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Speaker 1: Hey, professional homegirls, it's shagara Ebine here and I hope

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Speaker 1: all is cute. We are back with another episode from

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Speaker 1: our spooky series, and in part one of this week's episode,

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Speaker 1: I sit down with Tawny Lewis, a seasoned paranormal investigator

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Speaker 1: who has made it her life's work to uncover the

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Speaker 1: truth behind what most people fear to face the unseen,

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Speaker 1: from hunted locations to spiritual encounters. Tawny takes us deep

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Speaker 1: into her world, sharing what drew her to the paranormal,

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Speaker 1: how she separates myth from reality, and even the racism

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Speaker 1: she faceball working in this field. So get ready, because

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Speaker 1: I am a paranormal investigator.

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Speaker 2: Starts now.

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Speaker 1: All right, to my guests, thank you so much for

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Speaker 1: being on the show. How you doing, how you feeling?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing good, and thank you. I'm like humble for

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Speaker 2: the opportunity, so thank you so much.

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Speaker 1: Of course, listen, we was key kinging literally like five

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Speaker 1: seconds ago, because I was like, who do people tell

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Speaker 1: you look like? And she said even laurd Hill when

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Speaker 1: she was younger, or Oprah, And I'm like, yo, if

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Speaker 1: I would like Oprah, y'all be sick of me. I'd

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Speaker 1: be everywhere on Oprah's done.

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Speaker 2: Okay, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Now we have to do this really quick because I

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Speaker 1: don't get a chance to talk about scary movies because

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Speaker 1: none of my friends and joy scary movies. But I

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Speaker 1: recently was doing some research on you, and I discovered

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Speaker 1: that your favorite scary movie is Halloween, and so is mine.

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Speaker 2: I've seen all the Halloween movies. I'm a big fan

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Speaker 2: of the eighties movies.

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Speaker 1: Like slasher movies.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I like the eighties. I like Freddy

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Speaker 2: Couger and Halloween and.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but I feel like I'm gonna make a quick

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Speaker 1: sou werenna seg go and see your story. But I

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Speaker 1: just feel like horror does not get is get is

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Speaker 1: what's the word accolades that it deserves because I feel

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Speaker 1: like horror has the best character development because each villain

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Speaker 2: Yep, I strongly agree. And a good example of that

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Speaker 2: is that new movie Smile Too, which I didn't see

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Speaker 2: part one, but I don't really care for too well, No,

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Speaker 1: Really care for Smile Too.

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Speaker 2: Well. Here's the thing. I thought that actress was phenomenal. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I think her name is Naomi. It's amazing actress, and

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Speaker 2: I was thinking, I was like, they don't give horror

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Speaker 2: and they just it just kind of glossed over like

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Speaker 2: another horror movie. And so, yeah, I think it should

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Speaker 1: I think so too. But why do you think horror

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Speaker 2: I think people just don't take it seriously. There's a

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Speaker 2: lot of people that they don't want to see that gory, bloody,

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Speaker 2: dark storyline. They're oh, no, no, no, that's not my thing. No, no, no,

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Speaker 2: I think it's a lot of reasons, and so there's

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Speaker 2: just these you see, I think there's just a core

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like your love for horror influence the

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Speaker 1: way you do your paranormal investigation and also being intitive medium.

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Speaker 2: No, it's it's interesting because I feel like I keep

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Speaker 2: it separate because a lot of people are like, oh,

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Speaker 2: you like horror movies, yes, do you like the Conjuring?

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I've never seen the Conjuring? Like no, They're like,

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Speaker 2: do you like paranormal activity. I'm like, I've never seen

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Speaker 2: paranormal activity. They actually really connect to the supernatural. Paranormal

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Speaker 2: I haven't really seen. I've just seen the little scary

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Speaker 2: horror slasher films. So it's very interesting.

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Speaker 1: See, I'm not gonna lie. I don't really care for

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Speaker 1: scary movies that incorporate religion, like lead God out of

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Speaker 1: I don't like stuff like that. And you got the Nuns.

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Speaker 2: See that movie with Glenn Close?

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Speaker 1: Which one is that one?

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Speaker 2: It just came out, the recent one? It's recent. It

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Speaker 2: it had Glenn Close in it and it's a true story.

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Speaker 1: Oh the Deliverance, that one that was on Netflix. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that was a little too much for me.

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Speaker 2: It was a lot to see. I normally nothing bothers me,

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Speaker 2: and I was just like la, la la. And I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was too I'm like, come on now, like

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Speaker 2: Im Yeah, And I rarely feel uncomfortable for movies like that.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I don't want to see this ever. Again,

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Speaker 2: it's weird story. The true story too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it is. You know what's so funny. I was

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Speaker 1: actually looking for the lady because it's actually a black family,

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Speaker 1: and I feel like they just like disappeared.

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Speaker 2: I don't blame them, just from the backstory that this

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Speaker 2: is something that I do believe and that you know

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Speaker 2: that happened to them, and they don't want anything to

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Speaker 2: I think he had mentioned it was it was hard

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and so I could see why they they would

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Speaker 1: Can't find me, Yeah, because they have no digital footprint

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Speaker 2: I don't want anything to do with it.

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Speaker 1: And then some man he was he bought the house

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Speaker 2: Oh? That part I didn't know about. Yeah, it's yeah,

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Speaker 2: that place. And then just a side note. A few

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Speaker 2: weeks ago, I went to Las Vegas and zach begans

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Speaker 2: Haunted Museum. He has the stairs from the basement and nothing.

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Speaker 2: It just at the very end of the tour, and

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Speaker 2: And I stayed in the room. But I was just like,

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Speaker 2: an he when everyone wants to come close to that

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Speaker 2: story and see he has those stairs.

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Speaker 1: So yo, you a different type niggaive by the stairs.

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Speaker 1: You by the stairs, like, I'm not doing that.

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Speaker 2: Well, yep, he bought the stairs. Did you feel anything

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Speaker 2: that's not happening. My sister she didn't want to go

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Speaker 2: I'll go. But again it was because I'm I think

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Speaker 2: I'm very grounded and I'm very in control to where

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Speaker 2: I'm not someone that's like I see spirit everywhere. It's

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Speaker 2: not like that I live, you know, I'm very controlled.

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Speaker 2: And so I was like, cool, I want air, but

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Speaker 2: also has Jack Kavorkian's van. What's that? Who's that? Ooh?

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Speaker 2: Please google that when you when you're done. It's a

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Speaker 2: it's a man from I want to say thirty years ago.

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Speaker 2: He used to do assistant suicides. But these are people

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Speaker 2: hearing about it. But he was condemned in the media,

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Speaker 2: and they have the van that he used to do

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Speaker 2: the suicides. In that room, I was like, no, Like

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Speaker 2: I felt really lightheaded, and I was like and we

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Speaker 2: I gotta get out of here. But yeah, there's a

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Speaker 2: it's an interesting museum. That's why I tell people. I'm like,

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Speaker 2: it's it's spooky, but he does have a lot of

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Speaker 2: cool things in there, especially if you like the paranormal.

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Speaker 1: See that's the thing. I love watching scary shit. But

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Speaker 1: I can't experience Like I couldn't do that museum even

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Speaker 2: My sister, yeah, she did it, and then towards the

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Speaker 2: was like, I'm glad that gives me the option if

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Speaker 1: Could you imagine if you have to go in to exit?

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like nope, nope, no, but no, I hear you.

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Speaker 2: Some people are just like no, way, too much. And

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Speaker 2: of all the stuff he has.

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Speaker 1: And I feel energy. So if I feel something crazy,

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Speaker 1: I would run at that damn house. Like that's like,

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Speaker 2: Yep, You're like I'm out by.

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Speaker 1: I'm out, So do you believe that everyone has intuitive

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Speaker 2: I think that everyone is. I believe that everyone's sensitive. However,

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Speaker 2: some are more open than others. So for example, like

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Speaker 2: to where she's sensitive. She identifies that. She's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I believe that people are sensitive. But then there are

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Speaker 2: they just aren't aware at all. But again, it's just

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Speaker 1: I feel like everybody is so spiritually woke. So do

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Speaker 1: you feel like everybody's making up to their spiritual gifts

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Speaker 1: or I do.

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Speaker 2: I think, especially within the last i'm gonna say ten

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Speaker 2: I've always been a paranormal investigator. I've been very interested

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Speaker 2: in the paranormal. I've been doing that for fifteen years.

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Speaker 2: But the intuitive aspect came out of nowhere where I

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Speaker 2: was just minding my business, enjoying life in New Orleans,

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Speaker 2: and I was getting information in one room and I

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Speaker 2: was like, why it was little things. I was like,

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Speaker 2: the room we were in. They were like, it's hunted

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Speaker 2: by a nun and she died and just a big

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Speaker 2: elaborate story, right, And I'm sitting there and I was like,

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Speaker 2: I feel like there's a lady. I feel like she

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Speaker 2: and I was like a download, yeah, And I was like,

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Speaker 2: I like scary stuff. I like history, and I like

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Speaker 2: I don't do demons. I don't do none of that.

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Speaker 1: It's so crazy because it's just dawn on me because

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Speaker 1: It just appears. So do you think that spirits are

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Speaker 2: There aren't. Okay, it's an example. I'd bring up my

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Speaker 2: She's like, I don't see, I don't hear, leave me alone.

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Speaker 2: she's like yes, She's like I know, and I'm like,

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Speaker 2: when I'm not doing this work because of training, I've

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Speaker 2: learned to literally it sounds stupid, but turn to switch on. Okay,

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Speaker 1: How do you do that? Like you just like, what's

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Speaker 2: It's you know what. I've had different teachers that teach

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Speaker 2: I'm just me. I'm just doing my life. I'm working,

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Speaker 2: just like, Okay, Intuitively, I'm hoping, I'm ready. Okay, let's

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Speaker 2: Whereas you know, you see people that are like something's

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Speaker 2: following me, or I'm uncomfortable. That's never never happened to me.

429
00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:28,199
Speaker 2: I'm fine. I don't have anything weird happen to me.

430
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,240
Speaker 2: I don't have things talking to me. It doesn't work

431
00:20:31,359 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 2: like that. And so, but yeah, hard to explain, but

432
00:20:33,880 --> 00:20:37,600
Speaker 2: it is with development. If someone's listening, that's you know,

433
00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:40,800
Speaker 2: learning more about their own development. It takes time to

434
00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:43,240
Speaker 2: get to that point to where you're like controlled.

435
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, so are there any other gifts or abilities that

436
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,239
Speaker 1: you have that you don't use? Because I know one

437
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:49,439
Speaker 1: of the things that you said in one of your

438
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 1: other interviews that you don't like doing past readings or

439
00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:53,840
Speaker 1: past life readings.

440
00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, A few people told me that I'm pretty good

441
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,520
Speaker 2: at it. And it sounds crazy because you could be like,

442
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:02,239
Speaker 2: are you just making stuff up? You know? Whereas what

443
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:04,399
Speaker 2: I did was when I would practice it, I would

444
00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,520
Speaker 2: connect it. I would somehow connect it to something in

445
00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 2: their current life, to where the sitter was like impressive, Okay,

446
00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 2: you wouldn't know that. How would you know that? You know?

447
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,920
Speaker 2: We're like a good example is I read someone years

448
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,719
Speaker 2: ago and I was connected to her legs or something.

449
00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:22,720
Speaker 2: I was like, I feel like you were I forgot

450
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 2: what I told her A man in a village and

451
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: you had to use canes and you couldn't walk it all.

452
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,199
Speaker 2: I think your legs are And she's like, you can

453
00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 2: see her eyes now, And I said, what's going on?

454
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 2: She says, when I was a child, I couldn't walk,

455
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,240
Speaker 2: and I was like interesting. So it's little things like that,

456
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:41,600
Speaker 2: and so technically I can. I believe I can do

457
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,720
Speaker 2: past life readings. However, it's not like a specialty where

458
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 2: I talk about it. To be honest with you, I

459
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 2: find joy after developing and learning everything I could about paranormal.

460
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,040
Speaker 2: I find joy in doing investigations and then doing research,

461
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:00,239
Speaker 2: So you go on my pages. I don't have ti

462
00:22:00,359 --> 00:22:03,440
Speaker 2: cycond readings into readings. Yeah, I don't do it. And

463
00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,600
Speaker 2: I knew that when I was developing. My friends are like,

464
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,240
Speaker 2: wait a minute, you're doing all this development. You're not

465
00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:09,159
Speaker 2: going to be a full time psyche. I was like,

466
00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 2: it's not. It's cool, but it doesn't give me joy.

467
00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 2: And if a friend emails me or text me and

468
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 2: the life I need a reading. I just met a guy,

469
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: I will gladly do it. I will never say no,

470
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 2: it's just I don't know if I want to be

471
00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 2: that full time person. That's like that is my job

472
00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,440
Speaker 2: and so. But no, it gives me. I really enjoy

473
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 2: the paranormal aspect of this.

474
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:31,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, and do you still see orrs around people?

475
00:22:32,800 --> 00:22:36,280
Speaker 2: I can, but it's against like not a specialty. When

476
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:39,120
Speaker 2: I was a child, Oh my gosh, I sometimes want

477
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 2: to press for wine and go back to that because

478
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 2: I didn't know what was going on. A vivid like

479
00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 2: vividly and we my brother just thought it was a game.

480
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:51,320
Speaker 2: I'd been like, oh, stand against the wall, you're green,

481
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 2: and it would just be colors emitting around him or

482
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: to the you're purple, and I was like, oh, I

483
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 2: was like, I was seeing ours a little kid, and

484
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,520
Speaker 2: he said, he said, you're younger than me. He was too,

485
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 2: and he was like, I wonder if that means I'm psychic.

486
00:23:08,680 --> 00:23:10,879
Speaker 2: I said, you might be, but see he's in another

487
00:23:10,920 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 2: path in life. But it was just like a common

488
00:23:12,520 --> 00:23:14,000
Speaker 2: He's like, I wonder if I'm psyche because I could

489
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:15,959
Speaker 2: see him too, but I think he couldn't see them

490
00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,840
Speaker 2: as strong as I could. And so I tell people

491
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:21,479
Speaker 2: that auras are just energy. It's all about energy and

492
00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 2: reading people. And everyone has their own interpretation of what

493
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,560
Speaker 2: the aura color is. And so let's say you saw

494
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:35,200
Speaker 2: blue around me. For me, blue means communication, it means somehow,

495
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:38,679
Speaker 2: cause mean like father connection, whereas for you, blue can

496
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,240
Speaker 2: mean something else like school or someone with an attitude

497
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,640
Speaker 2: or whatever. You know. So when I teach about auras,

498
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:47,960
Speaker 2: it's like, what did these colors mean to you? And so, yeah,

499
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 2: I that was cool thinking about the ras when I

500
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:51,960
Speaker 2: was younger.

501
00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:57,639
Speaker 1: And not me asking you it's my color. Oh oh

502
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,280
Speaker 1: you can see him.

503
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 2: It's intuitive. It's the claiicolance. You have a few. Actually,

504
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 2: the first the first one that popped up for you

505
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 2: was purple. So for purple, that means for me, it's

506
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: like queen energy, It's all okay, it's okay, queen energy,

507
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:20,800
Speaker 2: intuition royalty meaning not like you are like the Queen

508
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:24,200
Speaker 2: of England, but you could be to be treated. You

509
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 2: want to be treated like the queen that you are. Also,

510
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,840
Speaker 2: you not high maintenance, but you expect I am.

511
00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: I am.

512
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: Oh, you know what, I probably worried it wrong. I

513
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,400
Speaker 2: wanted to say, not a nasty type of high maintenance,

514
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,239
Speaker 2: like you know what you deserve, you know, like I

515
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 2: know what I need. And let's say you're dating someone

516
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 2: you're very much like he's like, I'm trying to think

517
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: of an example, like you're he's like, I'm gonna get

518
00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,399
Speaker 2: you McDonald's. You're like that, We're not No, Yeah, I

519
00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: feel like you're you're you hold yourself in high regard.

520
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: There we go. But then I also saw red and

521
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,400
Speaker 2: read for me is someone who doesn't play around, and

522
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:14,199
Speaker 2: so someone's poking you or bothering you. Come on people professional,

523
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:17,439
Speaker 2: You're very professional. But if someone pokes, pokes, pokes, I

524
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 2: feel like there's a side of you that doesn't come

525
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:26,359
Speaker 2: out very often where they're like, yeah, you're just like okay,

526
00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:31,080
Speaker 2: and then you revert back to the professional side. So yeah,

527
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 2: that's what I and yellow, which is for me, yellow

528
00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,399
Speaker 2: is education. Someone is very very smart. That could have

529
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,000
Speaker 2: been a teacher. I don't know if you are a teacher,

530
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 2: but you could. You could be. You're very good at

531
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 2: explaining things and people will listen to you. But yeah,

532
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 2: those are the three colors I see. That's so cool,

533
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:51,880
Speaker 2: damn much.

534
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 1: I can see what you see.

535
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:56,680
Speaker 2: It's all it's for like, in my head, I can

536
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 2: It's like I'm looking at you now and then on

537
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: top of your head, I just see like and it's

538
00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,159
Speaker 2: literally energy, just energy kind of floating. And then I

539
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 2: saw the purple and then I saw the red like that,

540
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: it just floats. It's pretty cool. Okay, cool.

541
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,080
Speaker 1: Now do you think that children are more spiritually open?

542
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: And if so, why do you think most people lose

543
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 1: that connection as they get older, because I always feel

544
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: like it starts off when a person as a child.

545
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 2: Yep, children are absolutely more spiritually connected. They can see spirit,

546
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 2: they can hear spirit. There's some videos on TikTok that

547
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: have to send you from people where you see a

548
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 2: kid clearly talking to somebody that's not there, and the

549
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: parents like what is going on? And so, yes, they

550
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 2: can see, they can hear, they can feel. It's interesting

551
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 2: because I think back to when I was a toddler.

552
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: Maybe I did not that I don't know, and my

553
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:43,680
Speaker 2: mom will never tell me. She doesn't believe in any

554
00:26:43,720 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: of this. But yes, I believe kids are susceptible, and

555
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 2: then as they get older they tend to lose it.

556
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,119
Speaker 2: It's just because they are now exposed to the world

557
00:26:53,600 --> 00:26:57,400
Speaker 2: and people worping them with crab and bullshit and tea. Yeah,

558
00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,400
Speaker 2: you really start to forget about that innocent, precious time

559
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 2: where they were younger and more connected to God and

560
00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:06,400
Speaker 2: so that. Yeah, I definitely think kids are very As

561
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: a matter of fact, I shouldn't say this, but it's okay.

562
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 2: For my day job. They know that I do paranormal

563
00:27:12,520 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: and they tell one of the employees had said, hey, Tani,

564
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 2: there's there's kids that have said because it's camps, the

565
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 2: kids that have said that they think they see a

566
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 2: ghost in the bathroom. And I was like, really, like, yeah,

567
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 2: they said that, And I remember thinking to myself and

568
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 2: it didn't go further than that, but I was thinking, like, yeah,

569
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 2: I'm sure they did. So these are like kids. I'm

570
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 2: sure they're like, oh, there's someone in here, and they're

571
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: probably talking to him. So yes, definitely kids are susceptible.

572
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: I just think it's so interesting how like, like we

573
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: think we're the only beings in the world, and we

574
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 1: are surrounded by so many other things that we just

575
00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:48,360
Speaker 1: possibly just can't.

576
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: See at all. Surrounded the galaxies are just so deep,

577
00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,440
Speaker 2: and I see videos about the one hundred light years

578
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: away we found a planet with all water? Could there

579
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: be life? Like, of course there's life, but yes, I agree.

580
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,600
Speaker 1: So how did your mom, with her being a non believer,

581
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: how did that impact you on your journey?

582
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,760
Speaker 2: It was fine. She she goes back and forth where

583
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 2: like I see her watching shows with psycho growing up

584
00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: shows the psychic medium things, or I'll see her like

585
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 2: there's an interest, but then she's like, oh, you know.

586
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 2: Her attitude was I need to see it to believe it.

587
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,080
Speaker 2: That was always her attitude. And then when I first

588
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 2: started doing learning more about paranor paranormal and developing my

589
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 2: spiritual gifts, I remember sitting down and being like, so, yeah,

590
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 2: apparently a teacher said that I'm a medium, and she

591
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:43,360
Speaker 2: just kind of looked at me, and I was like,

592
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,760
Speaker 2: I was like, so, I just wanted you to be

593
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,120
Speaker 2: aware because I think I'm gonna like dive and learn,

594
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 2: dive in and learn more about it. And I really

595
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: appreciate it because she says, do you like doing it?

596
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,680
Speaker 2: Like the reading stuff, and I said I do. Actually

597
00:29:02,400 --> 00:29:05,440
Speaker 2: she said okay, and that it never that was it.

598
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 2: And I appreciate that cause she wasn't like what the hell, like,

599
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 2: are you happy? That's all that matters? Are you do

600
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 2: you like, yeah, like okay, then then that's fine. And

601
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,120
Speaker 2: then as I would do the development, she never really

602
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 2: stopped me or commented or nothing that It was just like, oh,

603
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: you're in the class, Oh okay, whatever, you know, our

604
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 2: our showmate comments. Like I showed her I was on

605
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: I was on Ghost Adventures, which is one of the

606
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 2: biggest deals in my life. If you haven't seen it,

607
00:29:30,360 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 2: please watch it. I was Ghost Adventures and I showed

608
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 2: her and she was just kind of like, all of

609
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 2: you guys are idiots, like just being a smarter, Yeah,

610
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: you're dumb. All of you are crazy if you believe

611
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,280
Speaker 2: in all this stuff. But she watched it. You know,

612
00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: she watched me. She watched the whole thing and was

613
00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,320
Speaker 2: just like whatever, and then that was really it. So

614
00:29:49,360 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: it's like, is she supportive in her own way?

615
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm about to say she's proud, but she just

616
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 1: shows in a different way, in a.

617
00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: Different way, which is totally fine. I'm just happy that

618
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: she's not like, get out, this is evil, you know

619
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 2: where it's my sister who is a the nying psychic.

620
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: She she believes in this. She just feels like there's

621
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 2: some aspects to it that could be evil. And yeah,

622
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: I agree, there's people that do. Like I said, I

623
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: told you some places that have like demonic activity. I

624
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: don't deal with that stuff. Yeah, and so she's just

625
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: kind of like, well, just keep that away from me.

626
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: I was like, don't worry. I don't. I don't do

627
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 2: things like that.

628
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: So, yeah, you know what's so crazy. I was looking

629
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: for it because you know, my show I interview black people,

630
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: and so I really want to talk to a demonologist.

631
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: But I'm like, do I really want to talk to

632
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: somebody that deals with that?

633
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 2: I know? And I you know, I try to respect

634
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 2: everyone that's in this field because they all have their

635
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 2: own strengths you know.

636
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, because I'm just like, what would make

637
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:45,880
Speaker 1: you want to chase demons?

638
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: Yeah? That it makes me uncomfortable. And I always tell

639
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,000
Speaker 2: the students when I teach them, I'm like, listen, I'm like,

640
00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: as an investigator, I know something that I'm probably going

641
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 2: to come across at some point. I get that. I know.

642
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: It's like I'm because I'm doing this, you know, work,

643
00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 2: but I don't go looking for it. I don't trying

644
00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: to communicate with it or like why would I do that?

645
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: And see, And that's why I'm just like, that's the

646
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 1: interesting part, because like why would you want to do that?

647
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 2: Yes, And I'm like, I just want to like tell

648
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 2: stories and talk to a lady from the eighteen hundreds.

649
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 2: I don't want to.

650
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: Dark right now? Looking back, did you ever feel like

651
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: you're INTUITU side ever show up in your everyday life

652
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: and you just.

653
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I was a young manager, I worked for

654
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:33,600
Speaker 2: this fast food restaurant chain for a long time, and

655
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,239
Speaker 2: I used to do interviews all the time, and I

656
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: remember I would this is so random. I would be like,

657
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: oh hi, I'm tiny. I would shake their hands during

658
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: the interviews, and when I would shake their hand, I

659
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,160
Speaker 2: would get a download of information about them, and I

660
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 2: was always right. So like there was one girl years ago,

661
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: fifteen years ago, I shook her hand and something said

662
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: always late, doesn't hold herself accountable, don't trust her. Yeah,

663
00:31:56,360 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: And I was just like, interview was awesome, she was dumb.

664
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 1: The ones Okay, she was great.

665
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 2: She As a matter of fact, I think she was

666
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 2: black ways of years ago, and I remember being like,

667
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 2: she's I want to hire you know everything I came

668
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,080
Speaker 2: it was horrible, and I anyway, that kept happening. That

669
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: kept happening, and it happened countless times. I'm gonna say

670
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: more than fifteen twenty times just over the years I

671
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:21,360
Speaker 2: worked there, hiring people, and I was like, is it

672
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: just me? Or am I giving in to the So

673
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 2: then at the time I would say, as a joke,

674
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: cause I was young, I'd be like, I have a

675
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 2: hidden trick. I could shake your hand and know things

676
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: about you. But at the time, being young, I didn't realize,

677
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: oh girl, you're intuitive, like hello, right, so like really yeah,

678
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 2: shake your hand or no. So I was just picking

679
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: up on their energy and so that so yes, going

680
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 2: being younger and not being at the time, I wasn't

681
00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 2: tapped in the paranormal, I wasn't tapped in the spirituality.

682
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 2: I was just being me. I was getting information about people.

683
00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: But is it hard for you to differentiate between your

684
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:56,920
Speaker 1: thoughts and what you receive intuitively?

685
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,480
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say I'm gonna say no. But it's only

686
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 2: because of that development. And the question you're asking is

687
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: so perfect because there's so many people that are new

688
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: to the spiritual side of themselves, right and they're like

689
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: they don't know, and it's like it took years. I

690
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:19,240
Speaker 2: think I started developing this in like late twenty eighteen,

691
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:21,080
Speaker 2: and that I took it seriously. I was like, am

692
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna really do it, and

693
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 2: I'm gonna take it seriously, and I'm gonna make sure

694
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: that I understand every aspect of this. And so yeah,

695
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: I feel that I'm able to differentiate, like, Okay, this

696
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 2: is me, Okay, wait, what you know? This is something different.

697
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: I can tell if when I'm an investigation, if I'm

698
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 2: actually feeling or seeing someone intuitively, or if I'm making

699
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: the double I can usually tell the difference. Another one

700
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 2: that's really hard for people. I get asked a lot

701
00:33:50,120 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: is can you tell between a loved one and a ghost?

702
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 2: That's hard to explain, but yes, you know, it's a

703
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 2: good question. It's hard. Yeah. Years ago, my friend he

704
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: said that he felt like his house was haunted. And

705
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:06,160
Speaker 2: I went and I was like, wait a minute, whose

706
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: house is this? And he said, oh, it's my aunts.

707
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,600
Speaker 2: I said, she passed. Yes, so it wasn't a ghost,

708
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:15,800
Speaker 2: it was her. She was just visiting. She was visiting.

709
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 2: I was like, she will see make sure her house

710
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:19,480
Speaker 2: is clean up. But you know, so that was a

711
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: good I was telling that example when teaching because they're like,

712
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 2: I can't tell. It's just I felt love with him

713
00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 2: because he was there. I felt love, I felt normalcy.

714
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:32,480
Speaker 2: I could see how she was dressed, and I was

715
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:35,480
Speaker 2: just like, oh, this is a present day woman that

716
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 2: just wanted to come, Whereas if you were in a location,

717
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,280
Speaker 2: I'm like, that person's dressed from like the nineteen sixties.

718
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 2: You know, like what is going on? Or it's a

719
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:44,800
Speaker 2: different type of feel or different type of energy. Is

720
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: it something dark? Is it something happy? Is it something

721
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 2: you know? It's different ways. And so there's a lot

722
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: that goes into this development, and that's also just a

723
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 2: side conversation where there's so many psychic mediums that have

724
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,120
Speaker 2: no idea what they're doing and they just did a

725
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 2: drop in and they're like, I'm a psychic, I'm charging

726
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars an hour and they don't know what

727
00:35:02,200 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 2: the hell they are doing.

728
00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:05,160
Speaker 1: I don't see how people are still getting scammed.

729
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 2: In five Yeah, so many, And that's why I'm like,

730
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:09,840
Speaker 2: please learn. That's why I say develop a lot of them, like,

731
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,760
Speaker 2: please develop, Please learn about this before you just jump

732
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 2: into this work, because it's it's not something to be

733
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:19,279
Speaker 2: taken lightly, especially if you're doing it professionally full time,

734
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 2: because people will listen to every single word that you say,

735
00:35:22,239 --> 00:35:26,319
Speaker 2: anything you say about their career, their job or SORR,

736
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:29,320
Speaker 2: their love life or family life. So just want to

737
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 2: make sure people are ethical when doing this work.

738
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, because you got my wheels turning. So when

739
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: we have all these spirits that surrounded us, why do

740
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: you think that they're not either in heaven or hell.

741
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 2: There's different reasons, And when I do investigations, it's like

742
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 2: the most typical reason is their attached to property. That

743
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 2: is their property, that is their item. It could be

744
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 2: a bed, it could be a necklace. It's just there.

745
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,320
Speaker 2: They want to stay with the item are which is

746
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 2: kind of sad. Some of them are just waiting for

747
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,760
Speaker 2: someone and they don't realize that that person they're waiting

748
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 2: for has crossed over. So it's a lot of different reasons.

749
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,120
Speaker 2: A good one, which is oh really interesting, actually is

750
00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas there's a insurance company that used to

751
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: belong to Red Fox. It was his house. He got

752
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 2: his like a because we all know how popular he was.

753
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 2: His biggest check he bought that property and that was

754
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 2: his damn property. And he made that very very clear.

755
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: He was very proud of it because I'm thinking he

756
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: came from nothing, from memory and the irs. I think

757
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 2: they took everything in like nineteen ninety or some we

758
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: give researched this, but they took everything, and at the

759
00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: time he was just like, this is my stup, blah

760
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 2: blah blah blah blah. Anyway, he died and he was

761
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 2: haunting the hell out of that house. I think he

762
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 2: still does. I would love to know. They're very an

763
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: insurance compan owns it, so they're very much like yes,

764
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:54,920
Speaker 2: staying why, Like they don't make people who interviews are investigations.

765
00:36:54,920 --> 00:36:57,720
Speaker 2: I'm like, and I investigated, please, but it is known

766
00:36:57,880 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: in the in the nineties, in the early two thousand

767
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 2: that the location was very, very haunted. But they say

768
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: it's him and he's not happy yet because they've had

769
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 2: psychics going there and they're like, he's upset because of

770
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,399
Speaker 2: the renovations and that things were moved. And so that's

771
00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 2: a good example where it just depends on the situation

772
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 2: with him. That is his house and he is not

773
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 2: one of money in there messing anything up. That's how

774
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: he sees it.

775
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 1: But I want to do the spirit like makes the

776
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: agreement that they're not ready to move on, because I'm like,

777
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: how does that work? I mean, I don't want to

778
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:27,200
Speaker 1: find out. God, no time soon.

779
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,840
Speaker 2: But it's different reasons, and you know, like another another

780
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: example is in Gettysburg exactly a year ago. I was

781
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 2: with my sister and we were doing an investigation and

782
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:41,279
Speaker 2: we came across a soldier and she was she was

783
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:43,359
Speaker 2: freaked out because I remember she kind of a skeptic, and

784
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 2: she asked on that spear box, she says, who's the president? Clear?

785
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 2: Is that you hear him say? President Lincoln? She was like,

786
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 2: I'm done I've got I've got where see with him,

787
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:56,040
Speaker 2: I don't think he knew he was dead.

788
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,719
Speaker 1: And that's another thing. Yeah, I had this this other

789
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 1: pair investigating and she's just like you, you actually follow

790
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: each other. Shout out to Melissa. But she Yeah, she

791
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: was saying, how a lot of times, a lot of

792
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,839
Speaker 1: these people don't even know that they did.

793
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they a lot. So it just depends like

794
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: you have some that don't know, some that do know,

795
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 2: some that they just they don't want to leave a

796
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 2: lot of different things, and so like some psychics, they

797
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: are able to try to cross them over. I actually

798
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 2: don't do that. My mentor gets mad at me about that.

799
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: She wanted me to be able to if I go

800
00:38:27,560 --> 00:38:30,240
Speaker 2: into a location, there is somebody that's like, I'm waiting

801
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: for my father who passed fifty sixty years ago, to

802
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,279
Speaker 2: get them to move over, move across on And I

803
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 2: don't really Yes, so I have a thought about it.

804
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 2: I just feel like I don't know if it's my place,

805
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 2: I don't know. If I don't know, that's just my feeling.

806
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 2: I'm just like, no, don't really do that. I feel

807
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,399
Speaker 2: like if you questioned it for you, yeah, see, yeah,

808
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:53,000
Speaker 2: I was just like, I'd rather just investigate and tell

809
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 2: the story. I don't feel like making them leave if

810
00:38:54,840 --> 00:38:56,279
Speaker 2: they don't want to leave. It is what it is.

811
00:38:56,440 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: So yeah, so how did you get into this field?

812
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: Because I know he said, you've been doing paranormal investigation

813
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 1: fifteen years ago, So like, what was that experience of

814
00:39:04,560 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 1: experience like, because I do feel like one of the

815
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: biggest misconceptions is there's not a lot of black people

816
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,839
Speaker 1: in this I mean they it's still white dominated. Yeah,

817
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 1: but I feel like the brownies are here in there though.

818
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I just like I said earlier, it's just

819
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 2: it was intriguing to me, and you know, I was

820
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 2: like scared of UFOs, but I was like, I'm gonna

821
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 2: learn everything about it. And then I would do a

822
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: lot of ghost tours and the first team I got

823
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: I became a part of. I did so many of

824
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 2: his ghost tours and the owner he's like, why don't

825
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: you join my team? And I was like, oh really

826
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 2: He's like he's like yeah, he's like I have he

827
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 2: has a team of like eight people. He's like, I'll

828
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,920
Speaker 2: teach you how to do everything. And I really appreciate

829
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 2: that because he said it to me like join the team,

830
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 2: and so I joined and I was able to do

831
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: investigations and use the learn how to use the equipment,

832
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: and so when I I kind of promote myself more

833
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 2: as an investigator than an intuitive medium. That's why you

834
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 2: don't really see that on the page, because I'm like, oh,

835
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 2: I've been doing investigations for years and so yeah, that's

836
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 2: really it. I You're right, there's there's not really many

837
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 2: African Americans in this field. What I've seen, unfortunately, is

838
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:15,239
Speaker 2: there are content creators, influencers that are interested in you know,

839
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: they're like, this is so cool, this is interesting, but

840
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,080
Speaker 2: I don't there's very few that have actually put in

841
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: the work.

842
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 1: And know the history.

843
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 2: Yet they know the history. They not even just the history.

844
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 2: They know how to investigate, they know how like the tools,

845
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 2: they know the safety aspect, they understand the ethics. They

846
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 2: are able to teach other people and hold actual investigations.

847
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 2: That's a rarity in this point. There is a rarity.

848
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: And someone can talk to you blue in the face

849
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: and claim that they know that they're that they're not.

850
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 2: Melissa is one. I remember I was like, oh, yeah, Melissa,

851
00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 2: she definitely is. You know, I've been following her for years.

852
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 2: She knows exactly what she's talking about. She's highly well spoken.

853
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: She's experienced another one, Marie Jackson.

854
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,520
Speaker 1: Ghostbuster, and love her. She's been on the show too.

855
00:41:03,600 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 1: They've both been on the show about two or three times.

856
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, she knows her shit, Marie and she I always

857
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,600
Speaker 2: always highlight her, Like if someone does a post and

858
00:41:11,680 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 2: they forget to mention her, I'm like, don't forget Marie.

859
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,240
Speaker 1: And that's what I love about y'all, Like y'all always

860
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 1: make sure that y'all look out for each other.

861
00:41:20,719 --> 00:41:23,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm a huge advocate because there really isn't a

862
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 2: lot that really know what they're doing, and so I

863
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:29,759
Speaker 2: always want to make that very clear because again, like

864
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,239
Speaker 2: I'm on TikTok and this, and I'm just like, oh,

865
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 2: here's another one that doesn't know what's happening. Oh here's

866
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 2: another one that doesn't. But they don't want to put

867
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 2: in the work. And there's a lot of work. And

868
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 2: I've been blessed and humbled to have gotten a lot

869
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 2: of media opportunities within the last two to three years on.

870
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 1: TV, and shit, it was and it was not easy.

871
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: And I always tell people that I'm like, They're like,

872
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,839
Speaker 2: I want to be a famous paranom person. I'm like, listen,

873
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:56,399
Speaker 2: I'm not famous here. But what I had was hard,

874
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 2: thereating the hell out of me. They really want to

875
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,799
Speaker 2: make sure this black knew what she was doing. There

876
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:03,640
Speaker 2: was one, but I don't think I've ever said this before,

877
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: but there was one production company that was interested in me,

878
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: and they interviewed me for like two hours, and they

879
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 2: were so intrigued because I think they wanted to create something.

880
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: And then they emailed my agent and they were like,

881
00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: we love her, she's too green. I was they think

882
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: you too green?

883
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:22,680
Speaker 1: From Crenshaw.

884
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 2: I was like, excuse me, and we need someone I've

885
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,160
Speaker 2: never said this before. They said, we want someone more

886
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 2: like Tyler Henry. You know that the blonde boy from

887
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 2: the Head to.

888
00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 1: Teeth, Oh, the one who'd be doing all the celebrity

889
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 1: readers and stuff.

890
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 2: We want someone more like him, someone that see with Tyler,

891
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 2: you know, we had such high ratings with him. We

892
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 2: need someone like him. We love Tony, she's too green.

893
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: And I was like, do you mean too black?

894
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 1: Right?

895
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 2: You talk to me for two hours? And so that

896
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: I just brought that up because it's just an example

897
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:58,600
Speaker 2: of what you know, as an African American investigator of paranormal,

898
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 2: you know, like what I have to deal with it

899
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:04,360
Speaker 2: and trying to break out more on a bigger platform.

900
00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:06,839
Speaker 1: So you know what's so crazy because I just had

901
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: another thought about how, you know a lot of people

902
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: don't like horror, let alone black horror, but black horror

903
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: is black history. Because pretty much there was being racist

904
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: towards you.

905
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, wow, absolutely yeah. And so the ones, and

906
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:23,279
Speaker 2: you know, to be fair, the ones that I did get,

907
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 2: like I'm in a lot of Canadian shows, I do

908
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 2: believe that they did want to utilize me, not just

909
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,239
Speaker 2: for my knowledge, but because I was different. And I

910
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 2: appreciate that because they're like, oh, this is different. This

911
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,720
Speaker 2: is not a Caucasian male going on and known about demons.

912
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 2: This exactly black woman. You know, we want diversity. Holy crap,

913
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,799
Speaker 2: she knows what she's talking about. And so I've gotten

914
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 2: a lot of projects in Canada. The Ghost Adventures was

915
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,120
Speaker 2: more of that was a big deal because that's like

916
00:43:47,239 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 2: the number.

917
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,760
Speaker 1: One Yeah, that's number one show in paranormia.

918
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, number one show. And that one was just

919
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 2: a like accident a friend of mine. They said they

920
00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,920
Speaker 2: were looking for a medium, and she suggested me and

921
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: they talked to me and they were like, wait a minute,

922
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 2: she knows her stuff too. Like I was telling him

923
00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 2: about the Poltry guy's house and what I knew about

924
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 2: it and my experience, and I could tell they were

925
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 2: just like, oh okay, Like I could say, bud how

926
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 2: and inviting me on. And I didn't think I was

927
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,279
Speaker 2: going to tour the house with Zach. I thought he

928
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: was just gonna talk to me, but no, he had

929
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 2: me come in the house with him and do an investigation.

930
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, and my friend's been like telling everybody.

931
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 2: She's like Tonie's the first black medium on the show.

932
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 2: Tony's the first black medium on the show. Thank you.

933
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 2: But it's sad that it's been on for I don't

934
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 2: know eighteen years and I am the first black medium.

935
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,400
Speaker 2: But it's a proud moment because it was It was

936
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: so cool to be able to like validate. And I

937
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: don't do a lot of mediumship stuff on TV. A

938
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 2: lot of my TV stuff is just like paranormal history.

939
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, Yo, that's so crazy because I listened to them

940
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 1: at all your interviews and you definitely never said that before. Yeah,

941
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,920
Speaker 1: that's what we pretty private.

942
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I am, but no, it felt good to

943
00:44:59,520 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 2: talk about that because you know, it is something where

944
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: I do hope that you you start, we start to

945
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: see more diversity in the field, you know, behind the

946
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,640
Speaker 2: camera in front of the camera. But I really wanted

947
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: to be the right people. I really wanted to that

948
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 2: really put in that work and that really know what

949
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 2: they're talking about.

950
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm just also thinking about I couldn't couldn't

951
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:24,040
Speaker 1: even imagine how you feel like it kind of feels

952
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: like you pressure to perform or prove that you know

953
00:45:26,480 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 1: what you're doing.

954
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 2: That's how the interviews. That's kind of what I mean.

955
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 2: When I'm in I'm like interrogated. That's the way the

956
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:35,719
Speaker 2: interviews come off. Everything I've gotten, it's like interrogation, interrogation,

957
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:37,800
Speaker 2: but it's like pressure, pressure, like what do you know?

958
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 2: And so it makes me want to know, not one,

959
00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: it's it's you know what, I don't even really need

960
00:45:43,560 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: to try hard because I'm lucky to where I am

961
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: a sort of fight spiritual teacher. You know, I am

962
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 2: a sort of fight into it a medium. I am

963
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 2: able to just be myself. Yeah, so you really did

964
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: all that I'm like, yeah, that's why the whole like

965
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 2: we love her, she's green. I was like, I literally

966
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 2: what how I just you know, and so it's I

967
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:06,959
Speaker 2: I held on to that and people were like don't.

968
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:10,360
Speaker 2: I was just like it was so offensive because you

969
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:12,480
Speaker 2: could see how intrigued they were and everything that I

970
00:46:12,560 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: shared with them and everything that they learned in that

971
00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:19,920
Speaker 2: one meeting. Yet they want Tyler Henry Yes to tell

972
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 2: you about them.

973
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:23,320
Speaker 1: And I think also the media plays a part in

974
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: that too, because with the media, we don't see us

975
00:46:26,640 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: on TV like the like we just started seeing niggas

976
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: on TV when it comes to paranorial activity and stuff

977
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: like that. And I just think sometimes, like, you know,

978
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: thank God for Jordan Peeling all these other people. But

979
00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: I'm just like, damn, like, do you feel like they

980
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,600
Speaker 1: get anything right as of now, because I feel like

981
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,680
Speaker 1: we Horror has been around for a long time and

982
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,560
Speaker 1: we just now starting to become the main character. Yeah,

983
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:46,919
Speaker 1: the final girl.

984
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think, like you know what, I love the

985
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 2: new what do you call it? The Okay? I love

986
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 2: get Out. Yeah. I wouldn't say it's like paranormal will

987
00:46:57,000 --> 00:47:00,239
Speaker 2: kind of supernat for you. I love get Out us

988
00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: was okay, like us, it was it was, it was okay.

989
00:47:05,960 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: I liked the writing because it was different. The writing

990
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: was different. I was like, this is interesting. But it

991
00:47:12,120 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 2: was also really really creepy, which I'm sure that's what

992
00:47:14,280 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 2: he was going for. So I'm an idiot, but it

993
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:17,479
Speaker 2: was really really great.

994
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 1: It's low key true too, because there are people who

995
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:20,320
Speaker 1: live on the ground.

996
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 2: I've heard that, Yeah, that's what I've never liked research,

997
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 2: but I've heard that that. Yeah, but no that. And

998
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 2: then there was a comedy one that just came out,

999
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:32,920
Speaker 2: The Blackened. Oh that was the Ear of the Blackening.

1000
00:47:33,160 --> 00:47:36,040
Speaker 2: I didn't like the it was it was funny, but

1001
00:47:36,160 --> 00:47:38,759
Speaker 2: I understand, like I remember leaving and I was like,

1002
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 2: that was funny, but something was missing or I don't

1003
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: know what it was.

1004
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: Something it didn't tie all together for me.

1005
00:47:44,200 --> 00:47:47,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I totally get that. But no, I'm

1006
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 2: and then I know they just created the movie Deliverance,

1007
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:54,000
Speaker 2: and so I think they're trying. They're they're trying. I

1008
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 2: just feel like there needs to be more people that

1009
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:01,080
Speaker 2: actually want to see it happen. Was good, I've heard.

1010
00:48:01,120 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: I didn't see that one.

1011
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 1: I heard it was Goodchise too.

1012
00:48:05,040 --> 00:48:09,320
Speaker 2: I should probably watch that. But I feel like media

1013
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: is trying to incorporate more African Americans. I see it

1014
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 2: in horror. I'd like to see it in paranormal. This

1015
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 2: is another thing I don't really talk about. There was

1016
00:48:17,360 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 2: one major I can tell you off one one major

1017
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 2: production company that was really interested in me. They were

1018
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,759
Speaker 2: really they wanted to do African American you know, paranormal,

1019
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:31,280
Speaker 2: probably unscripted. It was very early, but they were so interested.

1020
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 2: And then see it just kind of was like do

1021
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 2: do do fell off? Oh we're focusing on something white?

1022
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,320
Speaker 2: You know. They never And I'm just like, you just

1023
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 2: need people that really want to make this come to

1024
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 2: fruition because they see the talent, they see the potential,

1025
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: they see that thing. Times are changing. They're trying to

1026
00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 2: be bring more diversity, whether it be horror or paranormal.

1027
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 2: And I always tell my friend, I'm just like, I

1028
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 2: just wish that there were people that were taking it

1029
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 2: more seriously. That's all I want. Producers and these like

1030
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:59,080
Speaker 2: Discovery Channel or like, they need to take it more

1031
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: seriously where people want to see something different. They no,

1032
00:49:03,239 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 2: that's a fact.

1033
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: And I think that when it comes to you Melissa

1034
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:07,880
Speaker 1: Maria I feel like y'all all look different, y'all have

1035
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: different backgrounds, and I think that's the beauty of what

1036
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: y'all do, because I feel like people need to see

1037
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: themselves and certain things. Because I love scary movies so

1038
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:17,400
Speaker 1: much that I didn't even know that I could have

1039
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,800
Speaker 1: been a black film horror historian. Like my guest that

1040
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,920
Speaker 1: I interview, I can't think of her name, but I

1041
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 1: definitely had. That was a really good conversation and very informative.

1042
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:27,160
Speaker 1: So I'm just like, I wish that I would have

1043
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: seen y'all when I was growing up, because who knows.

1044
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,600
Speaker 1: I'm looking for some ghosts too.

1045
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: That's another thing, you know, When I tell people, I'm like, listen,

1046
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be famous. So what I what

1047
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:40,840
Speaker 2: I like is being able to inspire others that I

1048
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 2: like the little things I've been able to do. Whether

1049
00:49:43,200 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 2: I'm traveling, people are like, oh my god, like I've

1050
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: never seen a black medium or a black whatever, and

1051
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: I'm just like, on that that means a lot to me.

1052
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 2: I'm actually very private. I'm usually very introverted, you know,

1053
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 2: but when it comes to speaking or doing anything paranormal

1054
00:49:59,120 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: or talking about this, I'm very passionate about it, and

1055
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: so I'm like, not on any fame, I just would

1056
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,720
Speaker 2: like to inspire others and teach others about this field

1057
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,160
Speaker 2: to where there's certain aspects about it where they're not

1058
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 2: absolutely terrified and they realize like, Okay, it's about learning

1059
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:17,320
Speaker 2: more about history or learning more about the UFOs or

1060
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 2: whatever cryptis, you know, learning more about that to understanding it.

1061
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: Because as of right now, the black community softening to it,

1062
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: but they're not one hundred percent opening to it. Yeah,

1063
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: and I feel like I hope that there's somebody that's

1064
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,560
Speaker 2: able to kind of like open that door whatever.

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Speaker 1: That may be. Well, I think that black community is

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Speaker 1: also starting to be more receptive towards it is because

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Speaker 1: it's started to become more relatable. Yes, yeah, yeah, because

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Speaker 1: I think like niggas, they don't like all that that

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Speaker 1: slash and shit like or monsters and stuff, but I

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Speaker 1: think when it's something psychological, I think that's what grabs

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Speaker 1: their attention, like oh shit, like this really does this

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Speaker 1: really can't happen because it happened to me in this

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Speaker 1: way metaphorically and stuff like that. So this concludes part

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Speaker 1: one of this week's episode, Part two, where we dropping

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Speaker 1: next week, same time, same place, But in the meantime,

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Speaker 1: email me a hello at thepsgpodcast dot com and tell

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Speaker 1: me what you think about this week's episode. I thought

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Speaker 1: this was so good, and also let me know what

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Speaker 1: y'all think about the Spooky series. Y'all really loved the

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Speaker 1: conversation with Dominick Morrow, so hit me up, leave a

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Speaker 1: and until next time, everyone later. Pretty Private is a

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