I remember finding myself kind of saying things that I 238 00:13:55,600 --> 00:13:57,839 Speaker 1: never thought i'd say before, like I'm not going to 239 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: shoot it. I remember Paul Lieberstein was in the room. 240 00:14:01,440 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: He was like, no, you you will do it in 241 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 1: an aggressive way, but it was like he saw the 242 00:14:05,520 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: benefit of doing it. And I remember saying to Greg, 243 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:13,160 Speaker 1: there's a threshold with which you can push our audience. 244 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 1: They are so dedicated, we have shown such great respect 245 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: to them. There's a level of messing with them that 246 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: you've done, like in a great way. I mean like 247 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 1: you've messed with them by the whole kiss happening too early. 248 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: And I think there's a moment where if you push 249 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: them too far, they'll never come back. And I think 250 00:14:28,960 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 1: that if you show Jim to be cheating, they'll never 251 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:37,080 Speaker 1: come back. Yeah, And I what did you think? That's right? 252 00:14:37,080 --> 00:14:40,120 Speaker 1: You directed? What what was your field? Well? My recollection, Well, 253 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: It was never that you were going to make out, 254 00:14:42,640 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: but it was about there was what was the line? 255 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: How far can we go? I was supposed to kiss 256 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: her in that bathroom. I remember that's what they were pitching, 257 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: and I was like, I don't know that that's going 258 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 1: to go well for us. But even just you being 259 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: in a room him with her, you know, how would 260 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 1: you behave even if you didn't think the cameras were there, 261 00:15:06,280 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: because the cameras were shooting from outside and they weren't 262 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: in the room except when Dwight came in. Um. Anyway, 263 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 1: the whole point is the passion for which you fought 264 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,080 Speaker 1: and Jenna fought and Greg like that. Everybody was collaboratively. 265 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: Oh that's why it wasn't a negative fight. It was 266 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: a big conversation because again it was so important to everybody. Yeah, 267 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: but also I had trusted Greg up to that point, 268 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: and it was really hard for me to say, I 269 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: think we're actually making the wrong decision, right, so Steve, Well, 270 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with us. When you found out that 271 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: Steve was leaving, Oh yeah, what did you think was 272 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:11,280 Speaker 1: the greater loss, Michael or Steve? Jesus, It's like a 273 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 1: existential crack right there in the Yeah, my brain literally 274 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: just melted. Oh my god. I mean, it's weird, right. 275 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:28,840 Speaker 1: I think there might be one of those esoteric, kind 276 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: of actory bogus things that happened, which is we kind 277 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:37,280 Speaker 1: of started blending ourselves and our characters because we spent 278 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:41,240 Speaker 1: so much time together, and Steve and I had a 279 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 1: really wonderful relationship We started because we were both from 280 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: Boston and we really had a great friendship, and even 281 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,000 Speaker 1: though we didn't hang out all that much, I felt 282 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,040 Speaker 1: very deeply connected to him, and he was always so nice. 283 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 1: So I think that I think I have to be 284 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: honest and say it was losing Steve because as much 285 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,200 Speaker 1: as he was so good on the show, his presence 286 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,639 Speaker 1: on the set was fantastic and mean he was. He 287 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 1: was as professional as it gets. He was your clean 288 00:17:08,800 --> 00:17:12,919 Speaker 1: up hitter, just crushed everything that he was thrown. And 289 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: so I think I'm saying I think what I'm getting 290 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:18,159 Speaker 1: at is, in that moment, it felt like the end 291 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: of an era. It felt like the the end of 292 00:17:20,359 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 1: something more than even losing Steve or losing Michael. It 293 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,160 Speaker 1: felt like the end of our show in a way, 294 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: or that evolution of our show. It's like when you 295 00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: graduate college, your life isn't over, but that version of 296 00:17:35,840 --> 00:17:39,960 Speaker 1: your life will never come back. You'll never have your 297 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 1: college years again or your high school years again. Um, 298 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: that's what it felt like. I felt like we were 299 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: graduating college that day. I'm trying to figure it out 300 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: in real time. Why I cried so hard when we 301 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 1: did that scene. I also remember him crying, and I 302 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,760 Speaker 1: was not expecting that. I thought that he was so 303 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: good at comedy that he was able to be like, 304 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:05,639 Speaker 1: it's just a scene, then will cry after or not 305 00:18:05,880 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: or whatever. And the energy in that room was so 306 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: thick and palpable that when they called action or go ahead, 307 00:18:13,880 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 1: I remember Steve tiered up right away, and that was 308 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,560 Speaker 1: so unlike him. Not that he was an emotionless but 309 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:20,840 Speaker 1: it was like it was so unlike him to let 310 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: real life bleed into the moment, right. I think, I think, 311 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:26,680 Speaker 1: I actually remember. The actual number was seventeen takes of 312 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:32,240 Speaker 1: not even speaking, just just dribbling crying. For me, it's 313 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: I mean, you talked about it, you were waiting tables. 314 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: I was doing theater for you know, some class, sometimes 315 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,880 Speaker 1: seventeen people you know or whatever, Like everybody we all 316 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: grew up together, and there was like Greg as like 317 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:54,960 Speaker 1: our on set dad, but like Steve as like the 318 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: greatest brother you could have. Yeah. Yeah, it was like 319 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:02,879 Speaker 1: the steady brother, you know, whether it's like John Steinbecker, 320 00:19:03,400 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: Arthur Miller, like there was always like a steady brother 321 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:09,199 Speaker 1: and we were all the crazy people and he was 322 00:19:09,200 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: always really steady. Yeah no, But I mean I was 323 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: twenty three years old when we started shooting season one, 324 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,880 Speaker 1: and I look back and I'm like, I basically graduated college, 325 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,600 Speaker 1: had two and a half years. Like I was shot 326 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: out of a literal canon, because my my life wasn't 327 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 1: real life. I was living in a fantasy camp because 328 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:35,320 Speaker 1: every day I was going to work on something I 329 00:19:35,359 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: loved and something that was edgy and fun, and I 330 00:19:37,200 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: would have watched in anyway. But like you said, we 331 00:19:39,400 --> 00:19:43,159 Speaker 1: were also intermingling in a way that was such perfection. 332 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 1: I've never been on a job since where every single 333 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:51,200 Speaker 1: human being, from crew member to you know, actor was 334 00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: so in tune and such a family. I always felt 335 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: bad for the guests actors. Did you feel that? And 336 00:19:57,080 --> 00:20:00,119 Speaker 1: you had to pop in for one episode? Oh? And 337 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 1: I thought that must be awful, because here I am 338 00:20:02,480 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 1: being like, right, who you picking up in the second 339 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 1: round of fantasy and like They're like, no, this is 340 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 1: a big show, and I'm like, it's not. It's fine. 341 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:12,240 Speaker 1: I mean of your m and m's are like just 342 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: goofing off and then like throwing things at each other 343 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,440 Speaker 1: in the middle of scenes, and people were probably like, dude, 344 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,040 Speaker 1: this is my big break. We were trying to throw 345 00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: stuff at each other when the camera, when the camera 346 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: wasn't on us. We were throwing a football in the 347 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:28,360 Speaker 1: middle and I remember there were a couple of people 348 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:30,760 Speaker 1: who were like, did not like the football throw? Yeah, 349 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: stop you jackasses, And I was like, what's the big deal? 350 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 1: And yeah, like Amy Adams, I thought did the best 351 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: job of it. She came in and somehow felt like 352 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,199 Speaker 1: she was always on the show. Remember she wasn't the 353 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:47,560 Speaker 1: original purse girl did kill someone else. And then all 354 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,400 Speaker 1: of a sudden Amy showed up and I was like, oh, 355 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: there's been a recast and she was not nervous, not scared, 356 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: came in and was like yeah, I'm I'm not taking 357 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: this too seriously either. I'm just super good at my 358 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 1: job and then crushed. It was one of the best 359 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 1: storylines we've ever had. I love that storyline because I 360 00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:10,560 Speaker 1: loved how she ended her character where she was understanding 361 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:15,159 Speaker 1: of how much I loved Pam and you're like that 362 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:19,119 Speaker 1: was also Rob Wriggle, Right, that was Riggles Booze, Cris 363 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: Riggle god, one of the funniest human beings I've ever 364 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: met in my life. Do you remember anything about that? 365 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: Speaking of boost Cruise, the twenty seven seconds of silence, 366 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: that was a big deal for the fans. I remember 367 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: was there a discussion when we were shooting. I remember 368 00:21:35,760 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: I felt it was a big deal when someone gave 369 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: me the number of twenty seven seconds, because if someone 370 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: counted it surely wasn't us, and so it had aired 371 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: and someone timed it, which meant that it was a 372 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 1: big enough deal to time it rather than remember how 373 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,879 Speaker 1: silent they were. I remember that. I also remember, do 374 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: you remember we had shot to like the wee hours 375 00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: and the sun was cracking and we drove back on 376 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: a boat and it it conked out. It conked out, Yeah, 377 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: And we were in pitch black water, like terrifying, scary, 378 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 1: shark infested, shark infested water, and we were just kind 379 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: of crapped out on a tiny boat and we were 380 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:13,600 Speaker 1: all exhausted and the other boat got there just in time. 381 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 1: They had left and we were like, this is gonna 382 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: be a while. Remember that was terrifying. Yeah, I remember 383 00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 1: Phillis was on our boat. It was you Phillis. It 384 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,000 Speaker 1: wasn't coopas he got off on the good one. Was 385 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: it Angela? I think Angela was there anyway? Was that 386 00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: season two? Well? And that was the episode. As we're filming, 387 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,919 Speaker 1: you know, seven pm to seven am. I wake up 388 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:46,679 Speaker 1: from like sleeping all during the day and have like 389 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,720 Speaker 1: seventy four messages from my agents saying the office wants 390 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,760 Speaker 1: to make you a serious regular. Where are you? I 391 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: remember that. I remember being in the parking lot before 392 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: we went to the boat, and you were very nice 393 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: to say, I want to talk to you about this 394 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: and get your take on it. And we talked a 395 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: lot about it. You took none of my advice, No, 396 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: none of them. Um, did you think the show could 397 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,200 Speaker 1: go forward? When Steve laughed, I knew the show could 398 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 1: go forward. I didn't know what the plan was. I 399 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:22,960 Speaker 1: couldn't see through the trees. Um. But again that's where 400 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: I really trusted Greg. I remember when they came to 401 00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:30,680 Speaker 1: us for season nine. I had a very honest conversation 402 00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:36,280 Speaker 1: with Greg. He called me about season nine and said, 403 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: what do you think? And I said, you have to 404 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,199 Speaker 1: end the show. I was like, I don't want to 405 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 1: negotiate because we none of us had contracts. Since I 406 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,920 Speaker 1: was like, this isn't about a negotiation. You have to 407 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: end the show before they end it for us, because 408 00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,480 Speaker 1: I was like, it's coming to an end regardless. You 409 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: don't want to be the one that like. And he 410 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: by the way, it wasn't. I wasn't telling him anything. 411 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,840 Speaker 1: You didn't know. I just felt with the landscape of 412 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: what other shows were on and whatever that like. And 413 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:03,480 Speaker 1: again keep in mind we were not even as popular 414 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,200 Speaker 1: then as we are now. It's like I remember that 415 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: feeling of like we don't want to be taken out 416 00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: back right, I think I'll go up behind the shed. 417 00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:18,040 Speaker 1: I don't want too for sure. That is a lesson 418 00:24:18,080 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: you everyone should abide by. Um what did you think 419 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: did you want to did you think we should have 420 00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: kept going? I remember being conflicted, but ultimately I felt 421 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: like that was the right decision, and I mean conflicted 422 00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 1: just that you did well, that it that it could 423 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,280 Speaker 1: have well I think what was inevitable was and I 424 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:42,080 Speaker 1: just call it the e er syndrome, Like, I think 425 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: the writing was there that people were going to begin 426 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: to leave, and so it's like, oh, okay, are we 427 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: going to e er this? And are we going twenty? 428 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,879 Speaker 1: To me, there was sort of like are we going 429 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: to stop at nine or we going twenty? It totally 430 00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: could have gone twenty because everybody would have slowly cycled 431 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: out and we just kept the reality of it. My 432 00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 1: question is would people have wanting to see that, not 433 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: not that people are leaving, but that they would be 434 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: like I am now aware of the fact is the 435 00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 1: TV show and we ended it before you Technically you 436 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:14,719 Speaker 1: gave them that respect of saying, you guys have been 437 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 1: so good to us. We don't want to be taken 438 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:20,840 Speaker 1: out back behind the shine the wood shed. No. I think. 439 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:25,600 Speaker 1: So here's what I know that I believe that that story, 440 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 1: like the idea that this documentary is actually going to 441 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:33,200 Speaker 1: air and these characters are going to watch it, that 442 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: had to happen right then or that never happens. I 443 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,600 Speaker 1: think because you can't do that after twenty years, when 444 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: you're on your and your third cast. I think that's 445 00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 1: that's really true. Um, finale comes. I mean you mentioned 446 00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: that you you felt like we needed to end, and 447 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: you were clear with Greg season nine. Once the finale 448 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:02,760 Speaker 1: finally comes, are you prepared for it? No? No, But 449 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: I I don't know. I might have an issue that 450 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 1: I need to look into, which is like I I 451 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: think I tried to disengage from things and then they 452 00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:13,719 Speaker 1: kind of catch up to me later. So while we 453 00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 1: were shooting, I was very disengaged to the fact that 454 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,560 Speaker 1: that also meant that it was ending, that we had 455 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,560 Speaker 1: called our shot, which I loved in theory, but I 456 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: didn't really let my brain be like, oh my god, 457 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,200 Speaker 1: only two weeks left, only two episodes left, only two 458 00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: scenes left, only you know whatever. And I think a 459 00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,520 Speaker 1: big thing that helped was when we went to Scranton. 460 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:36,640 Speaker 1: I think that getting together and having some version of 461 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: a life experience that felt like we were memorializing it 462 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: helped because I don't know if I would have been 463 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:50,600 Speaker 1: good having the finale just come out. What do you do? 464 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 1: Do you do? I like call you and be like, so, 465 00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: what what do you think about last night's episode? You 466 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: know what? I mean? Like there, I didn't know what 467 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: to do, so I think that really helped. When we 468 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 1: went to Scranton, that felt really Um, that was a 469 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 1: really special experience for me. Right, I want to show 470 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,120 Speaker 1: you something? Is it me behind the bar? I don't 471 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,200 Speaker 1: why Why would you ruin something when I'm god, I'm 472 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 1: trying to like, I know you took a picture of 473 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:19,159 Speaker 1: me behind the bar because I got paranoid about it. Um, 474 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: my favorite picture of me and you and Jenna behind 475 00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: the bar. Behind the bar in Scratton. That was so 476 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:33,159 Speaker 1: much fun and nothing that I would have thought I 477 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,119 Speaker 1: would be doing. But I remember you had told me 478 00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 1: you had done this before, and then you told me 479 00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 1: how awesome it wasn't how amazing all the people were 480 00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:44,120 Speaker 1: Unlike anything else I've been a part of. The fans 481 00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: of the office had this incredible warmth. I don't know 482 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: that I ever would have done that if the love 483 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:56,679 Speaker 1: for the show didn't always feel so warm. It never 484 00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 1: felt fanatical. Everybody in that bar felt like they respected 485 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,080 Speaker 1: the fact that they got to have this moment where 486 00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,040 Speaker 1: we were all celebrating the show together, cast and fans alike, 487 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: we're all together, felt so organic, rather than like a 488 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: PR stunt. Were like and if you come down at seven, 489 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,040 Speaker 1: like I loved. I remember the decision to get behind 490 00:28:17,080 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 1: the bar. There was only like fifty sixty people, and 491 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 1: then by the end they were like five hundred. Maybe 492 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:28,159 Speaker 1: I'm not remembering. I remember even Steve stuck around for 493 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,840 Speaker 1: the end and he kept saying, like, dude, look at this. 494 00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 1: Like imagine being at home right now and being told like, dude, 495 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,120 Speaker 1: you should probably come because Denzel Washington is bartending. Like 496 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: I would if I was a kid in high school, 497 00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,600 Speaker 1: I would be like, what you know what I mean. 498 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: And the fact that they were like, dude, the cats 499 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 1: from the office is bartending right now. And Steve got 500 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 1: back there, didn't He sure did. Yeah, I remember that 501 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: being just so special. I remember they're like they're going 502 00:28:53,840 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: to be in a parade and we're gonna have the 503 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,360 Speaker 1: top down. I was like, top down, Like what's happening? 504 00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 1: And then Jenn and I got into a car with 505 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:05,920 Speaker 1: the top down, like a straight like a convertible. Yeah, 506 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: and drove up to the starting area and we saw 507 00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: some people, like a lot of excited people, and then 508 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: we made that bend. We took a left down some 509 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: main street and it was like thousands of thousands of people. 510 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: I thought it was going to be the town of 511 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,520 Speaker 1: Scranton came out and thought it was cool that you 512 00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,480 Speaker 1: shot in their town. It was people who had driven 513 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,840 Speaker 1: or flown like people traveled to be at that moment, 514 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: and that I think was so moving to me. I 515 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: was like, I knew our show was successful, but again, 516 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,880 Speaker 1: I always was moved by the success of the interpersonal 517 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: connection that people had. That it wasn't fandom for the 518 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: successful show. It was the feeling of connectivity that we 519 00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,560 Speaker 1: were all part of this show. And so I guess 520 00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: that was even that late in the game, it was 521 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 1: still not clear to me how big our show was 522 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:05,000 Speaker 1: in that level. Yeah, yeah, I mean to me, what 523 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,200 Speaker 1: did you what did you take from the from the set? 524 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,800 Speaker 1: What did you take on the last day? Um, I 525 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: got a story. I bet jarv Eminem's smart. There you 526 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: go jarb Eminem's and the name plate jarv Eminem's took home. 527 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:24,680 Speaker 1: Put it on my desk. Six months pass, a year passes, 528 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: I look and I realized that the Eminem's were going down. 529 00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, mm hmm, that's odd. I'm definitely not eating them. 530 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: I know how old they are. Nobody in my house. 531 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: Only solution I came up with was that my house 532 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: cleaner every week was coming in walking into my office, 533 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: cleaning my desk and grabbing a handful of looks, it 534 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,560 Speaker 1: looks like something that she could do. So I realized 535 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:58,040 Speaker 1: I potentially was poisoning her. Yeah, so I took them, panicked, 536 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 1: I threw them away. So I have the you are 537 00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,880 Speaker 1: still there are no Eminem's. You should have put the 538 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: You should have put that on a shelf or something, 539 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:07,920 Speaker 1: because you'd want the Eminem's from the set right. Also, 540 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 1: it's a great science experiment. Eminem's lasting for a hundred 541 00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:13,920 Speaker 1: years is probably something we should look into. We probably should. 542 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: But no, I was like, I'm I'm poisoning her. I 543 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 1: have to throw them away because what the The only 544 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,479 Speaker 1: solution is to say to her, I know you're stealing 545 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: Eminem's from yea, by the way, you're poisoning yourself. Way, 546 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: what if it wasn't her and you're just a horrible 547 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: person that accused her. What if she's like, actually broke 548 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,360 Speaker 1: into my house. Maybe I'm just saying it seems like 549 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,640 Speaker 1: you're leading the witness there and I don't like it. 550 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, what if you asked her and she goes, oh, 551 00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: I'm allergic to chocolate, and then you're like com com 552 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 1: and then the lawn order starts for the Eminem's thanks 553 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: for asking me what I took? Um, what did you 554 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: take from the set? Well, it's funny. I'm only think 555 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,640 Speaker 1: about it now. I think it's the only time I 556 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: ever lied to Greg. So well, you remember the last moment, right, 557 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: That was vicious. That was vicious. That was hard. Nobody 558 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: saw it? Oh boy, god, what was hard? Um? That Greg, 559 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,560 Speaker 1: unbeknownst to us, knew what the last shot of the 560 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 1: day would be the last shot ever of the show, 561 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,960 Speaker 1: but we didn't know. We're all goofing off and we 562 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: were leaving the office, which was very poetic, and of 563 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,360 Speaker 1: course he's smart enough to have planned that, and we 564 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,480 Speaker 1: were like laughing and having a great time, and then 565 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,400 Speaker 1: we came back in for a reset and he was 566 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: standing there weird in the middle of the room and 567 00:32:34,720 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: he was like, that was the last take of the office. 568 00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: And I was like, what I mean, like a bus 569 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:43,680 Speaker 1: hit me. It was so intense, wasn't it, man? And 570 00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: I was like amazing and brilliant, but also, how dare 571 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: you I think I bent over? Like I was gonna puke. 572 00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,880 Speaker 1: I cried very hard. Did you cry? You were? You 573 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 1: were like a stoic cryer, like a like a Gary 574 00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: Cooper kind of cry, whereas I was I cry like 575 00:32:58,840 --> 00:33:01,480 Speaker 1: I laugh. I just it's it sounds like just way 576 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 1: too much, just way too much. But anyway, so I 577 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 1: remember that moment, and then everybody was going back to 578 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: their trailers and stuff to change to go to the 579 00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:13,960 Speaker 1: warehouse to do like a big presentation of a gift 580 00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:17,560 Speaker 1: or something, right, and as Jim, I didn't have like 581 00:33:17,600 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: a ton of stuff on your desk, yeah, and like 582 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:22,360 Speaker 1: I took the nameplate for sure, but I was like, 583 00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: I want something that is undeniably from our set. And 584 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: so I remember, like I think I lied to you, 585 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: Like you were like, so what time, because remember we 586 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:35,440 Speaker 1: went right to the party and I super shadily ran 587 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:39,440 Speaker 1: back in the five minutes that everybody was gone and 588 00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: stole the dunder Mifflin sign that we always used to 589 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,040 Speaker 1: walk by and do the talking heads and get this. 590 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: So then I was like, I'm a little ashamed that 591 00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: I didn't tell anybody, but I really wanted it, and 592 00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:50,960 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, I'll look back on this 593 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:53,200 Speaker 1: and it'll be like, you know, a bad high school 594 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:56,160 Speaker 1: kid decision. So I get to the party and I 595 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,760 Speaker 1: was like, Greg, what did you take? And he goes, 596 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: I'm really bummed someone took the dunder Mifflin sign. That's 597 00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: what I wanted. And he goes, do you know who 598 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,080 Speaker 1: took it? And I went no, and I legit to 599 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:09,120 Speaker 1: his face, was like no, that is terrible who took it. 600 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:11,480 Speaker 1: I was like, if you want it, that should be 601 00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,959 Speaker 1: yours and he was like right, And I was like, well, 602 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: good news days. You got tons of other stuff. And 603 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:18,040 Speaker 1: remember he was talking about like we were going to 604 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: donate the set to the Smithsony or something. He had 605 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,640 Speaker 1: that plan, so I was like, he has plenty. But 606 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,360 Speaker 1: then the longer I thought about it, I was like, 607 00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,480 Speaker 1: you lied to your TV dad. Do you have it 608 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,839 Speaker 1: on your wall now? Oh? Yeah, it's in my office. Yeah. 609 00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 1: I got it framed like it looks great. Oh look 610 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 1: good for you. The way that night I hit a 611 00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: speed bump and the eye and under Mifflin flew off 612 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,520 Speaker 1: and I almost oh, I almost lost my mind. And 613 00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: then Phil Shay emailed him like a year and a 614 00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,440 Speaker 1: half later, and I was like, bro, that's I won't 615 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:46,960 Speaker 1: go back, and I don't want to, you know, kind 616 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 1: of like I don't want to be the one to 617 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 1: put it up because it's like you being the one 618 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,040 Speaker 1: to add paint to a famous paintings. He was like, 619 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna send you an eye, like the same type 620 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: of foam and everything. I'll just send it to you. 621 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: And I was like, great, and he sent it to me. 622 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: That's amazing. And then later he sent me the Adventures 623 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,360 Speaker 1: of Jimmy Halpert comic my actual bag. I thought you 624 00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:09,759 Speaker 1: were going to say, the bag is what you took 625 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,719 Speaker 1: when I think of you. Yeah, I'm talking like five 626 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: years later. I asked for it and he sent it. 627 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,719 Speaker 1: I don't know how he knew where that was, but 628 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:21,040 Speaker 1: it was the comic. It was my dundee, and then 629 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:22,840 Speaker 1: my bag, and then maybe my watch. I think I 630 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 1: had a watch that he put in there. Anyway, That's 631 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: all I have now. That was the greatest decision props wise, 632 00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,080 Speaker 1: that I ever made on that show, was not asking 633 00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,480 Speaker 1: for a watch early on. So I'm not having to 634 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: do with that problem beginning and the end. For you, 635 00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 1: it's like learning not to eat on camera. That's that's again. 636 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:43,000 Speaker 1: You're trained. You're a trained actor. I don't know about that. 637 00:35:43,160 --> 00:36:00,319 Speaker 1: I just had to learn it the hard way. Yeah, 638 00:36:03,680 --> 00:36:11,400 Speaker 1: you obviously wildly successful. When people approach you, Now what 639 00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: percentage of it is about the office? Oh, large majority. Again, 640 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: I think it's the difference between fans who feel like 641 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,480 Speaker 1: they're a part of something and fans who have watched something. 642 00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,560 Speaker 1: I think there's very few things that I watched when 643 00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,920 Speaker 1: I was a kid that I felt so connected to. 644 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: It was more like, oh, I like the movie e T. 645 00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: But there were very few things that I felt like 646 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,799 Speaker 1: if I ever saw that person, we shared a life 647 00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,080 Speaker 1: moment together. Had I ever met Chris Farley, I would 648 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:45,160 Speaker 1: have said that because I watched Tommy Boy so many 649 00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,720 Speaker 1: times that he didn't know he was my best friend, 650 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 1: but he was my best friend. So I think that 651 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,480 Speaker 1: thing is like I shared so much in my life 652 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,680 Speaker 1: with that show. That's why I think that people, you know, 653 00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: people have seen other things, which is great. Certainly recently, 654 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:02,359 Speaker 1: like I think Quiet Place, Jack Ryan people are coming 655 00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: up a lot more. But I I think our fans 656 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:09,080 Speaker 1: see me and instead of going up to an actor 657 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: to get a picture or something, they're actually seeing a 658 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: friend of theirs. Is my point. My long meandering point 659 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,680 Speaker 1: is no one looks at Jack Ryan. I was like, 660 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:18,839 Speaker 1: oh my god, my buddy, Jack Ryan, Oh my god, 661 00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,279 Speaker 1: you're an actor. I didn't realize they do think that 662 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:25,120 Speaker 1: with Jim and I've had my favorite experiences with fans 663 00:37:25,280 --> 00:37:27,800 Speaker 1: is when they think we've gone to school together or something. 664 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: That's my favorite. Like I I had one where a 665 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:32,759 Speaker 1: woman said we know each other and I said do 666 00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,840 Speaker 1: we and she goes, we went to school together and 667 00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,440 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't. I don't think we did, 668 00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:38,960 Speaker 1: and she went, yes, we did. And it was like 669 00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:40,920 Speaker 1: that thing of like why am I being awkward about it? 670 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: And where did you go to school? And she said 671 00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:44,400 Speaker 1: some school and I went, I did not go to 672 00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,040 Speaker 1: that school and she went, yes, you did, and like 673 00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,759 Speaker 1: I was like okay, and then I left and I 674 00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: could see that either else someone else has been like, 675 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,320 Speaker 1: you don't know that person. You just thought that it 676 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,720 Speaker 1: was at the airport bookshop, and then through the window 677 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 1: you saw them being like in silence, being like, oh no, 678 00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: god it was. But I think that that's such a 679 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,600 Speaker 1: credit to the show that you don't just like the show, 680 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,800 Speaker 1: you actually think you know those people. Yes, because I 681 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:15,880 Speaker 1: I by the way, I'm not necessarily comparing you to 682 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: Ted dancing in exactly the same way. No, But I 683 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,759 Speaker 1: just mean like Ted Danson was doing a lot of 684 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 1: stuff and immediately after Cheers, but there was something about 685 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:30,439 Speaker 1: Cheers sam alone that everything else, not even that other 686 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:34,280 Speaker 1: things wouldn't have been as good or better, but Cheers 687 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: was what I shared because there was a purity to 688 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,239 Speaker 1: that experience that you had watched the same with me. 689 00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: I mean, I was. I grew up in Boston, like 690 00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:47,120 Speaker 1: Cheers was a form of like television religion or something. Yeah, 691 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: I will take a comparison to Ted danceing anytime. Then 692 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,799 Speaker 1: I won't do that agoin God damn it. Here, put 693 00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,279 Speaker 1: on these airphones. I want you to hear something. I'm 694 00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: playing something for everybody. Boy, we should have had these 695 00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 1: on the whole time. I would have. I would have 696 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:09,680 Speaker 1: changed my voice. Um, don't ever, ever, when I have 697 00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 1: earphones on and I have your tone right in my ear, 698 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,040 Speaker 1: don't talk low like that. My voice slips and Nope, 699 00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:18,400 Speaker 1: I just would have slips around. I don't like that 700 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:20,760 Speaker 1: in my head. I don't like your voice slipping around 701 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: in my ear. Um, we play clip six for me? 702 00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:29,480 Speaker 1: Clip six? I thought it was weird when you picked 703 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:35,120 Speaker 1: us to make a documentary. But all in all, I 704 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:38,560 Speaker 1: think an ordinary paper company like dunder Mifflin was a 705 00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:43,440 Speaker 1: great subject for a documentary. There's a lot of beauty 706 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:54,759 Speaker 1: and ordinary things. Isn't that kind of the point? So 707 00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: Gregg wrote that clearly for him, that was the point. 708 00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,200 Speaker 1: What did you think the It was the point of 709 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:06,440 Speaker 1: what shooting the show? Sorry, my brain just exploded again. Um. 710 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:11,160 Speaker 1: I think that that is so beautiful that writing, and 711 00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:13,960 Speaker 1: I would only suspect that it came from someone who 712 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,120 Speaker 1: created the show, because someone who creates the show and 713 00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: doesn't just act on the show would have to have 714 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: in their head a beginning, middle, and end, and you're 715 00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:25,440 Speaker 1: shooting for something, and I love that that's what he 716 00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:29,160 Speaker 1: was shooting for. What are you most thankful for? Oh 717 00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:31,680 Speaker 1: my god? Everything? I mean, are you asking me as 718 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 1: a person? Well, I mean, without sounding hyperball, it's it 719 00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,880 Speaker 1: is my everything. I mean, that show changed my entire 720 00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,919 Speaker 1: life twenty three when it started, so I hadn't even 721 00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:50,239 Speaker 1: really formed an identity of who I was, and so 722 00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,920 Speaker 1: that show not only from a career perspective, where I've 723 00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: had more opportunity than I ever would have dreamt of 724 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,560 Speaker 1: having for one day, I have for an entire lifetime. 725 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: Is all due to that show. I never would be 726 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,840 Speaker 1: doing any other thing that you've seen me do, writing, directing, acting, 727 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:09,360 Speaker 1: and something else if it wasn't for that show. But 728 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: as a person, I think it sort of gave me 729 00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,240 Speaker 1: this very quintessential building block that I got to stand 730 00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:21,200 Speaker 1: on to build the rest of my life. Yeah, you're 731 00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,520 Speaker 1: you're about to say, that's all crack of ship? What what? What? 732 00:41:24,520 --> 00:41:28,239 Speaker 1: What would you say? I think it's very similar. I 733 00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:31,120 Speaker 1: think I was processing what you were saying that because 734 00:41:31,120 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 1: of the people who were working on it, not just 735 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:37,560 Speaker 1: the actors, but the writers who are like all showrunners 736 00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,799 Speaker 1: now from the early season, you know, who are extremely successful, 737 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,359 Speaker 1: fun good shows. It's but also our crew. Like you said, 738 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: like you know again in a very probably lame, cliche, 739 00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:53,200 Speaker 1: hallmark way, like I don't know that as a person 740 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 1: I would be able to have the luxury forget you know, 741 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: success or fine dance or anything. It's the luxury of 742 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,839 Speaker 1: being who I wanted to be. I didn't know who 743 00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: I wanted to be. And because of such a warm 744 00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:11,400 Speaker 1: environment where if everyone had a color, people were splashing 745 00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: their experience and their colors all over me. I got 746 00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,839 Speaker 1: exposed to everything I wanted to be and then got 747 00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 1: to choose to move forward with my life in a 748 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,640 Speaker 1: way that I not only didn't know existed, but that 749 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:27,919 Speaker 1: I could sustain. Like that you could, you could do 750 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,600 Speaker 1: fantastic fun stuff every day for ten years of your life. 751 00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,040 Speaker 1: And genuinely, I've been asked. I'm sure you get asked 752 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,680 Speaker 1: all the time, what year were you guys? All over it? 753 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,600 Speaker 1: Like when were you guys? Like, we're over it? And 754 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:44,640 Speaker 1: I genuinely am trying not to look back with revisionist history. 755 00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: I don't remember one moment where I was like, such 756 00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:56,560 Speaker 1: a job. Yeah, would you do a reunion? I'm asking 757 00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:58,480 Speaker 1: the questions, what are you? What are you doing now? 758 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 1: I just feel like we're you picked up pencil, You're 759 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,320 Speaker 1: like doodling. No, I just wanted I was thinking about 760 00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:05,240 Speaker 1: writing some questions down for you, and then I started 761 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:09,600 Speaker 1: do doling my Um, what was your question? Would you 762 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,080 Speaker 1: want to do a reunion or a show like a 763 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,000 Speaker 1: reunion show? Yeah? I don't know that you want to 764 00:43:16,040 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: be on a reboot, right? I think that I think 765 00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:26,920 Speaker 1: with the right idea because clearly the show is bigger 766 00:43:26,960 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 1: now than it was. Sure, and that's all great. That's 767 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,680 Speaker 1: again that's the that's the business side of it. I 768 00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,160 Speaker 1: think that for me, it's really simply down to wouldn't 769 00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 1: that be fun? Like just throw an episode out there, 770 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,920 Speaker 1: almost like they did the Christmas specials for the British one. 771 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,120 Speaker 1: What I like about the idea is that it doesn't 772 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:45,680 Speaker 1: have to be better or worse than any of the 773 00:43:45,680 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 1: episodes we've ever done. It would actually be cool to 774 00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:55,360 Speaker 1: just tell a story just like no stakes. Yeah, um, 775 00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:59,200 Speaker 1: thanks blood, You're welcome. Is it over? Yeah? I mean, 776 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:01,080 Speaker 1: do you have anything else you want to say? I mean, 777 00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: we feel like we covered a lot of topics, we 778 00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,520 Speaker 1: covered a lot of ground. I don't know what I said. Um, John, 779 00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:12,440 Speaker 1: I love you so much and I appreciate you coming 780 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: and talking to me. This is great. But also it's 781 00:44:15,320 --> 00:44:17,400 Speaker 1: just so good to see you. It's so good to 782 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,799 Speaker 1: see you. I feel like I just went to a 783 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:21,920 Speaker 1: therapy session. You did, you did great? Which you don't 784 00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:27,400 Speaker 1: cut yourself out of this, you you You'll get my bill. Um. 785 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:32,080 Speaker 1: We still have headphones on, which allows me to do that. 786 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 1: I don't want to slip around. I don't want your 787 00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,840 Speaker 1: slipper I don't want to slipping around in my brain 788 00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,359 Speaker 1: or ear. Um are we done? Can I please get 789 00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:47,520 Speaker 1: him out of here? All right? Ali? Guys, dude, thank you, 790 00:44:47,760 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: welcome dude, Thank you John. Why do you always have 791 00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:08,920 Speaker 1: to ruin everything? Just the slippering? I'm just kidding. That 792 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:12,000 Speaker 1: was incredible. Thank you so much for coming on the show, 793 00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:17,440 Speaker 1: and to all of my listeners, thank you for making 794 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:22,919 Speaker 1: us a part of your day. Well, we'll be back 795 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:29,600 Speaker 1: soon with another tantalizing conversation, big word and a very 796 00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:34,759 Speaker 1: big announcement. What could it be? But until then, make 797 00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,440 Speaker 1: sure to leave us a review and just you know, 798 00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:53,040 Speaker 1: have an amazing week for me. We'll see them the Office. 799 00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:57,279 Speaker 1: Deep Dive is hosted and executive produced by me Brian Baumgartner, 800 00:45:57,520 --> 00:46:02,640 Speaker 1: alongside our executive producer Langley. Our senior producer is Tessa Kramer. 801 00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:06,480 Speaker 1: Our producers for this episode are Liz Hayes, Emily Carr, 802 00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:09,759 Speaker 1: and Diego Tapia. My main man in the booth is 803 00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,920 Speaker 1: Alec Moore. Our theme song Bubble and Squeak, performed by 804 00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:17,160 Speaker 1: my great friend Creed Bratton, and the episode was mixed 805 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: by Seth Olandski