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But we will tell you who is here 0:00:43.080 --> 0:00:46.919 on our White Elephant week on Hanging with a Boy 0:00:46.960 --> 0:00:47.720 to call Yeah. 0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:48.280 Yeah, yeah. 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:52.280 You're looking live at Tostitos Championship Plaza outside Fort Center 0:00:52.360 --> 0:00:55.400 at the Star in Frisco, Texas, where it is very 0:00:55.480 --> 0:00:58.000 lively out there. There's a lot of action on the plaza. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:01.040 It is eighty three degree. That may have something to 0:01:01.120 --> 0:01:03.279 do with it. And the HI today is ninety one 0:01:03.320 --> 0:01:05.000 and I just found out the load to night is 0:01:05.240 --> 0:01:07.120 forty nine degree. 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:10.839 Turn me up, let's go. I'm about that. Oh yeah, 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.600 and you were listening to what is it you are? Shannon? 0:01:15.040 --> 0:01:17.760 This is Jazz. This is Nick Harris in the back 0:01:17.800 --> 0:01:19.080 of Christopher Beemer. 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:19.520 There we go. 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.720 Hi, am Josh Rodriguez you're listening to Hanging with the Boys, 0:01:22.800 --> 0:01:25.440 the sports talk equivalent of Brielley with the Boys and 0:01:25.480 --> 0:01:29.160 Goal Poe metaphorically, when we. 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:32.600 Speak, there we go. Chris asked Jesse, asked Jess how 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:33.160 he did? 0:01:34.560 --> 0:01:35.200 I missed it? 0:01:35.680 --> 0:01:36.959 Asked Jesse how he did? 0:01:37.360 --> 0:01:38.040 How we do? Jesse? 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:38.880 Practice? 0:01:39.360 --> 0:01:41.640 Practice practice? Okay, I tried to do a tone down 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:43.600 version because I think the only way you can go 0:01:43.800 --> 0:01:46.640 is down from Jesse. You know what I'm saying, like, 0:01:46.640 --> 0:01:49.120 you have to tone it down. I can't go to that. 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.040 If you're going into the bye week needing some practice, 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:53.120 You're not the only one around here. 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:57.680 And just to say shots, we are brought to them 0:01:58.120 --> 0:02:05.240 each and every day by Wing Stop Flavor gets its way. Yeah, 0:02:05.440 --> 0:02:06.040 we got. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:07.840 Practice. 0:02:07.960 --> 0:02:11.960 We all listen to all shows either. So, but how 0:02:11.960 --> 0:02:13.800 does it feel to sit in the seats of the 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:16.720 number one rated podcast on the Dallas Cowboys Network. 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:19.480 It's funny because you guys have more podcasts than everybody else. 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:21.360 So it's funny how that number works out. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:23.240 You know, we have more podcasts than everybody. 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:27.079 Literally, they're more Hanging with the Boys podcast, We're all 0:02:27.240 --> 0:02:30.640 they're like twenty that last there's only two more So 0:02:30.720 --> 0:02:36.519 let's not let's oh Josh, okay, okay, you're sharing right 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.760 sometimes Okay, the mood, so we're talking about quantity. 0:02:39.880 --> 0:02:41.640 I didn't know we were coming on the air and 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:43.880 starting to throw rocks at people, like. 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:45.160 I'm just here to talk ball. 0:02:45.480 --> 0:02:46.560 Yeah the show. 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:48.120 By the way, I didn't know we're here. 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.760 And he's like, so the number one show, that's a fact. 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:56.200 That's a fact. Apparently we have more shows than everybody. 0:02:56.240 --> 0:02:58.000 So that's an excuse you can use until next week. 0:02:58.040 --> 0:02:58.880 The number of episodes. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:02:59.880 Yes, all right, let's go. 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:00.680 It's fair enough. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:01.040 All right. 0:03:01.240 --> 0:03:04.799 The second best fight between radio hosts today. 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:09.799 Wow them? So how do let's go around? By the way, 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:12.640 let's enter. Everybody kind of entered. Everybody should know me 0:03:12.680 --> 0:03:15.760 and Josh because we're we're interact on the show all 0:03:15.800 --> 0:03:17.640 the time on this show. So for the people that 0:03:17.680 --> 0:03:21.799 don't know, Nick, introduce yourself. Sorry, let me introduce the 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.200 lady on the show. First, Jazz introducer. 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:28.280 I'm Jazz Money from Girls Talk, Boys Talk Okay, anything 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.239 else I should share? No, this is my first season 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:33.440 doing this with the Dallas Cowboys. I've had my own 0:03:33.480 --> 0:03:34.880 podcast on YouTube for a while. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:38.080 Oh nice, So I would say yes, normally, but the 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.880 last year we had these, I tried to get to 0:03:40.880 --> 0:03:42.680 know everyone on the air, and it was the two 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:45.000 worst shows I've ever done in my life because there 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:46.960 was I was like, I don't really know these people, 0:03:47.000 --> 0:03:48.280 Let's get to know each other. Where are you from? 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:48.680 What are you doing? 0:03:48.760 --> 0:03:51.120 It was terrible radio. So that's that works perfectly, So 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:51.520 thank you. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.760 Okay, all right, I'm gonna use that you a shortened sweet. 0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:55.240 I'm to Carris. 0:03:55.320 --> 0:03:58.400 I'm on the Break formerly of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:03:58.400 --> 0:04:00.280 now with the four star Tillgram and Josh. 0:04:00.360 --> 0:04:02.840 For folks that don't know who you are, I just. 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:04.360 Kind of work here, man, you know what I mean. 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.120 I've pushed a couple of buttons in the back and 0:04:07.160 --> 0:04:09.280 that's why asked me yesterday. 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.320 He was like, who's Josh? And I'm like, he's just 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.760 always doing something very important. But he's always in the 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:17.120 room with Beam, always doing something very important. Go introduce 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.760 yourself and this is fair. This is fair a vip 0:04:19.920 --> 0:04:20.800 of sorts. 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:22.719 No, not note at all, And you're on which shows 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:28.080 Escape by Talking Cowboys, the flagship podcast on the Dallascowboys 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:29.279 dot Com radio network. 0:04:29.360 --> 0:04:32.200 Baby apparently with two less shows than us every month. 0:04:32.040 --> 0:04:34.160 So just a couple less shows and it just was 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:36.039 a weird month because of you kind of training camp. 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.080 And anyways, no excuses, no excuses. You guys are number one. 0:04:39.240 --> 0:04:41.080 You take us live and man, we've been working for 0:04:41.120 --> 0:04:43.359 that for ten years. Let us have our moment. 0:04:43.440 --> 0:04:45.719 You take it your number one podcast. I'm happy to 0:04:45.760 --> 0:04:47.840 be I'm honored. I'm honored to be on hanging for you. 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:50.679 Sit and keep pushing those buttons because the button pushers 0:04:50.680 --> 0:04:53.520 in the back wind up doing big things with this organization. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.839 So everyone gets out of the basement Jesus except Chris. 0:04:57.560 --> 0:04:58.640 Chris Chris. 0:05:01.240 --> 0:05:04.240 So yeah, all right, let's talk some football. 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:05.719 Let's beef man, Jazz. 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.799 Let's start with you. We're going into the bye week. 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:15.840 What were your expectations going into the season, Where are 0:05:15.839 --> 0:05:18.320 they now and where do you think this team is 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:19.680 going to end up at the end of the year. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.360 Oh lord, where it started, where it's going. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:27.279 With my expectations coming into the season, I wanted to 0:05:27.279 --> 0:05:28.880 see what Zim was going to do with the defense. 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:32.120 With the reputation that he had for being like a 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:35.400 no nonsense guy. I wanted to see how that would 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.680 pair with what honestly, like, I'm one of those people 0:05:38.720 --> 0:05:40.080 I like to go back to this is what this 0:05:40.160 --> 0:05:42.880 person said, and I was singing about Michael Parsons podcast. 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:44.279 Now he's all like, I want to be a leader 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.240 and hold people accountable, and I'm like, how's that going 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:48.480 to work with this guy? So I was expecting to 0:05:48.520 --> 0:05:52.159 see a much like a very disciplined defense that was 0:05:52.200 --> 0:05:53.400 like really on top of their game. 0:05:53.960 --> 0:05:54.719 From the offense. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.200 I was expecting a lot more comfort with Michae McCarthy 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:00.919 assistance their second year in a lot of the same players, 0:06:02.000 --> 0:06:02.800 and so far, it's. 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:03.960 Honestly been unpredictable. 0:06:04.000 --> 0:06:06.160 I can't think of a single thing that's actually been 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:11.000 consistent this entire season. So it's really hard to evaluate 0:06:11.040 --> 0:06:13.599 them on every week as a whole. That we could 0:06:13.600 --> 0:06:15.039 go back to this last game that we just saw 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:17.840 and talk about how disappointed we are in just about 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.440 everything except for Brandon Aubrey. But I definitely expected at 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:26.680 least some consistency in some sense, especially as much as 0:06:26.720 --> 0:06:30.919 Mike McCarthy emphasizes things like complimentary football and everything that 0:06:30.960 --> 0:06:33.000 he said about, you know, wanting to work on the 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:36.400 run game and just going into the season knowing Okay, 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:39.760 our biggest problems for the Cowboys are their ability to 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:42.120 stop the run and to run the ball, And I'm 0:06:42.160 --> 0:06:44.960 just like, Okay, that's like football basics, So they're going 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.960 to get better at that, right And even with the inconsistencies, 0:06:48.960 --> 0:06:51.080 it feels like in that area not so much. So 0:06:51.680 --> 0:06:55.080 I'm hoping during the bye week that something happens. I 0:06:55.120 --> 0:06:56.960 know Dak said that he was going to lick at 0:06:57.000 --> 0:06:58.640 things that they could do to work on. I'm like, 0:06:58.680 --> 0:07:00.640 I don't know what that means, because you're a quarterback, 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.200 not a coach last time I checked. But like I 0:07:03.760 --> 0:07:05.840 I'm trying to be optimistic and just wait and see 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.120 what happens when they come back. Maybe that game was 0:07:08.160 --> 0:07:10.720 like the reality check a lot of people needed, and 0:07:10.720 --> 0:07:12.240 they'll come back as a totally different team. 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:15.720 You could have that was great. You could have really 0:07:15.800 --> 0:07:20.640 just summed up the whole thing by saying the part 0:07:20.680 --> 0:07:23.880 where you said everything but our kicker. Whenever your kicker 0:07:24.000 --> 0:07:26.800 is the strongest thing that you can talk about, then 0:07:26.920 --> 0:07:29.080 you know the team is in complete disarray. 0:07:29.200 --> 0:07:31.360 Yeah, he's like got a record now for like most 0:07:31.440 --> 0:07:35.480 consecutive field goals, and I'm like, that's not really the 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.800 flex that we really want this season. 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.160 When you're talking about your kicker, it is the high 0:07:40.160 --> 0:07:42.600 point of the season so far. That's not a great thing. 0:07:42.680 --> 0:07:45.080 So better than the punter, I guess. 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.520 Yeah, I guess. So it could be a little worse 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:48.520 or your deep snap deep say deep snapper, if he 0:07:48.600 --> 0:07:48.960 wasn't the. 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.480 Kicker that he is, it would be the punter with 0:07:50.600 --> 0:07:51.320 some record. 0:07:51.400 --> 0:07:52.760 It probably would be. So what about you? 0:07:52.840 --> 0:07:54.240 No time to give trend Sek his flowers? 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.640 Honestly, honestly, he needs to get that Pro Bowl node 0:07:56.960 --> 0:07:59.560 for me whatever, I was looking at the twenty twenty 0:07:59.600 --> 0:08:02.440 three season and as a holistic approach, you know, looking 0:08:02.520 --> 0:08:04.720 at and being poor Beam. He's heard the same point 0:08:04.760 --> 0:08:07.400 from me one hundred million times on the brink. This 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:10.080 team was not tough in twenty twenty three. It lacked toughness, 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:13.320 It lacked physicality. You saw losses against the Bills, the Cardinals, 0:08:13.320 --> 0:08:15.160 the forty nine Ers, the Packers. There was a common 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.040 theme with all of them in the sense that they 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:19.200 were getting blown off the line, they were getting thrown 0:08:19.240 --> 0:08:21.520 off rhythm and timing in the secondary, and it was 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.920 just they were overmatched physically. You come into this season 0:08:26.000 --> 0:08:28.600 and honestly, I expected that to increase a little bit, 0:08:28.920 --> 0:08:31.280 like to your point, getting Mike Zimmer into the building, 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:34.520 bringing in a guy like Eric Kendricks, you know, focusing 0:08:34.559 --> 0:08:36.679 in on what DeMarcus Lawrence had kind of said over 0:08:36.679 --> 0:08:39.920 the offseason about wanting to be a more physical team. 0:08:40.160 --> 0:08:41.920 And then we see that out on the field in 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:45.080 these first three games against the Browns, Saints and then 0:08:45.080 --> 0:08:49.359 the Ravens, and the physicality and the toughness somehow decreased. 0:08:49.520 --> 0:08:52.280 And then you look on the offensive side of the ball. Yes, 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.960 you lose Tyron Smith, but and you have two rookies 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.760 starting up front, but there is no reason why in 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:00.079 some of these games that they are being outmatched as 0:09:00.000 --> 0:09:01.160 a physically as they are. 0:09:01.440 --> 0:09:03.240 And then it all just kind of came. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:05.240 Crashing down against the Lions, and you saw all of 0:09:05.280 --> 0:09:10.120 those problems really just kind of supersede. And it was 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:12.080 a microcosm of what this team has been over the 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:15.000 course of the last two years. Not a physical football team, 0:09:15.200 --> 0:09:18.040 not tough, and in this game specifically, not disciplined, and 0:09:18.040 --> 0:09:20.560 we've seen that come about over and over and over again. 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.880 I came into the season understanding that the ceiling the 0:09:23.960 --> 0:09:26.320 expectations the ceiling for this team was a lot lower 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.440 than it was in twenty twenty three, but I still 0:09:29.520 --> 0:09:31.920 expected that ceiling to be they will be among the 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.320 NFC contenders. They'll have a shot right at the end 0:09:34.520 --> 0:09:37.360 to make the NFC Championship. Whereas last year, I thought 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:39.040 their ceiling was to be able to get to a 0:09:39.080 --> 0:09:40.920 Super Bowl. I think everyone believed that going into the 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:42.920 year and even going into the playoffs. Last year, I 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:44.199 think some people would tell you, Hey, there was a 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:45.640 shot for this team to make the Super Bowl if 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:47.600 things fell right, and they did fall right, they wouldn't 0:09:47.600 --> 0:09:49.320 have had to go to San Francisco until the NFC 0:09:49.400 --> 0:09:50.079 Championship game. 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.480 But that's neither here nor there. Looking at twenty twenty four. 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:56.080 I thought the expectation would be, Hey, the ceiling for 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.480 this team is to make an NFC Championship. I'm looking 0:09:58.520 --> 0:10:00.160 at it now, and I think the ceiling for this 0:10:00.200 --> 0:10:02.240 team is just to make the playoffs. I think right 0:10:02.240 --> 0:10:03.839 now I'm firmly looking at it. Eight to nine or 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:05.120 nine and eight squad by the end of the. 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.680 Year, in any win in their future in the playoffs, 0:10:08.679 --> 0:10:10.959 if they get there, I don't, Yeah, why I'm done. 0:10:11.000 --> 0:10:13.360 I don't believe so. I don't believe so, but you, Josh, 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:16.360 I think that's a fair assessment. At least my expectations 0:10:16.400 --> 0:10:18.720 coming into the season. I definitely thought that we were 0:10:18.720 --> 0:10:20.400 going to struggle in the first half. I thought it 0:10:20.440 --> 0:10:22.880 was going to be a struggle getting used to Mike 0:10:22.960 --> 0:10:25.000 Zimmer's defense, especially the fact that you don't have the 0:10:25.040 --> 0:10:28.679 personnel for a Mike Zimmer defense. It wasn't a plug 0:10:28.720 --> 0:10:30.840 and play situation when it came to Mike Zimmer. These 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.360 guys were gonna have to learn it on the fly. 0:10:32.800 --> 0:10:34.360 The fact that you had all of these injuries on 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.480 top of that, Not to give any excuses at all, 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:38.800 because all of the same issues that we had from 0:10:38.880 --> 0:10:41.959 last year are now exacerbated. You can't beat good teams. 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.880 You're not winning. You're no longer winning at home on 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:48.560 the road is sus You got away with a win 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.800 in Pittsburgh, and now, at least looking at it, like 0:10:52.080 --> 0:10:54.719 Harris just said, you're not a physical football team. You're 0:10:54.760 --> 0:10:57.720 not going to grit your way to a win Pittsburgh. Notwithstanding, 0:10:57.760 --> 0:10:59.400 I don't understand how we got out of that with 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:01.960 a win. I think they just stopped running the ball 0:11:02.000 --> 0:11:04.959 for whatever inexplicable reason, and we happen to get that win, 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:08.160 but I expected a struggle up until the bye week. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:10.040 After the bye week, I was like, Okay, this is 0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:12.200 a get right time. And granted we're still three and 0:11:12.280 --> 0:11:14.680 three right now, but I did not expect any of 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.640 the losses in the first half of the season to 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:21.440 be as dramatic as they've been. We've just looked horrendous 0:11:22.000 --> 0:11:26.360 at home. It's really disheartening. However, you have people coming back. 0:11:26.400 --> 0:11:28.560 You have Michael coming back, you have DeMarcus Lawrence coming back. 0:11:28.600 --> 0:11:30.880 They're not season ending injuries by any means. And you 0:11:30.920 --> 0:11:32.800 have to Ron Bland on the horizon too, who almost 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.160 went in this game, and I think they sort of 0:11:35.160 --> 0:11:36.800 were like, all right, we need to take a step back. 0:11:37.600 --> 0:11:39.760 This game is not looking good on all fronts. You 0:11:39.840 --> 0:11:42.360 have one of the scariest running tandems in the league 0:11:43.160 --> 0:11:45.320 coming to a t T stadium and it's not going 0:11:45.360 --> 0:11:46.880 to be fun. We don't know how to stop the 0:11:46.960 --> 0:11:51.160 run at all, So to me, it's sort of power 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:54.240 for the course. However, I'm did not expect the losses 0:11:54.280 --> 0:11:55.800 to be as bad as they were. I expected a 0:11:55.840 --> 0:11:59.480 losing record by this time in the season. Now, looking 0:11:59.480 --> 0:12:02.119 at the rest of the season, you look at the Falcons, 0:12:02.200 --> 0:12:05.480 you look at the Texans, the Commanders, even it's like, Okay, 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:10.040 this is not as downhill as I thought it was 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.920 going to be. And you have some really tough teams 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:16.040 ahead of you that are literally tough, whereas we are 0:12:16.120 --> 0:12:18.079 kind of looking for that. And I don't think there 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:20.040 is an identity on this team. We've talked about this 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:23.600 on Talking Cowboys, of course, but what can you really 0:12:23.640 --> 0:12:24.000 point to? 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:28.319 Unfortunately, I think there is, and it's that they're soft. Unfortunately, 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:30.040 use that word lightly, my friend. I know, I know, 0:12:30.120 --> 0:12:32.760 and that was that was told. Unfortunately, I think that 0:12:32.880 --> 0:12:34.760 is the identity that's being created around this team. 0:12:34.800 --> 0:12:38.520 But yeah, yeah, I think one of your points is 0:12:38.679 --> 0:12:42.079 you could see this team before the season started being 0:12:42.440 --> 0:12:46.800 have a losing record. You're at five hundred, but you 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:50.280 would almost I mean, you feel bad about that five hundred. 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.200 It's not a positive five hundred. It's like we're very 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:54.760 lucky to be five hundred. 0:12:54.960 --> 0:12:57.720 If the Steelers had a better game plan, they would 0:12:57.880 --> 0:13:01.120 they should have won that game. We'd looked, we genuinely 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.319 looked so bad. If they would have just kept running 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:06.400 the ball. I think that's a different story. But you 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:08.400 know you are what your record says you are, right. 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:11.000 Don't ask a question, No, you can't ask questions. 0:13:12.160 --> 0:13:14.520 Of course, I kind of want to dive into this 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:18.360 word soft, like when you say that, what do you 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:19.920 what do you mean by soft? Because I feel like 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.480 that could refer to a few different things, like physically. 0:13:22.559 --> 0:13:25.240 Obviously people have been talking about the mistackles, but then 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.240 I was also thinking about the fact that we all 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:30.280 mentioned things that were happening last year that either didn't 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:32.520 improve or got worse this year, And so it kind 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:34.120 of makes me wonder when people are using that word, 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:36.640 is it also like a mental thing where when they 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:39.040 talk about how mentally tucked they are and resilient and 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.240 all this work that they do over the off season 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:45.400 for like emotional improvement and ways to mentally approach the game, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.160 is it maybe not working or not having the desired effect? 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:49.880 What are you thinking of when you use that word? 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:51.680 Yeah, I just want to see it translated to the field. 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.160 And in these games where the Cowboys have gotten in 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:57.960 these early deficits, they have not been able to claw back. 0:13:58.280 --> 0:14:00.880 And the entire time that Mike McCarthy has been head coached, 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:04.800 they've only overcome two double digit deficits only twice, and 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:07.640 only once since the twenty twenty season. There was one 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:09.200 game in the twenty twenty season where they were able 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:10.440 to make up some ground, but it was in a 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.439 game where both backup units were playing. So really, in 0:14:13.800 --> 0:14:16.840 essence one time, that speaks some mental toughness being able 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:18.680 to overcome early deficits. And so when you look at 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.440 the Detroit game and you're down ten three, seventeen to 0:14:21.440 --> 0:14:24.040 three right there in the early beginnings, Hey, I can 0:14:24.080 --> 0:14:26.120 go ahead and start writing this story, you know, because 0:14:26.120 --> 0:14:28.960 it's we haven't seen this team be able to overcome 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:32.480 those challenges. And even in Green Bay Againstkreem Bay last year, 0:14:32.480 --> 0:14:34.360 once it got to twenty one three, we're all looking 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:35.600 around like, dang, this is over. 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:38.280 So I just want to see it translated. 0:14:38.280 --> 0:14:39.480 Do I think that some of these guys in the 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:42.640 locker room are mentally and or physically tough, Absolutely, But 0:14:42.720 --> 0:14:44.480 I don't think as a unit that they are, And 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.560 I think it needs to be translated. In two games, 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:49.160 we haven't seen that happen yet. 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.640 Breaking news real quick before you get back into that. 0:14:51.840 --> 0:14:52.080 Wow. 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:56.560 Yes, Former Cowboy Amari Cooper has been traded to the 0:14:56.600 --> 0:15:00.400 Buffalo Bills. Reports say, thanks Chris for the breaking news. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:03.760 And I think Nick, that goes back several years. What 0:15:03.880 --> 0:15:06.320 it means to me is, I think of this one. 0:15:06.640 --> 0:15:08.800 I don't remember the game. It was I think three 0:15:08.880 --> 0:15:12.960 years ago and maybe four years ago now, Beam you 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.800 may remember. And the backup quarterback was in I believe 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:17.840 it was in I want to say we were playing 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:20.800 Cleveland or someone like that, and he just got murdered. 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:23.440 He slid and a guy came in high hit him 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.880 with a forearm, and not one offensive lineman went over 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:30.200 there to even help him up, like the man could 0:15:30.200 --> 0:15:32.760 have was Andy Dalton. Yeah it was Andy Dalton. And 0:15:33.040 --> 0:15:34.400 to me that's. 0:15:34.200 --> 0:15:37.240 Been It was the Washington game by the Washington Yeah 0:15:37.240 --> 0:15:40.560 it was Washington. Like your offensive lineman should have been 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:44.040 over there getting fifteen yard penalties left and right, defending 0:15:44.040 --> 0:15:45.880 the even though he's the backup. 0:15:45.600 --> 0:15:48.440 Right, like taking up for your your your teammate doing. 0:15:48.520 --> 0:15:52.040 And I see some signs of dog on this team, 0:15:52.320 --> 0:15:55.880 Jordan Lewis, you know, I think Smith, I think Demarian's 0:15:55.920 --> 0:15:59.040 got some of that. But I also see some guys 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.360 that are just like they almost seem like they're over it. 0:16:01.520 --> 0:16:03.520 You know. It's almost like that this is what we do. 0:16:03.600 --> 0:16:07.800 We show up and then there's no ramifications for not 0:16:08.160 --> 0:16:11.000 doing your job and missing tackles and not sticking your 0:16:11.080 --> 0:16:12.680 nose in there and things like that. And I think 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:15.960 that's contagious. And I think when when there's no you know, 0:16:16.040 --> 0:16:20.360 when you're you're supposedly leaders. And I'm not pointing specific names, 0:16:20.360 --> 0:16:22.640 but I think it's a you get that feel as 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:23.600 the team as a whole. 0:16:23.600 --> 0:16:25.120 It's miscrocosm of all of that. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.160 Yeah, like you look at the lines and you know 0:16:27.240 --> 0:16:29.600 you're gonna get hit, even the offensive line, you're gonna 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:32.360 get manhandled. Even when we had really good offensive lines, 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.400 you didn't feel like there was Lyell he was a maler, Right, 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:38.320 you just don't. That's what I say whenever you see 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.360 and you're right. It can mean a lot of different things, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.080 but I think of just to me, it's a mentality 0:16:43.120 --> 0:16:44.800 of like, you're not going to push us around, and 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.280 when you do, you know you're gonna we're gonna push back. 0:16:48.320 --> 0:16:49.560 And there's not a lot of that to me. 0:16:50.160 --> 0:16:52.200 Yeah, I don't like to use the word soft, but 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:54.720 like yesterday I was driving around and the word that 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:58.000 I did think of I think would actually align with 0:16:58.040 --> 0:17:02.120 what y'all are saying, which was it I went back 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:04.040 to win. After the Green Bay game, they were called 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.560 front runners because I just kept thinking about the fact 0:17:06.560 --> 0:17:09.239 that it's like, Okay, they got down early, right, but 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:12.560 they still had opportunities, at least in terms of time 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:14.960 to come back and do something. Had they kind of 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.119 gotten it together and been like, all right, we didn't 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.280 start well, but like, let's let's rite the ship now. 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.720 But it felt like they just gave up so early. 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:27.080 I felt like, right, the ship, oh the shipka like 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:33.240 with the sale. 0:17:33.400 --> 0:17:34.240 Yes, fix it. 0:17:35.280 --> 0:17:37.880 But it felt like they gave up so early, and 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.040