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Speaker 1: A story that Trump has also put into the news

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Speaker 1: cycle here has to do with the resettling of some

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Speaker 1: can't be a white refugee. That certainly would have been

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Speaker 3: Now South Africa leadership is coming to see me, I

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Speaker 1: Clai, I mean, if you asked the average MSNBC guest

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Speaker 1: or CNN host, who would you rather have here, an

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Speaker 1: a legal MS thirteen gang member or a legal immigrant

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Speaker 1: I think we all know the answer. Yeah, it's not

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Speaker 1: a difficult call. And to me, this is emblematic of

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Speaker 1: one of the major structural issues that the Democrat Party

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Speaker 1: has they're racist against white people now as a huge

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Speaker 1: part of their base. They're also anti Semitic as a

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Speaker 1: huge part of their base. And this identity politics coalition

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Speaker 1: that we all were told they had built during Obama's presidency.

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Speaker 1: You talked about how Obama did not have any sort

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Speaker 1: of substantial sort of glow. He didn't have any ability

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Speaker 1: to transcend or bring his popularity to other people. Right,

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Speaker 1: his coattails did not actually drag very many other people

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Speaker 1: into office. In fact, the reality was things went worse

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Speaker 1: for Democrats. But look at what they've done since, because

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Speaker 1: this is the natural result of this. They ran Hillary

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Speaker 1: Clinton in twenty sixteen, and what did they argue? It's

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Speaker 1: her time, It's time for a woman to be president.

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Speaker 1: They tried to identity politics coalition Hillary into the White House.

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Speaker 1: Then they actually went back completely on it and went

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Speaker 1: with Joe Biden, the oldest, whitest, as we just said,

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Speaker 1: least mentally and physically competent president that we've probably ever

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Speaker 1: had in any of our lives, and they dragged him

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Speaker 1: across the finish line because buck I think they got

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Speaker 1: lucky with COVID happening, which allowed them to hide him

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Speaker 1: in the basement. Otherwise Trump would have won comfortably in

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Speaker 1: twenty twenty and then in twenty twenty four would they

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Speaker 1: do They went back to the identity politics coalition and

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Speaker 1: they got stamped and they cannot escape it. Now they

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Speaker 1: have unleashed the crazy inside of their party, and the

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Speaker 1: crazy is of the opinion that white men were and

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Speaker 1: are the root evil of society. And then of course

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Speaker 1: it's expanded to Hispanic men and Asian men and black men,

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Speaker 1: because all of masculinity is now toxic and they do

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Speaker 1: not have anyone. They don't have anyone. This is where

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Speaker 1: I come back to again, who is a normal dude

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Speaker 1: in the Democrat Party? Who is just a guy that

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Speaker 1: you would like to have a beer with, that has

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Speaker 1: in any way a prominent voice in the Democrat Party.

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Speaker 1: To me, this is all connected to the problem they had.

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Speaker 1: They recognized the issue. They tried to bring in a

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Speaker 1: guy like Tim Walls, But they are hemorrhaging support from

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Speaker 1: normal men all over the country. And I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of normal women have followed them too. But this

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Speaker 1: is profoundly a rebellion from the Democrat Party being led

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Speaker 1: by men such that remember Buck, they had Obama try

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Speaker 1: to lecture black men for not showing up and supporting

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Speaker 1: Kamala enough. Remember that right in the tail end of

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Speaker 1: the campaign they had Obama. Their big strategy on how

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Speaker 1: to turn out black men was to have Obama tell

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Speaker 1: all black men out there, hey, you're being a little

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Speaker 1: bit sexist because you're not supporting You're not supporting Kamala enough.

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Speaker 1: All of this, I think is blowing up in their faces.

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Speaker 1: And I think when you see a story like this

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Speaker 1: out of South Africa, it is evidence. And I sent

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Speaker 1: to Greg we'll see when this clip comes in. But

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Speaker 1: on interviews, leaders in South Africa are basically saying, hey,

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Speaker 1: we need to kill more white people in the country. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're talking. There's a song that goes back to the

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Speaker 1: days of apartheid, and it was it's they talk about

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Speaker 1: killing the boar, which is a reference to the Dutch

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Speaker 1: ancestry africaner farmers. And look, there was a repulsive and

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Speaker 1: immoral system of apartheid in South Africa and when it

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Speaker 1: was then removed, they unfortunately replaced it with something that

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Speaker 1: it could have been a rule of law. Everyone has

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Speaker 1: treated equal democracy, but what they replaced it with was

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Speaker 1: a racial entitlement state. So certainly not as bad as

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Speaker 1: apartheid was, but still bad. I mean they still got bigger.

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Speaker 1: You know, you still have rules that disenfranchise the seven percent.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a small, pretty small minority of the country,

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Speaker 1: but the seven percent of the country that is white

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Speaker 1: explicitly so. And the country is having huge problems. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you look at the economy, crime, I mean, all

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Speaker 1: of the issues of governance for certainly the last thirty

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Speaker 1: years or so that you could measure in South Africa,

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Speaker 1: it the place is a mess. And they've got rolling blackouts.

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Speaker 1: They literally can't get keep the lights on in this country.

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Speaker 1: And this was not something that had existed previously. So

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Speaker 1: they've got a lot of challenges, a lot of problems.

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Speaker 1: But bringing it back here for a second, why you know,

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Speaker 1: first of all, as you've pointed out, you know, Disney

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Speaker 1: like freaks out and doesn't want to have the baseball

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Speaker 1: game in Georgia or something, what was it again. I

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Speaker 1: know there's way over the Atlanta over the new Georgia

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Speaker 1: voting bill, which actually has increased the number of people

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Speaker 1: that are out in their vote. But yeah, they pulled

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Speaker 1: the All Star Game out of Atlanta, so so the

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Speaker 1: hint of the smallest injustice in this country that you

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Speaker 1: know affects people that the left cares about is a

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Speaker 1: national crisis. But an open policy of racial discrimination, which

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Speaker 1: is what it is in South Africa, we should be

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Speaker 1: opposed in principle because it is based in principle against

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Speaker 1: racial discrimination anywhere in any form. We just had to

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Speaker 1: have a reckoning with this in our own country where

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Speaker 1: the affirmative action policies that had been in place were racist,

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Speaker 1: They were wrong, they were unconstitutional. Supreme Court finally has

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Speaker 1: started to write that right, that wrong and clay the Democrats,

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Speaker 1: though they're so up. I actually watched this MSNBC panel

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Speaker 1: this morning on this here is this is twenty one.

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Speaker 1: They're angry that we took fifty South African migrants. They

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Speaker 1: really this is a big problem for them. Play twenty one.

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Speaker 8: So deeply and morally wrongheaded and repulsive. These are the

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Speaker 8: descendants of the people who created the most diabolical system

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Speaker 8: of white supremacy in human history, apartheid. This is a

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Speaker 8: modern replacement theory in a country where, by the way,

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Speaker 8: white people make up seven percent of the population and

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Speaker 8: own seventy eight percent of the farmland. So Actually, there's

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Speaker 8: no injustice here. It's taking places away from refugees. We're

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Speaker 8: really being crushed by authoritarian governments and for these folks

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Speaker 8: who have never had anything happen to them. And Trump

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Speaker 8: amazingly called it a genocide, one of the worst lies

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Speaker 8: I've ever heard him say.

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Speaker 1: There's just been a.

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Speaker 8: Small handful of farmers that have been killed over the

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Speaker 8: past ten years. No land has actually been expropriated. It's

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Speaker 8: just a forest and a sham and a moral ugliness.

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Speaker 1: It's not a small handful of people that have been killed.

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Speaker 1: Start with that, okay, but beyond that, clay, So what

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Speaker 1: do they want to have happened here? Because what they

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Speaker 1: did in Zimbabwe, and this is why I brought it

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Speaker 1: up yesterday was land expropriation. It was okay, too many

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Speaker 1: white people here own land. We're taking it and we're

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Speaker 1: giving it. And that's why I brought up that documentary,

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Speaker 1: Mugabe and the White African and we're giving it to

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Speaker 1: the people. You know, what happened the country started to

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Speaker 1: basically starve. I don't think they really want to go

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Speaker 1: down that route in South Africa, but they don't want

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Speaker 1: to say that because they don't want to actually have

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Speaker 1: to face the realities of the system that they are

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Speaker 1: presiding over. Listen to this. This is from June of

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, but I wanted to play it. This is

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Speaker 1: Julius Malema. He's a leader of the Economic Freedom Fighters.

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Speaker 1: In an interview, he says, I'm not calling right now

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Speaker 1: for the killing of white people. This is the kind

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Speaker 1: of environment that exists. This is a media interview, cut

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Speaker 1: thirty seven.

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Speaker 9: I don't know what's going to OpenD in the future.

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Speaker 9: I'm saying to if not called for the killing of

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Speaker 9: white people, at least for now, I can't guarantee the future. Yeah,

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Speaker 9: but I mean you'd understand somebody watching that, especially as

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Speaker 9: it gets shared on.

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Speaker 5: Twitter, they freak out.

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Speaker 9: It sounds like a genocidal ah crime. Babies, baby, I'm

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Speaker 9: not calling for the slats of white people, at least

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Speaker 9: for now. I can't give you guante of the future,

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Speaker 9: especially when things are going the way they are subtext especially,

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Speaker 9: I think if things are going the way they are,

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Speaker 9: there will be a revolution in this country.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you now, I'm not calling for the

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Speaker 1: execution of white people right now. And he doubles downward.

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Speaker 1: He's very clear he's like, yeah, that's what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: He's like, don't be a bit of that's what I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: not misspeaking. If you have an issue with that, you're

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Speaker 1: a cry baby, that is. And then there's also the

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Speaker 1: the thinging I meant to get to this, but I

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Speaker 1: got diverse of the singing of the song shoot the Boar,

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Speaker 1: you know, shoot the Farmer, which has been there's video

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Speaker 1: of that which is circulated from I mean, it's a

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Speaker 1: stadium full of people. It's like, let's say, I don't know,

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Speaker 1: forty thousand people or something, we're all singing shoot the

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Speaker 1: white people. And this is from the head of a

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Speaker 1: political party, right, So you know, if the head of

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Speaker 1: the libertarian party in this country was I'm just picking

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Speaker 1: a random party, but you know, if the head of

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Speaker 1: any party in this country was having rallies where they're

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Speaker 1: saying we're not calling for the execution of our fellow

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Speaker 1: citizens yet, or cheering and chanting about it, I think

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Speaker 1: people would have a problem with that. But you see,

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Speaker 1: Democrats always have to pretend, they have to pretend to

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Speaker 1: be the heroes and the civil rights struggles that they

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Speaker 1: had nothing to do with. And so whenever you bring

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Speaker 1: up South Africa, all they want to talk about is

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Speaker 1: South Africa from forty to fifty sixty years ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they don't want to talk about South Africa today, which

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Speaker 1: is the problem.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to a special Clay and Buck Deep Dive podcast.

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Speaker 1: I want you to listen to how crazy The answer

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Speaker 1: is here from this woman who he's debating. She says, well,

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Speaker 1: if they're not happy in South Africa, they should just

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Speaker 1: go back to the country that they came from hundreds

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Speaker 1: of years ago. Because I think this gets into a

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Speaker 1: really interesting question. At what point are you a native

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Speaker 1: of where you actually live? I would argue it's way

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Speaker 1: less than hundreds of years ago. But listen to this discussion.

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Speaker 1: She says, if they're not happy, they should just go

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Speaker 1: back to Germany or Holland or wherever. Listen.

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Speaker 4: Thirty five thirty plus years ago, they went through the

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Speaker 4: parties system ended and they reformed their constitution under the

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Speaker 4: great leader of Nelson Mandela, and that allowed for a

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Speaker 4: racial reconciliation, one that this country has yet to do.

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Speaker 4: But South Africa did it, and they reformed their constitution.

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Speaker 4: And part of that is that the people who are

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Speaker 4: native to that land deserve their rightful land back. That

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Speaker 4: is not what the Afrikaners actually want to have happened,

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Speaker 4: which are the white Africa Cans and so who are

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Speaker 4: not originally from Africa who colonize South Africa also, and

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Speaker 4: so that is what they are saying is discrimination. Now,

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Speaker 4: if the constitution in South Africa is discriminatory, they have

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Speaker 4: their checks and balances in that land just like we do,

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Speaker 4: and that is for them to So if the Africaners

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Speaker 4: don't actually like the land, they can meet that country.

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Speaker 1: They are they're leading com No, they can.

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Speaker 4: Actually even go to where their native land is, which

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Speaker 4: is probably Germany. Or you against in coming here, Holland, Holland,

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Speaker 4: are you against in coming here? I'm against the hypocrisy

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Speaker 4: of this inn.

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Speaker 1: I think we can have a big discussion. It is

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Speaker 1: how I have to be careful that to curse. Sometimes

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Speaker 1: I listen to some of these cliffs go back to

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Speaker 1: their native land. Like if you say that in the

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Speaker 1: United States about somebody who's been here like ten years,

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Speaker 1: you are a crazy racist, right, go back to where

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Speaker 1: you came from. Yeah, minutes. If you're a trend Agua

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Speaker 1: gang banger who lies to authority, sneaks into the countries.

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Speaker 1: You can beat your wife in human traffic. The Libs

651
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Speaker 1: are like, he's as American as Thomas Jefferson. Hey, how

652
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Speaker 1: wild is this? They wanted to go back to Germany

653
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Speaker 1: and Holland for where they hundreds of years ago exposers.

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Speaker 1: There's a million ways to analyze this. Whatever it's anti

655
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Speaker 1: whiteness was made fashionable in the Democrat Party was mandatory

656
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Speaker 1: belief in the Democrat Party. And people say, well, what

657
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Speaker 1: about all the white people vote Democrat. Yeah, they're collaborators

658
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Speaker 1: with the ideology. They think that they're above it and

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Speaker 1: better than the other white people that have to be

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Speaker 1: constantly maligned and undermined. Fair question, because I do think

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Speaker 1: this is interesting. How long do you have to live

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Speaker 1: somewhere to be considered a native?

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Speaker 8: I think if.

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Speaker 1: People have been somewhere for I'm trying to the math them,

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Speaker 1: I had three hundred and fifty some odd years because

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Speaker 1: the Dutch East India Company landed in South Africa. By

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Speaker 1: the way they built the country too, there was no

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Speaker 1: country before there were warring African tribes. The Zulu tribe

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Speaker 1: was a conquering tribe that came one hundred and fifty

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Speaker 1: years after the Dutch arrived there. But no one knows history,

671
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Speaker 1: so you know whatever, it's like, oh, why don't we

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Speaker 1: give to give all of our land back to the Iroquois?

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Speaker 1: How about no, Yeah, the white South African should go

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Speaker 1: back to where they came from in the sixteen fifties,

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Speaker 1: like what a hundreds of years ago. This is like

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Speaker 1: me or you being like you should just go back

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Speaker 1: to Ireland or England, like what, I've been here for

678
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Speaker 1: hundreds of years. It's it's remarkable. And I mean just

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Speaker 1: imagine if you applied that to other people and the races,

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Speaker 1: for example, in this country, like go back. Have you

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Speaker 1: said to anybody go back to where you came from

682
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Speaker 1: in America and they were non white? It's a it's

683
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Speaker 1: a huge, huge scannel. But here we are on TV A,

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Speaker 1: CNN commentators like they could go back to I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I don't think the South Africans have spent a lot

686
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Speaker 1: of time in Germany that she's referring to. But just

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Speaker 1: go back with Germany and somebody else interjects holland you know, like, oh, oh,

688
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Speaker 1: that makes it easier. These people have been in South

689
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Speaker 1: Africa for hundreds of years. Well, this is an easy talkback.

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Speaker 1: We like this one. AA Jerome from Des Moines, Clay

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Speaker 1: and Buck, you guys are awesome. Thanks for everything short

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Speaker 1: and sweet man. Thank you, you know, just a little

693
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Speaker 1: pick me up there. I appreciate that. Thank you, Jerome.

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Speaker 1: Let's get back into this South Africa conversation here for

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Speaker 1: a second, because I thought this was also really interesting.

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Speaker 1: MSNBC's yamiche Al Sindor, who is very upset. This is

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Speaker 1: twenty two the notion that South Africans dec you know, Africaner,

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Speaker 1: white South Africans can assimilate well play twenty two.

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Speaker 10: So the Trump administration, they're saying that essentially these white

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Speaker 10: South Africans assimilate better and they're also not as as

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Speaker 10: much as a security risk. That's really causing a lot

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Speaker 10: of people can be appalled, frankly. And I also to

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Speaker 10: tell people that there's violence that they're talking about that

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Speaker 10: are dealing with these Africaners. I've been hearing from people

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Speaker 10: that say there is violence in South Africa, but it's

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Speaker 10: a I think everybody of every single race.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's a non sequitor at the end. But

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Speaker 1: let me just throw let me just throw this out

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Speaker 1: there Clay. Our whole immigration system is based on we

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Speaker 1: pick people for things that we think are worthy to

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Speaker 1: pick and that will be good. So things like being

712
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Speaker 1: able to speak English matters, Things like do you have

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Speaker 1: cultural or familial ties into this country already matters. And

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Speaker 1: bringing in third worlders who can't speak English, with no

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Speaker 1: education in any language whatsoever, whose first act on US

716
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Speaker 1: soil is illegal and then they immediately want their welfare,

717
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Speaker 1: which is what Biden did for four years, and it's

718
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Speaker 1: happened a lot before then too. That's actually not what

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Speaker 1: our immigration system is supposed to be. Assimilation is supposed

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Speaker 1: to happen. We just had the NBA draft yesterday, and

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Speaker 1: this is the argument written large that I would support

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Speaker 1: on immigration. We should be taking the most skilled practitioners

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Speaker 1: of all different sorts of disciplines from all over the

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Speaker 1: world and bringing them here, and a lot allowing our setup,

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Speaker 1: our foundational legal systems to let those people have more

726
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Speaker 1: success than they would otherwise be able to have in

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Speaker 1: their native country. I don't think we should be bringing

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Speaker 1: in people that are not highly skilled. This is my

729
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Speaker 1: argument for legal immigration, and it's the opposite of what

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Speaker 1: was happening there and what the Trump team, to my knowledge,

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Speaker 1: has argued is these are highly educated English speaking individuals

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Speaker 1: who will be immediately able to go to work and

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Speaker 1: provide tax paying support in the United States. And I

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Speaker 1: think most of you out there, regardless of where we're

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Speaker 1: bringing people in. Would I like to bring in more doctors, Yes,

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Speaker 1: I think we could use more highly skilled, highly trained

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Speaker 1: doctors from other parts of the country. Would I like engineers,

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Speaker 1: Would I like incredibly talented software engineers. Would I like

739
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Speaker 1: all of the best experts in so many different fields

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Speaker 1: of medicine and beyond from other parts of the world

741
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Speaker 1: to be able to come here and found new companies

742
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Speaker 1: and be more successful. Yes, that is the first round

743
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Speaker 1: draft pick analogy of the American immigration system, which we

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Speaker 1: need more of and less focus on unskilled immigrants. I

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Speaker 1: mean one thing, you know, I in my forthcoming book,

746
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Speaker 1: which will be out, it looks like January if next year.

747
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Speaker 1: The one of the chapters play I get into is

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Speaker 1: on the immigration issue. And I just talk about being

749
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Speaker 1: at the US Mexico border, specifically in the San Diego sector,

750
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Speaker 1: and you sit there and you're looking, and you go on,

751
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Speaker 1: there's the reality on one side of the border, the

752
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Speaker 1: reality the other side of the border, and there's a

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Speaker 1: fence and you can see it in real time, and

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Speaker 1: you go on one side of this fence is chaos, disorder, crime,

755
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Speaker 1: you know, all kinds of problems. On the other side,

756
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Speaker 1: it's like a beautiful nation. It's like a beautiful state park,

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Speaker 1: and you know, ten million dollar homes down the beach.

758
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Speaker 1: It's the same beach. The difference is the people there

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Speaker 1: and the political system that they have created. Right, I mean,

760
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Speaker 1: this is we have to get back down to a

761
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Speaker 1: very very basic understanding of reality here. And VIP email

762
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Speaker 1: from Ron, which I think is excellently he says, this

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Speaker 1: woman meeting a CNN commentator has no clue what she's

764
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Speaker 1: talking about. When the Dutch came to South Africa, there

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Speaker 1: were no natives. There were no native tribes. The Zulus,

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Speaker 1: which as I said this, were much further north. The

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Speaker 1: other tribe in the area where the Bantu, who are

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Speaker 1: with a wandering people. They were not settled. They did

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Speaker 1: not have cities, they did not have towns. They were

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Speaker 1: essentially herdsmen on the move. I added that part, But

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Speaker 1: that's what he's saying. South Africa was empty. There were

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Speaker 1: no settlements, The Dutch made South Africa and settled where

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Speaker 1: there weren't actually people. The Afrikaaners are the original natives

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Speaker 1: in that sense. Even the Zulus weren't organized as a

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Speaker 1: power yet. So the land mass of Africa, we are

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Speaker 1: to believe inherently belongs to people, the entire land mass

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Speaker 1: of so of you know, darker skin because and what's

778
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Speaker 1: fascinating about this is you say, okay, well you're gonna

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Speaker 1: have to explain that to the whole Northern African contingent

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Speaker 1: that are Arab Muslims that came as part of waves

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Speaker 1: of conquest. By the way, like we could play this

782
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Speaker 1: game all day, how long do you have to be

783
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Speaker 1: somewhere to be considered a native is a really difficult

784
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Speaker 1: question for people who want to argue against argue colonies

785
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Speaker 1: and colonizers. Let me just point this out. If you

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Speaker 1: believe human migration patterns and the existence of humanity, we

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Speaker 1: all in some way are native to Africa. So all

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Speaker 1: these individuals would be is doing a return to their

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Speaker 1: ancestral homeland when they came from Holland or wherever in

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Speaker 1: Europe back to Africa. Let me ask you a fun one.

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Speaker 1: Are the Palestinians native to Palestine. No, they are not

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Speaker 1: not under these rules. They at first there is no

793
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Speaker 1: there is no Palestine. But put that aside. Were they

794
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Speaker 1: in the region, No, Lily, we're not in the region.

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Speaker 1: It was Greek settlement and then it was and Jewish.

796
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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, I mean the Mediterranean basin ancient

797
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Speaker 1: Greece and Jews and Phoenicians. And guess what they were

798
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Speaker 1: Arab invaders who showed up and brought Islam and decided, Hey,

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Speaker 1: we're going to replace the holiness in this city with

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Speaker 1: our own stuff. So are they Are they original?

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Speaker 5: No, they're not.

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Speaker 1: Actually, well it's just around since the seventh century. Man,

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Speaker 1: they're late to the game. But yet it's their land.

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Speaker 1: Well it's just so arbitrary, right, like when you are

805
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Speaker 1: going to decide when is a land claim valid and

806
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Speaker 1: when is it not valid?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: And historically everyone is from Africa, right, so all you're

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Speaker 1: doing when you are coming to South Africa is returning

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Speaker 1: to your ancestral homeland. Now, look, this is also absurd

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Speaker 1: because if you say, like you're a native New Yorker,

812
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Speaker 1: Everybody's like, okay, yeah, your life you have spent in

813
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Speaker 1: New York. I'm a Native Tennessee and I've spent most

814
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Speaker 1: of my life in Tennessee. Nobody would argue it, but

815
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Speaker 1: our lives are relatively short periods. But this is why

816
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Speaker 1: you get into how arbitrary this whole thing is. I'd

817
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Speaker 1: also just point out that, I mean, you look at

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Speaker 1: something like the US, the US, you know, expansion into

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Speaker 1: the West and the birth of Texas, and you know

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Speaker 1: who was fighting with us against bands of Comanche raiders

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Speaker 1: for example, other Native tribes that they had dispossessed from

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Speaker 1: their land and in some cases murdered, mutilated, and enslaved. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's right. They were all fighting each other here, and

824
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Speaker 1: they built no cities, and they had no written language,

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Speaker 1: and some of them were so ticked off at the

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Speaker 1: others that they joined the white guys to hunt down

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Speaker 1: their hated enemies because they stole their land. I mean,

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Speaker 1: do research on the French and Indian War, Like they

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Speaker 1: allied with the French to kill a lot of us, right,

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Speaker 1: I mean, but historically, yes, your point is there were

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Speaker 1: many different native tribes that have been fighting for generations.

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Speaker 1: We got here a Maria is thankfully the greatest country

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Speaker 1: that's ever existed in the history of the world. But

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Speaker 1: it is funny to me that, oh, you can tell

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Speaker 1: the South African white people go back to your country

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Speaker 1: on CNN, and they've been there hundreds of years. But this, fundamentally,

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Speaker 1: this is just exposing the anti whiteness that is a

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Speaker 1: central organizing belief of the American left and the Democrat Party.