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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Greece. A beautiful young mom of

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Speaker 1: this beautiful young mom just on her way to drop

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Speaker 1: school drop off. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation

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Speaker 1: and Sirius XM one eleven. First of all, take a

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Speaker 1: listen to this Buffalo police telling us that a woman

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Speaker 1: They tell me the young mother was shot in her

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Speaker 1: Lawn in the City of Buffalo. Police officers in the

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Speaker 1: district actually pulled up on the location observed an incident

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Speaker 1: Police officers made an attempt to stop that vehicle. The

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Speaker 1: was a heavily congested area, traffic area. The vehicle, from

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Speaker 1: the information I have, got on the thirty three Expressway

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Speaker 1: the officers lost sight of the vehicle. They were able

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Speaker 1: to evade. What reasons? What reasons? Why do you lose

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Speaker 1: the killer. The cops are trying to catch the killer.

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Speaker 1: So before I go off on them at the pickup line,

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Speaker 1: So you've got this mom of three minding her own business,

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Speaker 1: along with the Buffalo Police Commissioner Joseph Grimalslia. Nothing he

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Speaker 1: just hearing our friends describing this with me an all

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Speaker 1: star panel to make sense of what we know right now.

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Speaker 1: But first I want to go to Emmy Award winning

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Speaker 1: reporter Investigative reporter Christy Missouri. Christie, thank you for being

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Speaker 1: with us. Explain to me. Where was Kiera when she

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Speaker 1: know that much. How close had she gotten to drop off?

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Speaker 1: What can you tell me? She's right in the residential

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Speaker 1: areas of public school. Just like schools across the country,

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Speaker 1: Christy Missouri. I don't know how often you are around

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Speaker 1: suspect the ECMC hospital both a medical and psychological evaluation.

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Speaker 1: Officers filed for a warrant for the suspect and advice

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Speaker 1: a victim to call the police if if he returned.

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Speaker 1: I hated everything. Chief Brian James Gould just said, I

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Speaker 1: hate everything. He just said. Okay, listen, she was push

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Speaker 1: repeatedly by her husband. But they're only going to charge

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Speaker 1: her with harassment. Did they not look at the video?

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Speaker 1: That is an aggravated assault. And aggassault is when you

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Speaker 1: hurt someone horribly, like you shoot them, you stab them.

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Speaker 1: An aggravated battery is an aggas salt where you actually

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Speaker 1: lose the use of pristans your arm, you have to

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Speaker 1: have your arm amputated, you have to have your eye

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Speaker 1: taken out, you lose a finger. All of that is

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Speaker 1: an aggravated battery. It doesn't have to be with a

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Speaker 1: kN eye for a machine gun or machette. I prosecuted

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Speaker 1: aggravated assaults with the lethal weapon being and if they

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Speaker 1: had taken the time to look at this video and

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Speaker 1: done the right thing. He would have been charged with

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Speaker 1: agassault instead of harassment. And listen to this, I mean,

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Speaker 1: did I hear something wrong, Christy Massurik. Dude to the

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Speaker 1: condition the suspect was in. He was taken to the

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Speaker 1: hospital for psychological evaluation after he hides in the bathroom,

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00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: locks himself in the bathroom like a little boy. Seriously,

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Speaker 1: and he gets to the hospital with a boxcutter, threatening

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Speaker 1: to kill himself. Oh oh, so he was holding himself hostage. Okay,

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Speaker 1: and then what did they say to Kiara? Hey, if

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Speaker 1: he comes back, Carlos, every one of them should be

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Speaker 1: fired right now, Christie, do I miss something? It's the timeline. Oh,

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Speaker 1: the initial beating takes place at seven thirty in the morning.

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Speaker 1: Cops are called. Yeah, he holds himself up, you know,

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Speaker 1: the beat or the abuser threatened to kill himself. They

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Speaker 1: remove him and take him to ECMC. A warrant is issued.

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Speaker 1: But in the time frame of that, she posted a

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Speaker 1: video on Facebook. Well wait a minute, they did see

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Speaker 1: the video. Take a listen again, our Cut eleven Chief

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Speaker 1: Brian James Gould. On Sunday night, the victim called police

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Speaker 1: because she thought somebody was in her home. Police responded

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Speaker 1: but did not locate anybody well. Speaking with the victim,

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Speaker 1: the victims showed the responding officers the video of the

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Speaker 1: incident from Wednesday. The video showed a much more violent

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Speaker 1: incident than what was originally reported to the original responding officer.

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Speaker 1: Those officers called in detectives to the scene to begin

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Speaker 1: a further investigation that night. On Monday morning, the victim

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Speaker 1: met with detectives and, based upon new evidence, the charges

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Speaker 1: from Wednesday's incidents are upgraded to a misdemeanor sault charge

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Speaker 1: and other misdemeanor charges. Officers attempted to locate the suspect

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Speaker 1: to arrest him, but we're unable to. The suspect did

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Speaker 1: eventually call the detectus back later that night, and he

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Speaker 1: was advised to turn himself in. You know what, this

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Speaker 1: is the moment right here. This is why I was

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Speaker 1: held in contempt, Jackie. Moments just like this. So obviously

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Speaker 1: he's sneaking around her house. She calls police. Police come,

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Speaker 1: he's gone. She shows them the video. They upgrade the

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Speaker 1: harassment to misdemeanor assault. Don't tell me, Chief Brian James

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Speaker 1: Gould that Oh my goodness, now I've seen the video.

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Speaker 1: This is much worse than we thought. They saw her

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Speaker 1: believing blood coming out of her nose. She told them

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Speaker 1: what happened. They saw her, and they did not file

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Speaker 1: a felony charge. And what does that mean? Listen? The

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Speaker 1: next morning, Tuesday, the suspect did turn himself in to

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Speaker 1: the chief Waca Police Department detectives. He was booked and

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Speaker 1: helped to see our court. The detectives notified the court

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Speaker 1: of the threat that the suspect presented to the victim.

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Speaker 1: The CPD domestic violence Advocate made contact with the assistant

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Speaker 1: District attorney handling the case and made them aware of

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Speaker 1: the threat that this suspect presented. The domestic violence advocate

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Speaker 1: was advised that the charges were not qualifying charges and

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Speaker 1: that the suspect could not be held, so the domestic

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Speaker 1: violence advocate insisted that an order of protection be issued.

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Speaker 1: The suspect was arraigned and a staateway order protection was

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Speaker 1: issued against the suspect. The suspect was released by the court.

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Speaker 1: Operative suspect released by court. Okay, Dodgor Carol and West,

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Speaker 1: I hear you in the background, and I agree with

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Speaker 1: every groan that you just admitted. Released by the court,

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Speaker 1: they upgraded him to missdemeanors. Are you kidding me? And

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Speaker 1: they release him with a piece of paper. Don't go

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Speaker 1: near her. He's been harassing her for so long. She's

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Speaker 1: wearing a bulletproof vest and she's got video surreal to

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Speaker 1: record his beatings. And they give him a piece of paper. Really, doctor,

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Speaker 1: And he also had a history of assaulting other women

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Speaker 1: seriously so and had been incarcerated for that. Oh, doctor West,

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Speaker 1: you are so right on takeless now cut sixteen w

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Speaker 1: ivb Adam Benefield's past includes an escape from a local

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Speaker 1: jail and a violent domestic incident with an ex girlfriend.

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Speaker 1: Back in March two thousand, Benefield was armed with a

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Speaker 1: shotgun when he abducted his estranged girlfriend and another woman

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Speaker 1: on the Kensington Expressway before leading police on a high

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Speaker 1: speed chase. He was twenty two at the time of

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Speaker 1: the incident. Then, in September of the same year, while

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Speaker 1: awaiting trial, he escaped from the Erie County Correctional Facility

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Speaker 1: in Alden by climbing over a fifteen foot wall. Did

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Speaker 1: you hear that, doctor West? Did you hear that? Again?

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Speaker 1: With a shotgun? Violence on a woman escape. He even

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Speaker 1: got over the wall at the jail a fifteen football

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Speaker 1: And this, I'm just gonna say it, idiot, judge and

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Speaker 1: prosecutor give him a stay away order, a piece of paper,

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Speaker 1: so we are a great women don't leave or they

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Speaker 1: don't try to protect themselves in this case, family, you

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Speaker 1: can do everything and it still may not guarantee safety.

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Speaker 1: Jessica Garth, you see this type of behavior crime every

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Speaker 1: day in my mind, and I hope they hear our program.

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Speaker 1: The judge and the prosecutor signed Kiara's death warrant. They did, yes,

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately, with the charges that they levied against him,

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Speaker 1: I think New York law prohibited him from being held

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Speaker 1: on any kind of a bill. But I just start

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Speaker 1: with the decision of the prosecutor as to one charge,

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Speaker 1: not only the prosecutor, but the judge. And here's the

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Speaker 1: judge's name. He needs to be thrown right off the bench,

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Speaker 1: Justice David Stevens, because the judge can disagree with the prosecutor.

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Speaker 1: And isn't it true, Jessica Garth, that the judge and

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Speaker 1: the prosecutor and the defense training they all have a

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Speaker 1: copy of the defendants rap sheet. They knew about his

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Speaker 1: prior felonies. They knew he did hard time, they knew

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Speaker 1: he escaped over a fifteen football absolutely, but yet they

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Speaker 1: still let him go on misdemeanors criminal mischief in the

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Speaker 1: fourth degree. Really, Nancy, they let him go less than

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Speaker 1: a day before she was murdered. Yes, and it all

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Speaker 1: stems from bail reform. It's being hidden under the term

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Speaker 1: bail reform. It's no reform, Christie. But you're right. He's

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Speaker 1: released thanks to Judge David Stevens and the weak spine

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Speaker 1: prosecutor in that courtroom. They let him go on October four.

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Speaker 1: She is dead October five, So then he gets away

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Speaker 1: to boot. Listen to this. Our friends cut nineteen, our

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Speaker 1: friends from wk BW Adam Benefield was caught by Buffalo Police,

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Speaker 1: so US from and US Marshals this morning, exactly one

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Speaker 1: week after County prosecutors say he shot and killed Kiera Hudson.

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Speaker 1: Benfield now faces a second degree murder charge, along with

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Speaker 1: three counts of child endangerment. No matter what guylines you have,

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Speaker 1: there are evil people in our world, and we will,

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Speaker 1: you know, see tragedies like this. You know, we can't

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Speaker 1: speculate you know what he have made bail, if there

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Speaker 1: was bail. There's a million things you can look at,

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Speaker 1: but it is extremely frustrating when you try. You have

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Speaker 1: so many steps in place, and you know somebody is dangerous,

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Speaker 1: you know there's a clear and present danger. Yet the

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Speaker 1: court has no option but to this person back out

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Speaker 1: into our community. That is total bs, complete bs. They

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Speaker 1: did have an option. They could have charged him after

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Speaker 1: that vicious beating with aggravated assault. That is a felony,

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Speaker 1: a violent felony, and they could have put him behind bars.

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Speaker 1: For all I know, he violated his parole. But on

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Speaker 1: that charge alone, they signed Kiera's death sentence. They sentenced

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Speaker 1: her three children to life without a mother. All you

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Speaker 1: mothers out there, think about it, your child growing up

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Speaker 1: without you to support them, help them, feed them, nurture them,

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Speaker 1: push them forward in life. And now Chief Brian James

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Speaker 1: Gould is trying to tell me, who knows there's always

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Speaker 1: evil people. There's really nothing we can do about it.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'd start with getting rid of you, Chief,

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Speaker 1: and I would also get rid of this not supposed

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Speaker 1: to curse on air. And I gave it up when

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Speaker 1: the twins were born. Reportedly Justice Justice, that's BS, David

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Speaker 1: Stevens and the detectives that failed Kiara. They can all

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Speaker 1: go to hell, straight to hell in a handbasket. And

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Speaker 1: not only that, they can go straight to hell in

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Speaker 1: a handbasket from the unemployment line. Okay, voters, you know

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Speaker 1: what to do. Kiara Hudson is dead. Suspect Adam Benefield

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Speaker 1: behind bars for now unless they let him out again.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice and false Nancy Grace Crimes Choice

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Speaker 1: signing off goodbye for