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Speaker 1: Welcome to Playmakers everyone. I'm Haley Elwood. It is Week

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Speaker 1: eighteen and there is a big game for the Chargers

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Speaker 1: to face the Raiders. It is a winner take all game,

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Speaker 1: winning get into the playoffs. But as for Playmakers, this week,

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Speaker 1: we're going back to what this podcast is all about,

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Speaker 1: not as highlighting amazing women who are making an impact

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Speaker 1: in this industry. So joining me this week our journalist

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Speaker 1: Jane Skinner Goodell, and also Sam Rappaport, who is the

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Speaker 1: NFL Senior Director of Diversity, Equity and Inclusion, to discuss

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Speaker 1: their podcast and TV series Earning It. Let's now welcome

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Speaker 1: in Jane and Sam. Thank you both so much for

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Speaker 1: coming on and joining Playmakers this week. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Haley, great to be here. Thanks for having a

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Speaker 1: high Sam. Hello, I know friends of the show, I

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Speaker 1: should say, because I both had you on a couple

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Speaker 1: on together for this episode. Earning It the NFL's Forward

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Speaker 1: Progress is the name of the podcast. For those who

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Speaker 1: are listening, you can find it anywhere you get your podcast. Jane,

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Speaker 1: I will start with you. What was the genesis behind

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Speaker 1: starting earning it? Well, there's actually kind of a funny

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Speaker 1: story about how I approached Sam, which we can tell

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Speaker 1: in a minute. But I call it the podcast a

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Speaker 1: companion to the NBC and NFL Films series that I'm

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Speaker 1: producing with a lot of other women who are at

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Speaker 1: NFL Films who are like fantastic, and a bunch of

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Speaker 1: their favorite projects. So it's going to be a five

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Speaker 1: part series. We do these deep dits on women both

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Speaker 1: on and off the field. And then I decided the

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Speaker 1: only reason, like when you see Callie Bronson with the

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Speaker 1: see them on the field, and like Laurie was in

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl winning team this year, is because of

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Speaker 1: Sam Rappaport. I happen to have been lucky enough to be,

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Speaker 1: I think Sam as that's right you, he said to her.

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Speaker 1: I have this dream, and this dream is that I

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Speaker 1: played professional tackle football. She was as an amazing quarterback,

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Speaker 1: incredible athlete. I have all these women I know who

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Speaker 1: how it started this whole seed. So when I've been

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Speaker 1: the Women's Forum. So that is my very long answer.

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Speaker 1: But to your question specifically, Hailey, like the Women's Forum,

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Speaker 1: this conversation. This is awesome. Everyone tune into earning it,

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Speaker 1: tuning into the NBC series as well. We are so

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Speaker 1: excited for that. Thank you both so much. Again, we

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Speaker 1: really really appreciate it. Thanks Hayley. We'll see in La

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Speaker 1: pretty soon.