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Speaker 2: For today's episode, I am chatting with Yogi Jessamine Stanley.

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Speaker 2: I'm so excited for this conversation. I've wanted to have

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Speaker 2: In our conversation today, Justaman talks about her journey to

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Speaker 2: Yoga of Self Acceptance, every Body Yoga, Let Go of Fear,

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Speaker 3: Today.

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Speaker 3: How are you doing today?

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Speaker 5: I'm doing good?

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Speaker 3: It's like, I'm good, I'm good, you good, you good?

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Speaker 2: obviously watched your recent Gatorade commercial. Congratulations so exciting to

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Speaker 5: I just people say mean things and it rolls off

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Speaker 2: And I think it can be both, right, Like, you

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Speaker 2: Ultimately, it hurts my heart that sentiment, that sentiment that

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Speaker 2: The thing about impostor syndrome is it's never like you

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Speaker 1: in the class, maybe around the same time that I

438
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Speaker 1: left the first time, when I was like, so, are

439
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Speaker 1: you just gonna sit here and talk about yourself through

440
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Speaker 1: the whole class?

441
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Speaker 3: Or are you going to try?

442
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Speaker 1: Because you could just try and like maybe you'll fall

443
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Speaker 1: down and maybe everyone is going to see that you

444
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing, and like maybe you'll pass

445
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,439
Speaker 1: out and then you'll it'll like you won't even have

446
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Speaker 1: to be here.

447
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Speaker 3: I don't know whatever.

448
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: I was in this place of like I just want

449
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Speaker 1: to I'm just gonna try, and what's the worst that

450
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Speaker 1: could happen. And what I noticed was that when I

451
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Speaker 1: decided to just try that yoga mat was not the

452
00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:22,680
Speaker 1: only place where I needed to hear that. There were

453
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:24,840
Speaker 1: so many other parts of my life where I never

454
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Speaker 1: even gave myself the chance to fail. I would say

455
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Speaker 1: I'm not good enough, I shouldn't even try it. Like

456
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Speaker 1: I in the yoga class, I was literally like not

457
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 1: going into the postures because I would look over at

458
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Speaker 1: the people next to me and just be like, I

459
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:39,840
Speaker 1: can't do that if they and everyone can see that

460
00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 1: I can't do it. And I thought like, where in

461
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Speaker 1: my life, in my work at school, in my relationships,

462
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Speaker 1: where am I not even trying? And it really shifted

463
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Speaker 1: so much from me. And so the reason now that

464
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Speaker 1: I returned to my yoga practice is not really because

465
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Speaker 1: of the well the exercise is great, and being able

466
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: to get connect my body to my mind and my

467
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Speaker 1: spirit is really incredible, But this very specific space of

468
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 1: pushing me beyond who I decided I was being able

469
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Speaker 1: to see myself clearly and without judgment and shame.

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Speaker 5: That is really why I continue to practice.

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Speaker 1: And I think of yoga as my medicine very much,

472
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Speaker 1: and it's something that I just have to maintain as

473
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Speaker 1: I go through the waves of life. And Yeah, one

474
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Speaker 1: other piece of this, I think is this idea of

475
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Speaker 1: change and like not wanting to change, and yoga makes

476
00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:46,959
Speaker 1: it very clear that in life there will be change

477
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,800
Speaker 1: and it's okay, and you can just you can know

478
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Speaker 1: that and you can just.

479
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Speaker 5: Go with it.

480
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Speaker 3: Just go with that, Just go with it.

481
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Speaker 2: I really adore the mindset that you went into it with,

482
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 2: basically with basically, what's the worst that could happen? Knowing

483
00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,520
Speaker 2: that literally the worst thing that could happen is that

484
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: you will be exactly where you started. And there is

485
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Speaker 2: just so much fear surrounding being a quote unquote failure.

486
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Speaker 2: But if there's one thing that is for certain, as

487
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Speaker 2: you articulated so beautifully, it's that we learned from those

488
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Speaker 2: failures so that we can move forward with that understanding

489
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Speaker 2: and try again. Fast forward a few years, and you're

490
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Speaker 2: really developing an intense relationship with yoga, so much so

491
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Speaker 2: that you start to pursue it in a whole new way.

492
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 2: When did yoga transition from simply a hobby to something

493
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Speaker 2: that you wanted to share with others? Oh?

494
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Speaker 1: My god, Well, I can't overstate how much I didn't

495
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Speaker 1: want to share with others, like, Okay, well that's not

496
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Speaker 1: entirely true. What I'll say is that I had been

497
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Speaker 1: practicing yoga in studios and I it gave me so

498
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: much confidence to I was in graduate school. I left

499
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Speaker 1: graduate school, I moved to a new town, and when

500
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Speaker 1: I moved to Durham, where from Winston Salem, North Carolina,

501
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,480
Speaker 1: I did not have the money to practice yoga in studios,

502
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Speaker 1: and so I stopped practicing for a short period of time.

503
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Speaker 1: And during that time, a bunch of stuff happened, most notably,

504
00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: my aunt passed away really unexpectedly, and it just sent

505
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 1: me into the spiral of depression. And I was like,

506
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,359
Speaker 1: what was making me feel good before yoga? Okay, well,

507
00:27:21,760 --> 00:27:23,680
Speaker 1: I just got to start. I gotta find a way

508
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:26,200
Speaker 1: to do this for free. And I had my dad's

509
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: old pilates Matt, and my partner and I were living

510
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 1: in this like very tiny apartment, and I would just

511
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 1: push all the furniture out of one corner of the apartment,

512
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: roll out that pilates Mat, and like just practice the

513
00:27:37,080 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 1: pastures from the Beacomb sequence that I could remember and

514
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: that I felt comfortable doing on my own. And over time,

515
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 1: I started photographing my practice because I wanted to track

516
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:52,680
Speaker 1: my progress over time, and I started sharing it on Instagram.

517
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,879
Speaker 1: And this was before Instagram was like really really popular,

518
00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,159
Speaker 1: but there were some yoga people on there, and for

519
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: the most part, people were just like giving each other

520
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: feedback about how to practice. And I wanted to feel

521
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 1: like I was a part of that community because it's

522
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: very isolating to practice yoga at home by yourself. But

523
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: I in the process of sharing my photos on Instagram,

524
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: I had people be like, I didn't know that fat

525
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: people could practice yoga, and I was just like, why

526
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,440
Speaker 1: do you think fat people can't practice yoga? Fat people

527
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: do all kinds of things all the time. Obviously, we

528
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 1: just have a visibility issue. So I started sharing more

529
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: and through that people would ask me to come teach them,

530
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, you don't need for me to

531
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 1: come teach you yoga. Literally, there are thousands of yoga

532
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,680
Speaker 1: teachers like I would recommend teachers, recommend platforms, and eventually

533
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: it just became really clear that I needed to go

534
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 1: to training. And when I went to training, I went

535
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:46,360
Speaker 1: in thinking like, Okay, literally, I'm just going to try

536
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: to teach everyone who has asked me to teach them,

537
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna move on with my life because

538
00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 1: I don't. It just wasn't a goal of mine. And

539
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 1: the more that I've taught, and the more that I

540
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: teach around the world, and since launching my yoga community,

541
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 1: The Underbelly, and since writing books, and it just really

542
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,880
Speaker 1: is very clear to me the way that just being

543
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,560
Speaker 1: yourself can positively impact other human beings. Just that we

544
00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: all just want to see other people being true and

545
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: then that inspires us to be ourselves. And that it's

546
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: not even for me really about like it's not like

547
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: I think everyone should practice yoga, Like yoga's great, but

548
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's for everybody. I do think

549
00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: that there is there are practices that are helpful for

550
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: each of us. And I think that it is helpful,

551
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 1: especially as a fat person, to see other fat people

552
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: moving their bodies around, because it makes you feel like

553
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: it's okay to be yourself. But I think for me,

554
00:29:55,560 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: what really made me keep sharing and community is that

555
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: it is just nice for us to know that there's

556
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:14,640
Speaker 1: someone out there who is also goofy, who also makes mistakes,

557
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,960
Speaker 1: who falls down, who farts during yoga class, who cusses

558
00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 1: during yoga class, who has said the dark thing, who

559
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 1: has done the worst thing, someone who has hurt another

560
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: human being and live to tell the tale and wants

561
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: to hear your tale. And yeah, but I just really

562
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: like I never aspired to be a yoga teacher. I

563
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 1: didn't care about it. And I think that there is

564
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: a little part of me that's like really.

565
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,880
Speaker 3: Still, okay, you know this is where we ended up.

566
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like, sure, okay.

567
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,239
Speaker 2: I love the embrace of the pivot. What did you

568
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 2: want to do for a career originally.

569
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: Well, my undergrad degree is in film and video production,

570
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: and my graduate work is in nonprofit arts management. And honestly,

571
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: what I do for a living as a content creator,

572
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: as a entrepreneur, as a believer in humanity, and as

573
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 1: a humanitarian, I think that is what I studied actually,

574
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 1: But it's just very interesting. I think in life, like

575
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,719
Speaker 1: you don't know, it's like you go to school for something,

576
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: if you go to school, if you go to school

577
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,360
Speaker 1: for something, or you like go down a career path

578
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 1: and you decide like this is who I am, this

579
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: is what I'm gonna do, And then if you ever

580
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: pivot or you need to do something different. Then you're like,

581
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 1: how did I get here? Like what is this about?

582
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: But if you go back and look, it was always

583
00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: leading there. There was something that was leading there and

584
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 1: for you exactly. And I think that it's just I

585
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: didn't know what it would look like. But ultimately I

586
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: think this is what I've always wanted.

587
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's really beautiful that you gave yourself the grace

588
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 2: to kind of feel out and let it happen as

589
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 2: it came right. And I would be remiss if I

590
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,920
Speaker 2: didn't go back to click on the point of you

591
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 2: saying I didn't have the money to practice yoga anymore,

592
00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: but still finding a way to make it work for

593
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 2: you as well.

594
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit about access. Oh my god,

595
00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:22,720
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

596
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just it's really hard because I think that

597
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:31,840
Speaker 1: we we get to this place of feeling like there's

598
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: a way that it's supposed to look like that you're

599
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 1: supposed to go to the studio, wear the outfit, have

600
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: the mat, do and follow the rubric and ultimately, if

601
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: you're in crisis, you need to be able to do

602
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 1: the practice. Whatever the practice is. Maybe it's running, maybe

603
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: it's yoga, maybe it's swimming. Whatever the thing is, you

604
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: need to be able to do it without the trappings,

605
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: and you need to be able to do it in

606
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: the carpool line. You need to be able to do

607
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: it the hospital. You need to be able to do

608
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 1: it in prison. And I think that for me, there's

609
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 1: a place that.

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00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 3: I it's just.

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking about access a lot, because as a with

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00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: the Underbelly you can subscribe to the Underbelly app. You

613
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: can find us on YouTube for free, you can find

614
00:33:24,200 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 1: us on Instagram, TikTok, all these different platforms, but all

615
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: of that requires access to digital resources. You have to

616
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,800
Speaker 1: be able to get on the internet. And when we teach,

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00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 1: when we do live classes, you know there's some sort

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00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: of fee. Sometimes we can do it for free. When

619
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Speaker 1: I first started teaching yoga, I taught pay what you

620
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: can yoga classes and it was legit, Like I just

621
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,880
Speaker 1: rolled up in this park my mat and people would

622
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 1: just roll up and they brought whatever they had. I

623
00:33:52,120 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: remember people paying me in strawberries. There was somebody who

624
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,240
Speaker 1: a couple they brought like a big beach blanket and

625
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: that was their yoga map that they shared to other

626
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Speaker 1: And it was just like the most incredible experience, and

627
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:06,920
Speaker 1: I think that spaces like that, where we're not focused

628
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,520
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Speaker 3: And they're fewer and farther between.

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Speaker 2: Right. You brought up a great point, which is it's

662
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Speaker 2: not just like okay, yes, maybe I have the means

663
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Speaker 2: to go to a yoga class. First of all, the

664
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Speaker 2: question arises if you want to go in person? Are

665
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Speaker 2: there even studios where you live that are geographically available

666
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Speaker 2: to you? But then beyond that, what you said about

667
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Speaker 2: do I have the right clothes? Do I have the

668
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Speaker 2: right gear? Do do I have the right quote unquote? Look,

669
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Speaker 2: so many things that are associated with finances, right that

670
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Speaker 2: could be a hurdle to someone who just wants to

671
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Speaker 2: be in the room. I would be remiss if I

672
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Speaker 2: didn't recognize even my privilege to not even think about

673
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Speaker 2: the fact that I have enough yoga clothing or fitness

674
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Speaker 2: clothing to outfit a small country if they showed up here.

675
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Speaker 1: And it's just so interesting because ultimately, you don't need

676
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Speaker 1: anything to do this practice. You don't need that you

677
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,680
Speaker 1: don't it's better without clothes, honestly, Like just to be

678
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Speaker 1: able to be with yourself is the most important thing.

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Speaker 2: You know, because you teed this up that I'm going

680
00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: to talk to you about. It's at or without clothes, honestly,

681
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: because this was something that became a little bit of

682
00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 2: a thing for you over the last couple of years.

683
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Speaker 2: Talk to me about doing yoga without clothes, empowering others

684
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Speaker 2: to do the same.

685
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Speaker 5: So, okay, here's the deal.

686
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Speaker 1: I no, I just I'm thinking about how a yoga

687
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Speaker 1: teacher friend of mine recently asked me, like, what's it

688
00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: like to practice yoga naked? And I didn't understand the

689
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,440
Speaker 1: question because she has been teaching and practicing yoga so

690
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Speaker 1: much longer than I have. And I was like, you've

691
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Speaker 1: never practiced yoga naked? And she was like, I've never

692
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: practiced yoga naked. I was just like Wow, I have

693
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:40,239
Speaker 1: only exclusively practiced yoga naked. I started sharing my yoga,

694
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Speaker 1: my naked yoga practice on OnlyFans, which you can go

695
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Speaker 1: to If you go to my website, you can find

696
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Speaker 1: naked yoga classes with me on OnlyFans. But I have

697
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,240
Speaker 1: been doing this as a personal practice since I started

698
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Speaker 1: practicing yoga, because when you wear clothes, it is very

699
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: challenging to actually feel what your body is doing, and

700
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Speaker 1: especially as a fat person, you have so much body dysmorphia.

701
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Speaker 1: And I mean I'm saying fat, but honestly, I think

702
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: that all of us have a lot of body dysmorphia

703
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,640
Speaker 1: where we're out of touch with what is actually happening anatomically.

704
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Speaker 1: And yes, there's all of these I can I'm a

705
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Speaker 1: double cancer, so I can go into all the different

706
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: emotions of like how you're going to connect with your

707
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Speaker 1: spirit more. But if we just get into the anatomical

708
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: nature of our skeleton, if you are naked, you can

709
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Speaker 1: move your flesh around in a way that allows you

710
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Speaker 1: to go much deeper into the postures.

711
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Speaker 3: And allows you to actually align in a way that

712
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Speaker 3: truly does align your body, mind and spirit.

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Speaker 1: So to me, practicing yoga naked is just a deeper

714
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: expansion of the practice. It's like using different kinds of props.

715
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Speaker 1: It's like it's like a megaprop But I think that

716
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 1: it is just so interesting to me the way that

717
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: we are. We live in a deeplytanical society, and so

718
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: there's a major clutching of pearls if you talk about

719
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Speaker 1: doing anything naked, but especially practicing yoga naked, which I

720
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Speaker 1: think already people are like, so what.

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Speaker 5: Is that again? Is it a religion or a fitness

722
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Speaker 5: in that relationship?

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Speaker 1: So I'm like, it's I think that it's really cool

724
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Speaker 1: to see the ways that people open to themselves.

725
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Speaker 3: That we are.

726
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Speaker 5: There's a.

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Speaker 1: There's a real beauty in being able to witness other

728
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 1: human beings open through this practice of practicing yoga naked.

729
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Speaker 1: And it's something that I didn't really aspire to or

730
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Speaker 1: like I wasn't thinking about, but it's something that has

731
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Speaker 1: been a really cool spot in my teaching practice.

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Speaker 3: For sure.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I've definitely stretched naked, but I don't

734
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Speaker 2: think that I've ever like taken my yoga matt out

735
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Speaker 2: and been like, you know what I'm about to do

736
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of yoga naked. What would you say has

737
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Speaker 2: been the highlight and the low light of dipping into

738
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Speaker 2: sharing that part of your practice.

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Speaker 5: M I okay.

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Speaker 1: I want to say one thing about what you just said,

741
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Speaker 1: which is, yeah, that I don't know that I was

742
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Speaker 1: ever like I'm gonna take off my clothes practice yoga naked.

743
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Speaker 3: It's very much like.

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Speaker 5: A shedding of the clothes. It's like I'm wearing so like.

745
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Speaker 3: I didn't expect that at all. I thought it was like, oh, no,

746
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,440
Speaker 3: I'm showing up, I'm naked, I'm going to do some yoga,

747
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 3: But it evolves into that.

748
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like because you're like, what happens is you're

749
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Speaker 1: wearing a sports bra, you're wearing your leggings. They're digging

750
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Speaker 1: into your body in ways that you're like, it's like

751
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Speaker 1: you're thinking more about your clothes than you are about

752
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: in practice. And this happens a lot in group classes,

753
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Speaker 1: Like you'll be out in a live class it's full

754
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,240
Speaker 1: of people and you're thinking about like, are my pants

755
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Speaker 1: in the right place? Is my bra hitt and right?

756
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 1: And like you're not thinking about downward facing dog at

757
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Speaker 1: that point. So for me, it's like if I'm at

758
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Speaker 1: home and there's nobody looking but the dog. Yeah, I'm

759
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:06,200
Speaker 1: taking my bra off actually, and I'm just gonna pull

760
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Speaker 1: my belly out of my leggings and I feel better

761
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Speaker 1: and maybe I'll.

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Speaker 3: Just take my leggings off actually, So it's.

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Speaker 1: Like a it's a shedding, it's a freeing as opposed

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Speaker 1: to a stepping in.

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Speaker 3: This was also sounding like strip yoga totally. It is

766
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Speaker 3: not not strip yoga. It's totally strip yoga. I'm glad

767
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Speaker 3: that you know that. Okay, okay, highlight low light, so

768
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Speaker 3: highlight low light.

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Speaker 1: So I think that the highlight is the community, truly,

770
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Speaker 1: because something that I really struggled with in sharing my

771
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 1: yoga practice on only fans specifically, is just the judgment

772
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Speaker 1: and shame that I have around sex work, around the

773
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Speaker 1: idea of being perceived as a sex worker, and what

774
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Speaker 1: does that mean. All of that is something that I mean,

775
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 1: that's a part of the low light, I would sure say,

776
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: for sure. But the highlight of it is seeing how

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00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 1: many people feel that way too, and that they have

778
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: felt ashamed and felt ashamed of being sexual beings and

779
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 1: feeling ashamed of their nudity, and that to even be

780
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 1: in a space it doesn't mean that they're like it's

781
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: free to subscribe to my only fancy.

782
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 5: You can go over and just.

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00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:18,960
Speaker 1: Like literally peruse but like the you can go over there,

784
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: you don't actually have to like buy any content, but

785
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: just to be in community with other people and say like, yeah,

786
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:30,439
Speaker 1: I'm weird and I my body looks like this, and

787
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna own it and I'm gonna stand in

788
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 1: the part that I was told to be ashamed of.

789
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Speaker 1: That to me is the most powerful kind of community

790
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,360
Speaker 1: because it builds something new in our society, like it's

791
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,480
Speaker 1: a spring of positive energy.

792
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Speaker 5: So that feels really good.

793
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 1: I would say the low light is definitely the judgment

794
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 1: and shame from other people, and it's really ultimately a

795
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: reflection of my own judgment and shame. So it's very

796
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,879
Speaker 1: cool to witness that and to say like, oh, huh,

797
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,080
Speaker 1: I didn't realize that I had such a low opinion

798
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Speaker 1: of myself.

799
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Speaker 2: Or my work.

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Speaker 5: That's really great to see. But I think that.

801
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:12,439
Speaker 1: It is something again with what we were talking about

802
00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: earlier about like being trolled, being receiving negative comments.

803
00:43:16,520 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 5: It's like, oh, this is the reason to do the work.

804
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 1: Ultimately, the reason is not to get an accolade, or

805
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: to get a gold star on my forehead and have

806
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: somebody say you did a good job. Essinn No, the

807
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: point is to move society forward, to be a part

808
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 1: of something bigger than myself, And so all of that

809
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: just feels like.

810
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Speaker 3: A strengthening, just strengthening. I like that. Now.

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Speaker 2: We talked at the very very top of this, I

812
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 2: asked you, how are you doing really? How would you

813
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Speaker 2: say that you are feeling in your body really lately?

814
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm so annoyed by how positive I sound.

815
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna sound in all of this just because like,

816
00:43:57,719 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: I really enjoy being melancholy, Like I'm a Fiona Apple girly,

817
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:05,879
Speaker 1: Like I like to be melancholy. But I'm just at

818
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: this place where it's like I'm just I'm doing my

819
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 1: practices every day a journal. Shit gets hard, I mean

820
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Speaker 1: challenging being a black entrepreneur in a primarily white industry,

821
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Speaker 1: and not even just like not just a black entrepreneur,

822
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Speaker 1: but being a fat entrepreneur in an industry that is

823
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:32,760
Speaker 1: so thin centric. It is a head trip every single

824
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Speaker 1: day just to even exist.

825
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Speaker 5: But there's this.

826
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: Delicious seat of power that comes from just standing in

827
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: all that and saying, yeah, this sucks. Actually it's parts

828
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:49,440
Speaker 1: of this that are really uncomfortable, and I think that

829
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:55,360
Speaker 1: there are really cool ways that actually, like leaning into

830
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Speaker 1: my nutrition, leaning into the stretching, like being I have

831
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:03,440
Speaker 1: thisoannelling practice where I literally it's just like brain dump,

832
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: word dump, like every thought that is running through my

833
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:08,400
Speaker 1: head that I can't let go of just write it

834
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:12,920
Speaker 1: down and just doing those practices and running that shit.

835
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Speaker 1: It's like it's very hard. Life is hard, I would say,

836
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 1: in my body is chaos, and at the exact same time,

837
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: that's what balances.

838
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Speaker 5: It's chaos.

839
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Speaker 2: The journaling practice you mentioned talk us through that aside

840
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 2: the fact that it includes a brain dump.

841
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 5: So it's like I have a journal that I carry everywhere.

842
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 1: I'm kind of obsessed with journaling, and I think it's

843
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 1: like one of my most important practices honestly. But and

844
00:45:42,520 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: I have journals for different things, but I have one

845
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: that I just keep with me like one hundred percent

846
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 1: of the time. And I use a mechanical pencil because

847
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:53,880
Speaker 1: I like to be able to erase, but and I

848
00:45:54,000 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: try to just let it be whatever, because you like,

849
00:45:57,120 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 1: sometimes when you're writing, you're like, I want to get

850
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: my handwriting, like I want to do it right, and

851
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: so there's this piece where it's like just let it

852
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,840
Speaker 1: flow out, whatever it is. But a lot of times

853
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:13,279
Speaker 1: my anxiety and my fear is just repeating ideas over

854
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:15,840
Speaker 1: and over again in my head, and so just to

855
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: write the idea down, it's like I just need to

856
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,040
Speaker 1: get this out of my head. And I do it

857
00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: on my phone too. My Google keep is so intense,

858
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 1: like there's just like it's just pages and pages and

859
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: pages of like random thoughts and like just letting that.

860
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: It's like it's a statement of truth. It's like, yes,

861
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Speaker 1: I feel this way, I am thinking this thing. I'm

862
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:37,880
Speaker 1: not trying not to think it. This is what I

863
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: am and who I am. And then when I write

864
00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,040
Speaker 1: it down, it's like, oh, I can let it go.

865
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Speaker 5: We're good now. I don't need to think about it

866
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Speaker 5: as much.

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Speaker 1: And it is the same thing that happens in meditation,

868
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:52,240
Speaker 1: where like there's because when I started meditating, I was like, Okay,

869
00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:54,320
Speaker 1: so I'm really bad at this first of all, because

870
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,200
Speaker 1: I have so many thoughts running through my head all

871
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Speaker 1: the time and I just can't let them go. And

872
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,360
Speaker 1: then after a while I was like, oh, this is

873
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: the place where I just think about all of my thoughts.

874
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 5: Okay, that's great.

875
00:47:05,080 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: So like when I'm meditating, I'll just be like, okay,

876
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: what is this thought?

877
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 5: Now this one?

878
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:13,240
Speaker 1: And then eventually you can't think about all your thoughts forever,

879
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: so you just let them go. And that's what the

880
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 1: journaling practice is.

881
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 3: Right, letting them go.

882
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,879
Speaker 2: For someone who relates to you in the notion that

883
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 2: they feel chaos within their body, maybe they're having a

884
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,160
Speaker 2: difficult time getting to a place where they can truly

885
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: feel as though they are accepting who they are where

886
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 2: they are, despite maybe wanting to be somewhere else.

887
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:42,040
Speaker 1: What do you tell them, Oh, my god, you are okay.

888
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: Everything that you're feeling perfect. You have been served something

889
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: that is perfectly sized.

890
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,280
Speaker 5: For you, and it sucks. It sucks.

891
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: Let it suck, like scream it if you need to, Like,

892
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't know who is going to be impacted by that.

893
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're gonna be screaming in your

894
00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: child's ear or life in your partner's year.

895
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on, but.

896
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 1: Say it, name it so that you can know who

897
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:12,240
Speaker 1: you are and stop shaming yourself for being complicated because

898
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 1: we all are and it's supposed to be this way.

899
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, you and I btw have a mutual history of

900
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 2: WeightWatchers slash WW slash whatever they're calling it these days.

901
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:25,760
Speaker 5: Totally.

902
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, Okay, I'm like excited to talk about

903
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: just like I didn't know what you're talking about this.

904
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:32,479
Speaker 3: That's great.

905
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, I lost seventy pounds back in college.

906
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:41,440
Speaker 2: I have kept most of it off, definitely. I mean

907
00:48:41,480 --> 00:48:44,399
Speaker 2: it's been fifteen sixteen. How old am I I've lost track,

908
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 2: It's been I'm thirty five now, so it's been a

909
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,439
Speaker 2: while since I went through a large weight loss. And

910
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,040
Speaker 2: I did it with the help of WW back in college.

911
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:53,960
Speaker 2: And when I said, just now, and the reason that

912
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,879
Speaker 2: I'm bringing this up is it's okay to be where

913
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,760
Speaker 2: you are, have grace and compassion and like be okay

914
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: with also wanting to maybe be somewhere else. And so

915
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 2: my head went to then when I was saying that

916
00:49:06,640 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 2: weight loss, which then went to the idea of knowing

917
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 2: that despite a zillion times now you mentioning being a

918
00:49:14,080 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 2: black fat yogi, that you also went through a period

919
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,720
Speaker 2: of time where you really did want to change your body.

920
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 5: Oh my god.

921
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 3: You know.

922
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is a multi layered thing. You are perfect,

923
00:49:26,160 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 1: and we literally need to talk about these shared experiences

924
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,200
Speaker 1: more later. But I feel like, just like at the top,

925
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 1: I feel like it's totally reasonable to want to change

926
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:37,919
Speaker 1: your life, to want to change your body, to do

927
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: and like go for it. This it's you only got

928
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: one life, enjoy lived it. So when I was in

929
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 1: college though, just to speak to your point, I was

930
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 1: obsessed with losing weight. It was like my one true

931
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: love was who I was going to be when I

932
00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:55,279
Speaker 1: could wear a size large at forever twenty one. I

933
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 1: was just like I need this in my life, and

934
00:49:57,680 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 1: like I would go. My friends we had like our

935
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: weight watchers coalition. We would like go, we wait in

936
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: on specific days. We had so many like things coalition.

937
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 1: I'm dead, Oh dude, it was a whole thing. And

938
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,600
Speaker 1: like we were also like shaming each other. I remember

939
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: there's this restaurant North Carolina called Bojangles. It's a fried

940
00:50:16,320 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: chicken restaurant. And one of our friends had a box

941
00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: from Bojangles in her trash one day and we like

942
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,239
Speaker 1: came over to hang out, and one of my other

943
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 1: friends was like, did you go to Bojangles and she

944
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: was like, no, no, no, I just got a cup

945
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: of water. And we're all looking at the box like

946
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 1: you totally didn't get.

947
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: A couple of water.

948
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna do it, right, But we're all just

949
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: like shaming each other in this really intense way. But

950
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:39,399
Speaker 1: I like we also, I have so much to say

951
00:50:39,400 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: about Wayans. But I that time in my life was

952
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:49,080
Speaker 1: really important and really helpful, and it just was shining

953
00:50:49,120 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: a light on my insecurities and a desire, a very

954
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:57,399
Speaker 1: deep desire to be something other than myself. And at

955
00:50:57,440 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: the exact same time, I loved meetings so much, and

956
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: I was just talking to my business partner and I

957
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: have been talking about like what it would be like

958
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: for us to have some element of community like that

959
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:11,760
Speaker 1: at the Underbelly where we can just talk about food,

960
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: you know, because I think that there's so much shame

961
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 1: that comes along with eating in general, and like just

962
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,239
Speaker 1: having a place where it's okay to talk about that. Like,

963
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: for whatever the reason, I would rather not get weighed

964
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: on a scale before I go, but like if I

965
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 1: can just be honest about it.

966
00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 5: Like it feels good on the spirit.

967
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 1: And so there's this piece just going back to this

968
00:51:36,080 --> 00:51:40,000
Speaker 1: idea of like changing that whether or not it's good

969
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: to want to change yourself. I just think that it's

970
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,719
Speaker 1: so important for us to evolve as human beings. And

971
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 1: like there's a million reasons my why you may need

972
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:52,439
Speaker 1: to evolve, like all sorts of health reasons, so many

973
00:51:52,440 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 1: different pieces of our lives that don't we don't need

974
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: to judge each other. And I think that ultimately it

975
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:00,279
Speaker 1: just always comes down to judgment and like and then

976
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:04,319
Speaker 1: comes down to are you judging yourself? So there's a

977
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 1: piece with like wanting to be different or like thinking

978
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,040
Speaker 1: that your body should be different. That it's like are

979
00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,720
Speaker 1: you judging yourself? Do you think that there's something wrong

980
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 1: with you? And there's also a piece with it where

981
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: it's like I just want to do something new, I

982
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 1: want a new haircut, I just want to I want

983
00:52:19,520 --> 00:52:20,560
Speaker 1: to be doing something different.

984
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:21,960
Speaker 5: And maybe that means you want to gain weight.

985
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,239
Speaker 1: Maybe it made you want to lose weight, Like it

986
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:28,160
Speaker 1: just really doesn't matter ultimately because it's your life and

987
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:29,120
Speaker 1: you just got to live it.

988
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I that what you said about like you have

989
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:35,120
Speaker 2: one life, how do you want to enjoy it?

990
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:35,600
Speaker 3: Right?

991
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 2: And you are the person that knows how you feel

992
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:43,160
Speaker 2: in your body. Right, So to your point, maybe you

993
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:44,879
Speaker 2: want to gain weight, maybe you want to lose weight,

994
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 2: whatever it is, are you enjoying the process?

995
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 3: Are you enjoying how you feel in your body?

996
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 2: Because we only have one chance to go through this journey,

997
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: so you might as well make it the best freaking journey.

998
00:52:59,160 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 3: That you can. Literally, and it'll look different for everyone.

999
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 3: And that's a why body for every reason.

1000
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:06,640
Speaker 5: And that's okay.

1001
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,560
Speaker 2: So to go back to what I said though about

1002
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 2: how you just continually, you know, reiterate black queer fat

1003
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 2: these days. I know in college you said you went

1004
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 2: through a period where you were like, I don't want

1005
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:21,360
Speaker 2: to be in this body anymore.

1006
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 3: Do you have thoughts like that still?

1007
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 5: Oh?

1008
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: Wow? Oh man?

1009
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 2: No?

1010
00:53:28,400 --> 00:53:29,279
Speaker 5: And what is so?

1011
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: I really appreciate that question because I think that even

1012
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 1: a year ago I might have had a different answer.

1013
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: I also think that people assume if you did, if

1014
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 2: you didn't, whatever it is, the perception is probably that

1015
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 2: you're just so embracing of everything that you.

1016
00:53:45,120 --> 00:53:46,960
Speaker 3: Have to offer. Totally.

1017
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: No, I just have been so self hating for such

1018
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, I spent the first firm two decades of

1019
00:53:55,880 --> 00:53:58,520
Speaker 1: my life thinking that there was something fundamentally wrong with me,

1020
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:04,440
Speaker 1: and then I a decade feeling like I don't really know,

1021
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:08,280
Speaker 1: and then I think, I just I think that age helps.

1022
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: I think that mortality and better understanding the brevity of

1023
00:54:12,160 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: life helps, like knowing that this life is so short

1024
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 1: and we all just came out of the same quarantine,

1025
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:23,759
Speaker 1: Like this life is so short and there's only so

1026
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:28,120
Speaker 1: much that you can control, and ultimately, this is the

1027
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 1: vessel I've been gifted and so it does it do

1028
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: it a do, and it's gonna change, and like there

1029
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,000
Speaker 1: are things that it does the I don't prefer. And

1030
00:54:39,080 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 1: that's a part of it too for me, is just

1031
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,920
Speaker 1: being able to say, yeah, I don't like that, or

1032
00:54:42,960 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 1: like I don't like this way that I am. That

1033
00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: leads to loving it. And love is not happiness. Love

1034
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: is just acceptance. It's just everything. So yeah, I mean

1035
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: I think that if, yeah, if you'd ask me that

1036
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: even a year ago or or maybe a few years ago,

1037
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:03,880
Speaker 1: I might have a different answer. But at this point

1038
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: I think that, and a piece of it too is

1039
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: owning all of those things. So like I say black,

1040
00:55:10,560 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: I say fat, I say queer, And it is to

1041
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 1: fully own those parts in myself that I have been

1042
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: taught to be ashamed of. Like I grew up in

1043
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 1: a predominantly white community, and even if I hadn't, we

1044
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:26,080
Speaker 1: live in a deeply anti black world and so being

1045
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 1: able to say I am black is very important.

1046
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 3: We live in a world that is so fat phobic.

1047
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 3: People are afraid.

1048
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:37,399
Speaker 1: People would are more afraid to hear that they are

1049
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 1: called fat than they are to be to have somebody

1050
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:44,560
Speaker 1: cuss them out. So like I feel like for me

1051
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 1: to say that I am fat is to own this

1052
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,319
Speaker 1: huge part of myself and being queer. I mean, like,

1053
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,560
Speaker 1: granted I came out when I was in high school.

1054
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:54,840
Speaker 5: It is something that.

1055
00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: I honestly think I had like a dream coming out scenario,

1056
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: but you know, growing up in the South, like definitely not.

1057
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 1: I did not grow up in the gay pride capital

1058
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 1: of the world. And like it, there's a piece of

1059
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: self shame that is just a rest so deep inside

1060
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: and it's like a it's like you roll your teeth

1061
00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 1: around in a feeling of being disgusted by yourself. And

1062
00:56:21,800 --> 00:56:26,319
Speaker 1: so to say I am queer, it's just to own

1063
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,280
Speaker 1: that and say yeah, I'm doing that, I'm I'm rolling

1064
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: that around in my mouth. Now, how can I really

1065
00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:35,759
Speaker 1: enjoy the flavor of it? How can I just be

1066
00:56:36,040 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 1: in it? And I think that all of that leads

1067
00:56:40,200 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: to being able to say like, yeah, I own this,

1068
00:56:44,000 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 1: this is this is my best, this is who I am.

1069
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 3: This is who I am.

1070
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,560
Speaker 2: Someone comes your Instagram page right now, they see the

1071
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: quote I love that leads to your bio here the

1072
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: Beyonce have yoga.

1073
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: That's a that's epic.

1074
00:56:58,800 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: It's also shape And I just want to like because

1075
00:57:01,560 --> 00:57:04,280
Speaker 1: I feel like if you say I'm the Beyonce of yoga,

1076
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 1: I feel like there's like because we all we love Beyonce,

1077
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 1: so like yes, but the thing the reason is because

1078
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,279
Speaker 1: Beyonce is a Virgo. I'm a she's a virgo son,

1079
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 1: I'm a virgo rising. There is a level of being

1080
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: anal and be like there's a level of being critical

1081
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: that makes it where the work is just so it's

1082
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 1: like we just got to do this like five six,

1083
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: seven eight, And that's the place where I'm like.

1084
00:57:31,880 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm the Beyonce of yoga.

1085
00:57:33,560 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 1: Like I'm very I'm very anal, very critical, but like yeah,

1086
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: it's it's a wonderful lineage to be a part of it.

1087
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 2: Is it's a lineage. They see you, You're the Beyonce

1088
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 2: of yoga. You're also now uh have, You're an author

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Speaker 2: with multiple books. You've got this massive following of over

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Speaker 2: you know, seven hundred thousand people between all of your

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Speaker 2: accounts for you, that's what they see.

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Speaker 3: But what do you see looking back in the mirror.

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Speaker 5: Growth presence. I don't see the numbers are really they feel.

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Speaker 1: More representative of other people who are showing up for themselves.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't really feel like it has anything to do

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Speaker 1: with me. And I think that.

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Speaker 5: There's a piece of it for me in teaching.

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Speaker 3: Yoga in general.

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Speaker 1: And I think all my work is teaching yoga, every platform,

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Speaker 1: all the different things. It's some version of yoga, and

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Speaker 1: I see it and I just feel like I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to be in community.

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Speaker 5: I wanted.

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Speaker 1: That's why I got on social media, was to be

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Speaker 1: a part of a community. And I think that life

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Speaker 1: humbles me one hundred percent of the time at all times,

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Speaker 1: so it's very easy to not really be that caught

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Speaker 1: up in the metrics of it. And I think that

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Speaker 1: I'm just grateful to have found the community.

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Speaker 3: That I was looking for.

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Speaker 2: If if yoga went away tomorrow and you couldn't do

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Speaker 2: yoga anymore, what would you do?

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Speaker 5: I'd start running.

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Speaker 3: I want to do that. Wow, I didn't expect that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, totally, Well, just because you got to do something.

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Speaker 1: I feel like for me, I'm the type of person

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00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,960
Speaker 1: where like my mind is moving a million miles a minute.

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00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm very much like I need. I like to pull

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Speaker 1: down into the moment. I like to get centered in

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Speaker 1: spiritual and I've always been very interested in running, and

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Speaker 1: I went through a period during my weight watcher's time.

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Speaker 1: I went through a time of being very interested in running,

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00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: and I read books of out distance running and I

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Speaker 1: just recently watched a masterclass about running. And it's more

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Speaker 1: interesting to me now as an entrepreneur because I feel

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Speaker 1: like the work of building a business is marathon running.

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Speaker 1: And so I just am really interested in that in

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Speaker 1: a practice, And it would still be yoga because yoga

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Speaker 1: is the balancing, it's all the different things. So I

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Speaker 1: feel like I have no interest in stopping a practice

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Speaker 1: of yoga. So I hope yoga doesn't go anywhere.

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Speaker 2: It's just funny to me that why I said that

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01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: surprising to me was truly rooted in the fact that

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Speaker 2: I guess I mentally was coming to that question from

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Speaker 2: like a business pov and you immediately went to, how

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Speaker 2: am I going to move my body?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, literally totally.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, it wasn't like, oh, I didn't think that

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Speaker 2: you could like run, It was like, oh, wow, Like

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Speaker 2: I love that that's where you took this question.

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Speaker 1: I didn't even think of from a business point of view,

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01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,640
Speaker 1: mainly because I think that something that has been so

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01:01:00,760 --> 01:01:03,880
Speaker 1: clear to me about the underbellies that it will just

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01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 1: need to exist however It exists, however small, however large,

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Speaker 1: because there are people who have been impacted by it

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Speaker 1: and they feel like and and I think about the

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Speaker 1: teachers that I connect with, their teachers that I've been

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Speaker 1: practicing online yoga with for over a decade at this point,

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Speaker 1: and like I think sometimes I'm like, oh my god,

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01:01:24,080 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: what would I do if yoga GLO didn't exists anymore?

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01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 1: In this one class that I've been taking for a

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01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: decade is not available? And it's like from that place,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I just want to make sure that

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Speaker 1: my resources are always available to whoever needs them. Will

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Speaker 1: follow the technology ar VR, whatever is needed, and I

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01:01:39,560 --> 01:01:46,200
Speaker 1: think that, like, it's just it's just good to be

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Speaker 1: in community.

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Speaker 3: It's good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you mentioned earlier a period of depression. What would

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Speaker 2: you say has been one of the most difficult components

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Speaker 2: to you being an entrepreneur.

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Speaker 5: I think that.

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Speaker 1: The most difficult part is knowing what you don't know,

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Speaker 1: knowing what I don't know, and being brave enough to

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01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:18,560
Speaker 1: say it, and being vulnerable and not allowing my desire

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01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:22,240
Speaker 1: to be the best or win or get the right

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01:02:22,320 --> 01:02:28,440
Speaker 1: answer get in the way of other people offering their brilliance,

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Speaker 1: and truly being in community with other people. It Brene

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Speaker 1: Brown is doing very important work. Everything that she says

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Speaker 1: about vulnerability, I'm like that that is true, friend, Yes,

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01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:46,200
Speaker 1: because just to be vulnerable like that, I think is

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Speaker 1: it's challenging.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she doesn't know it, but she's everyone's best friend. Literally.

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Speaker 3: I think she does know. I hope she knows. She

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Speaker 3: must know.

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Speaker 2: Oh, man, Jesmine, I'm so happy that we're able to

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Speaker 2: find that time to sit down and chat a little

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Speaker 2: bit today before you go, I ask this question to

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Speaker 2: every guest that comes on the show. Right now, you

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01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice

1181
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,160
Speaker 2: going through the hurdle moment, which was learning to embrace

1182
01:03:16,480 --> 01:03:19,280
Speaker 2: your body and show up on social media to be

1183
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:22,960
Speaker 2: in community, knowing what you had to offer the world

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01:03:23,000 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: despite it being hard. Knowing what you know now, what

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Speaker 2: advice do you offer to yourself at the beginning of

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01:03:30,080 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 2: that journey?

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Speaker 5: Go for it, don't stop, go for it. Fall down,

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01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:40,240
Speaker 5: go for it.

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Speaker 3: Fall down, go for it. We love it.

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Speaker 2: We love a resilient human. Thank you so much for

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Speaker 2: taking the time to hang out with me today. How

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Speaker 2: do the hurdlers follow along with you? How do they

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01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 2: keep up with you? Give us your details?

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. You can find me on social media

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01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: at My name is Jessmine and Jessmone is spelled j

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Speaker 1: e Ssam like monkey Ynn, like Nancy.

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Speaker 5: And you can find me on yoga.

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Speaker 1: You can find my yoga glasses at the underbelly dot com.

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Speaker 1: And you can find me on the bird website at

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Speaker 1: Jessamine Stam.

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Speaker 3: The Bird Website. We don't even know what it's called anymore.

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Speaker 2: I'm over on Instagram at Emily and Badi at Hurdle Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.