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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre.

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Speaker 2: What is up? Straight firefam hits me Jason McIntyre, Straight

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Speaker 2: Fire for Friday, August the second. Oh boy, the football

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Speaker 2: season is underway kind of sort of. I don't know

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Speaker 2: what you guys thought of that preseason game. Not the

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Speaker 2: crispest of football. But I'll say this. I will say this,

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Speaker 2: The new kickoff had me just kind of sitting there

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Speaker 2: and you just kind of watch it. It's gonna take

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Speaker 2: a little while to get used to that. That is

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Speaker 2: the thing that jumped off the page from the Hall

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Speaker 2: of Fame game, which by the way, was called early

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Speaker 2: due to inclement weather. That's a new one. But I

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Speaker 2: think the kickoff that's really the only takeaway you can have.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get worked up about a fifth round

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Speaker 2: pick who had a sack. You know, there's a you know,

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Speaker 2: offensive lineman who looked good in his first first career

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Speaker 2: NFL started, Like, come on, I can't get too worked

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Speaker 2: up about that. Plus, I don't really care about these teams,

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Speaker 2: although the Bears are going to be interesting this season.

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Speaker 2: I just the whole kickoff thing Now, Rob, I don't

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Speaker 2: know if you were as I don't know that I

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Speaker 2: was shook, but without question, that kind of jumped off

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Speaker 2: the screen as this is different, this is new. It's

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Speaker 2: gonna take some time to adjusts. And as I watched

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Speaker 2: the kickoffs, I'm like, hmm, how can teams take advantage

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Speaker 2: anything in the preseason, but you know, somebody creative is

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Speaker 2: looking through all the rules. You know, if Belichick were

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Speaker 2: still coaching, he probably would have already found it. But

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Speaker 2: Belichick loves to push the envelope, whether it's a six

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Speaker 2: offensive lineman tackle eligible. He was always cooking up something.

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Speaker 2: And you know we are talking about mister spygate. But

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Rob. I thought the kickoffs were fascinating.

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Speaker 2: I'm very excited for them this season. And it seems

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Speaker 2: to me like team are gonna get are gonna be

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Speaker 2: tinkering with kickoffs more than say touchdown commercial, come back

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Speaker 2: kickoff commercial, you know, like just standard operating procedure. I

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Speaker 2: feel like kickoffs are gonna be something this year.

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Speaker 3: I hope so, because if last night's game was INDI

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Speaker 3: indication they need to change the name it cannot be

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Speaker 3: called the dynamic kickoff when the average return is twenty

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Speaker 3: two yards. Ye, and of the five kickoffs, two of

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Speaker 3: them had illegal formation penalties.

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Speaker 4: So obviously they're working out the kinks.

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Speaker 3: And I agree with you that these special teams coordinators

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Speaker 3: and head coaches, they're saving all their best stuff for

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Speaker 3: the regular They're not gonna show anything in the preseason.

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Speaker 3: I think right now, it's just trying to get everyone

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Speaker 3: But I mean, it was okay. I mean, to be honest,

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Speaker 3: I missed the old kickoff because I thought that that

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Speaker 3: you know, the first time, so we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean, I'm largely with you. It was different.

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Speaker 2: gonna give you the heads up. I'm going to talk

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Speaker 2: but I gotta talk about that. We'll get to that

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Speaker 2: and all anybody's saying, you guys are afraid to talk

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Speaker 2: about that boxing story, and I'm like, listen, a not

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Speaker 2: DeAndre Hopkins now will not be ready for week one?

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Speaker 2: Geno Smith, you know it doesn't sound one hundred percent now, listen,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure everybody's gonna be fine, but damn, last thing

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Speaker 2: guess we could pivot to the Olympics. First, Let's start

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Speaker 2: I didn't love gymnastics, didn't love figure skating, But when

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Speaker 2: that would have been awesome if my kids stuck with it.

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Speaker 2: It was was incredible, so shout out to Actually it

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Speaker 2: Lee also got the bronze, which was exciting. I watched

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Speaker 2: I did, not, however, watch the boxing match, which frankly,

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Speaker 2: I don't even know women's boxing was a thing at

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Speaker 2: the Olympics. But in a battle, one girl quits after

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Speaker 2: she failed a gender test and they didn't even specify

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Speaker 2: record this early Friday morning, by all accounts, the Algerian

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Speaker 4: She was born a woman.

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Speaker 2: She has passed all gender tests except for the twenty

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Speaker 2: I mean, she was like a quarter finalist she'd been.

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Speaker 2: It's official. This Algerian female boxer got to be a man.

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Speaker 2: just telling you what's out there. But she was born

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Speaker 2: But rob I got to the point where I was like,

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Speaker 2: It's one of those things where like this mob just

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Speaker 3: Rob, Well, I'll tell you what, Jason both and we

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Speaker 2: next thing, you know, well, I saw who was it

429
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Speaker 2: to put that out? She's somebody dumb. If Kamala har

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Speaker 2: Kamala Harris has her way, we'll have this school in the.

431
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Speaker 4: Country, Tommy, it might have been it was a former

432
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Speaker 4: football coach.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll have this kind of thing in every elementary

434
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Speaker 2: school in the country or middle whatever it is. And

435
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,399
Speaker 2: I'm like, come on, that's just idiotic. But in a

436
00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:37,920
Speaker 2: political year, you're playing to your bass, right Rob, yep,

437
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:40,520
Speaker 2: So his base here is that Oh damn right, Tommy,

438
00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:43,359
Speaker 2: we're not letting that garbage happens. If you vote for

439
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,879
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris, that's what's gonna happen. Meanwhile, there was like,

440
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know how many high schools were

441
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 2: in the country, fifty thousand folks, there's maybe one or

442
00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 2: two of those stories a year, maybe out of all

443
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 2: the high schools and all the high school athletes. Like,

444
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,159
Speaker 2: it's not a big deal. Obviously it shouldn't be a

445
00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:04,080
Speaker 2: deal at all. But I think Rob, you were wondering.

446
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:09,360
Speaker 2: You said, you your statement wasn't that controversial. I think

447
00:24:09,400 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: the controversy. Controversy stems from people defending when a man

448
00:24:15,280 --> 00:24:19,679
Speaker 2: does compete against women, probably because they're just defending that

449
00:24:19,880 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: side of a different culture war. I feel they have

450
00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:26,520
Speaker 2: to continue to protect them right because they're on their side,

451
00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,479
Speaker 2: and that's where it's like, you can't think independently. Those

452
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 2: are the whack jobs on the far left that equate

453
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Speaker 2: to the nut jobs on the far right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I totally agree with you because I am one

455
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Speaker 3: of those people who is, you know, pro LGBTQ.

456
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Speaker 4: If you want to be trans, to be trans, it

457
00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 4: doesn't bother me at all. Do your thing.

458
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Speaker 3: But where I draw the line is when it comes

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Speaker 3: to athletics. And for whatever, I can't exactly quant qualify

460
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Speaker 3: or quantify why I feel that way, but I just

461
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 3: believe that men should be with men and men women

462
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 3: people with women. But I think to your point, once

463
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Speaker 3: you say I'm pro something. In the world we live

464
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 3: in today, you have to be one thousand percent pro that.

465
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Speaker 3: Even even in sports, like if you say, you know what,

466
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Speaker 3: I think that Josh Allen is not as good as

467
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,080
Speaker 3: people think he is. If you really want to make

468
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: some waves and you really want to be at the

469
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,560
Speaker 3: forefront of the sports media conversation, you can't just say

470
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 3: he may not be as good. You have to say

471
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,399
Speaker 3: he's overrated, he's trash, he's a turnover machine. And you

472
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:31,439
Speaker 3: may not even really feel that way, but that's the

473
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 3: only way you can make that argument and have it

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Speaker 3: told up. So you're seeing that obviously on a much

475
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Speaker 3: grander scale here in this situation.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know the whole It's almost like you don't

477
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:45,240
Speaker 2: vote down the ticket, right, Yes, you don't just say, oh,

478
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:47,679
Speaker 2: I'm a Republican, I'm voting for every single No, you

479
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 2: don't do that. You look up, you know the candidates

480
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:52,320
Speaker 2: and see what they're about. But I guess, to go

481
00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: to your other point, you're right, it's it's like the

482
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Speaker 2: I guess people would defend. But like you said, LGBTQ,

483
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,960
Speaker 2: hey you guys want to be gay, but don't have

484
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 2: men competing against women is also the same as like, well,

485
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 2: men and women are equal, you know, there's a bunch

486
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Speaker 2: of people who just push that, and well not like

487
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: biologically they're not. You know, men are going to excel

488
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:19,919
Speaker 2: in certain areas because of the way they're built, their makeup,

489
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: their chromosomes, all that fun stuff, and then women are

490
00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 2: gonna be on their side. So like, that's why even

491
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: when who was the young female golfer, Rob who kept

492
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:34,359
Speaker 2: forever trying to break through on the right, And I

493
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,439
Speaker 2: mean I was like, I guess this was when I

494
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,159
Speaker 2: was a little younger, and I was like still like

495
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,680
Speaker 2: partying a lot because I don't remember a lot of

496
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Speaker 2: the conversation around Michelle. We but Rob correct me if

497
00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 2: I'm wrong. She didn't win a ton on the women's side, right,

498
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: I don't think so. Now, yeah, so why the hell

499
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Speaker 2: was she playing against men?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I don't remember the novelty of it.

501
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was the one thing guys just didn't It

502
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,240
Speaker 2: made no sense to me. Now, nobody had a problem

503
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 2: with Michelle.

504
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:06,479
Speaker 4: He's gonna play with the men.

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Speaker 1: Cool.

506
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,520
Speaker 2: What would have been the reaction, Rob? If Phil Michelson

507
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 2: I'm said, I'm going to gonna go play with.

508
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:17,720
Speaker 3: The women, he would be frowned upon. Yeah, I don't

509
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: think you think to put it lightly.

510
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So like, no, they're not an equal guy. Sorry,

511
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: they're just not. You treat him equally. You treat men

512
00:27:26,640 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 2: and women equally, is especially when it comes to their

513
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:32,720
Speaker 2: respective sports. But like, I don't know, Rob, this just

514
00:27:32,800 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: the entire discussion. It's it's almost like there's a moving

515
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 2: target and sometimes they don't lock in on something for

516
00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,399
Speaker 2: a day or two or three, and then once they

517
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: lock in, it's all we got our target, and everybody

518
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 2: just and there as you know, a lot of stuff

519
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:51,200
Speaker 2: going on in sports media and there are some people who,

520
00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:53,800
Speaker 2: like you said, want to ratchet it up to overrated,

521
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 2: but they also find their target. And then just you know,

522
00:27:57,640 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 2: peck away constantly. Sure, and you're a big you've been

523
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,640
Speaker 2: producing forever. You don't endorse that, And I gotta say,

524
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: I've never been that guy.

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00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,400
Speaker 3: I cannot say with a straight face that I've never

526
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,199
Speaker 3: endorsed that, to be honest with you.

527
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,720
Speaker 4: Some of the early times of the.

528
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 3: Odd Couple radio show with Brussard and Parker. Rob obviously

529
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 3: is much more hot takesh than Chris's. I think we

530
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:21,679
Speaker 3: know that just by knowing him for as long as

531
00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:25,639
Speaker 3: we've known him. But we would have production meetings and

532
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 3: one of them would come in with an opinion and

533
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:30,919
Speaker 3: it would be an innocuous opinion, like it was a

534
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 3: reaction to a game and it was nothing that was

535
00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 3: really going to get people interested. So I would challenge them,

536
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 3: I'd question them, I'd poke and prod and you might

537
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 3: have a statement that says, you know, if Kevin Durant

538
00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 3: was willing to shoot more threes, I think that, you know,

539
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 3: it would be a better thing for the Brooklyn Nets

540
00:28:51,520 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 3: at the time or whatever something like that, And I

541
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 3: would find a way to spin it and say, what

542
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:01,560
Speaker 3: you're saying is Kevin Durant is leaving his long his

543
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:04,880
Speaker 3: legacy up in the air by refusing to shoot the

544
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 3: three ball because he's afraid of what it's going to

545
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 3: do his percentages.

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Speaker 4: It's like, well, no, I didn't say that.

547
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 3: Well if you didn't say that'd be better for us,

548
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: And so Broussard would usually kind of get mad at me,

549
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 3: like why are you always trying to like turn it

550
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:15,959
Speaker 3: up and not?

551
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 4: So that's not what I'm I want to be.

552
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 3: I don't mind making headlines and you know, baving a

553
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,239
Speaker 3: good show, but I'm not going to do it at

554
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 3: the expense of my credibility. And so sometimes we'd argue

555
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,320
Speaker 3: about that kind of stuff, but I've moved on from that.

556
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, listen, that happens more than you guys know,

557
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 2: and you know what you experience it. I mean, it's

558
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 2: never going to be like once there's some people rob

559
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: you would I think you would agree. Once they get

560
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: a taste of that drug where they you know, go

561
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:44,560
Speaker 2: viral for some take that was, they just are like, oh,

562
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,000
Speaker 2: this is a good feeling, and I got the views,

563
00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 2: and that's going to help my career and it's going

564
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 2: to help my profile and my brand or whatever. And

565
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 2: they just turn that up to ten. You and I

566
00:29:54,200 --> 00:29:56,280
Speaker 2: both know some people in this industry who've done that.

567
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,760
Speaker 4: And you know, so right off, handsomely handsome.

568
00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they got paid big time. But like you know,

569
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Speaker 2: I I'll say, I'm not a believer, yokic, I'm not

570
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: a believer. I don't you know, good player, I get it,

571
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 2: I get it, But he's never broken through. He hadn't

572
00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: broken through in the playoffs. Then he wins the title. Hey,

573
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,160
Speaker 2: you won the chimp there's no argument that he's not amazing, right,

574
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: I would have to stop saying that unless I was

575
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 2: a crazy person who you know, so just continue to needle,

576
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: And that to me is a little cheap. And I

577
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not as impressed what takes like that,

578
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 2: because it's like, listen, if embiid and Paul George go

579
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,440
Speaker 2: out and win the title this year, Rob, it's hey

580
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 2: Man and Beid Frickin did it? You know, Listen, I

581
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: mocked that guy for all the failures he came through

582
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: in that series. Whether he gets the MVP, Paul George,

583
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 2: who cares. Now let's say Paul, Let's say Tyrese Maxi

584
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 2: gets the MVP. Okay, Rob, you know there's people in

585
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 2: this industry who aren't going to be praising Maxi for

586
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: MVP but knocking Paul George for not getting it and

587
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: EMBIID for not getting it, and like, again, that's total

588
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: chicken shit. I think it's embarrassing, And that's why I

589
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: start tune out, tuning out a bunch of people when

590
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: their takes are so predictable, they're going to say incendiary stuff.

591
00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: But I like to think this pod between Rob and I,

592
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:19,800
Speaker 2: we're never going to be faking the funk and making

593
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: up shit. And you know, again this topic, people will

594
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:27,080
Speaker 2: hopefully come out of it thinking that's a reasonable take.

595
00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:27,880
Speaker 4: I hope so.

596
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 2: As opposed to, oh my gosh, you're right, I gotta

597
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: go to so I agree a million times, you know,

598
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,360
Speaker 2: and like that's I don't want to be on that side,

599
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: and I don't want to be on the other extreme too.

600
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: I think the middle is a smart place to be.

601
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: But now we're rambling on a Friday, Rob no vegas

602
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 2: for you this weekend.

603
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 3: I would assume no, But let me just say very

604
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 3: quickly that if you did want to stick to the

605
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,200
Speaker 3: anti Jokic sentiment, I do have some ammunition for you.

606
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:51,480
Speaker 4: Oh that's my.

607
00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:53,440
Speaker 3: Job, whether I agree with you or not, I'm going

608
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 3: to find some information that's going to help you make

609
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 3: your point.

610
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 2: Just you know, August, it seasons three months out and

611
00:31:58,680 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 2: he's already prepping.

612
00:32:00,040 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 4: It's really good.

613
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:06,400
Speaker 2: I'm actually out of town Sunday, so no pod Monday Tuesday.

614
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,240
Speaker 2: I will have a good story for you, I promise,

615
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 2: because of why I'm not doing the pot on Monday.

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00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: All right, have a good weekend. We'll talk to you Tuesday.