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Speaker 2: Men's bids last night, McNee State, American University, and Montana
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Speaker 2: A couple other items here. Mac Jones is going to
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers. So that was the Patriots to
Speaker 2: Jacksonville to now the forty nine ers. Still awaiting what
Speaker 2: the number is going to be for brock Perty It'll
Speaker 2: start with a five. I was told this yesterday that
Speaker 2: Geno Smith going to the Raiders. Gino Smith is going
Speaker 2: to get a new contract or at least an extension
Speaker 2: where Geno Smith might be making at least forty five
Speaker 2: million dollars. So while we look at this where the
Speaker 2: Raiders did well, they got Geno Smith, they got some stability,
Speaker 2: it's going to cost them. Now we look at what
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold signed for. Now that's a bargain because fifty
Speaker 2: five million guaranteed out of a three or one hundred
Speaker 2: million dollar deal, you might have him for twenty seven
Speaker 2: and a half million dollars. I'll take that. You can
Speaker 2: start to rebuild your roster.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 2: As for the Raiders, because the franchise tag is around
Speaker 2: forty one million dollars. Geno Smith is probably going to
Speaker 2: get a forty five million. You know, maybe it's two
Speaker 2: years ninety million, but Gino Smith's gonna get paid by
Speaker 2: the Raiders from what I'm told. All Right, Well, come
Speaker 2: up with a poll question, Play of the day, stat
Speaker 2: of the day. Watch some basketball. Last night, the Thunder
Speaker 2: beat the Celtics. They're now fifty four and twelve. And
Speaker 2: this is one of those games where you couple that
Speaker 2: with Denver losing at home to Minnesota SGA once again
Speaker 2: strengthening that MVP resume. The NBA find the Utah Jazz.
Speaker 2: Now I'm watching this story and I'm going I'm curious
Speaker 2: about this because Laurie Markinen, who is an All Star,
Speaker 2: he has sat out nine games. The NBA officially announced
Speaker 2: yesterday a one hundred thousand dollars fine for the Utah
Speaker 2: Jazz for sitting him out of the team's games. Now,
Speaker 2: like I said, being an All Star, now you're the
Speaker 2: focus of the NBA. They want to make sure that
Speaker 2: you're going to be playing, and they call them star players.
Speaker 2: Teams can be fined for star players, defined as any
Speaker 2: player who made an NBA All Star game over the
Speaker 2: course of the last three seasons. And if you miss games,
Speaker 2: let's say you miss games nationally televised the NBA Cup games,
Speaker 2: or if a team representative says one thing about a
Speaker 2: player's absence while the official injury report says another. I
Speaker 2: was curious if Laurie Markinen was injured, Well, apparently he's not.
Speaker 2: Long term star players shut down or near shut down,
Speaker 2: which is defined as a star player stops playing or,
Speaker 2: in the judgment of the league office, begins to play
Speaker 2: in a materially reduced role, and this would affect the
Speaker 2: integrity of the game Marketan has missed the Jazz last
Speaker 2: nine games due to a lower back injury, but is
Speaker 2: generally understood to be healthy and ready to play. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's got aw who's the one who determined that he
Speaker 2: has a lower back injury. How do you prove that
Speaker 2: he doesn't have a lower back injury? And then who's
Speaker 2: the person who said, no, he's healthy and ready to play.
Speaker 2: If the league were to find the Jazz guilty of
Speaker 2: violating the policy a second time, it would be two
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand dollars. A third offense would be
Speaker 2: one point two five million dollars. Each subsequent offense increases
Speaker 2: by a million dollars. After the fine was announced, Larie
Speaker 2: Markinen was made available to play in the Jazz game
Speaker 2: against the Medicals. They're obviously tanking. They would love to
Speaker 2: get Cooper flag in Utah, But I don't know how
Speaker 2: that works. If somebody says, hey, we want you to
Speaker 2: sit down, like the competitor, I would I would be like, no, hey,
Speaker 2: we really need you to sit down. Yeah, but I'm healthy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but for the good of the team, Can you sit
Speaker 2: out nine games with a lower back injury? And do
Speaker 2: they use the air quotes when they tell him You've
Speaker 2: got what's wrong with me? You've got a lower back injury?
Speaker 2: I do, Yes, You're gonna sit out for nine games.
Speaker 4: That's the stomach ache of school. You can't prove your stomach.
Speaker 5: Then yeah, yes, don And what goes into and or
Speaker 5: who's the panel in the league office that in the
Speaker 5: judgment of the league office and generally understood to be
Speaker 5: helping ready to play? Those are very vague terms that
Speaker 5: could use some more explanation.
Speaker 2: We did ask the League office, who's the one investigating this?
Speaker 2: Do you have an independent physician who flies all over
Speaker 2: the country like all right, Lebron, bring out the groin,
Speaker 2: let me see it, yes, Bowen.
Speaker 6: The Jazz are fifteen to fifty one. Since they started
Speaker 6: not starting Lari market In, they've lost nine of their
Speaker 6: last ten games, and their odds are increasing every day.
Speaker 6: When you look at this rule, don't you think it's
Speaker 6: the don't push it rule? Lari marketIn set nine straight games.
Speaker 6: If he set three games, played played a gun, and
Speaker 6: then set another three. I don't think they'll find them.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: I have no idea.
Speaker 2: I didn't know that they had somebody who is kind
Speaker 2: of in a clandestine role scene if something's nefarious going on.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, let me look at you know, this
Speaker 2: is where somebody wins like a class action suit against somebody,
Speaker 2: Oh I was in a car accident. And then they
Speaker 2: have those you know cameras, those investigators that they see
Speaker 2: some guy where he's out there swinging the golf club
Speaker 2: or you know, he's changing tires on a semi and
Speaker 2: then they go, ah, we got you. I don't know
Speaker 2: if they're doing that with Lari Marketing, where they visit
Speaker 2: his home and I took out the garbage. There's nothing
Speaker 2: wrong with his bag. Is this a good thing? I guess.
Speaker 2: I just the shocking part is that Laurie Marketing would
Speaker 2: go okay if he did, because I think you have
Speaker 2: to go to him and say you're not healthy. I'm
Speaker 2: not No, you've got a lower back injury. I do, Yes,
Speaker 2: you do, and we want you to sit out. We
Speaker 2: want to make sure you're healthy for next season when
Speaker 2: hopefully we get Cooper flag.
Speaker 5: Yes, Todd, it's well intended by the league, and I
Speaker 5: could certainly appreciate that with all the load management and stuff.
Speaker 3: But I still don't understand how you fully can approve
Speaker 3: something like that.
Speaker 5: But he does somehow have a legitimate problem that doesn't
Speaker 5: show up in an X ray or the average physician report.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna guess he doesn't have a legitimate injury. I'm
Speaker 2: guessing he might still have a lower back injury, but
Speaker 2: he's not allowed to sit out. Although didn't the Mavericks
Speaker 2: say with Anthony Davis with his injury, with Kyrie injured,
Speaker 2: and they may shut him down, Well, why are you
Speaker 2: allowed to shut down Anthony Davis just because Kyrie got hurt?
Speaker 2: You need you need to uphold the competitive balance of
Speaker 2: the league. That Dallas can't go. Eh, we're just going
Speaker 2: to roll some guys out there. You still, if Anthony
Speaker 2: Davis is healthy, you need to put him in the
Speaker 2: lineup here, because what are you doing tanking? Ah, we'll
Speaker 2: just shut him down. We got nothing to play for,
Speaker 2: but teams playing you or teams hoping that you put
Speaker 2: up a good fight against the team they're competing for
Speaker 2: with a playoff spot. That's the competitive integrity of the game. Yes, Pom,
Speaker 2: do you think we need a name for this rule?
Speaker 2: I looked on the NBA's website. It's called the Player
Speaker 2: Participation Policy, and you know I don't like thelliteration PPP. No,
Speaker 2: my name is Paul Pabst. How about the Kohi rule?
Speaker 2: We name it after a player? Is that mean spirited
Speaker 2: to name it the rule? Well? How many times have
Speaker 2: the Clippers been fined for? I mean, Kawhi feels like
Speaker 2: he's always injured, But when he's healthy is when they
Speaker 2: need to investigate.
Speaker 6: Okay, then, if you want to go back, the origin
Speaker 6: of this rule is twenty ten, the Spurs and Popovich
Speaker 6: were fined two hundred and fifty thousand dollars. It was
Speaker 6: precedent setting because it hadn't been done before he set Duncan, Jenobili, Parker,
Speaker 6: and Danny Green in a nationally televised game against the Heat.
Speaker 6: That's the genesis of this entire Yea.
Speaker 2: He told him to stay home now the game was
Speaker 2: in Miami. He's like, no, stay home. And then all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's like David Stern goes, oh, that's
Speaker 2: gonna cost you. Maybe we call it the pop rule,
Speaker 2: but that's another p Yeah before peace, Yes, Seaton.
Speaker 4: I definitely didn't see it coming where.
Speaker 7: You know, the Utah Jazz they need to tank, so
Speaker 7: they're like, all right, better get market In out of there.
Speaker 2: Then sit them, sit them. We got to lose these games.
Speaker 2: It's not like you go, boy, if we don't sit him,
Speaker 2: we're going to be winning a ton of games. We're
Speaker 2: just going to be through the rest of the league
Speaker 2: if I don't sit him.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, it's kind of like when I'm looking
Speaker 7: at this one article and they say Marketing is a
Speaker 7: quote star player.
Speaker 4: He has quotes around star player.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god, I don't. I don't know if
Speaker 2: a star players should have quotes around it.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He was an All Star in twenty twenty three. Okay,
Speaker 4: it say is star player air quotes?
Speaker 6: In this case, it has to have quotes because it's
Speaker 6: a designation, not an opinion.
Speaker 2: Yes, Tom, what if.
Speaker 5: A player has incentive clauses about how many games they
Speaker 5: played or when they're averaging?
Speaker 3: So like, what if Llowie marketing.
Speaker 5: I don't know what his contract is, but what if
Speaker 5: he's getting affected financially by them telling him to sit?
Speaker 2: Well, he's not going to be an All Star or
Speaker 2: our first team, second team, third team. That's where you
Speaker 2: have to have sixty five games. But I was just
Speaker 2: kind of surprised that you think the opposition goes is
Speaker 2: marketing plan? I don't think so. Now we have a chance.
Speaker 2: You're the Utah Jazz, Yes, Marvin, and.
Speaker 3: They're doing all this just to get the eighth pick
Speaker 3: in the draft.
Speaker 2: M maybe maybe higher than that. Where do they stand
Speaker 2: with the Wizards in New Orleans?
Speaker 3: Or maybe a message is saying, well.
Speaker 2: They got fifteen wins, they got fifteen.
Speaker 3: Wins the lottery. You never know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Yes, Paul Washington has thirteen wins, Utah has fifteen,
Speaker 6: Charlotte sixteen, and New Orleans eighteen. Washington, Utah, and Charlotte
Speaker 6: as of right now weld each have a fourteen percent chance.
Speaker 2: Okay, number one overall, So you're saying we got a chance.
Speaker 2: But if you said to Cooper Flag, where do you
Speaker 2: want to go? He's from Maine, not going to the Celtics.
Speaker 2: If it's Washington, Utah, maybe Charlotte because you've been at Duke.
Speaker 2: Maybe get to play with Alonzo Ball not Lonzo Lamela LaMelo.
Speaker 2: I can't keep it straight, even though I should, because
Speaker 2: there's only one that's really good. Do you want to
Speaker 2: go to DC?
Speaker 3: No? No, it's almost like going to the Jets.
Speaker 2: I think it's worse than the Jets.
Speaker 3: Oh, yes it is, yes for sure. Yeah, because I
Speaker 3: don't think the Wizards have won fifty games in my lifetime.
Speaker 2: You mean in a season, not total in your lifetime, Well.
Speaker 3: In a season, yes, I don't think they've won fifty
Speaker 3: games in my life.
Speaker 2: Well, hear from Josh Allen coming up Seaton. What's pole
Speaker 2: question for hour one?
Speaker 4: It would be great if we I don't know if
Speaker 4: we have enough options for it.
Speaker 7: But the new name for that rule that you were
Speaker 7: just talking about, that would be a lot of fun.
Speaker 4: Maybe we can populate that a bit.
Speaker 2: Okay, pop.
Speaker 4: Should say it's so funny. We're like a bunch of
Speaker 4: seals in here. I said pop in the front row, and.
Speaker 2: We all saw the same pop pop pop pop pop
Speaker 2: pop pop pop?
Speaker 4: Did you just say pop pop?
Speaker 3: You pay us for this, twelve year olds?
Speaker 2: What other pole question might you have?
Speaker 7: Well, we haven't gotten into some of the quote situations
Speaker 7: in the mac Jones going to the forty nine ers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he is.
Speaker 4: A more interesting fella than I think it appears on
Speaker 4: the surf.
Speaker 2: Do you think there'll be a thirty for thirty on
Speaker 2: mac Jones one day? This could be a chapter of it.
Speaker 2: This could be he is.
Speaker 4: He is a wonderful case study and how luck and
Speaker 4: timing play into a successful career.
Speaker 2: At that position. Absolutely.
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Speaker 2: man the last few days here, Tom, let me start
Speaker 2: with the winners and losers. If you were picking out
Speaker 2: one team where you go clearly did better than everybody else.
Speaker 2: And then if I said give me the loser, who
Speaker 2: would you pick the.
Speaker 1: Winners and losers are always tough because a lot of
Speaker 1: the time the biggest free agent signings are the guys
Speaker 1: you see cut two years later, and some of those
Speaker 1: value type signings are the ones that work out the best.
Speaker 1: Look at the Eagles last year with Zach Bond. Nobody
Speaker 1: was talking about that. That was as impactful as anything,
Speaker 1: but he's had a bunch of under the radar signings.
Speaker 1: I would say I think that the teams that were
Speaker 1: active that certly at least made an impact on their
Speaker 1: teams this year. Look at the Patriots defensively, Geiney Milton Williams.
Speaker 1: They had to pay a lot to get him, but
Speaker 1: a game record type. They're playing new defensive scheme with
Speaker 1: Mike Vrabel. They also brought it in Harold Landy who
Speaker 1: got released by the Titans. He's got familiarity with Mike Vrabel,
Speaker 1: Robert Spalane the linebacker, Carlton Davis the corner. I mean, again,
Speaker 1: you'll see, we'll see what because these are all big
Speaker 1: money types of signings, But in terms of the instantaneous impact,
Speaker 1: I think that you're going to see it there. I
Speaker 1: also would say I like at least the philosophy of
Speaker 1: what Seattle is doing, and they've got some more moves
Speaker 1: that they're going to need to make. But in essence,
Speaker 1: you know, they've been going along with Geno Smithy. He
Speaker 1: had wanted a contract redo last year. They don't do
Speaker 1: that with two years left, just organizational philosophy. This year,
Speaker 1: they came to them. They offered him a raise, they
Speaker 1: offered him a deal. Gino didn't like it, did not
Speaker 1: respond well to their offer. At some point they went
Speaker 1: wait to say, we can trade him for a third
Speaker 1: round pick, and then signed Sam Darnold, who's a decade
Speaker 1: younger coming off a Pro Bowl, for a little bit
Speaker 1: less money. We're just gonna we're gonna do that, you know.
Speaker 1: And then DK Metcalf you get you get a second
Speaker 1: round pick out of that deal. They're kind of rebooting,
Speaker 1: you know, year two from Mike McDonald. What I like
Speaker 1: about it is they were ten and seven and they
Speaker 1: didn't go, hey, we're close, we just need it a
Speaker 1: little bit more. Was you know what, ten and seven's
Speaker 1: not the goal. Let's try to go win a championship
Speaker 1: with the coach who's the youngest in the league that
Speaker 1: we think could be really special. Here you know, again,
Speaker 1: they still need wide receiver help. We'll see if they
Speaker 1: get some more here in the coming days as well
Speaker 1: as through the draft. But I thought that the way
Speaker 1: that Seattle looked at this, the way they attacked it,
Speaker 1: I thought, really said something about the focus of their
Speaker 1: front office.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Denver stood out to me quietly, Chicago, did you
Speaker 2: know Washington did? And then you have the other end
Speaker 2: of the spectrum, the team that made you go hmm.
Speaker 1: Well, once again, I think that just anybody looking at
Speaker 1: this says the Cowboys are just so generally inactive that
Speaker 1: it just makes you wonder what's their plan. You know,
Speaker 1: obviously they've got a new coaching staff in there. Brian
Speaker 1: Shot and I were getting promoted to head coach, Matt
Speaker 1: Eberflus coming in as the defensive coordinator. We've seen them
Speaker 1: make some, you know, relatively smaller moves. They traded yesterday
Speaker 1: for a couple of former high draft picks, Kenneth Murray
Speaker 1: and Kyrie Elam. But you know, Murray had been a
Speaker 1: fine player, but that was a salary dump for Tennessee
Speaker 1: and Kyrie Elam it started like twelve games over three years.
Speaker 1: You know, that's kind of like the Jonathan Mingo trade
Speaker 1: they made last year from Carolina, where you know, they
Speaker 1: give up a fourth per a guy that they thought
Speaker 1: was a really top wide receiver in the draft, but
Speaker 1: he hadn't had any you know, he hadn't had a
Speaker 1: lot of productivity, and so you know, their biggest free
Speaker 1: agent sidings at this point. I might be forgetting somebody
Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but you know, Javonte Williams,
Speaker 1: a running back who I was at the game in
Speaker 1: Dallas a couple of years ago when he had the
Speaker 1: best gay of his career, but he had an injury.
Speaker 1: He's not quite at the same level of productivity. You
Speaker 1: had to be sitting there and going when Washington's making
Speaker 1: all these moves, right. They did it the deadline last
Speaker 1: year with the Marshall and Lattimore trade. They did it
Speaker 1: with the Deebo Samuel trade. This year, a Laramie Tunsell trade.
Speaker 1: They're going on in said, hey, we got to catch
Speaker 1: up to the Eagles. We're going to cash in right
Speaker 1: now on a rookie quarterback contract for the Cowboys. They're
Speaker 1: locked in with DAK, they're locked in with CD. They
Speaker 1: got to figure out the Miket thing and they're operating
Speaker 1: like a team, whether it's right or wrong. It doesn't
Speaker 1: have a whole lot of flexibility, and you just wonder.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying what they're doing is wrong, but you
Speaker 1: do wonder, Okay, what's their plan for catching up in
Speaker 1: a really, really competitive division.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if this is true, though, Tom,
Speaker 2: but it feels like Jerry Jones wants to prove how
Speaker 2: smart they are. He is in the draft free agency. Okay,
Speaker 2: I signed checks, but they don't go after free agents.
Speaker 2: And they have done well on the draft, but I
Speaker 2: don't know why. It's like a college coach who doesn't
Speaker 2: believe in the transfer portal. Well, you got Dabo Sweeney
Speaker 2: at Clemson. He doesn't believe in the trent and you're like,
Speaker 2: you better get up to speed. But Jerry is never
Speaker 2: They've never spent money. Who is in Greg Hardy is
Speaker 2: their big free agent signing a decade ago.
Speaker 1: That was a wild while. I saw that stat that's
Speaker 1: the last one they signed to a contract above what
Speaker 1: like eight million dollars per years in free agency. That
Speaker 1: feels like a lifetime ago. And there's a whole Greg
Speaker 1: Hardy side story. We don't need to get into there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, they've not been super active. They've been in
Speaker 1: most cases slower to get their long term contracts done.
Speaker 1: And the problem with that, we see it over and
Speaker 1: over is when you wait on these deals, all that
Speaker 1: does is give more leverage to the player. Whether it's
Speaker 1: because of Dak playing out a franchise tag. It's like,
Speaker 1: why does Dak make sixty million? I see people say
Speaker 1: it all the time, Dak make sixty Josh allension for
Speaker 1: fifty five. It's about leverage. Yeah, Dak played out a
Speaker 1: franchise tag. They were at risk of having to tag
Speaker 1: him a second time, which they did until the paperwork
Speaker 1: went through, and then he played toward the end to
Speaker 1: that deal that he had all the leverage in this case.
Speaker 1: You know the same thing with CD last year where
Speaker 1: Justin Jefferson resets the market. Now you're seeing them with
Speaker 1: Michah Parsons. If the Cowboys jumped out, you know, whether
Speaker 1: it was you know, forget about last year, you jump
Speaker 1: out in March and just say, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: gonna get this deal done with Mikah. You know you're
Speaker 1: Troie probably talking about, hey, we get that about what
Speaker 1: the MASX Crosby number was right, which is like thirty
Speaker 1: five thirty five and a half million dollars a year.
Speaker 1: Now Miles Garrett gets forty you know, Michael Parsons agents
Speaker 1: are sitting there going, great, we'll s sit back and
Speaker 1: wait and see if we get forty one. And now
Speaker 1: you potentially have another off season where it's dominated by
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with Micah. You know, it will give
Speaker 1: me the indication that they're at least open to exploring
Speaker 1: whether or not they would trade him. I know they've
Speaker 1: had internal discussions about, Okay, what's the right thing to
Speaker 1: do when if you sign him for forty million plus,
Speaker 1: that's going to give you a super top heavy type
Speaker 1: of roster here. It's just that's that's kind of the
Speaker 1: Cowboys way of doing business. And I definitely understand the
Speaker 1: frustration of fans who are just going, what's the plan
Speaker 1: to get better again? When you're chasing literally the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl champs who arguably have the best roster in football.
Speaker 2: Tom Pellisero, NFL Network insider, the Aaron Rodgers situation. I'm
Speaker 2: curious about this from the Minnesota standpoint, Why don't they
Speaker 2: just come out and say we're not interested in Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 2: You've already said to JJ McCarthy, we're moving on from
Speaker 2: Sam Darnold. We believe in you if you truly believe
Speaker 2: in JJ McCarthy. Unless they do, they're curious about Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 1: Listen, if the Vikings called Aaron Rodgers today and said, hey,
Speaker 1: what do you think about coming and playing Minnesota, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers would be off that beach with the shawl around
Speaker 1: his shoulders and be on a plane to Minnesota instantly.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the truth. Kevin O'Connell and Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: have a relationship. They're about the same age. Believe it
Speaker 1: or not. They are both California guys. They've known each
Speaker 1: other for years. They talk, they text. But you drafted
Speaker 1: JJ McCarthy last year tenth overall with the philosophy of
Speaker 1: exactly what I was talking about with Washington, where you
Speaker 1: got a young guy on a cost controlled contract, you
Speaker 1: can spend all this money elsewhere, you can use draft picks,
Speaker 1: you can go. We're going to try to win right
Speaker 1: now by taking advantage of the fact that we've got
Speaker 1: the quarterback on the cheap. Aaron Rodgers I believe would
Speaker 1: come and play for not very much money at all
Speaker 1: in Minnesota. But you're still changing the path for JJ
Speaker 1: McCarthy at that point. It would be different if Sam
Speaker 1: Darnold were coming back off the year he had, they
Speaker 1: made him an offer, Seattle offered a way more money.
Speaker 1: He's gone. Daniel Jones they tried to bring back. They
Speaker 1: give themselves an option here just because JJ McCarthy is
Speaker 1: in a very rare position where not only did he
Speaker 1: not play as a working he didn't take a rep
Speaker 1: the whole season, and there's no precedent for that. But
Speaker 1: once those two options went away, my understanding has been
Speaker 1: the most likely scenario, highly likely, is that JJ McCarthy
Speaker 1: is going to be the starting quarterback and they'll pursue
Speaker 1: a backup option. Why have they not ruled it out publicly?
Speaker 1: I would say the Vikings philosophically just don't rule anything
Speaker 1: out publicly. Is there some scenario here where, I mean,
Speaker 1: think about this. Did JJ McCarthy has a setback in rehab.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he has, saying if that were to
Speaker 1: happen right in may Or he tweaked something in OTAs
Speaker 1: and Aaron's sitting out there still wandering in the sand,
Speaker 1: maybe you go, hey, this is exactly the type of
Speaker 1: opportunity here, you know, and I think that you know
Speaker 1: from Aaron's perspective, and listen, there's only one person inside
Speaker 1: his head. Aaron's deep inside there.
Speaker 10: You know.
Speaker 1: He's got to make up his decision about what he
Speaker 1: wants to do. Does he really want to play? And
Speaker 1: at some point some of the options that he's got
Speaker 1: right now potentially are going to go away. I mean
Speaker 1: because right now Russell Wilson's in Cleveland today. If all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Browns and I don't know that
Speaker 1: this is going to happen, but let's say the Browns
Speaker 1: decide we'd like to make you an offer, we'd like
Speaker 1: to bring you in. And now all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: the Steelers are in a situation of all right, we
Speaker 1: can either keep waiting for Aaron, who learned a lot
Speaker 1: from Brett Farvre, and when Brett Favre went from the
Speaker 1: Jets to the Vikings, he signed on August eighteenth in
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine. We can't sit here and just wait.
Speaker 1: We don't want to lose Russell Wilson would be playing
Speaker 1: c because Justin Fields has planning. We don't want to
Speaker 1: go from A to B to C to whatever is D.
Speaker 1: We need to do something right now. That's where the
Speaker 1: teams at some point might need to move forward. Hasn't
Speaker 1: happened yet, but that time is coming here. And as
Speaker 1: much as Aaron might feel like he needs to meditate
Speaker 1: on this and really get in touch with all the
Speaker 1: different factors in his life, at some point it's you
Speaker 1: got to make a decision, and time will tell how
Speaker 1: much how much lease the teams are willing to give
Speaker 1: him to do that.
Speaker 2: I don't let Russell Wilson out of the building. If
Speaker 2: I'm Cleveland, I just say, hey, Russ, let's make this work.
Speaker 2: You can show Pittsburgh. We'll come back and haunt Pittsburgh
Speaker 2: here and you know whatever your reclamation tour. And I
Speaker 2: wonder if the Steelers could be kind of like, let's
Speaker 2: say Aaron Rodgers says, hey, you know what I'm gonna
Speaker 2: play for the Giants, Like Pittsburgh could be Duck Devlin
Speaker 2: or whoever, like, don't I don't know what Plant Gardner,
Speaker 2: Minshew or Drew Long, like they could be down to
Speaker 2: plan D here.
Speaker 1: I love a good Devlin Duck Hodges reference in the morning. Dan, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean listen, they're they're there are some other things
Speaker 1: out there. But yeah, let's let's game this out. Let's
Speaker 1: game out the situation that you just did, which I
Speaker 1: talked through with some people this morning. Let's say, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen, Let's say the
Speaker 1: Browns signed Russell Wilson today. Now the Giants and the
Speaker 1: Steelers are waiting on one guy who may or may
Speaker 1: not even decide that he ultimately wants to play football
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five. Your other options beyond that are
Speaker 1: you try to get Kirk Cousins out of Atlanta, where
Speaker 1: that's still an evolving situation there. He's do twenty seven
Speaker 1: point five fully guaranteed another ten million or twenty twenty
Speaker 1: six vess if he's on the roster comes Sunday. The
Speaker 1: Falcons don't seem concerned about that at all, because they figure, hey,
Speaker 1: another ten million invest two years from now, he'll probably
Speaker 1: make that and it'll be offset anyway, so not a
Speaker 1: big deal. They're gonna wait. But Kirk also has no
Speaker 1: trade clause. He might not want to go to certain
Speaker 1: teams that might have an interest in him, so that's
Speaker 1: one option. Then after that, you're into. Is Joe Flacco
Speaker 1: a starter in the NFL somewhere this season, Jamis Winston,
Speaker 1: Drew Locke is still out there. You try to make
Speaker 1: something out of Trey Lance, I mean your option, your
Speaker 1: list of options are getting shorter here. I don't know, frankly,
Speaker 1: if any of these options down they're big names. I
Speaker 1: don't know if any of these options are stuff that
Speaker 1: fans are going to, you know, blow up the phone
Speaker 1: lines or get online and buy tickets to go see
Speaker 1: forty one year old old Aaron Rodgers, thirty six year
Speaker 1: old Russell Wilson, forty forty one year old Joe Flackball.
Speaker 1: I don't know that any of these are, you know,
Speaker 1: the options that are going to like spur you, not
Speaker 1: the way it did when the Jets traded for Rodgers
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. But they are competent quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: and in a quarterback draft where there is very little
Speaker 1: certainty beyond cam Ward probably be in the first quarterback
Speaker 1: and quite possibly the number one overall pick. You know,
Speaker 1: at least locking in somebody who you know can go
Speaker 1: out and function an offense and get the ball to
Speaker 1: your playmakers. It gives you a little bit more options.
Speaker 1: Can they afford the next week?
Speaker 2: Can they afford another nine and eight season? Can Mike
Speaker 2: Tomlin afford another nine and eight? Maybe you make the
Speaker 2: playoffs and you bowl out again in the first round.
Speaker 1: I think Mike Comlin has a very unique situation Pittsburgh,
Speaker 1: and I've talked with ur Rooney for it before. Ur
Speaker 1: Rooney's belief, and he got this from his father and
Speaker 1: his grandfather was as long as the coach's voice is
Speaker 1: still resonating in the locker room, you feel like people
Speaker 1: believe in him. They're not gonna move. But I would
Speaker 1: say the Steelers are not standing pat They just traded
Speaker 1: a second round pick to go get DK Metcalf and
Speaker 1: gave him the biggest contract for a non quarterback in
Speaker 1: franchise history. So the Steelers are being proactive here. If
Speaker 1: I'm George Pickens and I'm DK Metcalf right now, I
Speaker 1: definitely want to know who's throwing me the football. Russell Wilson. Listen,
Speaker 1: he's thirty six. He doesn't move as well. He doesn't
Speaker 1: throw the ball as well in the middle of the
Speaker 1: field as he used to is he doesn't have the
Speaker 1: same escapability. If there's one thing he does it's throw
Speaker 1: the ball to the perimeter, fifty to fifty balls, let
Speaker 1: your big receivers go and get it. Well, the Steelers
Speaker 1: have the biggest outside receivers in the game right now
Speaker 1: with Pickens and Metcalf here. I know that people are
Speaker 1: going to look at that and say it's not a
Speaker 1: really alluring option. But for the Steelers, if that's where
Speaker 1: this ends up, it does make some sense to give
Speaker 1: it one more shot. Hope Russ is healthy and could
Speaker 1: find you know, seventeen games like he found about those
Speaker 1: first four or five he played last year.
Speaker 2: Any chance, Well, I guess the Niners are going to
Speaker 2: sign rock Party, right, That's not in doubt.
Speaker 1: They're negotiating, They have had negotiations exchange bargaining proposals. I
Speaker 1: would anticipate that they are going to get Brock purty side.
Speaker 1: As for mac Jones, because I know that's where you're going.
Speaker 1: They obviously there was a lot of discussions about them
Speaker 1: taking him in the draft in twenty twenty one. They
Speaker 1: ultimately opted for Trey Lance. They actually tried to trade
Speaker 1: for mac Jones last year when he got traded to Jacksonville,
Speaker 1: but they offered a really low pick. The Patriots decided
Speaker 1: to send them to the Jaguars instead. So this is
Speaker 1: like the third swing to Kyle Shanahan and company have
Speaker 1: made at bringing in mac Jones. And let's say something
Speaker 1: were to happen to brock Purty if he were to
Speaker 1: get banged up. I think they feel good about mac
Speaker 1: Jones going in, but this is not there. From my
Speaker 1: understanding on the brock Purty negotiations, they still want to
Speaker 1: get him locked up for the long haul. If you
Speaker 1: look at the numbers, even in a quote unquote down
Speaker 1: year for him last year, he's still one of the
Speaker 1: most efficient quarterbacks in football. The key is going to
Speaker 1: be what's that number at a time that we think
Speaker 1: about this, And the highest paid quarterback two years ago
Speaker 1: in the NFL for a brief moment was Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: at fifty one million a year. He is now the
Speaker 1: tenth highest paid quarterback. You wonder where's all those cap
Speaker 1: dollars go? The caps it's loaded by twenty five percent.
Speaker 1: Most of that's gone to the quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: Thanks for spending time, and I know you're busy. Thank
Speaker 2: you again, Tom, you got it do It's Tom Pelsero,
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Speaker 2: He's the Hall of Famer, three time Super Bowl champ
Speaker 2: of the Niners. Steve Young back on the program. Steve,
Speaker 2: we were wondering, did you ever have a full time
Speaker 2: job aside from being a football player when you got
Speaker 2: out of high school and you went to BYU, did
Speaker 2: you ever have a job like you know some of
Speaker 2: ninety nine percent of the rest of Americans, where maybe
Speaker 2: you wash dishes or something. So Todd, let me start
Speaker 2: with you, Steve Young. Did he have a job and
Speaker 2: what job was it?
Speaker 5: I think he did have a was some kind of
Speaker 5: paralegal or something with a loan or something along.
Speaker 2: Okay, I know, hold on, hold on, hold on, I
Speaker 2: got to go round the room. Everybody gets a guess here.
Speaker 2: But you know, keep in mind, he grew up in Greenwich,
Speaker 2: Connecticut Street Street, the other side of the tracks in Greenwich.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: See, oh boy, yeah, that really changes things, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: I think he has had a job. I think it
Speaker 4: was more like working at someone's store store.
Speaker 2: Okay, Marvin.
Speaker 3: The Great One worked at a car dealership, card dealership, Paul.
Speaker 6: Real specific when he's young, a caddie in Greenwich, and
Speaker 6: when he was in college, probably like an internship with
Speaker 6: a hedge fund or something.
Speaker 2: I'm going to say probably had a paper route. And
Speaker 2: I'm going to say that he worked. I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: he worked for his father, Steve.
Speaker 8: All right, So uh, the young family had the famous
Speaker 8: paper and I started it for you that's when we
Speaker 8: were little. That doesn't really count, but I'm giving you
Speaker 8: the credit for it because I got to tell you
Speaker 8: the story that my brother the worst day of the
Speaker 8: paper out was when you had to go collect the
Speaker 8: money and knock on the door and ask for the
Speaker 8: dollar thirty for the Granwich.
Speaker 10: Times, you know, as a pain. And one day my
Speaker 10: brother told my mom I'm not doing it, and I'm not.
Speaker 8: She got so sick of it. And this is great
Speaker 8: like story when my mom punches my brother as hard
Speaker 8: as it puts them back against the wall, and we
Speaker 8: laugh about it today that my mom, who is the
Speaker 8: greatest peacemaker of all time, who would never like her
Speaker 8: to fleet, somehow got so enraged.
Speaker 10: Because my brother would not go collect for the Greenwich dunch.
Speaker 10: She punched him.
Speaker 8: So anyway, I was in high school and in college,
Speaker 8: I worked all summers with landscape company bucket Lands, her
Speaker 8: own man in Grantwich, Connecticut, and I ran a whole
Speaker 8: truck of guys. And a funny thing about Greenwich is
Speaker 8: you pull up to these big places, these biggest states,
Speaker 8: you know, to go cut their lawn, and all the
Speaker 8: moms like, come inside, the landscapers are here.
Speaker 10: We don't want to mix company. And I was like,
Speaker 10: you know, I was.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 10: It was rough and tumble back then. Yeah, that was
Speaker 10: my job. That hedge fun thing is great. Yeah that works.
Speaker 9: Sure.
Speaker 2: Okay, if you're Aaron Rodgers, I'm gonna make you Aaron Rodgers,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna give you the opportunity for Pittsburgh and
Speaker 2: New York with maybe the possibility of the Vikings. What
Speaker 2: would you do.
Speaker 10: I'd sprint to the Vikings if possible.
Speaker 8: I'm you know why Sam would leave a place where
Speaker 8: he knows you're gonna thrive me because they had to.
Speaker 10: They told me what he'd have a spot.
Speaker 8: But you've got to find Dan in today's game, You've
Speaker 8: got to find a place where someone has left. Kyle
Speaker 8: Shanahan Sean McVay or Andy Reid and understands the new
Speaker 8: kind of run to the future that is necessary to
Speaker 8: be great for quarterbacks.
Speaker 10: And then you got to run to those teams.
Speaker 8: And that's what Sam found in San Francisco briefly as
Speaker 8: a backup and then as a starter in Minnesota.
Speaker 10: So I'd run McConnell's fast as any of them, because.
Speaker 8: That's what you if you're gonna have, if you're gonna
Speaker 8: thrive in today's game, especially with what all that Aaron
Speaker 8: knows he was, he was born and raised in a
Speaker 8: more sophisticated era of the NFL.
Speaker 10: He can take advantage of him.
Speaker 8: That's why Tom Brady, I think we've talked about this before,
Speaker 8: towards the end of his career, ran into him in
Speaker 8: a money night game and I go, what's the difference
Speaker 8: between the old before the rule changes and now he goes, well,
Speaker 8: now the flats are always open, the middle of the
Speaker 8: field is unpatrolled, and no one can hit me. And
Speaker 8: so Aaron understands that, Like, that's why people can play
Speaker 8: in their forties, because we know we learned at a
Speaker 8: more sophisticated time. So get to a place that understands
Speaker 8: the future and go dominate.
Speaker 10: I don't. I look, if you that's to me, that's
Speaker 10: an obvious one. If that's a chance.
Speaker 2: Okay, but does Pittsburgh make sense for him if they
Speaker 2: want him?
Speaker 8: No, we had to go win some games. Yeah, but
Speaker 8: they're not built. They don't they have him not run
Speaker 8: to the future as far as the quarterback position. And
Speaker 8: those are the teams that are in the Super Bowl year,
Speaker 8: they're in the Championship game. Every year they're they go
Speaker 8: deep in the playoffs. And so I would say, yeah,
Speaker 8: go on with your bad stuff. If you don't want
Speaker 8: to play, you know, you don't want to retire.
Speaker 3: I'm not.
Speaker 10: I'm not done.
Speaker 8: Look at playing playing Pittsburgh's amazing. I mean it's you know,
Speaker 8: they're gonna win a lot of games. They always do,
Speaker 8: and he can help me win more. But I just
Speaker 8: I think the way I see the game today, the
Speaker 8: way the NFL is built. You know, you got to
Speaker 8: you know New York Giants.
Speaker 2: No, No, okay, but are the Eagles in that same
Speaker 2: blueprint that you're talking about, because yeah.
Speaker 8: I look, Dan, I know you're trying to trick me
Speaker 8: here and try to catch me on my my little theory. Yes,
Speaker 8: because they have a quarterback that's still, you know, is
Speaker 8: gonna threaten the line of scrimmage every play. They've got
Speaker 8: a unique way to run the football, just like the
Speaker 8: forty nine ers did, and I give them credit for that,
Speaker 8: But the idea that you're now gonna go win super
Speaker 8: Bowls by playing great defense in a running game is
Speaker 8: just not the way that it's gonna get done. You
Speaker 8: have a very dynamic quarterback position, which they do have,
Speaker 8: and I think that's where they are a team of
Speaker 8: the future in that way. They have a unique way
Speaker 8: to do it with Saquon, which I give them as
Speaker 8: an anomaly. But you know, the idea that today's game,
Speaker 8: you can throw together a number one defense and a
Speaker 8: great running game and go wing the Super Bowl doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: But if I gave you Saquon Barkley or Justin Jefferson.
Speaker 8: It's these stupid bar fights, like you know, yeah, I
Speaker 8: in today's game, Justin Jefferson with a great, renovative offensive
Speaker 8: mind and and a quarterback that understands the position that
Speaker 8: can really thrive, those are the guys that go. So
Speaker 8: I'd go that way.
Speaker 2: Did you call it a stupid bar fight? That well,
Speaker 2: Let's what is this I do for a living?
Speaker 8: I know, but sometimes you just gotta you gotta admire
Speaker 8: and and just stand back and just say, look, people
Speaker 8: are great, and I don't want to have to pick
Speaker 8: you know, you know how hard it is to be great,
Speaker 8: and then you want to pick between great like I
Speaker 8: don't know's.
Speaker 10: It's a bar fight.
Speaker 2: It's just a fun philosophical question. As a quarterback, who
Speaker 2: do you want the guy right behind me?
Speaker 8: Let's let's do more of it. Let what can we
Speaker 8: talk about Mohammed Ali versus what do you want to do?
Speaker 2: You call it better quarterback? You were Montana.
Speaker 10: I didn't even have to. I was just sitting here
Speaker 10: going I know, I know, listen, you made me do that.
Speaker 10: It's good. I was at Tomam and Ali, I was
Speaker 10: trying to get you off traps.
Speaker 2: Do you get a Christmas card from Joe Montana's family?
Speaker 10: Uh No, but I don't. I mean, look, don't try to.
Speaker 10: We never fought. We didn't, we never had a fight,
Speaker 10: we never had a disagreement, we never I.
Speaker 2: Just asked Hi about a Christmas card.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 8: No, I'm just trying to say, I'm trying to get
Speaker 8: ahead of you now because I'm trying to get you off,
Speaker 8: but I'm trying to get ahead of you.
Speaker 2: Steve Young, the Hall of Famer joining us on the show.
Speaker 2: You are on record, I think beginning of February where
Speaker 2: you talked about the Niners need to make or not make.
Speaker 2: Maybe that sounds strong rock Party take advantage of his legs.
Speaker 2: He's not Jayden Daniels, but I think your quote was
Speaker 2: he could be eighty percent of Jayden daniel Right, you
Speaker 2: truly believe that.
Speaker 9: I do.
Speaker 10: I think he's nifty right.
Speaker 8: You saw him in the pocket, He move around, he
Speaker 8: can carry the football out of the huddle. Look, I
Speaker 8: don't want to go back over it again. But because
Speaker 8: the field has gotten bigger, essentially because of the rule changes,
Speaker 8: you can't launch your body at defenders can't patrol the
Speaker 8: field as well as they can.
Speaker 10: It's the game is.
Speaker 8: Quarterback position has to threaten the line of scrimmage every play.
Speaker 8: They don't need to go do it, but the threat
Speaker 8: needs to be there. It's too powerful and the players
Speaker 8: that the quarterbacks that are doing that every play are
Speaker 8: the ones that are thriving.
Speaker 10: And so for Brock, he can threaten the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 8: Essentially, as fast or as strong or all the stuff
Speaker 8: that other guys do, but he can't do it. And
Speaker 8: I think you have to lead into it, because if
Speaker 8: you don't threaten the line of scrimmage, all you're going
Speaker 8: to do is be a processing, a phenomenal processing quarterback,
Speaker 8: and every play is out of the huddle, and we're
Speaker 8: going to just complete lots of passes.
Speaker 10: Then you're gonna have to go the retail way, right,
Speaker 10: you have to go the long way in today's game.
Speaker 8: There's shortcuts everywhere, and you got to take advantage of them.
Speaker 8: And and and so I think he can do more
Speaker 8: of that. And I think that and as they try
Speaker 8: to iterate, Look, when the world changes happen, there's three
Speaker 8: guys that ran into the future, Andy Reid, Kyle Shan
Speaker 8: and Sean McVay, and every coach that come out that's
Speaker 8: been thriving in the NFL's come from those guys, and
Speaker 8: they've all kind of they had a tactical advantage for six,
Speaker 8: seven to eight years.
Speaker 10: That tactical advantage has gone.
Speaker 8: Now there's too many guys out they're teaching the same thing.
Speaker 8: So there's got to be a new iteration of it,
Speaker 8: a new you know, uh real, you know, kind of
Speaker 8: reinvent yourself. And so for Kyle and Brock, to me,
Speaker 8: it's leaning into threatening the line of scrimmage with him
Speaker 8: carrying the football. I know that sounds scary to people
Speaker 8: and that's how he gets hurt and all that kind
Speaker 8: of stuff. But in today's game, you have to do
Speaker 8: it or if you're going to be championship football.
Speaker 2: It's look at the amount of money that the quarterbacks
Speaker 2: make and they defer, you know, they restructure their deals.
Speaker 2: At what point do you think a quarterback should have
Speaker 2: a say in what is done with the money that
Speaker 2: they're freeing up like Mahomes Josh Allen yep? Should they
Speaker 2: be able to have input in free agency?
Speaker 8: Look, given enough time, in a million years, all sports
Speaker 8: leagues will be owned by the players, right because they're
Speaker 8: the ones that are on the field. They'll they'll be
Speaker 8: the equity owners. It's inevitable over a million years. It's
Speaker 8: just that football is going to be a really long time.
Speaker 8: But I think that in that sense, players, especially the
Speaker 8: ones that you've invested to be the you know, the
Speaker 8: pillars of your of your of your team, should be included,
Speaker 8: should be included those personnel conversations should be included in
Speaker 8: the draft.
Speaker 10: The biggest mistake, And I told Aaron Rodd, I told Tom,
Speaker 10: I took pay.
Speaker 8: I told anyone I could that the biggest mistake I
Speaker 8: made was not Look, I don't want to say that.
Speaker 8: I did not wanted to do unnatural things and walk
Speaker 8: in and tell him you better draft that guy, or
Speaker 8: you better take care of me, or you better No.
Speaker 8: But I wish that I would have gone into them,
Speaker 8: into the room and and and how to say, and
Speaker 8: had the conversation and talk through it and try to
Speaker 8: make sure that we were, you know, as a as
Speaker 8: a quarterback, trying to advocate for what felt like we
Speaker 8: needed to try to take care of. And I encourage
Speaker 8: players to do it with the right spirit, with the
Speaker 8: right you know, the way to do it it with tactically,
Speaker 8: that's appropriate, that kind of thing. But but absolutely, Dan,
Speaker 8: if you're going to do a quarterback a team friendly
Speaker 8: deal over many, many years, you better you got to
Speaker 8: tell me you're going to be part of those conversations.
Speaker 10: Absolutely well.
Speaker 2: You can only imagine what Aaron Rodgers felt when he's
Speaker 2: watching the draft and they decided to take Jordan Love
Speaker 2: and they gave him a five minute there's tough moments.
Speaker 8: I look, I'm not I'm not even trying to avoid
Speaker 8: that or like, oh don't I you know, I'm gonna
Speaker 8: go and advocate.
Speaker 6: You better not do.
Speaker 8: I'm not talking about threatening. What I'm trying to do
Speaker 8: is is build a partnership in personnel. Because what I
Speaker 8: what my experience was, and I'm sure it's still the same.
Speaker 8: We watched every player, every draft class come in the
Speaker 8: first OTA, and we as players were all look at
Speaker 8: the guys that they drafted and like, yeah, he's pretty
Speaker 8: good or oh he sucks, you know right away, and like,
Speaker 8: as players, if we have that sense in fifteen minutes,
Speaker 8: I'm overstating it, but in a very short amount of time,
Speaker 8: why would we not be invited into at least give
Speaker 8: an opinion about what we see in a certain player,
Speaker 8: a certain thing. I can think of Geno Carmazi or
Speaker 8: I mean, like, we had lots of draft guys at quarterback,
Speaker 8: Like what did you maybe let me work the guy out?
Speaker 8: Why when you have the quarterback Like that's to me,
Speaker 8: that's a big mistake that the league continues to make
Speaker 8: and not you know, kind of getting the opinion of
Speaker 8: the players that are.
Speaker 10: On the field.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much you saw them should or
Speaker 2: Sanders the past two seasons, but it feels like, you know,
Speaker 2: we get to this point of leading up to the
Speaker 2: draft and then you start to get opinions like we
Speaker 2: build you up and then we tear you down. And
Speaker 2: it certainly happens at that position. And I don't know
Speaker 2: how much of a role or factor in Deon Sanders
Speaker 2: with Shador Sanders or maybe teams are, you know, saying
Speaker 2: negative things so he'll slide a little bit, which I
Speaker 2: always find amazing that Wow, we're not going to take
Speaker 2: him now. They said, you know some bad things about him.
Speaker 2: What do you think of Shudoor Sanders as an NFL quarterback?
Speaker 8: I feel like we better talk about Dion for a
Speaker 8: second because it's so much a part of the conversation.
Speaker 8: And I think I've I shared this with you, but
Speaker 8: if I haven't, I'll do it really quick. When he
Speaker 8: joined the forty nine Ers, he pulled me aside and said, Steve,
Speaker 8: I am the best teammate you'll ever have. I show
Speaker 8: up every day, I'm ready to practice, I'm ready to play.
Speaker 8: I'll always be there and I have your back. That's set.
Speaker 10: Now.
Speaker 8: The rest of it is a parade that I want
Speaker 8: you to just get some popcorn and enjoy because it's
Speaker 8: gonna be a good time, you know. And that's exactly
Speaker 8: what he did. So I take that and it's exactly
Speaker 8: who he was and who I think he is today.
Speaker 8: It's it's there's a parade, and get your popcorn and
Speaker 8: enjoy the prein I think Shador is part of that,
Speaker 8: part of that same philosophy, right, It's like there's a
Speaker 8: prey to enjoy and the popcorn everything.
Speaker 10: But is he ready to play football? Is he going
Speaker 10: to do the hard work?
Speaker 8: Is going to be in the classroom, studying and memorizing
Speaker 8: and getting ready to I think those are all things
Speaker 8: that his dad would say, Hey, buddy, you better, you
Speaker 8: better be ready to play ball.
Speaker 10: And so in that way, I'm not going to listen
Speaker 10: to the noise I think that should. It's gonna be
Speaker 10: a The question is about that the pure rock talent.
Speaker 8: It's not going to be about his work ethic, his
Speaker 8: ability to you know, put the time into all that
Speaker 8: kind of stuff.
Speaker 10: I have no I have no worries about that.
Speaker 2: But you know, we used to say you had to
Speaker 2: be six four. You know, we're looking for that guy
Speaker 2: who's six four or sometype.
Speaker 8: The prototype Dan was in the pocket deliver the football.
Speaker 8: That was because the game was different. The game is
Speaker 8: now like if you how many teams are still in
Speaker 8: the past, Like it is now a time where the
Speaker 8: quarterback has to leave the huddle every day down with
Speaker 8: a threat to with to attack the line of scrimmage
Speaker 8: and make the defense worry. They're getting up free first
Speaker 8: downs and free touchdowns. And every great quarterback today the
Speaker 8: prototype is a guy that can run around, throw it
Speaker 8: all over the field, but yet can still do the
Speaker 8: traditional job of sitting in the pocket delivering the football.
Speaker 8: That's the That's Matt Patrick, Mahomes, that's the guy. And
Speaker 8: Shador he definitely fits the prototype. It might not be
Speaker 8: size and weight exactly, but absolutely a prototype.
Speaker 10: Kind of player.
Speaker 2: To give me the guy, the guy who was successful
Speaker 2: as a quarterback where you go it didn't make sense,
Speaker 2: but he made it work. Like Drew Brees always amazed
Speaker 2: me because I go, yeah, how does he do this?
Speaker 2: And you know he was always had his head up.
Speaker 2: I mean he was always looking downfield, all around always.
Speaker 2: But is there somebody that you played with or against,
Speaker 2: and you go, I don't know how he does it
Speaker 2: because it's just at his size, it's unique.
Speaker 8: Uh well, yeah, I mean when I when I met
Speaker 8: Russell Wilson and I was like, oh my gosh, that dude.
Speaker 8: I mean, I didn't realize how much taller I was.
Speaker 8: That made me feel good like I was dominating here.
Speaker 8: But it's anyone. But I I admire people that are
Speaker 8: shorter that can play the game because you know, there
Speaker 8: is an element of you know, kind of visibility.
Speaker 2: But Drew Brees doesn't make sense because he's not fast,
Speaker 2: he's not quick.
Speaker 10: But but but but he lived in it.
Speaker 8: He lived in an era where processing was the king,
Speaker 8: it was the only king. And and in today's game,
Speaker 8: processing is vital, but it's it doesn't It's not all
Speaker 8: you have to have. You have to have the ability
Speaker 8: to run around threat in the line of scribage. That's
Speaker 8: why IM trying to tell you is it's different if
Speaker 8: you talk about a you know, a player that stood
Speaker 8: in one place his whole career back in the prototype days,
Speaker 8: a previous prototype.
Speaker 10: I don't know that that person would thrive in today's game.
Speaker 10: It's just that different.
Speaker 2: Would you be a Hall of Famer in today's game.
Speaker 8: This is Dan, come on, this is my game. I
Speaker 8: mean I was an audity back in the day. I
Speaker 8: was the guy who's like, he's a scrambler.
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 8: Bill Watsh was the only one that I remember, and
Speaker 8: luckily I was close to him that looked at me
Speaker 8: in the eye and said, look, because you can run,
Speaker 8: you're going to be better. I believe it makes you
Speaker 8: more powerful, it makes you like the other one else
Speaker 8: was like, this is an oddity. Tie his legs up,
Speaker 8: you can't move. It's stupid. We don't need any It's
Speaker 8: crazy scrambling, crazy guy like I was. I was absolutely
Speaker 8: an audity in today's game.
Speaker 10: It is I am. I am the prototype, Dad, I am.
Speaker 10: I am ready to go. Just give me a call
Speaker 10: and I'll.
Speaker 2: Are you better than Lamar Jackson in today's game?
Speaker 10: Still? What is okay? I can't help? But can you?
Speaker 10: It's like it's like you're drawing like a like a
Speaker 10: fly to the to.
Speaker 2: The point, why are you? You're fired up today?
Speaker 6: Like you?
Speaker 2: We want to test you a little bit here. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's all I'm doing.
Speaker 8: But I would say, while we're on with Lamar, you
Speaker 8: know he's one of my favorites, and I think that
Speaker 8: he is the absolute prototype and his his greatness is
Speaker 8: not still yet found because he hasn't found them to
Speaker 8: be great and needed lots of help innovative minds and
Speaker 8: offense today with lots of talent around you that can
Speaker 8: run all over the field, like they're getting closer. B
Speaker 8: Baltemarre finally capitulated a couple of years ago and said, Okay,
Speaker 8: we're in. We're gonna get out of the sophisticated running game.
Speaker 10: We're gonna come. We're commit. We're gonna get you some
Speaker 10: some some uh, you.
Speaker 8: Know, offensive minds that are gonna help you thrive as
Speaker 8: a quarterback and if and get some talent out of
Speaker 8: the wide receiver and really kind of down they're half
Speaker 8: what there's sixty percent of the way there of who
Speaker 8: Lamar Jackson could be. And if you want to compare, uh,
Speaker 8: he's if we raced my peek in his peak, he's quicker.
Speaker 10: There's no doubt. Man. He can make people miss. I
Speaker 10: can make people miss. Not like him, but if we raced,
Speaker 10: I don't know, I don't know, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know, you mean like a forty or one hundred.
Speaker 10: I think like a forty or even a thirty. You
Speaker 10: know what I mean, like ra like top end speed.
Speaker 10: You know what I mean. I don't know. We'll see
Speaker 10: I was. I was sneaky. I was sneaky. I ran
Speaker 10: down a lot of interceptors and then I.
Speaker 3: Cleaned up my pass.
Speaker 10: I have Tom look it up. No one ever I
Speaker 10: picked six was unheard of with me.
Speaker 1: Never who would be?
Speaker 10: I think I was cleaning it up. But I could
Speaker 10: chase him down, and I dragged down.
Speaker 2: A lot of guys who would be better at delivering papers.
Speaker 2: It would be faster.
Speaker 10: You were.
Speaker 2: Lamar Jackson'd be tight.
Speaker 10: Man close the collection day. He had to be on
Speaker 10: the door. Who knows you taking people at the door.
Speaker 8: The kid can't find his mom, they don't have the money,
Speaker 8: and then they could get really fucked up.
Speaker 2: I hope I didn't set the tone for your day
Speaker 2: or ruin your day, because you know, this is therapy
Speaker 2: for me, Dad.
Speaker 10: Someone wants to talk football at my house.
Speaker 2: This is like, oh God, you're surrounded by women.
Speaker 8: I know, it's just uh, they love they love the
Speaker 8: game because they you know, like Taylor Swift said, it
Speaker 8: was okay, So.
Speaker 10: They're like.
Speaker 2: Yes, Todd Steve Young during his NFL career, Dodd, No, no.
Speaker 10: No, the number off and fight out. There was a
Speaker 10: pick six.
Speaker 9: No, not doing that.
Speaker 3: I have the number of pick sixes.
Speaker 2: I thought, we need, no, we need He brought it up.
Speaker 5: What is it? Eleven interceptions returned for touchdown?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 10: Wow, Wow, it's impossible. Wow, that is impossible.
Speaker 2: You know what.
Speaker 8: That's what scares me a little bit, Dan, is that
Speaker 8: when you live in your own little private Idaho and.
Speaker 10: You think, you know what this is, how great.
Speaker 2: You were right until you got on this over in
Speaker 2: the corner.
Speaker 10: He just wants to just, you know, tear you down.
Speaker 2: One interceptions, Todd, can you see how many Montana through
Speaker 2: pick sixes? Here? We gotta go, we have to go.
Speaker 10: That's the best.
Speaker 2: Thank you, buddy,