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Speaker 2: All Right, everybody, this is going to be a long one.
Speaker 2: Nick Wright and I talk about everything from Elon Musk
Speaker 2: to travel plans, NBA, NFL our relationship. It's a long one,
Speaker 2: but I want to start with a rant, A football
Speaker 2: rant presented by Netflix's quarterback.
Speaker 3: So.
Speaker 2: I was looking at the NFL standings before I came
Speaker 2: on today, and when you look at the quarterback position
Speaker 2: in the NFL, we don't have unrealistic expectations for rookie quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: I think all fans are reasonable that it's hard and
Speaker 2: you're going to be overwhelmed. Even Joe Burrow overwhelmed early.
Speaker 2: And there's not a ton of pressure on the people
Speaker 2: that are at the top of the food chain. Josh Allen,
Speaker 2: we know what he is. Lamar Jackson got paid, Jalen
Speaker 2: Hurtz did. I don't think they're in pressurized situations. And
Speaker 2: I also don't believe Dak and Kirk cousins. Again, most
Speaker 2: people see them as good B plus quarterbacks. I don't
Speaker 2: think they face like more than just week to week,
Speaker 2: Sunday to Sunday pressure. And as I looked over perused
Speaker 2: the standings of the NFL, I thought there was really
Speaker 2: only two quarterbacks that I felt like there was a
Speaker 2: lot of pressure on them, and pressure I would define
Speaker 2: as they are viewed by a certain group, perhaps small,
Speaker 2: as much more talented than their current production is exhibiting.
Speaker 2: And let me give you an example, justin fields. I
Speaker 2: think he faces real pressure because I think people in
Speaker 2: Chicago and a lot of people in the media think,
Speaker 2: based on highlights, not overall beginning to end game production,
Speaker 2: that he's a massive talent. And I just think he's talented.
Speaker 2: But at this point, I think he's a sixty to
Speaker 2: forty hit and a forty sixty failure slightly more than
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty. I think it works, and I think
Speaker 2: it mostly works because I think he now has two
Speaker 2: productive receivers, perhaps three with Claypool cross your fingers, two
Speaker 2: productive tight ends. A middle of the pack, but better
Speaker 2: than people think O Line and Luke Gets. He's an
Speaker 2: excellent oc young, smart guy from Green Bay. But I
Speaker 2: think of all the quarterbacks in the league, people would say,
Speaker 2: what about Aaron Rodgers, And my takeaway was, they're gonna
Speaker 2: win somewhere between nine and twelve games. Playoffs are not,
Speaker 2: He's a Hall of Famer. They'll be better everybody gets it.
Speaker 2: Will they be great? Probably not. But somewhere between nine
Speaker 2: and eleven twelve games is where Aaron's gonna land. He
Speaker 2: knows it, the Jets know it, and we all know it.
Speaker 2: That's not pressure. Justin Fields is different because he shows
Speaker 2: flashes of brilliance. This is the year that bears ownership
Speaker 2: and front office and probably co which is make a
Speaker 2: decision on by Thanksgiving he's the guy or not. So
Speaker 2: I feel like Justin Fields faces the most pressure in
Speaker 2: the NFL as a quarterback. You could name anybody. Jared Goff,
Speaker 2: He's been to a Super Bowl, he's been paid. We
Speaker 2: know what he is. A B plus quarterback, Trevor Lawrence,
Speaker 2: He's excellent. There's no pressure in Jacksonville. He got to
Speaker 2: the playoffs last year. But Justin Fields there is a
Speaker 2: group of people that think he's a tremendous talent. And
Speaker 2: whereas Josh Allen, Jalen Hurts and Lamar Jackson went from
Speaker 2: just talented pivoting to also very good pocket quarterbacks, Justin
Speaker 2: Fields has not exhibited that yet. And this is the year,
Speaker 2: and I would say by Thanksgiving, people upstairs will make
Speaker 2: a decision. The only other quarterback I feel like there's
Speaker 2: real pressure on is in the same division Jordan Love. Listen,
Speaker 2: you replace Aaron Rodgers. There's pressure. This is also a
Speaker 2: winning organization pressure. This is also probably the second best
Speaker 2: after Detroit roster in the division. Pressure. Jordan Love's been
Speaker 2: given a contract that's very team friendly, so again, because
Speaker 2: he's been in the building for so many years, I
Speaker 2: think they'll know by Thanksgiving in the building, I had
Speaker 2: an agent that once said this, Nick con your bosses
Speaker 2: will make a decision on your career nine months before
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Speaker 2: Jordan Love, both teams upstairs will have made a decision.
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Speaker 2: All right, I bring in my buddy co host First
Speaker 2: Things for also host of What's Right with Nick Wright,
Speaker 2: and we do this about every six weeks. We do
Speaker 2: about forty forty five minutes, and this is kind of
Speaker 2: the slowest time of the year. It was always in
Speaker 2: our industry that after football there was about a month
Speaker 2: and then you'd kind of move into March madness, NFL Draft,
Speaker 2: NBA stuff. But it used to be that I look
Speaker 2: forward to August, but Sean McVay screwed that up by
Speaker 2: not playing any starters in the NFL and going eight
Speaker 2: and oh so they're really the preseason now is reduced
Speaker 2: to talking about CJ. Stroud and Bryce Young. I mean,
Speaker 2: it is amazing that August used to be a time
Speaker 2: that I really looked forward. You know, it was post
Speaker 2: NBA trade deadline, and it was like, you know, you
Speaker 2: go take a ten day vacation and then you're like,
Speaker 2: all right, some of this stuff last year. Kenny Pickett
Speaker 2: was my primary talk topic in August.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not great. I mean, I'm not saying you
Speaker 3: weren't great, but it's just August because of NBA movement
Speaker 3: and because every summer there's a kd trade demand or
Speaker 3: a Dame trade demand, and these things that seem to
Speaker 3: drag on. I think August has replaced July as the
Speaker 3: debt is time on our calendar. And I was saying
Speaker 3: this to my wife yesterday. If you go September one,
Speaker 3: we're recording this the end of the first week of July.
Speaker 3: That's ten months, ten plus months. I've been off. I've
Speaker 3: been you know, on vacation for one week and now
Speaker 3: over these next six weeks all beyond vacation for two
Speaker 3: and a half of them. So you know, seventy five
Speaker 3: percent of the time off for you, for me, for
Speaker 3: all of us comes in this very condensed window kind
Speaker 3: of post NBA free agency, pre the start of the
Speaker 3: NFL season. But one thing that I have found on
Speaker 3: our show is because we were so heavy NBA during
Speaker 3: the playoffs and free agency that day before yesterday, day
Speaker 3: before yesterday, we kind of just stumbled into a Bills topic.
Speaker 3: Today we just totally ripped off your Belichick could be
Speaker 3: greater than a Reid, could be greater than Belichick topic.
Speaker 3: Just totally stole it from you almost verbatim that I
Speaker 3: am like, very excited to be talking football again because
Speaker 3: you've been talking a lot of football throughout we have.
Speaker 3: We haven't been talking so much. And now I'm kind
Speaker 3: of over the Dame thing. I know he's going to
Speaker 3: go to Miami. It's all posturing. There's a really interesting
Speaker 3: part of the Dame story, which is the assistant GM
Speaker 3: in Portland does a great job, I'm sure, but his
Speaker 3: name is Mike Schmidz. He worked at ESPN from twenty
Speaker 3: seventeen until nine months ago, and now seemingly all of
Speaker 3: the reporting coming out of you know that network is
Speaker 3: along the lines of oh, you know Portland has the leverage.
Speaker 3: Portland's got you know, Miami's got up the offer, and
Speaker 3: I do wonder how much of this is. You know
Speaker 3: that Mike Schmiz was there and now they're trying to
Speaker 3: get the best deal possible, but he's going to end
Speaker 3: up in Miami. I'm kind of over that story and
Speaker 3: that there's really not much left in the NBA offseason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I stumbled. It was the last thing I talked
Speaker 2: about today for only three minutes. Is that there's two
Speaker 2: sorts of like what we would call classic diva wide receivers.
Speaker 2: There's the guy that is constantly difficult but productive Des Bryant.
Speaker 2: I mean they had to hire a security team, pretty
Speaker 2: babysitted in as a rookie, and then the first year
Speaker 2: with Dak he was still highly productive but got needy
Speaker 2: and they just decided, much to the chagrin of Jason Garrett.
Speaker 2: He told me that he said I was fighting for him.
Speaker 2: He gives me eight ten touchdowns a year. How do
Speaker 2: I replace that? And then there's the Stefan Diggs Randy
Speaker 2: Moss model, where they're not trouble, they're highly productive and
Speaker 2: at some point at like year three year four, they
Speaker 2: flex and right, and I said, okay, that's different. Right,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of companies at the volume. If I
Speaker 2: knew somebody for three years, I'm getting somebody that's highly productive.
Speaker 2: Then maybe they flame out or that's somebody that's very hirable, right,
Speaker 2: not somebody that's high maintenance. Day one. So I said this,
Speaker 2: the bills are telling you they're going to get out
Speaker 2: of the Stefon Diggs market very quickly. They go and
Speaker 2: get a tight end in round one two. NFL gms
Speaker 2: told me easily the best tight end. So now they
Speaker 2: have Kincaid and Dawson Knox, they upgrade running back, they
Speaker 2: immediately sign more, they double down on their defensive front.
Speaker 2: And what it tells me is they're trying to become
Speaker 2: more run oriented, better front ground control, and get out
Speaker 2: of the stuffan Diggs. And I'll argue this just like
Speaker 2: New England did with Moss after two three very productive years,
Speaker 2: you could get out today and he's got value if
Speaker 2: he blows up again. Half this league, three quarters of
Speaker 2: this league, nick gms are like, no, thank.
Speaker 3: You, they're gonna be afraid of it. The only I listen,
Speaker 3: here's the the Digs thing is such a problem for
Speaker 3: Buffalo for a number of reasons. The typical easy fixes
Speaker 3: for the wide receiver clearly will not fix this because
Speaker 3: they're not the problem. And by that I mean sometimes
Speaker 3: it's I want more money. He got the contract a
Speaker 3: year ago, like they you know what I mean, The
Speaker 3: money has been paid. It is not a money thing.
Speaker 3: The other one, if it's not money, is usually I
Speaker 3: want more targets. Over the last couple of years, he's
Speaker 3: one of the two or three, maybe number one, but
Speaker 3: most targeted guys in the whole league. So it's like, uh, oh,
Speaker 3: it's not money, it's not targets. How do we fix this?
Speaker 3: And I have been kind of I don't know what
Speaker 3: the right word is. I have found it unbelievable that
Speaker 3: Sean McDermott and the Buffalo Bills set this fire publicly
Speaker 3: and then are looking around angry at everyone for watching
Speaker 3: the flames. That the timeline of this is day one
Speaker 3: of Bill's mini camp. Evidently Stefon Diggs is there, then
Speaker 3: leaves before practice. Sean McDermott goes to the media, is
Speaker 3: asked about Digs not being there and says, oh, I'm
Speaker 3: very concerned, takes a long pause, and goes very concerned. Well,
Speaker 3: maybe you shouldn't have said that. But then the next
Speaker 3: day he's there and McDermott goes to the media. He's like,
Speaker 3: I don't know what everyone's making such a big deal
Speaker 3: about this. I excused him. It's like, what you fucking
Speaker 3: told us you were concerned? And then they canceled practice
Speaker 3: the next day. And then Josh Allen was on a podcast, yeah,
Speaker 3: a couple days ago. I forget who it was, but
Speaker 3: when a player runs it and they asked him, it was,
Speaker 3: you know, one of the it wasn't one of yours,
Speaker 3: but it was similar to Richard Sherman's podcast. I'm like that,
Speaker 3: I forget who it was on I apologize and he
Speaker 3: was like, yeah, the media won't stop talking about this,
Speaker 3: and it's like, man, we wouldn't have even known about it,
Speaker 3: but your coach screwed up there. And then when you
Speaker 3: add to it that the last image we have of
Speaker 3: Diggs is him yelling at Josh Allen on the sideline.
Speaker 3: That seems to be problem. The only question I would
Speaker 3: have there is, Colin, why haven't they just signed DeAndre
Speaker 3: Hopkins to kind of regain control of the situation, because
Speaker 3: I do think Gabe Davis might not be a number two.
Speaker 3: He's certainly not a number one. I do think they
Speaker 3: need a receiver there. If they're worried about Digs, maybe
Speaker 3: they just think, you know, he's under contract, We're going
Speaker 3: to be fine. But that to me is a if
Speaker 3: you had to right now, and this is something I
Speaker 3: mentioned to you on TV, you can only choose one
Speaker 3: of these two doors. The Bills make the super Bowl
Speaker 3: or the Bills miss the playoffs. I am definitely choosing
Speaker 3: to miss the play I'm not picking them to miss
Speaker 3: the playoffs, but I think they're more likely to miss
Speaker 3: the playoffs than have an awesome year and make the
Speaker 3: super Bowl. I think that's for damn sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know it's I've been on this for years.
Speaker 2: Andy Reid moves off Tyreek Hill. Andy Reid has rebuilt
Speaker 2: an O line and a receiving corps in an offseason.
Speaker 2: Buffalo can't figure their offensive line out five years in,
Speaker 2: either can Tomlin. There's a difference between offensive coaches and
Speaker 2: defensive coaches, and the classic example is the minute Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 2: Bill got a little needy moved off him. Draft Sky Moore,
Speaker 2: go go get Juju Smith Schuster very quick rebuild the
Speaker 2: offensive coach seamlessly rebuilds it because that's what they do.
Speaker 2: They speak the language. McDermott has been trying for five
Speaker 2: years to create a run game and an offensive line.
Speaker 2: He still can't do it. Mike Tomlin five years, still
Speaker 2: can't do it. So by the way, Sean mcvayh came
Speaker 2: to the Rams one off season gets Andrew Whitworth rebuilt
Speaker 2: the O line. It's just the advantage of an offensive
Speaker 2: coach is they can. In a highly mobile profession, you've
Speaker 2: got to be able to be really nimble. Andy Reid's
Speaker 2: the best. McVeigh Shanahan really good at it. McDermott's not.
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll has struggled at times with the O line,
Speaker 2: which rated again last year poorly. Mike Tomlin struggled with it.
Speaker 2: By the way, Mike Zimmer in Minnesota, they're offensive line.
Speaker 2: It was a bit of musical chair. So in Minnesota,
Speaker 2: I think, I think going forward, the Bengals are the
Speaker 2: clear threat, and I would say the next threat, and
Speaker 2: they're not quite there. We saw it twice last year
Speaker 2: as Jacksonville. Now they're just not as good, but they're
Speaker 2: not there yet.
Speaker 3: I totally. You know, I believe that, and I think
Speaker 3: Jacksonville they're not there yet. I agree with you, but
Speaker 3: for the time being, the other edge Jacksonville is gonna
Speaker 3: have in the new only one team gets a buy paradigm,
Speaker 3: the advantage Jacksonville's gonna have when they get there, the
Speaker 3: fact that it will be so much easier for them
Speaker 3: in the AFC South to get to thirteen wins than
Speaker 3: for the Chiefs dealing with the Chargers and the Broncos
Speaker 3: and the Bengals, dealing with the Steelers and the Ravens
Speaker 3: and anyone in the AFC when all those teams seem
Speaker 3: pretty competitive and at this point pretty well run. The
Speaker 3: Jags are going to have that inside track to the
Speaker 3: best regular season, the healthiest regular season. I think they
Speaker 3: have a really good coach that you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: They're of all the star quarterbacks, their guy is the
Speaker 3: earliest into his career, so they have the longest window
Speaker 3: before he gets super paid. I yeah, I think Jacksonville
Speaker 3: is they're not there yet. They don't have the personnel,
Speaker 3: but they also have, you know, multiple top picks on defense.
Speaker 3: They don't need them all to hit, they just need
Speaker 3: some of them to start to come into their own.
Speaker 3: They're a scary team. Man. There is seven and two
Speaker 3: the final nine weeks of last year, won a playoff
Speaker 3: game in staring fashion, played the Chiefs tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I was gonna throw this at you and
Speaker 2: we'll talk some NBA because you're so good at it.
Speaker 2: But I came up with something today on the show,
Speaker 2: and again I didn't think I was already fishing for it.
Speaker 2: I think it's sometimes it's very difficult. The draft has
Speaker 2: a power over us. Is that we just innately believe
Speaker 2: it's just in us. If you're a top draft pick,
Speaker 2: we just perceive you as better. But yet Matt Hasselbeck's
Speaker 2: sixth round, Tony Romo undrafted, Kurt Warner undrafted, Brady sixth round,
Speaker 2: Mark Brunell, fifth round, Dack fourth, Cousins fourth, A lot
Speaker 2: of breeze.
Speaker 3: Second, your guy Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2: Third, Yeah, Joe Montana third yea. So there's three things
Speaker 2: that make me wonder if brought about every fourth or
Speaker 2: fifth year you find a guy quarterback in the weeds
Speaker 2: late in the draft and you get like four way
Speaker 2: years to not pay him. So I laid this out
Speaker 2: with Brock Purty So Iowa State's an average program and
Speaker 2: an average conference, but they had four straight winning seasons
Speaker 2: with Purdy, and they have a very good coach who's
Speaker 2: been up for the Nebraska job. Matt Campbell, a very
Speaker 2: good college coach, well studied up flaw jobs in a
Speaker 2: bad conference with a good coach, brought pretty leaves. They
Speaker 2: go one and eight in conference time out. It's like whoa.
Speaker 2: As I've always said, when you arrived, it's not only
Speaker 2: what you've done at Fox the station you left, not
Speaker 2: it's good. When Harball left the Niners for Michigan, Michigan
Speaker 2: got better. The Niners tanked. So I always stayed with
Speaker 2: a good coach. Plummets the second thing when you do
Speaker 2: a deep dive on San Francisco. So he led the
Speaker 2: NFL in games started that he didn't get hurt.
Speaker 3: He was eight.
Speaker 2: No, he not only led the NFL in passer rating,
Speaker 2: but for a complex system that took Matt Ryan a
Speaker 2: second year to figure out. It hasn't worked for Skyler Thompson,
Speaker 2: it hasn't worked for Trey Lance, It didn't work in
Speaker 2: the first year for Matt Ryan. The kid walks in
Speaker 2: as a seventh round last pick, rookie and masters it,
Speaker 2: and I'm thinking to myself, oh wait, we just can't.
Speaker 2: We're not we don't like this. We don't believe seven
Speaker 2: rounders can play. Is it possible? I mean I watched
Speaker 2: him play.
Speaker 3: He looks no, no, no, it's listen, It's possible. The
Speaker 3: flip side to the coin is he was all his
Speaker 3: biggest limitation already was going to be his arm talent,
Speaker 3: physical limitations. And now he's coming off major surgery on
Speaker 3: his throwing arm. And if that was you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, if that was a limited arm already, is
Speaker 3: it now going to be untenable? But listen, the Niners
Speaker 3: last year, you know this were my pick to go
Speaker 3: to the Super Bowl from before the year, and that
Speaker 3: was assuming Trey Lance was going to be the quarterback.
Speaker 3: That is. You know, our mutual friend Danny Parkins has
Speaker 3: been hitting this story on He does a football podcast
Speaker 3: called First In Pod, and he and Andrew Philiponi been
Speaker 3: hitting this story every week and saying that it should
Speaker 3: be the biggest story in the NFL, which is the
Speaker 3: fact that Trey Lance is behind Sam Darnold on this
Speaker 3: team's depth chart and they spent three first round picks
Speaker 3: on him. It's one of the craziest damn things we've
Speaker 3: ever seen. The guy he's never gotten a chance to play,
Speaker 3: and evidently he's been so bad in practice. They're like
Speaker 3: Rock Perdy off elbow surgery and Sam Darnold off the
Speaker 3: scrap he ahead of him, like what and that he
Speaker 3: was on the trade market and nobody wanted him. That
Speaker 3: is a crazy turn of events for the Niners. So
Speaker 3: the Niners, I believe, with above average quarterback play, they
Speaker 3: should be the class of the NFC. Last year they
Speaker 3: had average quarterback play, and they look to be the
Speaker 3: best team. Here's I would spin that question slightly different way.
Speaker 3: Let's just say this that the Niners don't have it
Speaker 3: this year either because Perdy the elbows not all the
Speaker 3: way there that if we I gotta I guess back
Speaker 3: up a bit. I feel like ninety eight percent of
Speaker 3: the people in our industry are going to when it
Speaker 3: comes pick the Super Bowl time gonna have coming out
Speaker 3: of the NFC, the Eagles or then I think those
Speaker 3: are going to be almost everyone's gonna pick one of
Speaker 3: those two. The question I have is this, if it's
Speaker 3: not one of those two, who is, Because because I
Speaker 3: don't think I think the Eagles are good. I also
Speaker 3: think it's in play that the best year of Jalen
Speaker 3: Hurt's entire career is the one we just saw that
Speaker 3: they you know what I mean that the super Bowl
Speaker 3: hangover the Tougher Shane Shane, both their coordinators left and
Speaker 3: even if they don't think they're gonna miss it in
Speaker 3: and still, you know, good quarterbacks carved them up last year.
Speaker 3: I think the Eagles could you know, all it's hard
Speaker 3: to go to back to back Super Bowls, so Eagles
Speaker 3: aren't there. And the Niners quarterback situations, you know as
Speaker 3: in flux as anyone who the fuck is winning the NFC.
Speaker 3: I just go through it. Like I was talking before
Speaker 3: the show today and I was like, I'm gonna instantly
Speaker 3: regret it and hate myself for it. But I think,
Speaker 3: like I might believe in the Cowboys this year, like
Speaker 3: the I mean, we go go to the the NFC West.
Speaker 3: The Cardinals are not trying the Rams. I think they're
Speaker 3: going to be terrible. You think they could be okay,
Speaker 3: but they're not. Yeah, you know, I don't. They're not
Speaker 3: a super Bowl team. The Seahawks are. We gonna get
Speaker 3: that from Gino again, and then there's the Niners. Like
Speaker 3: we said, no one in the NFC South. I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: Saints fans, You're not a super Bowl team with Dennis Allen. Okay,
Speaker 3: the NFC North is it Kirk Cousins, is Jared Goff.
Speaker 3: We're gonna put Jared Goff there? And then we're to
Speaker 3: the nfcas like who is if it's not then and
Speaker 3: maybe that means it will be the Niners Eagles again.
Speaker 3: But it's usually not that chalky, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: It's usually not quite that simple. So I don't know.
Speaker 2: No, I think, you know, Dallas is Dallas is one
Speaker 2: of those teams where I've always had the same opinion
Speaker 2: for twenty five years. In my opinion on Dallas for
Speaker 2: twenty five years is they'll be pretty good. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's such a disparity in the AFC and NFC that
Speaker 2: now networks remember last year, in the year before, like
Speaker 2: we were having to give for years and years, we
Speaker 2: had to give the AFC occasional games like CBS because
Speaker 2: yes's the opposite, like we're dying for a Bengals game,
Speaker 2: and no, I think I think it's the weakest. The
Speaker 2: NFC has ever been. I don't trust Detroit.
Speaker 3: I don't trust Detroit. I don't I want to believe
Speaker 3: in Seattle. I like Gino's story, I like Pete Carroll.
Speaker 3: Seattle's not gonna win three playoff games. It's isn't you
Speaker 3: know what I mean? So like again, maybe that means
Speaker 3: it is the Niners in the Eagles. But if it's
Speaker 3: not one of them, god, that's a hard It's hard
Speaker 3: to find. It's not Daniel Jones and the Giants. It's
Speaker 3: just not you know what, I like? I just and
Speaker 3: but then so I'm gonna end up. I can just
Speaker 3: see it. I'm gonna end up picking the Cowboys. And
Speaker 3: then I'm going to be watching a divisional round playoff
Speaker 3: game and Mike McCarthy's going to have that ghost look
Speaker 3: on his face watching the clock tick down. I'm gonna say,
Speaker 3: what did I do well? I'm going to go bankrupt?
Speaker 3: What did I do here? But it's a conversely in
Speaker 3: the AFC. Obviously the Chiefs are the deserved favorite, but
Speaker 3: there are seven teams. You could credibly make a case. Yep,
Speaker 3: you could credibly make a case for the Dolphins, the Bills.
Speaker 3: I don't believe in the Jets the way some people do.
Speaker 3: But you could make a case for him, the Bengals,
Speaker 3: the Ravens case is Lamar's healthy all year. You know
Speaker 3: what I mean. We already said the Jags, the Chiefs,
Speaker 3: the Chargers. That's eight teams you could make a case for.
Speaker 3: So it's a it's very odd the imbalance of power
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: All right, before we pivot to NBA. A social media question.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 2: The user experience at Twitter has gone in to the tank.
Speaker 2: I said, when Elon must took it over, I said,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm just gonna watch it and see
Speaker 2: what happens. Very quickly it got annoying, then violent, violent videos.
Speaker 2: Now I'm constantly muting them ads, I'm constantly muting them.
Speaker 2: The user experience is more toxic than it's ever been.
Speaker 2: And I don't think. I don't think Elon he's obviously
Speaker 2: a bright guy, he's a creative, but I also think
Speaker 2: he's distracted. Threads now gets unveiled and I went on it,
Speaker 2: my staff put me on it. I find it irritating.
Speaker 2: When you look as a young broadcaster coming up, you've
Speaker 2: been very I think you've used been very dynamic on
Speaker 2: your Twitter spaces to you know, engage with people. I
Speaker 2: find the elon Musk Twitter experience, and I try to
Speaker 2: be fair about it, just increasingly a poor or experience.
Speaker 2: So I'm not on it at all. Where are you where?
Speaker 3: Where?
Speaker 2: Where are you as a younger person on social media today?
Speaker 3: So there's a bunch of social media stuff I'd actually
Speaker 3: like to talk to you about. So for me, I
Speaker 3: and it was one of it was kind of a
Speaker 3: sad choice I made, but that I felt I needed
Speaker 3: to do it, or it was good for me to
Speaker 3: do it, because I do miss out on some interactions,
Speaker 3: I miss out on maybe some ideas I wouldn't otherwise
Speaker 3: have thought of. But I four years ago, five years ago,
Speaker 3: around the time I started to have a real national profile,
Speaker 3: just said I am never I shouldn't say never. I
Speaker 3: am almost never looking at my mentions. I am not
Speaker 3: engaging in it whatsoever. Except for if people don't know
Speaker 3: back when the back when Twitter was you know, Musk,
Speaker 3: if you were verified, you had a separate mentions tab
Speaker 3: that would only show you tweets from other verified people.
Speaker 3: And so what that would mean is I would if
Speaker 3: any athletes, if any other journalists, if any other broadcasters
Speaker 3: were engaging with what I was saying, positively or negatively.
Speaker 3: I would see it. But and that maybe people going
Speaker 3: to say that's elitist. I'm not listening, but it was,
Speaker 3: it was, it would it was too toxic of just
Speaker 3: I don't care how kind of you know what I
Speaker 3: mean above it you claim to be. If if you
Speaker 3: have thousands of strangers saying basically you suck, it's going
Speaker 3: to get in your head somehow. And the flip side
Speaker 3: is if you have thousands of strangers saying you're the greatest,
Speaker 3: it's going to get in your head somehow. And the
Speaker 3: things that and that you talked to Ethan Strauss about this,
Speaker 3: the things that get the most applause on social media
Speaker 3: are not necessarily representative of the things that are what
Speaker 3: I what I use social media for, which is a
Speaker 3: professional vehicle, you know what I mean. And so I
Speaker 3: stopped looking at my mention, so like I to this day.
Speaker 3: I just yesterday at the Yankee game, some guy came
Speaker 3: up to me was like, man, I don't know why
Speaker 3: so many people f and hate you. I think you're great,
Speaker 3: And it was like nice of him, but I also,
Speaker 3: like I was thinking, I was like Honestly, I'm I'm
Speaker 3: blissfully unaware these days of how many people hate me
Speaker 3: because you gotta find you you better see me in
Speaker 3: person and tell me, and I have seen. So that's
Speaker 3: a very long even and it's not even a full answer.
Speaker 3: The reason I mentioned it, musk ripping off that verified
Speaker 3: tab to mean anything was to me, very very damaging
Speaker 3: on my ability to engage with anythng on Twitter, very damaging,
Speaker 3: and so that to me was that's a shame. Now
Speaker 3: then you have like, hey, sign up for blue Sky
Speaker 3: and I got an invite code, and then it's like
Speaker 3: sign up for spill and then yesterday it was Threads
Speaker 3: And I'm a'll probably be a begrudging late adopter, but
Speaker 3: I don't know, man, I got six hundred thousand followers
Speaker 3: on Twitter. I also am blessed to have a platform
Speaker 3: outside of social media where you want to see what
Speaker 3: I have to say. Like I'm on television every day,
Speaker 3: I do a podcast. I don't I don't need. It's
Speaker 3: not my only outlet. Why do you think you and
Speaker 3: I are some of the few that aren't like regularly
Speaker 3: arguing with folks on the internet about random bullshit and
Speaker 3: letting that drain, drain us the way I think a
Speaker 3: lot of I think a lot of folks have, and
Speaker 3: I think it's been hard for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I just don't spend a lot of
Speaker 2: time on social I go long stretches like Friday after shows.
Speaker 2: A lot of times. I'll just tell my social guy,
Speaker 2: you can run it over the weekend, and I'll tweet
Speaker 2: something funny occasionally. But I just I feel a certain
Speaker 2: responsibility to be available to my wife, my kids, my
Speaker 2: business partners. I just don't have time for it. And again,
Speaker 2: I I kind of take it as a badge of honor.
Speaker 2: Everybody hates Elon Musk, everybody hates Biden. I told my
Speaker 2: wife this once about Barack Obama. I'm like, this beautiful family.
Speaker 2: People were outraged he wore a tan suit. It's like
Speaker 2: there's just people that are just just want to bitch.
Speaker 2: And it's like, Okay, I'm so lucky to have my life,
Speaker 2: so grateful that I have a beautiful wife and all
Speaker 2: my kids are healthy. You know, I just I think
Speaker 2: all of it, it's just it's a circus.
Speaker 3: Speaking of speaking of your life, are you are you
Speaker 3: moving again? I'm looking at your background. It looks like
Speaker 3: you might.
Speaker 2: It's not a the so I sold this. I sold
Speaker 2: this my wife and I sold it.
Speaker 3: I knew it. You hadn't even told me. I am
Speaker 3: the old Colin Coward real estate flipper. You're always doing.
Speaker 3: It is unbelievable.
Speaker 2: You just moved in there two years ago.
Speaker 3: Oh that's great. But that's like one of your wife's
Speaker 3: favorite things, right.
Speaker 2: No, we have a we have a you know, we
Speaker 2: have a good business real estate, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But one of her favorite things is doing real estate stuff.
Speaker 2: And that's like you don't want to her. I know
Speaker 2: she's an artist and that's her real trade, but like
Speaker 2: that's one of the things, so can I I don't.
Speaker 2: You don't have to reveal it on there? Are you
Speaker 2: moving far from where you are? I am at a
Speaker 2: point where I don't need to own anything in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have rent a really nice place oh dope, yeah,
Speaker 2: by the beach. That great, and just be able to
Speaker 2: leave at any time, turn key, don't have to worry
Speaker 2: about yard and secure.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 2: So I just want to be as I've aged, I
Speaker 2: just want to be nimble, and that's what I am.
Speaker 2: I've got a ranch in Utah, and that's good.
Speaker 3: I just saw the background. I was like, I bet
Speaker 3: college has been in the process of selling this house.
Speaker 3: I just knew it because when I was there, you
Speaker 3: had read the first time I was there, you had
Speaker 3: recently moved in. And even when you had first moved in,
Speaker 3: you said you were like, yeah, you know, we'll probably
Speaker 3: sell this for X percent more than we bought up
Speaker 3: where we got a good deal. And I was like,
Speaker 3: this guy's always making moves, always doing stuff. Meanwhile, I've
Speaker 3: lived in New York City for seven years, haven't owned anything,
Speaker 3: rent just rent every time.
Speaker 2: I don't think renting's a bad thing. I mean I've
Speaker 2: been I've had twenty six homes bought sold, you know,
Speaker 2: in my life, and made a profit in twenty four.
Speaker 2: I enjoy it. I'm very well. You know, I'm always
Speaker 2: willing to move. I've moved. I've lived in all four
Speaker 2: corners of the country.
Speaker 3: When you're done working, which I know you can't even contemplate,
Speaker 3: but when you are actually done, totally done, so business
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with it. What part of the
Speaker 3: country do you think you'd want to if you lived.
Speaker 2: Somewhere I can see myself always having, you know, somewhere
Speaker 2: somewhere in California by the water.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, so well, I thought you might say, U Tah,
Speaker 3: I love the Yeah.
Speaker 2: We my wife and I have a ranch in Utah.
Speaker 2: It's beautiful. Love it. We're about three months from It
Speaker 2: takes us about a year to fifteen months to we
Speaker 2: buy if we fix it up immediately, so it's always
Speaker 2: you could always move it if you had to. That
Speaker 2: means a lot to us. It's where our kids spend Christmas,
Speaker 2: summer vacation, fourth of July, and so you know, we
Speaker 2: pretty much own it free and clear, so that that
Speaker 2: can stay in the family forever. I would guess I
Speaker 2: would have something in California. I've got a little I've
Speaker 2: got a beach front place, little condo that's adorable. My
Speaker 2: wife during the hurricane, she found something remodeled it. In Naples, Florida.
Speaker 2: Great Florida, great walks on the beach. But I'll take
Speaker 2: you a place, a part of the country that I'm really,
Speaker 2: I absolutely love and it's the Northeast. It's in that
Speaker 2: Rhode Island.
Speaker 3: I just love it so.
Speaker 2: I Rhode Island is near and dear to my heart.
Speaker 2: I have very good friends. I used to go there
Speaker 2: every summer with my kids. Rhode Island beaches are amazing,
Speaker 2: So I love Rhode Island. I've been to the Hampton's,
Speaker 2: Martha's Vineyard, Nantucket, a lot, Stonington. I've been to all
Speaker 2: these places out east. And I will spend I would guess,
Speaker 2: and I'm just throwing this out there. I'll spend my
Speaker 2: summers in the Northeast, somewhere in that area, near the water.
Speaker 2: And then I'll spend my winters, probably in California, near
Speaker 2: the water, in a T shirt, flip flops, jeans and yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, you don't you barely wear shoes as is.
Speaker 3: You're not retired when you're at work.
Speaker 2: So you know, I grew up in a cold water
Speaker 2: beach in Washington State. But there is something to the
Speaker 2: breeze and the sound of the water that to me
Speaker 2: is a little addictive. So that's how I'll wrap it up.
Speaker 3: Oh, it's the greatest. No, it's you know, it's it's
Speaker 3: the greatest. Sorry, I didn't mean to sidetrack you there.
Speaker 3: I was just I find it. I find it fascinating.
Speaker 2: So let's do let's do one NBA topic. So I
Speaker 2: said this, and I thought today it was my lead.
Speaker 2: I said, you see a lot of teams in the
Speaker 2: NBA panic, and I thought the Knicks passing on Paul
Speaker 2: George was the greatest Knicks sign I've seen in years.
Speaker 2: They would have made that move ten years ago and
Speaker 2: five years ago they panicked on Mellow. They could have
Speaker 2: waited until the end of the year. They traded for
Speaker 2: him in season and they gave you know, Mellow ended
Speaker 2: up being a ten million dollar chandelier in an empty house.
Speaker 2: And then Amari Stodemeyer. Everybody in the league knew bad
Speaker 2: Knees Sons were trying to get rid of him. They
Speaker 2: you know, that was New York. Ye. Paul George is
Speaker 2: a top six two way player arguably in the league.
Speaker 2: The Clippers would move off him, and the Knicks are like,
Speaker 2: we like him, we're not going to do the deal
Speaker 2: right now. And I thought, because I think the Knicks
Speaker 2: between Brunson Randall, eleven first round picks in seven years,
Speaker 2: and multiple moveable players like you know, like Josh hart
Speaker 2: uh Yep, Archie Barmes, I think they're one smart move.
Speaker 2: I think they're a good team. I think they're one
Speaker 2: smart move. From being a very good team, and I
Speaker 2: think a very good team could win the East next year.
Speaker 3: So all all up the ante on you on good
Speaker 3: signs for the Knicks. I'd say this is also a
Speaker 3: good sign they're not in the Dame Sweepsticks because that
Speaker 3: the old Knicks would be, because you know, Portland is
Speaker 3: dying for a competitive and competing offer for Miami. The
Speaker 3: Knicks have the draft capital, they have RJ. Barrett, whom
Speaker 3: Portland would like young player, a wing, not a guard.
Speaker 3: But the Knicks I think are correctly assessing we already
Speaker 3: have a small guard. He's thirty three and going to
Speaker 3: be super expensive. And the Knicks want to keep their
Speaker 3: assets available for if the Hardened thing goes wrong, and
Speaker 3: not for Harden if the Harden thing goes wrong in Philly,
Speaker 3: and embiid wants out CIA. All those connections, and you know,
Speaker 3: Mike pal Brian Winnendhorst said ten weeks ago, and it
Speaker 3: was you know, I don't know how many people picked
Speaker 3: up on it, but when the Knicks were in the
Speaker 3: playoffs against the Heat and round two, Wendy said, the
Speaker 3: New York Knicks are ninety five percent focused on Miami
Speaker 3: right now and five percent focused on the future of
Speaker 3: Giannis Antennakoompa and with the Bucks yanit. They can offer
Speaker 3: Yannis a contract extension in September. He almost assuredly will
Speaker 3: not sign it because there's no incentive for him to
Speaker 3: sign it. He has two years left on his deal.
Speaker 3: The Bucks are a very old team that is going
Speaker 3: for it right now, as they should. But Brook Lopez
Speaker 3: just signed a two year deal. Drew Holliday has talked
Speaker 3: about wanting to retire when this contract's over. Chris Middleton
Speaker 3: they just brought back, probably on a slight overpay, but
Speaker 3: because they want to keep it all together. The fact
Speaker 3: that no matter how this year goes for Milwaukee, it
Speaker 3: could it could be Giannis's last year there, or if
Speaker 3: it's not, he's a free agent in two I think
Speaker 3: I think the Knicks smartly understand adding Paul George is
Speaker 3: an improvement if he's healthy, but it doesn't get us
Speaker 3: over the top. Adding Dane would not get us over
Speaker 3: the top. Adding Embiid or certainly adding Yannis, or I'll
Speaker 3: throw one more name out there. You know, if Kyrie
Speaker 3: burns the building down enough in Dallas, Luca could want
Speaker 3: to get out of there. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I think they are trying to stay and it's like
Speaker 3: we already have Jalen Brunson. The MAVs had this and didn't,
Speaker 3: you know, didn't keep it together. That would be smart
Speaker 3: because Jalen Brunson is better than I thought he was. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but if he's your best player, you can't win a title. Impossible.
Speaker 3: If he's your second best player. If the team is
Speaker 3: built out properly and your best player is a superstar,
Speaker 3: well we already saw it was. The team was even
Speaker 3: built out that well. They made a team with They
Speaker 3: made the Western Mferends Finals with him being the second
Speaker 3: best guy with Luca. So I agree with you. I
Speaker 3: think the Knick staying out of Paul George, staying out
Speaker 3: of the Dame stuff is smart. I also think when
Speaker 3: Dame goes to Miami, I think they become for next
Speaker 3: year the clear cut favorites in the East. Yes, I
Speaker 3: think Dame, Jimmy Butler, and Bam fit together so perfectly
Speaker 3: and cover up each other's weaknesses so well, I think
Speaker 3: they're the clear cut favorites in the East, and then
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: Out was well, I mean, listen, you've watched them get
Speaker 2: rid of Vincent and Strus. I mean, you can see
Speaker 2: what they're doing. And the other thing that tells you
Speaker 2: that Portland and Miami are talking is how many leaks
Speaker 2: there are from both teams. So basically they're sending the
Speaker 2: messages out, like Portland continues to say, and leak, we
Speaker 2: will not We're not interested in tire Tyler.
Speaker 3: Hero somewhere else and get assets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Portland is giving their fans and their side
Speaker 2: of the story. You've got to give us more than
Speaker 2: Tyler Hero and picks. And you know, Miami all these
Speaker 2: moves is telling you they're just clearing space. They're getting
Speaker 2: ready for him. So I think he's going to end
Speaker 2: up in Miami. And the truth is, you know, it's
Speaker 2: when you were a young broadcaster and you were ten
Speaker 2: years into your career and you're young or a Dame
Speaker 2: is eleven years in the NBA. I think there's a
Speaker 2: certain level of courage to it. But I do think everybody,
Speaker 2: at some point in their professional career needs to give
Speaker 2: themselves the best opportunity to succeed. Right, Yeah, I think
Speaker 2: I think Dame's earned the right to be on TV
Speaker 2: and Late May he's earned the right one.
Speaker 3: And that the other thing about the Dame thing, this
Speaker 3: is not current Blazer's front office fall. But you have
Speaker 3: a decade of Damian Lollard and you trade first round
Speaker 3: picks for Robert Covington, you had, you had stick, You
Speaker 3: stick with CJ too long and then don't get the
Speaker 3: right package for him. You you treat Nurkice like he's
Speaker 3: the answer you trade. You made a lot that that
Speaker 3: previous front office regimes made a lot of mistakes. Now
Speaker 3: maybe had they done everything right, maybe they don't win.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he was It wasn't Lebron with
Speaker 3: the Calves the first time around level of front office incompetence,
Speaker 3: but it was pretty damn bad dad between the time
Speaker 3: LaMarcus Aldridge left and right now that his best teammate
Speaker 3: was simply a worst version of him in CJ. McCollum.
Speaker 3: Is a terrible job that you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: That's a terrible job. And that's one of the reasons
Speaker 3: the Dame thing, to me is different than a lot
Speaker 3: of these other trade demand trade requests. He was as
Speaker 3: patient as anyone could have asked. He held up his
Speaker 3: end as well as anyone could have expected, if not better.
Speaker 3: He's coming off your average thirty two points per game,
Speaker 3: and Portland just didn't. It's not that he wasn't the guy.
Speaker 3: It's like, I don't want to be in the small market.
Speaker 3: I want to be He didn't have the wandering eye
Speaker 3: the moment he got there, the way people felt with
Speaker 3: Zion in New Orleans or ad in New Orleans. No,
Speaker 3: he wanted to stay there and wanted to be there,
Speaker 3: and they blew it. And now so I you know,
Speaker 3: I hope he goes to Miami. I think it'll be
Speaker 3: a great fit, and I think they can win the
Speaker 3: damn title. Eric Spolstra, Jimmy Butler, Bam and Dame. That
Speaker 3: team can win the damn title.
Speaker 2: By the way, when you retire, though it's a long
Speaker 2: way off, what will where you go.
Speaker 3: It's very interesting. So because I kind of have a
Speaker 3: two track mind on this one is so I'm thirty eight,
Speaker 3: I uh my, my. What I tell my wife is
Speaker 3: in ten years, my daughter, my youngest daughter, will be
Speaker 3: going to college. At that point, if I don't have enough,
Speaker 3: if I haven't put away enough money to be have
Speaker 3: the choice to retire to where everything our whole life's
Speaker 3: paid for. I'm about to be fifty. Then I have
Speaker 3: screwed up. My goal between now and when my youngest
Speaker 3: ghost to college is make enough money, put enough money
Speaker 3: away that if I want to be like I'm done,
Speaker 3: I'm allowed to be, you know what I mean, I
Speaker 3: can be done now. My wife tells me I'll never
Speaker 3: be done. She thinks I'll never you know, certainly not
Speaker 3: at forty eight or forty nine. She might be right.
Speaker 3: I don't know. But under that circumstance, what if I
Speaker 3: were done and I was still young, I would do
Speaker 3: one of two things. I would either go to law
Speaker 3: school or I would travel around and play in poker tournaments.
Speaker 3: Are two very different things, but not that different in
Speaker 3: that I would need to do something that was intellectually challenged,
Speaker 3: and I might you know, I've played around with the
Speaker 3: idea of going to law school now like night class,
Speaker 3: Like what if I took two classes a semester. Now
Speaker 3: it's gonna be what I could maybe be done in
Speaker 3: six years, you know what I mean, and then just
Speaker 3: have that done. Uh, And maybe I would do that,
Speaker 3: and maybe I will do that. I'm not sure. I
Speaker 3: also think it's kind of bullshit that I have to
Speaker 3: go to law school. I feel like I should be
Speaker 3: able to take the bar, and if I pass it,
Speaker 3: just good job. Like let me study for the bar
Speaker 3: and take the bar and then someone will hire me. Fine,
Speaker 3: but best I can tell, that's only legal in Louisiana,
Speaker 3: and I'm not I'm sure if it's legal in Louisiana anymore.
Speaker 2: A lot of things are illegal, a lot of things are.
Speaker 3: Exactly right. So I don't know if that So that's
Speaker 3: not a thing. I don't think. My wife, you know,
Speaker 3: my wife has this store in New York City, you
Speaker 3: know it Trintage. That's where we do the podcast. She
Speaker 3: wants to open one in Vegas. Uh and she, you know,
Speaker 3: she says she'd be open to living in Vegas. I
Speaker 3: I think Vegas full time is tough. I think the
Speaker 3: Vegas summers are tough, you know what I mean, like
Speaker 3: the especially with the way the climate's going. I love
Speaker 3: southern California. I loved it, but I was there without
Speaker 3: my family. You know. That's when I was commuting Houston
Speaker 3: to LA. I know where I won't live. I wouldn't
Speaker 3: I wouldn't live in Texas again. With no respect to
Speaker 3: the wonderful people you know, my friends there or whatever.
Speaker 3: I couldn't do that again. And I don't think I'll
Speaker 3: live in New York City forever. I love it here,
Speaker 3: and I oddly love Broadway. I really love it. And
Speaker 3: the restaurants are as good as everybody says. But I
Speaker 3: am at my heart, I am a Midwestern kid, and
Speaker 3: I miss having a yard. I just miss it. I
Speaker 3: miss being able to go, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: put my feet in the grass in the yard. And
Speaker 3: I've lived in Harlem for seven years now. So like I,
Speaker 3: I don't think I and I think New York City
Speaker 3: be a hard place to be old. Obviously that sounds
Speaker 3: dumb because there's a lot of old people here, there's
Speaker 3: fifteen million people, But just because of the walking in
Speaker 3: the subway, in the weather, it's just I think it
Speaker 3: would be hard to be an old person in the city.
Speaker 3: So I think the answer is probably uh la. I
Speaker 3: think that My my you know, my youngest, my youngest,
Speaker 3: my middle daughter is going to I don't know if
Speaker 3: I told you this. She's going to University of California,
Speaker 3: Santa Cruz, so she's going to be in northern California.
Speaker 3: My son is you know, works on the at Fox
Speaker 3: on the Line. Yeah, and so he's in LA. So
Speaker 3: that's probably where i'd be. But if i'm if I
Speaker 3: am done before I'm fifty, then it might I might
Speaker 3: dictate it by what my wife's career is doing. But
Speaker 3: I also probably won't be done. I'll probably just, you know,
Speaker 3: just do this for a very long time. I just
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. You got your I think
Speaker 3: you would have not gotten tired of talking about sports,
Speaker 3: but I think you needed another huge challenge. And that's
Speaker 3: one of the reasons the volume exists was because, like
Speaker 3: I don't I think you're I know how hard you
Speaker 3: work every day on your show, but you've mastered that
Speaker 3: to a degree where it wasn't It's not like your
Speaker 3: show's hard to do. It is a lot of work,
Speaker 3: but it's not intellectually difficult for you. You know what
Speaker 3: to do, so you created a new mountain to climb.
Speaker 3: I don't know what I would do, because I'm not
Speaker 3: a businessman. I'm not an entrepreneur. I am a gambler.
Speaker 3: But that's also you know, I talked about putting a
Speaker 3: way enough money to retire buying fifty. That's also a
Speaker 3: way to lose that money. So I don't know. I
Speaker 3: don't know what I'll do. I you know, we're coming up.
Speaker 3: I got twenty eight more shows and it will be
Speaker 3: fifteen hundred episodes of First Things First, fifteen hundred episodisodes
Speaker 3: of the TV show. And I was thinking about it
Speaker 3: the other day. I was like, what sports TV shows
Speaker 3: have been going on without, you know, uninterrupted longer than
Speaker 3: mine and it's yours, undisputed PTI around the Horn, first take,
Speaker 3: and I think that's the list.
Speaker 2: You know, it's interesting. You just jarred a memory for me.
Speaker 2: You know how earlier you were saying that Twitter sometimes
Speaker 2: can be discouraging. This is a prime example of what
Speaker 2: Twitter is. So one of the reasons I put filters in.
Speaker 2: I didn't mind being criticized on social It bothered me
Speaker 2: when people criticized people at the volume. I didn't like that,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, or like you. And so when you announced
Speaker 2: FS one announced and you announced my show's moving from
Speaker 2: the morning to after Collins Show that day, I went
Speaker 2: on to see how people would react to you. Of
Speaker 2: one hundred tweets, ninety nine thought it would fail and
Speaker 2: it was a terrible idea. The show is the fastest
Speaker 2: growing show in sports cable, and you and I both
Speaker 2: knew that it was the right move of the show.
Speaker 2: You and I privately didn't discuss it. But what is
Speaker 2: happening to your show? I largely predicted you're going to
Speaker 2: get a stable number. You and I, our personalities are
Speaker 2: saying we're friends. So you and I knew it was
Speaker 2: going to work. The company knew it was going to work.
Speaker 2: Twitter abject failure as a boss. As a very smart
Speaker 2: person in my industry once said, Twitter is wrong about
Speaker 2: everything everything but.
Speaker 3: So but and here's the thing. I at, you know,
Speaker 3: the most, not all, but most television shows, and by
Speaker 3: being canceled again not all Some people it's just like, hey,
Speaker 3: this is a great run, We're done, whatever it is,
Speaker 3: but like the most successful version of our And I
Speaker 3: didn't include Inside the NBA or any of those shows,
Speaker 3: but I'm talking you know what I'm talking about the
Speaker 3: daily sports talk shows. You know PTI is the longest
Speaker 3: running and most successful, right, yeah, one day that much
Speaker 3: show you know could get canceled. Who knows if that
Speaker 3: were to happen, there would be an article written or
Speaker 3: certainly people you know takes given about it failing it's like, well,
Speaker 3: it ran for twenty eight years and had a documentary
Speaker 3: made about it. Like I don't think that. So I
Speaker 3: mean the fact that this thing and we've had different
Speaker 3: iterations of it, but I've been there from day one
Speaker 3: and at this point I'm the only one that's been
Speaker 3: there from day one. We are pro again right before
Speaker 3: football we will hit fifteen hundred episodes. It's pretty unbelievable,
Speaker 3: made it through a pandemic doing the shows from our
Speaker 3: home and now, you know, the me Wilds and Brew
Speaker 3: have really hit a rhythm where the show is fun
Speaker 3: and the show is consistently good, and this show I
Speaker 3: could do. I feel like I could do it as
Speaker 3: you know, how however, as long as they'll let me.
Speaker 3: And you and I did talk about the fact that
Speaker 3: the having your show lead, you know, the wor show
Speaker 3: on my show be a block on the network that
Speaker 3: that was If that didn't work, then one of us
Speaker 3: like something's wrong, and what has happened is like you said,
Speaker 3: and I don't ever, I don't understand why people in
Speaker 3: our business publicize how much money they make. And I
Speaker 3: don't understand why people you know, try you know, to
Speaker 3: tout ratings regularly. I'm not saying occasionally sending out a
Speaker 3: thank you or whatever. I just feel like you're just
Speaker 3: putting a target on your back, especially the salaries thing.
Speaker 3: I don't get it. I'm like, you get the ego
Speaker 3: boost of it being written about and your friends from
Speaker 3: high school seeing it. The downside is it almost as
Speaker 3: surely alienates coworkers. It puts a huge target on your back.
Speaker 3: It's just insane. So I don't talk about either. But
Speaker 3: what I will say, because you reference it's true, is
Speaker 3: it is crazy Colin that in a time of cable
Speaker 3: contracting and cord cutting, in all of it, your show
Speaker 3: and my show aren't up small percentages. They're up massive
Speaker 3: jumps to where you're and where having some of our
Speaker 3: best months ever, you know, in a time when that's
Speaker 3: not true for really anybody. And I think you know,
Speaker 3: I think it's a test to the network, and I
Speaker 3: think it's a testament to you and I right now
Speaker 3: and again, if you're listening to this an hour and
Speaker 3: five minutes in, you like Colin and I both, so
Speaker 3: I apologize for the self congratulatory nature of it, but
Speaker 3: you and I now are both doing the exact show
Speaker 3: we want to do. Yeah, and the fact that that
Speaker 3: is working is so gratifying, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 3: just like, let me do the exact show I want
Speaker 3: to do, and if it doesn't work, then hey, I
Speaker 3: was wrong or whatever. But at least, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Let's do it. And we are. And your
Speaker 3: show's as you know, as good as it has ever been.
Speaker 3: And my show is so different. I used to be
Speaker 3: on at six point thirty in the morning, bald headed scowlings,
Speaker 3: yelling at people, and now I'm bringing out goddamn trumpeters, laughing,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, and talking about the prince
Speaker 3: of those promised. The show has changed. But it's fun
Speaker 3: and it's good and yeah, so in that regard, I'll
Speaker 3: do it for I'll do it for a long time.
Speaker 2: The Oprah Winfrey once told Jim Gray, the sports guy
Speaker 2: who told me about a month ago. He said, Jim
Speaker 2: came out and it was very complimentary of the show,
Speaker 2: and I said, how are things And he said, he said,
Speaker 2: how long are you going to do that for? And
Speaker 2: I said, oh, I like it. I just I really
Speaker 2: enjoy Jason, I enjoy my coworkers. And he said. Oprah
Speaker 2: once told me, if you talk for a living. Keep
Speaker 2: talking for a living. It's the easiest job. And never
Speaker 2: stopped talking.
Speaker 3: Before we're done. Can I tell you a quick Jim
Speaker 3: Gray story? At the Super Bowl, We're in the hotel
Speaker 3: we're staying at. Jim Gray comes in, uh and I'm
Speaker 3: sitting there with some colleagues and I saw him and
Speaker 3: I introduced myself, called mister Gray and mister Gray nick wright,
Speaker 3: you know, massive respect. And he was like, he's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I know you Nick, And I was like, okay, sure, thanks,
Speaker 3: but you know, it's the word. But then he just
Speaker 3: engages us and starts telling stories and talking. We're going
Speaker 3: back and forth, and so I somehow, you know, I
Speaker 3: asked him, you know, you know, why are you still working?
Speaker 3: Why do you still you know to what you because
Speaker 3: he was about to go somewhere work and he didn't
Speaker 3: tell that anecdote or whatever, but he he just you know,
Speaker 3: gave a good, nice answer, and then he was like,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll ask you. He was like, why do
Speaker 3: you do this? And I had just talked about I
Speaker 3: had I basically started to relay a story regarding Tom
Speaker 3: Brady that I had just done on my podcast, and
Speaker 3: Jim fucking Gray stops me mid story. I was like, oh,
Speaker 3: you told this story last week on What's Right? And
Speaker 3: I almost passed out, bro, And I'm like, I'm like,
Speaker 3: first of all, I'm also scanning in my brain. I'm like,
Speaker 3: at any point on What's Right? Did I ever take
Speaker 3: a shot at Jim Gray? Because that show with Tom
Speaker 3: Brady was not like but I was like, I was like,
Speaker 3: I never said anything bad, did I? But the fact
Speaker 3: that I was like that was such a cool moment
Speaker 3: for me. I'm like, this guy who was you know
Speaker 3: that he has been the Forrest Gump almost of so
Speaker 3: many sports moments, iconic sports moments throughout all of history.
Speaker 3: At some point was riding in his car listening to
Speaker 3: the podcast that I do with my children for my
Speaker 3: wife's store. I'm like, that's pretty cool. And he was
Speaker 3: so nice. He was so nice and so cool. I'd
Speaker 3: never met him before that day, but that's a legend.
Speaker 3: That's a legend in the business.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I I one of the things that
Speaker 2: I've always appreciated about Brady is, you know, his gratitude.
Speaker 2: He gets emotional now when you talk about, you know,
Speaker 2: his football career, and I think there's so many people
Speaker 2: in America that work really hard and don't love their job.
Speaker 2: That I every I drive to work in a good mood.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm just thinking I'm going to talk sport.
Speaker 2: So I try to convey that to the audience that
Speaker 2: they have a right to criticize me because I'm not
Speaker 2: always good, but I think I'm I feel very, very fortunate.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: I grew up in a small town, divorced parents, didn't
Speaker 2: have a lot, So I feel happy as hell Tonight's
Speaker 2: AND's not here tonight, so it's I'm currently taping this
Speaker 2: at five eleven, and I've got to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I may just go I may go out and have
Speaker 2: a cocktail and a steak tonight by myself. That's weird.
Speaker 3: That is when I lived in La Can I tell
Speaker 3: you a great spot. It's not like a hole in
Speaker 3: the world restaurant, but a great alone cocktail steak spot.
Speaker 3: The the Del Frisco's Grill, which is like the quicker
Speaker 3: Del Frisco's, but they have the full menu on the
Speaker 3: right right on by the Santa Monica Pier. They have
Speaker 3: an outdoor seating area. It's only like four seats instead
Speaker 3: of high top and it is facing the pier, and
Speaker 3: I used to go there twice a week when I
Speaker 3: lived by myself, out there by myself, put on a podcast,
Speaker 3: order a seventy dollars steak and a side of spinach,
Speaker 3: and just sit there silently listening to something, watching people
Speaker 3: walk the pier. This was when I was living out
Speaker 3: there was right wind. Do you remember when Pokemon Go
Speaker 3: became super popular and everyone was it was the game
Speaker 3: on your phone, but you had to go like find
Speaker 3: Pokemon in the real world. But it was like but
Speaker 3: it was it was people Like it was just hordes
Speaker 3: of people, a lot of them playing Pokemon Go and
Speaker 3: walking on the Santa Monica Pier and the beach is there,
Speaker 3: and I'm just sitting there and I'm like, I understand,
Speaker 3: like one hundred bucks for a one person dinner by
Speaker 3: themselves is kind of silly, but also no way I
Speaker 3: could possibly enjoy ninety minutes more. No, I'm just sitting
Speaker 3: here in the corner outdoors the ocean breeze, having a
Speaker 3: great steak, having a drink. I can't recommend it strongly
Speaker 3: in listen.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty I'm pretty frugal. The one thing I spend
Speaker 2: money on is cocktails and food. I tell my kids
Speaker 2: this all the time, education and experiences. I don't look
Speaker 2: at the check like I'm going to educate my kids.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have good experiences. I was telling somebody
Speaker 2: this recently. There's no place in America that gets more criticized.
Speaker 2: But it's greater to live than California. I mean, no,
Speaker 2: we just lost scott Bao, which is a great loss
Speaker 2: to state, economically, devastating, devastating. But we have Mediterranean weather.
Speaker 2: We have no humidity. We don't get really lightning, we
Speaker 2: don't get hail, we don't get winter. I guess we
Speaker 2: get earthquakes. I've never lived through one. We have homeless,
Speaker 2: which major cities have. But I think Mayor Karen Bass
Speaker 2: has actually done a very solid job on that. It
Speaker 2: doesn't feel quite as intense as it was before Karen
Speaker 2: Bass took over the new mayor. Our crime is overstated.
Speaker 2: If you look at crimes, crime is overstated.
Speaker 3: It's unbelievable. The there are the la You know, what
Speaker 3: is one of the safest places big cities in the world,
Speaker 3: New York City. No one believes you, but it's true.
Speaker 3: It's now like where I'm from, Kansas City, wildly, Kansas
Speaker 3: City more dangerous than Chicago, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: Like the cities that the crime stats, that people get
Speaker 3: banged over, that all because people don't understand that you
Speaker 3: have to do everything per per capita. You can't be like,
Speaker 3: well there were this many murders, Well were there twelve
Speaker 3: million people there or one point two million? Because it
Speaker 3: matters and the listen you said. The homelessness that I
Speaker 3: this is you know, a separate discussion for separate day.
Speaker 3: I think you know, it is a blight on the
Speaker 3: American consciousness that we are seemingly just opting in to
Speaker 3: every major city having a good percentage of its population
Speaker 3: being homeless. That we've just like, ah, housing is n't affordable,
Speaker 3: and we're not going to give people mental health care,
Speaker 3: and we're not going to give people adequate drug treatment.
Speaker 3: So there's gonna be people on the street. But those people,
Speaker 3: in my opinion, should be angry at those three things.
Speaker 3: Instead they will they are willfully blind to the causes
Speaker 3: of it, and then just fucking angry that the people exist.
Speaker 3: They're like, why these people somewhere It's like, well, there's
Speaker 3: nowhere for anyone to go, and no one can afford
Speaker 3: a house. So that's not an indictment on any of
Speaker 3: these cities in my opinion. That that and I understand.
Speaker 3: I was in LA and I saw there was like
Speaker 3: a camp. But if you don't affordable housing and you
Speaker 3: don't have healthcare or drug treatment, p people are going
Speaker 3: to have to be somewhere. So I if Las sucked
Speaker 3: and New York sucked, it's not cheap to live in
Speaker 3: either place, there wouldn't be millions of people here. People
Speaker 3: love it, you know what I mean. There's a lot
Speaker 3: of I understand they're like, oh my god, it's so cheap.
Speaker 3: And I'm not trying to be an elitist again, I'm
Speaker 3: from Missouri. They're like, the cost of living in South
Speaker 3: Dakota is cheap. Lands available, you can go. Like people
Speaker 3: seem to like California quite a bit, listen for a
Speaker 3: lot of reasons.
Speaker 2: I love Chicago. I never feel unsafe. My wife and
Speaker 2: I go regularly. It's my favorite big city in the country.
Speaker 2: Las two. I like New York, but Chicago's kind of
Speaker 2: a cleaner version, easier to navigate. I love big cities,
Speaker 2: not all of them, but I don't love all small towns.
Speaker 2: I tend to be just my I like to be
Speaker 2: by the beach, in the mountains or a city. Right
Speaker 2: that's you think yourself, well, that's everywhere, but it's not
Speaker 2: I like to be I like the mountains because I
Speaker 2: love to ski and I like to hike. I like
Speaker 2: the water because I like the breeze and I grew
Speaker 2: up with it. And I like cities, and so a
Speaker 2: lot of the country flat without water or mountains is
Speaker 2: just not appealing to me. That's nothing against the place.
Speaker 3: Why you've never been to Kansas City. It's the only
Speaker 3: big city in the world you've never been to. That's why.
Speaker 2: But no city or state gets criticized by Los Angeles
Speaker 2: like Los Angeles. And I think some of it is
Speaker 2: we tend to lean more left than the rest of
Speaker 2: the country. Another thing is it's a lot of beautiful people.
Speaker 2: But if the entertainment business was in Cleveland, there'd be
Speaker 2: more beautiful people in Cleveland. It is part of what
Speaker 2: our economy is based on. And the other thing is
Speaker 2: people hate what they don't have or they're threatened by.
Speaker 2: And the truth is it's the biggest economy in the country.
Speaker 2: We've got better weather than everybody else. We're not perfect.
Speaker 2: Our traffic is hard. Taxes like they are in New
Speaker 2: York and Chicago, these major municipalities. It's very expensive. You've got,
Speaker 2: you know, education budgets, road budgets, like they're expensive cities.
Speaker 2: But I do think it's interesting. People often get very
Speaker 2: defensive in America. If I went on the air and
Speaker 2: ripped Kansas City, it would make the newspapers, it would trends. Yeah,
Speaker 2: people in Arkansas and Alabama ripped California, and nobody cares here.
Speaker 3: Well, so this is and then we can we can
Speaker 3: go because now we're going to I'm gonna start because
Speaker 3: I can't help myself waiting into politics. It I find it.
Speaker 3: I'm not actually offended, but I find it offensive that
Speaker 3: because people know I lean pretty far left, and I
Speaker 3: hate that Democrats have just decided we are going to
Speaker 3: allow the other side to call giant swaths of our
Speaker 3: country not real America, because if it was you you here,
Speaker 3: some conservative politicians talk about these major cities with millions
Speaker 3: of people and say, huh, you know, I was in
Speaker 3: la or I was in New York. It's nice to
Speaker 3: be back in real America. It's nice to be back
Speaker 3: with real Americans. When can you imagine. Can you imagine
Speaker 3: if someone running for a national office that was a
Speaker 3: Democrat was like, Man, I was just in Biloxi, Mississippi,
Speaker 3: and let me tell you, it's nice to be back
Speaker 3: to a civilization supposed to that hell hole I was.
Speaker 3: They'd be like, it's nice to be back with real
Speaker 3: Americans here as opposed to that, but it wouldn't allow it.
Speaker 3: I there is the You are one hundred percent correct
Speaker 3: that it has just become commonplace to just be like
Speaker 3: San Francisco, La New York sucks. Don't know why anyone
Speaker 3: lived there. Oddly, it's wildly expensive, way densely populated people.
Speaker 3: You put a house up for a sale and you
Speaker 3: get three over three percent over asking the first day.
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on there, but I that
Speaker 3: so frustrates me, man, And it really frustrates me because
Speaker 3: they act like any of these places, every place you
Speaker 3: go to is the most it is. As far as
Speaker 3: like political affiliation is like sixty five thirty five, There
Speaker 3: is no place in the way you're gonna find in
Speaker 3: the country that's ninety ten or anything like that. Everything
Speaker 3: is people make you know, Republicans and Democrats, gay and
Speaker 3: straight black woy, everybody mix together, and yeah, I don't
Speaker 3: like the way people take shots at Chicago and New
Speaker 3: York and they're major cities. Listen, anywhere where you have
Speaker 3: major cities and a lot of people and a lot
Speaker 3: of industry and a lot of money, you're gonna have
Speaker 3: the good and the bad that comes with That's just
Speaker 3: how the world works.
Speaker 2: Chicago, excuse my language, is a great fucking time. My
Speaker 2: wife and I eat party friends up all night. I
Speaker 2: have never had a bad night in Chicago. It is
Speaker 2: so much fun. You know what's not fun? Ten o'clock crickets.
Speaker 2: Chicago is a late night big city broad shoulders, water noise.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're my favorite bar. Remember the one I
Speaker 2: gave you you were going to Chicago when I told
Speaker 2: your wife, did you go?
Speaker 3: Yes? Yes, Yes, Oh I went. I forgot to tell you.
Speaker 3: I went to a different place as well. And at
Speaker 3: the end of the meal, it might have been the
Speaker 3: place you told me. At the end of the meal,
Speaker 3: the waitress said to me, she was like, I didn't
Speaker 3: want to bother you until everything was done. She was like,
Speaker 3: but the way she put it was very nice. She's like,
Speaker 3: I know who you are. I'm like, Okay, thank you.
Speaker 3: She was like Colin Coward was here two weeks ago
Speaker 3: and it was I was like, that is unbelievable. She's like,
Speaker 3: I served him, now I'm serving you. So I think
Speaker 3: it was I forget the name of the place. Was
Speaker 3: the place you recommended? I went there with Danny with
Speaker 3: Danny Parkins.
Speaker 2: Who you It's my favorite bar in the country. I
Speaker 2: think it's Maple and ash.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: I have met the most interesting people there. I think
Speaker 2: they're going to open one up in Los Angeles. Chicago.
Speaker 3: It is.
Speaker 2: I love it. I can. I got introduced to it
Speaker 2: late Vancouver, BC, LA, and Chicago. Those are my cities.
Speaker 3: So Vancouver's I've never been, but I've heard it's unbelievable.
Speaker 3: The one place that I would add that I love.
Speaker 3: My wife just got back from his New Orleans. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and that just because the culture and the food and
Speaker 3: it's another place with beautiful people. But it's a very
Speaker 3: New Orleans more so than any other city in the country.
Speaker 3: Feels like you're out of the country, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. There's it almost feels like international place. But
Speaker 3: all these places have their issues, but there's I don't know,
Speaker 3: you you got the your defense of Chicago kind of
Speaker 3: flippantly on your show. Yeah, a few months ago made
Speaker 3: like that was a big story in Chicago when j
Speaker 3: Mack was like, Oh, that place sucks, and you were like,
Speaker 3: I love it there. I go there all the time.
Speaker 3: That was a big that was on Danny's Danny's radio
Speaker 3: show in Chicago, a big topic. They it was a
Speaker 3: it was a big thing. But yeah, it gets it's
Speaker 3: used as a cudgel for I think bad actors. But yeah,
Speaker 3: the I don't know that I could live there because
Speaker 3: the winters are so harsh. But in the spring of
Speaker 3: the summer in Lake Michigan pretty unbelievable. It's like having
Speaker 3: an ocean thing so big, it's pretty great.
Speaker 2: It's also got the best one of the best looking
Speaker 2: people under forty five in America because all it's the
Speaker 2: one place in the Midwest to get rich largely, so
Speaker 2: the best looking young men, the most confident men and
Speaker 2: women from all those great universities people. Yes, they all
Speaker 2: go to Chicago and you go out on a Friday
Speaker 2: night and you're like, this is a good looking town.
Speaker 2: There are good looking people everywhere in Chicago.
Speaker 3: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 2: All right, buddy.
Speaker 3: All right, hey, I love you, it's great to see you.
Speaker 3: You Where are you if you don't mind me asking?
Speaker 3: And then we'll go Where are you going this summer?
Speaker 3: I heard you mentioned you're going on a cruise.
Speaker 2: I'm going to Rhode Island for ten days at the
Speaker 2: end of August, and then I'm going on a boat
Speaker 2: trip with two other couples in a couple of weeks
Speaker 2: through the Desolation Islands in Vancouver, BC, which is the
Speaker 2: warmest water north of Mexico. It's an amazing oh six
Speaker 2: stay cruise.
Speaker 3: That sounds awesome. I so I taking my wife and
Speaker 3: kids to the Caribbean in a week and a half
Speaker 3: for the family trip. And then a thing my wife
Speaker 3: and I have started doing is when we get our
Speaker 3: week off in August, we take her grandparents, who are
Speaker 3: the most mobile and with it and awesome ninety and
Speaker 3: ninety three year olds in the world. We took them, well,
Speaker 3: ninety ninety two, but the granddad turns ninety three here
Speaker 3: in a few weeks pre pandemic, we took them to Barcelona,
Speaker 3: went everywhere the four of us post pandemic. Last summer
Speaker 3: we took them to Rome and this year the four
Speaker 3: of us are flying to Amsterdam, going Amsterdam to Germany
Speaker 3: to Belgium to Paris. Driving it me my wife and
Speaker 3: her ninety plus year old nonagenarian grandparents, who are our
Speaker 3: best friends. They're the coolest people, so we've just decided
Speaker 3: as long as they can do it, there are travel partners.
Speaker 3: They're the only couple that likes us enough to travel
Speaker 3: with us, so they're the people we travel with. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so that'll be great, all right. Hopefully I'll be in
Speaker 3: l a uh and we can get together when you're there,
Speaker 3: all right, buddy, great talking all right, talk to you later,
Speaker 3: see you
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